10 Best Players For 2000-2010 AllTime

[Jotaro Durant]

who r the 10:confusedshrug:

[Odinn]

If you want to talk about "decade", you should have used 2009.

Shaq, Duncan, Kobe are definetly top 3. You change their order in your opinion but they're top 3 and there is no discussion about it.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Kobe Bryant (Kobe-stans read the bolded part again and again, don't mess.)
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. LeBron James
7. Jason Kidd or Steve Nash
8. Steve Nash or Jason Kidd
9. Allen Iverson
10. Paul Pierce or Dwyane Wade

Actually, if we look at their individualities, AI can be ranked over Kidd&Nash but those PGs achieved more success.

If we include 2009-10 season, Kobe's case gets stronger and Duncan's and Shaq's cases would be wersoned. Shaq wasn't even top 10 player in the '09-'10 season. Duncan wasn't in his prime anymore. And Kobe won another ring as the man which is pretty important.

[LosBulls]

Already been discussed, let's discuss 2010- Present :cheers:

[roffie]

Already been discussed, let's discuss 2010- Present :cheers:

In no order from 2010-2020, some possible candidates

Blake Griffin
Irving
Rajon Rondo
Greg Monroe
Westbrook
Kevin Love
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Rubio
DMC
Jennings?? (maybeh):confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

Shaq
LeBron
Duncan
KG
Wade
Dirk
Iverson
Kobe
Nash
Dwight
Suck my balls

[shaq's--lakers]

1.Shaq No debate 3 Straight Finals MVP, Only MJ has done that.
2.Duncan
3.Kobe
4.KG
5.Lebron
6.J.Kidd
7.Dirk
8.Iverson
9.Wade
10.Nash/Howard

[ralph_i_el]

In no order from 2010-2020, some possible candidates

Blake Griffin
Irving
Rajon Rondo
Greg Monroe
Westbrook
Kevin Love
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Rubio
DMC
Jennings?? (maybeh):confusedshrug:

john wall

[guy]

I'm doing 2000-2009 since thats the decade.

1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. KG
5. AI
6. Dirk
7. Lebron
8. Wade
9. Nash
10. Kidd

[Ne 1]

1.Shaq No debate 3 Straight Finals MVP, Only MJ has done that.


You can make a case for Duncan, Kobe or Shaq.

If this was 1995 to 2005, I'd give it to Shaq no problem, but talking about 2000-2009 it's not as clear cut especially when you consider that Shaq wasn't an elite player for half of the decade.

My rankings:
1. Tim Duncan/Kobe Bryant/Shaquille O'Neal

4. Kevin Garnett

5. Dirk Nowitzki

6. LeBron James

7. Jason Kidd

8. Allen Iverson

9. Steve Nash

10. Dwyane Wade

[JohnnySic]

T-Mac fell off the face of the Earth '05-'10.

[Pointguard]

1.Duncan
2.Kobe
3.Shaq
4.KG
5.Lebron
6.AI
7.Kidd
8.Dirk
9.Wade
10. Nash

[NumberSix]

1.Duncan
2.Kobe
3.Shaq
4.KG
5.Lebron
6.AI
7.Kidd
8.Dirk
9.Wade
10. Nash
:facepalm

[Alamo]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Allen Iverson
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Jason Kidd
8. Dwyane Wade
9. Lebron James
10. Steve Nash

[Whoah10115]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tim Duncan
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Shaquille O'Neal
5. Jason Kidd (if only he had better teams)
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Paul Pierce
8. Dwyane Wade
9. Steve Nash
10. Lebron James


Honorable Mention to Ray Allen and to Chris Webber...injuries just ended him too quick.

[Nash-tastic]

1) Shaq
2) Duncan
3) Kobe
4) Garnett
5) Kidd
6) AI
7) Nowitzki
8) Nash
9) LeBron
10) Wade

[no pun intended]

1) Shaquille O'Neal
2) Tim Duncan
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Kevin Garnett
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Jason Kidd
7) Dwyane Wade
8) LeBron James
9) Paul Pierce
10) Steve Nash

Honorable Mention- Manu Ginobili, Allen Iverson

[StateOfMind12]

2000-2001 to 2009-2010

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tim Duncan
3. Shaquille O'Neal
4. Kevin Garnett
5. LeBron James
6. Dwyane Wade
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Steve Nash
9. Paul Pierce
10. Jason Kidd

HM: Allen Iverson

It would be different if it was 1999-2000 to 2008-2009 though.

[Heavincent]

Shaq
LeBron
Duncan
KG
Wade
Dirk
Iverson
Kobe
Nash
Dwight
Suck my balls

If this is in order, you should probably stop watching basketball.

