Will Derrick Rose ever be considered the Best player in the league?

[All Net]

What you think? Won the MVP at age 22... Can he keep developing his jump shot and be considered better than say lebron or durant down the line?

You could argue he is top 4-7 right now.

[dunksby]

MVP at 22? http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i394/Swagengen/72b71bd3.png

[linZoMourning]

you could argue that when healthy hes better then lebron.

[Jotaro Durant]

4th best is highest i see him going.durant, lebron, howard will be better.

:coleman:

[Clippersfan86]

Probably not. Durant has really blossomed this year... and Lebron is only 26 and having one of the best NBA seasons of all time. I think he peaks in the top 4-5 range.

[PJR]

you could argue that when healthy hes better then lebron.

Only the biggest of morons would argue that.

[LoneyROY7]

Kobe, what do you think?

:kobe:

[Clippersfan86]

4th best is highest i see him going.durant, lebron, howard will be better.

:coleman:

Yup.

[All Net]

Probably not. Durant has really blossomed this year... and Lebron is only 26 and having one of the best NBA seasons of all time. I think he peaks in the top 4-5 range.

Thought lebron is 27

[(e)]

If he can lead Chicago to a Championship, then there should be no question. He definitely has the drive to be the best, and the potential is there. Look at his jump shot to see how much it's improved since he came into the league, give him a real offseason to workout with his team and coaches and he's going to be even more dangerous.

He really needs to work on a post move ala Kobe Bryant though, just to give defenses something else to worry about

[derb2k2]

you could argue that when healthy hes better then lebron.

f*ck you smoking:coleman:

[Clippersfan86]

Thought lebron is 27

Oh yea.. think he had birthday. Either way it's going to be VERY difficult for Rose to uproot Lebron, Dwight and Kevin. So by default I only see him getting to 4-5. I think the top 5 in a couple years will be...

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Howard
4. Rose
5. Griffin

or something like that.

[TheMarkMadsen]

If he can lead Chicago to a Championship, then there should be no question. He definitely has the drive to be the best, and the potential is there. Look at his jump shot to see how much it's improved since he came into the league, give him a real offseason to workout with his team and coaches and he's going to be even more dangerous.

He really needs to work on a post move ala Kobe Bryant though, just to give defenses something else to worry about

Post move ala Kobe? :kobe:

[nathanjizzle]

people tend to not believe that smaller players such as point gaurds can be the best in the league.

[gtfomyface]

i dont see him passing durant

[All Net]

Oh yea.. think he had birthday. Either way it's going to be VERY difficult for Rose to uproot Lebron, Dwight and Kevin. So by default I only see him getting to 4-5. I think the top 5 in a couple years will be...

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Howard
4. Rose
5. Griffin

or something like that.

How many years do you see lebron playing at this level then? Question is will he age well?

[(e)]

Post move ala Kobe? :kobe:
I'll show you on 2k :lebron:

[Clippersfan86]

How many years do you see lebron playing at this level then? Question is will he age well?

Lebron has already lost speed and athleticism.... yet is having the best year of his career. He's just getting smarter and better. I think he's going to age a hell of a lot better than people think. I think he will be an elite player/all star till at least 33-34.... then for a couple years be a borderline all star player. So basically he's got AT LEAST 6 elite years left in my opinion.

[LABean]

people tend to not believe that smaller players such as point gaurds can be the best in the league.
Magic, the GOAT. :bowdown: :bowdown:

Rose just isn't good as those others mention. Who knows though.
I don't see it happening.

[Tenchi Ryu]

I've always considered it as Durant and Rose being the next Bird and Magic of the league. Durant is damn good, but there is honestly not as much he can improve on like Rose can. Add that to the fact every year, Rose has significantly improved elements of his game, its gonna be a point where the only real weakness will be his size, and even that won't mean much when he gets in his prime.

I easily see Rose following the Wade route and being able to play this game style until 30, so he's definitely got time for his athleticism.

[04mzwach]

Oh yea.. think he had birthday. Either way it's going to be VERY difficult for Rose to uproot Lebron, Dwight and Kevin. So by default I only see him getting to 4-5. I think the top 5 in a couple years will be...

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Howard
4. Rose
5. Griffin

or something like that.
Are we going to act like Griffin will be a better player than Love? Cmon man, Love already has a shot. He has a post game and can just add to it over the Summer. It'll be easier for Love to develop a post game than Griffin improving his shot. But Love will never have the ball handing skills Griffin has of course. Not like he puts them to use anyway, since he doesn't have a shot..

[Jotaro Durant]

Magic, the GOAT. :bowdown: :bowdown:

Rose just isn't good as those others mention. Who knows though.
I don't see it happening.
magic wasnt small tho brah:lol

[FKAri]

I doubt it but I don't like to ever say what a player can't do.

