Lakers better off without Kobe

[zizozain]

he's hurting the team this season .. i think he should take a break

too many shots .. team chemistry issue

watch the Lakers go 10/0 without him

[gtfomyface]

honestly he's good to have on the team but just not as impactful as someone like lebron.

lakers would still be a great team with bynum and gasol being 1st and 2nd option.

[LA_Showtime]

I jokingly said in another thread that Buss will waive Kobe before his contract is up, and if he continues to chuck shots up and play like a poor man's Allen Iverson than I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually happened. I'm just surprised he's not being called out by the media. They don't exactly like the guy, and they have every tool in their disposal to rip his games to shreds.

[RRR3]

Nah, he's still one of the best in the NBA, you just have to put up with his hogging at times.

[PJR]

Agreed. Big Bynum and Gasol would average 20/10 a piece without Kobrick shot jacking..

Lakers should consider the amnesty on Kobrick this summer.

[LA_Showtime]

Nah, he's still one of the best in the NBA, you just have to put up with his hogging at times.

And by "at times" you mean "all times."

[pauk]

Hater! :D

nah.. like i said on the other thread, Kobe just needs to rewrite his shots / shot selection, be just a tad bit more unselfish and try to get his shots within the flow of the offense (instead of forcing them like a maniac)... that might increase his efficiency and hence Lakers success

[StateOfMind12]

If Kobe couldn't accept that Shaq was better than him, what makes you think he is going to accept the fact that Bynum and Gasol are better? :oldlol:

[Doranku]

I just don't understand what he's doing right now. Earlier on in the season, I could understand because the Lakers didn't look like they had a shot in hell at contending.

But now, Bynum is playing like a God. Gasol will be more focused now that the trade deadline has passed. We filled a major hole in our roster by picking up Sessions. There's no reason to believe that this Laker team isn't good enough to come out of the West.

That being said, why isn't Kobe playing into the team concept now with a contending team? I don't get it.

[zizozain]

I jokingly said in another thread that Buss will waive Kobe before his contract is up, and if he continues to chuck shots up and play like a poor man's Allen Iverson than I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually happened. I'm just surprised he's not being called out by the media. They don't exactly like the guy, and they have every tool in their disposal to rip his games to shreds.
kobe joins the Cavs and the make the playoffs and take care of Heat.
:lol

[Heavincent]

If Kobe couldn't accept that Shaq was better than him, what makes you think he is going to accept the fact that Bynum and Gasol are better? :oldlol:

But Bynum and Gasol aren't better than Kobe...

[gtfomyface]

i mean he's still a great player, maybe if he was more efficient, had the mindset of a stat padder and stopped taking horrible shots :pimp:

[RRR3]

And by "at times" you mean "all times."
Well I suppose, but over the years I've noticed Kobe only truly hogs the way some people accuse him of is when the game is close in the 4th quarter (then he literally does never pass, with occasional exceptions). Part of it may be that he's not as good as he once was, but he's refusing to accept it.

[icewill36]

lol.. theyre not better without kobe, its just with lack of talent outside of gasol and bynum, the lakers will struggle if hes not shooting it well.

he started the season out on fire, now his shooting % is steadily declining.

oh well, fukk the lakers :banana:

[RRR3]

I just don't understand what he's doing right now. Earlier on in the season, I could understand because the Lakers didn't look like they had a shot in hell at contending.

But now, Bynum is playing like a God. Gasol will be more focused now that the trade deadline has passed. We filled a major hole in our roster by picking up Sessions. There's no reason to believe that this Laker team isn't good enough to come out of the West.

That being said, why isn't Kobe playing into the team concept now with a contending team? I don't get it.
He's protesting Mike Brown's insistence on starting Steve Blake :D

[chazzy]

Main problem is that he's been pretty bad in crunch time this year. Those iso pullup jumpers aren't falling like they used to so there needs to be a change. He had a good stretch of clutch games last week, but it's been pretty bad overall

[Godzuki]

I jokingly said in another thread that Buss will waive Kobe before his contract is up, and if he continues to chuck shots up and play like a poor man's Allen Iverson than I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually happened. I'm just surprised he's not being called out by the media. They don't exactly like the guy, and they have every tool in their disposal to rip his games to shreds.


the media LOVES kobe. they all consider him the best player in the game still, even tho he's not. well general media does....

in fact there is nobody more adored in the NBA from media and general fans than kobe tbh.

[StateOfMind12]

But Bynum and Gasol aren't better than Kobe...
Gasol might not be but Bynum is and I think that is quite clear at this point.

[KingJames99]

I thought now that they had Sessions Kobe wouldn't shoot as much but maybe not.

He is chucking himself to a scoring title.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Lol some of the shit said on this forum can only be said on the internet. I'd really like to see the reactions some of you guys would get if you went into the real world and said that the Lakers don't need Kobe.

[Quizno]

it'll be fine, he just needs to get used to bynum being a monster. and sorry but pau just is not very good anymore. he just takes contested fadeaways a la kobe but can't shoot like kobe. anybody who's watched the lakers this season has to have noticed this. he lost his half hook shot and favors ridiculous fadeaways and hardly ever even tries to post up, it's so frustrating

kobe's shot is off these days but his shot selection isn't that much worse than normal, but he definitely needs to give it to bynum more. pau needs to man the **** up.

