Knicks: 2-8 since Melo's return

[StateOfMind12]

.........and 7-1 when Melo was out.


But Nah, it's Mike D'Antoni's fault right? It's MDA's fault that Melo shoots 40% from the field and that he shoots a TS% less than 50% right? :rolleyes: :oldlol:

[305Baller]

just bench him already, he could make a great 6 man.

[Tinseltime17]

just bench him already, he could make a great 6 man.
When was the last time a player with Melo's contract came off the bench?

[Sarcastic]

Knicks are 121-166 since D'Antoni took over as head coach for the team.

[305Baller]

When was the last time a player with Melo's contract came off the bench?

if I was coach, I would think team first. I would experiment with chemistry... I am a scientist with it.

[DMV2]

Knicks are 121-166 since D'Antoni took over as head coach for the team.
Blazers visiting MSG on Wednesday. You think he'll get canned?

[bmulls]

if I was coach, I would think team first. I would experiment with chemistry... I am a scientist with it.

If I was Pringles I would do this too..his ass is gone after the season anyway, might as well try something new

[Kblaze8855]

When was the last time a player with Melo's contract came off the bench?

Off the top of my head.....I can think of 5 recently. You probably could as well.

[PHaYze]

Whens the last time a teams best player came off the bench?

[Sarcastic]

Blazers visiting MSG on Wednesday. You think he'll get canned?

If the Giants didn't make their SB run, he would have been fired a long time ago. Now with Linsanity, who knows if Dolan will have the cajones to do it.

[305Baller]

If I was Pringles I would do this too..his ass is gone after the season anyway, might as well try something new


yep.


:D

[Eric Cartman]

When was the last time a player with Melo's contract came off the bench?

Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Stephon Marbury?

[Dictator]

Whens the last time a teams best player came off the bench?

http://blog.sfgate.com/ontheblock/files/2012/02/lin-215x300.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

Whens the last time a teams best player came off the bench?

Manu is arguable in a couple seasons.

[PHaYze]

Manu is arguable in a couple seasons.
Yeah, I actually forgot about Manu lol. But yeah, no reason to send Melo to the bench.

[305Baller]

Manu is arguable in a couple seasons.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/yes/stanley2.gif

[sbw19]

Your two forward stars averaging 40% and 45% from the field and a combined 14 rpg while playing atrocious defense is unacceptable.

[Sarcastic]

Melo goes 21/8/3, and people want him on the bench? :roll: :roll: :roll:

How about just firing the coach? That's about 1000x easier.

[I<3NBA]

before Linsanity, Lin came off the bench.

[305Baller]

Melo goes 21/8/3, and people want him on the bench? :roll: :roll: :roll:

How about just firing the coach? That's about 1000x easier.

8-21 FGs

[RRR3]

Melo goes 21/8/3, and people want him on the bench? :roll: :roll: :roll:

How about just firing the coach? That's about 1000x easier.
Melo goes 21/8/3 and you're excited? :oldlol:

[Dictator]

Melo goes 21/8/3 and you're excited? :oldlol:

:lol: 8-21

[Whoah10115]

For all the flak Knicks get (and much of it fair) there sure are a lot of hating threads every game this current sub-.500 team loses...



Kettles, pots, black (I mean African-American, bagel).

[Sarcastic]

8-21 FGs

Rose shot bad, and got the win. Melo was chucking in garbage time too.

[305Baller]

Rose shot bad, and got the win. Melo was chucking in garbage time too.

Rose shot well in the second half. Plus the Bulls can live with Rose at 43-45%

[Kiddlovesnets]

Is there actually a PG who can co-exist with Melo? I mean, other than prime Chauncey?

[PHaYze]

Is there actually a PG who can co-exist with Melo? I mean, other than prime Chauncey?
Chauncey was past his prime when he played with Melo.

[WockaVodka]

Is there actually a PG who can co-exist with Melo? I mean, other than prime Chauncey?
Andre Miller fit well with him but Melo doesn't fit on the Knicks. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he isn't the same player he once was.

[Sarcastic]

Is there actually a PG who can co-exist with Melo? I mean, other than prime Chauncey?

He made the playoffs with Andre Miller and Allen Iverson. He's never had a problem before until D'Antoni became his coach. Going all the way back to high school.

