Bucks/Warriors trade: Monta Ellis, Udoh, Kwame for Bogut, S-Jax

[NBA2k-Monster23]

Bucks and Warriors agree to trade sending Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson for Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh and Kwame Brown.

Full details: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9421

[All Net]

No way...Sjax back to GS? :lol

[KeyNote]

who would've thought? LOL

[KBryant24]

wow. monta is so much better than bogut. i can't believe this

[Clippersfan86]

Good for both teams! Bucks badly need a scorer to carry the load.... Warriors badly need a good post player and defender down low.

[roffie]

omg... ellis

[longtime lurker]

what a shitty trade for the Bucks. Thought Bogut has more value than that. A Monta/Jennings backcourt :lol Way to drop the ball Orlando!

[Bosnian Sajo]

Thats ****ing awesome, Sjax gonna go apeshit again and GS will be the most exciting team in the league! :oldlol:

Sad to see Monta go to an almost identical situation now in Milwaukee. Shoot first PG (jennings), no real C (Gooden?). At least he now has a beast SF/PF in Ersan.

[Dubs510]

lmao. wow jax back in gs

[InspiredLebowski]

My boy Udoh's time to shine! I bet Skiles loves him.

[Xiao Yao You]

wow. monta is so much better than bogut. i can't believe this

If Bogut can get healthy I'll take the most well rounded center in the world over an undersized scoring guard. Plus they get more size, D and 3 point shooting on the wing though he is a huge head case.

[RRR3]

Poor Monta if so :( At least he'll start making all-star games, though

[bagelred]

This is a grown man move.
Now that's getting it done.

[All Net]

GS now have a good big...

[Poodle]

looks pretty believable other than GS wanting SJax back. but i know he was boys with the GM there a while back....

GS gets a much less talented bigger headcase chucker back and Monta goes to one of the boringest teams to watch in the league :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

My boy Udoh's time to shine! I bet Skiles loves him.

You would think.


At least he now has a beast SF/PF in Ersan.

For a couple months anyway.

[R.I.P.]

Knicks fans just having heartattacks. Bucks add three players to their roster for two guys that barely played all year. :lol

[AMISTILLILL]

Well, I suppose this means GSW have thrown their hands up in regards to the Dwight Howard sweepstakes.

[RRR3]

Monta Ellis is the Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA

[Glide2keva]

No way...Sjax back to GS? :lol
Bloods gonna have a big welcom home party

[Clocian-IGN]

A jennings/ellis back court?

[outbreak]

Good deal for both teams. Boguts worth that his injuries have been mainly freak injuries and GS really do need a centre. I expect Jennings to be heavily shopped now

[AMISTILLILL]

Jennings to Orlando :bowdown:

[bagelred]

Poor Monta if so :( At least he'll start making all-star games, though

:wtf:

[TaLvsCuaL]

It certainly seems reasonable for the Bucks, Jackson was not playing, and Bogut has injury problems.

[R.I.P.]

Good deal for both teams. Boguts worth that his injuries have been mainly freak injuries and GS really do need a centre. I expect Jennings to be heavily shopped now

No way. The Bucks are a franchise that fails to attract top players. They

[RRR3]

:wtf:
Less competiton at the guard spots in the East IMO.

[roffie]

did GS give up too much for bogut? i mean, he barely plays..... im quite disappointed. if bogut was less injury prone, i'll say this deal would be great. but hes not.

[Celtic_Pride]

Knicks fans just having heartattacks. Bucks add three players to their roster for two guys that barely played all year. :lol

I came here to post about this. Bucks got better for this year. About time Knicks get their sh*t together!

[ganja0710]

Bye Bye Dwight...

[Whoah10115]

If I'm Milwaukee I'd rather have Curry and if I'm Golden State I'd rather have Monta.



If you have Klay Thompson...He's either a SG who will play SF on a running team, or he's a big SG...and he can actually play defense (wow Golden State).



If you have Curry...you have a SG who can play some point (a little like Ray Allen), but first and foremost an all-time shooter...why do I want him and Klay together?



If I'm Milwaukee I want Curry because his contract is smaller and I have Brandon Jennings (at least for now). Jennings is a PG with a SG's mentality. Monta is a SG who loves to dominate the ball and plays a similar style. Curry is a SG who has played only as a PG in the NBA...but he's a willing passer, plays within the offense. And he's a terrific shooter. He's a much better partner for Jennings than Monta Ellis. And again, he's on his rookie contract and if I'm Milwaukee, then I suck...and I wanna get rid of salary.

[dunksby]

Damn Bucks got away with rape and armed robbery :lol

[bagelred]

Damn Bucks got away with rape and armed robbery :lol

:no:

The one thing that's tough to get is a legitimate franchise center. Even with Bogut's injury history, this is the right play for GSW.

[Poodle]

WOW NBA TV just confirmed this was agreed to in principle

GS could have done better for Monta :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

on the bright side maybe Nate gets to start?

[icewill36]

its a good move for the bucks since bogut is never healthy, theyre used to playing without him anyway. bucks are going to make a stong push to stay in that 8th seed, the knicks better get it together.

[GOBB]

"Ellis is the best finisher under the rim that can not dunk" - Webber on NBATV

Uhhh, Monta dunks Webber :confusedshrug:


This trade sucks because its nothing spectacular about it. I cant get up for either team trade.

[Blue&Orange]

Damn, Bucks was a possible Amare in case of fire break the glass thing. Jackson bad contract was needed for that to happen.

[talkingconch]

@WojYahooNBA: Y! Sources: Golden State trades Monta Ellis to Bucks for Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson as part of 5-player deal

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[outbreak]

:no:

The one thing that's tough to get is a legitimate franchise center. Even with Bogut's injury history, this is the right play for GSW.

I agree, this isn't like Oden where he's going down to chronic knee issues he's been out with random broken bones from being knocked over/falling/landing on other players.

[All Net]

I would rather move Curry given his injury issues...

[MeLO MvP 15]

I like the idea of it for GSW, it'd obviously be amazing for them if Bogut is even somewhat healthy... but we all know that's really a long shot for him.

For Milwaukee.... jeez, I guess they could use another guard/scorer, but a Jennings-Ellis backcourt seems kinda redundant. I actually like Udoh so that could help them.

I'm personally scared because the 2nd to last time Milwaukee made a trade like this (not the Jackson trade, I'm talking about the Salmons deal) they went hot as hell to finish the season. I mean it's funny because each of those deals went in complete different directions for Milwaukee... I'd imagine this one be more of in between.

[Xiao Yao You]

If I'm Milwaukee I'd rather have Curry and if I'm Golden State I'd rather have Monta.



If you have Klay Thompson...He's either a SG who will play SF on a running team, or he's a big SG...and he can actually play defense (wow Golden State).



If you have Curry...you have a SG who can play some point (a little like Ray Allen), but first and foremost an all-time shooter...why do I want him and Klay together?



If I'm Milwaukee I want Curry because his contract is smaller and I have Brandon Jennings (at least for now). Jennings is a PG with a SG's mentality. Monta is a SG who loves to dominate the ball and plays a similar style. Curry is a SG who has played only as a PG in the NBA...but he's a willing passer, plays within the offense. And he's a terrific shooter. He's a much better partner for Jennings than Monta Ellis. And again, he's on his rookie contract and if I'm Milwaukee, then I suck...and I wanna get rid of salary.

They trade away a guy with a broken ankle for a guy that's looking like another Grant Hill tragedy?

[Doranku]

Monta and Jennings backcourt?

Will anyone else touch the ball?

[talkingconch]

Damn Bucks got away with rape and armed robbery :lol
golden state gets bogut, they get rid of one of two monta/curry

if curry comes back healthy, good for GSW

this would have been even better for golden state if they have gave curry instead, looks like they really believe in him

[LJJ]

what a shitty trade for the Bucks. Thought Bogut has more value than that.

What the hell makes you think that? Bogut is a very good defensive big in the NBA. He's also not that great offensively, picks up injuries every other game and he'll probably never return to his prime form.

Meanwhile Monta Ellis is a guy who can get you 20+ points per game every night no questions asked and carry the entire offense night in night out. He's not a superstar or anything, but he's easily on Bogut's level, even when Bogut is healthy.

[Killbot]

I can't believe GS wants Sjax back. :facepalm

[Bosnian Sajo]

Its official:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7683412/milwaukee-bucks-trade-andrew-bogut-stephen-jackson-golden-state-warriors-monta-ellis-source-says

[longtime lurker]

Gstate is going to a more traditional style team with 2 bigs and a tall back court (Curry+Thompson). Don't know why the hell they didn't amnesty Biedrins.

[InspiredLebowski]

So who's coaching the Bucks next year? Sure as hell won't be Skiles.

[konex]

Highway robbery by the Bucks

[IGOTGAME]

This move makes the Bucks a good deal better. Good move. They may secure that 8th spot now.

[Whoah10115]

They trade away a guy with a broken ankle for a guy that's looking like another Grant Hill tragedy?