[Nash]

Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Nash
Garnett
AI

[HighFlyer23]

1. Shaq
2. Kobe
3. Duncan
4. KG
5. Lebron
6. Dirk
7. Iverson
8. Wade
9. T Mac
10. Pierce

11. J Kidd

[SteveNashMVPcro]

Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
LeBron
Garnett
Nash
Dirk
Wade
Kidd
AI

[Whoah10115]

Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady above Jason Kidd be special.



But I was forgetful in not shouting out Iverson. He's my other honorable mention.

[Legends66NBA7]

Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
LeBron James
Allen Iverson
Dwyane Wade
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash

Top 3 are subject to interchange...

Honorable Mentions: Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, and Ray Allen

[bwink23]

who r the 10:confusedshrug:


Was saying "ALL TIME" a correct statement, when you specified it was between 2000-2010??

all-time?? :lol

[SwooshReturns]

1) LeBron
2) Shaq
3) Kobe
4) Duncan / Garnett
5) Wade
6) Iverson
7) Nowitzki
8) Pierce
9) Nash / Kidd
10) Howard

[Bigsmoke]

In no order from 2010-2020, some possible candidates

Blake Griffin
Irving
Rajon Rondo
Greg Monroe
Westbrook
Kevin Love
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Rubio
DMC
Jennings?? (maybeh):confusedshrug:

its 2012 u know.

how about u wait until.... 2015 to debate.

[blablabla]

kobe
shaq
duncan
kg
dirk
nash
ai
kidd
pierce
lebron

[Bigsmoke]

to me....


1) Duncan/Shaq
2) Shaq/Duncan
3) Kobe
4) Garnett
5) LBJ/Wade
6) Wade/LeBron
7) Nowitzki
8) Nash
9) Kidd
10) Pierce/Iverson

[Bigsmoke]

kobe
shaq
duncan
dirk
kg
nash
ai
kidd
pierce
lebron

is that in order?

Wade won the championship OVER Dirk.

Dirk did win until THIS decade

[Heavincent]

1) LeBron


:biggums:

Doesn't seem like something you would post.

[blablabla]

is that in order?

Wade won the championship OVER Dirk.

Dirk did win until THIS decade
yes it is
dirk was the mvp in 06 reached the finals in 06
i don't have a high opinion of wade but i can understand why people are putting him in their top 10
btw it should kg>dirk

[LABean]

:facepalm @ the overrating of KG.

1) Kobe. No question about it.
If you disagree you're probably just a hater or a troll.
2) Duncan
3) Shaq
4) Dirk
5) LeBron
6) KG
7) Kidd
8) Nash
9) Pierce
10) Wade

[Bigsmoke]

yes it is
dirk was the mvp in 06 reached the finals in 06
i don't have a high opinion of wade but i can understand why people are putting him in their top 10
btw it should kg>dirk

LeBron did too...including a scoring title and one of the most lopsided MVP vote since the NBA/ABA merger

[Bigsmoke]

:facepalm @ the overrating of KG.

1) Kobe. No question about it.
If you disagree you're probably just a hater or a troll.
2) Duncan
3) Shaq
4) Dirk
5) LeBron
6) KG
7) Kidd
8) Nash
9) Pierce
10) Wade

Dirk didnt do anything that KG already done in that decade

Dirk
NBA Finals appearance
MVP

KG
NBA Finals appearance
All NBA Defense appearances
NBA champion
MVP
Defensive player of the year
Lead the NBA in total points
All Star MVP
4x rebounding champion

[SwooshReturns]

:biggums:

Doesn't seem like something you would post.
People don't realize, I honestly analyze basketball players.

LeBron James is the best all around player, and talent since Jordan.

He's SUPER Pippen.

He just doesn't close games well, has no heart and/or competitive spirit which ultimately holds him back.

If we're just talking about the best players, as in their game and capabilities, not their resume and failures.

He's easily the best player I've seen since MJ.

The durability, athletic ability, the skills, the willingness to get others involved and be a great teammate. He's a ridiculous natural talent. He just lacks certain intangibles, and the lack of certain intangibles to me makes him very un-likable.

And yes, I actually like Kobe the ball player better than LeBron.

Kobe is the 3rd best player I've seen since MJ. Fell in love with his game because sometimes he reminds me of MJ. But ultimately he's his own animal. Kobe's flaws as a player are what ultimately make him very interesting and entertaining.

[LABean]

Dirk didnt do anything that KG already done in that decade

Dirk
NBA Finals appearance
MVP

KG
NBA Finals appearance
All NBA Defense appearances
NBA champion
MVP
Defensive player of the year
Lead the NBA in total points
All Star MVP
4x rebounding champion


I'm not gonna argue with a KG stan. Thanks.

[Bigsmoke]

People don't realize, I honestly analyze basketball players.

LeBron James is the best all around player, and talent since Jordan.

He's SUPER Pippen.

He just doesn't close games well, has no heart and/or competitive spirit which ultimately holds him back.