[NuggetsFan]

Melo goes 21/8/3, and people want him on the bench? :roll: :roll: :roll:

How about just firing the coach? That's about 1000x easier.

Dam that's when you know a guy's career is on the downward. 21\8\3 on awful shooting is brutal for Melo. Esp considering he's losing while doing so. Good numbers for him if your winning I guess.

If I'm a Knicks fan I'd be happy with 25\7\3 tho, while being efficient.

[blacknapalm]

the spacing and cuts has been awful since melo's return. that's why the 3 point makes have gone way down and why lin has much more trouble getting into the paint. if melo doesn't shoot lights out, they pretty much lose

[ReturnofJPR]

Melo is just not a good player, NBA -wise. He is lazy and not very smart at all. He doesn't try hard at all. I would hate to have him on my team. Google "Carmelo Anthony Punk'd" and you will see what a Loser Melo really is..

[miles berg]

He is the new era Glenn Robinson, people are just figuring it out.

New York would be wise to trade him while he still has any value at all.

[iDefend5]

He is the new era Glenn Robinson, people are just figuring it out.

Explain.

[305Baller]

Explain.

An elite talent with questionable defense and heart... allegedly.

[TerranOP]

They didn't go to Melo at all in the last 5 minutes of the game. I don't know whose decision that was, but you have to let your best player do work when it comes to crunch time. No one was making an effort to get the ball to him, when really he should've been bringing it up every time.

[JMT]

They didn't go to Melo at all in the last 5 minutes of the game. I don't know whose decision that was, but you have to let your best player do work when it comes to crunch time. No one was making an effort to get the ball to him, when really he should've been bringing it up every time.

Holy smokes. :facepalm

[hawkfan]

When was the last time a player with Melo's contract came off the bench?

Gilbert Arenas.

[hawkfan]

They didn't go to Melo at all in the last 5 minutes of the game. I don't know whose decision that was, but you have to let your best player do work when it comes to crunch time. No one was making an effort to get the ball to him, when really he should've been bringing it up every time.

Marsh-Melo got a bunch of shots at the end, he just didn't make them.

He needs to follow Dirk, who took off a week and went into massive conditioning for a week. He came back in better shape and has played much better.

Marsh-Melo is badly out of shape.

[BrentISballin]

Melo is a great talent but he just can't seem to mesh with any team. He should come to the bobcats where we will welcome him taking 50 shots a night :applause:

[Micku]

They didn't go to Melo at all in the last 5 minutes of the game. I don't know whose decision that was, but you have to let your best player do work when it comes to crunch time. No one was making an effort to get the ball to him, when really he should've been bringing it up every time.

He should've been getting the ball. If he is scoring then he'll attract the double team, then he'll pass out for the open man. That's how it works. Instead he got during garbage time and missed a bunch of shots. All I remember is that Fields didn't get him the ball and he got mad a bit. I don't remember how each possession went down though.

[Eric Cartman]

If this video doesn't explain things i don't know what will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2N2nfVWjY

[chairman]

Lin is garbage

[iDefend5]

Melo is a great talent but he just can't seem to mesh with any team. He should come to the bobcats where we will welcome him taking 50 shots a night :applause:
:oldlol: Pretty sure jordan tried to trade for him.

[Sarcastic]

Melo goes 21/8/3 and you're excited? :oldlol:

Today was exciting.

[Johnni Gade]

Bad luck

[spiegel]

Rocketsgreatness aka stateofthemind just got owned. Bashing carmelo to propup lin just got eposed. Melo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lin.

Dragic?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.lin

[StateOfMind12]

Today was exciting.
It is quite clear that Melo cannot play with other all-star caliber players such as Lin and Amare. Melo can only fit in with great role players which is exactly what he had in Denver. I stopped watching after mid 4th because I thought the Bulls had in the bad and I started doing other shit though.

:facepalm It seems like I missed a big one.

[knickswin]

It is quite clear that Melo cannot play with other all-star caliber players such as Lin and Amare. Melo can only fit in with great role players which is exactly what he had in Denver. I stopped watching after mid 4th because I thought the Bulls had in the bad and I started doing other shit though.

