Lebron is DPOY!!!(espn)

[arifgokcen]

Lebron is averaging 8.5 rebounds almost 2 spg and 1bpg.He is the most versatile defender in the game.He is holding his opponents to one of the lowest productions in the league and dont forget his opponents vary from gasol to rose.He is probably the best help defender in the league.In clutch situations his offense isnt where its supposed to be however his defense is the best(holding his opponents to lowest production averaging 18.8 rebounds per 48 minutes and 1.9 spg and 1.9 bpg).

The best overall defensive player in the game.

Considering how much orlando's defense has fallen this year i think lebron will win DPOY this year.

What are your thoughts

[Disaprine]

:roll:

[SpecialQue]

:lebron:

[StateOfMind12]

Good thing every award other than Finals MVP and Championship are worthless these days. Those are the awards that you actually have to earn to get, not have the media back you up to get them.

LeBron will be DPOY just because of media influence, not because he deserves it.

[PJR]

3rd MVP coming. DPOY coming. 1st Championship coming...

2012 is the year of LeGod...:bowdown: :bowdown:

[jb220]

Rebounds=DPOY

[G-Funk]

lmao!:oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

DPOY!!..and...MVP!!!....


I can't wait for June so he can cap it!!!






by standing in the corner

[SpecialQue]

3rd MVP coming. DPOY coming.

2012 is the year of LeGod...:bowdown: :bowdown:

Fixed. It would be some funny shit if Lebron went down as the most celebrated and decorated athlete to never win a championship.

[ganja0710]

LeAllIndividualAwardsButNotAWinner

[Faptastrophe]

Yeah, he's amazing with his ability to guard the hell out of 1-4 positions. But still.. Deng, Howard and Iggy.. hard to beat these guys.

nah, I'm just kidding. Lebron will win it.

[G-Funk]

the death of the personal awards

[arifgokcen]

Trollers please if you are not gonna offer reasonable debate
GTFO

[SpecialQue]

Trollers please if you are not gonna offer reasonable debate
GTFO

I contributed this: :lebron: :confusedshrug:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

the death of the personal awards

First the All NBA teams went to shit. Now the awards are too.

Save us, Stern!

[LA_Showtime]

I wholeheartedly agree with ESPN. Did you guys see how LeBron shutdown in the Finals? Only God could put up a similar performance.

[arifgokcen]

Yeah, he's amazing with his ability to guard the hell out of 1-4 positions. But still.. Deng, Howard and Iggy.. hard to beat these guys.

Howard won 3 straight DPOY awards and orlando isnt very good defensively this year.

Iggy man to man defense is slightly better than lebron however thats it.Lebron rebounds block and steals more.He is most versatile defender in the game and he is the better help defender among two

As for deng,can you please offer some kind of explanation how he is better.His man to man defense is not better.Against athletic and big SF's he struggles. His other aspects of defense is not even close to lebron's

[Bladers]

Lebron vs Durant defensive stats. Again the top is Lebron and the Bottom is Durant. One thing to watch is the FG% and the Points per play allowed.

Lebron ranks 195 in defense.

195, while Durant ranks 97. How can a guy ranking 195 in defense have so much hype? Its ridiculous!

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1679/defui.png

[Faptastrophe]

Lebron vs Durant defensive stats. Again the top is Lebron and the Bottom is Durant. One thing to watch is the FG% and the Points per play allowed.

Lebron ranks 195 in defense.

195, while Durant ranks 97. How can a guy ranking 195 in defense have so much hype? Its ridiculous!

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1679/defui.png
Here's another picture for you. http://i.imgur.com/PkKOT.png

http://i.imgur.com/palZ4.png

[G-Funk]

Lebron vs Durant defensive stats. Again the top is Lebron and the Bottom is Durant. One thing to watch is the FG% and the Points per play allowed.

Lebron ranks 195 in defense.

195, while Durant ranks 97. How can a guy ranking 195 in defense have so much hype? Its ridiculous!

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1679/defui.png


That's what happens when you have just one dominant sports media outlet. They create their own bullshyt to create their agenda.

[LBJMVP]

lebron gets so much credit for guarding players out of his position for a couple minutes at a time. when he does good people go crazy (rose) when he does bad no one notices (john lucas, jason terry)

[Bladers]

Howard won 3 straight DPOY awards and orlando isnt very good defensively this year.

Iggy man to man defense is slightly better than lebron however thats it.Lebron rebounds block and steals more.He is most versatile defender in the game and he is the better help defender among two

As for deng,can you please offer some kind of explanation how he is better.His man to man defense is not better.Against athletic and big SF's he struggles. His other aspects of defense is not even close to lebron's

Are you seriously? guys like deng and iggy actually check the opp's best player from the PG postion to the SG positon to the SF position and sometimes the PF.

