Dwight Howard may be resisting a trade to the Bulls

[insidehoops]

The Magic and Bulls might have had a Dwight Howard deal, but Howard is reportedly not willing to commit long-term to Chicago, thus killing the deal.

Or so says this report:

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9399

[Sarcastic]

I thought it was Adidas that was holding it back.

[chips93]

honest question jeff, but do other reporters mind you making a report off of somebody else's report?

i know that you cite berger as a source, but still, does it not irritate berger in this case that you dont just link to his article, since there isnt anything in yours that isnt in the cbs article?

just wonderin'

[insidehoops]

honest question jeff, but do other reporters mind you making a report off of somebody else's report?

If they get credited and linked, it just sends more people to their own report than would normally read it otherwise.

So, nope. It helps them.

[Gory Lobotomist]

according to that source, The Bulls would only give up deng boozer and asik for Howard and Terk? is Dengs stock that high right now? I am a bulls fan who feels that deal is to good to be true.

[1rkrage]

according to that source, The Bulls would only give up deng boozer and asik for Howard and Terk? is Dengs stock that high right now? I am a bulls fan who feels that deal is to good to be true.
If we include THE WHITE MAMBA we're way overpaying. :pimp:

[HylianNightmare]

glad that didn't happen, i want nothing to do with boozer's long ass contract

[SpecialQue]

I don't get why Howard wouldn't commit to this. What does he want? If he wants rings, a Rose/Howard combo is fvcking scary. Is Chicago not a big enough media market for this guy? Is he too busy wanting to be Deron's butt-buddy that he won't go anywhere unless he signs as well? I don't even like the Bulls, but the idea of Rose and Howard on the same team is making me squirt.

As with the Melo-drama, the most this shit drags on, the less I like Howard.

[Shepseskaf]

I don't get why Howard wouldn't commit to this. What does he want?
He wants to be The Man, and that wouldn't happen on a team with Rose.

[Gory Lobotomist]

If we include THE WHITE MAMBA we're way overpaying. :pimp:
He is out of the question all together! maybe THE Mamba himself for Howard straight up...

[SpecialQue]

He wants to be The Man, and that wouldn't happen on a team with Rose.

Pathetic. Does he really think he'd be "the man" in Dallas? Or Brooklyn? Or practically anywhere that ISN'T Orlando?

[miles berg]

I don't get why Howard wouldn't commit to this. What does he want? If he wants rings, a Rose/Howard combo is fvcking scary. Is Chicago not a big enough media market for this guy? Is he too busy wanting to be Deron's butt-buddy that he won't go anywhere unless he signs as well? I don't even like the Bulls, but the idea of Rose and Howard on the same team is making me squirt.

As with the Melo-drama, the most this shit drags on, the less I like Howard.

Adidas won't allow Howard to sign there long term due to DRose already having that market. They are Adidas top 2 guys.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't get why Howard wouldn't commit to this. What does he want? If he wants rings, a Rose/Howard combo is fvcking scary. Is Chicago not a big enough media market for this guy? Is he too busy wanting to be Deron's butt-buddy that he won't go anywhere unless he signs as well? I don't even like the Bulls, but the idea of Rose and Howard on the same team is making me squirt.

As with the Melo-drama, the most this shit drags on, the less I like Howard.
He can't be the biggest star, and that seems to b important to him.

[Gory Lobotomist]

He wants to be The Man, and that wouldn't happen on a team with Rose.
He should stay in Orlando then. Because to win rings he will always share the glory with another guy. Dwight has had descent teams and couldn't quite get it done. Dwight will be with a big name star in EVERY large market team. The Nets would still be DW and Howard, and Derron is top 3 PG.

[Gory Lobotomist]

Pathetic. Does he really think he'd be "the man" in Dallas? Or Brooklyn? Or practically anywhere that ISN'T Orlando?
Exactly my thought

[Real Men Wear Green]

Adidas won't allow Howard to sign there long term due to DRose already having that market. They are Adidas top 2 guys.
Possibly true but if Chi has his Bird rights that's another 30 mil, right? Is the Adidas difference bigger than that? Nike didn't keep Wade and James apart.

[DuMa]

Orlando so dumb. Boozer? :facepalm

[ballinhun8]

I thought it was common knowledge that he didn't wanna come.



Whatever, I think most Bulls fans have moved on from a possibility of Howard coming here. We waited 10 years for a superstar, we got ours, Howard can be the star wherever he wants to go.

[Gory Lobotomist]

Orlando so dumb. Boozer? :facepalm
Boozer has been playing good this year. His numbers and out put are the best they have been in Chicago. They are pretty close to Utah days.

[GOBB]

Adidas won't allow Howard to sign there long term due to DRose already having that market. They are Adidas top 2 guys.

Addidas has zero say. Get out of here.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He could also be put off by Rose's apparent apathy (maybe even antipathy).

[Pharcyde]

He could also be put off by Rose's apparent apathy (maybe even antipathy).

He's made it kind of obvious that he just doesn't like Chicago. He always talks about how bad the weather is so obviously he cares more about weather then being on a great team.

[Shepseskaf]

He should stay in Orlando then.
That's what I've said all along, and its probably what's going to happen.

DHo will lose millions of dollars by not staying in Orlando. His parents don't want him to move, and he likes living there.

Plus, he hasn't articulated any coherent reason on why he wants to leave. He's just an indecisive goofball.... or maybe he wants to get away from his baby mamma. Who knows?

[97 bulls]

He's made it kind of obvious that he just doesn't like Chicago. He always talks about how bad the weather is so obviously he cares more about weather then being on a great team.
But then why would he be willing to go to new Jersey?

[hawkfan]

That's what I've said all along, and its probably what's going to happen.

DHo will lose millions of dollars by not staying in Orlando. His parents don't want him to move, and he likes living there.

Plus, he hasn't articulated any coherent reason on why he wants to leave. He's just an indecisive goofball.... or maybe he wants to get away from his baby mamma. Who knows?

He doesn't have a 2nd guy - a Pippen, Gasol kind of guy.

If he goes to NJ soon to be NY, he has Deron Williams.

Boston would be another great place - Rondo would be his 2nd guy. Plus he has much higher expectations, which would make him a better player.

He's kind of lazy right now on the offensive side - his low post game should be way, way better than it is.

[Lebron23]

He's an idiot. His main goal should be to win a championship.. DH is a better player than Rose. He's gonna be the no.1 guy in Chicago.