Going too far but I actually thought of something better.




Include Jennings in the deal...and if anything, make Golden State take on Udrih's contract...or maybe Mbah A Moute...tho Milwaukee might actually wanna keep him. And/or include Jeremy Tyler going to Milwaukee.




This guy, Larry Sanders...what position is he gonna play? He looks like a legit defender and shot-blocker with a great motor.

[The Ownage]

I don't understand this deal for the Bucks.

[talkingconch]

and there goes Dwight LOL!

[dunksby]

golden state gets bogut, they get rid of one of two monta/curry

if curry comes back healthy, good for GSW

this would have been even better for golden state if they have gave curry instead, looks like they really believe in him
They dealt the healthy one and now will end up with two talented but very injury prone players.

[SpecialQue]

Playoffs!!!!!

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I've got a feeling one more trade will be confirmed tonight.

[InspiredLebowski]

I don't understand this deal for the Bucks.They got Ellis! He scores a lot of points sometimes! He's great!

[longtime lurker]

Knicks front office and entire coaching staff to commit suicide.

[Clocian-IGN]

looks like the knicks will miss the playoffs...

[AMISTILLILL]

The Bucks HAVE To be actively shopping Jennings after this move. A Jennings/Ellis back court is like Golden State 2.0... high energy and fun to watch, but ultimately isn't going to make you a contender. Particularly with the Bucks trying to become relevant in top heavy eastern conference.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You have to remember, Bogut has only played 12 games this season...the Bucks are an 8th seed atm and did it with Sjax hardly playing and Bogut getting injured early on. So basically this is just adding a great SG and quality backup bigs for Milwaukee while giving up nothing they used to become an 8th seed...they actually do get better, hopefully can secure a playoff spot.

[The Ownage]

They got Ellis! He scores a lot of points sometimes! He's great!
:lol Thanks for clearing that up. I meant who will replace the center spot? I don't know enough about their lineup/bench.

EDIT: :facepalm Kwame brown is in the deal too. Silly me.

[ZeN]

Jennings might be on the way out.. The Bucks org. was already vexed by his comments in the media about looking at other options.. So it may be that Ellis is the replacement.

[Kujo]

A Jennings, and Ellis back court. Very interesting. Two ball dominant guards who love jacking up shots. Not sure if it'll work, but it will be fun to watch.

GS sure gave a lot for an injury prone center, and a head case.

Bucks won this trade in a landslide. They should make the playoffs for sure now.

[talkingconch]

:lol Thanks for clearing that up. I meant who will replace the center spot? I don't know enough about their lineup/bench.
Delfino?

[ballashotcalla]

Terrible deal for GSW.

Ellis is a star and you need to get a star back.

GSW should've also thrown Biedrens in the deal.

[InspiredLebowski]

:lol Thanks for clearing that up. I meant who will replace the center spot? I don't know enough about their lineup/bench.

EDIT: :facepalm Kwame brown is in the deal too. Silly me.Kwame's out for the year. So I guess...Gooden? Hopefully Udoh, even though he's more of a 4.

[RRR3]

Jennings might be on the way out.. The Bucks org. was already vexed by his comments in the media about looking at other options.. So it may be that Ellis is the replacement.
I want to see Monta go to a contender and play PG so he's not undersized or play 6th man. He shouldn't have to waste his prime on teams that are bad fits for him. I mean, if Jennings is traded, he'll get to take about 100 shots a game on the Bucks, I guess, but still

[k0kakw0rld]

The end of the best duo in the nba Monta & Steph
It is time for Monta & Jennings :cheers:

[talkingconch]

@daldridgetnt: Bogut had asked to be traded in recent weeks, according to a source. After all his injuries, Bucks weren't sure of his long-term viability.

[Xiao Yao You]

Looks like the Jazz won't get the GS pick this year. They are tanking it with Bogut out probably for the year and Curry and his problems. Stephen Jackson and David Lee won't get it done.

[talkingconch]

@WojYahooNBA: The Bucks still plan to keep Brandon Jennings, as @SpearsNBAYahoo reported yesterday. GM John Hammond made deal to pair Jennings and Ellis.
looks like there keeping Jennings lol

[Bosnian Sajo]

Kwame's out for the year. So I guess...Gooden? Hopefully Udoh, even though he's more of a 4.

Gooden has been the starting center while Bogut has been out, no?

[konex]

I'm happy for Monta. He'll finally make the ASG now

[Rose]

Love it for the Warriors.

For the Bucks, I guess its good as someone else said...they gave up no one they used this year, so it should help them out.

[Killbot]

@daldridgetnt: Bogut had asked to be traded in recent weeks, according to a source. After all his injuries, Bucks weren't sure of his long-term viability.

Wow. I would have never thought a person like Bogut would ask to be traded. At least he did it in secrecy.

[IGotACoolStory]

Somehow I feel like both teams got a raw deal, both teams got better, and both teams are going to regret this in the long run.

[Killbot]

Love it for the Warriors.

For the Bucks, I guess its good as someone else said...they gave up no one they used this year, so it should help them out.

You got your wish! :banana:

[InspiredLebowski]

Gooden has been the starting center while Bogut has been out, no?No idea. I pay no attention to the Bucks.

[Xiao Yao You]

Kwame's out for the year.

He had a chance of returning didn't he?


I want to see Monta go to a contender and play PG so he's not undersized or play 6th man. He shouldn't have to waste his prime on teams that are bad fits for him.

He's not a pg. 6th man would be ideal for him but he makes too much money.

[GOBB]

:roll: Monta 6th man? Stop.

[Xiao Yao You]

I would have never thought a person like Bogut would ask to be traded.

Yeah hard to believe a player not getting along with Skiles. :rolleyes:

[RRR3]

He had a chance of returning didn't he?



He's not a pg. 6th man would be ideal for him but he makes too much money.
Russell Westbrook plays PG, Monta could do it. He could be a great scoring PG if he was on a team that was built to fit his playing style.

[El Jomol]

Gooden has been the starting center while Bogut has been out, no?

Yes.

[Rose]

You got your wish! :banana:
OH SHIT I DID. I forgot about that!:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DMV2]

Poor Monta if so :( At least he'll start making all-star games, though
And the playoffs too.

Shouldn't feel too bad, he's in a better place than Oakland even if there's less fans in Milwaukee.

[RRR3]

And the playoffs.

Shouldn't feel too bad, he's in a better place than Oakland even if there's less fans in Milwaukee.
Monta has been in the playoffs before (remember when GS beat the Mavs way back?). And I guess, but the Bucks will just get owned in the first round

[Zenji]

So Golden State now has Curry and Bogut... two guys who are always hurt. Bucks now have Jennings & Monta... some one is getting stabbed.

Two bad teams make a deal and the outcome is they are still bad.

http://www.pxleyes.com/images/users/S/Sarah06/2982/fullsize/4d9b433a7c2c9.gif

Nothing to see here move along.

[All Net]

Wow. I would have never thought a person like Bogut would ask to be traded. At least he did it in secrecy.

Surprised it didn't get out.

[baseketball4life]

unbelievably terrible deal for gSW. Udoh himself is near Bogut value IMO now. Bogut broken down and injury prone, Udoh just breaking out and displaying a great effect on the outcome of games with his defensive presence and solid offensive play. I think GSW pretty much added Ellis for nothing, and Ellis is their most valuable piece that was supposed to bring in a star.

[GOBB]

unbelievably terrible deal for gSW. Udoh himself is near Bogut value IMO now. Bogut broken down and injury prone, Udoh just breaking out and displaying a great effect on the outcome of games with his defensive presence and solid offensive play. I think GSW pretty much added Ellis for nothing, and Ellis is their most valuable piece that was supposed to bring in a star.

Sjax is gonna cry about a contraxt extension next year.

[baseketball4life]

Sjax is gonna cry about a contraxt extension next year.
I'm fuming.... I hope S-Jax is bought out somehow, but this FO is retarded. I'm speechless, they couldn't have bucked up trading Ellis any more than they did. Udoh was one of maybe 2 players on the team I didn't want to move (Thompson the other).

[KeyNote]

I'm fuming.... I hope S-Jax is bought out somehow, but this FO is retarded. I'm speechless, they couldn't have bucked up trading Ellis any more than they did. Udoh was one of maybe 2 players on the team I didn't want to move (Thompson the other).

SJAX won't be bought out..Woj just Retweeted

[baseketball4life]

SJAX won't be bought out..Woj just Retweeted
shoot me now.

Bring in that retard to stunt the growth of Klay Thompson, the last remaining piece on our team really, not counting Curry due to his vag.

[CLTHornets4eva]

unbelievably terrible deal for gSW. Udoh himself is near Bogut value IMO now. Bogut broken down and injury prone, Udoh just breaking out and displaying a great effect on the outcome of games with his defensive presence and solid offensive play. I think GSW pretty much added Ellis for nothing, and Ellis is their most valuable piece that was supposed to bring in a star.