[chairman]

I doubt it but I don't like to ever say what a player can't do.
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ukviBAAy1qj966mo1_500.gif

[hitmanyr2k]

If he can lead Chicago to a Championship, then there should be no question. He definitely has the drive to be the best, and the potential is there. Look at his jump shot to see how much it's improved since he came into the league, give him a real offseason to workout with his team and coaches and he's going to be even more dangerous.

He really needs to work on a post move ala Kobe Bryant though, just to give defenses something else to worry about

I don't see how a post game is going to benefit a player like Rose. That kind of game is for the taller, athletic players who can take advantage of undersized defenders. Rose has all the athleticism in the world but he's a midget which is the main reason I think he'll never be the best player in the league. If Rose did develop a post game at his size he'll probably get more shots blocked than he does now.

[linZoMourning]

Only the biggest of morons would argue that.

well there was over 20 people saying that in one of the threads not even a week ago. so keep talkin. not everyone has the same opinion as you. chump

[Celtics4ever]

I consider Rose the best player in the league. I don't give a fuclk what others think. I trust what I see. And Durant is one dimensional. LeBron is great but he can't close out games like Rose. Rose is the full package. He has been bothered by injuries all year, but he's still been playing great.

Rose
LeBron
Dwight
Kobe
Durant

[TAZORAC]

I would never give a PG the right of being the best player in the league because they don't affect enough aspects of the game.

[TAZORAC]

Oh yea.. think he had birthday. Either way it's going to be VERY difficult for Rose to uproot Lebron, Dwight and Kevin. So by default I only see him getting to 4-5. I think the top 5 in a couple years will be...

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Howard
4. Rose
5. Griffin

or something like that.

Griffin? If Griffin was the 5th best player in the league the CLIPPERS WOULDN'T HAVE A LOSING RECORD SINCE BILLUPS GOT HURT

[FKAri]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0ukviBAAy1qj966mo1_500.gif

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/308590_o.gif

EDIT - just look at em on the way down. It's like he's skydiving.

[Celtics4ever]

I would never give a PG the right of being the best player in the league because they don't affect enough aspects of the game.

Are you serious? PG is the most important position in the league. They run the whole offense and control the flow of the game.

Why are people so dumb on here :lol

[longtime lurker]

He'd have to improve his play making and improve his defense to all NBA 1st team level.

[TAZORAC]

Are you serious? PG is the most important position in the league. They run the whole offense and control the flow of the game.

Why are people so dumb on here :lol


They don't get enough blocks or rebounds. I'm the EXPERT on this website. Do you want to know my credentials? as a former player and coach?

A GREAT FORWARD OR CENTER is always more important to a team then a GREAT POINT GUARD.

[Clippersfan86]

Griffin? If Griffin was the 5th best player in the league the CLIPPERS WOULDN'T HAVE A LOSING RECORD SINCE BILLUPS GOT HURT

I said in a couple years you dork.

[guy]

He could. IMO he's becoming a better passer, shooter, and a more clutch player. If he continues to improve and Durant doesn't and the Lebron continues his choking ways and eventually declines more, it's possible.

[SuperPippen]

Definitively? No. Not while LeBron or Durant are in their primes.

[pauk]

sure... if you decapitate lebron (wont guarantee anything but still :D).....

and then break dwights, durants, wades and so on legs... and oh, even at his position he might wanna do something about Westbrook, Deron etc. aswell... Westbrook has actually been better this season than Rose and is improving even more himself...

[Scoooter]

LOL, no. Try taking your own SATs Derrick. :yaohappy:

[hkfosho]

Rose is not even in his prime yet,

jus sayin

[All Net]

sure... if you decapitate lebron (wont guarantee anything but still :D).....

and then break dwights, durants, wades and so on legs... and oh, even at his position he might wanna do something about Westbrook, Deron etc. aswell... Westbrook has actually been better this season than Rose and is improving even more himself...

A fair few already consider him better than wade now...

[Sarcastic]

Rose is not even in his prime yet,

jus sayin


Yes he is.

[Cali Syndicate]

you could argue that when healthy hes better then lebron.

Not really.

I'm not a fan of Lebron whatsoever, but no way is that even arguable.

[SwooshReturns]

Yes he is.
He's in his 4th season, no he isn't.

Players primes begin around their 5th or 6th season.


I would never give a PG the right of being the best player in the league because they don't affect enough aspects of the game.
Statistically? You'd be right. Stats can mislead.

The actual game of basketball, hell no. They dictate the entire pace of the team / game. They are the quarter back of the team.

A great PG can make scrubs look better (see Chris Paul 2008, 2009)

Plus, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton and Isiah Thomas would like to have words with your dumb ass.

[blacknapalm]

no. i just think it's incredibly rare for PG's to impact the game on a level of a wing or big. this is especially true when you consider in defense, versatility and ability to post up. i think lebron, durant and dwight (if he keeps progressing) have the next 10 years on lock

[Sarcastic]

He's in his 4th season, no he isn't.

