2008-09 Dwyane Wade vs. 2005-06 Kobe Bryant

[Lebron23]

Who do you think was the better player?

http://cdn.everyjoe.com/files/2012/02/dwyane-wade-apologizes.jpg

2009 Wade

30.2 ppg on 49.1 FG%, 7.5 apg, 4.8 rpg, 2.2 spg, 1.1 bpg

2006 Kobe Bryant

35.4 ppg on 45.1 FG%, 5.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.4 bpg

[donald_trump]

kobe was better offensively, wade was better defensively.

[D-Wade316]

Wade easily.

[Inactive]

If you need a pure scorer, Kobe would be better. If you need someone who's not quite as reliable scoring, but gets the other guys involved, Wade would be better. I think Wade's stats were slightly better, but there are situations where a guy like Kobe would probably be more useful.

[eliteballer]

Kobe All-Defensive First Team and played the whole year on a knee needing surgical repair. He was better and more athletic the next year(ten 50 point games in about 60 healthy games)

[D-Wade316]

Kobe All-Defensive First Team and played the whole year on a knee needing surgical repair. He was better and more athletic the next year(ten 50 point games in about 60 healthy games)
Kobe was pathetic defensively that year. Even his own coach criticized him for a lack of effort. :oldlol:

[CardiacKemba]

Scoring wise Kobe obviously. He was a machine. But Wade played the better overall season and was the better team player.

[macpierce]

kobe and please stop with these stupid threads of yours

[D-Wade316]

Kobe in 06 is not better than Wade in the same year. See playoffs and Finals.

[Lebron23]

kobe and please stop with these stupid threads of yours


Whatever. This is actually a good comparison.

[White Mamba]

what a bad thread:facepalm

06 Kobe best season from a player since shaq 2000.

[donald_trump]

what a bad thread:facepalm

06 Kobe best season from a player since shaq 2000.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

lebron has 3 better seasons up until this point in time over that one.

[NumberSix]

what a bad thread:facepalm

06 Kobe best season from a player since shaq 2000.
This is why everyone hate Kobetards. They have the nerve to casually say unbefcukinglievably stupid shit like this. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Dwyane Rose]

Wade easily. Trumps him in just about every statistical category, except for points, if he took 27 shots a game like Kobe did, he could easily have scored 35 a game.

[ballinhun8]

OP needs her tampons changed. must be the time of the month cuz the b*tch has been complaining lately.




Kobe was/is better.

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe and it's not even close....

Kobe was a lockdown defender that year....people detracting Kobe's defense are silly....



kinda sad really.

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe

[blablabla]

we already had threads like "as a franchise player barkley or Wade" and "as a franchise player Ewing vs. Wade"
and now we have this
turrible

[G-Funk]

Wade easily. Trumps him in just about every statistical category, except for points, if he took 27 shots a game like Kobe did, he could easily have scored 35 a game.

In TO's too..Wade shot 76% from the FT line(KB 85%) and 31% from 3pt(KB 35%)

[Dave3]

I love how every answer is either "Kobe and it's not close" or "Wade and it's not close" :oldlol:

What's even funnier is it seems to be about a 50/50 or a 60/40 split, despite all the claims of "it's not close" for either side.

[StateOfMind12]

Kobe in 06 is not better than Wade in the same year. See playoffs and Finals.
If this is your argument then Kobe was better than Wade in 2008-2009 since Wade was a no show in the post-season.

The answer to the thread is Kobe Bryant by the way and I think the answer is relatively clear. There isn't much of an argument for Wade. Most people considered Kobe better than Wade in 2008-2009 so why would you compare Kobe's arguable absolute best season in 2005-2006 against Wade? That makes no sense.

Kobe in 05-06 vs. LeBron in 08-09 would make more sense.