[imdaman99]

I thought it was common knowledge that he didn't wanna come.



Whatever, I think most Bulls fans have moved on from a possibility of Howard coming here. We waited 10 years for a superstar, we got ours, Howard can be the star wherever he wants to go.
omg props to you for waiting so patiently and miserably for a star for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong 10 years,
after 6 championships :bowdown:

[1rkrage]

omg props to you for waiting so patiently and miserably for a star for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong 10 years,
after 6 championships :bowdown:


I don't think a Knicks fan should be saying this :no:


The Bulls org. also had tragic events such as the Jay Williams thing happen.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's an idiot. His main goal should be to win a championship.. DH is a better player than Rose. He's gonna be the no.1 guy in Chicago.
He's overall the better player but Rose is the better offensive player and the hometown hero. He could never eclipse Rose's popularity in Chicago.

[imdaman99]

I don't think a Knicks fan should be saying this :no:


The Bulls org. also had tragic events such as the Jay Williams thing happen.
i would trade all my friends for 1 nba championship. meanwhile you bulls fans have 6...unless you weren't around for them. maybe the guy is 15 years old and wasn't around for that. so i guess i feel his pain

[wally_world]

Wow im surprised Noah's not in the deal

[NBA2k-Monster23]

The main reason is Dwight want his own not one with a big name star like Kobe or Rose he just want him. That's the main reason why he don't want to go the Lakers, Bulls , or OKC. He wants to go to Nets because it would just be him and Deron Williams. The Nets will still get the short end of the stick because they are going to have to give up everybody just to get Dwight. So if that's what he wants give it to him.

[step_back]

I've no idea what Dwight wants anymore. The fact that Chicago isn't really having to gut the team in order to get him makes no sense. The deal doesn't even include Noah. We could move him for a decent 2 guard like Ray Allen who would help spread the floor for Dwight.

He also doesn't seem fussed about going to the Lakers and playing with Kobe. What Big man wouldn't want to play with him?

Dwight should just stay in Orlando.

[Reverend Hoops]

I don't get why Howard wouldn't commit to this. What does he want? If he wants rings, a Rose/Howard combo is fvcking scary.

Rose would not make Dwight better. Deron would. Boozer would still be a 21-12 with Deron. Deron is a better passer/distributor.

Not to mention Otis Smith would be fired right after he made this deal. Boozer/Deng for Dwight?

[themurph]

Rose would not make Dwight better. Deron would. Boozer would still be a 21-12 with Deron. Deron is a better passer/distributor.


Bullsh*t.....

[Sarcastic]

I've no idea what Dwight wants anymore. The fact that Chicago isn't really having to gut the team in order to get him makes no sense. The deal doesn't even include Noah. We could move him for a decent 2 guard like Ray Allen who would help spread the floor for Dwight.

He also doesn't seem fussed about going to the Lakers and playing with Kobe. What Big man wouldn't want to play with him?

Dwight should just stay in Orlando.

Pretty sure he has said he wants Brooklyn.

[DuMa]

Rose would not make Dwight better. Deron would. Boozer would still be a 21-12 with Deron. Deron is a better passer/distributor.

Not to mention Otis Smith would be fired right after he made this deal. Boozer/Deng for Dwight?
deron is the whole reason why boozer got that fat contract.

[TheMan]

Rose would not make Dwight better. Deron would. Boozer would still be a 21-12 with Deron. Deron is a better passer/distributor.

Not to mention Otis Smith would be fired right after he made this deal. Boozer/Deng for Dwight?
This makes no sense, how hard would it be for Rose to feed D12 in the post or throw him some alley oops:facepalm

I could do that:lol

A line up of

PG Rose
SG Rip
SF Turk
PF Gibson
C Howard

would be pretty sick

[Kblaze8855]

While hes no Red or Jerry West...I wouldnt count on Otis Smith being that stupid.

[step_back]

Pretty sure he has said he wants Brooklyn.

He also said he wants to win.

Nets would have to get rid of everyone and anyone that isn't Deron to get him. Sure they will be a good 1-2 punch but they won't be getting past the elite teams in the east.

[nba_55]

Bad trade for Orlando.
Deng is good but overrated.
Boozer :lol
The only good thing for them in this trade is the Charlotte pick.
They need to ask for Noah.

[Tenchi Ryu]

I'll just quote myself from last night when the story broke

So going by this report and solely the report, it seems the ONLY thing keeping Howard from being a Bull is Howard himself. Apparently, they seem to like our package the best, and it IS the best if you included Deng, Gibson, Asik and some picks, no other trade in the league has a deal that good, makes sense Orlando wanted it.

But I'm glad the Bulls GM's basically cut the deal, especially with Howard and his attitude about this being all indecisive. All that "Rose is my bro" crap is just that, crap. He's made it pretty clear he does not want to be here, and if that's the case, fukk him.

[nba_55]

It s good that Dwight doesnt want to come to Chicago because that trade would make it very tough for us to beat them.

[Rose]

Otis Smith wanting Boozer over Noah.:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpecialQue]

Dwight's an idiot.

Just wanted to repeat that.

[I<3NBA]

Dwight wants a PG that will pass to him. Not a PG that would hog the ball. end of story.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Dwight wants a PG that will pass to him. Not a PG that would hog the ball. end of story.
Too bad Bulls are the number one team in the league in Assist...you know, NOT hogging the Ball...

/idiot

[Whoah10115]

That's a terrible deal for Orlando, even if it's Gibson instead of Boozer...no Noah?


At least with Noah, he could play PF while Asik plays C and Deng at the 3...with draft picks and them taking back Turkoglu, that's good.



Carlos Boozer I won't even taker seriously. But if the Bulls don't wanna send away both Deng and Noah (for chemistry reasons), I get it...but I don't see the great value for Orlando...tho then again, Noah makes a lot of money.

[Tenchi Ryu]

That would be almost unstoppable though

Rose
Rip
Turk
Noah
Howard

That's possibly the best front court in the league.

[Whoah10115]

That would be almost unstoppable though

Rose
Rip
Turk
Noah
Howard

That's possibly the best front court in the league.



Turkoglu would be a good compliment to Rose on the ball-handling and playmaking side.




I'd rather trade Noah than trade Deng. Deng is better and Noah next to Howard isn't necessary. In that case Turk could play the point 4 and help spread the floor, which works with Dwight. He rebounds and defends everything anyway.