FOR THE ENTIRE GAME!

Not for once or two possesions with 60 secs left in the game.
This is so BULLSHIT!!

Some one tweeted:

CouchsideSeats
ESPN ranks LeBron James the Defensive Player of the Year. Monstrous athlete who now derives sick pleasure from shutting players down. #DPOY

Wow, he doesn't shut ANYONE down from him own position. That's why he's ranked 195.

Nor does he guard the opp's best player for the duration of the game. Defense is supposed to comprise of 48 mins, but ESPN would have you to believe because of their agenda that its comprised of 48 secs.

[donald_trump]

lebron gets so much credit for guarding players out of his position for a couple minutes at a time. when he does good people go crazy (rose) when he does bad no one notices (john lucas, jason terry)

since when is john lucas scoring one crazy fadeaway on lebron bad defense? he played perfect defense on him.

[chips93]

First the All NBA teams went to shit. Now the awards are too.

Save us, Stern!

this

when kobe kept making all defense well past his defensive prime, the credibility of the awards were gone.

[WadeBronDonJuan]

:roll:

So what the hell are you laughing at? Do you realize how ignorant you look by just throwing out a smiley? Grow a brain and contribute to the forum, or GTFO.

[iDefend5]

So what the hell are you laughing at? Do you realize how ignorant you look by just throwing out a smiley? Grow a brain and contribute to the forum, or GTFO.
:roll:

[Whoah10115]

Lebron is a better defender than Deng and Iguodala.

[Pointguard]

To be honest if not Lebron who? DH is going to get some negative feedback for what went down and their defense isn't the same. If the Knicks win every game from here on out then Tyson Chandler could get it - that's a humongous if. If Chicago has the best record, and that's slightly in their favor, they could reward Noah with it. I know I am overlooking somebody but I don't see a lot of people in it. DH is still the front runner but politics might get in the way.

[LamarOdom]

Lebron vs Durant defensive stats. Again the top is Lebron and the Bottom is Durant. One thing to watch is the FG% and the Points per play allowed.

Lebron ranks 195 in defense.

195, while Durant ranks 97. How can a guy ranking 195 in defense have so much hype? Its ridiculous!

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1679/defui.png

OMG ranking defense by stat OMG!!! STOP WATCHIN BBALL.

[PickernRoller]

Only thing I know, it's easy to guard Lebron :lol .................................................. ..............................in the 4th quarter :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bladers]

this

when kobe kept making all defense well past his defensive prime, the credibility of the awards were gone.

Kobe plays way better man to man defense even at 33 (when he wants to) than Lebron has ever played.

Exhibit: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254733

[Kblaze8855]

Im gonna have to ask again....if Lebron is195...lets see the list. Not random selections. Just a copy/paste or screencap. Whatever. Just the page hes on even. 150-200.

I just want to see if it would invalidate the statistic as much as I assume.

[Dave3]

lebron gets so much credit for guarding players out of his position for a couple minutes at a time. when he does good people go crazy (rose) when he does bad no one notices (john lucas, jason terry)
Lucas scored 1 basket on LeBron. 1 basket. After that he didn't touch the ball for the rest of the game. One step back jumper is all he could muster. But somehow he went crazy against LeBron?

[Bladers]

OMG ranking defense by stat OMG!!! STOP WATCHIN BBALL.

OMG ranking offense by stat OMG!!! STOP WATCHIN BBALL.

[chips93]

Lebron vs Durant defensive stats. Again the top is Lebron and the Bottom is Durant. One thing to watch is the FG% and the Points per play allowed.

Lebron ranks 195 in defense.

195, while Durant ranks 97. How can a guy ranking 195 in defense have so much hype? Its ridiculous!

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1679/defui.png

using stats to measure defense :facepalm

using stats that dont take help defense into account :facepalm :facepalm

[Bladers]

Im gonna have to ask again....if Lebron is195...lets see the list. Not random selections. Just a copy/paste or screencap. Whatever. Just the page hes on even. 150-200.

I just want to see if it would invalidate the statistic as much as I assume.

http://mysynergysports.com/

Have fun and come back with a rebuttal when you are done.

Come explain to me how playing defense for two posessions deserves DPOY award, when you can't even guard your own position.

When you have guys like Iggy, Deng (Deng is ranked 35th in Defense while Lebron is ranked 195. Come on son.)

etc... Guarding the opponents best player, day in and day out. Whether they be PGs ,SGs, SFs, or PF.

FOR THE ENTIRE GAME NOT ONE OR TWO POSSESIONS!

[Pointguard]

I don't see much separation between Deng/Iggy/Lebron. Not big enough to say its obvious. A player will get more votes if his defense stands out. Deng and Iggy are consistent high level defenders. Lebron's edge is that a turnover created by Lebron is the most costly play in the game right now (from having a possession to a sure two against you). Lebron blocks are usually turnovers as well.