Disagree. Bucks have created a the most selfish backcourt in NBA history. I can't wait to see what is going to happen with that over the next couple years.

[Cali Syndicate]

Warriors got what they wanted, a big man to protect the paint. Now it's just a matter of how to get Bogut healthy on the court....

Curry too.

A healthy Bogut and Lee will be pretty damn sweet though.

And finally get to see if Curry can play up to his potential.

[bmulls]

Bogut/Lee will be a top 5 frontcourt, and if Steph Curry can stay healthy that is a very solid core.

Maybe SJax will quit acting like a dumbass now that he's back in GS. He could probably help that team out quite a bit.

[Poodle]

Disagree. Bucks have created a the most selfish backcourt in NBA history. I can't wait to see what is going to happen with that over the next couple years.

you never know until they play...

and monta wasn't always a chucker

[CLTHornets4eva]

you never know until they play...

Do-you-know-who-Monta-Ellis-and-Brandon-Jennings-are,-poodle? :facepalm

You don't need to watch them to know what is going to happen between those two.

[BlackVVaves]

Disagree. Bucks have created a the most selfish backcourt in NBA history. I can't wait to see what is going to happen with that over the next couple years.

Even so, they have two very intriguing pieces that can serve as great trade assets down the road. For now, they get the additional scoring they needed in a SERIOUS way, adding Monta to their team without giving up any players that were playing well in this stretch (Neither Bogut not Sjax have seen much playing time this season, and of late.)

The Warriors, what, are they run by an aslyum or something? :oldlol: You gave up your best trade asset for a center that makes Bynum's knees look like concrete, and a nut case that will more likely than not be leaving your team in the forseeable future when his contract is up? No incoming picks, no young players to look foward to developing.

And Mark Jackson guaranteed playoffs pre-season :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Bogut/Lee will be a top 5 frontcourt, and if Steph Curry can stay healthy that is a very solid core.

Maybe SJax will quit acting like a dumbass now that he's back in GS. He could probably help that team out quite a bit.

All that might happen except for the Stephen Jackson part. Once a dumbass. He's just an expiring contract for next season.

[R.I.P.]

Originally Posted by Killbot
Wow. I would have never thought a person like Bogut would ask to be traded. At least he did it in secrecy.


Surprised it didn't get out.

It

[outbreak]

Even so, they have two very intriguing pieces that can serve as great trade assets down the road. For now, they get the additional scoring they needed in a SERIOUS way, adding Monta to their team without giving up any players that were playing well in this stretch (Neither Bogut not Sjax have seen much playing time this season, and of late.)

The Warriors, what, are they run by an aslyum or something? :oldlol: You gave up your best trade asset for a center that makes Bynum's knees look like concrete, and a nut case that will more likely than not be leaving your team in the forseeable future when his contract is up? No incoming picks, no young players to look foward to developing.

And Mark Jackson guaranteed playoffs pre-season :roll:

Has bogut ever had a knee injury? I thought it was a sprained ankle, broken arm and shoulder from fall and then sprained ankle by landing on a player?

[BlackVVaves]

Has bogut ever had a knee injury? I thought it was a sprained ankle, broken arm and shoulder from fall and then sprained ankle by landing on a player?

Not comparing where the injury occurred, but the durability of the player.

[Xiao Yao You]

You gave up your best trade asset for a center that makes Bynum's knees look like concrete, and a nut case that will more likely than not be leaving your team in the forseeable future when his contract is up? No incoming picks, no young players to look foward to developing.

:

Bogut has had a couple unfortunate injuries. He's still young. Wouldn't count him out yet. It's a gamble but if it pays off it could be worth it. They get a high pick now with this trade instead of giving it to Utah if they finish 7th from the bottom or lower. A healthy Bogut, Curry with Lee, Thompson and the stud they get in the draft and they are looking pretty good along with Jackson's contract that expires after next year so he becomes more valuable by the day.

[outbreak]

Not comparing where the injury occurred, but the durability of the player.

Still a bad comparison when Boguts are freak injuries and Bynum has legit knee problems that require regular injections of lubricant and could pop at any time

[heavensdevil]

Deal is done. :applause:

[Qwyjibo]

I like this deal for Golden State.

Obviously everything for them hinges on Bogut not getting these ridiculous injuries anymore. Monta Ellis isn't some untouchable player though where this should be considered some big risk unless they had other deals on the table for Ellis.

[BlackVVaves]

Still a bad comparison when Boguts are freak injuries and Bynum has legit knee problems that require regular injections of lubricant and could pop at any time

How many times can injuries be called freak injuries until they are just called injuries? When they happen consistently in a player's career, I think a player's durability must be called into question.

So far Bynum hasn't missed any games this season, knock on wood.

[Schism]

Yeah, Bogut will play very well with Curry at the medical center. :facepalm

[CelticBaller]

Yeah, Bogut will play very well with Curry at the medical center. :facepalm
:oldlol:
is the rockets all over again :lol

[Poodle]

haha GS's players were all asking if the season was over before their game tonight...they weren't happy about the trade supposedly :lol

i don't blame them. GS's GM is so dumb.

[clayton]

Now send Baron Davis back to GS. :D

[roffie]

:lol
:oldlol:
is the rockets all over again :lol

[BlueCrayon]

wtf? They already gave up on Udoh?

[niko]

haha GS's players were all asking if the season was over before their game tonight...they weren't happy about the trade supposedly :lol

i don't blame them. GS's GM is so dumb.
THey only get to keep their pick this year if it's 7 or less. They are tanking.

[InspiredLebowski]

I'm pretty sure over the offseason the reports were that Bogut would basically never be the same as he was before the arm. It'll be a lifelong thing.

[yanix]

this trade is shocking
if you want to put Jackson on GSW, at least play him with Monta

[c3z4r]

Why didn't the lakers trade gasol + filler for ellis+udoh and kwame. They would have added much needed depth, along with a young piece(udoh) and a good rebounder and defensive player in kwame and much needed offensive firepower.

[PP34Deuce]

Sounds like GSW are investing all in with Curry.

Bogut and Lee make a smart efficient front court with underrated athletiscm, and good size. Both can shoot the 17 foot jumper and rebound.

Curry is going to be great next season. He's had unfortunate bad luck.

[G-train]

I think you can talk all day about how the GSW wanted to upgrade centre, but the facts are that Monta Ellis is a much better player than Bogut and they should have gotten more out of the deal, and on top of that they sold Udoh as well.
Pretty bad trade for GSW.

[Draz]

GS got raped in this.

[bagelred]

GS got raped in this.

When Bogut starts dominating next season, you'll feel differently.

[CelticBaller]

When Bogut starts dominating next season, you'll feel differently.
lol bogut will never be the same

NEVER

[G-train]

When Bogut starts dominating next season, you'll feel differently.

Bogut isn't a dominating player. But he is a good player. Monta is a dominating player. And they also traded Udoh. Bad trade.

[Xiao Yao You]

THey only get to keep their pick this year if it's 7 or less. They are tanking.

Definitely!


It'll be a lifelong thing.

He was supposed to be 100% this year I believe. The extra time because of the lockout helped him. I'd be more worried about Curry's ankle.


Monta Ellis is a much better player than Bogut



Bogut isn't a dominating player. But he is a good player. Monta is a dominating player.

Bogut's better. Makes his teammates better. He has a well rounded game. Monta is one dimensional and undersized.

[ace23]

Didn't even know Stephen Jackson was still in the league, TBH. :lol

Terribe trade for the Warriors.

[G-train]

Definitely!



He was supposed to be 100% this year I believe. The extra time because of the lockout helped him. I'd be more worried about Curry's ankle.





Bogut's better. Makes his teammates better. He has a well rounded game. Monta is one dimensional and undersized.

I have watched his entire career and he is a good player and team mate, but he is not better than Ellis who is essentially not far behind Rose and Westbrook.
On top of that Bogut is extremely injury prone with various ailments, his body is not up to the rigours of NBA seasons.
He is a well rounded player, but Monta is worth much more IMO. And they gave up a talented young 5 as well in Udoh.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yall watchin Monta's interview on NBAtv? They didn't even inform him he got traded, he read it on the tv...wow

[QuebecBaller]

On top of that Curry is extremely injury prone with various ailments, his body is not up to the rigours of NBA seasons.
He is a well rounded player, but Monta is worth much more IMO. And they gave up a talented young 5 as well in Udoh.

It works with this player too :lol

[Lebron23]

Brandon Jennings and Monta Ellis another undersized back court.

[Xiao Yao You]

I have watched his entire career and he is a good player and team mate, but he is not better than Ellis who is essentially not far behind Rose and Westbrook.


When he leads or co leads a top team get back to me. He's shown he's one of the best scorers in the league and not a whole lot more. I'd take a healthy Bogut anyday.

[EricGordon23]

Bucks are in my top 3 teams now!

[InspiredLebowski]

Wonder what happens with Bogut's fan section in Milwaukee? Section 6 or something like that?