If we're just talking about the best players, as in their game and capabilities, not their resume and failures.

He's easily the best player I've seen since MJ.

The durability, athletic ability, the skills, the willingness to get others involved and be a great teammate. He's a ridiculous natural talent. He just lacks certain intangibles, and the lack of certain intangibles to me makes him very un-likable.

And yes, I actually like Kobe the ball player better than LeBron.

Kobe is the 3rd best player I've seen since MJ. Fell in love with his game because sometimes he reminds me of MJ. But ultimately he's his own animal. Kobe's flaws as a player are what ultimately make him very interesting and entertaining.

LeBron is like my favorite player ever but... u cant put him over Shaq... :coleman:

Shaq was dominating the league in that decade since LeBron was in a freshmen in high school.

[TheMan]

Shaq





everyone else...

[LABean]

Shaq





everyone else...


Insecure Jordan stan underrating Kobe. :oldlol:

[Pointguard]

Shaq
LeBron
Duncan
KG
Wade
Dirk
Iverson
Kobe
Nash
Dwight

Kobe won half the decade. Started the decade winning chips and finished it. Was the best from start to finish. Had the highest ppg to boot.

[SwooshReturns]

LeBron is like my favorite player ever but... u cant put him over Shaq...
I just did. Deal with it.

[Mr Know It All]

1) Shaquille O'Neal
2) Tim Duncan
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Dirk Nowitzki
5) Kevin Garnett (Tossup but I went with Dirk because he never missed playoffs/better playoff performer)
6) Lebron James (Too dominant in last 3rd of decade to be any lower)
7) Allen Iverson
8) Steve Nash
9) Jason Kidd
10) Wade

[Heavincent]

People don't realize, I honestly analyze basketball players.

LeBron James is the best all around player, and talent since Jordan.

He's SUPER Pippen.

He just doesn't close games well, has no heart and/or competitive spirit which ultimately holds him back.

If we're just talking about the best players, as in their game and capabilities, not their resume and failures.

He's easily the best player I've seen since MJ.

The durability, athletic ability, the skills, the willingness to get others involved and be a great teammate. He's a ridiculous natural talent. He just lacks certain intangibles, and the lack of certain intangibles to me makes him very un-likable.

And yes, I actually like Kobe the ball player better than LeBron.

Kobe is the 3rd best player I've seen since MJ. Fell in love with his game because sometimes he reminds me of MJ. But ultimately he's his own animal. Kobe's flaws as a player are what ultimately make him very interesting and entertaining.

No argument here. His physical abilities are off the charts, but I think most of us know what is glaring weakness is...

[talkingconch]

Shaq
LeBron
Duncan
KG
Wade
Dirk
Iverson
Kobe
Nash
Dwight
Suck my balls

stop it :roll: :roll:

[PHaYze]

1. Kobe
2. Shaq
3. LeBron
4. Garnett
5. Duncan
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Wade
9. Iverson
10. Dirk

[SteveNashMVPcro]

1. Kobe
2. Shaq
3. LeBron
4. Garnett
5. Duncan
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Wade
9. Iverson
10. Dirk
:wtf: Duncan@ no5,Gasol@no7:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[PHaYze]

:wtf: Duncan@ no5,Gasol@no7:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
Gasol, won 2 rings as the best player on his team, great international success, great philanthropist.

[Scholar]

1. Kobe
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Tim Duncan
4. LeBron James
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Steve Nash
7. Allen Iverson
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Jason Kidd
10. Dwyane Wade

[SteveNashMVPcro]

Gasol, won 2 rings as the best player on his team, great international success, great philanthropist.
If Gasol won 2 rings as the best player on the Lakers how the **** is Kobe no#1 then
And Garnett over Duncan :roll: 3 rings,2 MVPs,3FMVPs

[TheMan]

Insecure Jordan stan underrating Kobe. :oldlol:
No, Shaq led the Lakers to 3 straight ships and 3 FMVPs...call me when Kobe gets 4 FMVPs to consider him better than Shaq.

[SAKOTXA]

Smh at so many people putting Shaq at number 1. He was irrelevant from 06-10.

My list

Kobe
Duncan
Shaq
KG
Dirk
Iverson
Kidd
T-Mac
Wade
LeBron

[SAKOTXA]

No, Shaq led the Lakers to 3 straight ships and 3 FMVPs...call me when Kobe gets 4 FMVPs to consider him better than Shaq.
This post is just ridiculous. :oldlol: Kobe has more rings than Shaq. His "second fiddle" years he was more important for his team than Shaq was in 06 playoffs. So with your retarded logic, let's "take out" that ring from his list of accomplishments because he wasn't as good.

[StateOfMind12]

Smh at so many people putting Shaq at number 1. He was irrelevant from 06-10.