[Heavincent]

Gasol might not be but Bynum is and I think that is quite clear at this point.

No, definitely not.

[Indian guy]

I'm just surprised he's not being called out by the media. They don't exactly like the guy, and they have every tool in their disposal to rip his games to shreds.

Kobe has nothing to lose. All a superstar has to prove in his career is if he can lead his team to the championship as THE MAN. Kobe's done it twice. His place is secure. He can only add to his legacy now(through more rings), not subtract. His poor efficiency this season is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. That's why the media doesn't care.

[LA_Showtime]

Well I suppose, but over the years I've noticed Kobe only truly hogs the way some people accuse him of is when the game is close in the 4th quarter (then he literally does never pass, with occasional exceptions). Part of it may be that he's not as good as he once was, but he's refusing to accept it.

There are two versions of ball-hog Kobe.

Version #1. Only hogs when the games out of reach. Statline ends up looking worse because of forced shots at the end of games.

Version #2. Egotistical, narcissistic Kobe. Comes into games with a clear agenda: Shoot.

Seen a lot more of version 2 this year.

[StateOfMind12]

No, definitely not.
I'm sorry you can't accept reality that Kobe is no longer the same player he once was a few years ago.

Bynum is better than Kobe at this point. I'm pretty sure most Lakers fans could even agree.

[Heavincent]

Kobe has nothing to lose. All a superstar has to prove in his career is if he can lead his team to the championship as THE MAN. Kobe's done it twice. His place is secure. He can only add to his legacy now(through more rings), not subtract. His poor efficiency this season is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. That's why the media doesn't care.

Pretty much. The fact that Kobe is still an elite player is extremely impressive.

[Heavincent]

I'm sorry you can't accept reality that Kobe is no longer the same player he once was a few years ago.

Bynum is better than Kobe at this point. I'm pretty sure most Lakers fans could even agree.

Of course he's not the player he once was. But he's still clearly the best player on the team. Lets not overreact.

[RRR3]

I'm sorry you can't accept reality that Kobe is no longer the same player he once was a few years ago.

Bynum is better than Kobe at this point. I'm pretty sure most Lakers fans could even agree.
Bynum is gaining on Kobe, but he hasn't caught him quite yet. He will in the near future though IMO

[White Mamba]

Main problem is that he's been pretty bad in crunch time this year. Those iso pullup jumpers aren't falling like they used to so there needs to be a change. He had a good stretch of clutch games last week, but it's been pretty bad overall

HE SHOOT 3-7 IN 4TH TONIGHT ALSO TIED THE GAME AT 101, LAKERS ALLOWED 35 4TH QUARTER POINTS YET INSIDEHOOPS BLAME KOBE.

10-27 IS BAD BUT KOBE IS NOT THE REASON WE LOST THE LEAD, NO DEFENSE.

[qrich]

I jokingly said in another thread that Buss will waive Kobe before his contract is up, and if he continues to chuck shots up and play like a poor man's Allen Iverson than I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually happened. I'm just surprised he's not being called out by the media. They don't exactly like the guy, and they have every tool in their disposal to rip his games to shreds.

Do it, Clippers can use some bench scoring :D

[StateOfMind12]

Of course he's not the player he once was. But he's still clearly the best player on the team. Lets not overreact.
How is Kobe best player on the Lakers and how is it clear? Go ahead and explain to me if you are so confident in your belief.

[PickernRoller]

Lakers without Kobe won't pass first round and I hardly believe they'll even get 8th seed. Stupidiest thread ever.........:yaohappy:

Sure..........goes to show how retarded people in this forum are....I guess is time to migrate.....


How is Kobe best player on the Lakers and how is it clear? Go ahead and explain to me if you are so confident in your belief.

:facepalm :facepalm Hopefully no one wastes his time answering ehheheeh

[Heavincent]

How is Kobe best player on the Lakers and how is it clear? Go ahead and explain to me if you are so confident in your belief.

Because he's one of the 3 best scorers in the league. He's constantly putting up with double teams but still manages to score 25+ on a daily basis. Very few players in the league can do what Kobe can.

29/6/5 on 43% is still a very impressive stat line, especially for a guy in his 16th season.

[ac_gold_26]

There are two versions of ball-hog Kobe.

Version #1. Only hogs when the games out of reach. Statline ends up looking worse because of forced shots at the end of games.

Version #2. Egotistical, narcissistic Kobe. Comes into games with a clear agenda: Shoot.

Seen a lot more of version 2 this year.
I don't like the lakers I hate them but I think they can come out of the west if Kobe just has better shoot selection. I don't understand why he has too take every shoot in the 4th quater over double teams.

[longtime lurker]

This is an idiotic thread, but Kobe seriously needs to buy into this team and what Sessions can do. Derek Fisher isn't starting anymore, no need for him to do everything.....

[guy]

Lakers should've done a Kobe/Gasol trade to the Celtics for Rondo/KG/Allen at the deadline. That would've been CRAZY!