[LBJMVP]

Lucas scored 1 basket on LeBron. 1 basket. After that he didn't touch the ball for the rest of the game. One step back jumper is all he could muster. But somehow he went crazy against LeBron?


fine... still got jason terry, and whenever cleveland played miami kyrie would blow by james anytime he tried guarding him.

he had a good 5 minutes against rose and one game against gasol and thats it. other than that he is a good defender, but no DPOY.

[Bladers]

I don't see much separation between Deng/Iggy/Lebron. Not big enough to say its obvious. A player will get more votes if his defense stands out. Deng and Iggy are consistent high level defenders. Lebron's edge is that a turnover created by Lebron is the most costly play in the game right now (from having a possession to a sure two against you). Lebron blocks are usually turnovers as well.

Deng is ranked 35th in Defense while Lebron is ranked 195. Come on son.

[alwaysunny]

Mid point of the season I was leaning towards Ibaka. He is currently head and shoulders over everyone in BPG and OKC has the best record in the west. With all the drama with Dwight I thought he'd get some major hype coming in. But I haven't looked into OKC's defense stats which I assume is just average.

Also Iguodala being an all-star with mediocre stat would lead people to assume he's a real contender, especially when he was selected over Josh Smith who also happens to be a terrific defender.

[Bladers]

using stats to measure defense :facepalm

using stats that dont take help defense into account :facepalm :facepalm

Same thing can be said about offense.

Why do we count shot attempts and made?

Please.... Deng is ranked 35th and Lebron is ranked 195th.

I don't care how your feelings are hurt. but that is a HUGEEEEEEEEE disparity!

[PJR]

This thread is littered with Kobrick groupies...:oldlol:


Why y'all care about Lebron so much?

[Pointguard]

Deng is ranked 35th in Defense while Lebron is ranked 195. Come on son.

If there is any stat that suggest there are 185 better defenders than Lebron, much less 195, it isn't worth looking at.

[LBJMVP]

If there is any stat that suggest there are 185 better defenders than Lebron, much less 195, it isn't worth looking at.

someone posted a list of defensive stats.

show the percentages players shot while say lebron, tony allen, deng ect... was guarding them.

it had isolation, off the dribble, jumpshots, layups, and stuff like that i think.

but lebron defintely was 195th on the list.

[arifgokcen]

Bladers gtfo my thread.You are putting up useless stats.Look up some of the other candidates.D.Howard is at 282 according to this site jeremy lin is almost as good as howard.BTW iggy according to synergy is one of the worst defenders in the game.

PLEASE GTFO my thread.BLADERS your only purpose in this life is hating on one guy.

[arifgokcen]

someone posted a list of defensive stats.

show the percentages players shot while say lebron, tony allen, deng ect... was guarding them.

it had isolation, off the dribble, jumpshots, layups, and stuff like that i think.

but lebron defintely was 195th on the list.

According to that site iggy is at 462 howard is at 282 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[chips93]

Same thing can be said about offense.

this is like the equivalent of not counting assists on offense

[stallionaire]

According to that site iggy is at 462 howard is at 282 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

lol

lebron is clearly DPOY this year. he deserves it.

[chips93]

etc... Guarding the opponents best player, day in and day out. Whether they be PGs ,SGs, SFs, or PF.

FOR THE ENTIRE GAME NOT ONE OR TWO POSSESIONS!

kinda funny how you slobber all over kobe's balls because of his supposed clutch play, but when lebron plays clutch defense, he gets no extra credit

funny how that one works out, huh

[Kurosawa0]

This will be his consolation for not getting MVP.

[arifgokcen]

BLADERS is the most stupid person i have even witnessed on ish.

[Kblaze8855]

So am I reading it wrong or does that site say Lebron is 8th in the NBA in isolation defensive situaitons and Dwight is 282 overall on defense?

Someone tell me I misread....

[arifgokcen]

This will be his consolation for not getting MVP.

Mate he will get MVP.Actually he is not a lock DPOY award.However he is a lock for mvp.There is literally no one right now.Durant is playing worse than his own teammate.OKC record is worse than miami.Lebron is scoring more efficiently rebounding and dishing more.His defense is much better

[Bladers]

Bladers gtfo my thread.You are putting up useless stats.Look up some of the other candidates.D.Howard is at 282 according to this site jeremy lin is almost as good as howard.BTW iggy according to synergy is one of the worst defenders in the game.

PLEASE GTFO my thread.BLADERS your only purpose in this life is hating on one guy.

Dwight is ranked 73! :facepalm

And mainly because he covers so many ground and contests every shot. So its alittle higher than it should

[arifgokcen]

So am I reading it wrong or does that site say Lebron is 8th in the NBA in isolation defensive situaitons and Dwight is 282 overall on defense?