[magic chiongson]

GS got the better end of the deal, even with bogut only playing 70 games per season for the rest of his career

[hawksdogsbraves]

I like this trade for the Warriors.

[Jasper]

100% blame it on Skiles

1) not playing and getting along with JAX
2) Bogut for Ellis :facepalm

The Bucks hav Kwame ..... but he is out for the season..

So are the Bucks in the playoff's this year ??? :confusedshrug:
if Bogut would be back as expected before the playoff's = YES


What a terrible trade

Let's all of us bow down to Skiles ball licking Jennings as the new savior :no:

[Ian]

As a Bucks fan I don't know what to make of this yet.

Sad to see Bogut go. GS fans-- You're getting a really classy guy that has a passion for the game. When healthy, he's a top 5 center in the NBA, no question. Arguably top 3. One of the best passing centers. Above average bball IQ. Really well-rounded game...

Unfortunately he's always injured. And I mean, always. Aside from his major injuries he'll also randomly miss games from time to time. It's either migraines or back spasms. They're never-ending. It's very frustrating. If he can somehow get it together, though...the Warriors have their center of the future. He's everything you would want at the 5.

I'm glad SJax is gone and I'm excited about Ellis and Udoh. The big questions are...

-How will Ellis react to Skiles and his defensive mindset?
-How will Jennings and Ellis coexist?
-Will Ersan still be traded?

[WeGetRing2012]

I don't really like this team for either team. GS could have gotten more for Ellis.

[Rekindled]

100% blame it on Skiles

1) not playing and getting along with JAX
2) Bogut for Ellis :facepalm

The Bucks hav Kwame ..... but he is out for the season..

So are the Bucks in the playoff's this year ??? :confusedshrug:
if Bogut would be back as expected before the playoff's = YES


What a terrible trade

Let's all of us bow down to Skiles ball licking Jennings as the new savior :no:

dude bogut is like never healthy, he is pretty much greg oden part 2, also wtf has your team accomplished in 7 years with bogut, nothing.

[Lebron23]

dude bogut is like never healthy, he is pretty much greg oden part 2, also wtf has your team accomplished in 7 years with bogut, nothing.

I agree.

[Poodle]

100% blame it on Skiles

1) not playing and getting along with JAX
2) Bogut for Ellis :facepalm

The Bucks hav Kwame ..... but he is out for the season..

So are the Bucks in the playoff's this year ??? :confusedshrug:
if Bogut would be back as expected before the playoff's = YES


What a terrible trade

Let's all of us bow down to Skiles ball licking Jennings as the new savior :no:


lol how can you blame a coach for not getting along with SJax? :lol

[boozehound]

wow, terrible trade for the bucks. Ellis is hot garbage, brown is a serviceable if uninspiring big and udoh is a great unknown with pretty limited upside. For Bogut (top 3 defensive center, prob top 5 offensive center) and sJax (sure a cancer and chucker, but a very versatile player). I dont see ellis for bogut being close to even, and the other pieces dont sway that. Gotta think biedrins is done there.

[boozehound]

I don't really like this team for either team. GS could have gotten more for Ellis.
you are insane. hes basically the least efficient scorer (of any magnitude) in the league and a complete hole on defense. To move him, a project and an injured player for two starters on most teams in the league is a coup in my book.

[Xiao Yao You]

dude bogut is like never healthy, he is pretty much greg oden part 2, also wtf has your team accomplished in 7 years with bogut, nothing.

How did he get his contract and make all-NBA if he's another Oden?:confusedshrug:

[StroShow4]

Ellis is hot garbage

9th leading scorer in the league isn't "hot garbage."

[Lebron23]

How did he get his contract and make all-NBA if he's another Oden?:confusedshrug:


The Center position is weak. Bogut only played 6 games in his playoffs career.

[G-train]

wow, terrible trade for the bucks. Ellis is hot garbage, brown is a serviceable if uninspiring big and udoh is a great unknown with pretty limited upside. For Bogut (top 3 defensive center, prob top 5 offensive center) and sJax (sure a cancer and chucker, but a very versatile player). I dont see ellis for bogut being close to even, and the other pieces dont sway that. Gotta think biedrins is done there.

lots of total BS in this post

Ellis is a brilliant player.
Bogut is a prone good starter. Really prone.
S-Jax is cooked.
Udoh is a good young prospect.

[hawkfan]

Brook Lopez will probably get a big offer from Milwaukee - full max. Would the Nets match?

[bagelred]

Bogut got so excited, he started jumping up and down, tripped, and broke his other arm.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Center position is weak. Bogut only played 6 games in his playoffs career.

Had a ton of talent around him! :oldlol:

Looks like they're trying to trade Jackson maybe to Orlando to appease Dwight.


Would the Nets match?

Might be stupid enough if they don't get Dwight and or Deron.

[Ian]

Wonder what happens with Bogut's fan section in Milwaukee? Section 6 or something like that?

Andrew already paid for season tickets for everyone in Squad 6, so it'll still be here the rest of the year...I think.

As for the future...maybe another player will do the same. Come on Delfino...

[Xiao Yao You]

Anyone know the protection on Utah's GS pick for next season if any? Definitely a bad trade for the Jazz today. GS obviously tanking it. Jazz might follow suit. They lose their own pick if they make playoffs.

[LockoutOver11]

ew ellis a buck. that team needs to go away. *** milwaukee..

[baseketball4life]

Yall watchin Monta's interview on NBAtv? They didn't even inform him he got traded, he read it on the tv...wow
nowadays with the media stuff leaks out faster than we can believe...

[alenleomessi]

Knicks playoff hopes are in serious danger...

[Whoah10115]

When Bogut starts dominating next season, you'll feel differently.



Doesn't matter. They still should have gotten more. They should have gotten Ellis and, if anything, take on a small contract or the guy with the fun name.




Jennings would be better with Curry as the SG. And Curry at SG is better than Curry at PG.

[bdreason]

Love the trade for us. Udoh is a bust, and Monta, although a great scorer, doesn't playing winning basketball.


Not sure what the Bucks are thinking. :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

And a focused, motivated SJax is still a starting caliber player.

[Brujesino]

Losing Ekpe is the part that really stings, solid big off the bench but i guess we may be able to get alot of those players.

Also i think we should have traded curry instead of ellis.Now we have two injury prone players at key positions.

[Deltron3030]

The fact is, quality big men are hard to come by. Warriors have been chasing the future for decades with the exception of the "we believe" year. They weren't going to get a quality big men better than Bogut. Teams just don't trade them usually. The problem is, he is injury prone but you hope that can change.

I think the Warriors have enough talent to still put up points if they can stay healthy, which by looking at their roster, two of their 5 starters (Bogut/Curry) both miss 25-30 games a year.

With that said, as a Warrior fan, I like the trade. We haven't done anything with Monta. You have to throw out your emotion for the player you love and try to build a team that can win. They can now guard bigs while still putting up points IF healthy.

The one problem I hate about the trade was not getting rid of Biedrins and keeping Udoh instead. I think the bucks got away with one on that end of the trade.

[baseketball4life]

Losing Ekpe is the part that really stings, solid big off the bench but i guess we may be able to get alot of those players.

Also i think we should have traded curry instead of ellis.Now we have two injury prone players at key positions.

no one wants Curry for those reasons. Ekpe is more than a big off the bench, he is going to be one of the best defensive bigs year after year. If you factor in that it would be a miracle if Bogut DOESN'T miss 20+ games per year after this year, I'd rather own Udoh as a NBA GM. Throw in Monta for nothing on the side? terrible. :facepalm

[bdreason]

I watch almost every Warriors game, and Udoh was never going to pan out. He isn't a great man defender, help defender, or shot blocker, and he has no offensive skill set. I shouldn't call him a bust, but he won't be an all-star caliber PF/C in the NBA, ever.



If only we had just taken the obvious pick in Greg Monroe (he was top of EVERYONES draft board).

[Brujesino]

I watch almost every Warriors game, and Udoh was never going to pan out. He isn't a great man defender, help defender, or shot blocker, and he has no offensive skill set. I shouldn't call him a bust, but he won't be an all-star caliber PF/C in the NBA, ever.



If only we had just taken the obvious pick in Greg Monroe (he was top of EVERYONES draft board).
1-No not a great defender but a good defender with more weight he could become a great defender.

2-Well everyone always passes by every player on the team so he has to kinda stay around the paint.

3-In his 2 years playing he has been in the top ten in blocks per game.Averages 1.7 a game if anything thats the best part of his game.

We get a injury prone Center and then we have Andris as a backup.We got screwed there we needed to keep udoh.

[bdreason]

I wanted to move Biedrins too, but no way Bucks take that deal. My exact trade I suggested 3 days ago was;


Monta, Biedrins, and Wright

for

Bogut and Jackson

[SacJB Shady]

I am so so so stoked for this trade. Here is the real reason why. Even if Bogut doesn't work out well next year, let me ask you this. Have they ever won with Monta leading the team? The answer is no, they have never had a winning season with Monta being the captain. Never. And tonight they won by 26 without him. What's the worst that can happen? The worst that can happen is Bogut is a bust and they get a lottery pick.