:facepalm It seems like I missed a big one.

there are plenty of all star players melo would be fine next to. tyson has arguably been playing like an all star, and melo has absolutely no problem playing with him.

melo would be fine with a stretch four (so dirk, kevin love, and kevin garnett are examples of all stars that would work with him) or even a high post four like pau would be fine. he'd be fine next to point guards like deron williams, rondo, and tony parker who don't have quite the case of black hole-itis that Lin has. he'd obviously be fine next to guys like rip hamilton and ray allen. even he and durant would probably work together.

amar'e is a bad fit because he also likes the elbow like melo does, which messes up spacing badly. lin and melo I think will eventually be okay, but Lin is actually a bit of a black hole at times and they don't have good chemistry on the court. if lin can develop to be more like tony parker and strike a balance, they could work.

[spiegel]

:roll:
It is quite clear that Melo cannot play with other all-star caliber players such as Lin and Amare. Melo can only fit in with great role players which is exactly what he had in Denver. I stopped watching after mid 4th because I thought the Bulls had in the bad and I started doing other shit though.

:facepalm It seems like I missed a big one.
lin allstar calibare.:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Sarcastic]

Melo and Amar'e will be fine together, if they are healthy. The only reason they didn't work before was because of Mike D'Antoni.

[Smoove&Melo]

Melo is just not a good player, NBA -wise. He is lazy and not very smart at all. He doesn't try hard at all. I would hate to have him on my team. Google "Carmelo Anthony Punk'd" and you will see what a Loser Melo really is..
:yaohappy::yaohappy: even better u a bulls fan.

[StateOfMind12]

Melo and Amar'e will be fine together, if they are healthy. The only reason they didn't work before was because of Mike D'Antoni.
If it was D'Antoni's fault for those two to be able to co-exist, why exactly was Melo still playing so badly when Woodson took over?


there are plenty of all star players melo would be fine next to. tyson has arguably been playing like an all star, and melo has absolutely no problem playing with him.

melo would be fine with a stretch four (so dirk, kevin love, and kevin garnett are examples of all stars that would work with him) or even a high post four like pau would be fine. he'd be fine next to point guards like deron williams, rondo, and tony parker who don't have quite the case of black hole-itis that Lin has. he'd obviously be fine next to guys like rip hamilton and ray allen. even he and durant would probably work together.

amar'e is a bad fit because he also likes the elbow like melo does, which messes up spacing badly. lin and melo I think will eventually be okay, but Lin is actually a bit of a black hole at times and they don't have good chemistry on the court. if lin can develop to be more like tony parker and strike a balance, they could work.
Good post, I agree to some extent. I don't think Melo and Amare can ever co-exist cause they are almost the exact same players.

[Sarcastic]

If it was D'Antoni's fault for those two to be able to co-exist, why exactly was Melo still playing so badly when Woodson took over?



He's been playing injured a large portion of the year.

[StateOfMind12]

He's been playing injured a large portion of the year.
:oldlol: So he just miraculously became healthy as soon as Amare and Lin went down? Weak excuses bro, he just can't co-exist with those two specifically Amare. I think he might be able to co-exist with Lin but he doesn't have much of a chance to co-exist with Amare.

[knickswin]

Good post, I agree to some extent. I don't think Melo and Amare can ever co-exist cause they are almost the exact same players.

yep. I said in another post, Melo dominating slower power forwards from the elbow reminds me so much of how Amar'e would dominate slower centers from the elbow last year. They're both really good at it, but there's no room for two guys like that on the team. the spacing's impossible. If Knicks keep one, they keep Melo.

And I do think some people are writing off Amar'e completely when they shouldn't be. He is a niche player who has been taken out of his niche. Put him on the team where he is the clear first option, and he can dominate.

[Sarcastic]

:oldlol: So he just miraculously became healthy as soon as Amare and Lin went down? Weak excuses bro, he just can't co-exist with those two specifically Amare. I think he might be able to co-exist with Lin but he doesn't have much of a chance to co-exist with Amare.

What's the sample size you are using for Lin/Amar'e/Melo under Woodson, and Melo sucking? Like 3 games or so?

[StateOfMind12]

What's the sample size you are using for Lin/Amar'e/Melo under Woodson, and Melo sucking? Like 3 games or so?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256906

Here is already a 5 game sample size when Lin/Amare/Melo were together with Woodson.


Knicks have been 5-0 since Woodson has taken over and here are Melo, Amare, and Lin's stats for those 5 games.