Players primes begin around their 5th or 6th season.




There is no standard year as to when a prime begins. Every player is different. A player's prime begins when their play goes to the next level.

You telling me that Jordan's 37ppg season, or his 35ppg season are not part of his prime? Those years are considered the start of his prime.

[blacknapalm]

He's in his 4th season, no he isn't.

Players primes begin around their 5th or 6th season.


Statistically? You'd be right. Stats can mislead.

The actual game of basketball, hell no. They dictate the entire pace of the team / game. They are the quarter back of the team.

A great PG can make scrubs look better (see Chris Paul 2008, 2009)

Plus, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton and Isiah Thomas would like to have words with your dumb ass.

all tremendous PG's but with the exception of magic and nash for a short time, none of those guys were the best player in the league. kidd had to deal with duncan but it is what it is

[SwooshReturns]

all tremendous PG's but with the exception of magic and nash for a short time, none of those guys were the best player in the league. kidd had to deal with duncan but it is what it is
Are you kidding me? GP was an elite PG for 8 - 10 years, was the best player on a Finals team.

Isiah lead a team of no other true superstar players to two straight chips.

Nash was actually booty compared to his MVP self for the first 7 - 8 years of his career.

KJ was another one, injuries ruined him too.

Anyone saying PGs aren't tremendously valuable need to get smacked up. Who would get the dominant big man the ball without an elite set of guards or PG?

:oldlol:

[SwooshReturns]

You telling me that Jordan's 37ppg season, or his 35ppg season are not part of his prime? Those years are considered the start of his prime.
No, that wasn't his prime at all. Don't confuse stats for all around game and ability.

MJ's prime was from 1990 - 1993 (could've been '94 as well, but you know ... the suspension)

[Cali Syndicate]

There is no standard year as to when a prime begins. Every player is different. A player's prime begins when their play goes to the next level.

You telling me that Jordan's 37ppg season, or his 35ppg season are not part of his prime? Those years are considered the start of his prime.

What are you talking about??

Jordan was always in his prime.




That's right....ALWAYS!

[blacknapalm]

Are you kidding me? GP was an elite PG for 8 - 10 years, was the best player on a Finals team.

Isiah lead a team of no other true superstar players to two straight chips.

Nash was actually booty compared to his MVP self for the first 7 - 8 years of his career.

KJ was another one, injuries ruined him too.

Anyone saying PGs aren't tremendously valuable need to get smacked up. Who would get the dominant big man the ball without an elite set of guards or PG?

:oldlol:

saying a PG wasn't the best player in the game /=/ saying a PG doesn't have tremendous value.

those guys are hall of famers or future hall of famers for a reason.

however, thomas was never voted above #5 in MVP voting. GP was elite but he was never better than MJ or shaq or barkley. i just don't see rose ever being called the best while lebron, durant, howard and incoming college players are around

[Heavincent]

sure... if you decapitate lebron (wont guarantee anything but still :D).....

and then break dwights, durants, wades and so on legs... and oh, even at his position he might wanna do something about Westbrook, Deron etc. aswell... Westbrook has actually been better this season than Rose and is improving even more himself...

Rose is already better than Wade.

[Sarcastic]

No, that wasn't his prime at all. Don't confuse stats for all around game and ability.

MJ's prime was from 1990 - 1993 (could've been '94 as well, but you know ... the suspension)

Jordan's greatest seasons are considered 1988 and 1989, before he won his titles. And his accolades from that time prove it.

[LA_Showtime]

No. :biggums:

[I.R.Beast]

He's in his 4th season, no he isn't.

Players primes begin around their 5th or 6th season.


Statistically? You'd be right. Stats can mislead.

The actual game of basketball, hell no. They dictate the entire pace of the team / game. They are the quarter back of the team.

A great PG can make scrubs look better (see Chris Paul 2008, 2009)

Plus, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton and Isiah Thomas would like to have words with your dumb ass.
the PG position is overrated in terms of necessity...a True pg can be supplimented very easily with ball movement...see championship teams of past 20 years.

[guy]

sure... if you decapitate lebron (wont guarantee anything but still :D).....

and then break dwights, durants, wades and so on legs... and oh, even at his position he might wanna do something about Westbrook, Deron etc. aswell... Westbrook has actually been better this season than Rose and is improving even more himself...

Rose is definitely better then Wade, Westbrook, and Deron. Wade gets hurt too much, Westbrook is a turnover machine that doesn't pass that well, and Deron is inconsistent and not as much of a leader.

[guy]

PGs historically haven't had as much impact as an elite wing or big. There's nothing to dispute that. The only one that was ever the best player in the league was Magic, and he was a freak of nature and not really a normal PG. Thats why I do think it will be hard for Rose to ever be considered that.