But that probably isn't the case. If Bogut is healthy, the Warriors are a new team period. They will have 2 of the best rebounding men in the league at their positions, plus 2 quality big man who can pass the ball well. They will fit Steph Curry better than they could fit Monta Ellis. I love this trade so much.

Warriors fans may not see the value now, but next year this ball club will be a different team. Bogut when healthy is one of the top 5 to 10 centers in the game. with Curry and Thompson, you won't get any worse than you are right now. This is gonna be a risk, but I like this better than anything they have ever done..

Any quality CENTER that you get other than Howard is injury prone. Kaman, Bynum, Lopez, etc.. You have to gamble and overpay a big man in the NBA, that is just how it works.

Monta didn't help the warriors win in anyway and getting a center was their number one priority. Unless were getting Dwight Howard, there isn't a center I would want instead of a healthy Andrew Bogut. This is so ideal.

Lastly, the last time the warriors got Stephen Jackson, he was coming off a team that didn't want him. Now... He is coming off a team that didn't want him and to play for Mark Jackson. Hmmm... Seems kind of similar.

Oh and I played nba 2k and traded the dubs to make this lineup. It was 45 to 43 Sixers up with 3 seconds left. BTW i always lose in this video game. Then Curry hits a game winning 3 over Iggy. This is a sign. I am SOOOOOO SOOOOO SOOOOOO STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!

THE WARRIORS ARE NO LONGER SMALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[baseketball4life]

I watch almost every Warriors game, and Udoh was never going to pan out. He isn't a great man defender, help defender, or shot blocker, and he has no offensive skill set. I shouldn't call him a bust, but he won't be an all-star caliber PF/C in the NBA, ever.



If only we had just taken the obvious pick in Greg Monroe (he was top of EVERYONES draft board).
No offense but it seems like you have not watched much of Warriors basketball over the past month. When udoh is on the floor they were 8-3 basically. Udoh is a good man defender now and a good help defender now plus shot blocker I think he can become great at shot blocking and help defense plus very good at man defense. His offensive skill set is quite decent actually, he has been showing a good post game with jump hooks to either side plus face up and hit the 12-15 footer.

[SacJB Shady]

No offense but it seems like you have not watched much of Warriors basketball over the past month. When udoh is on the floor they were 8-3 basically. Udoh is a good man defender now and a good help defender now plus shot blocker I think he can become great at shot blocking and help defense plus very good at man defense. His offensive skill set is quite decent actually, he has been showing a good post game with jump hooks to either side plus face up and hit the 12-15 footer.


yes. but the warriors do need size eventually. now they have size, something they never had.

[Bodhi]

Bogut hasn't been the same player since the injury. 11/8 with a ts% of 46.6 That's frightening for a big man

[bigt]

My interest in the Bucks has now gone, and Golden State move up into like top three. Love seeing an Aussie out there doing his thing, and Bogut is a classy guy. Hope he and Curry can get healthy for next year and really push this team to it's abilities.

[SacJB Shady]

Bogut hasn't been the same player since the injury. 11/8 with a ts% of 46.6 That's frightening for a big man


its a step up from biedrins.

[JustinJDW]

Golden State made out like bandits in this trade.

First of all, Monta Ellis is being highly overrated in this thread. He's just another highly inefficient scoring PG who plays next to no defense, and has the basketball IQ of my left nut. Guy takes 30 shots to score 30 points, and even on nights when he's shooting at an high FG%, he gives those points right back up on defense. Dude can't defend a stationary rock.

He is no Russell Westbrook or Tony Parker. My mouth drops every time I hear people say he should be in the All-Star game. Give me a break. Simply put, guy doesn't play winning basketball. He can never be that reliable #1 or #2 scorer on a Championship team. Even though he's injury prone, going forward with Stephen Curry was a no brainer. Guy is a thousand times more efficient then Monta. Guy damn near shoots at a 50% clip. 45% from beyond the arc. That's just scary. Continuing on with Monta was just a dead end.

Andrew Bogut and David Lee is a hell of a frontcourt. I can't wait to see them in action. Defenses are going to be forced to key in on keeping them off the boards, and when you got lights out shooters like Curry and Steven Jackson on the perimeter, good luck. I guarantee you Mark Jackson is giggling like a school girl right now.

A Ellis-Jennings backcourt honestly sounds like a bad joke. If their inefficiency on offense won't kill you, their size will. That's an undersized backcourt even for undersized backcourts. They're going to get absolutely torched on defense.

Can't believe people think Milwaukee made out better in this trade. This thread is going to be hilarious a couple months from now.

[NuggetsFan]

Like a Steph Curry\Bogut combo. If they weren't so injury prone that'd be promising but seems like Bogut may never be the same player really, Curry seems like his ankles are bound to keep him held back as well.

Not sure what the Bucks are doing. Getting some more talent I suppose. Jennings\Ellis doesn't seem like the ideal backcourt, be fun to watch and probably put alot of pressure on teams offensively.

[baseketball4life]

yes. but the warriors do need size eventually. now they have size, something they never had.
does it count when the guy is off and on the court ?


Eventually all these injuries will be the end of Bogut if they aren't already

[baseketball4life]

its a step up from biedrins.
sure its an improvement, but at the cost of our most valuable asset. Could have gotten much more for Ellis than thin air that is Stephen Jackson

[baseketball4life]

I am so so so stoked for this trade. Here is the real reason why. Even if Bogut doesn't work out well next year, let me ask you this. Have they ever won with Monta leading the team? The answer is no, they have never had a winning season with Monta being the captain. Never. And tonight they won by 26 without him. What's the worst that can happen? The worst that can happen is Bogut is a bust and they get a lottery pick.

But that probably isn't the case. If Bogut is healthy, the Warriors are a new team period. They will have 2 of the best rebounding men in the league at their positions, plus 2 quality big man who can pass the ball well. They will fit Steph Curry better than they could fit Monta Ellis. I love this trade so much.

Warriors fans may not see the value now, but next year this ball club will be a different team. Bogut when healthy is one of the top 5 to 10 centers in the game. with Curry and Thompson, you won't get any worse than you are right now. This is gonna be a risk, but I like this better than anything they have ever done..

Any quality CENTER that you get other than Howard is injury prone. Kaman, Bynum, Lopez, etc.. You have to gamble and overpay a big man in the NBA, that is just how it works.

Monta didn't help the warriors win in anyway and getting a center was their number one priority. Unless were getting Dwight Howard, there isn't a center I would want instead of a healthy Andrew Bogut. This is so ideal.

Lastly, the last time the warriors got Stephen Jackson, he was coming off a team that didn't want him. Now... He is coming off a team that didn't want him and to play for Mark Jackson. Hmmm... Seems kind of similar.

Oh and I played nba 2k and traded the dubs to make this lineup. It was 45 to 43 Sixers up with 3 seconds left. BTW i always lose in this video game. Then Curry hits a game winning 3 over Iggy. This is a sign. I am SOOOOOO SOOOOO SOOOOOO STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!

THE WARRIORS ARE NO LONGER SMALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you are missing the part where Andrew Bogut is basically nothing because he can't stay on the court and has broken every bone in his body basically. Again if you are getting Andrew Bogut for 75-82 games a year this is a solid trade, but everyone knows you will be lucky to get 50 games out of Bogut next year after this latest serious injury that will keep him out for the rest of the season.

[El Kabong]

I like it for GS. Works well for the Bucks this year, giving them another scorer to go along with Jennings as well as another bigman to add to the rotation. Losing Jackson's salary next year will hopefully allow the Bucks to resign Illyosva next year.

[I<3NBA]

Warriors got the better end of the deal. who was the genius who thought pairing Monta with Jennings was a good idea? as if one chucker wasn't enough on your team, you get another one :facepalm

the Bucks were nipping at the heels of NY, but with this trade, they'll fall back down.

[SacJB Shady]

does it count when the guy is off and on the court ?


Eventually all these injuries will be the end of Bogut if they aren't already


How can you be so sure? Bogut has time to recover. He is not old yet.

[SacJB Shady]

Now i get 3 teams to root for. The Warriors, the Knicks, and the Bucks. Ha ha ha. It's exciting basketball. I know the Bucks won't make out with Monta and Jennings, but it's going to be heck of fun to watch it, especially when they play the Dubs on Friday night ha ha.

If Bogut is healthy and that is an if, then this is the best trade the Warriors could have gotten. While Udoh is good, he is not the gem that Bogut is. For the first time in forever literally forever, the Warriors have a very good front court tandem. They won't be the worst rebounding team anymore and they will be much much better on defense. If Bogut is healthy, i just don't see how they could go wrong. Bogut aint as fun to watch as Monta, that is for sure. But the first time in ages, the Warriors aren't small. They will have a 6 foot 7 guard in Klay Thompson. I am so stoked to see this...

