Is Kevin Love the most overrated player?

[SacJB Shady]

I don't mean to hate, however i don't like him especially after the Scola incident. But people are saying he's like the best power forward ever or best player in the league. He can't even get his team to be a winning team. Last year they were the worst team in the league. See, when Lebron was playing with an awful team, he was able to lead them to the finals vs the spurs. Kevin Love could never do that. He puts up insane numbers, yet it doesn't seem to lead to very many wins, however you look at it. While he's scoring 25 a game and makes 3's, his overall pct is not very good for a PF. Chris Bosh could do what he was doing when he was on Toronto. And Love is still not averaging more than Howard in rebounds this year. His defense is not as good. Last year he averaged a little bit more rebounds because his team missed the most shots. This year they have been a little better, so his numbers go down slightly. But if Bynum wasn't playing with Gasol, he might have more rebounds than Love. Bynum is a much better defensive player too. What do you guys think? I think Love has talent, but his numbers don't really speak for themselves. They don't lead to wins. Lebron could lead any team to wins. Wade would help that team win more games if they traded him for Love.


By the way, Love had 50 and 14 tonight. How many assists did he have?

[CardiacKemba]

I don't mean to hate, however i don't like him especially after the Scola incident. But people are saying he's like the best power forward ever or best player in the league. He can't even get his team to be a winning team. Last year they were the worst team in the league. See, when Lebron was playing with an awful team, he was able to lead them to the finals vs the spurs. Kevin Love could never do that. He puts up insane numbers, yet it doesn't seem to lead to very many wins, however you look at it. While he's scoring 25 a game and makes 3's, his overall pct is not very good for a PF. Chris Bosh could do what he was doing when he was on Toronto. And Love is still not averaging more than Howard in rebounds this year. His defense is not as good. Last year he averaged a little bit more rebounds because his team missed the most shots. This year they have been a little better, so his numbers go down slightly. But if Bynum wasn't playing with Gasol, he might have more rebounds than Love. Bynum is a much better defensive player too. What do you guys think? I think Love has talent, but his numbers don't really speak for themselves. They don't lead to wins. Lebron could lead any team to wins. Wade would help that team win more games if they traded him for Love.


By the way, Love had 50 and 14 tonight. How many assists did he have?


His starting PG is Luke Ridnour.

[Collie]

I don't mean to hate, however i don't like him especially after the Scola incident. But people are saying he's like the best power forward ever or best player in the league. He can't even get his team to be a winning team. Last year they were the worst team in the league. See, when Lebron was playing with an awful team, he was able to lead them to the finals vs the spurs. Kevin Love could never do that. He puts up insane numbers, yet it doesn't seem to lead to very many wins, however you look at it. While he's scoring 25 a game and makes 3's, his overall pct is not very good for a PF. Chris Bosh could do what he was doing when he was on Toronto. And Love is still not averaging more than Howard in rebounds this year. His defense is not as good. Last year he averaged a little bit more rebounds because his team missed the most shots. This year they have been a little better, so his numbers go down slightly. But if Bynum wasn't playing with Gasol, he might have more rebounds than Love. Bynum is a much better defensive player too. What do you guys think? I think Love has talent, but his numbers don't really speak for themselves. They don't lead to wins. Lebron could lead any team to wins. Wade would help that team win more games if they traded him for Love.


By the way, Love had 50 and 14 tonight. How many assists did he have?

Proof?

[LoneyROY7]

:kobe:

[Collie]

I don't mean to hate, however i don't like him especially after the Scola incident. But people are saying he's like the best power forward ever or best player in the league. He can't even get his team to be a winning team. Last year they were the worst team in the league. See, when Lebron was playing with an awful team, he was able to lead them to the finals vs the spurs. Kevin Love could never do that. He puts up insane numbers, yet it doesn't seem to lead to very many wins, however you look at it. While he's scoring 25 a game and makes 3's, his overall pct is not very good for a PF. Chris Bosh could do what he was doing when he was on Toronto. And Love is still not averaging more than Howard in rebounds this year. His defense is not as good. Last year he averaged a little bit more rebounds because his team missed the most shots. This year they have been a little better, so his numbers go down slightly. But if Bynum wasn't playing with Gasol, he might have more rebounds than Love. Bynum is a much better defensive player too. What do you guys think? I think Love has talent, but his numbers don't really speak for themselves. They don't lead to wins. Lebron could lead any team to wins. Wade would help that team win more games if they traded him for Love.


By the way, Love had 50 and 14 tonight. How many assists did he have?

Not as good as Drew "Magic" Gooden

[LABean]

Look at your av, you dumb ****. :facepalm :facepalm

Anyway, it's Melo.

/thread

[SacJB Shady]

Look at your av, you dumb ****. :facepalm :facepalm

Anyway, it's Melo.

/thread



Lol, look at yours (for this year ok)

[roffie]

without K-Love.. wolves would probably be on the same boat as the wizards...

[SyRyanYang]

without K-Love.. wolves would probably be on the same boat as the wizards...
more like bobcats

[spiegel]

Someone with a Lin avatar calling somonelse overrated?. Oh the irony.

[Harison]

Love is a borderline superstar, but one-dimensional, a la Melo, Griffin, etc. I would much rather have two-way big like Dwight.

[rodman91]

Rich Man's Mehmet Okur or Troy Murphy.

[kNIOKAS]

Love is a borderline superstar, but one-dimensional, a la Melo, Griffin, etc. I would much rather have two-way big like Dwight.
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/131/319047856_dbf1ef3e92.jpg

first you state that Love is one dimensional, then you call Dwight two-way big, whatever that means... You just put those sentences together randomly, don't you.

[lakerfreak]

They were above .500 when rubio was in the lineup. No one superstar can ever do it alone. Not without significant help.

Not overrated at all.

[IGOTGAME]

without K-Love.. wolves would probably be on the same boat as the wizards...
Not even close to true if everyone else is healthy.

[vegasbigshots]

:coleman: Whatcha talking about Willus.

Wrong. 51 tonight against OKC.

[Harison]

first you state that Love is one dimensional, then you call Dwight two-way big, whatever that means... You just put those sentences together randomly, don't you.

Dwight is the best two-way big in NBA at the moment. Want to argue, or you just put those sentences together randomly? :D Granted he isnt elite offensively, but good enough for 21 PPG at 58%, along with 3.7 ORB and 1.9 APG.

DPOY level bigman is extremely valuable, especially in current NBA, while Love/Dirk/Griffin/Bosh provides what? Offense only.

[kNIOKAS]

Dwight is the best two-way big in NBA at the moment. Want to argue, or you just put those sentences together randomly? :D Granted he isnt elite offensively, but good enough for 21 PPG at 58%, along with 3.7 ORB and 1.9 APG.

DPOY level bigman is extremely valuable, especially in current NBA, while Love/Dirk/Griffin/Bosh provides what? Offense only.
Howard offensively is limited to dunking the ball. Very poor at anything else... While Love seems to have all around game, and is consistently improving his game. Both great rebounders, but it's Howard who is one dimensional, and it's Love who can do it all. Please.

[blablabla]

Howard offensively is limited to dunking the ball. Very poor at anything else... While Love seems to have all around game, and is consistently improving his game. Both great rebounders, but it's Howard who is one dimensional, and it's Love who can do it all. Please.
howard has that one post move

[CelticBaller]

Dude, have you seen his starting line up? :facepalm

he is the best PF in the league

[JMT]

Dwight is the best two-way big in NBA at the moment. Want to argue, or you just put those sentences together randomly? :D Granted he isnt elite offensively, but good enough for 21 PPG at 58%, along with 3.7 ORB and 1.9 APG.

DPOY level bigman is extremely valuable, especially in current NBA, while Love/Dirk/Griffin/Bosh provides what? Offense only.

Not sure what combination of drugs would lead someone to mention Bosh in this group.

Aside from Griffin, none of the others mentioned as "one dimensional" PF (Melo, Amare, Dirk, etc) are in the Top 25 in the league in rebounding. Hell, Durant out rebounds those guys.

Love is second in the league. Also delivers scoring both inside and out, can catch & shoot, and is becoming more comforatble in the P&R.

Is he a good defender? Nah. But to lump him in with the rest of the guys who spend their non-shooting time on the floor delivering little or nothing is just plain foolish.

[Harison]

Howard offensively is limited to dunking the ball. Very poor at anything else... While Love seems to have all around game, and is consistently improving his game. Both great rebounders, but it's Howard who is one dimensional, and it's Love who can do it all. Please.

Dwight is by FAR and BEYOND better defensively than Love, its non-debatable.

Lets see offense:

21 PPG at 58.2% (last season 22.9 with 59%), do you want call it non-existent offensive game? Thats Shaq's efficiency, and 20-23 PPG is respectable, regardless if he has 10 or three moves.

Do you remember what Rodman said about Shaq's offensive game? "Shaq only has two moves - dunk with one hand, and dunk with two hands" :lol Granted, Shaq had more moves than Dwight, but both are not in the same stratosphere as Dream or McHale.

Whats next, you will claim Shaq had no offense either? :confusedshrug: If player gets ball to the hoop at a great efficiency and 20+ PPG, he has offense, even if it doesnt have great variety or range.

Bottom line: to call Dwight one-dimensional is asinine. If you want example of the elite defender who could be called one-dimensional - Mutombo and the like.

[dude77]

Love is a borderline superstar, but one-dimensional


:facepalm :hammerhead:

[Harison]

Not sure what combination of drugs would lead someone to mention Bosh in this group.

Aside from Griffin, none of the others mentioned as "one dimensional" PF (Melo, Amare, Dirk, etc) are in the Top 25 in the league in rebounding. Hell, Durant out rebounds those guys.

Love is second in the league. Also delivers scoring both inside and out, can catch & shoot, and is becoming more comforatble in the P&R.

Rebounding by itself isnt "dimension", it contributes to offense and/or defense. Just because Love is a good rebounder, it doesnt make him a good defender, it would be additional factor if Love would play defense, and he doesnt. Much like Iverson was amazing at steals, and Nash - at drawing charges. Are they good defenders? No, they are one-dimensional, same as Love with good rebounding but no defense.

[kNIOKAS]

Dwight is by FAR and BEYOND better defensively than Love, its non-debatable.

Lets see offense:

21 PPG at 58.2% (last season 22.9 with 59%), do you want call it non-existent offensive game? Thats Shaq's efficiency, and 20-23 PPG is respectable, regardless if he has 10 or three moves.

Do you remember what Rodman said about Shaq's offensive game? "Shaq only has two moves - dunk with one hand, and dunk with two hands" :lol Granted, Shaq had more moves than Dwight, but both are not in the same stratosphere as Dream or McHale.

Whats next, you will claim Shaq had no offense either? :confusedshrug: If player gets ball to the hoop at a great efficiency and 20+ PPG, he has offense, even if it doesnt have great variety or range.

Bottom line: to call Dwight one-dimensional is asinine. If you want example of the elite defender who could be called one-dimensional - Mutombo and the like.
Lets not act like Howard is dominant offensively. He's easily shook by a decent defense, and could be thrown-off like nothing. The lack of other good bigs in the league makes him look like he's not that vulnerable, but he is.
He may be better defensively than Love, but going head to head he would lose half of his value as he'd have to roam around perimeter to stop Love from knocking down those threes.

Anyway, you said Love is one dimensional while Howard is not. That's fundamentaly wrong.

[JMT]

Rebounding by itself isnt "dimension", it contributes to offense and/or defense. Just because Love is a good rebounder, it doesnt make him a good defender, it only would be if Love would play defense, and he doesnt. Much like Iverson was amazing at steals, and Nash - at drawing charges. Are they good defenders? No, they are one-dimensional, same as Love with good rebounding but no defense.

What a dumb response, especially since I addressed Love's deficiency as a defender.

Rebounding stands on it's own merit. He boards at both ends of the floor, contributing to both offense and defense. The other guys you mentioned don't even do that. They shoot; that's it.

Anyone that doesn't recognize the importance of rebounding as a stand-alone skill doesn't understand the game.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kevin Love scores 25-26 a night while grabbing just under 14 rebounds - and he's "one dimensional"? Too funny. :oldlol:

[Harison]

Lets not act like Howard is dominant offensively. He's easily shook by a decent defense, and could be thrown-off like nothing. The lack of other good bigs in the league makes him look like he's not that vulnerable, but he is.
He may be better defensively than Love, but going head to head he would lose half of his value as he'd have to roam around perimeter to stop Love from knocking down those threes.

I never said Dwight is dominant offensively, I said "he isnt elite offensively, but good enough for 21 PPG at 58%, along with 3.7 ORB and 1.9 APG." Those are good offensive numbers, and that makes him two-dimensional, since its already given he is great defender.



Anyway, you said Love is one dimensional while Howard is not. That's fundamentaly wrong.

I already proved Dwight plays two-ways, Love plays offense and rebounds. Rebounding as mentioned above doesnt make an extra dimension by itself, its only contributing factor. Since Love doesnt play defense, he is one-dimensional.

[MK2V1GP]

The COLLECTIVE IQ of several posters on this board wouldn't even equal that of a dolphin or chimp.

[Harison]

What a dumb response, especially since I addressed Love's deficiency as a defender.

Rebounding stands on it's own merit. He boards at both ends of the floor, contributing to both offense and defense. The other guys you mentioned don't even do that. They shoot; that's it.

Anyone that doesn't recognize the importance of rebounding as a stand-alone skill doesn't understand the game.

I recognize what rebounding is, and you just repeated it, what you went further though, is to make dumb claim "Rebounding stands on it's own merit." No it doesnt, its a contributing factor to offense and/or defense.

What you cant comprehend, is that rebounding doesnt make dimension (either side) by itself. Same as Iverson with steals, is he a two way player? No? Same as Love with rebounding.

[SacJB Shady]

how is love better than rodman?

[atljonesbro]

I don't mean to hate, however i don't like him especially after the Scola incident. But people are saying he's like the best power forward ever or best player in the league. He can't even get his team to be a winning team. Last year they were the worst team in the league. See, when Lebron was playing with an awful team, he was able to lead them to the finals vs the spurs. Kevin Love could never do that. He puts up insane numbers, yet it doesn't seem to lead to very many wins, however you look at it. While he's scoring 25 a game and makes 3's, his overall pct is not very good for a PF. Chris Bosh could do what he was doing when he was on Toronto. And Love is still not averaging more than Howard in rebounds this year. His defense is not as good. Last year he averaged a little bit more rebounds because his team missed the most shots. This year they have been a little better, so his numbers go down slightly. But if Bynum wasn't playing with Gasol, he might have more rebounds than Love. Bynum is a much better defensive player too. What do you guys think? I think Love has talent, but his numbers don't really speak for themselves. They don't lead to wins. Lebron could lead any team to wins. Wade would help that team win more games if they traded him for Love.


By the way, Love had 50 and 14 tonight. How many assists did he have?

:biggums:

[SacJB Shady]

:biggums:


well? how many?

[atljonesbro]

well? how many?
:biggums: Are you stupid?

[SacJB Shady]

:biggums: Are you stupid?


just making a point

[atljonesbro]

just making a point
Since when has anyone ever measured a power fowards worth over how many assists, especially after a 51-14 game? Unbelievable how far the haters will reach

[SacJB Shady]

Since when has anyone ever measured a power fowards worth over how many assists, especially after a 51-14 game? Unbelievable how far the haters will reach


he cant get 1 assist? but does everything else... its about team play

[JMT]

I recognize what rebounding is, and you just repeated it, what you went further though, is to make dumb claim "Rebounding stands on it's own merit." No it doesnt, its a contributing factor to offense and/or defense.

What you cant comprehend, is that rebounding doesnt make dimension (either side) by itself. Same as Iverson with steals, is he a two way player? No? Same as Love with rebounding.

You really want to compare the ability to generate 2 possessions per game in the open court with the impact of generating 13 at one rim or the other?

Ask a coach about the importance of rebounding and whether it's an ancillary part of the game or a focal point.

Repeating the same insipid argument doesn't give it any more validity.

[SacJB Shady]

The T wolves had Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Ricky Rubio, and Pekovic. If Love is great, he should be able to make them win considerably better than .500.

[Harison]

You really want to compare the ability to generate 2 possessions per game in the open court with the impact of generating 13 at one rim or the other?

Repeating the same insipid argument doesn't give it any more validity.

I'm just showing where YOUR logic leads to, and since you are looking for an excuse (more RBG > less STL is technically correct, but you are missing the point).

Here is another example, more suitable for you - Mutombo. By your logic, he is a two-way player. :confusedshrug:

[LamarOdom]

Kevin Love is very overrated. He just had a 50 point game but lets not forget it was made in 50 minutes and how many minutes it was it is impressing but he certainly isn't close to Howard, he isn't the best PF and ofcourse the best thing i've heard today is that he is the best in the leauge.

Cmon get real he can't even push his team into playoffs in his fourth year.

[JohnRuck]

This thread is full of stupid.

[JMT]

I'm just showing where YOUR logic leads to, and since you are looking for an excuse (more RBG > less STL is technically correct, but you are missing the point).

Here is another example, more suitable for you - Mutombo. By your logic, he is a two-way player. :confusedshrug:

When you're so myopic as to think that "one or two way" is an adequate way to define players, your confusion is understandable.

[Jotaro Durant]

u have lin picture and calling another player overrated:roll:
love is top 10 easy nothing overrated about that

[Harison]

When you're so myopic as to think that "one or two way" is an adequate way to define players, your confusion is understandable.

I see, you have no argument whatsoever so all you can do is ad hominem, expected. :rolleyes:

You can call Mutombo, Love, etc. two-way, or less myopic - three-way (:lol ) players for all I care, facts remain as they are.

[ILLsmak]

The COLLECTIVE IQ of several posters on this board wouldn't even equal that of a dolphin or chimp.

I think it's hilarious that they test animals' IQ.

-Smak

[JMT]

I see, you have no argument whatsoever so all you can do is ad hominem, expected. :rolleyes:

.

Ah, the rolled eyes. Usually my niece is the only 12 year old girl I chat with.

You want to equate players who possess one offensive skill with those that possess multiple offensive skills. In your examples, a PF who does nothing but score is the same as a PF who both scores and rebounds. That's ridiculous.

You want to equate a PF who does nothing well on the court other than run open court P&R with one who scores inside and out and pulls down 12 boards a game.

It's an overly simplistic way of viewing the game and the impact of individual players.

[CelticBaller]

well? how many?
I didn't know love played PG for the twolves....:facepalm

[SacJB Shady]

I didn't know love played PG for the twolves....:facepalm


It wouldn't hurt to have 1 assist

[Whoah10115]

Love is a borderline superstar, but one-dimensional, a la Melo, Griffin, etc. I would much rather have two-way big like Dwight.



Hmmm...26.2PPG...if only he did more than scor...



:kobe: please

[SacJB Shady]

Hmmm...26.2PPG...if only he did more than scor...



:kobe: please



is he a team player?

[CelticBaller]

It wouldn't hurt to have 1 assist
and your insinuating he was ball hogging? did you see the game? the dude got most of his points out of tip ins, 3 pt shots coming out of a screen and from 2nd chance buckets. the guy is not a PG. you can pass the ball to your team mate and you're not guaranteed to get an assist. at least he did the right thing and instead of playing lin ball(trying to be a star playmaker) and end up with 8 TOs, he did his thing( getting rebounds and scoring)

[b1imtf]

is he a team player?
Yes

[Snoop_Cat]

Kevin Love is the best PF in the league, c'mon.

Who else is even in the running? Amare? Bosh? Gasol? Since when do assists measure if someone's a team player or not, especially at the PF/C position.

Love is averaging 26-14-2 for the season, he's not the best defensively but he does his fair share on defense while carrying this team on offense. Also, I don't think people realize how hard it is to average a double double in this league. Rebounding is all about positioning and your will to go after the ball, the fact that a relatively unathletic Love averages 14 boards is a testament to his basketball IQ and great use of his body.

Love is still young, he'll learn to produce more wins. Meanwhile, his team looks great on paper but let's look more into it. Rubio wasn't great for the first bits of the season and is now injured, leaving a starting backcourt of freaking Ridnour and Webster. Derrick Williams has been OK, Beasley is OK, Pekovic has been playing great but has had some injury issues and didn't play at this level all season.

Love is without a doubt a top 10 player in the league.

[atljonesbro]

I can't believe this little kid thinks PF are measured by how many assists they get LOL. Then he thinks Lin and Lebron are the best players in the league LMAO. I think you play to much NBA 2k12

[Alamo]

Lin is the most overrated player

[SacJB Shady]

Kevin Love is the best PF in the league, c'mon.

Who else is even in the running? Amare? Bosh? Gasol? Since when do assists measure if someone's a team player or not, especially at the PF/C position.

Love is averaging 26-14-2 for the season, he's not the best defensively but he does his fair share on defense while carrying this team on offense. Also, I don't think people realize how hard it is to average a double double in this league. Rebounding is all about positioning and your will to go after the ball, the fact that a relatively unathletic Love averages 14 boards is a testament to his basketball IQ and great use of his body.

Love is still young, he'll learn to produce more wins. Meanwhile, his team looks great on paper but let's look more into it. Rubio wasn't great for the first bits of the season and is now injured, leaving a starting backcourt of freaking Ridnour and Webster. Derrick Williams has been OK, Beasley is OK, Pekovic has been playing great but has had some injury issues and didn't play at this level all season.

Love is without a doubt a top 10 player in the league.


Yes Gasol and Dirk are better than love. They both have won the championship. Replace Dirk with Love, they wouldn't have won the championship. Gasol is longer than Love. He plays better defense, get's more blocked shots is a better paster, and has a higher field goal percentage. He averages a lot of rebounds too even playing alongside Andrew Bynum. It's about wins that matter. Love does have some talent around him, some. He doesn't make his team better.

[Meticode]

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/131/319047856_dbf1ef3e92.jpg

first you state that Love is one dimensional, then you call Dwight two-way big, whatever that means... You just put those sentences together randomly, don't you.
It means he plays defense and he's a pretty good offensive center. Grant it, he doesn't have a jumper or a refined offensive game. A lot of it is athleticism, but if you have the chance to get a center that averages near 60% FG%, 20/14 I'm pretty sure people are going to take that.

[SacJB Shady]

See what Shaq says about Love, he is right on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMP4BaWCJWE

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Ridiculous statement. If anything, he's underrated. The T-wolves were actually good this year, well before Rubio went out.

If anything, Melo is the most overrated F. And Blake Griffin to an extent, I can't believe how many people would rank Blake over K-Love.

[atljonesbro]

Yes Gasol and Dirk are better than love. They both have won the championship. Replace Dirk with Love, they wouldn't have won the championship. Gasol is longer than Love. He plays better defense, get's more blocked shots is a better paster, and has a higher field goal percentage. He averages a lot of rebounds too even playing alongside Andrew Bynum. It's about wins that matter. Love does have some talent around him, some. He doesn't make his team better.
You have to be one of the most ignorant people on this forum. Kevin Love hasn't had a competetant in his ENTIRE career until this year, then the floor general gets hurt, beasley has been hurt. Then you talk about championships? Compare the teams they play on and how long they've played, OH WAIT HE DOESNT GET ASSISTS SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. The odds of you being above the age of 14 are 0%

[ralph_i_el]

I don't mean to hate, however i don't like him especially after the Scola incident. But people are saying he's like the best power forward ever or best player in the league. He can't even get his team to be a winning team. Last year they were the worst team in the league. See, when Lebron was playing with an awful team, he was able to lead them to the finals vs the spurs. Kevin Love could never do that. He puts up insane numbers, yet it doesn't seem to lead to very many wins, however you look at it. While he's scoring 25 a game and makes 3's, his overall pct is not very good for a PF. Chris Bosh could do what he was doing when he was on Toronto. And Love is still not averaging more than Howard in rebounds this year. His defense is not as good. Last year he averaged a little bit more rebounds because his team missed the most shots. This year they have been a little better, so his numbers go down slightly. But if Bynum wasn't playing with Gasol, he might have more rebounds than Love. Bynum is a much better defensive player too. What do you guys think? I think Love has talent, but his numbers don't really speak for themselves. They don't lead to wins. Lebron could lead any team to wins. Wade would help that team win more games if they traded him for Love.


By the way, Love had 50 and 14 tonight. How many assists did he have?

you have to be an idiot if you think that lebrons cavs teammates were as bad as love's teammates last year.

his percentages aren't as high as other pf's because he shoots threes and draws a lot of fouls while taking a lot of shots. He actually is a very efficient scorer. Top-5 rebounder.


AND HE ISN'T EVEN 24

[SacJB Shady]

you have to be an idiot if you think that lebrons cavs teammates were as bad as love's teammates last year.

his percentages aren't as high as other pf's because he shoots threes and draws a lot of fouls while taking a lot of shots. He actually is a very efficient scorer. Top-5 rebounder.


AND HE ISN'T EVEN 24


When you draw fouls, that doesn't go against your field goal percentage. Yes Lebrons teammates were as bad. Look at what happened when Lebron left. So you're saying that Love is as good as Lebron? Defense? Assists?

[SacJB Shady]

You have to be one of the most ignorant people on this forum. Kevin Love hasn't had a competetant in his ENTIRE career until this year, then the floor general gets hurt, beasley has been hurt. Then you talk about championships? Compare the teams they play on and how long they've played, OH WAIT HE DOESNT GET ASSISTS SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. The odds of you being above the age of 14 are 0%



Has all his heroic rebounding led to any significant amount of wins... Yes or no

[Pharcyde]

Someone for real just tried to discredit Loves 50 point game because of his assist total.

[Pharcyde]

What does Dirk winning a championship in his 12th year have to do with Kevin Love?

[DMAVS41]

What does Dirk winning a championship in his 12th year have to do with Kevin Love?

Nothing. People just have their BS perceptions and will continue to hold onto them no matter what...until they are forced to change them.

Hell, I hear people all the time say Dirk's title doesn't mean much last year because it was a "fluke"

Love is now easily one of the best players in the game. What he is doing is simply amazing. And its resulting in wins.

He's putting up 26/14/2 on 45/38/81....57.2% TS

And he's been great in crunch time this year as well.

What players have been better this year really? Lebron/Durant/Howard...Love has an argument for the 3rd or 4th best player this year.

People need to deal with it.

[Fuhrer Hubbs]

Replace Kevin Love with LeBron and that team is immediately in the playoffs. Love is good, but not LeBron franchise carrying good. I don't think there should ever be an excuse for a superstar player not making the playoffs in the NBA unless they are injured.

C- Nikola Pekovic
F- Derrick Williams
F-LeBron James
G- JJ Barea
G- Ricky Rubio

[KGMN]

Replace Kevin Love with LeBron and that team is immediately in the playoffs. Love is good, but not LeBron franchise carrying good. I don't think there should ever be an excuse for a superstar player not making the playoffs in the NBA unless they are injured.

C- Nikola Pekovic
F- Derrick Williams
F-LeBron James
G- JJ Barea
G- Ricky Rubio

Take Rubio out of the mix... he's out for the rest of the season. I'm not necessarily arguing that the Wolves would miss the playoffs with LeBron (I think they'll make them anyways + I'm a Wolves fan).

I personally agree that LeBron's better than Kevin Love, but Kevin's improving quickly, becoming more clutch, and is developing at least some sort of defense. So here's hoping Kevin will be the next Minnesota Kevin and will lead us deep into the playoffs along with our upcoming roster in the years to come.

[LamarOdom]

Replace Kevin Love with LeBron and that team is immediately in the playoffs. Love is good, but not LeBron franchise carrying good. I don't think there should ever be an excuse for a superstar player not making the playoffs in the NBA unless they are injured.

C- Nikola Pekovic
F- Derrick Williams
F-LeBron James
G- JJ Barea
G- Ricky Rubio

Playoffs? this is a contending team no doubt about it, this is 10x the cavs.

Edit: Yes even w/o Rubio it's a contending team.

[Psileas]

Rebounding by itself isnt "dimension", it contributes to offense and/or defense. Just because Love is a good rebounder, it doesnt make him a good defender, it would be additional factor if Love would play defense, and he doesnt. Much like Iverson was amazing at steals, and Nash - at drawing charges. Are they good defenders? No, they are one-dimensional, same as Love with good rebounding but no defense.

"1-dimensional" and "1-way" doesn't necessarily have to mean the same thing. We can argue that "dimensions" break down the "two ways". If you think rebounding isn't a "dimension", you may ask whether Love is equally 1-way with Bargnani. Or if Bowen was equally 1-way with Rodman. Hell, freakin' Magic Johnson or Bill Russell are considered "1-way" players by lots of fans and they were light years away from being "1-dimensional".

[hawksdogsbraves]

The funny thing is that Minny didn't even lock him up for as long as they possibly could. He'll be gone when that contract is up.

[stephanieg]

Love could average 50/25 and no one would care.

[The_LA_Blakers]

Someone for real just tried to discredit Loves 50 point game because of his assist total.



And guess what happened?


They lost.



Dude plays more minutes than anyone in the league, takes more shots than anyone not names Kobe or Durant, and plays on a team without 1 other legitimate rebounder. Pek rebounds when he feels like it, but he's not even that great. Who else they got to rebound? Darko? Darko don't even wanna play ball anymore.

Love is a good shooter, a great hustler, and a smart player, but he doesn't belong in the Kobe/Lebron/Durant conversation. Those guys INSTANTLY lift their teams to higher levels.

Love had better numbers all around last year and they were worse. he had Rubio this year and they flirt with .500, now look at them. 3-6 since Rubio gets hurt.

He's like David Lee with a beard.


What's next, y'all are gonna say he's better than Larry Legend?


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[DeathOfAutotune]

Kevin Love is the most efficient pf in the game today. How can that even be questioned. I am noticing there are a lot of idiots on this site....wow man....Kevin Love overrated.....smh

[The_LA_Blakers]

Kevin Love is the most efficient pf in the game today. How can that even be questioned. I am noticing there are a lot of idiots on this site....wow man....Kevin Love overrated.....smh



Stats hog on a bad team.


There's a lot of PF better than him.

Dirk's better. Gasol is better. Lebron's better. Durant's better. Alridge and Big Al both score and rebound just as good and play better defense, they just don't shoot the 3 or play as many minutes or take as many shots.


The dude is a legend for doing nothing. It's stupid.



Bottom line: he doesn't lead his team to winning. Period.

[MK2V1GP]

I know these awards mean nothing, but how can you score 51 and then have a 30/20 game and NOT win player of the week honors? :hammerhead:

[MK2V1GP]

Stats hog on a bad team.


There's a lot of PF better than him.

Dirk's better. Gasol is better. Lebron's better. Durant's better. Alridge and Big Al both score and rebound just as good and play better defense, they just don't shoot the 3 or play as many minutes or take as many shots.


The dude is a legend for doing nothing. It's stupid.



Bottom line: he doesn't lead his team to winning. Period.

So I guess, to you, going by that logic, Dan Marino sucks and Trent Dilfer was a great QB. :hammerhead:

Jordan never won a title without Pippen. Kobe never won a title without a top 3 big man. Duncan never won a title without a future HOFer alongside him.

Do you see where I'm going with this.....

[DeathOfAutotune]

Stats hog on a bad team.


There's a lot of PF better than him.

Dirk's better. Gasol is better. Lebron's better. Durant's better. Alridge and Big Al both score and rebound just as good and play better defense, they just don't shoot the 3 or play as many minutes or take as many shots.


The dude is a legend for doing nothing. It's stupid.



Bottom line: he doesn't lead his team to winning. Period.

Durant is a better pf than Kevin Love? ok Im done.

[The_LA_Blakers]

Durant is a better pf than Kevin Love? ok Im done.


Don't act like he don't play the 4 sometimes.


But I'm glad you're done. :biggums:

[The_LA_Blakers]

So I guess, to you, going by that logic, Dan Marino sucks and Trent Dilfer was a great QB.

Jordan never won a title without Pippen. Kobe never won a title without a top 3 big man. Duncan never won a title without a future HOFer alongside him.

Do you see where I'm going with this.....


I didn't even say win a title, I said win.


The Wolves suck, bad! They cant even get over .500! The only time they have been close is when Pek actually plays, and Rubio was there. Without those 2, it was basically the team they had last year. What, they won 20 games?


Edit:


My bad. 17 games! :hammerhead:


Lebron took a team worse than what Love has this year when he was 19 years old and they atleast had a winning record. I mean, that team had NO ONE! Ira Newble and big Z lol!!!!!

[The_LA_Blakers]

So if Kevin Wove can't do what WeBwon did, he's ovewwated? Makes sense


Nope, but y'all wanna talk about him like he's 'Bron, when he aint even close.


Dude hustles and can shoot. Big deal. He's 6'8 and is on a team of scrubs. He ain't nothing special. Someone else is goin have to carry that team to the playoffs cause Love surely can't do it.

[DeathOfAutotune]

Don't act like he don't play the 4 sometimes.


But I'm glad you're done. :biggums:

Oh I didn't realize Durant avg 13.8 boards a game. You're right Durant is clearly the better rebounder/defender out of the two.

Moron.

[The_LA_Blakers]

Oh I didn't realize Durant avg 13.8 boards a game. You're right Durant is clearly the better rebounder/defender out of the two.

Moron.



Lol, i'm a moron but you're saying rebounds are what makes a good PF? Is that what it is? Don't have nothing else to do with any other stats?

Durant is better at:

FG%
FT%
Points
Assists
Blocks
Steals

Plays less minutes, and shoots the same 3pt%.



Lulz, just shut up.

[atljonesbro]

Lol, i'm a moron but you're saying rebounds are what makes a good PF? Is that what it is? Don't have nothing else to do with any other stats?

Durant is better at:

FG%
FT%
Points
Assists
Blocks
Steals

Plays less minutes, and shoots the same 3pt%.



Lulz, just shut up.
Clippers/Griffin fan with an agenda, aka opinion not to be taken seriously. Move along

[The_LA_Blakers]

Clippers/Griffin fan with an agenda, aka opinion not to be taken seriously. Move along


And you like the Hawks. The most irrelevant playoff teams in the history of the NBA. :roll: :roll:

[atljonesbro]

And you like the Hawks. The most irrelevant playoff teams in the history of the NBA. :roll: :roll:
And you like the Clippers. The most irrelevant team in the history of the NBA. :roll: :roll:

[The_LA_Blakers]

And you like the Clippers. The most irrelevant team in the history of the NBA. :roll: :roll:


That's all you got? I do recall us waxing y'all by 14 couple weeks ago. Must suck getting beat down by the most irrelevant team in the history of the NBA. :coleman:

[Droid101]

Love is the best Power Forward in the league today, yeah.

I mean, some players can "play" power forward that are probably better than him, like LeBron and Durant. But everyone at their natural position, Love is who you take at PF.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Love is the best Power Forward in the league today, yeah.

I mean, some players can "play" power forward that are probably better than him, like LeBron and Durant. But everyone at their natural position, Love is who you take at PF.


This. I swear half the conversations on ISH wouldn't take place if it wasn't for the trolls.

Dude just dropped 50 & 14 on the best team in the leauge, and followed that up next game with 30 & 21.

26 & 14 a game and this guy is overratted? Haha please.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Stats hog on a bad team.


There's a lot of PF better than him.

Dirk's better. Gasol is better. Lebron's better. Durant's better. Alridge and Big Al both score and rebound just as good and play better defense, they just don't shoot the 3 or play as many minutes or take as many shots.


The dude is a legend for doing nothing. It's stupid.



Bottom line: he doesn't lead his team to winning. Period.



Replace griffin with Love and the Clippers are a top 3 team in the west..

[DKLaker]

Dude, have you seen his starting line up? :facepalm

he is the best PF in the league

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JellyBean]

Nope. K-Love is not the most overrated player.The guy is putting in Moses Malone type work. I am not going to list his stats, well know what they are. But he is not overrated.