[guy]

Adidas won't allow Howard to sign there long term due to DRose already having that market. They are Adidas top 2 guys.

Pretty sure adidas already shot that rumor down.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Turkoglu would be a good compliment to Rose on the ball-handling and playmaking side.




I'd rather trade Noah than trade Deng. Deng is better and Noah next to Howard isn't necessary. In that case Turk could play the point 4 and help spread the floor, which works with Dwight. He rebounds and defends everything anyway.
Yea I would keep Deng too, but it seems Orlando was hell bent on making sure Deng was in the trade. What I find odd is that they wanted Boozer over Noah.

[zizozain]

Lebron prostitutes don't like this trade ... lol

[Tenchi Ryu]

Pretty sure adidas already shot that rumor down.
They even said that would produce BETTER results marketing them together...

You'd have Adidas Chicago Bulls shoe commercials all over the place.

[guy]

They even said that would produce BETTER results marketing them together...

You'd have Adidas Chicago Bulls shoe commercials all over the place.

Yup. I'm pretty sure even with Rose, Chicago is still probably dominated by the Jordan brand. Maybe with their 2 top players with adidas it would be different though.

[Pharcyde]

Rose would not make Dwight better. Deron would. Boozer would still be a 21-12 with Deron. Deron is a better passer/distributor.

Not to mention Otis Smith would be fired right after he made this deal. Boozer/Deng for Dwight?
Boozer would be on the Bulls if he played the same minutes as he did in Utah too.....
Rose and Howard > D will and Howard

Edit: Boozer averaged 21 and 12 TWICE in Utah with Deron. Since then his numbers have been pretty much the same as they are now.

[Mr. Incredible]

How Otis Smith still has a job is beyond me.

He's one of the worst general managers I've ever seen.

[Pharcyde]

But then why would he be willing to go to new Jersey?

I suppose personal preference.

[LABean]

Refusing to go to Shitcago. :applause:
And here I thought he was an idiot. Very smart move. :applause:

[I<3NBA]

Too bad Bulls are the number one team in the league in Assist...you know, NOT hogging the Ball...

/idiot
did i say Dwight wants a TEAM to pass him the ball or did i say PG? yeah, those assists numbers were because of Rose :facepalm

you better believe it that if Dwight comes to Chicago, he will rot in that post and Rose won't pass to him. isn't that why Dwight wants to leave Orlando? because the only guy who consistently feeds him is Turkoglu. everyone else would rather jack a 3 and then watch him work the boards.

that's why he wants to play with Deron. Dwight has never had a pass-first PG to play with.

[(e)]

If Chicago pulled that off, that could easily mean multiple championships. Best PG and best C in the league together. Add the pieces of RIP, Noah, Turk and Gibson and good luck to the rest of the league.

[Tenchi Ryu]

How Otis Smith still has a job is beyond me.

He's one of the worst general managers I've ever seen.
Its not his fault, their desperate. Doesn't help when Bynum has been inconsistent all season, and Lopez refuses to stay healthy. What other options they had beside Chicago? The fact they are the #1 team in the east, and Otis would be taking Key pieces of that #1 team helps.

[GOBB]

I dont believe the pieces being offered/asked for (Bulls). But I do believe Dwight Howard has no desire to sign an extension in Chicago if he were dealt there.

[dunksby]

Orlando wants to trade the best center in the league for a jump shooting PF? They dont want Noah in return? :wtf:

[Mr. Incredible]

If Chicago pulled that off, that could easily mean multiple championships. Best PG and best C in the league together. Add the pieces of RIP, Noah, Turk and Gibson and good luck to the rest of the league.Unfortunately for Bulls fans, it's not going to happen.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

if Chi is giving all that what do they have remaining?

[Tenchi Ryu]

did i say Dwight wants a TEAM to pass him the ball or did i say PG? yeah, those assists numbers were because of Rose :facepalm

you better believe it that if Diwght comes to Chicago, he will rot in that post and Rose won't pass to him. isn't that why Dwight wants to leave Orlando? because the only guy who consistently feeds him is Turkoglu. everyone else would rather jack a 3 and then watch him work the boards.
So is that why Noah is a double double machine and had a triple double a few weeks ago? Add the fact he and Rose have the strongest chemistry out of any Bulls players, the way a PG and C should.

If that's rotting, let me get in the league and Rot. And get paid.

["Jesus"]

Forget this dude. If he comes, he comes. Bulls are still fine without this chump. Make up your mind, princess.

[Pharcyde]

did i say Dwight wants a TEAM to pass him the ball or did i say PG? yeah, those assists numbers were because of Rose :facepalm

you better believe it that if Dwight comes to Chicago, he will rot in that post and Rose won't pass to him. isn't that why Dwight wants to leave Orlando? because the only guy who consistently feeds him is Turkoglu. everyone else would rather jack a 3 and then watch him work the boards.

The Bulls are #1 in assists and Rose averages 8 assists a game (would be closer to 9 or more with Howard). Your opinion is complete shit.

[Mr. Incredible]

Forget this dude. If he comes, he comes. Bulls are still fine without this chump. Make up your mind, princess.My thoughts exactly. The Bulls are a great team with amazing chemistry. Why do they need to shake things up?

[Dbrog]

Its not his fault, their desperate. Doesn't help when Bynum has been inconsistent all season, and Lopez refuses to stay healthy. What other options they had beside Chicago? The fact they are the #1 team in the east, and Otis would be taking Key pieces of that #1 team helps.

I don't understand how Orlando wouldn't go for Bynum rather than this. I mean, would anyone here seriously take Booz/Deng over Bynum? :lol

[Tenchi Ryu]

if Chi is giving all that what do they have remaining?

Rose
Rip
Brewer
Korver
Noah
Gibson
Lucas
Watson
Scalabrine
Butler

Don't really lose much at all really

[Tenchi Ryu]

I don't understand how Orlando wouldn't go for Bynum rather than this. I mean, would anyone here seriously take Booz/Deng over Bynum? :lol
Booz, Deng, Asik and that charlotte pick I believe.

That's a better deal than Bynum

[MMM]

Booz, Deng, Asik and that charlotte pick I believe.

That's a better deal than Bynum

not from a cap stand point

[GOBB]

Booz, Deng, Asik and that charlotte pick I believe.