My list

Kobe
Duncan
Shaq
KG
Dirk
Iverson
Kidd
T-Mac
Wade
LeBron
:roll: :roll: :roll: Over Wade and LeBron? What a ****ing joke. It's a joke that he is above Pierce too.

[SwooshReturns]

No, Shaq led the Lakers to 3 straight ships and 3 FMVPs...call me when Kobe gets 4 FMVPs to consider him better than Shaq.
Kobe was almost just as important in 2001 and 2002. Don't make him out to be a Pippen in 2001 and 2002, bro.

[LABean]

No, Shaq led the Lakers to 3 straight ships and 3 FMVPs...call me when Kobe gets 4 FMVPs to consider him better than Shaq.

How many ships did Jordan win without your boy, Pippen. :lol

[SwooshReturns]

How many ships did Jordan win without your boy, Pippen. :lol
The same as Kobe won without Gasol or Fisher. What's your point?

Jordan is still >>> Kobe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/tumblr_lifjn3jWAz1qhjerpo1_400.gif

[LABean]

The same as Kobe won without Gasol or Fisher. What's your point?

Jordan is still >>> Kobe.

:roll: :roll:
Weakest argument ever. Congratulations. :applause:




:facepalm

[MK2V1GP]

:facepalm @ the overrating of KG.

1) Kobe. No question about it.
If you disagree you're probably just a hater or a troll.
2) Duncan
3) Shaq
4) Dirk
5) LeBron
6) KG
7) Kidd
8) Nash
9) Pierce
10) Wade

I now know to not take anything you say from now on seriously.

Anyone who has KG lower than 4th, it either means you're 14 years old and you didn't see him in the early 2000's or your IQ is 14.


IMO, KG should be mentioned with Shaq, Kobe and Duncan and not on a level below them. Compare KG and Duncan's numbers and KG's are better.

[LABean]

I now know to not take anything you say from now on seriously.

Anyone who has KG lower than 4th, it either means you're 14 years old and you didn't see him in the early 2000's or your IQ is 14.


IMO, KG should be mentioned with Shaq, Kobe and Duncan and not on a level below them. Compare KG and Duncan's numbers and KG's are better.

Holy ****, dude. What's with the wording of that sentence? :lol


Anyway, I'm not going to argue with a KG stan. :confusedshrug:

[SwooshReturns]

I now know to not take anything you say from now on seriously.
You just figured that one out?

:oldlol:

[LABean]

You just figured that one out?

:oldlol:


:coleman:





:(

[MK2V1GP]

Holy ****, dude. What's with the wording of that sentence? :lol

4th grade reading level, eh? :lol



Anyway, I'm not going to argue with a KG stan. :confusedshrug:

You seem to be one of the biggest trolls/stans on the board, so it's pretty ironic coming from you. It has nothing to do with me being a KG fan. Look at his numbers, look at the teams he carried to the playoffs. ONLY player in NBA history with 20000/10000/5000/1500/1500. But that doesn't mean anything to you, huh? I'm sure if Kobe had those numbers, it'd mean everything to you.

[Kews1]

Do all the people who rank Tim and Shaq ahead of Kobe rank him higher all time?

[LABean]

4th grade reading level, eh? :lol

:wtf:

Go read your sentence and tell me what you think. :oldlol:






You seem to be one of the biggest trolls/stans on the board, so it's pretty ironic coming from you. It has nothing to do with me being a KG fan. Look at his numbers, look at the teams he carried to the playoffs. ONLY player in NBA history with 20000/10000/5000/1500/1500. But that doesn't mean anything to you, huh? I'm sure if Kobe had those numbers, it'd mean everything to you.
:sleeping

Kobe doesn't care about those stats. He cares about winning. :dancin






:lol I like you. :cheers:

[SwooshReturns]

Kobe doesn't care about those stats. He cares about winning.
Kobe cares about his PERCEPTION of being someone focused on winning.

You don't even know your favorite player.

:oldlol:

[LABean]

Kobe cares about his PERCEPTION of being someone focused on winning.

You don't even know your favorite player.

:oldlol:

Thank you. :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Holy ****, dude. What's with the wording of that sentence? :lol


Anyway, I'm not going to argue with a KG stan. :confusedshrug:

Mike > Kobe 'Cupcake' Bryant. Deal with it, fanboi.

[SwooshReturns]

Thank you. :applause:
You clearly don't understand the difference.

Kobe cares about his legacy, winning becomes a byproduct of that ...

Thus the excessive 81 point game, 62 in 3 quarters ... all during the regular season against cupcake defenses.

Where was that in the playoffs, or say in the series v.s. Dallas last year?

in comparison, his idol

Jordan cared about WINNING, his legacy was a byproduct of the insane competitive drive

[Whoah10115]

From 2000-2010/decade.



You all do realize that the only way to do this is to start from the 2000-01 season? Otherwise, you're decade is made up of eleven years.