Someone tell me I misread....

Yeah mate you read it right and let me post this too.According to synergy lebron offense is ranked #22 in league.27.4ppg on fg%54 3fg%39

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

BLADERS IS STUPID

[Bladers]

So am I reading it wrong or does that site say Lebron is 8th in the NBA in isolation defensive situaitons and Dwight is 282 overall on defense?

Someone tell me I misread....

Dwight is 73. :hammerhead:

[Kurosawa0]

Mate he will get MVP.Actually he is not a lock DPOY award.However he is a lock for mvp.There is literally no one right now.Durant is playing worse than his own teammate.OKC record is worse than miami.Lebron is scoring more efficiently rebounding and dishing more.His defense is much better

I still feel like the voters don't want him to get it. Like Kobe in 06, there's an open desire to give it to someone else. I think Durant still ends up winning it.

[SlayerEnraged]

Idk about DPOY but defeninetely one if not the best perimiter defender in the NBA.

[Bladers]

Yeah mate you read it right and let me post this too.According to synergy lebron offense is ranked #22 in league.27.4ppg on fg%54 3fg%39

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

BLADERS IS STUPID

Because there's more to offense than faskbreak dunks and layups? :banghead:

[arifgokcen]

Dwight is ranked 73! :facepalm

And mainly because he covers so many ground and contests every shot. So its alittle higher than it should

Sorry i looked at the wrong column.But you still have the balls to say howard is 73 facepalm to you mate.You really are the most stupid person here.

[LBJMVP]

According to that site iggy is at 462 howard is at 282 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


sorry... i meant to put lebron defintely wasn't 195. my bad :roll:

i think lebron is a top 15 defender, but nothing jumps out at me to say he is the DPOY

[arifgokcen]

Because there's more to offense than faskbreak dunks and layups? :banghead:

Ok let me put it like this then according to this site kobe is ranked #163 on offense

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/10/24/7b6585c8-a074-4aac-8cf0-b74db3b2a97e.jpg

[Bladers]

Sorry i looked at the wrong column.But you still have the balls to say howard is 73 facepalm to you mate.You really are the most stupid person here.

No you are the retarded one because you don't how to read the stats nor understand them. hence why you thought dwight was 285 and iggy 462.

[Dave3]

Because there's more to offense than faskbreak dunks and layups? :banghead:
Kobe ranks 163 in offense according to your beloved site...

[Bladers]

Ok let me put it like this then according to this site kobe is ranked #163 on offense

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



Because there is no distinction between PF/Centers and guards in the ranking?

Are you really this retardeD?

[Droid101]

Good thing every award other than Finals MVP and Championship are worthless these days. Those are the awards that you actually have to earn to get, not have the media back you up to get them.

Finals MVP is worthless. Anyone can get hot for four or five games. Sample size is too small to matter.

[Chaddai]

Because there's more to offense than faskbreak dunks and layups? :banghead:

You're a freaking hater man. THE GOAL OF BASKETBALL IS TO PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET TO GET POINTS. Difficulty of the shot doesn't matter. All that matters is that it goes in the hole. This ain't freaking ICE SKATING where points are given for difficulty of shot.

[arifgokcen]

sorry... i meant to put lebron defintely wasn't 195. my bad :roll:

i think lebron is a top 15 defender, but nothing jumps out at me to say he is the DPOY

He is second best among starters defending the opposition(per ranked).

He is the best rebounder among wing players.

He is almost averaging 2 spg 1 bpg

He is one of the most versatile defenders of all time.

He is the best help defender among wing players.

His athletic ability combined with his size and lateral speed allows him to literally shut down any player from a pg to a center.

I dont think there is a more deserving candidate than lebron.

BY far the best defender in the game.

[Kblaze8855]

Ok so...looking through the Bulls

Rose is 50th.

Rose plays better defense than Dwight...or...more impactful? what is this even supposed to measure?

When Dwight steps off his man to prevent drives...if now and then his man gets an open pass and dunks it...Dwight gets a knock stats wise for something that is the reason his team can play good defense?

That about right?

[arifgokcen]

You're a freaking hater man. THE GOAL OF BASKETBALL IS TO PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET TO GET POINTS. Difficulty of the shot doesn't matter. All that matters is that it goes in the hole. This ain't freaking ICE SKATING where points are given for difficulty of shot.

+11111111111111

[LBJMVP]

He is second best among starters defending the opposition(per ranked).

He is the best rebounder among wing players.

He is almost averaging 2 spg 1 bpg

He is one of the most versatile defenders of all time.

He is the best help defender among wing players.

His athletic ability combined with his size and lateral speed allows him to literally shut down any player from a pg to a center.

I dont think there is a more deserving candidate than lebron.