That's a better deal than Bynum

Sorry, I'd take Bynum over that package anyday. Get a clue

[Pharcyde]

Sorry, I'd take Bynum over that package anyday. Get a clue
Doesn't mean Orlando would.

[Dbrog]

Booz, Deng, Asik and that charlotte pick I believe.

That's a better deal than Bynum

Not really. That pick is protected for quite a while. You might as well say Lakers throw in their 2018 pick or something (which would be around when Kobe retires). This deal is basically Deng and Asik for Dwight cause Boozer is def not long term. Honestly, I'de rather take my chances w/ free agency and hope to land a couple ppl than take this trade. Bynum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.

[Tenchi Ryu]

. Bynum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
No, Bynum's potential is this, but Bynum this season hasn't been and has been below expectations. Basically, taking in Bynum would be taking the risk of whether or not he pans out. And it seems Orlando didn't want to take the risk, and go with consistency.

[Pharcyde]

Just so people know this is what the Charlotte pick is believed to look like (it was never actually released, at least it wasn't a few months ago): top 14 protected in 2012, top 12 protected in 2013, top 10 protected in 2014, top 8 protected in 2015, unprotected in 2016.

[JustinJDW]

Can't believe the we're going to watch a superstar leave a 50-win team.

We're going to have the best C and PG in the league on one team.

And the best SG and SF on another.

This is not good for the league gentleman. :facepalm

[FireDavidKahn]

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[Tenchi Ryu]

Howard is such a clown.:oldlol: :violin:
If this is true
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Dbrog]

No, Bynum's potential is this, but Bynum this season hasn't been and has been below expectations. Basically, taking in Bynum would be taking the risk of whether or not he pans out. And it seems Orlando didn't want to take the risk, and go with consistency.

Honestly, he's past this point. While he is not at his peak yet, it's not like he's producing $hit numbers. He's averaging 17/12.5/2! Even his "offgames" he gets around 14/8/1 (still better than almost all the centers in the league)...hardly what I would call inconsistent. Especially when his big games look almost identical to Dwights (which is saying a lot).

[GOBB]

Doesn't mean Orlando would.

Who knows what Orlando will do? No one. Not me, not you. So what are we left with? Oh, arguing what package we feel is better. Bynum > Bulls "reported" package. :confusedshrug:

Why wouldnt Orlando welcome back a young big man prospect who isnt the defender Dwight is, but is a much better offensive player than Dwight? If anything L.A would be the one reluctant to make a deal if they love Bynum. Yeah Orlando wouldnt want Bynum, they'd love f*cking Carlos Boozer and a backup Asik. GTFOH

[Pharcyde]

Honestly, he's past this point. While he is not at his peak yet, it's not like he's producing $hit numbers. He's averaging 17/12.5/2! Even his "offgames" he gets around 14/8/1 (still better than almost all the centers in the league)...hardly what I would call inconsistent. Especially when his big games look almost identical to Dwights (which is saying a lot).

The thing is a the Lakers will not give up Pau Gasol which is the only way Orlando can give up Turk. I know Deng and Booz both have long deals with the same amount of money but both players are significantly better then Turkoglu and Asik is very high on other teams desired players list (Golden State, Cleveland and Houston to name some).
It is possible that Orlando also does not like Bynum's unreliable knees. Booz and Deng have been injured, but not in the same exact area every single time.



Who knows what Orlando will do? No one. Not me, not you. So what are we left with? Oh, arguing what package we feel is better. Bynum > Bulls "reported" package. :confusedshrug:

Why wouldnt Orlando welcome back a young big man prospect who isnt the defender Dwight is, but is a much better offensive player than Dwight? If anything L.A would be the one reluctant to make a deal if they love Bynum. Yeah Orlando wouldnt want Bynum, they'd love f*cking Carlos Boozer and a backup Asik. GTFOH
Just answered part of your post above. And yes, we do know what Orlando wants. There has been multiple reports saying they want Pau AND Bynum. If they just wanted Bynum that trade would have happened already. Get with the program GOBB.

[Dbrog]

That's all good and fine but Orlando will suck very badly if they pick Deng over Bynum. Who knows, maybe that's their plan. Maybe they want to start tanking. Just saying, it's an absolutely awful deal for Orlando...everything Gobb is saying is correct. You have to be out of your mind to take the Bulls package. :confusedshrug:

[Pharcyde]

That's all good and fine but Orlando will suck very badly if they pick Deng over Bynum. Who knows, maybe that's their plan. Maybe they want to start tanking. Just saying, it's an absolutely awful deal for Orlando...everything Gobb is saying is correct. You have to be out of your mind to take the Bulls package. :confusedshrug:

They would suck very badly when Bynum inevitably has another knee injury too.

[Tenchi Ryu]

That's all good and fine but Orlando will suck very badly if they pick Deng over Bynum. Who knows, maybe that's their plan. Maybe they want to start tanking. Just saying, it's an absolutely awful deal for Orlando...everything Gobb is saying is correct. You have to be out of your mind to take the Bulls package. :confusedshrug:
Not if you're someone who's thinking about Bynum's legs...which I'm sure Orlando has. They've had a the benefit of having a C who's been in pretty good health during his time there. With Bynum, I'm sure they've taken notice to his injury problems, like Pharcyde said, in the SAME KNEE. We aren't even guaranteed we'll have Bynum for 5-10 more years honestly.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

The thing is a the Lakers will not give up Pau Gasol which is the only way Orlando can give up Turk. I know Deng and Booz both have long deals with the same amount of money but both players are significantly better then Turkoglu and Asik is very high on other teams desired players list (Golden State, Cleveland and Houston to name some).
It is possible that Orlando also does not like Bynum's unreliable knees. Booz and Deng have been injured, but not in the same exact area every single time.



Just answered part of your post above. And yes, we do know what Orlando wants. There has been multiple reports saying they want Pau AND Bynum. If they just wanted Bynum that trade would have happened already. Get with the program GOBB.
I think in the beginning they wanted Gasol & Bynum, but with the trade deadline a few days away and Bynum progressing as the season progresses? I would think they'd be glad with getting Bynum in exchange for Howard by now. I really just think Howard refuses to sign an extension with the Lakers. Only explanation. Either that or Otis is not trading Dwight and taking a gamble.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Not if you're someone who's thinking about Bynum's legs...which I'm sure Orlando has. They've had a the benefit of having a C who's been in pretty good health during his time there. With Bynum, I'm sure they've taken notice to his injury problems, like Pharcyde said, in the SAME KNEE. We aren't even guaranteed we'll have Bynum for 5-10 more years honestly.
If Bynum is available you have to make the trade if you are the Magic. You just have to. After that you have a couple options. You see how he does next season before you give him an extension all the while fielding trade offers for him.