Guys i made this trade on my Xbox and the results were fascinating. I usually lose in Xbox, especially when i ball hog with monta, but this time Curry hit a 3 at the buzzard to win. I just think it's a sign. Yes, it's only a video game, but this team was just much different without Monta. And in a good way.

[xtn5021]

LMAO....

The Warriors are tanking.

[SacJB Shady]

LMAO....

The Warriors are tanking.


read my above post.

[SacJB Shady]

Man you guys are all way too funny. Before Ellis was traded, people be saying that he is overrated, shoots too much, and too small. Now he's traded and everyone keeps saying Warriors traded one of the top scorers in the league!!!!!!

[Eric Cartman]

Bucks have a very gangsta backcourt.

[RonArtestsBalls]

I think only time will tell how this deal works out as a lot weighs on Bogut getting healthy.

If Bogut can get himself right and stay injury free, then the Warriors have come out massive winners.

I think not only have a lot of people forgot just how good Bogut can be when healthy, but playing in small market like Milwaukee, a lot of people have probably never had a great look at him either.

When healthy, he is arguably the best Defensive big man in the league. Not only is his man to man defense and shot blocking ability second to none, he draws a heap of charges as well.

Proving Curry can also stay healthy and they work out how to run a smooth offense, I think they can be a pretty decent team, maybe even better.

Of course, if neither curry nor bogut stay healthy, it could be a disaster.

[bigt]

I think people are writing off Bogut too quickly. This isn't some chronic issue that is constantly keeping him out for months, these are game accidents. The arm injury was a freak event, the foot injury can happen to anybody (especially a big). Does he have Dwight Howard's physical security? No but he's been freaky with his ability to stay healthy. Who knows, maybe the change of scenery will do him some good. Remember, Andrew Bynum was written off as injury prone, and he's been brilliant in this shorter intense season.

[boozehound]

I watch almost every Warriors game, and Udoh was never going to pan out. He isn't a great man defender, help defender, or shot blocker, and he has no offensive skill set. I shouldn't call him a bust, but he won't be an all-star caliber PF/C in the NBA, ever.



If only we had just taken the obvious pick in Greg Monroe (he was top of EVERYONES draft board).
Thank you:D

Funny to see people acting like ellis is some great loss. Dude is a shot jacker with poor selection and a really weak %. Not to mention the inflated stats due to the pace they play at. Not surprised to see StrowShow (king of the highlight reel only player) is a fan.

[Optimus Prime]

This is a weird trade. Guess the Bucks are all in for now while the Warriors got their big man theyve been coveting. Lots of injured players in this trade...very odd.

At the very least I will be watching Bucks games now.:oldlol:

[Sweens]

Personally love the trade for GSW

Bogut, once he gets healthy is a massive improvement over Biedrins or Udoh
Bogut and Lee in the frontcourt, is a big improvement

Losing Ellis, sure he was a good scorer but he wasn't exactly efficient, and had some off nights, with Bogut and Lee in the front court, the team has a much more rounded offense, which means you don't need a guy to create his own shot every possession. To go with this Curry as a player works a lot better then Ellis would with a good Frontcourt.

As others have said, Bucks are pretty much going to have the same issues that GSW have had with the back court, except Jennings wants to shoot more then Curry, so you are going to be left with a battle in between Ellis and Jennings for the ball, in the end not going to work out well in my opinion.

[Optimus Prime]

wow, terrible trade for the bucks. Ellis is hot garbage, brown is a serviceable if uninspiring big and udoh is a great unknown with pretty limited upside. For Bogut (top 3 defensive center, prob top 5 offensive center) and sJax (sure a cancer and chucker, but a very versatile player). I dont see ellis for bogut being close to even, and the other pieces dont sway that. Gotta think biedrins is done there.

Pretty much everything in this post is totally wrong.:facepalm

[Rnbizzle]

I like this trade more for GS to be honest. I've liked Klay Thompson all season and I think he'll be a solid starter pretty soon. If I'm them, I tank through this season, rest Curry and Bogut as much as possible, get another lottery pick and see from there. They've got a solid line up now when healthy.

Curry
Thompson
Wright
Lee
Bogut

That's definitely a playoff team when healthy.

[It's A VC3!!!]

I don't know if Monta and Jennings can work out too good. They definitely have more offense now. Maybe with Monta they can completely knock the Knicks out the playoffs, especially considering the Knicks strech is the most difficult.

[Optimus Prime]

How many points rebounds and blocks does Bogut get you sitting behind the bench in street clothes most of the time?

How many points does an SJax temper tantrum get you?

Seriously...:facepalm

This is an interesting trade for both teams. They essentially rolled the dice to see what happens. I personally think the Bucks got the better deal but if (and it is a HUGE if) Bogut can stay reasonably healthy this is a good trade for GS. Bogut is just hurt way too much...and SJax...talk about "hot garbage"...:hammerhead:

[Xiao Yao You]

If I'm them, I tank through this season, rest Curry and Bogut as much as possible, get another lottery pick and see from there.

Bogut's supposed to out til the middle of next month so I'd say they're definitely tanking it to the chagrin of the Jazz.

[CeltsGarlic]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/2012/images/03/14/monta-ellis-526-2-031312.jpg

"Ive might make it to the playoffs"
"Not Bad"

[insidehoops]

Trade became official overnight. Details on each player: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9421

[StroShow4]

Thank you:D

Funny to see people acting like ellis is some great loss. Dude is a shot jacker with poor selection and a really weak %. Not to mention the inflated stats due to the pace they play at. Not surprised to see StrowShow (king of the highlight reel only player) is a fan.

If Monta Ellis is "hot garbage" then the majority of the league is just garbage, without the hot. He may have his flaws, but he isn't any sort of garbage.

[irondarts]

This is a great deal for the Warriors IMO.
First, Ellis/Curry doesn't work, so while Ellis is a really good player, he's a player the Warriors don't really need, and to trade him for an elite Center is great for them. Who knows what SJax is going to do, maybe they'll flip him to another team. Udoh is solid but not great, Brown wasn't going to return next year anyway.

If Bogut can stay healthy then the Warriors made a great deal.

[wally_world]

I think its terrific for both teams. Warriors are forming into a well-rounded ball club under Mark Jackson, and Curry is clearly the team's building block going forward, not Ellis. A frontline of Lee/Bogut is pretty scary if you ask me, and Capt Jack is still a productive player, esp considering he had his best years in Goldenstate.

Curry/Sjax/Wright/Lee/Bogut is easily an above average starting 5 when healthy

Bucks have struggled with scoring, and although a Jennings/Ellis backcourt raises eyebrows being undersized and high-usage, i think it'll work out alright for the short-term. Ellis has a very manageable contract for a guy that puts up those numbers, and if they do trade Jennings, he's a good guy to fall back on. Udoh is a nice project to work on, and totally a Scott Skiles kind of player. Kwame will be a good fill-in for the season and is coming off the books anyway.

Jennings/Ellis/Delfino/Ersan/Kwame
with a bench of
Beno/Dunleavy/Sanders/Udoh/Gooden

will make the playoffs

[Ian]

I think its terrific for both teams. Warriors are forming into a well-rounded ball club under Mark Jackson, and Curry is clearly the team's building block going forward, not Ellis. A frontline of Lee/Bogut is pretty scary if you ask me, and Capt Jack is still a productive player, esp considering he had his best years in Goldenstate.

Curry/Sjax/Wright/Lee/Bogut is easily an above average starting 5 when healthy

Bucks have struggled with scoring, and although a Jennings/Ellis backcourt raises eyebrows being undersized and high-usage, i think it'll work out alright for the short-term. Ellis has a very manageable contract for a guy that puts up those numbers, and if they do trade Jennings, he's a good guy to fall back on. Udoh is a nice project to work on, and totally a Scott Skiles kind of player. Kwame will be a good fill-in for the season and is coming off the books anyway.

Jennings/Ellis/Delfino/Ersan/Kwame
with a bench of
Beno/Dunleavy/Sanders/Udoh/Gooden

will make the playoffs

I think our starting five will look more like this...

Jennings/Ellis/Mbah a Moute/Ilyasova/Gooden

Defino and Dunleavy will provide a scoring punch off the bench when Ellis/Jennings need a breather.

Kwame is out for most of the season, I believe. My guess is he'll never suit up as a Buck which is fine with me.

I have no idea what to expect. This could take us as high as the 6 seed....or we could end up missing the playoffs. It's too early to tell.

[irondarts]

Yeah Kwame is most likely going to be out for the rest of the season and probably was only added for financial reasons.

[Whoah10115]

I really believe Golden State should have asked for Brandon Jennings as well. Add another salary like Udrih and there you go.



Milwaukee will not go anywhere unless they trade Jennings. That's a bad combination.



I think both teams should have done more with this trade. And I think both teams are showing that their GM's lack heavy ambition. Tho this can be a great trade for the Warriors. They could actually be getting somewhere. The Bucks have to do more work.