BY far the best defender in the game.

he has his game and sometimes he doesnt... i can't honestly say he is the best in the game.

[tmacattack33]

LeAllIndividualAwardsButNotAWinner


Except when he took Daniel Gibson to the Finals in 2007, Wally Sczerbiak to the second round and put up a 7 game series against the eventual Champion 2008 Boston Celtics, and Mo Williams to the ECF in 2009.

[chazzy]

I don't see how he's more impactful to a team's defense than someone like Chandler. Knicks were 22nd in the league defensively last season and are now ranked 7th(!) this season. Their struggles come on offense. I see Lebron being more on that Iggy/Deng tier.

[Bladers]

Ok so...looking through the Bulls

Rose is 50th.

Rose plays better defense than Dwight...or...more impactful? what is this even supposed to measure?

When Dwight steps off his man to prevent drives...if now and then his man gets an open pass and dunks it...Dwight gets a knock stats wise for something that is the reason his team can play good defense?

That about right?

Not entirely true. When dwight switches, his man is now who ever he guards.

MySnergySports splits it up in categories.

Isolation
Pick and Roll Man
Post up
Spot up
Off Screen
Hand off

etc...

So if dwight switches up to someone posting up, running an iso,etc and they end up passing it, he doesn't get hurt.

But he gets hurt in that he often switches to guards who end up hitting a shot over him. That's why he's at 73. He covers so much ground and switches onto anyone entering the paint.

[Lebron23]

These trolls ruined a potential good thread. Go outside, and play some real basketball. LeBron is one of the best defenders in the league this season. Nice Posts by the OP.

[hitmanyr2k]

To be honest if not Lebron who? DH is going to get some negative feedback for what went down and their defense isn't the same. If the Knicks win every game from here on out then Tyson Chandler could get it - that's a humongous if. If Chicago has the best record, and that's slightly in their favor, they could reward Noah with it. I know I am overlooking somebody but I don't see a lot of people in it. DH is still the front runner but politics might get in the way.

I think questions like this point to how weak the league is defensively these days...especially when it comes to star power. I saw the same question asked when Kobe was making all of those undeserved All-D first teams. Is DPOY really only a two horse race these days? That's pathetic.

[Lebron23]

NBA needs to bring back hand checking. I am sick and tired of seeing players easily getting into the paint and expecting foul from the referees. LeBron will be a much better defensive player if the NBA bring back the hand checking rule.

[rodman91]

Lebron is so good on defense he even shuts down himself in 4th quarters.

[magnax1]

If Lebron wins DPOTY I'll throw up. He's a great defender, but not really even close to Howard, or even someone like Thabo Sefolosha who gets no attention at all anymore.

[Lebron23]

If Lebron wins DPOTY I'll throw up. He's a great defender, but not really even close to Howard, or even someone like Thabo Sefolosha who gets no attention at all anymore.


Dwight Howard is a great defender, but the media probably don't want to give him a 4th DPOY Award.

[magnax1]

Dwight Howard is a great defender, but the media probably don't want to give him a 4th DPOY Award.
True. He completely deserves it though.

[Lebron23]

If Lebron wins DPOTY I'll throw up. He's a great defender, but not really even close to Howard, or even someone like Thabo Sefolosha who gets no attention at all anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3O94yv4vc

LBJ defense on Pau Gasol. Gasol is almost 5 inches taller than LeBron.

LeBron also played some quality defense against 6'9.5" Dwight Howard.

[magnax1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3O94yv4vc

LBJ defense on Pau Gasol. Gasol is almost 5 inches taller than LeBron.

LeBron also played some quality defense against 6'9.5" Dwight Howard.
The problem is with his consistency. If he played defense like he did against Rose in the 4th qtr on the ECF every game, he'd be one of the 5 best defenders ever. He plays like that one out of every 5 plays though.

[Lebron23]

The problem is with his consistency. If he played defense like he did against Rose in the 4th qtr on the ECF every game, he'd be one of the 5 best defenders ever. He plays like that one out of every 5 plays though.


It's very hard to play some super lockdown defense under today's NBA rules. The referees also called some fouls on LeBron whenever he made some slight contact with the opposing team's offensive players.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/04/22/aldridge.defenses/


Rules changes have affected defensive philosophies


F*ck the no hand checking rules. This ain't real basketball.

[Lebron23]

Except when he took Daniel Gibson to the Finals in 2007, Wally Sczerbiak to the second round and put up a 7 game series against the eventual Champion 2008 Boston Celtics, and Mo Williams to the ECF in 2009.