[G-Funk]

I love how every answer is either "Kobe and it's not close" or "Wade and it's not close" :oldlol:

What's even funnier is it seems to be about a 50/50 or a 60/40 split, despite all the claims of "it's not close" for either side.
trolling 101

[DMAVS41]

Since the 04-05 season...its a toss up between Kobe and Wade as to who has been better.

Anyone uttering the words "its not close"....for either side should be laughed at.

I personally rank the years:

05 Wade
06 Tie
07 Kobe
08 Kobe
09 Tie
10 Wade
11 Wade
12 Kobe (slightly ahead as of now)

[G-Funk]

Since the 04-05 season...its a toss up between Kobe and Wade as to who has been better.

Anyone uttering the words "its not close"....for either side should be laughed at.

I personally rank the years:

05 Wade
06 Tie
07 Kobe
08 Kobe
09 Tie
10 Wade
11 Wade
12 Kobe (slightly ahead as of now)



:facepalm :facepalm

[LEFT4DEAD]

Wade was much better all around player. Kobe was a better scorer and thats the only thing he has over Wade, but since Wade was more efficient they cancel each other on that field.
And yeah:

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg

I'm taking this streak over any scoring streak that Kobe had in 2006.

[DMAVS41]

:facepalm :facepalm

Please respond.....I would love to educate you if you like.

[The Choken One]

lol'ing hard at anyone thinking Wade was/is better than Kobe.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bigsmoke]

Since the 04-05 season...its a toss up between Kobe and Wade as to who has been better.

Anyone uttering the words "its not close"....for either side should be laughed at.

I personally rank the years:

05 Wade
06 Tie
07 Kobe
08 Kobe
09 Tie
10 Wade
11 Wade
12 Kobe (slightly ahead as of now)

Pat Riley was even getting on Wade's ass for coming into the season out of shape.

Kobe was better in 2010 and here is proof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-3s90fR1ak)

[DMAVS41]

Pat Riley was even getting on Wade's ass for coming into the season out of shape.

Kobe was better in 2010 and here is proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-3s90fR1ak

Yes. That shot is proof. Debate over.

If only they both played the same team in the playoffs. If only we could compare how they performed against the same team in a playoff series. Man....that would be nice. I wish we had that.

[Bigsmoke]

Yes. That shot is proof. Debate over.

Finals MVP?
7 Game-winners?
owning the Suns the way he did?

[DMAVS41]

Finals MVP :D

Read above post.

Wade vs Celtics was literally twice as good as Kobe vs Celtics.

I thought this was a player vs player comparison. Are we now comparing the supporting casts and coaching?

I'm confused.

[DMAVS41]

Its really not that hard.

Wade was definitely better in 05 and 11. Not even debatable.

Kobe was definitely better in 07 and 08. Not even debatable.

The rest of the years are debatable.

Therefore its close either way since 05. Again....not hard.

[G-Funk]

- On December 12, 2005 when Kobe Bryant went to the bench at the end of the third quarter, he had just netted a Lakers record 30 points in that quarter. But even better, he had 62 points, his career high by then and one more than the hole Dallas team. It was Kobe 62, Mavericks 61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the advent of the 24-second shot clock. With the Lakers up by 34 points, Bryant didn't play in the 4th quarter.

- On January 22, 2006 Bryant made history scoring 81 points in a 122-104 victory against the Toronto Raptors. It was the second best point total in NBA history, trailing only Wilt Chamberlain's legendary 100-point game in 1962. It broke the previous Lakers record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor.


- In January, Bryant became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games. Only Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor did that before.

- In January, Bryant averaged 43.4 per game, the 8th highest single month scoring average in NBA history and the highest for any player other than Chamberlain.

- In 2005-06 Kobe Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for the most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832), among others.

- Kobe Bryant had the highest scoring average (35.4) since Michael Jordan's 37.1 in 1986-87.

[Odinn]

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg

Just wow.:applause: :applause: :bowdown:

During that stretch;
37.2 ppg
5.9 rpg
10.4 apg
2.9 spg
1.4 bpg
.553 fg%
.419 3pt%
.865 ft%
41.85 eff

[DMAVS41]

Just wow.:applause: :applause: :bowdown:

During that stretch;
37.2 ppg
5.9 rpg
10.4 apg
2.9 spg
1.4 bpg
.553 fg%
.419 3pt%
.865 ft%
41.85 eff

To be able to score that much in addition to playing such a well rounded game on that efficiency is mind boggling. Just truly one of the most impressive stretches of regular season play I've ever seen. Maybe the most impressive factoring in circumstances.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I cant remember any player who has put similiar stats in such amount of games. Thats unbelievable really. Having 20ppg/10apg make you a superstar. What about 37ppg/10apg on 55%fg? I dont know, other than Jordan, I cant see who could be able to put down those numbers.

[Bigsmoke]

Read above post.

Wade vs Celtics was literally twice as good as Kobe vs Celtics.

I thought this was a player vs player comparison. Are we now comparing the supporting casts and coaching?

I'm confused.


i wouldnt say Wade had a better series since the series only went to 5 games and let Ray Allen ate his ass up. :lol

The Heat had their chances to win in games 1, 2 "no KG", and 3.

game 3, the game is tied and Wade took a contested 3 which led to a Paul Pierce game winner....

[Kblaze8855]

Wade was a flat out monster in 09. He had several of the best games ive ever seen a guard play. He didnt score 35 a game but anyone watching him in that run should know he could have. That game he dropped like 50 on the Bulls was one of the most disgusting performances ive seen. 3 to force OT and and the steal and floater from 3 for the win in OT? Wade was legendary at times that year.

Guy might have 50/10/9 or 35 points and 16 assists. Have 45 and 12....hit the game winner. And have 4 blocks.

He had some Angels in the Outfield ass "No way....." games.

Kobe was balling of course. But im not gonna act like Wade couldnt score more if he took 29 shots a game for 2 months. He had 10-20 assists in 18 games that season. Kobe has 18 in the last 5 years combined. Which is no knock on Kobe. Kobe plays his role. In 06....he was flat out asked by Phil to get baskets. To score his ass off.

Wade was not playing that way. Wade did it all. Hard to say he was worse because he scored less while not making the same effort to get high totals. Kobe was trying to score a lot. Rare you catch Wade in that "Let me drop 50...." mode where hes just getting to his spots and attacking over and over. Wade has only taken more than 30 shots 8 times in his career. Kobe has gone over 30 in 6 games of 10 in single seasons before.

Wade just isnt as prone to taking a gang of shots. Different approach.

[Dave3]

trolling 101
You talking about what everyone is doing or what I'm saying?

[eliteballer]

Wade doesnt shoot as much because he can't. The dude shoots like 35% outside of 12 feet...for his career.

[DMAVS41]

i wouldnt say Wade had a better series since the series only went to 5 games and let Ray Allen ate his ass up. :lol

The Heat had their chances to win in games 1, 2 "no KG", and 3.

game 3, the game is tied and Wade took a contested 3 which led to a Paul Pierce game winner....

Wade definitely played a better series. I don't know anyone being remotely objective could argue Kobe was better. He just wasn't.....not close really.

Again. Is this player vs player or team vs team. You act like Wade and Kobe had remotely similar help and coaching. They just didn't.

[DMAVS41]

- On December 12, 2005 when Kobe Bryant went to the bench at the end of the third quarter, he had just netted a Lakers record 30 points in that quarter. But even better, he had 62 points, his career high by then and one more than the hole Dallas team. It was Kobe 62, Mavericks 61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the advent of the 24-second shot clock. With the Lakers up by 34 points, Bryant didn't play in the 4th quarter.

- On January 22, 2006 Bryant made history scoring 81 points in a 122-104 victory against the Toronto Raptors. It was the second best point total in NBA history, trailing only Wilt Chamberlain's legendary 100-point game in 1962. It broke the previous Lakers record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor.


- In January, Bryant became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games. Only Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor did that before.

- In January, Bryant averaged 43.4 per game, the 8th highest single month scoring average in NBA history and the highest for any player other than Chamberlain.

- In 2005-06 Kobe Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for the most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832), among others.

- Kobe Bryant had the highest scoring average (35.4) since Michael Jordan's 37.1 in 1986-87.

Is anyone disputing that Kobe is the better high volume scorer? Just completely different minds in terms of offense/scoring.

Its just personal preference at some point. Would you rather have 35 on 45% or 29 on 49% while playing a more well rounded offensive game.

You scoring total solely makes about makes very little sense.

[eliteballer]

Kobe could barely play against the Celtics because of his knee, and they have more players to matchup with him.

[tpols]

Wade definitely played a better series. I don't know anyone being remotely objective could argue Kobe was better. He just wasn't.....not close really.

Again. Is this player vs player or team vs team. You act like Wade and Kobe had remotely similar help and coaching. They just didn't.
The circumstances were different too.. the C's were expected to get beat by the Cavs in the second round and hadnt gained any momentum in the first round. By the finals, they were a much stronger, more confident team. It really was the Cavs series where Rondo exploded that propelled them. Cant compare a first round sweep to a 7 game Finals series..

[DMAVS41]

The circumstances were different too.. the C's were expected to get beat by the Cavs in the second round and hadnt gained any momentum in the first round. By the finals, they were a much stronger, more confident team. It really was the Cavs series where Rondo exploded that propelled them. Cant compare a first round sweep to a 7 game Finals series..

I agree with some of this, but it was the same team the same year in the playoffs.

If you are ever going to get a good insight into performance against similar competition...its then.

I'm not saying its the end all be all or anything...but its hard to ignore the huge chasm in play between the two. Especially considering how much more help Kobe had as well. Have to factor that in to be fair....if you are going to factor in things like momentum etc.

[RaininTwos]

Wade doesnt shoot as much because he can't. The dude shoots like 35% outside of 12 feet...for his career.
someone teach this guy how to troll properly.

anyways, give me Wade. He was Jordan that year.

[G-Funk]

You talking about what everyone is doing or what I'm saying?
what we are all doing

[Dave3]

what we are all doing
We? How exactly is pointing out that people are too confident in their opinions trolling? It's ruining discussion when every person thinks their opinion is inarguable, in a very debatable topic.

[SwooshReturns]

Wade was a flat out monster in 09. He had several of the best games ive ever seen a guard play. He didnt score 35 a game but anyone watching him in that run should know he could have. That game he dropped like 50 on the Bulls was one of the most disgusting performances ive seen. 3 to force OT and and the steal and floater from 3 for the win in OT? Wade was legendary at times that year.

Guy might have 50/10/9 or 35 points and 16 assists. Have 45 and 12....hit the game winner. And have 4 blocks.

He had some Angels in the Outfield ass "No way....." games.

Kobe was balling of course. But im not gonna act like Wade couldnt score more if he took 29 shots a game for 2 months. He had 10-20 assists in 18 games that season. Kobe has 18 in the last 5 years combined. Which is no knock on Kobe. Kobe plays his role. In 06....he was flat out asked by Phil to get baskets. To score his ass off.

Wade was not playing that way. Wade did it all. Hard to say he was worse because he scored less while not making the same effort to get high totals. Kobe was trying to score a lot. Rare you catch Wade in that "Let me drop 50...." mode where hes just getting to his spots and attacking over and over. Wade has only taken more than 30 shots 8 times in his career. Kobe has gone over 30 in 6 games of 10 in single seasons before.

Wade just isnt as prone to taking a gang of shots. Different approach.
Great post ... but the question is, pick one.

Both played with horrific supporting casts, too. Wade's in 2009 arguably being worse.