[BlackVVaves]

Its not his fault, their desperate. Doesn't help when Bynum has been inconsistent all season, and Lopez refuses to stay healthy. What other options they had beside Chicago? The fact they are the #1 team in the east, and Otis would be taking Key pieces of that #1 team helps.

Bynum is having his best season BY FAR as a pro, and is the clear cut best center out of the west, best center in the LEAGUE after Dwight. What are talking about?

[Tenchi Ryu]

Bynum is having his best season BY FAR as a pro, and is the clear cut best center out of the west, best center in the LEAGUE after Dwight. What are talking about?
He's been inconsistent. He's had games where he shows potential of being better than Dwight, then other games where he's a complete liability to the Lakers, even having Laker fans calling him a bum.

[GOBB]

They would suck very badly when Bynum inevitably has another knee injury too.

And they will suck with a a healthy Boozer whose matador defense gets exposed and there is no one/team to protect him. Give me a f*cking break, how dare you prop up the Bulls package over Andruw Bynum who you probably could argue is as good as Dwight Howard RIGHT NOW. Offensively? He takes #2's all over Howards lawn! No curb. Bynum is giving you 12rpg. Thats 3rd best in the NBA behind Howard and Love. He's blocking 2 shots a game. Good enough for top 5 in the league.

So Bynum is offensively more skilled/polished than Howard will ever be.
So Bynum ranks 3rd in rebounding, 5th in blocks.
So Bynum is 24yrs old.

You get all of this and you have the NERVE, THE NERVE to talk about Bynums knees and ignore Carlos friggin Boozer? The 30yrs old who has x amount of years on a deal he wont live up too? A guy that a majority of Bulls fans pray to night gets traded just in general (not talkin Howard either). Get your sh!t and get out of this f*cking thread! :roll:

You're absolutely nuts. Did you see what Bynum did yesterday?

Look I'm not the Orlando GM, no one on this board is. So dont shovel your BULLshyt to us as your way of trying to sell me on Boozer in attempts to get Dwight Howard. When in reality, deep down inside you are laughing at the notion that the Bulls can keep Noah and get rid of CARLOS FRIGGIN BOOZER for Dwight Howard. I know I know, Asik/Deng is involved. But I'm not EATING Boozer for nothing. So enugh of this you wont speak on what Boozer really is because you dont want to ruin a potential deal. No one is a GM here, Gms arent gonna read this thread and have 2nd thoughts on a proposed deals being discussed.

Cut it out.

Give me the young big man in Bynum while you keep preaching about his "knees". Ok? I'll worry about his knees and you keep Carlos friggin Boozer, the man who dyes his hair JET BLACK lookin like a total herb.

And no Boozer is no scrub, worthless player. But when you are talkin Bynum or Bulls package where Boozer is involved? Wake up and smell the folgers. :no:

[GOBB]

He's been inconsistent. He's had games where he shows potential of being better than Dwight, then other games where he's a complete liability to the Lakers, even having Laker fans calling him a bum.

You're stupid. I said this in the Irving thread where you made a retarded claim. I'm saying it once again. You keep posting stupid stuff.

[Tenchi Ryu]

You're stupid. I said this in the Irving thread where you made a retarded claim. I'm saying it once again. You keep posting stupid stuff.
I've never posted in a Irving thread
What Irving thread
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[BlackVVaves]

He's been inconsistent. He's had games where he shows potential of being better than Dwight, then other games where he's a complete liability to the Lakers, even having Laker fans calling him a bum.

It's called having a BAD GAME. You know, like when Dwight goes a whole game with only 6 points? Or even better, when Noah puts up single digit rebounds and points?

Inconsistent? Carlos Boozer is inconsistent. Bynum isn't even near his prime yet and is putting up 17 and 12, playing with Pau Gasol and Kobe ****ing Bryant.

I used to consider you a high quality poster. But lately you've been saying some outlandish things.

[GOBB]

I've never posted in a Irving thread
What Irving thread
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Aologies, I take that back. I got you confused (after checking) with "tikay0" the Bulls poster.

[Tenchi Ryu]

It's called having a BAD GAME. You know, like when Dwight goes a whole game with only 6 points? Or even better, when Noah puts up single digit rebounds and points?

Inconsistent? Carlos Boozer is inconsistent. Bynum isn't even near his prime yet and is putting up 17 and 12, playing with Pau Gasol and Kobe ****ing Bryant.

I used to consider you a high quality poster. But lately you've been saying some outlandish things.
He's had a Couple bad games...more than enough. What keeps his averages so high is that after getting out of a slump, he'll have a number of VERY good games, so it balances out. But don't act like we haven't seen Laker fans on here shitting on Bynum for what they consider a bad performance, and this has been an occasional thing til recently. We just had a "Kobe is carrying scrubs" movement a few weeks ago.

[TheMan]

If Bynum is as good as you say, why would the Lakers trade him, why not try and cover other weaknesses since the C position in LA is so good:confusedshrug:

And they will suck with a a healthy Boozer whose matador defense gets exposed and there is no one/team to protect him. Give me a f*cking break, how dare you prop up the Bulls package over Andruw Bynum who you probably could argue is as good as Dwight Howard RIGHT NOW. Offensively? He takes #2's all over Howards lawn! No curb. Bynum is giving you 12rpg. Thats 3rd best in the NBA behind Howard and Love. He's blocking 2 shots a game. Good enough for top 5 in the league.

So Bynum is offensively more skilled/polished than Howard will ever be.
So Bynum ranks 3rd in rebounding, 5th in blocks.
So Bynum is 24yrs old.

You get all of this and you have the NERVE, THE NERVE to talk about Bynums knees and ignore Carlos friggin Boozer? The 30yrs old who has x amount of years on a deal he wont live up too? A guy that a majority of Bulls fans pray to night gets traded just in general (not talkin Howard either). Get your sh!t and get out of this f*cking thread! :roll:

You're absolutely nuts. Did you see what Bynum did yesterday?