So 99-00/Shaq's greatest season should not be included. It won't stop some people, but I'm just sayin.

[bwink23]

:roll: :roll:
Weakest argument ever. Congratulations. :applause:




:facepalm



What argument?? There is no argument....Kobe 2 Finals MVP's to MJ's 6.

What argument......How the hell Kobe gonna be better when his not even the best on the floor 5 out of 7 Finals??

:hammerhead:

[SwooshReturns]

You all do realize that the only way to do this is to start from the 2000-01 season? Otherwise, you're decade is made up of eleven years.
Ummm, no.

1999 - 2000 (2000)
2000 - 2001 (2001)
2001 - 2002 (2002)
2002 - 2003 (2003)
2003 - 2004 (2004)
2004 - 2005 (2005)
2005 - 2006 (2006)
2006 - 2007 (2007)
2007 - 2008 (2008)
2008 - 2009 (2009)

That's ten years.

2010 is the start of the next decade

[Kews1]

What argument?? There is no argument....Kobe 2 Finals MVP's to MJ's 6.

What argument......How the hell Kobe gonna be better when his not even the best on the floor 5 out of 7 Finals??

:hammerhead:

http://i43.tinypic.com/344w4jl.png

[Whoah10115]

Ummm, no.

1999 - 2000 (2000)
2000 - 2001 (2001)
2001 - 2002 (2002)
2002 - 2003 (2003)
2003 - 2004 (2004)
2004 - 2005 (2005)
2005 - 2006 (2006)
2006 - 2007 (2007)
2007 - 2008 (2008)
2008 - 2009 (2009)

That's ten years.

2010 is the start of the next decade




Ummm, the thread title says 2000-2010.



And further ummm, there is no year 0. So since the NBA season commences at the end of one year and concludes in the middle of the next, that's how it should be.

[Ne 1]

Shaq





everyone else...

Shaq from 2000-2004 >> Kobe/Duncan, but taking the whole decade into perspective, I don't think Shaq can match Kobe and Duncan. After winning a ring with Wade, Shaq was irrelevant, while Duncan and Kobe continued playing at an elite level.

Then again, with Shaq's ABSOLUTE dominance during the Lakers 3-peat, there's nothing ill to say if one wants to consider Shaq the best player of the 00s decade. He was just THAT good during the aforementioned period.

[TheMan]

Kobe was almost just as important in 2001 and 2002. Don't make him out to be a Pippen in 2001 and 2002, bro.
Shaq was the most dominating player in the Lakers that year, switch Paul Pierce for Kobe and they still winning those because Shaq was the shit...3 Finals MVPs in a row, brah.

[TheMan]

Shaq from 2000-2004 >> Kobe/Duncan, but taking the whole decade into perspective, I don't think Shaq can match Kobe and Duncan. After winning a ring with Wade, Shaq was irrelevant, while Duncan and Kobe continued playing at an elite level.

Then again, with Shaq's ABSOLUTE dominance during the Lakers 3-peat, there's nothing ill to say if one wants to consider Shaq the best player of the 00s decade. He was just THAT good during the aforementioned period.
This is my whole point, he dominated for that stretch of years like no other player in the last decade, not KB, Duncan or LBJ...3 straight Finals MVPs, how many players can say that?

[Ne 1]

Shaq was the most dominating player in the Lakers that year

Nobody can deny that, but the point I think he's trying to make is that Kobe's 2001 and 2002 rings are being undervalued. Because even though Shaq was the most dominating player in the league, Kobe was probably the second best player in the playoffs each of those years so those rings can't just be written off as just "second fiddle rings."

Lot of people forget how good Kobe was during the three-peat with Shaq. The best example is the 2001 playoffs when he put up 35ppg on Sacramento and 33ppg on San Antonio.


switch Paul Pierce for Kobe and they still winning those

Eh this whole "the Lakers could have still won championships with any other all-star guard or wing player in Kobe's place" argument is nothing but hypothetical non-sense.

I could just as easily speculate that if you replace Shaq with Tim Duncan not only do the Lakers still win championships, they probably win more than 3 without having to go through a rebuilding stage like they did from '05-'07.

Duncan was consistently on another level as far as defensive impact goes, was consistently more healthy, less injury prone and more dedicated and professional as far as "rehabbing on company time" and conditioning goes.

His offensive game would mesh with Kobe's perfectly. Think Kobe/Pau Gasol on steroids but with dominant instant-championship defensive presence on Tim's behalf and this part is pure speculation on my behalf, it would seem he has the type of personality that would prevent a lot of the clashes Shaq and Kobe had. The Duncan/Kobe duo wouldn't had even ever broken up and Tim's been playing at pretty much the same high level consistently and the Lakers wouldn't have had to waste 3 years of Kobe's prime trying to rebuild. I also like a Kobe/Garnett duo's shot at multiple championships as well....