And Monta Ellis has actually shot over 50% from the field before. He shot 53.1%, which is a staggering number for a guard...but a small, "chucking" guard? That's the MJ territory. He averaged 19.2PPG and that team, while missing the playoffs, won 48 games in the deepest Western Conference season ever.



He had Baron Davis...Davis is pretty stupid, because he wants to be, but he is a true PG and when he's good he's real good. Monta Ellis is a 2guard. You play him with a high end and high energy PG you'll see a beast. Him and Curry are kinda stupid together. They're both SG's and Curry doesn't command anything. But I do think they should have asked for Jennings back and taken another contract. The Bucks need more work than this, so they may as well have gotten off to a fast start and unloaded as much as they could. And there's no reason they shouldn't have asked for Jeremy Evans (unless Skiles would waste him, so I guess). Maybe even the Warriors should have sent Lee, not taken a contract, and asked for Jennings back.



Either way, they should have gotten Jennigns, I feel...and the Bucks really should have sent him away. At times, Livingston looks good again. He's smart, clever, tall, and a potentially solid PG to have next to Monta. At least to ride out the year. They won't make the playoffs, period.

[Deltron3030]

I wonder if orlando would trade jRich for SJax... :cheers:

[Droid101]

If Monta Ellis is "hot garbage" then the majority of the league is just garbage, without the hot. He may have his flaws, but he isn't any sort of garbage.
Booz is just butt-hurt that the Bucks should now easily make the playoffs, whilst the Pistons are still ****ing trash.

[DKLaker]

This is a great deal for the Warriors IMO.
First, Ellis/Curry doesn't work, so while Ellis is a really good player, he's a player the Warriors don't really need, and to trade him for an elite Center is great for them. Who knows what SJax is going to do, maybe they'll flip him to another team. Udoh is solid but not great, Brown wasn't going to return next year anyways
If Bogut can stay healthy then the Warriors made a great deal.

Stupid to trade Ellis for an "IF" guy :banghead:
Way too much to give up for that......this is why they will continue to be a losing franchise.

[Droid101]

I have no idea what to expect. This could take us as high as the 6 seed....or we could end up missing the playoffs. It's too early to tell.
Dude, you're fine.

The Knicks are killing themselves, and the Celtics play 17 of their final games on the road (and they are trash on the road). You guys play like, 17 of your final games at home.

Bucks are solidly in the playoffs, ESPECIALLY after this trade.

[RaininTwos]

Jennings + Ellis will be nasty. In real life and on 2k.

[1manfastbreak]

pretty solid trade, for a couple of reasons.

Warriors have a top 7 protected pick in the 2012 draft. that means if its higher than a 7th pick the warriors don't get it.

they trade 2 starters in Udoh and Monta, and get back an injured Bogut. Seems to me like they figure to 'tank' the second half of the season, to make sure they get that pick. I think they should shut down curry the rest of the season too. let him heal. good trade for the warriors.

[Droid101]

pretty solid trade, for a couple of reasons.

Warriors have a top 7 protected pick in the 2012 draft. that means if its higher than a 7th pick the warriors don't get it.

they trade 2 starters in Udoh and Monta, and get back an injured Bogut. Seems to me like they figure to 'tank' the second half of the season, to make sure they get that pick. I think they should shut down curry the rest of the season too. let him heal. good trade for the warriors.
Pretty funny. An 18 win team in the East does a trade to get into the playoffs... and a 17 win team in the West does the trade to tank.

LEastern Conference lives on. :applause:

[Whoah10115]

The Bucks are not gonna make the playoffs.

[Droid101]

The Bucks are not gonna make the playoffs.
Would you like to bet on that?

Knicks are garbage and the Celtics play most of the rest of their games on the road (where they are terrible).

Bucks on the other hand play most of the rest of their games at home, and just traded two players who weren't even player for quality starters.

I will avy bet you on this.

[gasolina]

As much as I like the Bucks and their players (small market teams represent!). There's so many flaws in this lineup.

Jennings - a ball dominating point guard who can be excellent at times
Ellis - an undersized shooting guard who can score in bunches
Moute - an undersized power forward who can defend 3 positions
Ilyasova - a stretch 4 who can mix it up inside
Gooden - a power forward masquerading as a center

Is Udoh legit 6'10? Can he play Center?

Hope these guys succeed. Delfino, Moute and Udoh on the floor will wreck jumpshooting teams

[Maneva]

I just hope this works out well for Ellis. Always loved watching his game and feel he's been severely underrated. Probably still won't get the attention he deserves but it'd be nice if he at least got some time in the playoffs.

[Whoah10115]

Would you like to bet on that?

Knicks are garbage and the Celtics play most of the rest of their games on the road (where they are terrible).

Bucks on the other hand play most of the rest of their games at home, and just traded two players who weren't even player for quality starters.

I will avy bet you on this.



Absolutely. No chance Milwaukee gets in.

[JellyBean]

Wow. This is jacked up. Ellis will not last long in Milwaukee with Scott Skiles. Plus this trade makes no sense. Bogut can't play until April, maybe. So the Warriors will be without Curry (injury) and Ellis. I don't understand it.

[irondarts]

Next step for the Bucks, get rid of Scott Skiles, he's the worst coach in the NBA by far and he runs players out of town, Bogut hated him.

[Smoke117]

I've always liked Bogut as a player. If he could just stay healthy he'd be the 2nd best defensive player in the league after Howard, a steady rebounder, and a guy who can give you 15-17ppg. That's an IF we've yet to see though, but frankly Monta Ellis does absolutely nothing for me and never has and as he's the main piece they traded away so I don't see it as that much of a chance to take for the Warriors, especially considering this team really needed a change in it's culture as far as how they played. They finally got a player if he can stay on the court who they can build a real defense around.

[Celtic_Pride]

Not a bad trade for Warriors at all. If all of them stay healthy, they will be a good team!

Bogut and Lee are excellent passers and Warriors are a good 3 point team. I think it will work out

[SacJB Shady]

warriors keeping stephen jackson

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/14/SPF71NKQJR.DTL&tsp=1

[westside_baller]

Nice move by the Warriors. They'll have a chance of making the playoffs next year, with a couple of breaks here and there.

[SacJB Shady]

Here is the fact. The Warriors are really only losing Udoh. Because if Bogut doesn't make out next year as we hope, then they still have Klay Thompson to replace Monta. No, he might not be as elecrifying, he may not put up more points. But in all honesty, how many less wins is he going to get you than Monta could? Truth be told, the Warriors didn't lose anything in Monta. They could not have got any better center for him. They already tried to get Chandler. This trade is a great way to take a chance.

[chips93]

the warriors need to tank and get into the top 7 picks

they owe somebody their first rounder this year, but its top 7 protected

so, after that, draft a sf

i know that they say that they wont buy out jackson, but i think that they should

and move forwards with a sold 5 of

curry
thompson
barnes or gilchrist or q.miller
lee
bogut

[hawksdogsbraves]

Wow. This is jacked up. Ellis will not last long in Milwaukee with Scott Skiles. Plus this trade makes no sense. Bogut can't play until April, maybe. So the Warriors will be without Curry (injury) and Ellis. I don't understand it.

That's fine, it's not like the Warriors were going anywhere this season anyway. Tank as hard as possible, see what kind of player you can get in the lottery, and take it from there.

Just think, they could go from having one of the worst front courts and defenses in the league to having Bogut and Anthony Davis out there next year. Suddenly they'd be the most imposing defensive frontcourt in the league.

[Xiao Yao You]

Just think, they could go from having one of the worst front courts and defenses in the league to having Bogut and Anthony Davis out there next year. Suddenly they'd be the most imposing defensive frontcourt in the league.

And stuck with an overpaid Lee.

[Whoah10115]

Klay Thompson and Stephen Curry is not a good backcourt. Not because they're not both very good players, not even because they're both SG's. But Stephen Curry is a SG or a combo guard, and Klay Thompson is a complete off-ball SG. He's not a guy who iso's or gets on the wing and puts it on the floor. He's gonna come off screens, he's not gonna handle the ball much. At least with Monta you had another guy who was a very good passer and a playmaker. Are they gonna play Klay as a 3 (he is 6'7 and isn't skinny) and Curry as a 2? Because that backcourt is not a great idea.

[SacJB Shady]

Klay Thompson and Stephen Curry is not a good backcourt. Not because they're not both very good players, not even because they're both SG's. But Stephen Curry is a SG or a combo guard, and Klay Thompson is a complete off-ball SG. He's not a guy who iso's or gets on the wing and puts it on the floor. He's gonna come off screens, he's not gonna handle the ball much. At least with Monta you had another guy who was a very good passer and a playmaker. Are they gonna play Klay as a 3 (he is 6'7 and isn't skinny) and Curry as a 2? Because that backcourt is not a great idea.


Yea. They are hoping Curry can improve as a pg. But keep in mind that Lee and Bogut are also good passers to go along with Curry.