[Smoke117]

Wade was a much better player. This shouldn't even be a discussion except that there are so many Kobe fan boys here and so many people that underrate Dwyane Wade. The only thing Kobe did was score more ppg than Wade. Did he do it more efficiently? No. Was he a better play maker? No he's never been much of a play maker at all while Wade has been the best play maker at the SG position during the duration of his career. He's been forced to play a PG role for much of his career on the Heat. Was Kobe a better defensive player? Hell no. He can have all his 1st team all defensive team nods in the world, but Wade was a much better overall defensive player in 09 than Kobe was in 06 and affected his teams defense in a much more significant manner.

[SwooshReturns]

Wade and Kobe are very close ... anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves. They may even end up neck and neck career / legacy wise.

The two distinct heirs to the Jordan throne, and the different aspects of MJ's game they represent of their basketball idol.

2004: Kobe
2005: Wade
2006: Reg season (Kobe), Playoffs (Wade) ... TIE
2007: Kobe (pre-injury, Wade was as good, maybe better)
2008: Kobe
2009: Reg season (Wade), Playoffs (Kobe) ... TIE
2010: Kobe
2011: Wade

2012: So far ... it's Kobe. Wade hasn't been as healthy, it could easily change very shortly. I don't see Kobe playing as well deep into the playoffs.

[PJR]

Wade was putting up video game numbers post all star break. Easily Wade da gawd.

All Kobrick did was shoot/score.

[lbj23clutch]

Just wow.:applause: :applause: :bowdown:

During that stretch;
37.2 ppg
5.9 rpg
10.4 apg
2.9 spg
1.4 bpg
.553 fg%
.419 3pt%
.865 ft%
41.85 eff
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[lbj23clutch]

Wade was much better all around player. Kobe was a better scorer and thats the only thing he has over Wade, but since Wade was more efficient they cancel each other on that field.
And yeah:

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg

I'm taking this streak over any scoring streak that Kobe had in 2006.
Damn this guy was loadin up the stat sheet! :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

Wade doesnt shoot as much because he can't. The dude shoots like 35% outside of 12 feet...for his career.

You are telling me...that if wade...a first ballot HOF level scorer...decided...to score a lot....

He would be prevented from attempting many shots because of his jumper?

Wade takes 16-20 shots because he cant shoot.

That what im being told?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wade easily.
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/kobe_bryan_lol_gif.gif

[TheNaturalWR]

Wade was putting up video game numbers post all star break. Easily Wade da gawd.

All Kobrick did was shoot/score.

Yeah he had a crazy stretch something like 30 and 10 for 5 straights games I think? It was something MONSTROUS though.

[Ikill]

People need to stop with the wade it's not close or Kobe it's not close it is ****ing close

[DMAVS41]

You are telling me...that if wade...a first ballot HOF level scorer...decided...to score a lot....

He would be prevented from attempting many shots because of his jumper?

Wade takes 16-20 shots because he cant shoot.

That what im being told?

Yea. Its so silly. This is a guy that has averaged 26 or more like 5 of his 9 years.

And the one year he took over 20 shots he scored over 30 a game. On 49% shooting as well.

So are people really acting like Wade couldn't average over 30 a game if he made a point to? LOL...total logic fail.

[Heavincent]

Wade has always been in Kobe's rear-view mirror. The only year he was better was the 10-11 season (when Kobe was injured).

[DMAVS41]

Wade has always been in Kobe's rear-view mirror. The only year he was better was the 10-11 season (when Kobe was injured).

Wade was also clearly better in the 05 season.

[Heavincent]

Wade was also clearly better in the 05 season.

Which is considered one of Kobe's worst seasons. Whoopty-****ing-doo.

[DMAVS41]

Which is considered one of Kobe's worst seasons. Whoopty-****ing-doo.

Just correcting you. Could say the same thing about an injured Wade in 07 and 08.