But he clearly has that drive and if a one-dimensional player like Dirk could ever be considered the best player in the league, which I think he deservedly was considered that by many people last year, then Rose definitely could. He has the potential to be a better version of AI, who in his prime wasn't far from the best player in the league in a league with Shaq and Duncan in their primes.

[zizozain]

with the kind of mentality he got ...
YES .. ''the Best player in the league'' is a matter of time

lebron would be having 2-3 rings by now if he had this kind of mentality

[StateOfMind12]

If Rose manages to lead the Bulls to take out the Heat in the playoffs in a 7 game series this post-season, I believe a lot of people will consider Rose the best player in the league whether he is or not. I suspect Rose's situation would be exactly like Dirk's situation last season after the Finals.

[derb2k2]

Rose is already better than Wade.


i hope you're not serious. Rose shouldn't even be mentioned in Wade's breadth.

[BallsOut]

Pointless thread. Unless we have a nastradamus, only time will tell.

[RRR3]

Rose is already better than Wade.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2976/rudywhatever.pnghttp://i42.tinypic.com/9zvvhu.png

[Tenchi Ryu]

i hope you're not serious. Rose shouldn't even be mentioned in Wade's breadth.Wade has done nothing to show he's better than Rose this season.

[RRR3]

Wade has done nothing to show he's better than Rose this season.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2976/rudywhatever.png:kobe: :biggums: :lebron: :coleman: :crazysam:

[SuperPippen]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2976/rudywhatever.png:kobe: :biggums: :lebron: :coleman: :crazysam:


Even if you personally disagree with TenchiRyu, his statement certainly does not warrant the use of those smilies.


IMO, Rose is better than Wade this year, while Wade was better than Rose last year.

[iDefend5]

Even if you personally disagree with TenchiRyu, his statement certainly does not warrant the use of those smilies.


IMO, Rose is better than Wade this year, while Wade was better than Rose last year.
What did you honestly expect from that guy? :oldlol:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Well you can make the argument that he is or will be better than LeBron in 4th quarters.

[Heavincent]

Wade has to be one of the most overrated players on ISH.

[PHaYze]

Oh yea.. think he had birthday. Either way it's going to be VERY difficult for Rose to uproot Lebron, Dwight and Kevin. So by default I only see him getting to 4-5. I think the top 5 in a couple years will be...

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Howard
4. Rose
5. Griffin

or something like that.
:kobe:

[Kews1]

you could argue that when healthy hes better then lebron.

no, i dont think anybody could argue that.

[blablabla]

Wade has to be one of the most overrated players on ISH.
he and deandre jordan

[brahmabull117]

absolutely not. There's no way for a 6-3 guy to be considered the best player in this league



Lebron is better now, Durant will be better when Lebron is washed up (he's better than him now as well of course). Best Rose could hope for is maybe top 3

[Meticode]

Possibly, but I'm leaning towards no. The main reason is Durant is around the same age.

[TeamLAC]

My opinion is Rose is already better than Wade.
That is what you forgot to say...

[blablabla]

absolutely not. There's no way for a 6-3 guy to be considered the best player in this league



Lebron is better now, Durant will be better when Lebron is washed up (he's better than him now as well of course). Best Rose could hope for is maybe top 3
why not the rules are made for small guys to shine
i'm pretty sure there have been some 6-3 or under guys who have been the best player in the nba at least for a season(west,ai,paul,isiah,nash)

[Heavincent]

That is what you forgot to say...

No ****ing shit it's my opinion. That should be assumed.

[Suckafree]

If the Bulls win the title he will be.

His statistical impact will remain around the 24/8 mark for the next 5-7 years I think. I don't believe that is enough for him to overtake KD, LBJ and Howard without winning a title. But if he wins a title with a Dirk/Duncan/Hakeem type playoff run he will immediately be crowned as the best player in the league I believe. Because in order to win that title he will have to go through 2 out of the three previously mentioned players.

Dude is also stupidly clutch and cold blooded, moreso than LBJ, KD, Howard.

[Sarcastic]

Bulls are gonna fall off hard when Thibadeau leaves.

[zay_24]

I consider Rose the best player in the league. I don't give a fuclk what others think. I trust what I see. And Durant is one dimensional. LeBron is great but he can't close out games like Rose. Rose is the full package. He has been bothered by injuries all year, but he's still been playing great.

Rose
LeBron
Dwight
Kobe
Durant:kobe:

[Bigsmoke]

maybe like in 2018.

but who knows. maybe some next MJ will come out of nowhere.

[brahmabull117]

why not the rules are made for small guys to shine
i'm pretty sure there have been some 6-3 or under guys who have been the best player in the nba at least for a season(west,ai,paul,isiah,nash)


ai, paul, nash as best players in the game? LOL wut?



Last 12 years or so, the best players in the game have been Kobe, Lebron or Shaq...none of the guys you mentioned are better than those 3

[cteach111]

its possible, but not likely. How many 6 ft players have there been that had a strong case for being the best in the league.