[LABean]

Shaq was the most dominating player in the Lakers that year, switch Paul Pierce for Kobe and they still winning those because Shaq was the shit...3 Finals MVPs in a row, brah.

:biggums:




:facepalm

[D-Wade316]

1. Tim
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Lebron
7. Wade
8. Nash
9. Pierce/Kidd
10. Pierce/Kidd

[Odinn]

Shaq from 2000-2004 >> Kobe/Duncan
I do not think so. 2002 is arguable. 2003 clearly Duncan. 2004 is arguable.

[SwooshReturns]

Duncan has become one of the most overrated players, I've ever seen. He is no better than Kevin Garnett, then people want to say he's better than Shaq.

[Odinn]

1. Tim
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Lebron
7. Wade
8. Nash
9. Pierce/Kidd
10. Pierce/Kidd
I think a ring with the refs huge help >>> Kidd's b2b finals appearances with that awful casts... Right?:oldlol:

[D-Wade316]

Duncan has become one of the most overrated players, I've ever seen. He is no better than Kevin Garnett, then people want to say he's better than Shaq.
:yaohappy:

[Legends66NBA7]

1. Tim
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Lebron
7. Wade
8. Nash
9. Pierce/Kidd
10. Pierce/Kidd

Tim 1st and Duncan 2nd ? :lol

[Odinn]

Duncan has become one of the most overrated players, I've ever seen. He is no better than Kevin Garnett, then people want to say he's better than Shaq.
Let us know when KG had 4 consecutive 30/15 games in the playoffs.:oldlol:

[SwooshReturns]

Let us know when KG had 4 consecutive 30/15 games in the playoffs.:oldlol:
Makes no difference, he's still not better than KG. They are no different. Duncan had better teammates, and better coaching. That's all.

[Odinn]

Makes no difference, he's still not better than KG. They are no different. Duncan had better teammates, and better coaching. That's all.
Just pathetic.:oldlol:

TD was better than KG because he was a true playoff performer, unlike KG. Just ignore it. Then they're no different.:oldlol:

[D-Wade316]

I think a ring with the refs huge help >>> Kidd's b2b finals appearances with that awful casts... Right?:oldlol:
Yes. Blame the refs for Dallas shooting 42.2 or Dirk shooting 39.0 from the field. Blame the refs for Dallas choking a 13 point lead in game 3. Blame the refs for Dirk missing a ft in game 3. Blame the refs for Stackhouse making a flagrant fould on O'Neal. Blame the refs for Howard making a stupid timeout that wasted Dallas' last opportunity to advance the ball in game 5. Blame the refs for Zo making huge stops in game 6. Blame the refs for Terry missing a 3pt shot that would have would send game 6 into overtime.

Blame the refs. :oldlol:

[SwooshReturns]

Just pathetic.:oldlol:

TD was better than KG because he was a true playoff performer, unlike KG. Just ignore it. Then they're no different.:oldlol:
KG was a great playoff performer, too.

[Legends66NBA7]

Duncan had better teammates

I disagree, it's more like the other way around, Garnett had better teammates.

[Odinn]

KG was a great playoff performer, too.
Not better than Duncan still. Case closed.

2000-09 span;
Duncan; 24/13/4/3 in 134 playoff games.
Garnett; 22/13/5/2 in 61 playoff games.

Garnett never did something like Duncan did in 2003 playoffs. Also;
http://www.backpicks.com/2011/06/12/the-elite-in-elimination-games-since-1991/

[SwooshReturns]

I disagree, it's more like the other way around, Garnett had better teammates.
Huh? We're talking about KG on the Wolves, in his prime right now.

[D-Wade316]

Why haven't you responded to my post, Odinn? Mad that I owned you? :oldlol:

[Odinn]

Yes. Blame the refs for Dallas shooting 42.2 or Dirk shooting 39.0 from the field. Blame the refs for Dallas choking a 13 point lead in game 3. Blame the refs for Dirk missing a ft in game 3. Blame the refs for Stackhouse making a flagrant fould on O'Neal. Blame the refs for Howard making a stupid timeout that wasted Dallas' last opportunity to advance the ball in game 5. Blame the refs for Zo making huge stops in game 6. Blame the refs for Terry missing a 3pt shot that would have would send game 6 into overtime.

Blame the refs. :oldlol:
18.3 fta per game, 14.5 ppg from the line in the Heat's W in 2006 finals speaks for itself.:oldlol:

[Odinn]

Why haven't you responded to my post, Odinn? Mad that I owned you? :oldlol:
You just need to stay calm. We all know how you can overrate D-Wade.

[SwooshReturns]

Not better than Duncan still. Case closed.

2000-09 span;
Duncan; 24/13/4/3 in 134 playoff games.
Garnett; 22/13/5/2 in 61 playoff games.