Look I'm not the Orlando GM, no one on this board is. So dont shovel your BULLshyt to us as your way of trying to sell me on Boozer in attempts to get Dwight Howard. When in reality, deep down inside you are laughing at the notion that the Bulls can keep Noah and get rid of CARLOS FRIGGIN BOOZER for Dwight Howard. I know I know, Asik/Deng is involved. But I'm not EATING Boozer for nothing. So enugh of this you wont speak on what Boozer really is because you dont want to ruin a potential deal. No one is a GM here, Gms arent gonna read this thread and have 2nd thoughts on a proposed deals being discussed.

Cut it out.

Give me the young big man in Bynum while you keep preaching about his "knees". Ok? I'll worry about his knees and you keep Carlos friggin Boozer, the man who dyes his hair JET BLACK lookin like a total herb.

And no Boozer is no scrub, worthless player. But when you are talkin Bynum or Bulls package where Boozer is involved? Wake up and smell the folgers. :no:

[GOBB]

If Bynum is as good as you say, why would the Lakers trade him, why not try and cover other weaknesses since the C position in LA is so good:confusedshrug:

Honestly? I dont think Lakers will. I just think Orlando would be stupid IF they could trade for Bynum and decided they prefer the Bulls package instead. Thats all I'm saying. I refuse to believe the "reported" package is the best Orlando can do AND something Orlando really likes.

[BlackVVaves]

He's had a Couple bad games...more than enough. What keeps his averages so high is that after getting out of a slump, he'll have a number of VERY good games, so it balances out. But don't act like we haven't seen Laker fans on here shitting on Bynum for what they consider a bad performance, and this has been an occasional thing til recently. We just had a "Kobe is carrying scrubs" movement a few weeks ago.

Those are just Kobe stans like Nick Young who eat and shit Kobe Bryant :lol

[TheMan]

Honestly? I dont think Lakers will. I just think Orlando would be stupid IF they could trade for Bynum and decided they prefer the Bulls package instead. Thats all I'm saying. I refuse to believe the "reported" package is the best Orlando can do AND something Orlando really likes.
I agree, Bynum is better than any one player the Bulls could offer save for Rose.

[LamarOdom]

He's been inconsistent. He's had games where he shows potential of being better than Dwight, then other games where he's a complete liability to the Lakers, even having Laker fans calling him a bum.

Are you an idiot? If Magics could they would be all over Bynum for Howard but since Howard said he wouldn't resing with Lakers long term so Lakers turned down the trade.

Bynum over that package plus 20 millions.

[Optimus Prime]

So let me get this straight...

The Magic are reportedly unwilling to part with Howard for Bynum, who is a 7 foot All Star beast of a center, but they are willing to trade Howard for injured Deng, Boozer's horrible contract and OMER ASIK?!

:facepalm

[LamarOdom]

So let me get this straight...

The Magic are reportedly unwilling to part with Howard for Bynum, who is a 7 foot All Star beast of a center, but they are willing to trade Howard for injured Deng, Boozer's horrible contract and OMER ASIK?!

:facepalm

And they even think this is better then Bynum trade.

[SwooshReturns]

Howard just quite simply ... doesn't want to win. If he did this would be a no brainer. Such a loser. Too busy wanting to be a comedy act. Bulls gets D12, and move Noah (redundant) for a quality SG ... and the Bulls can beat the Heat. Howard is such a loser.

:oldlol:

[pegasus]

So let me get this straight...

The Magic are reportedly unwilling to part with Howard for Bynum, who is a 7 foot All Star beast of a center, but they are willing to trade Howard for injured Deng, Boozer's horrible contract and OMER ASIK?!

:facepalm

We don't know that. Maybe it's the Lakers not pulling the trade if Howard is not willing to sign a long-term deal.

I'm a Bulls fan, and I agree that Bynum is worth more than our package. I cannot imagine a team in the league who would be willing to take on Boozer's horrible contract, let alone the team with the biggest trade chip in recent history.

Noah+Deng+Asik+Bobcats' pick would be much better for them. And Boozer may actually play better next to Dwight.

Anyway, this talk is all moot if Howard doesn't want us.

[boozehound]

We don't know that. Maybe it's the Lakers not pulling the trade if Howard is not willing to sign a long-term deal.

I'm a Bulls fan, and I agree that Bynum is worth more than our package. I cannot imagine a team in the league who would be willing to take on Boozer's horrible contract, let alone the team with the biggest trade chip in recent history.

Noah+Deng+Asik+Bobcats' pick would be much better for them. And Boozer may actually play better next to Dwight.

Anyway, this talk is all moot if Howard doesn't want us.
I agree with the post that howard is a clown if hes not willing to go to the bulls. Dude needs to get real and recognize the way to make his "brand" is winning titles. Personally, I think asik, deng and boozer is a much better deal than just bynum (presuming they are also taking hedo off their hands). Deng is massively underrated by fans across the board and boozer is a great offensive player in the right system. Sure, Bynum is better than any of them, but unless they are also moving hedo for, say, expirers and barnes, the bulls deal is better IMO.

[niko]

I agree with the post that howard is a clown if hes not willing to go to the bulls. Dude needs to get real and recognize the way to make his "brand" is winning titles. Personally, I think asik, deng and boozer is a much better deal than just bynum (presuming they are also taking hedo off their hands). Deng is massively underrated by fans across the board and boozer is a great offensive player in the right system. Sure, Bynum is better than any of them, but unless they are also moving hedo for, say, expirers and barnes, the bulls deal is better IMO.
I agree with all of this

[Gundress]

:banghead: :banghead:

This is making me hate D.Howard now. F*CK HIS SILLY COOENY ASS N!GGA

[Tenchi Ryu]

I agree with the post that howard is a clown if hes not willing to go to the bulls. Dude needs to get real and recognize the way to make his "brand" is winning titles. Personally, I think asik, deng and boozer is a much better deal than just bynum (presuming they are also taking hedo off their hands). Deng is massively underrated by fans across the board and boozer is a great offensive player in the right system. Sure, Bynum is better than any of them, but unless they are also moving hedo for, say, expirers and barnes, the bulls deal is better IMO.
Exactly
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[themurph]

So let me get this straight...

The Magic are reportedly unwilling to part with Howard for Bynum, who is a 7 foot All Star beast of a center, but they are willing to trade Howard for injured Deng, Boozer's horrible contract and OMER ASIK?!