[Whoah10115]

Yea. They are hoping Curry can improve as a pg. But keep in mind that Lee and Bogut are also good passers to go along with Curry.



This is very true. The Warrios have traditionally been a running team. It was especially true in the 90's. But now they have a team built for half-court, low post play. David Lee is a very good passer. But Bogut is a legitimate facilitator and a guy whose greatest quality is the ability to have the offense go thru him. Curry is one of the best shooters I've ever seen and Klay Thompson looks the same. If they can get a playmaker at the 3 that will make them very dangerous.



I would offer David Lee and a 1st round pick to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala. Don't know if Philly would take that, but that's better for Golden State. Yea, David Lee and Andrew Bogut sound great together, and Lee is a very good passer, but you need a playmaker at the 3 and I can't really think of any other options.

[Legends66NBA7]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255987

[Cali Syndicate]

This is very true. The Warrios have traditionally been a running team. It was especially true in the 90's. But now they have a team built for half-court, low post play. David Lee is a very good passer. But Bogut is a legitimate facilitator and a guy whose greatest quality is the ability to have the offense go thru him. Curry is one of the best shooters I've ever seen and Klay Thompson looks the same. If they can get a playmaker at the 3 that will make them very dangerous.



I would offer David Lee and a 1st round pick to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala. Don't know if Philly would take that, but that's better for Golden State. Yea, David Lee and Andrew Bogut sound great together, and Lee is a very good passer, but you need a playmaker at the 3 and I can't really think of any other options.

Hells to the naw. I wouldn't. Warriors needs a player like Lee, who can score in the post and grab rebounds, much more than a player like Iggy. He's a good perimeter defender and play maker, which would help, but Lee is more invaluable to the team.

Also Curry is a pretty good point guard. Has good IQ, good ball handler, good passer, good court vision....with Monta gone, Curry can run the offense more. He can easily be a 20/8 player. Anyways playing him at the 2 can't work. He's undersized plus if he did who plays point? Nate? Yeah reverting to the undersized back court problem they had before the trade but smaller isn't progress.

And Klay is also a pretty good ball handler, a decent slasher and on occasion, he has shown he has the ability to play make. But that's not really his forte and playing to your strengths will bring the best results which is why he plays more off the ball. But he can put it on the ground if he needs to.

Curry/Thompson back court can and will work. Warriors just need to focus on Curry and Bogut's recovery.

[Whoah10115]

Hells to the naw. I wouldn't. Warriors needs a player like Lee, who can score in the post and grab rebounds, much more than a player like Iggy. He's a good perimeter defender and play maker, which would help, but Lee is more invaluable to the team.

Also Curry is a pretty good point guard. Has good IQ, good ball handler, good passer, good court vision....with Monta gone, Curry can run the offense more. He can easily be a 20/8 player. Anyways playing him at the 2 can't work. He's undersized plus if he did who plays point? Nate? Yeah reverting to the undersized back court problem they had before the trade but smaller isn't progress.

And Klay is also a pretty good ball handler, a decent slasher and on occasion, he has shown he has the ability to play make. But that's not really his forte and playing to your strengths will bring the best results which is why he plays more off the ball. But he can put it on the ground if he needs to.

Curry/Thompson back court can and will work. Warriors just need to focus on Curry and Bogut's recovery.



It works if you're built thru the post and specifically thru Bogut's post passing.



I don't know...it would be nice if you were able to get a playmaker.

[Ian]

Next step for the Bucks, get rid of Scott Skiles, he's the worst coach in the NBA by far and he runs players out of town, Bogut hated him.

He's an average coach at best. I hate his schemes. His play-calling is usually terrible. Especially on last second inbound plays. Ugh...

The worst? Probably not.

A lot of players on the team hate him though. That's definitely true. I don't think I'd like playing for a guy like him. D'Antoni would be a good fit with this current squad. I'd trade Skiles for D'Antoni in a second.

[vinsane01]

Either the bucks gave up on Bogut too quickly or they think Monta and Udoh will contribute more to their team than a healthy bogut and that their frontline is currently solid with Gooden, Ilyasova, M bha moute plus kwame and Udoh.

Good big men are scarce in today's league, a healthy bogut is arguably one of the best centers in the league. There is no way they'll trade bogut like this if he wasnt injured and had a history of being injured multiple times.

On the other hand, Monta is a consistent perimeter scorer, can also penetrate, finish and could draw defenders which could open up shooters outside. Plus they get an additional 2 able bodies down low in Udoh and Kwame. Only time will tell which team made a better decision, which one is dependent on bogut's health.

[SacJB Shady]

I would offer David Lee and a 1st round pick to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala. Don't know if Philly would take that, but that's better for Golden State. Yea, David Lee and Andrew Bogut sound great together, and Lee is a very good passer, but you need a playmaker at the 3 and I can't really think of any other options.


No I get what you're saying, but i wouldn't. Curry can't play the 2, he is too small. Iggy is good, but the Warriors need size at the 4 and 5. The best thing the warriors can do is wait for next year and try to pick a good draft at the 3. For now, they have a lot of depth at the 3. Wright, Jefferson, and Mguire. They can trade one of those plus drafts for a 3 if needed. This Lee and Bogut combo is very good. The warriors haven't had that in decades, so lets not break that up.

[DaHeezy]

I think the x-actor to this trade will be Udoh. Guy is going to blow it up with the Bucks. Not having to play behind Lee and a week PF unit in Milwuakee is going to expose this.

[Whoah10115]

No I get what you're saying, but i wouldn't. Curry can't play the 2, he is too small. Iggy is good, but the Warriors need size at the 4 and 5. The best thing the warriors can do is wait for next year and try to pick a good draft at the 3. For now, they have a lot of depth at the 3. Wright, Jefferson, and Mguire. They can trade one of those plus drafts for a 3 if needed. This Lee and Bogut combo is very good. The warriors haven't had that in decades, so lets not break that up.



Fair enough...Bogut will help cover Lee's defensive weaknesses...tho Lee's lack of defensive ability is more in the post and 1v1. He's a good team defender and he's a hustle guy. But he was a Knick and I loved him as a Knick because he was blue collar and was all hustle. I wanna see more of that kind of hustle. That's why I liked him. He needs to be tougher.

[Optimus Prime]

Monta back in GS tonight...I actually want to watch a Bucks game how crazy is that!:eek:

[1manfastbreak]

Monta back in GS tonight...I actually want to watch a Bucks game how crazy is that!:eek:

had to get tickets to this game. crowd will go ape shit when monta gets in the game

[irondarts]

Reports say after this trade was done, the Net's offered the Bucks Brook Lopez for Monta Ellis, Bucks said no.

[irondarts]

Also, before this trade went down, the Warriors could have acquired Chris Kaman for Brandon Rush, Kwame Brown and a second round pick, but opted for the Bogut trade.

[Whoah10115]

Reports say after this trade was done, the Net's offered the Bucks Brook Lopez for Monta Ellis, Bucks said no.



That's a stupid trade for the Nets. But the Nets are stupid so there you go.




Also, before this trade went down, the Warriors could have acquired Chris Kaman for Brandon Rush, Kwame Brown and a second round pick, but opted for the Bogut trade.



The only benefit for the Warriors there is that they'd still have Monta Ellis and could turn him for something else.

[irondarts]

That's a stupid trade for the Nets. But the Nets are stupid so there you go.
I guess it's cause Dwight Howard wants to play with Monta. :confusedshrug:

[Whoah10115]

I guess it's cause Dwight Howard wants to play with Monta. :confusedshrug:



Wow, that's worrying. Way too desperate there.

[SacJB Shady]

Reports say after this trade was done, the Net's offered the Bucks Brook Lopez for Monta Ellis, Bucks said no.


Oh god am i glad the warriors themselves didnt trade monta for brooke lopez. that would have been insane.

[Deltron3030]

This is very true. The Warrios have traditionally been a running team. It was especially true in the 90's. But now they have a team built for half-court, low post play. David Lee is a very good passer. But Bogut is a legitimate facilitator and a guy whose greatest quality is the ability to have the offense go thru him. Curry is one of the best shooters I've ever seen and Klay Thompson looks the same. If they can get a playmaker at the 3 that will make them very dangerous.



I would offer David Lee and a 1st round pick to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala. Don't know if Philly would take that, but that's better for Golden State. Yea, David Lee and Andrew Bogut sound great together, and Lee is a very good passer, but you need a playmaker at the 3 and I can't really think of any other options.

That sounds horrible. Big men are a premium and you're gonna give a top 7 pick away for Iggy? C'mon! Klay will be solid and can play the 2 or 3. There are plenty of 2 and 3s always available, but the fact is there are rarely any 4 and 5's available, especially ones who aren't head cases.

[TheCorporation]

The end of the best duo in the nba Monta & Steph
It is time for Monta & Jennings :cheers:


Terrible deal for GSW.

Ellis is a star and you need to get a star back.

GSW should've also thrown Biedrens in the deal.


I would rather move Curry given his injury issues...

Yikes

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