Garnett never did something like Duncan did in 2003 playoffs. Also;
http://www.backpicks.com/2011/06/12/the-elite-in-elimination-games-since-1991/
2 point difference and a block or steal? And he didn't play as many games in the playoffs cause as I said ... teammates and coaching wasn't near the Spurs organization. Case closed ... difference was minimal. Same player if you ask me.

[Legends66NBA7]

1. Tim
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Lebron
7. Wade
8. Nash
9. Pierce/Kidd
10. Pierce/Kidd

Might want to edit the top D-Wade.

:cheers:

[Odinn]

2 point difference and a block or steal? And he didn't play as many games in the playoffs cause as I said ... teammates and coaching wasn't near the Spurs organization. Case closed ... difference was minimal. Same player if you ask me.
Did KG ever had a run like Duncan's 2003?
Did KG came up big as many as Duncan in the elimination games or in the clutch?

That's the difference is way more important than 2 ppg difference.

Do not say Duncan had good teammates. His 2003 cast one of the weakest casts ever. On the paper that team had DRob, Tony Parker, Ginobili but a 38 year-old DRob, sophomore and inconsistent Parker, rookie and inconsistent Ginobili.

[Legends66NBA7]

Huh? We're talking about KG on the Wolves, in his prime right now.

They still had some comparable talent.

I don't think Duncan ever had 2 all-stars at the same time on his team, like KG did in 2004.

I doubt Garnett would have led any team to a run like Duncan did in 2003.

Can KG do what Duncan did in some of his Finals ? Again, I question that...

[D-Wade316]

18.3 fta per game, 14.5 ppg from the line in the Heat's W in 2006 finals speaks for itself.:oldlol:
:oldlol: You clearly did not saw that series. In games 3 and 6, Wade barely went to the line in the closing minutes. Most of his shots were from drives or jumpers. Most of his fts came in the first 3 quarters.

But since it's Wade, let's ignore Shaq taking 15.5fta in 2000 or Dirk setting all-time records for made fts in 2006. :oldlol:

[D-Wade316]

Might want to edit the top D-Wade.

:cheers:
:lol

1. Tim
2. Shaq
3. Kobe
4. KG
5. Dirk
6. Lebron
7. Wade
8. Nash
9. Pierce/Kidd
10. Pierce/Kidd

:cheers:

[D-Wade316]

You just need to stay calm. We all know how you can overrate D-Wade.
No. You did not respond because I presented facts. While you did not. You resorted to that ft bullshit that Cuban made because his team lost. :oldlol:

[Odinn]

:oldlol: You clearly did not saw that series. In games 3 and 6, Wade barely went to the line in the closing minutes. Most of his shots were from drives or jumpers. Most of his fts came in the first 3 quarters.

But since it's Wade, let's ignore Shaq taking 15.5fta in 2000 or Dirk setting all-time records for made fts in 2006. :oldlol:
The point is I saw that series and Dirk-Mavs did a huge choke-job. But that doesn't mean Wade and Heat didn't huge help from the refs.

Shaq didn't get phantom calls unlike Wade. Why did you leave out ft success? Shaq forced to try that much because he was a terrible ft shooter. It's irrelevant. Also just mentioning Nowitzki's fgM? Cherry-picking again.

[D-Wade316]

The point is I saw that series
No. You did not. If you did saw that series, why the ft bullshit? Instead of presenting facts like I did? :oldlol:

and Dirk-Mavs did a huge choke-job.
That says it all.

Shaq didn't get phantom calls unlike Wade. Why did you leave out ft success? Shaq forced to try that much because he was a terrible ft shooter. It's irrelevant. Also just mentioning Nowitzki's fgM? Cherry-picking again.
Hypocrite. And dumb for saying phantom fouls. Wade had possession of the ball most of the time in that series.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1121/nba_g_wade_600.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/14vo5n7.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7888/foul8sx.gif
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126843







STFU

[Odinn]

No. You did not respond because I presented facts. While you did not. You resorted to that ft bullshit that Cuban made because his team lost. :oldlol:
Yeah yeah. Whatever.


Yeah. I find him overrated. I don't care if I was at a young age. What's wrong?


Nothing's wrong.

If it's your opinion then fine. I've heard people call Iverson overrated before too.

But the "I don't care if I was at a young age" statement.. that just comes of as ignorant man.


Good. People take ISH too seriously. :facepalm If they can't stand trolling(at least I back it up with facts), then they shouldn't post, not bitching about it.


Well iirc I thought you were the one who took this board seriously, but I guess you were just trolling then too.

So whatever "facts" you were digging up to back an arguement, it's a moot point, because you just admitted to trolling and why most posters don't want to go on the main board and debate with the B.S. of what your putting up right now.

Call it "bitching" or whatever, I've seen you bitch as well. So don't tell anyone here not to post when I've seen you do some of the same. You should take credence of your own words.