I really don't care what you say because anyone remotely objective knows its been neck and neck since the 05 season. Acting like Kobe has done anything to elevate himself to a different level than Wade since then is hilarious.

But again....we all already know that.

[Heavincent]

Just correcting you. Could say the same thing about an injured Wade in 07 and 08.

I really don't care what you say because anyone remotely objective knows its been neck and neck since the 05 season. Acting like Kobe has done anything to elevate himself to a different level than Wade since then is hilarious.

But again....we all already know that.

Career-wise, it's really not close...Kobe is on a different level. Don't know how you could deny that.

[DMAVS41]

Career-wise, it's really not close...Kobe is on a different level. Don't know how you could deny that.

And who is comparing them career wise at this point? We were debating since 05.

Career wise Kobe of course deserves to be ranked higher at this point.

[PickernRoller]

Just correcting you. Could say the same thing about an injured Wade in 07 and 08.

I really don't care what you say because anyone remotely objective knows its been neck and neck since the 05 season. Acting like Kobe has done anything to elevate himself to a different level than Wade since then is hilarious.

But again....we all already know that.

you need to rest in piece friend....go jack on dirks hair for your fix.

[Heavincent]

And who is comparing them career wise at this point? We were debating since 05.

Career wise Kobe of course deserves to be ranked higher at this point.

Since 05, sure, I guess it's at least remotely close. But still...

05 - Wade
06 - Kobe
07 - Kobe
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - Kobe
11 - Wade
12 - Kobe

Sure, disagree with that all you want, but I really don't feel like arguing in circles with you. Take it or leave it.

[DMAVS41]

Since 05, sure, I guess it's at least remotely close. But still...

05 - Wade
06 - Kobe
07 - Kobe
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - Kobe
11 - Wade
12 - Kobe

Sure, disagree with that all you want, but I really don't feel like arguing in circles with you. Take it or leave it.

Well...I don't see how you can give Kobe 06 and 09 and 10...but whatever. I don't care either.

Everyone at all objective knows its been close.

[eliteballer]

What the f*ck makes Wade better than Kobe in 05, year he was banged up anyway?

[D-Wade316]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/kobe_bryan_lol_gif.gif
http://airstre.am/dopamine72/Nicolas%20Cage%20Laugh.gif

[LoneyROY7]

Since 05, sure, I guess it's at least remotely close. But still...

05 - Wade
06 - Kobe
07 - Kobe
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - Kobe
11 - Wade
12 - Kobe

Sure, disagree with that all you want, but I really don't feel like arguing in circles with you. Take it or leave it.

How can you possibly give Kobe BOTH '09 and '06?

In '09 Wade had the superior statistical regular season, yet Kobe's team performed much better and won the championship. Whereas in '06 it was vice versa...Kobe had the superior statistical regular season, while Wade's team performed much better and won the championship (with Wade also dominating the Finals).

You can't give Kobe both without completely contradicting yourself.

[NumberSix]

I love how people completely disregard defense. Apparently when you compare players, PPG, FG% APG & RPG are the ONLY things that matter. Wade is obviously superior in the majority of these stats, but Kobe is still somehow better and "it's not even close". I can't see that.

For anyone who's not a biased homer/hater, it's obvious that this comparison is relatively close. I personally have Wade over Kobe, but if you tell me you have Kobe over Wade, I won't argue with that as long as you admit it's close. Which ever guy you have on top of the other, it's not a large gap by any means.

[Nash-tastic]

Since 05, sure, I guess it's at least remotely close. But still...

05 - Wade
06 - Kobe
07 - Kobe
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - Kobe
11 - Wade
12 - Kobe

Sure, disagree with that all you want, but I really don't feel like arguing in circles with you. Take it or leave it.
IMO Wade was better in 09 and 10

[iDefend5]

How can you possibly give Kobe BOTH '09 and '06?
.
Because he was better both times