[StateOfMind12]

Because he's one of the 3 best scorers in the league. He's constantly putting up with double teams but still manages to score 25+ on a daily basis. Very few players in the league can do what Kobe can.

29/6/5 on 43% is still a very impressive stat line, especially for a guy in his 16th season.
So because Kobe is the best scorer on the team despite scoring with horrible efficiency that makes him the best player on the team and clearly the best player on the team? :rolleyes:

Lets compare Kobe to Bynum now.

Bynum scores much more efficiently than Kobe does, Bynum is a much better rebounder than Kobe is, and Bynum is a much much much much better of a defender than Kobe is.

But since Kobe is the better scorer under much worse efficiency and the better passer/playmaker, that means he is better than Bynum?

[Bladers]

I jokingly said in another thread that Buss will waive Kobe before his contract is up, and if he continues to chuck shots up and play like a poor man's Allen Iverson than I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually happened. I'm just surprised he's not being called out by the media. They don't exactly like the guy, and they have every tool in their disposal to rip his games to shreds.

LOL you act like kobe cares??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dictator]

LOL you act like kobe cares??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Even though he gives that image to the media. I pretty sure Kobe and the whole Lakers' franchise cares.....

[Fuhrer Hubbs]

Because he's one of the 3 best scorers in the league. He's constantly putting up with double teams but still manages to score 25+ on a daily basis. Very few players in the league can do what Kobe can.

29/6/5 on 43% is still a very impressive stat line, especially for a guy in his 16th season.

Bynum is a great defensive player and Kobe is ok at times, but not nearly as impactful as Bynum does. The guy literally rapes the entire paint...

The reason Bynums stats arn't better than they are is because Kobe takes twice as many shots as him when his efficiency is complete crap. Kobe relies on low percentage shots at this point in his career to get by. He will still be able to score, but he can no longer get to the rim and have the high percentage shots he used to get. Hell even when he gets to the rim he doesn't get as high anymore. He is a shell of his former self no matter how many PPG he has. Anyone in the NBA can score a bunch of points if they take as many shots as Kobe does.

Bynum just may be the best low post player in the league. He is superior to Howard offensively in the post because he is bigger, longer, and more flluid with his moves. He is just underutilized so he doesn't have the numbers to back this up. If Kobe deferred to Bynum and went for higher percentage shots while scoring 20-22 PPG the Lakers would be a much better team.

[Heavincent]

So because Kobe is the best scorer on the team despite scoring with horrible efficiency that makes him the best player on the team and clearly the best player on the team? :rolleyes:

Lets compare Kobe to Bynum now.

Bynum scores much more efficiently than Kobe does, Bynum is a much better rebounder than Kobe is, and Bynum is a much much much much better of a defender than Kobe is.

But since Kobe is the better scorer under much worse efficiency and the better passer/playmaker, that means he is better than Bynum?

lol why wouldn't Bynum be a better rebounder? He's ****ing 7 feet tall and plays center. He damn well better be a better rebounder than Kobe.

You're acting like's shooting 38% or something. He's shooting 43% on the season; a mere 2% lower than his career average.

[guy]

So because Kobe is the best scorer on the team despite scoring with horrible efficiency that makes him the best player on the team and clearly the best player on the team? :rolleyes:

Lets compare Kobe to Bynum now.

Bynum scores much more efficiently than Kobe does, Bynum is a much better rebounder than Kobe is, and Bynum is a much much much much better of a defender than Kobe is.

But since Kobe is the better scorer under much worse efficiency and the better passer/playmaker, that means he is better than Bynum?

There's still questions about Bynum's consistency and durability. Let him keep up what he's been doing in March for 6 months instead of 1 month, then you would have a point.

Seriously, if Bynum had normal durability and kept playing like this while Kobe kept playing the way he's been playing the past few games and wouldn't adjust, I think the Lakers would seriously consider trading Kobe.

[Bladers]

So because Kobe is the best scorer on the team despite scoring with horrible efficiency that makes him the best player on the team and clearly the best player on the team? :rolleyes:

Lets compare Kobe to Bynum now.

Bynum scores much more efficiently than Kobe does, Bynum is a much better rebounder than Kobe is, and Bynum is a much much much much better of a defender than Kobe is.

But since Kobe is the better scorer under much worse efficiency and the better passer/playmaker, that means he is better than Bynum?

lol @ this idiot. getting 4 alley ops a game and 4 putbacks a game doesn't make you the best player on the team. :facepalm

[KingBeasley08]

Threads like these differentiate between Kobe stans and Laker fans

[RazorBaLade]

So far kobes season has been good month bad month good month bad month... currently in a bad month.

No need to overreact , hes shown he still has it in him but obviously some nights I'd just like to see him go out there for 25 or 30 min and only take 18 shots. Meh just the regular season tho.. lakers dont need to prove anything till playoffs

[PickernRoller]

lol @ this idiot. getting 4 alley ops a game and 4 putbacks a game doesn't make you the best player on the team. :facepalm

Bynum not even close to D12 and look at how D12 is faring.........too much hate.......when kids are out for a break you know it's time to log off.....