Goodnight.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241165

Actually there is no point of arguing with you.:cheers: :oldlol:

[Whoah10115]

You just need to stay calm. We all know how you can overrate D-Wade.


Come on man. Don't try and disparage Wade by talking like Wade didn't earn those free throws. Whatever bad calls he got were not the difference.


And don't act like David Robinson didn't clear the bench in 03, just like Patrick Ewing in 97, only for Barkley to go on TNT and personally ask Stern not to suspend any players and particularly not David Robinson. Let's not act like no Spur wasn't suspended then and like Amare wasn't suspended against the Spurs themselves four seasons later.



I have Duncan #2, no doubt. Definitely has to be ahead of Shaq and definitely has to be ahead of Garnett, because when given the chance Duncan was terrific and that run in 2003 was legendary.



But please don't act like Duncan had anything other than a strong cast. And more importantly don't have the audacity to act like that Spurs team in 03 wasn't better than any team Kevin Garnett ever had in Minnesota and that includes the one he had the next year, in 03/04.


Seriously. Duncan earned his shit and his place is cemented. No need to diminish anyone else with made up bullshit.

[D-Wade316]

Yeah yeah. Whatever.









http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241165

Actually there is no point of arguing with you.:cheers: :oldlol:
Actually, it goes the other way. :oldlol:

[Odinn]

Come on man. Don't try and disparage Wade by talking like Wade didn't earn those free throws. Whatever bad calls he got were not the difference.
So you're good with that someone saying Wade > Kidd (&Nash) coz of ref supported 1 ring? I'm not exactly saying the Heat won that series thanks to refs. But the refs had a huge impact on that series. There were some serious number of bad calls.


And don't act like David Robinson didn't clear the bench in 03, just like Patrick Ewing in 97, only for Barkley to go on TNT and personally ask Stern not to suspend any players and particularly not David Robinson. Let's not act like no Spur wasn't suspended then and like Amare wasn't suspended against the Spurs themselves three seasons later.
Every championship team had arguably the refs help. But in their conference. I mean 2002 Kings-Lakers series for example aside of Amare's suspension. But there is nothing such as 2006 FINALS. We didn't see that much refs impact before and later. And we won't.


I have Duncan #2, no doubt. Definitely has to be ahead of Shaq and definitely has to be ahead of Garnett, because when given the chance Duncan was terrific and that run in 2003 was legendary.
Just top 3 is clear. They can be ranked in any order.


But please don't act like Duncan had anything other than a strong cast. And more importantly don't have the audacity to act like that Spurs team in 03 wasn't better than any team Kevin Garnett ever had in Minnesota and that includes the one he had the next year, in 03/04.

Seriously. Duncan earned his shit and his place is cemented. No need to diminish anyone else with made up bullshit.
I do not disrespect KG's 2004 playoff run but while Duncan had multiple great playoff runs (and one them can be in the goat title run debate) KG had only 1 in 2004.

[Whoah10115]

So you're good with that someone saying Wade > Kidd (&Nash) coz of ref supported 1 ring? I'm not exactly saying the Heat won that series thanks to refs. But the refs had a huge impact on that series. There were some serious number of bad calls.


Every championship team had arguably the refs help. But in their conference. I mean 2002 Kings-Lakers series for example aside of Amare's suspension. But there is nothing such as 2006 FINALS. We didn't see that much refs impact before and later. And we won't.


Just top 3 is clear. They can be ranked in any order.


I do not disrespect KG's 2004 playoff run but while Duncan had multiple great playoff runs (and one them can be in the goat title run debate) KG had only 1 in 2004.



I have Duncan ahead of Garnett overall and this past decade (same thing), simply because Duncan did do it in the playoffs.


I'm not gonna hold it against KG that his team sucked and he couldn't do anything with it. Same way I won't hold it against Duncan that he did get there and he got better every time it counted.



The Lakers-Kings thing is a whole other thing. That Lakers title does not count. And it annoys me when so many people rip Wade because they have the nerve to make it sound like the refs won it and not Wade and the Heat (and the Mavs did choke Game 3 as well, tho the Heat beat them plain and simple the next 3 games).



The same people who don't want to give Wade that credit go on to give Shaq credit for a 3peat. My ass. That was horrendous. And seeing the kind of player Shaq was, it just annoys me to see him with 4 rings and a 3peat. People kill Kobe for being 2nd to Shaq for a 3peat, but people don't bring it up the same way against Shaq when he rode Wade. And after that first title, Shaq was not as far ahead of Kobe as Wade was of that version of O'Neal.



But now I'm getting sidetracked...Nash wasn't as beastly in the beginning of this decade so I had him one spot below Wade on my list. I kept changing it, but I took Wade because of the 06 run. That's interchangeable. But Jason Kidd is locked at #5, ahead of Dirk, Pierce (who no one wants to list), Wade, Nash, Lebron.