:facepalm


How is that shocking?

Bynum has only averaged 31 plus games a season...Of course, he's a gifted player and a true center....But Orlando simply doesn't want to take the chance of another critical injury...

It's not rocket science...

[Optimus Prime]

How is that shocking?

Bynum has only averaged 31 plus games a season...Of course, he's a gifted player and a true center....But Orlando simply doesn't want to take the chance of another critical injury...

It's not rocket science...

Apparently it is rocket science...people seriously saying a deal based around Deng + Boozer is better than a deal based around Bynum.

Deng...BOOZER...and I guess 7 footers with serious skills just grow on trees.

:facepalm

[StateOfMind12]

This is quite ridiculously. Dwight Howard is reaching LeBron's level of attention whoring.

It's clear that Dwight is more interested in his own personal life such as location, attention, and fame than he does about winning, legacy, and greatness.

[longtime lurker]

Wow I learned that there are two morons in Orlando today. One plays for the Magic and the other is the GM. I knew Otis is an idiot, but SMH at Dwight for not wanting to go to one of the best basketball cities hungry for a championship. And LOL at Otis taking on Boozer of all people, this dude is comedy of errors

[LABean]

Stop crying. :lol
Dwight just doesn't want to go to Shitcago. Get over it. :facepalm

[longtime lurker]

Stop crying. :lol
Dwight just doesn't want to go to Shitcago. Get over it. :facepalm

He doesn't want to go to LA or Boston either but would go to Brooklyn? :facepalm

[Soundwave]

Rich Devos (the old dude who was the Magic owner) hates the Lakers for using what were likely illegal methods to take Shaq from them.

Orlando will deal Dwight to LA I think only as a last, last, last, last resort.

I don't buy the adidas excuse either. Nike made huge bank having Jordan and Pippen in Chicago together.

[Basketbolero]

Stop crying. :lol
Dwight just doesn't want to go to Shitcago. Get over it. :facepalm
There are plenty of morons and trolls on this board, props to you for standing out amongst such fierce competition.

[Tenchi Ryu]

I don't buy the adidas excuse either. Nike made huge bank having Jordan and Pippen in Chicago together.
It was proven false, an Adidas rep even said them playing on the same team would bring good results for the business.

[d21221hk]

There are plenty of morons and trolls on this board, props to you for standing out amongst such fierce competition.
Seriously. Morons and bittertrolls been saying lebron and co. are cowards for joining together but now they are saying Howard is a dumb ass for not joining with Rose? Which is it? :lol

[LABean]

There are plenty of morons and trolls on this board, props to you for standing out amongst such fierce competition.

A world where posting facts is considered trolling. Meh. :hammerhead:

[Basketbolero]

Seriously. Morons and bittertrolls been saying lebron and co. are cowards for joining together but now they are saying Howard is a dumb ass for not joining with Rose? Which is it? :lol
Nah, I don't think anyone can say he is a coward, he has his own preferences and you have to respect them, but he is not being very smart and mature about it and that's what is pissing people off.

[themurph]

Apparently it is rocket science...people seriously saying a deal based around Deng + Boozer is better than a deal based around Bynum.

Deng...BOOZER...and I guess 7 footers with serious skills just grow on trees.

:facepalm

Use logic.....

Why trade away a player for someone who has yet to play over 40 plus games in his career?

That's what you are not understanding...Orlando would rather have Boozer/Deng/Asik (a defensive 7 footer) and draft picks than a damn good player like Bynum who is injury prone...

It's that simple...

[ZenMaster]

It was proven false, an Adidas rep even said them playing on the same team would bring good results for the business.

So an Adidas rep denied denied trying to impact the decision of an NBA player, makes sense.

[TheMan]

Stop crying. :lol
Dwight just doesn't want to go to Shitcago. Get over it. :facepalm
Retarded poster is a retarded fa.ggot.

[97 bulls]

Use logic.....

Why trade away a player for someone who has yet to play over 40 plus games in his career?

That's what you are not understanding...Orlando would rather have Boozer/Deng/Asik (a defensive 7 footer) and draft picks than a damn good player like Bynum who is injury prone...

It's that simple...
Exactly, Bynum is what? 23-24? Hes already getting injections in both knees. And Thats what makes Orlando apprehensive and rightfully so.

[rodman91]

If Howard doesn't want to be team up with another superstar and stay with his team, i respect that. Right move for a superstar. And I'm a bulls fan.

But if he goes somewhere instead of Chicago and team up with another superstar, then he is just a dumbass. Because Bulls roster fits him perfectly.

[JohnnyWall]

Why trade away a player for someone who has yet to play over 40 plus games in his career?

Um, what? Bynum played 46 games in 2005-06, 82 games in 2006-07, 50 games in 2008-09, 65 games in 2009-10, and 54 games in 2010-11.

[Duncan21formvp]

It could be that he is jealous of Rose for winning MVP and taking over Adidas.

[D12"Magic"]

There was a report the other day saying Howard would get a $400 Million Deal with Adidas only in Brooklyn/NY.

[rodman91]

There was a report the other day saying Howard would get a $400 Million Deal with Adidas only in Brooklyn/NY.

400 million ? :eek:

[D12"Magic"]

400 million ? :eek:
Yeah sounded unreal
An Orlando insider stated it

If it's true Dwight's ($400 mill) shoe deal in Brooklyn is larger than DRose's, plus Russian billionaire promi$e$, can't blame D12 for move

[guy]

Question: Should the Bulls make that trade even without Howard agreeing to an extension with the hopes of convincing him while he's here? You look at that trade and we'd be a trading a backup center in Asik, an overpaid PF in Boozer who really isn't that much if better at all then his backup Gibson, and Deng. How bad would it be losing all those guys if Howard didn't resign? Although Asik is one of the best backup centers in the league, he's still a backup center that is replaceable. Going from Boozer to Gibson might actually be an upgrade and we shed a huge salary, who IMO doesn't really add much more impact then Gibson considering his defensive deficiencies. Losing Deng is bad, who IMO is much better then Hedo, and his defense would definitely be missed, but at least we'd still have a decent starting SF in Hedo.

So I don't think losing Asik or Boozer would really have much of an impact at all, but losing Deng would. So I can simplify it to is losing Deng and downgrading from him to Hedo worth bringing in Howard for at least the rest of the year to compete for a title and trying to convince him to stay?