Peace Bladers.....till tomorrow

[heyhey]

Kobe is declining, there's no denying that now

and when great players decline the first thing that goes is consistency. hence the drop in his FG%, he can still have big nights as he has demonstrated this season but between those scoring outbursts will be more subpar games

I think it will take him this season and playoffs to come to grips with his own decline and realize the mortality of his own game cause right now he's still trying to do 2006 kobe

[rodman91]

http://i.imgur.com/MsgXw.gif

[I<3NBA]

why isn't Kobe playing into the team concept now with a contending team? I don't get it.
because Mike Brown is the coach? Knicks suddenly improved when D'Antoni resigned. maybe Brown getting fired will do the same for the Lakers.

[Whoah10115]

Kobe is inexcusable.



But Mike Brown is not right. It seems he can't deal with superstars. Or at least not superstars like Lebron and Kobe. Lebron seems a clearly good guy, but between him being stupid and the fragility and immaturity, Brown can't handle him (especially with the added worship of playing in his hometown).


Kobe is something else...and that was the obvious problem and the Lakers are hilarious for being so terse in hiring him.


And yea, I'm saying he has to be fired at the end of the season...unless he's actually learned something. He's yet to show anything.



And Kobe should grow up.

[tmacattack33]

Hater! :D

nah.. like i said on the other thread, Kobe just needs to rewrite his shots / shot selection, be just a tad bit more unselfish and try to get his shots within the flow of the offense (instead of forcing them like a maniac)... that might increase his efficiency and hence Lakers success


If it was that easy then why didn't he do that 10 years ago and end up actually shooting over 47% once in his career? He even had prime Shaq on his team for 5-6 years and still couldn't do it.

It's part of his game. If he stops shooting tough shots, he will stop scoring and become useless.

[oh the horror]

Problem is....I see an aging Kobe, still with a TON of skill to play the game, but pushing himself to "prove people wrong" and trying to play like number 8 Kobe.



Problem is, as we all know, he isnt that kid anymore.


He simply has to learn to adjust his game. I see him pushing, and pushing, and pushing. He has great games, but as a dude said before me a few posts above....there are starting to be WAY too many subpar games in between those good games.

[Whoah10115]

Problem is....I see an aging Kobe, still with a TON of skill to play the game, but pushing himself to "prove people wrong" and trying to play like number 8 Kobe.


Problem is, as we all know, he isnt that kid anymore.


He simply has to learn to adjust his game. I see him pushing, and pushing, and pushing. He has great games, but as a dude said before me a few posts above....there are starting to be WAY too many subpar games in between those good games.



This is completely accurate. He was talking about adjusting to Father Time, earlier this season. But he's the greatest example of someone who doesn't. He's such a cocky bastard, but on the floor his game is not so cocky. He forces way too much. His wrist, to be very fair to him, is clearly an issue. His handling isn't smooth and he's got one of the best handles in the league. But neither Father Time nor the wrist are stopping him from over-dribbling.


He seriously screws with the flow when he puts so much effort into getting a stupid shot.

[guy]

lol @ this idiot. getting 4 alley ops a game and 4 putbacks a game doesn't make you the best player on the team. :facepalm

If a player is able to get 4 alley oops and 4 putbacks a game that means that player is big, long, and/or athletic and is a great offensive rebounder. Considering Bynum is also more then just that, you're not saying much and completely downplaying him.

[guy]

So far kobes season has been good month bad month good month bad month... currently in a bad month.

No need to overreact , hes shown he still has it in him but obviously some nights I'd just like to see him go out there for 25 or 30 min and only take 18 shots. Meh just the regular season tho.. lakers dont need to prove anything till playoffs

Kobe's FG%, since 09 have been going down post all-star break vs pre all star break, which does show that he's getting old cause he can't keep up better play throughout a whole season. These last 20 games for him could be rough.

[Stern]

Bynum is so overrated on ISH. People say he is more fluid in the post than dwight when in fact Bynum gets away travelling on most post ups.

[Cali Syndicate]

lol @ this idiot. getting 4 alley ops a game and 4 putbacks a game doesn't make you the best player on the team. :facepalm

Bynum grabs 4 offensive rebounds per game and converts a bucket with each one?

Bynum is pretty damn good.

[Lebron23]

Good luck in the playoffs. Bynum will force the Lakers franchise to trade an aging Kobe Bryant in the off season. Jim Buss is planning to build his team around Bynum. Andrew will be the Lakers number one scoring option next year.

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe's FG%, since 09 have been going down post all-star break vs pre all star break, which does show that he's getting old cause he can't keep up better play throughout a whole season. These last 20 games for him could be rough.

yeah but for all we know he considers that time practice on the floor for his jumpshot lol. he has always played really well in the playoffs (minus 1 series here or there) and then not so well in the finals but in the playoffs i dont think his post all star break poor FG% matters.. so meh who cares. still gotta beat SAS 2 or 3 times if we want to be 2nd and 3rd is pretty much guaranteed.