Just put that fat clown back on your ignore lists. The guy is fat and out of shape. You and the op are 2 of the most underrated LBJ Fans in this forum

http://images.clipartof.com/small/1083399-Clipart-Thumbs-Up-Keep-Up-The-Good-Work-Icon-Royalty-Free-Vector-Illustration.jpg

[chips93]

The problem is with his consistency. If he played defense like he did against Rose in the 4th qtr on the ECF every game, he'd be one of the 5 best defenders ever. He plays like that one out of every 5 plays though.

i dont watch a ton of heat games, but id disagree.

im actually surprised that he plays with a pretty consistent effort and focus on defense

[Qwyjibo]

To win awards in today's NBA, you need to have a good story to go along with your productivity. You may not deserve the award (Derrick Rose, Steve Nash x2) but as long as the story behind your achievements builds up, you have a good chance. Also, at some point, it seems like the voters will look for any reason to not vote for the same guy over and over again (Michael Jordan not winning more MVPs).

Lebron has a very good shot to win the DPOY because of these two things. The voters won't want to vote for Howard every single year and with Lebron's vocal commitments to defense and winning this award, there's your shot. I'm not saying Lebron doesn't deserve to be in consideration because he does. He's a very good defensive player. In today's NBA though, I can't see how you give this award to anyone but a dominant interior defender.

[D-Wade316]

Bladers is actually making a good point. But synergy only takes into account man-to-man defense.

[lilgodfather1]

IMO Dwight does deserve it. LeBron will get it though. His hype train is unstoppable.

Man what a resume he could have by the time he retires.

3 x MVP
DPOY
youngest to every point
ROY
And then there is the possibility that the man can win championships.

[PJR]

IMO Dwight does deserve it. LeBron will get it though. His hype train is unstoppable.

Man what a resume he could have by the time he retires.

3 x MVP
DPOY
youngest to every point
ROY
And then there is the possibility that the man can win championships.

LeGreatness :bowdown:

[Dwyane Rose]

Lebron vs Durant defensive stats. Again the top is Lebron and the Bottom is Durant. One thing to watch is the FG% and the Points per play allowed.

Lebron ranks 195 in defense.

195, while Durant ranks 97. How can a guy ranking 195 in defense have so much hype? Its ridiculous!



I'm fairly certain I recall you saying that advanced stats were stupid. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[get these NETS]

nba tv is now a regular cable channel

there is a competing sports radio station on the dial in most major cities

WHY do people still rock with espn? you have alternatives, now

espn is a joke

[Dave3]

I'm fairly certain I recall you saying that advanced stats were stupid. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Don't worry. He stopped posting when he saw Kobe was ranked 160something on offense.

Durant is somehow 31, and LeBron is 21.

So scorers 1 2 and 3, are 21 31 and 165...

Smart website!! :applause:

[RaininTwos]

I don't see how he's more impactful to a team's defense than someone like Chandler. Knicks were 22nd in the league defensively last season and are now ranked 7th(!) this season. Their struggles come on offense. I see Lebron being more on that Iggy/Deng tier.
Cmon chazzy.

[Jameerthefear]

there is no way LBJ should win DPOY. Its Chandler or Dwight, plain and simple.

[Whoah10115]

Kobe plays way better man to man defense even at 33 (when he wants to) than Lebron has ever played.

Exhibit: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254733



I think the operative words are the ones in your parenthesis. That's kind of the reason why he shouldn't be making it regularly.



This is not a max defensive ability rating.

[Whoah10115]

If Lebron wins DPOTY I'll throw up. He's a great defender, but not really even close to Howard, or even someone like Thabo Sefolosha who gets no attention at all anymore.



I think Thabo's defense is a bit overrated. At least on the Thunder. He offers nothing. And I mean that.

[pauk]

Lebron just might get both MVP & DPOY..... not to mention FMVP and RING to...

[DKLaker]

Lebron is averaging 8.5 rebounds almost 2 spg and 1bpg.He is the most versatile defender in the game.He is holding his opponents to one of the lowest productions in the league and dont forget his opponents vary from gasol to rose.He is probably the best help defender in the league.In clutch situations his offense isnt where its supposed to be however his defense is the best(holding his opponents to lowest production averaging 18.8 rebounds per 48 minutes and 1.9 spg and 1.9 bpg).

The best overall defensive player in the game.

Considering how much orlando's defense has fallen this year i think lebron will win DPOY this year.

What are your thoughts

:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping whu....huh oh...:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

[chazzy]

Cmon chazzy.
lol which part don't you like? Iggy and Deng are great perimeter defenders but I've always held the belief that elite defensive big men impact games more than elite wing defenders.

[magnax1]

I think Thabo's defense is a bit overrated. At least on the Thunder. He offers nothing. And I mean that.
I don't see how you can watch him and say that. Every great perimeter scorer struggles against him, and that's not even a very good defense he's playing with. He never lets guys get to their spots, and he makes the shots that they do take harder then anyone else does. He's clearly the best 1 on 1 perimeter defender in the league.