The 90's it was Jordan/Hakeem
00's Duncan,Shaq,Kobe,Lebron,KG
80's KAJ, Jordan, Bird, Magic
60's Wilt, Russell
70's KAJ, Dr. J

The shortest guy on that list is Jordan...

I think he could have the best overall season, but that's different from judging guys solely on talent/impact. You have to have size in this league to truly dominate the game. Well, that's been the case so far.

[Tenchi Ryu]

I honestly think if he can get a championship before Lebron or Durant, and he has a MVP-like performance in the post-season, you'll hear it as early as next year.

[emaugust]

There will probably be a window where he will be the best - if he holds up physically and LBJ starts to decline.

[La Frescobaldi]

No. He won't.

[PyrrhusX]

I honestly think if he can get a championship before Lebron or Durant, and he has a MVP-like performance in the post-season, you'll hear it as early as next year.

I agree. Generally speaking, if any of the three win a championship they should be crowned the best player for next season.

Lets be frank, if either team gets to the finals, it will take a massive performance from one of the three to win it all.

[TheNaturalWR]

LeBron's gonna be #1 for quite a while...ridiculous that he's only 27.

[Lebron23]

When hell freezes over. A 6'1.5" PG with a very poor mid range shooting percentage = Another LeBrowned time in the playoffs.

[Tenchi Ryu]

When hell freezes over. A 6'1.5" PG with a very poor mid range shooting percentage = Another LeBrowned time in the playoffs.
Its ok to be a little scared...

[Lebron23]

Its ok to be a little scared...


1 year ban bet. Heat over the Bulls in the playoffs.

[Tenchi Ryu]

1 year ban bet. Heat over the Bulls in the playoffs.
Seriously, why do people always resort to that here?

[Lebron23]

Seriously, why do people always resort to that here?

:lol :lol :lol

Even if the Miami Heat wins the NBA Championship. I am gonna stop posting in this forum. I'm gonna go back to Law School.

[Suckafree]

When hell freezes over. A 6'1.5" PG with a very poor mid range shooting percentage = Another LeBrowned time in the playoffs.

Lmao, Shutup.....

You are the worst kind of fan. I remember when you were on the cavs nuts so hard, then as soon as the decision happened you turned into a heat fanboy. Plz go

[lbj23clutch]

He's top 5 right now, but I don't know about the future because Durant is still very young and LeBron still has a good 3-4 years left in his PRIME. It's really gunna be between Rose and Durant when LeBron declines.

[strifed169]

His team is still top 1-3 seed without him, dude is the most overrated player I've ever seen tbh, just a volume shooter on a winning team

[Lebron23]

Lmao, Shutup.....

You are the worst kind of fan. I remember when you were on the cavs nuts so hard, then as soon as the decision happened you turned into a heat fanboy. Plz go


STFU RG. You are a F@got. Rose still needs to improve his mid range shooting, and basic fundamental skills. He still relies on his athletic ability. Once he's athleticism is gone. He's gonna be the next Steve Francis.

[Alamo]

:lol :lol :lol

Even if the Miami Heat wins the NBA Championship. I am gonna stop posting in this forum. I'm gonna go back to Law School.

Sounds too good to be true. You trollin

[Lebron23]

He's not even better than a post injury CP3. Blake Griffin will be the next best player in the NBA.

[Heavincent]

STFU RG. You are a F@got. Rose still needs to improve his mid range shooting, and basic fundamental skills. He still relies on his athletic ability. Once he's athleticism is gone. He's gonna be the next Steve Francis.

What does this have to do with you being a Cavs homer before Lebron left?

[Lebron23]

What does this have to do with you being a Cavs homer before Lebron left?


LeBron fan boy. I still watch some Cavaliers game. Irving is a very good PG. He's gonna be better than Derrick Rose.

[LABean]

Rose, imo, is a smaller, less talented version of LeBron (which is why I hoped he'd be 100% @ the All-Star Game :( )
Not way less. Just a bit. He can improve.
He will be top 3 for years if he doesn't keep getting injured.

[Suckafree]

What does this have to do with you being a Cavs homer before Lebron left?

Exactly.

And who is RG? Why did you call me RG? :oldlol:

If I had to guess, you would be some 15 year old boy from manilla who has only had access to the internet for about 5 years therefore your only experience of the NBA has been through NBA.com so as a result Lebron has become your little butt buddy. Geezus, I like Lebron as much as the next guy but your homerism is just unmatched. We all know Lebron is great, but like normal people we can recognize that other players a great too.

[Lebron23]

Rose, imo, is a smaller, less talented version of LeBron (which is why I hoped he'd be 100% @ the All-Star Game :( )
Not way less. Just a bit. He can improve.
He will be top 3 for years if he doesn't keep getting injured.

Poor man's version of Cleveland LeBron. Cleveland LeBron at age 22/24 >>> Rose in his last 3 NBA Season. Stern needs to bring back the Hand checking rule. That's why Team USA's PG sucked in the FIBA Competitions.

[iDefend5]

STFU RG. You are a F@got. Rose still needs to improve his mid range shooting, and basic fundamental skills. He still relies on his athletic ability. Once he's athleticism is gone. He's gonna be the next Steve Francis.
Once LeBron's athletic ability is gone, he's going to be Luke Walton.

[LABean]

Poor man's version of Cleveland LeBron. Cleveland LeBron at age 22/24 >>> Rose in his last 3 NBA Season.

Yeah, pretty much. He keeps getting injured so I don't know if he'll improve by much.

[Doctor Rivers]

:lol :lol :lol

Even if the Miami Heat wins the NBA Championship. I am gonna stop posting in this forum. I'm gonna go back to Law School.

Damn so I guess you're going to be posting on here forever then...

[Lebron23]

Once LeBron's athletic ability is gone, he's going to be Luke Walton.

Watch more games son!!! LBJ is one of the best mid-range shooters in the NBA this season. Are you suffering from multiple personality disorder? You have 500 gimmick accounts.

[iDefend5]

Watch more games son!!! LBJ is one of the best mid-range shooters in the NBA this season. Are you suffering from multiple personality disorder? You have 500 gimmick accounts.
Only one brah.

Yeah, LBJ is only a good mid-range shooter because players play off of him. Once his athelticism goes away, nobody will fear his ability to attack the rim and he will become Luke Walton


Next.

[Tenchi Ryu]

His team is still top 1-3 seed without him, dude is the most overrated player I've ever seen tbh, just a volume shooter on a winning team
Heat are still a 1-3 team without Wade....so the shooter on a winning team thing is not a plausible answer. Don't fault him just cause he's on a good team.

[Lebron23]

Heat are still a 1-3 team without Wade....so the shooter on a winning team thing is not a plausible answer. Don't fault him just cause he's on a good team.


Wade is the Miami Heat's 2nd best player this season. LBJ and Bosh are capable of winning some games without Wade.

[Lebron23]

Only one brah.

Yeah, LBJ is only a good mid-range shooter because players play off of him. Once his athelticism goes away, nobody will fear his ability to attack the rim and he will become Luke Walton


Next.

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[iDefend5]

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U Mad?

LeBron was never the best player in the league either. It was always Kobe.

[Doctor Rivers]

Wade is the Miami Heat's 2nd best player this season. LBJ and Bosh are capable of winning some games without Wade.

James and Bosh are capable of winning regular season games, but they need their closer in Wade for the playoffs.

[iDefend5]

James and Bosh are capable of winning regular season games, but they need their closer in Wade for the playoffs.
Yeah we all know where LeBron goes in the playoffs and in the 4th quarter.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Yeah, pretty much. He keeps getting injured so I don't know if he'll improve by much.
That doesn't really mean anything, especially when most of his improving needs to come from shooting at this point. A summer with a grade A shooting coach would fix that.

And given his record to significantly improve over the summer, wouldn't be surprised of his jumper is even better next year.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Hell, one finals and more than half the NBA fan base considered Dirk the best player in the league.

[iDefend5]

Hell, one finals and more than half the NBA fan base considered Dirk the best player in the league.
I hate it when phags use hell. Can't you find a better word to use you fukkin *******?

[Tenchi Ryu]

I hate it when phags use hell. Can't you find a better word to use you fukkin *******?
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
You must hate christianity

[Heavincent]

I hate it when phags use hell. Can't you find a better word to use you fukkin *******?

I'm so confused right now.

[iDefend5]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
You must hate christianity
Instead of using the word hell in your sentence, how about use the word, HECK or something like that, fakkit.

[selrahc]

not as long as kobe is in the lleague

[Tenchi Ryu]

I'm so confused right now.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Tenchi Ryu]

Instead of using the word hell in your sentence, how about use the word, HECK or something like that, fakkit.
:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[LABean]

not as long as kobe is in the lleague

Well said, my friend. :applause:

[LABean]

That doesn't really mean anything, especially when most of his improving needs to come from shooting at this point. A summer with a grade A shooting coach would fix that.

And given his record to significantly improve over the summer, wouldn't be surprised of his jumper is even better next year.

True, true. :cheers:
We will see.

[Heavincent]

U Mad?

LeBron was never the best player in the league either. It was always Kobe.

Shut up f@ggot. if I ever see you in real life, I'll shove my keyboard up your @$$.

You better leave this thread before I throw some more nasty insults at you.

[iDefend5]

Shut up f@ggot. if I ever see you in real life, I'll shove my keyboard up your @$$.

You better leave this thread before I throw some more nasty insults at you.
:oldlol: :applause:

[LakersReign]

What you think? Won the MVP at age 22... Can he keep developing his jump shot and be considered better than say lebron or durant down the line?

You could argue he is top 4-7 right now.