[RazorBaLade]

Good luck in the playoffs. Bynum will force the Lakers franchise to trade an aging Kobe Bryant in the off season. Jerry Buss is planning to build his team around Bynum.

kobe has a no trade clause - bynum says he wants to be a laker and sign an extension

do the math to determine if bynum wants to keep playing with kobe

[LakersReign]

he's hurting the team this season .. i think he should take a break

too many shots .. team chemistry issue

watch the Lakers go 10/0 without him

Take Kobe off this team and it sinks like a stone. Bynum, Pau, Metta, Barnes, Blake have all, for the most part been inconsistent this season, so it's not like this is the Bulls where they can do without their best player. If the other role players step up and play, then Kobe wouldn't have to play "hero ball" at all. It's real easy to say dump the ball inside to Drew, but even though he's beasting, but he still hasn't learned to pass out of double teams like Shaq used to. I quite agree Kobe needs to adjust his game, but the problem is hardly just him.

[I<3NBA]

Take Kobe off this team and it sinks like a stone. Bynum, Pau, Metta, Barnes, Blake have all, for the most part been inconsistent this season, so it's not like this is the Bulls where they can do without their best player. If the other role players step up and play, then Kobe wouldn't have to play "hero ball" at all. It's real easy to say dump the ball inside to Drew, but even though he's beasting, but he still hasn't learned to pass out of double teams like Shaq used to. I quite agree Kobe needs to adjust his game, but the problem is hardly just him.
Pau and Bynum would play better without Kobe. those two dudes don't bust their ass on defense when Kobe ignores them.

[LakersReign]

Pau and Bynum would play better without Kobe. those two dudes don't bust their ass on defense when Kobe ignores them.

Uh huh:rolleyes:

So...who's going to be the #1 offensive option when 1) the defense keeps double teaming Drew, causing him to make silly turnovers, and 2) when Pau has an off-season like now?!:facepalm




Try again:no:

[I<3NBA]

Uh huh:rolleyes:

So...who's going to be the #1 offensive option when 1) the defense keeps double teaming Drew, and 2) when Pau has an off-season like now?!:facepalm




Try again:no:
Pau has an off-season because of the trade rumors. he's playing better now and would play even better without Kobe. a 1-2 of Drew and Pau would be chaos in the paint. and let's not get into the subject of getting a better shooter with Kobe's salary off the books.

[LakersReign]

Pau has an off-season because of the trade rumors. he's playing better now and would play even better without Kobe. a 1-2 of Drew and Pau would be chaos in the paint. and let's not get into the subject of getting a better shooter with Kobe's salary off the books.

Right.:rolleyes:

Couldn't help but notice how you avoided answering the question, but we already know why:facepalm



Nice try:applause:

[lbj23clutch]

Unless LA wins a chip or two within the next year I have a feeling The Mamba is gonna retire when his contract expires in 2014. I can't imagine him accepting a lesser role, not with all that pride running through his veins. And he should retire when that contract expires for the benefit of his legacy, he has nothing else to prove.

[Shih508]

Take Kobe off this team and it sinks like a stone. Bynum, Pau, Metta, Barnes, Blake have all, for the most part been inconsistent this season, so it's not like this is the Bulls where they can do without their best player. If the other role players step up and play, then Kobe wouldn't have to play "hero ball" at all. It's real easy to say dump the ball inside to Drew, but even though he's beasting, but he still hasn't learned to pass out of double teams like Shaq used to. I quite agree Kobe needs to adjust his game, but the problem is hardly just him.

Take Bynum out of this line up, they prolly sink even more, so what's ur point STAN

[The Choken One]

Unless LA wins a chip or two within the next year I have a feeling The Mamba is gonna retire when his contract expires in 2014. I can't imagine him accepting a lesser role, not with all that pride running through his veins. And he should retire when that contract expires for the benefit of his legacy, he has nothing else to prove.
He'll still have game, though...just not option 1 game. If only he could put his ego to the side and become second fiddle...:kobe:

ya...never happening.

[LakersReign]

Take Bynum out of this line up, they prolly sink even more, so what's ur point STAN


You do realize that Bynum wouldn't get the touches he gets WITHOUT Kobe commanding the defense....right?!:facepalm

[strifed169]

The bigs of LA would dominate the court if Koballhog wasn't present, it would be fun to watch them play team basketball

[lbj23clutch]

He'll still have game, though...just not option 1 game. If only he could put his ego to the side and become second fiddle...:kobe:

ya...never happening.
Exactly. He'll definitely still be ballin', but he got too much pride for that sh*t. So for the sake of his legacy I hope he retires in 2014 before it gets bad. Boy that's gonna be a sad day. But hey I'd rather see Kobe end his career gracefully then him continuing to chuck like a first option till he's 40.

[Micku]

I wouldn't say better.

It just that Kobe is shooting too much and not executing it. Shooting like 24-26 shots a game while only making 38-40% of them is not cutting it. Cut it down and trust in your teammates with Gasol and Bynum. It's understandable sometimes, but the way Kobe shoots mess up the flow of the offense.