[Whoah10115]

I don't see how you can watch him and say that. Every great perimeter scorer struggles against him, and that's not even a very good defense he's playing with. He never lets guys get to their spots, and he makes the shots that they do take harder then anyone else does. He's clearly the best 1 on 1 perimeter defender in the league.



Maybe it's playing on the Thunder that I just don't appreciate it. He's not really useful for them anyway. He was much more appreciated a couple seasons ago.



But he's not better than Tony Allen.

[magnax1]

Maybe it's playing on the Thunder that I just don't appreciate it. He's not really useful for them anyway. He was much more appreciated a couple seasons ago.



But he's not better than Tony Allen.
He's definitely much better then Tony Allen. You can even look at the stats on NBA.com to see how guys like Wade and Kobe do when he's on and off the floor vs. Allen.

[All Net]

If anybody other than Dwight wins it then Lebron likely is the next best contender.

[PJR]

Lebron just might get both MVP & DPOY..... not to mention FMVP and RING to...

Sheesh. Truly an all time great. It's going to be a joy to watch him and Wade
Over these next few years. :bowdown:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron just might get both MVP & DPOY..... not to mention FMVP and RING to...

yeah, seriously, you don't have to mention those, as in its not going to happen.

[MavAlbert]

WOW

NO love for the Matrix here

[Whoah10115]

He's definitely much better then Tony Allen. You can even look at the stats on NBA.com to see how guys like Wade and Kobe do when he's on and off the floor vs. Allen.




I'm sorry but I'll fight you to the death on that. Tony Allen is incredible.





And to the Mavs fan, I'd have Marion on the 2nd Team.

[Lebron23]

These Kobetards needs to watch more games. Stop hiding under Kobe's nuts. You guys ain't Vanessa Bryant.

[Lebron23]

Bladers is 40 yrs.old. Hahahahahahahaha

[Artillery]

Bladers is 40 yrs.old. Hahahahahahahaha

lol 40 yr old with an anime avatar

But seriously, Lebron deserves DPOY more than Kobe's deserved his last five or six defensive first team selections.

[chains5000]

Lebron is averaging 8.5 rebounds almost 2 spg and 1bpg.He is the most versatile defender in the game.He is holding his opponents to one of the lowest productions in the league and dont forget his opponents vary from gasol to rose.He is probably the best help defender in the league.In clutch situations his offense isnt where its supposed to be however his defense is the best(holding his opponents to lowest production averaging 18.8 rebounds per 48 minutes and 1.9 spg and 1.9 bpg).

The best overall defensive player in the game.

Considering how much orlando's defense has fallen this year i think lebron will win DPOY this year.

What are your thoughts
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[D-Wade316]

But seriously, Lebron deserves DPOY more than Kobe's deserved his defensive first team selections since 03-04.
Fixed

[CardiacKemba]

WOW

NO love for the Matrix here

Kobe was like 0 of 10 when Matrix was guarding him today I read somewhere. How Marion isn't in the conversation (at least) for DPOY is beyond me.

[Nash-tastic]

Kobe was like 0 of 10 when Matrix was guarding him today I read somewhere. How Marion isn't in the conversation (at least) for DPOY is beyond me.
Erm... Marion didn't play today

[CardiacKemba]

Erm... Marion didn't play today

I didn't watch the game, so maybe it was last game? :coleman:

Haha either way, my bad. But my point still stands, he is a top 5 defender.

[LakersReign]

Lebron just might get both MVP & DPOY..... not to mention FMVP and RING to...

Y'all really never get tired of saying exactly the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over. Trying to wish it to become true....huh?:sleeping

[CardiacKemba]

Y'all really never get tired of saying exactly the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over. Trying to wish it to become true....huh?:sleeping

It is annoying. Have you noticed you are the exact same though with your boy?

[sipitri]

If kobe was all defense first team last year then lbj can win dpoy this year. At least james is "arguable" as dpoy..

[Disaprine]

So what the hell are you laughing at? Do you realize how ignorant you look by just throwing out a smiley? Grow a brain and contribute to the forum, or GTFO.
:roll:

[nathanjizzle]

sure, its easy to lockdown someone that is 5 inches shorter than you, 55 pounds lighter than you, and also has a twisted ankle.

same with gasol, gasol is a post player, and lebron outweighs him, how is that some kind of unfathomable defensive skill?

[arifgokcen]

If kobe was all defense first team last year then lbj can win dpoy this year. At least james is "arguable" as dpoy..

This is a horrible comparison.Kobe didnt do anything last year to get a all defense selection. Lebron is averaging almost 2spg 1bpg and 8.5rpg.He is the best transition defender and best help defender among wing players.He is #3 among opponents production.He only gave up 9 isolation plays this year.He is by far the most versatile defender in the league.He defends the best player during crunch time and shuts them down.He is probably the best crunch time defender in the game as well.He is averaging 19rpg in crunch time and 1.9spg and 1.9 bpg in clutch.

I think he is the most deserving wing player in the league.Nobody among win players plays as well as him on the defensive side of the ball.

When you talk about defense you just cant talk about one on one defense.

[arifgokcen]

sure, its easy to lockdown someone that is 5 inches shorter than you, 55 pounds lighter than you, and also has a twisted ankle.

same with gasol, gasol is a post player, and lebron outweighs him, how is that some kind of unfathomable defensive skill?

Mate when was the last time player like malone lock down quickest pg in the league.Please just one example.Wow hatred do you even hear yourself you are saying he lock down quickest pg in the league btw rose didnt have a twisted ankle in ECF,then lock down the most skilled(not me lakers fans and most fans agree gasol is the most skilled 7 footer in the game now) big man in the league.Please tell me another player that does that.Heck only other player in modern era that even comes close to what lebron was doing right now is rodman.Lebron is much stronger and quicker than him.He will go down probably one of the best defenders off all time and most versatile defender in history.

Anyway when the hatred is over and you will understand what i am talking about.

[sipitri]

This is a horrible comparison.Kobe didnt do anything last year to get a all defense selection. Lebron is averaging almost 2spg 1bpg and 8.5rpg.He is the best transition defender and best help defender among wing players.He is #3 among opponents production.He only gave up 9 isolation plays this year.He is by far the most versatile defender in the league.He defends the best player during crunch time and shuts them down.He is probably the best crunch time defender in the game as well.He is averaging 19rpg in crunch time and 1.9spg and 1.9 bpg in clutch.

I think he is the most deserving wing player in the league.Nobody among win players plays as well as him on the defensive side of the ball.

When you talk about defense you just cant talk about one on one defense.
I will rewrite my post for those like you who could not understand what I was saying: those awards are bullshit and are given to player supported by the press, not to players who really deserve it so if you're choosing by popularity at least give it to james who at least deserve it in some way.

[Jotaro Durant]

here we go juss like mjs undeserve dpoy:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nash-tastic]

here we go juss like mjs undeserve dpoy:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:no:

[Jotaro Durant]

:no:
u never watched that season if u believe mj deserve that dpoy. also lot of his first defense selections undeserve just like bryant media can be impactful thing sad:biggums:

[28renyoy]

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5514/durant.jpg

[NumberSix]

So apparently the only reason why LeBron can defend guards is because it's easier to guard someone who's smaller than you.

Also, apparently the only reason he can guard bigs is because it's easier to guard guys bigger than you because they aren't as quick.

In short, it's very easy to guard anyone as long as they're either smaller than you or bigger than you. :hammerhead:

[gengiskhan]

here we go juss like mjs undeserve dpoy:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:no:

1993: MJ robbed of DPOY. Steals leader. Voted by NBA coaches as most feared defender over Hakeem.

1987: MJ robbed of DPOY. first to 200+ stls / 100+ block shots

1989: MJ robbed of DPOY. Steals leader

Out of 4 DPOY. MJ got only 1 thanks to Rodman & Hakeem who were ultimate defenders themselves. much respect.

[dunksby]

:no:

1993: MJ robbed of DPOY. Steals leader. Voted by NBA coaches as most feared defender over Hakeem.

1987: MJ robbed of DPOY. first to 200+ stls / 100+ block shots

1989: MJ robbed of DPOY. Steals leader

Out of 4 DPOY. MJ got only 1 thanks to Rodman & Hakeem who were ultimate defenders themselves. much respect.
MJ did not deserve it as he was clearly not the best defender in the league.

[SwooshReturns]

MJ did not deserve it as he was clearly not the best defender in the league.
Well, if not DPOY he was clearly the MVP in

1997
1993
1990
1989

[Heavincent]

Lebron's defense is comically overrated at times.

[rodman91]

Jordan : 3.2 spg 1.6 bpg .. He was like dobermann in those years :lol

[gengiskhan]

Jordan : 3.2 spg 1.6 bpg .. He was like dobermann in those years :lol

overrated trash defensively Kobe is no where close to those stats. He is considered an elite defensive player. :lol

Just shows '80s & '90s NBA clearly being more talented than '00 NBA.

Hakeem, D'Rob, starks, Peyton, Rodman, Jordan, Pippen, motombo, mourning, Drexler, Dumars, Derek Harper, Blackman, kendel gill, gerald wilkins etc etc etc

its like every team had one very good defender in the starting line up.

[BlueandGold]

They don't really give DPOY to the most deserving player, if so then Bowen and Battier should at least have a couple between them. The DPOY is essentially given to the star player that seems to be playing the best defense for that given year along with defensive numbers (rebounds, blocks, steals) to back it up.