Rose does have the skills to be considered the best player in the league. He's being seriously outperformed by KD at the moment. But if he can step his game up, there should be no question. The only people who would disagree would be Lebronytes who get threatened whenever other people are considered the best in the league other than Lebron.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Rose does have the skills to be considered the best player in the league. He's being seriously outperformed by KD at the moment. But if he can step his game up, there should be no question. The only people who would disagree would be Lebronytes who get threatened whenever other people are considered the best in the league other than Lebron.
The only real thing Durant has over Rose at this point is efficiency really. Other than that, they both provide the same thing, and leaders of their team.

It all comes down to if you prefer efficiency, or just care about getting the win.

[Lebron23]

RG and Heavincent

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

The only real thing Durant has over Rose at this point is efficiency really. Other than that, they both provide the same thing, and leaders of their team.

It all comes down to if you prefer efficiency, or just care about getting the win.


I'll agree with that. I'm not a Rose fan, obviously, but I have nothing against the guy. He's young and very talented, and as a trues NBA fans, you have to appreciate the skills. What kills me is that he doesn't get the respect he deserves cuz of a bad playoffs last year.

[Lebron23]

I'll agree with that. I'm not a Rose fan, obviously, but I have nothing against the guy. He's young and very talented, and as a trues NBA fans, you have to appreciate the skills. What kills me is that he doesn't get the respect he deserves cuz of a bad playoffs last year.


You are a gifted child.

[Bigsmoke]

again

how do we know there will or will not be another All-Time Great in the future?

yea... there will not be another player in the NBA in the near future that could be as good as Rose and Durant. :rolleyes:

Rose and Durant are amazing but neither have Shaq's or Hakeem's level of dominance and doubt those two would get to Shaq or Hakeem's level when they were in their primes.

from the players we have now, i can see Rose being better than any player who's currently playing but come on.

[Tenchi Ryu]

again

how do we know there wont be another All-Time Great in the future?

yea... there will not be another player in the NBA in the near future that could be as good as Rose and Durant. :rolleyes:
Yea, but at the same time, its a rare a superstar just appears like that. Usually, everyone has their eye on them from the beginning, and just watch them blossom. By the time we do hear about a new great, Rose and Durant will be in Kobe and Lebron's shoes, holding it, but not for much longer.

[Bigsmoke]

Yea, but at the same time, its a rare a superstar just appears like that. Usually, everyone has their eye on them from the beginning, and just watch them blossom. By the time we do hear about a new great, Rose and Durant will be in Kobe and Lebron's shoes, holding it, but not for much longer.

i really did not remember Durant's expectations being that high.

dude was compared to Yi Jianlian before the season started

[Go Getter]

Hakeem was an all world player but I wouldn't call any players dominant other than Shaq and MJ....players I've seen personally to be specific.

[D-Wade316]

Not even top-5 this season.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

he was last week. but now that he's been missing games... kd holds that title for now.

[alenleomessi]

i really did not remember Durant's expectations being that high.

dude was compared to Yi Jianlian before the season started
Actually it was Adam Morrison. Not sure which is worse.


And i doubt that Rose can ever be the best player in the league. He might win few more MVPs but he will never be considered better than Lebron, Howard and Durant in the next 5-6 years IMO

Griffin and Irving will be right there too IMO

And then you also never know when the next once in a decade talent will come out (for ex. Lebron)

[MMM]

Rose is top 5-7
for him to be considered the best winning titles will surely help but other than that he needs to have an elite facet to his game. Currently he is very good and has no major weaknesses but for him to be considered the best he needs to do something elite in comparison to the league and not just his size/position. For example if he can become the best scorer in the league, play maker, etc or simply the best winner in the league than he would have a resume to point to as being the best player in the league.

Here are a few players who I've consider the best in the league since I've been watching this game.

Curently Lebron
prior him it was Kobe
Duncan
Shaq
Jordan
Hakeem
Jordan

For Rose to take the crown from Lebron and the player most assume is next in line in Durant is probably just be a better winner and with the team they have built around him in Chicago that is certainly a possibility over the next few years.

Finally let me preemptive strike the people who will rip me for making a post about winning then having LeBron as my current best player. I just want to point out that LeBron is in his prime while Kobe isn't as productive due natural regression.

[NumberSix]

Not even top-5 this season.
I'm not a fan of Rose or the Bulls, but the dude is top 5. Top 6 at worst. IMO, the top 3 in no particular order are Dwight, TheBron & Wade. After that you can talk about guys like Durant, Westbrook & Rose. Derrick is #6 in the league at absolute worst.

[All Net]

Not even top-5 this season.

If rose is not top 5 would be pretty embarrassing if Miami lost to the bulls then in the playoffs with two players better than him, right?

[D-Wade316]

If rose is not top 5 would be pretty embarrassing if Miami lost to the bulls then in the playoffs with two players better than him, right?
I don't think Wade and Bron would choke together in a series against the Bulls. :lol

[D-Wade316]

I'm not a fan of Rose or the Bulls, but the dude is top 5. Top 6 at worst. IMO, the top 3 in no particular order are Dwight, TheBron & Wade. After that you can talk about guys like Durant, Westbrook & Rose. Derrick is #6 in the league at absolute worst.
I agree with your top-3. Absolute best players in the league. Gives you an all-around game night in and night out. But I disagree with your second tier. You're forgetting Kobe, CP3 and Love.

[Go Getter]

Derrick doesn't do anything on an elite level? My oh my the hate is strong for our boy!

[d21221hk]

Rose best player in the league? :yaohappy:

[Celtics4ever]

The top player in the league should be able to close out games. LeBron can't do that, so I can't reward him for being the top Player.

Rose
LeBron
Dwight

[MMM]

Derrick doesn't do anything on an elite level? My oh my the hate is strong for our boy!

Can you name 1 thing in comparison with other players in the league???

He is far from being the best scorer/offensive player/play maker in the league.
He isn't the best rebounder, defender, or best leader, he also isn't the most efficient. Rose is very good in those areas and doesn't have any weakness but he doesn't really do any 1 thing among the best.

[PTB Fan]

Definitely.

No doubt about that.

[midatlantic09]

The best player in the league? Probably not.

A top 5 player in the league for the majority of his career? Yes.

[Simple Jack]

If rose is not top 5 would be pretty embarrassing if Miami lost to the bulls then in the playoffs with two players better than him, right?

I'm not sure that's how basketball works.

[cteach111]

Derrick doesn't do anything on an elite level? My oh my the hate is strong for our boy!

he doesn't :confusedshrug:

He's a very high-level all-around player, but he doesn't do anything at an all-time level. I'll concede one area.. slashing to the basket.

[blablabla]

ai, paul, nash as best players in the game? LOL wut?



Last 12 years or so, the best players in the game have been Kobe, Lebron or Shaq...none of the guys you mentioned are better than those 3
they all had an argument at least for one season

[SwooshReturns]

I'll concede one area.. slashing to the basket.
Slashing is CUTTING to the basket without the ball.

I think you mean dribble penetration, and in that regard he is most certainly at an all-time level.

[rhythmic]

Probably not. Durant has really blossomed this year... and Lebron is only 26 and having one of the best NBA seasons of all time. I think he peaks in the top 4-5 range.

Uhm give me Rose over Durant every day.

[rhythmic]

Oh yea.. think he had birthday. Either way it's going to be VERY difficult for Rose to uproot Lebron, Dwight and Kevin. So by default I only see him getting to 4-5. I think the top 5 in a couple years will be...

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Howard
4. Rose
5. Griffin

or something like that.

Because he has really shown a lot of sign of improvement this season, yeah? :biggums:

[RaininTwos]

Can you name 1 thing in comparison with other players in the league???

He is far from being the best scorer/offensive player/play maker in the league.
He isn't the best rebounder, defender, or best leader, he also isn't the most efficient. Rose is very good in those areas and doesn't have any weakness but he doesn't really do any 1 thing among the best.
Who penetrates the lane like Rose?

[goldenryan]

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[MJ(Mean John)]

No. Sadly, he's REALLY good tho.

Maybe if he actually got a second superstar with him, he would.

Not with LeBron, Wade, Durant, all still in the L.

By the time theyre out, new guys will come in and so forth.

[upside24]

you could argue that when healthy hes better then lebron.
:lol

[MMM]

Who penetrates the lane like Rose?

Who shoots like Ray Allen in his era??? but did that make him elite????

Note: Rose is closer to being elite then prime Ray just to point that out.

[D-Wade316]

Who penetrates the lane like Rose?
Wade and Westbrook.

[Go Getter]

Who shoots like Ray Allen in his era??? but did that make him elite????

Note: Rose is closer to being elite then prime Ray just to point that out.
If Ray Allen isn't an elite shooter than who the **** is?


If Derrick Rose isn't an elite penetrator, finisher, and ball handler then who is?


People hate so much they say retarded shit just to diss him.

[lpublic_enemyl]

you could argue that when healthy hes better then lebron.
lol :biggums: really go ahead....

[Odinn]

Easy... No, probably he won't.

[MMM]

If Ray Allen isn't an elite shooter than who the **** is?


If Derrick Rose isn't an elite penetrator, finisher, and ball handler then who is?


People hate so much they say retarded shit just to diss him.

Ray Allen is an elite shooter but that didn't make him an elite basketball player.

[PHaYze]

Ray Allen is an elite shooter but that didn't make him an elite basketball player.
Right on the money.

Just cause Rose does 1 or 2 things at an elite level that doesn't make him an elite player.

Melo a few years back was an elite scorer, did that make him an elite player? Nope.

Rose has come a long ways from his rookie year but he still has a far ways to go if he's gonna be considered an all-time great.