[RazorBaLade]

paus best seasons have been as a laker alongside kobe... it is ludicrous to think he doesnt benefit. kobe and pau play great together. face it guys, we barely lost without the 2nd option and the 1st option shot poorly. him and drew would not work... unless you replace kobe with one of the top 3 or 4 nba players and i mean thats understandable that theyd be a better regular season team.

hous should be happy it won but the lakers are pretty much at least fan expectation wise and their own outlook I hope is lets chill and get ready for the playoffs... this is not a big deal

[I<3NBA]

Right.:rolleyes:

Couldn't help but notice how you avoided answering the question, but we already know why:facepalm



Nice try:applause:
oh, so you don't know how to read?

a 1-2 of Drew and Pau would be chaos in the paint
Bynum 1, Pau 2. 1-2 options. Kobe fans are not only idiots. they also have zero reading comprehension.


unless you replace kobe with one of the top 3 or 4 nba players
with Kobe's salary off the books, they can get 2 to 3 good shooters that don't have Kobe's selfishness. they are a deadly team if you replace Kobe with someone else better.

[LakersReign]

oh, so you don't know how to read?

Bynum 1, Pau 2. 1-2 options. Kobe fans are not only idiots. they also have zero reading comprehension.

...says this idiot(i<3nba) desperately trying to use misdirection to avoid answering a simple question. Then embarrasses himself even further TRYING to talk about reading comprehension.:roll:

Oh, and by the way, until Drew learns how to pass out of double teams WITHOUT turning the ball over. Calling him a first option on offense is laughable and wreaks of knowing nothing about basketball:facepalm

And another thing, the question STILL stands:applause:

[RazorBaLade]

with Kobe's salary off the books, they can get 2 to 3 good shooters that don't have Kobe's selfishness. they are a deadly team if you replace Kobe with someone else better.

Thats obvious that if you replace a player with someone better the team will get better, I agree, but that doesn't speak poorly of Kobe in any sense. If you removed lebrons salary and put Howard on that team the Heat get better but that doesn't make Howard>bron or anything of the sort.

As far as the 3 shooters thing, no. This team is not going to be better or even close to as good if you take off kobe and add ray allen and chase budinger. It's just insane.

You'd need a player who can create off the dribble and gets double teamed. You can count the players that would improve the lakers minus kobe on 1 hand.

[I<3NBA]

...says this idiot(i<3nba) desperately trying to use misdirection to avoid answering a simple question. Then embarrasses himself even further TRYING to talk about reading comprehension.:roll:

Oh, and by the way, until Drew learns how to pass out of double teams WITHOUT turning the ball over. Calling him a first option on offense is laughable and wreaks of knowing nothing about basketball:facepalm
i think we know who the idiot is. Bynum doesn't pass out of double teams because he's afraid he's not going to get back the ball again. you remove Kobe from the equation and Bynum will suddenly discover he knows how to pass back out of a double team. you're the one who don't know a thing about basketball if you can't comprehend how inside-out basketball works.

[RazorBaLade]

i think we know who the idiot is. Bynum doesn't pass out of double teams because he's afraid he's not going to get back the ball again. you remove Kobe from the equation and Bynum will suddenly discover he knows how to pass back out of a double team. you're the one who don't know a thing about basketball if you can't comprehend how inside-out basketball works.

okkkkkay then you have exposed yourself and no one should respond to you from this point on... this is ****ing HOF dumb worthy....

[I<3NBA]

Thats obvious that if you replace a player with someone better the team will get better, I agree, but that doesn't speak poorly of Kobe in any sense. If you removed lebrons salary and put Howard on that team the Heat get better but that doesn't make Howard>bron or anything of the sort.

As far as the 3 shooters thing, no. This team is not going to be better or even close to as good if you take off kobe and add ray allen and chase budinger. It's just insane.

You'd need a player who can create off the dribble and gets double teamed. You can count the players that would improve the lakers minus kobe on 1 hand.
we disagree with this one. i think Lakers become deadly with Ray Allen rather than Kobe. Bynum is already getting doubled, so he functions as the focus of the team's offense. no need at all to create off the dribble if you're going to start your offense from the post. you have two 7 footers in your team. use them better.

[LakersReign]

i think we know who the idiot is. Bynum doesn't pass out of double teams because he's afraid he's not going to get back the ball again. you remove Kobe from the equation and Bynum will suddenly discover he knows how to pass back out of a double team. you're the one who don't know a thing about basketball if you can't comprehend how inside-out basketball works.

So...according to you(i<3nba) Drew will MAGICALLY learn how to pass out of double teams once Kobe the ballhog is no longer on the team.....right?! But then you turn right around and claim him to be the #1 scoring option for the Lakers without Kobe. It's real clear that the only idiot(i<3nba) here is obviously YOU(i<3nba).

Please continue to further embarrass yourself:facepalm

[Punpun]

>Waving off the guy that makes your team gains 70M just by being there

Idiots.

[I<3NBA]

The only idiot(i<3nba) here is CLEARLY YOU(i<3nba). Yeah take Kobe off the team and Drew will MAGICALLY learn how to pass out of double teams. You have no real idea of how ludicrous you sound right now....do you?! Never mind the FACT that Kobe is the one who draws the defense making it easier for Drew. The only person here with comprehension issues here is CLEARLY you(i<3nba):applause:

Please continue to further embarrass yourself:facepalm
oh yeah. like you declaring it is going to make it come true :rolleyes: Bynum doesn't need magic to learn how to pass out of double teams. he knows how. he just doesn't want to give up the ball with a chucker on his team. he forces the issue because he knows Kobe will chuck up another shot instead of re-establishing him in the post. give him a player that will reassure him he will get his touches and i tell you, he'll pass that ball when a double team comes.