Melo - 14.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.4 apg, 38.8% FG (13.4 FGA), 27.8% 3P, 60.9% FT (4.6 FTA), 1.8 topg

Amare - 16.8 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 57.4% FG, (10.8 fga), 78.6% FT, (5.6 FTA), 1.2 topg

Lin - 14.8 ppg, 6.0 apg, 4.8 rpg, 43.8% FG (9.6 FGA), 30.0% 3p, 96.7% FT (6.0 FTA), 3.2 TOPG.


lol at Melo. He has taken more shots than both Amare and Lin and he is still scoring less than both of them.


He played just as bad the next few games and then Lin/Amare go out and then Melo starts playing a star player again.

[airchibundo507]

:oldlol: So he just miraculously became healthy as soon as Amare and Lin went down? Weak excuses bro, he just can't co-exist with those two specifically Amare. I think he might be able to co-exist with Lin but he doesn't have much of a chance to co-exist with Amare.

He was injured BEFORE Lin came into the picture. The injuries to his wrist and groin were reasons why he had nights shooting 10/30 FG and 1/11 FG early in the season.

He got healthier after Linsanity (although he did reaggravate his groin at one point). But the fact of the matter is that the way he was being used on offense didn't allow him to develop any sort of rhythm. Davis is subservient to Melo and Woodson's offense is more post-oriented with pnr serving as a secondary or fall-back option.

Lin was far more ball dominating (and you can blame D'Antoni for that) and often relegated Melo to a floor spacer and bail-out shot taker when Lin's pnr didn't work. But Lin will see the success Melo is having without him and adapt.

Lin, Amare and Melo can and will definitely work.

[Artillery]

It is quite clear that Melo cannot play with other all-star caliber players such as Lin and Amare.

Lin an all-star caliber player? :roll:

Stateofmind with another shitty take. Ranks right up there with him calling Ibaka a top 3 DPOY candidate(cause amassing a lot of blocks equals good defense)

Knicks fans would do well to ignore this moron.

[Sarcastic]

So 5 games is your sample size, and from that you can tell that Melo can't play with another superstar...

[StateOfMind12]

So 5 games is your sample size, and from that you can tell that Melo can't play with another superstar...
It's more like 7-8 games either way it is more than 3 like you tried to sugarcoat or do you want to go back to your injuries excuse? Melo has just been hurt all year and then he just coincidentally became healthy against as soon as Lin and Amare went out. :oldlol:

By the way, Melo is injury prone because he fails to take care of his body. Durability is part of the game. Melo doesn't get freak accidents or anything like that either. He just gets injured because he always shows up to a new season out of shape.

[Sarcastic]

It's more like 7-8 games either way it is more than 3 like you tried to sugarcoat or do you want to go back to your injuries excuse? Melo has just been hurt all year and then he just coincidentally became healthy against as soon as Lin and Amare went out. :oldlol:

By the way, Melo is injury prone because he fails to take care of his body. Durability is part of the game. Melo doesn't get freak accidents or anything like that either. He just gets injured because he always shows up to a new season out of shape.

Melo still hasn't had a full training camp with Amar'e, and when Lin first came to the Knicks, D'Antoni would not let him practice with Melo/Amar'e.

I hate to say it, but let's see how the chemistry looks next year before we make bold proclamations that Melo can't play with another superstar.

[knickswin]

By the way, Melo is injury prone because he fails to take care of his body. Durability is part of the game. Melo doesn't get freak accidents or anything like that either. He just gets injured because he always shows up to a new season out of shape.

I don't think Melo is even exceptionally injury prone. Everyone gets banged up from time to time. You also have to take into account that he plays very physical basketball. He is the only real post-up small forward in the game right now. I don't think it's fair to call out his conditioning. He doesn't have good definition, but he is clearly an endomorph. He's like barkley or shaq. a big, strong, kind of chubby looking guy.

[guy]

I don't understand at this point why any team would sign Mike D'Antoni.

[knicksman]

If it was D'Antoni's fault for those two to be able to co-exist, why exactly was Melo still playing so badly when Woodson took over?


Good post, I agree to some extent. I don't think Melo and Amare can ever co-exist cause they are almost the exact same players.

or maybe amare was still playing with bad back which could take 2 years to recover. Its not like melo wasnt playing well at the start of the season until he injured his wrists with amare clogging the paint.

[bagelred]

:coleman: :coleman: :coleman: :coleman: :coleman: :coleman: :coleman: :coleman: