Derrick Rose vs Russel Westbrook

[Human Error]

Rose: 22.8ppg, 3.5rpg, 8.0apg, 0.9spg, 45% from field, 31% from deep, 2.9 to
Westbrook: 23.8ppg, 4.6rpg, 5.4apg, 1.6spg, 47% from field, 33% from deep, 3.8 to

Majority of posters here seem to think that Rose is so superior to Westbrook and it isn't even debatable that Rose is definitely better, but Westbrook is turning himself into an elite player as well and what most of you don't recognize is Westbrook is one of the best defenders in his position while Rose is about just average on defense. So, I think it isn't criminal to say that Westbrook may be as good as Rose. What do you all think?

[Jotaro Durant]

rose but it A LOT closer than some bull fans want u to think.

[Alamo]

Close. Both top 3-4 point guards. But Rose still has it.

[StateOfMind12]

Rose: 22.8ppg, 3.5rpg, 8.0apg, 0.9spg, 45% from field, 31% from deep, 2.9 to
Westbrook: 23.8ppg, 4.6rpg, 5.4apg, 1.6spg, 47% from field, 33% from deep, 3.8 to

Majority of posters here seem to think that Rose is so superior to Westbrook and it isn't even debatable that Rose is definitely better, but Westbrook is turning himself into an elite player as well and what most of you don't recognize is Westbrook is one of the best defenders in his position while Rose is about just average on defense. So, I think it isn't criminal to say that Westbrook may be as good as Rose. What do you all think?
:facepalm I watch a good amount of both and Westbrook is not a good defender nor is he a better defender than Rose.

The thread has been made a million times and the answer for me and like 95% of this site is Rose.

[OKCThunderUP]

:facepalm I watch a good amount of both and Westbrook is not a good defender nor is he a better defender than Rose.
.

Westbrook can be the best defensive PG in the game when he actually tries to be (see: his defense on CP3 a few nights ago). He just doesn't put that kind of effort into it because it effects his offensive numbers...which is frustrating.

[Jotaro Durant]

:facepalm I watch a good amount of both and Westbrook is not a good defender nor is he a better defender than Rose.

The thread has been made a million times and the answer for me and like 95% of this site is Rose.
not a better defender than ROSE:roll: :roll: are you f,ucking kidding me:roll: :roll: :roll:

[StateOfMind12]

not a better defender than ROSE:roll: :roll: are you f,ucking kidding me:roll: :roll: :roll:
It doesn't surprise me that nobody except Bulls fans understand that Derrick Rose is a great man to man defender.

I'll give you one sample size. When the Bulls matched up the Spurs a fews ago, Derrick Rose dominated and shut down Tony Parker. Parker had more FGA than points in that game. When the Thunder played the Spurs last week or two weeks ago, Westbrook was getting torched so bad that they eventually switched Royal Ivey on him.


Westbrook can be the best defensive PG in the game when he actually tries to be (see: his defense on CP3 a few nights ago). He just doesn't put that kind of effort into it because it effects his offensive numbers...which is frustrating.
This is probably true. Rose is more consistent on defense but Westbrook probably has more potential and has shown it. I didn't pay much attention on his defense on CP3, probably because the Thunder were killing them so bad I barely paid attention on defense. I thought CP3 did have some open looks where he missed though but I'm not sure about the rest.

[50inchvertical]

Westbrook plays better defense against other top tier pgs, and surrenders bigger games against alsorans of the position as strange as it may be. He can hold CP to 13, Deron Williams to 9, then get 30 dropped on him by like a Calderon.

I'm also starting to question Rose's physical toughness and durability.

Westbrook contrastingly, has not missed a game ever. In fact, the 1 he was supposed to, was listed as doubtful after a nasty ankle sprain, dropped 41 (the Denver game), and since has just been wearing a brace on it.

I kind of wish they would be more cautious with him in that regard really.

[Clocian-IGN]

westbrook still has kevin durant. westbrook benefits from the iso offense okc plays.

rose is a better leader, doesn't have another superstar and a harden to open up the floor, and has better decision making.

conclusion - rose all day

[liquidrage]

westbrook still has kevin durant. westbrook benefits from the iso offense okc plays.

rose is a better leader, doesn't have another superstar and a harden to open up the floor, and has better decision making.

conclusion - rose all day

Conclusion. Rose gets to be the primary option, has better offensive low post players, and rides the coattails of his teams defensive play.

[50inchvertical]

westbrook still has kevin durant. westbrook benefits from the iso offense okc plays.

rose is a better leader, doesn't have another superstar and a harden to open up the floor, and has better decision making.

conclusion - rose all day
Both are all stars and have an all star SF

OKC fans could point out you guys have Boozer as well (former all star) and a competent coach.

We literally have 1 offensive play. KD off the pindown screens and curls come to the ball. The amount of times Westbrook ends up waiting for the play to materialize and it never does (once the other team figures it out or a physical defender doesn't let KD get position) and then he has to go 1 on 1 from the top of the key with 4 seconds left aren't at all good for his fg%,

Last check Westbrook was leading guards in points in the paint too but that was about a month ago

And small sample size, but in the few games KD missed Russ's averages actually went UP and not down, to include going INTO Boston (he always shits on Rondo btw) and getting a W with no KD or JG.

[ballinhun8]

This same thread seems to be made every few months or so.

[Clocian-IGN]

Conclusion. Rose gets to be the primary option, has better offensive low post players, and rides the coattails of his teams defensive play.

1. yes and? your point lol?
2. here's the classic "I'm gonna switch this on you to better my argument". boozer sucks as claimed by everyone, taj, asik, and noah are not offensive players.
3. I guess it's bad for us to be a defensive 1st team since okc sucks at it...oops :pimp:.

[MASH Transit]

Rose is a superior PnR player, but other than that, he has no advantages over Westbrook. Yes, he's averaging more assist now, but when Westbrook had bigs at the 4 and 5 that had competent hands and could consistently score he averaged more assist per game and logged a higher assist% than Rose has at any point in his career. Twice.

Westbrook is actively proving that he's Rose's superior, or at the very least his peer.

After tonight's numbers are added to his season totals, he'll almost have better numbers than Rose across the board. And this is while playing more games, against a tougher schedule, in a stronger conference. Give credit where it's due.

PG list:

1. Chris Paul
t2/3. Russell Westbrook
t2/3. Derrick Rose
4. Derron Williams
5. Kyrie Irving/Rondo/Nash

[Bigsmoke]

Derrick Rose would be averaging like 28 if he was playing in the West against these shitty defensive teams. :lol

[imdaman99]

Rose is a superior PnR player, but other than that, he has no advantages over Westbrook. Yes, he's averaging more assist now, but when Westbrook had bigs at the 4 and 5 that had competent hands and could consistently score he averaged more assist per game and logged a higher assist% than Rose has at any point in his career. Twice.

Westbrook is actively proving that he's Rose's superior, or at the very least his peer.

After tonight's numbers are added to his season totals, he'll almost have better numbers than Rose across the board. And this is while playing more games, against a tougher schedule, in a stronger conference. Give credit where it's due.

PG list:

1. Chris Paul
t2/3. Russell Westbrook
t2/3. Derrick Rose
4. Derron Williams
5. Kyrie Irving/Rondo/Nash
Truth :cheers:

[hkfosho]

Drose and its not close.

[ballinhun8]

Truth :cheers:



This guy is still so mad about the 90s lol.



Is this Charles Smith?

[imdaman99]

This guy is still so mad about the 90s lol.



Is this Charles Smith?
:lol at u taking it so personal.

[ballinhun8]

:lol at u taking it so personal.


Nah not really. It's just funny cuz ur a guarantee to be in any thread trying to demean the Bulls in anyway.



Kinda like the Thatsgame of the Knicks fans.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Give me the guy that doesn't call in sick to work

[Tenchi Ryu]

Oh look, its this thread again
:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Rhinox]

Russell Westbrook fans are so defensive they go as far as to borderline trash KD to prove to people he isn't as bad as he's made out to be :roll:

[LoneyROY7]

Rose is the best PG in the league IMO...unfortunately he hasn't been on the court this season as much as we'd all like.

[Jailblazers7]

I would take Rose without hesitation.

[CardiacKemba]

Rose just. You could make your argument for Westbrook though too. Anyone saying otherwise is obviously an insecure Rose/Bulls fan. Have an open mind please.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Why is Westbrook constantly being compared to just Rose? Its common knowledge that Rose is widely regarded as and has a legit case as BEST PG in the league. This means that Rose vs CP3 debates are very common.

So with this in mind, are you Westbrook supporters admitting that Westbrook also has a legit case against CP3 as well? Because if Westbrook is at elite level (which I personally feel he is), then why just compare him to Rose? Might as well bring CP3 in this as well...

[Tenchi Ryu]

Westbrook can be the best defensive PG in the game when he actually tries to be (see: his defense on CP3 a few nights ago). He just doesn't put that kind of effort into it because it effects his offensive numbers...which is frustrating.
Westbrook's defense is good, but Rose's is VASTLY underrated here. When you are such an gifted athlete, its almost hard to be a average defender, especially man to man defense.

Rose has defensively troubled CP3, D-Will, Rondo, and even Westbrook in his career.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Rose is a superior PnR player, but other than that, he has no advantages over Westbrook.
Rose's advantage is his evasion ability. Westbrook's athleticism is very RAW and on pure explosiveness. This means that he will usually try to dunk on you, or take the collision head on hoping to get to the FT line.

Rose on the other hand uses his evasive abilities to try and get the And 1 or just makes the layup anyway, which he is more successful in than Westbrook. Rose has a better chance to make a contested lay-up due to this evasion and his elite skill of body contortion, which he is BEST in the league in BTW.

And using Westbrook's FG% is very flawed because they score differently. Westbrook either scores in transition, shoots open mid-range jumpers, or gets to the foul line. Rose doesn't shoot in transition OR shoot mid-range jumpers, because he just doesn't get as much freedom on the court due to heavy defenses. So Rose mostly relies on his contested lay-ups, and his floater. Then gives you an occasional 3 pointer.

Common sense tells you its gonna be a LOT harder when you don't get open looks like Westbrook, Durant and Harden can.

[LoneyROY7]

Rose's advantage is his evasion ability. Westbrook's athleticism is very RAW and on pure explosiveness. This means that he will usually try to dunk on you, or take the collision head on hoping to get to the FT line.

Rose on the other hand uses his evasive abilities to try and get the And 1 or just makes the layup anyway, which he is more successful in than Westbrook. Rose has a better chance to make a contested lay-up due to this evasion.

And using Westbrook's FG% is very flawed because they score differently. Westbrook either scores in transition, shoots mid-range jumpers, or gets to the foul line. Rose doesn't shoot in transition OR shoot mid-range jumpers, because he just doesn't get as much freedom on the court due to heavy defenses. So Rose mostly relies on his contested lay-ups, and his floater. Then gives you an occasional 3 pointer.

Common sense tells you its gonna be a LOT harder when you don't get open looks like Westbrook, Durant and Harden can.

Good point about Rose's evasive abilities. His footwork and body-control are far superior to that of Westbrook's IMO.

Russell's drives tend to be fairly out-of-control, whereas Rose's are smooth and much more aesthetically pleasing...and that lends to footwork and body control.

[Tenchi Ryu]

And to clarify, yes, I do think Rose is better. But no, its not on a different league or anything. I currently have Westbrook at 3...

Rose
CP3
Westbrook
Deron
Parker
Rondo

[Chicago Brawls]

What people don't understand is that Rose is both Westbrook and Durant on the Bulls.

[SyRyanYang]

What people don't understand is that Rose is both Westbrook and Durant on the Bulls.
:no:

[CardiacKemba]

What people don't understand is that Rose is both Westbrook and Durant on the Bulls.

That's just downright stupid.

[donald_trump]

this is how much better rose is than westbrook.

switch rose and westbrook last season, and westbrook becomes the mvp instead of rose.

rose is in a better position to be glorified as the star.

[SyRyanYang]

It has been an interesting comparison since last season and the reason it's still been going on is that no one has a clear cut. Thus anyone saying either is clearly better are biased and ignorant.
With that being said, I'd say Rose has a slight edge for leading his team to the best record of the league for the 2nd consecutive year (did spurs have better record last year? cant recall really).
Stat-wise Westbrook is better this year. His assist number are down but it's not a problem 'cause his team needs him to score much more than dishing. And he dominates the ball much less than Rose. On the other hand Rose is a much better leader. Then again it's not Westbrook's fault that he plays alongside KD.
If anyone watched 2010 FIFA World Championship where the two played on the same team, Russel were a lot better in that tournament.
Anyway it's enjoyable to watch to young talent PG so much alike keep improving and competing with each other.

[iamgine]

http://youtu.be/G0_CeUzud_g

[Tenchi Ryu]

It has been an interesting comparison since last season and the reason it's still been going on is that no one has a clear cut. Thus anyone saying either is clearly better are biased
There might not be a tell all answer to who is the better player, but it's pretty much Rose who gets the majority vote by a considerable margin. From espn, to TNT, to polls, rose usually always comes on top as the better player and PG. Rose is more so compared to CP3 nowadays.

[Tenchi Ryu]

this is how much better rose is than westbrook.

switch rose and westbrook last season, and westbrook becomes the mvp instead of rose.

rose is in a better position to be glorified as the star.
No

[50inchvertical]

Westbrook's defense is good, but Rose's is VASTLY underrated here. When you are such an gifted athlete, its almost hard to be a average defender, especially man to man defense.

Rose has defensively troubled CP3, D-Will, Rondo, and even Westbrook in his career.
Please post the box score to games Rose defensively troubled Westbrook. Their head to heads are pretty even, with Russ getting a small egde statistically and both winning on their homecourt. 1 game was the season opener, I was even there.

Then the 2nd game of the season, in Chicago, they both put up mediocre stats. Boozer is the one who won that game for yall.

And :oldlol: at the contention now that all of Westbrook's shots are open or in transition. 5th leading scorer in the league and dudes are acting like he's just some sort of spot up shooter or something. People contend that his drives are out of control, yet he leads guards in points in the paint. What the hell?

As for Westbrook vs CP3, why not? He also historically toasts CP3, so much so Chris Paul even said this in a postgame interview last season, [Ill find the exact quote 2morrow, dont want to paraphrase it without a link, kats be nonbelievin]

[nathanjizzle]

Rose: 22.8ppg, 3.5rpg, 8.0apg, 0.9spg, 45% from field, 31% from deep, 2.9 to
Westbrook: 23.8ppg, 4.6rpg, 5.4apg, 1.6spg, 47% from field, 33% from deep, 3.8 to

Majority of posters here seem to think that Rose is so superior to Westbrook and it isn't even debatable that Rose is definitely better, but Westbrook is turning himself into an elite player as well and what most of you don't recognize is Westbrook is one of the best defenders in his position while Rose is about just average on defense. So, I think it isn't criminal to say that Westbrook may be as good as Rose. What do you all think?


last year rose averaged 28.5 and 7 assists against the top 5 teams in the nba, leadings bulls to a 8-4 record. That included spurs dallas lakers boston miami and bulls. I did the same with westbrook, i dont remember exactly but i remember points being under 20 and overall stats incomparable to roses.

and to say rose is average defender at his position is laughable. hes one ofthe best defender at his position, look at the job hes done on deron cp3 tony parker not only this year but his whole carreer.

[b1imtf]

Why is Westbrook constantly being compared to just Rose? Its common knowledge that Rose is widely regarded as and has a legit case as BEST PG in the league. This means that Rose vs CP3 debates are very common.

So with this in mind, are you Westbrook supporters admitting that Westbrook also has a legit case against CP3 as well? Because if Westbrook is at elite level (which I personally feel he is), then why just compare him to Rose? Might as well bring CP3 in this as well...
I think it's because they are basically (body/athleticism wise)

[50inchvertical]

last year rose averaged 28.5 and 7 assists against the top 5 teams in the nba, leadings bulls to a 8-4 record. That included spurs dallas lakers boston miami and bulls. I did the same with westbrook, i dont remember exactly but i remember points being under 20 and overall stats incomparable to roses.

and to say rose is average defender at his position is laughable. hes one ofthe best defender at his position, look at the job hes done on deron cp3 tony parker not only this year but his whole carreer.
under 20? Bullshit

[nathanjizzle]

under 20? Bullshit

it could have even been 16, i know it was under 20.

[50inchvertical]

it could have even been 16, i know it was under 20.
And I know you are lying.

[MASH Transit]

Derrick Rose: 23/3/8/45fg%/54ts%

Russell Westbrook: 24/5/6/48fg%/55ts%

[Glide2keva]

Derrick Rose: 23/3/8/45fg%/54ts%

Russell Westbrook: 24/5/6/48fg%/55ts%
Yep TS% rears it's ugly head.

[donald_trump]

No

yes.

the bulls were doing the same thing last year. they made runs when their defensive 2nd unit was on.

put westbrook on that team and its just him instead of rose in place. i honestly think eric gordon could have got the damn job done.

[MASH Transit]

Yep TS% rears it's ugly head.

Too stupid to comprehend its relevance? :confusedshrug:

[LoneyROY7]

yes.

the bulls were doing the same thing last year. they made runs when their defensive 2nd unit was on.

put westbrook on that team and its just him instead of rose in place. i honestly think eric gordon could have got the damn job done.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

+1000.

Future repped.

[ThunderKat]

I have a lot of respect for D. Rose. I think Westbrook is starting to become that elite player and is only going to get better. I think they are both neck and neck.

What I really like about both guys is they aren't afraid to take the big shot.

[chips93]

Yep TS% rears it's ugly head.

what is your argument against TS%?

[Human Error]

last year rose averaged 28.5 and 7 assists against the top 5 teams in the nba, leadings bulls to a 8-4 record. That included spurs dallas lakers boston miami and bulls. I did the same with westbrook, i dont remember exactly but i remember points being under 20 and overall stats incomparable to roses.

and to say rose is average defender at his position is laughable. hes one ofthe best defender at his position, look at the job hes done on deron cp3 tony parker not only this year but his whole carreer.
Completely untrue and entirely made up. Some Bulls fans are overly defensive.

[Tenchi Ryu]

yes.

the bulls were doing the same thing last year. they made runs when their defensive 2nd unit was on.


No they weren't, mostly all of their scoring was due to second chance points from good rebounding. And the occasional transition bucket from good defense. The Bulls this year can actually score the basket on the first possession. This is not the same team from last year.

And save the anyone can do what Rose did stuff. Hell, I can play that game. Switch Lebron with Rose last year, and I guarantee a Wade, Rose, and Bosh 3 get that ring last year. Better yet, show me someone who can contort their body as well or better than Rose..

[Tenchi Ryu]

Too stupid to comprehend its relevance? :confusedshrug:
No, he probably likes to LOOK at basketball...

[dunksby]

Westbrook is a better fit for the Thunder, so for me Westbrook>Rose.

[Kiarip]

Rose's biggest advantage over Westbrook is that he doesn't let his emotions take over his play.

[Mavsfan31]

http://www.derrickrosemvp.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/DerrickRoseMVP.jpg

[Go Getter]

Westbrook is a better fit for the Thunder, so for me Westbrook>Rose.
Lol at RW being a better fit for the Thunder, Rose would play off of Durant much better than RW can.....a pg who averages 5 assists with Durant and Harden on his team is downright pathetic.

[LoneyROY7]

Westbrook is a better fit for the Thunder, so for me Westbrook>Rose.

You don't think a duo of Rose and Durant would be more/as effective?

:kobe:

[dunksby]

Lol at RW being a better fit for the Thunder, Rose would play off of Durant much better than RW can.....a pg who averages 5 assists with Durant and Harden on his team is downright pathetic.

You don't think a duo of Rose and Durant would be more/as effective?

:kobe:
It's good that morons post stuff like this to expose themselves. You dunno how Thunder plays if you are bringing in Assists as an argument. Can't have discussion with idiots who read boxscores.

[Clocian-IGN]

It's good that morons post stuff like this to expose themselves. You dunno how Thunder plays if you are bringing in Assists as an argument. Can't have discussion with idiots who read boxscores.

of course we know how they play. they play iso offense and hope they get bailed out by refs and their calls(which they do). So actually yes, I would agree with you that wb fits better with okc, because they blow whistles for him. that's the only reason

[DMAVS41]

no difference between them this year really. westbrook has been better...but marginally so.

[Go Getter]

It's good that morons post stuff like this to expose themselves. You dunno how Thunder plays if you are bringing in Assists as an argument. Can't have discussion with idiots who read boxscores.
I watched his game broken down to It's very last compound on youtube and I saw him playing hero ball and shooting when he should have been passing. I saw him going to the paint like a madman and making several bone headed plays which from what I gather is normal for him.


To say that D Rose is in more control of his game and looks for teammates more is an accurate statement. He can also ISO better than RW because he has more common sense.

[LA_Showtime]

I would take Westbrook. At this point he seems more versatile, and obviously Rose's health hasn't helped matters.

Side note: It's only a matter of time before Rose becomes criminally underrated. He's going to be one of those guys who is either underrated or overrated throughout his career.

[LoneyROY7]

It's good that morons post stuff like this to expose themselves. You dunno how Thunder plays if you are bringing in Assists as an argument. Can't have discussion with idiots who read boxscores.

:roll:

We're morons because we believe a duo of last year's MVP and last year's scoring champion would be a very effective duo? :facepalm

You sir are a homer...congrats. I'm looking at it objectively, seeing as I have no allegiance to either team.

Derrick Rose is a better player then Russell Westbrook. I'm sorry, ask any scout, any NBA analyst, and they will tell you the same.

But before you call me hater (like you did yesterday until I responded and you disappeared), I created a thread just yesterday praising Westbrook's efficiency and the season he is currently having.

[OKCThunderUP]

:roll:

We're morons because we believe a duo of last year's MVP and last year's scoring champion would be a very effective duo? :facepalm

You sir are a homer...congrats. I'm looking at it objectively, seeing as I have no allegiance to either team.

Derrick Rose is a better player then Russell Westbrook. I'm sorry, ask any scout, any NBA analyst, and they will tell you the same.

But before you call me hater (like you did yesterday until I responded and you disappeared), I created a thread just yesterday praising Westbrook's efficiency and the season he is currently having.

How exactly would a player who shoots with less efficiency and at a smaller clip and who can't stay healthy for an entire season make for a better combo with KD?

And I believe dunksy's comment was directed at the idea that Rose is going to average more assists in OKC than Westbrook does. That's silly and proves anyone making that kind of statement doesn't watch OKC play.

[June1026]

.... WATCH the games, if you know anything about basketball, and team concept, you'd take Rose with a heartbeat.

[LoneyROY7]

How exactly would a player who shoots with less efficiency and at a smaller clip and who can't stay healthy for an entire season make for a better combo with KD?

And I believe dunksy's comment was directed at the idea that Rose is going to average more assists in OKC than Westbrook does. That's silly and proves anyone making that kind of statement doesn't watch OKC play.

Is a current statistical comparison between the two players really a fair assessment considering the stark contrast of each of their situations?

Rose is THE MAN in Chicago, and that means his opponent's number 1 priority each game on defense is keep him in their sights at all times and hopefully in check. Westbrook on the other hand plays next to arguably the best pure scorer in the game, and that allows more openings for Russ then Derrick has ever been afforded.

So by saying 'how can a player who is slightly less efficient be more successful with Durant?' is short-sighted and not seeing the grand scheme of things. Are you honestly trying to tell me that Rose's efficiency would not rise playing next to Durant? That bullocks and you know it.

[I.R.Beast]

Rose finally averages more assists than westbrook , now people wanna jump all over the ASSISTS argument. You people are hypocrites.

[OKCThunderUP]

So by saying "how can player who is slightly less efficient by more successful with Durant' is short-sighted and not seeing the grand scheme of things. Are you honestly trying to tell me that Rose's efficiency would not rise playing next to Durant? That bullocks and you know it.

No, I really don't think it would. It would probably decline because OKC's floor spacing is absolutely atrocious. He'll be forced to take far more jump shots than he is now and that's not going to bode well for his efficiency.

[I.R.Beast]

No, I really don't think it would. It would probably decline because OKC's floor spacing is absolutely atrocious. He'll be forced to take far more jump shots than he is now and that's not going to bode well for his efficiency.
i honestly think the outcome would be the same...Rose and Westbrook game are so identical. Rose is a better shooter and finisher though. Rose has the edge, but i like westbrook more.

[LoneyROY7]

No, I really don't think it would. It would probably decline because OKC's floor spacing is absolutely atrocious. He'll be forced to take far more jump shots than he is now and that's not going to bode well for his efficiency.

I'll take Rose shooting a 3-pointer ALL DAY over Westbrook.

Rose IMO is the best penetrating guard/slasher in the game currently, and I see the driving lanes Russ gets in OKC...there's no way in heck you could convince me that his efficiency would drop playing next to Durant. Not a chance.

[OKCThunderUP]

i honestly think the outcome would be the same...Rose and Westbrook game are so identical. Rose is a better shooter and finisher though. Rose has the edge, but i like westbrook more.

Rose is a better shooter than Westbrook? On what planet???


I'll take Rose shooting a 3-pointer ALL DAY over Westbrook.

Rose IMO is the best penetrating guard/slasher in the game currently, and I see the driving lanes Russ gets in OKC...there's no way in heck you could convince me that his efficiency would drop playing next to Durant. Not a chance.

Westbrook's 3-point shooting is better than Rose's. His % is awful because he started the season shooting like 20% from 3 but it's been in the upper 30s since the ASG.

I'm not saying Rose can't attack the rim, but in this offense he's going to be taking a lot more jump shots (like Westbrook does). And his J is not great.

[LoneyROY7]

Rose is a better shooter than Westbrook? On what planet???

Westbrook is a better mid-range shooter (although he is fairly streaky), but Rose is the better shooter from deep.

[DMAVS41]

Everyone acting like they are on different levels as players this year is fitting the very definition of cognitive bias

[I.R.Beast]

Rose is a better shooter than Westbrook? On what planet???
Rose is a better shooter than Westbrook...Mindrange and 3....Look i love em both, and watch em alot, but Rose has the edge in shooting. I understand you're a thunder fan, and WB is your guy, but he's my guy too i like him more than i do Rose, but he's not better than D-Rose at anything except rebounding and defense(this year i'd say rose has been better at that too).

[OKCThunderUP]

Westbrook is a better mid-range shooter (although he is fairly streaky), but Rose is the better shooter from deep.

Except Westbrook has Rose beat in every single shooting category percentage.........

[LoneyROY7]

Rose is a better shooter than Westbrook? On what planet???



Westbrook's 3-point shooting is better than Rose's. His % is awful because he started the season shooting like 20% from 3 but it's been in the upper 30s since the ASG.

I'm not saying Rose can't attack the rim, but in this offense he's going to be taking a lot more jump shots (like Westbrook does). And his J is not great.

A lot of the jumpers Russell takes are merely his choice, rather then a counter to the defense being played or a product of the Thunder's offensive scheme.

Look at Kobe for example, a lot of the jump shots he takes go outside of the Lakers' offensive structure...he just chooses to shoot them.

So I do not believe Rose would be forced shoot a significantly higher amount of jump shots playing on the Thunder.

[I.R.Beast]

Except Westbrook has Rose beat in every single shooting category percentage.........
can't just play the percentages man. you know that. Rose is defended differently than westbrook. Rose garners more defensive attention as he does not have KD on his team.

[LoneyROY7]

Except Westbrook has Rose beat in every single shooting category percentage.........

Expect Rose attempts 1.5 more 3s a game then Westbrook...so of course the percentage is going to be affected. And like I.R. just mentioned, Rose is getting less open 3s then Russell as well due to extra defensive attention.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Whats crazy is people are using FG% in the most flawed ways possible. When is the last time Westbrook had SFs and PFs guard him on a frequent basis?

Let Iggy Jrue Holiday guard him together the whole damn game and lets see what happens...

[OKCThunderUP]

Expect Rose attempts 1.5 more 3s a game then Westbrook...so of course the percentage is going to be affected. And like I.R. just mentioned, Rose is getting less open 3s then Russell as well due to extra defensive attention.

1.5 attempts is not significant enough a number to say one player is the better shooter from that spot on the floor lol

[LoneyROY7]

1.5 attempts is not significant enough a number to say one player is the better shooter from that spot on the floor lol

But extra defensive attention is...

[Clocian-IGN]

Whats crazy is people are using FG% in the most flawed ways possible. When is the last time Westbrook had SFs and PFs guard him on a frequent basis?

Let Iggy Jrue Holiday guard him together the whole damn game and lets see what happens...

yup

[OKCThunderUP]

But extra defensive attention is...

Every time I counter your argument you change your defense to something else, finding a bunch of unexplainable, completely ridiculous variables to add that no one can actually prove.

[LoneyROY7]

Every time I counter your argument you change your defense to something else, finding a bunch of unexplainable, completely ridiculous variables to add that no one can actually prove.

Except you had no response to the premise that Russell chooses to take a significant amount of mid-range jump shots, rather then the OKC offense being designed in that fashion. And therefore Rose would not have to necessarily take more jumpers on the Thunder.

Do you want me to pull up the Coach Nick video that highlights all the unnecessary mid-range jumpers Russell takes?

[dunksby]

Chicago can handle missing their star PG for so many games, but OKC would not bode as well without their own that is one reason RW is a better fit. He is tough as they come and he has a fire burning in him that sometimes leads him astray but I'm personally ok with that. I know the team feels the same that's why he is getting paid big. I hope this is simple enough for certain morons.

[LoneyROY7]

Chicago can handle missing their star PG for so many games, but OKC would not bode as well without their own that is one reason RW is a better fit. He is tough as they come and he has a fire burning in him that sometimes leads him astray but I'm personally ok with that. I know the team feels the same that's why he is getting paid big. I hope this is simple enough for certain morons.

Chicago is paying Rose about 100 million, so obviously his team understands his importance as well. And calling someone else a "moron" because they disagree with you is a clear sign of insecurity.

[MASH Transit]

It's discussions such as these that exposes those that don't watch nor comprehend basketball.

Derrick Rose thrives in the PnR. That's his niche, it's how he generates the bulk of his offense(43.2% of it to be exact). Whereas Westbrook is a significantly better iso scorer. Converting at a clip of 49% in iso situations compared to Rose's 37%.

Given OKC's primitive iso driven scheme, and their lack of competent PnR bigs in their starting rotation, how can one come to the conclusion that Rose would be a better fit for OKC than Westbrook?

In addition, those who continue to criticize Westbrook for averaging 5 assist per game need explain why he's deserving of such critiques? As I've already pointed out, prior to the Perkins trade, when he was playing with players at the 4 and 5(Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic) that could stretch the floor and score the basketball, he averaged 8 assist per game and logged an ast% of 42.7. All greater than Rose's career high.

And no, Rose is not a better shooter than Westbrook. Prior to this season this were so, especially in 09-10 when Rose had an excellent mid range game. But as of this season this is no longer the case. Westbrook is logging superior averages from everywhere beyond 9 feet.(he's also been better at the rim, but I digress) And from 9-23 feet, he's giving you greater volume and superior conversion rates. From the floor itself, he's averaging 47.5% in comparison to Rose's 45%, and is carrying a ts% of 55.4 to Rose's 54.8. And from three? Westbrook is giving you three attempts per game and converting at 33.8%; Rose 4.5 at 31.4%.

That aside, and to further build on the point that Westbrook is undoubtedly a better fit for OKC than Rose; Westbrook is much better at turning defense into offense as he's more adept at creating turnovers(1.6 steals per game to Rose's .9) and is a better rebounder. And if any team loves to run, it's OKC. Westbrook enables them to do just that.

Neither of these players is any better than the other, but I don't see much of an argument for Rose being a better fit for OKC than Westbrook. Especially since Rose has missed 16 games this season, and Westbrook hasn't missed a single game in his career.

[LA_Showtime]

It's discussions such as these that exposes those that don't watch nor comprehend basketball.

Derrick Rose thrives in the PnR. That's his niche, it's how he generates the bulk of his offense(43.2% of it to be exact). Whereas Westbrook is a significantly better iso scorer. Converting at a clip of 49% in iso situations compared to Rose's 37%.

Given OKC's primitive iso driven scheme, and their lack of competent PnR bigs in their starting rotation, how can one come to the conclusion that Rose would be a better fit for OKC than Westbrook?

In addition, those who continue to criticize Westbrook for averaging 5 assist per game need explain why he's deserving of such critiques? As I've already pointed out, prior to the Perkins trade, when he was playing with players at the 4 and 5(Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic) that could stretch the floor and score the basketball, he averaged 8 assist per game and logged an ast% of 42.7. All greater than Rose's career high.

And no, Rose is not a better shooter than Westbrook. Prior to this season this were so, especially in 09-10 when Rose had an excellent mid range game. But as of this season this is no longer the case. Westbrook is logging superior averages from everywhere beyond 9 feet.(he's also been better at the rim, but I digress) And from 9-23 feet, he's giving you greater volume and superior conversion rates. From the floor itself, he's averaging 47.5% in comparison to Rose's 45%, and is carrying a ts% of 55.4 to Rose's 54.8. And from three? Westbrook is giving you three attempts per game and converting at 33.8%; Rose 4.5 at 31.4%.

That aside, and to further build on the point that Westbrook is undoubtedly a better fit for OKC than Rose; Westbrook is much better at turning defense into offense as he's more adept at creating turnovers(1.6 steals per game to Rose's .9) and is a better rebounder. And if any team loves to run, it's OKC. Westbrook enables them to do just that.

Neither of these players is any better than the other, but I don't see much of an argument for Rose being a better fit for OKC than Westbrook. Especially since Rose has missed 16 games this season, and Westbrook hasn't missed a single game in his career.

I'd argue that James Harden has more to do with Westbrook's assist average than Green and Krystic.

[dunksby]

It's discussions such as these that exposes those that don't watch nor comprehend basketball.

Derrick Rose thrives in the PnR. That's his niche, it's how he generates the bulk of his offense(43.2% of it to be exact). Whereas Westbrook is a significantly better iso scorer. Converting at a clip of 49% in iso situations compared to Rose's 37%.

Given OKC's primitive iso driven scheme, and their lack of competent PnR bigs in their starting rotation, how can one come to the conclusion that Rose would be a better fit for OKC than Westbrook?

In addition, those who continue to criticize Westbrook for averaging 5 assist per game need explain why he's deserving of such critiques? As I've already pointed out, prior to the Perkins trade, when he was playing with players at the 4 and 5(Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic) that could stretch the floor and score the basketball, he averaged 8 assist per game and logged an ast% of 42.7. All greater than Rose's career high.

And no, Rose is not a better shooter than Westbrook. Prior to this season this were so, especially in 09-10 when Rose had an excellent mid range game. But as of this season this is no longer the case. Westbrook is logging superior averages from everywhere beyond 9 feet.(he's also been better at the rim, but I digress) And from 9-23 feet, he's giving you greater volume and superior conversion rates. From the floor itself, he's averaging 47.5% in comparison to Rose's 45%, and is carrying a ts% of 55.4 to Rose's 54.8. And from three? Westbrook is giving you three attempts per game and converting at 33.8%; Rose 4.5 at 31.4%.

That aside, and to further build on the point that Westbrook is undoubtedly a better fit for OKC than Rose; Westbrook is much better at turning defense into offense as he's more adept at creating turnovers(1.6 steals per game to Rose's .9) and is a better rebounder. And if any team loves to run, it's OKC. Westbrook enables them to do just that.

Neither of these players is any better than the other, but I don't see much of an argument for Rose being a better fit for OKC than Westbrook. Especially since Rose has missed 16 games this season, and Westbrook hasn't missed a single game in his career.
Thank you, it is good to see someone else who can see it as it is :cheers:

[Tenchi Ryu]

It's discussions such as these that exposes those that don't watch nor comprehend basketball.

And then you proceed to give us a wall of stats and numbers...
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Someone is exposed of not watching basketball alright.

[ballinhun8]

Thank you, it is good to see someone else who can see it as it is :cheers:


Yes let us all listen to Joyner :rolleyes:


We'll see if James guards Westbrook on Sunday and see if he really on Rose' level.

[imdaman99]

Yes let us all listen to Joyner :rolleyes:


We'll see if James guards Westbrook on Sunday and see if he really on Rose' level.
you seriously think westbrook would look as lost with lebron on him as rose did last yr in the ecf? :roll:

[MASH Transit]

And then you proceed to give us a wall of stats and numbers...
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Someone is exposed of not watching basketball alright.

What don't you understand? Are conversion rates, which are mathematical truths, too much for your feeble mind to grasp?

I'll attempt to present my post in simpler terms. Westbrook is a better shooter, and scores more, more efficiently. He's a better fit for OKC because he's a better iso scorer, rebounder, and is more adept at creating turnovers and transition opportunities. He averages less assist now, but has averaged more than Rose's career high twice.

Got it?

[Tenchi Ryu]

Yes let us all listen to Joyner :rolleyes:


We'll see if James guards Westbrook on Sunday and see if he really on Rose' level.
Thats all it comes down to...

We saw Rose do it this year, and he dropped 34 on that ass....

[Tenchi Ryu]

In the end, When all time greats like Magic, Isiah and Penny tell me what I already thought in that Rose is better, I'm more inclined to listen to them than some folks on the internet.

[MASH Transit]

In the end, When all time greats like Magic, Isiah and Penny tell me what I already thought in that Rose is better, I'm more inclined to listen to them than some folks on the internet.

Great argument. Just bulletproof.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Great argument. Just bulletproof.
Thank you

[CardiacKemba]

In the end, When all time greats like Magic, Isiah and Penny tell me what I already thought in that Rose is better, I'm more inclined to listen to them than some folks on the internet.

Good argument. They must be right. :coleman:

[Tenchi Ryu]

Good argument. They must be right. :coleman:
They agree with ME, thats all I care about. When having the debate of this sort, the fact that such respected and knowledgeable people in this subject are saying what I'm saying, that lets me know I must be on to something.

Are we really gonna say someone like Magic Johnson's opinion of the PGs in this league means nothing?

[PyrrhusX]

They agree with ME, thats all I care about. When having the debate of this sort, the fact that such respected and knowledgeable people in this subject are saying what I'm saying, that lets me know I must be on to something.

Are we really gonna say someone like Magic Johnson's opinion of the PGs in this league means nothing?

No .. you agree with them.
Also why arnt people allowed to have their own oppinions?

Personally, I think Rose is better .. but not by the massive margin some people portray it to be..

[Lebron23]

Russel Westbrook is the better player this season.

[hkfosho]

Russel Westbrook is the better player this season.

No. He may have better stats but he's playing alongside kevin durant, and Rose has been injured all season.

[pauk]

Westbrook has been rather better this season.... he has improved dramatically, even a fully healthy Rose will be rivaled by this Westbrook...