[LakersReign]

oh yeah. like you declaring it is going to make it come true :rolleyes: Bynum doesn't need magic to learn how to pass out of double teams. he knows how. he just doesn't want to give up the ball with a chucker on his team. he forces the issue because he knows Kobe will chuck up another shot instead of re-establishing him in the post. give him a player that will reassure him he will get his touches and i tell you, he'll pass that ball when a double team comes.

This from the same dumba**(i<3nba) who just said Drew will MAGICALLY learn how to pass out of double teams once Kobe the ballhog is no longer on the team?:lol


Hilarious:roll:

[GOBB_Junior]

A tisk-it a task-it, I'll go tit for tat with anybody who's talking this and that shit.
LakersReign you can get your ass kicked. Worse than them little Kobe bastards,
And Kobe You can get stomped by Obie, you 34 year old bald headed *** blow me. You don't know me, you're too old let go it's over, nobody listens to Brandy.

Now let's go, just give me the signal I'll be there with a whole list full of new insults.

:kobe::kobe::kobe:

[LakersReign]

Like you(gobb junior) saying some stupid sh*t like that, is going to make it true.:sleeping

So....according to you(gobb junior), I'm supposedly getting my a** kicked by some dumba**(i<3nba) who seems to think this is either "Harry Potter" or "Wizards Of Waverly Place." By saying that Drew will MAGICALLY learn how to pass out of double teams once Kobe the ballhog is no longer on the team?!:facepalm

You(gobb junior) had that one going differently in your mind....didn't you?!:roll:

[Punpun]

I've got no idea what the problem is here. The big got 25 touches. Kobe 27. But Kobe is the only guy able to hit Jshot in the lineup. So you have more or less half the touch to Kobe and half the touch to the big 2. It works out. That's like 1/3 for Kobe, 1/3 for Bynum/Gasol, 1/3 rest of the team.

No, what is stupid as **** is that while the Lakers now have a legit PG, Kobe is still forced to be the PG for the starters. Wake up Brown for **** sake.

[DirtySanchez]

Don't get Kobe at all right now. Stop forcing his game.....let it come to you damn it.

[IamRAMBO24]

Lol some of the shit said on this forum can only be said on the internet. I'd really like to see the reactions some of you guys would get if you went into the real world and said that the Lakers don't need Kobe.

:oldlol:

Look at this sensitive drama queen threatening ISH posters with violence for expressing a negative opinion about the Lakers.

Dude literally cried when I said, "the only way Kobe will be in the spot light again is if he rapes another chick."

I really like the Lakers, but with fans like these, it's hard to share the same band wagon. Get a life you f*ckin loser. Seriously.

[M.V.W.]

I doubt it. Most of the losses this season come from the Big 3 not having a perfect game or Bryant not scoring well. Bynum, despite playing well this season, does not sway games. There has been games when he's the best player but the Lakers still lost. While Bryant does need to use better shot selection, he still needs to score. Barely anyone outside the Big 3 scores consistently. Turnovers are not helping either. And for all the emphasis on defense, I don't understand why they leave shooters wide open.

[Faptastrophe]

I dream of a Lakers where a coach can come in and actually tell Kobe to chillax and stop playing so retarded.
"Kobe, if you keep wasting our possessions I'll put you on the bench."

Also can't wait for Bynum to become the 1st option for LA.

[ZenMaster]

I've got no idea what the problem is here. The big got 25 touches. Kobe 27. But Kobe is the only guy able to hit Jshot in the lineup. So you have more or less half the touch to Kobe and half the touch to the big 2. It works out. That's like 1/3 for Kobe, 1/3 for Bynum/Gasol, 1/3 rest of the team.

No, what is stupid as **** is that while the Lakers now have a legit PG, Kobe is still forced to be the PG for the starters. Wake up Brown for **** sake.


Ehh Lakers haven't lost any of their last two games in the first quarter.

[pegasus]

Gasol and Bynum get plenty of touches, but the defenses allow them to take only so many shots.

Gasol never forces it and passes the ball to a degree that it's almost over-passing. Something happened to his post moves this year (maybe he's slowed down), he just cannot back his defenders down and score like he used to. Nowadays he either just shoots a jumper or passes it.

Bynum does force it a lot, but the double team renders him ineffective. When double teamed, he either losses the ball or misses badly underneath the basket.

Kobe also forces and takes bad shots sometimes, especially when the game is close, but let's not act like he can't make tough shots. He made his career out of it.

Their D is the real problem. When you have a double digit lead, you should be able to hold on to it late in fourth quarters.

[Dave3]

I've got no idea what the problem is here. The big got 25 touches. Kobe 27.
Just thought it was noteworthy to add that when you say "big" you mean both of them combined, compared to Kobe. That's all.