The Bulls are probably the favorites with this trade and if they win a title, is there really any chance of Howard leaving? And even if they don't win a title but get pretty far, won't there be a good chance that Howard will at least exercise his option for next year? And if they win a title and the slim chance of Howard still leaving does happen, who cares? They got a title out of it.

The one other thing to think about is chemistry, which the Bulls have a great deal of right now. But I have my doubts that this team wouldn't develop a great deal of chemistry.

[rodman91]

Yeah sounded unreal
An Orlando insider stated it

For 400 million dollars,he would change his skin color...and i wouldn't blame him. :lol

[GOBB]

Exactly, Bynum is what? 23-24? Hes already getting injections in both knees. And Thats what makes Orlando apprehensive and rightfully so.

Right, as if Lakers are willing to give up Bynum so easily. All this speculation, lets not act like we know the Lakers would rather swap Bynum for Howard.

And that package includes Boozer. Funny how people are critical of his game but once involved in a trade where it benefits the Bulls? They want to act like they always loved Boozer.

"Wait what Booz? He's awesome. Orlando is gonna love him."

[LosBulls]

I rather keep Deng, kthx.

[rodman91]

Right, as if Lakers are willing to give up Bynum so easily. All this speculation, lets not act like we know the Lakers would rather swap Bynum for Howard.

And that package includes Boozer. Funny how people are critical of his game but once involved in a trade where it benefits the Bulls? They want to act like they always loved Boozer.

"Wait what Booz? He's awesome. Orlando is gonna love him."

Come on.. Isn't it cute?

http://bullsbythehorns.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/boozer-puppy1.jpg

[themurph]

Um, what? Bynum played 46 games in 2005-06, 82 games in 2006-07, 50 games in 2008-09, 65 games in 2009-10, and 54 games in 2010-11.


I was being tongue in cheek...But u get my point...U made it for me....

[305Baller]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/02/derrick-rose-hates-dancing.jpg

[LosBulls]

And they will suck with a a healthy Boozer whose matador defense gets exposed and there is no one/team to protect him. Give me a f*cking break, how dare you prop up the Bulls package over Andruw Bynum who you probably could argue is as good as Dwight Howard RIGHT NOW. Offensively? He takes #2's all over Howards lawn! No curb. Bynum is giving you 12rpg. Thats 3rd best in the NBA behind Howard and Love. He's blocking 2 shots a game. Good enough for top 5 in the league.

So Bynum is offensively more skilled/polished than Howard will ever be.
So Bynum ranks 3rd in rebounding, 5th in blocks.
So Bynum is 24yrs old.

You get all of this and you have the NERVE, THE NERVE to talk about Bynums knees and ignore Carlos friggin Boozer? The 30yrs old who has x amount of years on a deal he wont live up too? A guy that a majority of Bulls fans pray to night gets traded just in general (not talkin Howard either). Get your sh!t and get out of this f*cking thread! :roll:

You're absolutely nuts. Did you see what Bynum did yesterday?

Look I'm not the Orlando GM, no one on this board is. So dont shovel your BULLshyt to us as your way of trying to sell me on Boozer in attempts to get Dwight Howard. When in reality, deep down inside you are laughing at the notion that the Bulls can keep Noah and get rid of CARLOS FRIGGIN BOOZER for Dwight Howard. I know I know, Asik/Deng is involved. But I'm not EATING Boozer for nothing. So enugh of this you wont speak on what Boozer really is because you dont want to ruin a potential deal. No one is a GM here, Gms arent gonna read this thread and have 2nd thoughts on a proposed deals being discussed.

Cut it out.

Give me the young big man in Bynum while you keep preaching about his "knees". Ok? I'll worry about his knees and you keep Carlos friggin Boozer, the man who dyes his hair JET BLACK lookin like a total herb.

And no Boozer is no scrub, worthless player. But when you are talkin Bynum or Bulls package where Boozer is involved? Wake up and smell the folgers. :no:
umad

[97 bulls]

Right, as if Lakers are willing to give up Bynum so easily. All this speculation, lets not act like we know the Lakers would rather swap Bynum for Howard.

And that package includes Boozer. Funny how people are critical of his game but once involved in a trade where it benefits the Bulls? They want to act like they always loved Boozer.

"Wait what Booz? He's awesome. Orlando is gonna love him."
Im one of boozers biggest supporters. I just feel the Bulls can offer a much better package than any other team. Largely because I feel boozer is a very good player

[GOBB]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/02/derrick-rose-hates-dancing.jpg

Look at that clown Dwight. :facepalm

[kNicKz]

honestly, I'm sick of dwight howard's trade drama....every week it's something else

[disel]

Come on.. Isn't it cute?

http://bullsbythehorns.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/boozer-puppy1.jpg
The dog even gotta more attractive face

[disel]

Dwight is doing the Magic wrong.

[lilgodfather1]

Dwight is doing the Magic wrong.
At least he is giving Orlando the chance to trade him. Sure it is only to a team of his choosing, but you can get more for Dwight as a trade piece than as a FA.

[GOBB]

Dwight is doing the Magic wrong.

No he's not, shutup. How is he doing the Magic wrong???

[UtahJazzFan88]

GOBB didn't even mention the fact that Boozer has tended to take off games for BS injuries or has had a history of missing quite a few games, although he's been good this year of not having injuries so far.

I think Bynum is going to be getting even better soon if those knees hold up.

[GatorKid117]

Thank you Dwight, keep Boozer out of Orlando.

[disel]

No he's not, shutup. How is he doing the Magic wrong???
Internet tough. dweeb sitting behind a PC talking tough. lol. i know ur type in the street you would shut ya clancker and walk away like a clown that you are

[GOBB]

Internet tough. dweeb sitting behind a PC talking tough. lol. i know ur type in the street you would shut ya clancker and walk away like a clown that you are

Yeah and you dont even ANSWER the question. *sniffs* Smells like sh!t. *sniffs* Its coming from your end, rear that is.

[chips93]

If they get credited and linked, it just sends more people to their own report than would normally read it otherwise.

So, nope. It helps them.

well, in my case, i dont know how common it is, i follow berger on twitter, but i saw the thread here first, so i would have clicked his link on twitter had this thread not been posted, i just happened to see this thread first.

so in this case he gets less views

plus if i know that the reports are identical, and i see yours first, im not gonna click his link, if its the same info.

again, just wonderin'