With that said...as long as your coach does nothing it's still going to go this way.

[NumberSix]

Amnesty him and use that $30M to pick up 2 or 3 nice players. You could pay for Dwight and still have like 11 or 12 million left for another good player with that money.

[DuMa]

i've been saying amnesty kobe right after the lockout ended.

[LA_Showtime]

Amnesty him and use that $30M to pick up 2 or 3 nice players. You could pay for Dwight and still have like 11 or 12 million left for another good player with that money.

Do we really need Bynum, Gasol, and Dwight?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Amnesty him and use that $30M to pick up 2 or 3 nice players. You could pay for Dwight and still have like 11 or 12 million left for another good player with that money.

I can become a Lakers fan again if this happens.

[LABean]

Bookmarked. Will bump when Kobe wins 2012 Finals MVP.

[pegasus]

i've been saying amnesty kobe right after the lockout ended.

You also called Lin out for staying in the NBA instead of finding a nice job with his degree from Harvard. You are sporting a Lin avatar now, so...:no:

[Faptastrophe]

Bookmarked. Will bump when Kobe wins 2012 Finals MVP.
http://i.imgur.com/PkKOT.png

[LABean]

http://i.imgur.com/PkKOT.png
:kobe:

[Faptastrophe]

:kobe:
OM NOM NOM!
http://i.imgur.com/bsNeK.png

[Eric Cartman]

Amnesty him and use that $30M to pick up 2 or 3 nice players. You could pay for Dwight and still have like 11 or 12 million left for another good player with that money.

Beyond moronic.

[DuMa]

You also called Lin out for staying in the NBA instead of finding a nice job with his degree from Harvard. You are sporting a Lin avatar now, so...:no:

no idea what ur talking about.

[SwooshReturns]

Do we really need Bynum, Gasol, and Dwight?
The exact opposite reaction of sissy as LeBron / Miami Heat fans ...

:applause:

[pegasus]

no idea what ur talking about.
So you're not "Nash" today? Got it, Mr. Hyde is hiding.

[NumberSix]

Beyond moronic.
Yeah, getting a superior player for much less money is moronic. Makes perfect sense.

[chazzy]

Yeah, getting a superior player for much less money is moronic. Makes perfect sense.
The Lakers wouldn't have much cap space in the short term even if Kobe played for free

[tpols]

The Lakers will go nowhere without Kobe in the playoffs.

[rodman91]

Bulls GM destroyed Bulls dynasty. They pretty much said to Jordan & Phil Jackson **** off and made guys like Pippen & Rodman to go away. And it happend after 6th championship.

Gotta admire Lakers' loyality so far.

[Disaprine]

people saying amnesty :lol

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

could the Lakers be better without Kobe? yes. IF he is replaced with a very very high-level talent.
Kobe is still a top-10 talent in this league, despite his age.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

said differently, there is NO other SG in the league I would rather have than Kobe...except PERHAPS DWade, and even then I would have to think about it.
So you would have to replace Kobe with an ELITE point guard to make them a better team.

[Heavincent]

i've been saying amnesty kobe right after the lockout ended.

Probably one of the worst ideas I've ever heard on ISH.

[Bladers]

I lol'd :oldlol:

[gengiskhan]

said differently, there is NO other SG in the league I would rather have than Kobe...except PERHAPS DWade, and even then I would have to think about it.
So you would have to replace Kobe with an ELITE point guard to make them a better team.

do you even realise kobe is shooting 43% & taking 24 FGA.

do you realise kobe is the reason why Kobe has such poor road record.

do you even realise all the kobe clutch so called game winners are coming off poor bottom feeders who should be put away in middle of the 4th quarter.

all other teams do. Lakers make an OT thriller out of poor sub 500 bottom feeding teams.

Kobe should be amnestied as soon as possible. so that Lakers land Dwight next year.

[VeeCee15]

LAKERS ARE BETTER WITH KOBE but not with
D LEAGUE player EBANKS at sg.

[NumberSix]

I lol'd :oldlol:
Bladers

[kizut1659]

nope, but Lakers would be better off with Kobe taking only 15 FGAs, with 17-18 going to Gasol and 15-16 going to Bynum. . . it would be something similiar to 2008 Boston where the Big 3 are relatively equal.

[Bladers]

Bynum 17-44 as First Option!

[LA_Showtime]

If by better off you mean not better off, then they are not better off.

[Bladers]

smh. what a disgraceful forum that allow trolls to run rampant.

[nba_55]

smh. what a disgraceful forum that allow trolls to run rampant.

So, did the Knicks and the Jazz upset Heat and Spurs? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Artillery]

smh. what a disgraceful forum that allow trolls to run rampant.

lol 40 years old
lol anime fan
lol virgin

[ihoopallday]

smh. what a disgraceful forum that allow trolls to run rampant.

Lmfao you're a prime example of them. :lol

[trooper]

lol 40 years old
lol anime fan
lol virgin


Oooh internet hardnut! :rockon:

Hell yea, you're a badass.

****** :facepalm

[Doranku]

lol 40 years old
lol anime fan
lol virgin

You're a f@ggot.