Why Does Women's Basketball Still Exist?

[brahmabull117]

I don't understand it. From a business perspective, it's been an absolute disaster



Why do intelligent business people continue to pour money into something that has clearly no audience that cares?

[SpecialQue]

What a sad, pathetic child you are.

[305Baller]

I don't understand it. From a business perspective, it's been an absolute disaster



Why do intelligent business people continue to pour money into something that has clearly no audience that cares?

I disagree completely, plus, I like watching.

[StroShow4]

Women never should've been allowed to play basketball. Just kidding. Kind of.

[brahmabull117]

What a sad, pathetic child you are.


What did I say that's so bad? Look up the profits of the WNBA, it's been a financial disaster since it started




Not to mention women's basketball is incredibly incredibly boring. It's like watching high school kids play in slow motion

[stallionaire]

I gladly pay money to go see a Minnesota Lynx game. Speak for yourself.

~*~*~*REIGNING CHAMPS ~*~*~*~*

[brahmabull117]

I gladly pay money to go see a Minnesota Lynx game. Speak for yourself.

~*~*~*REIGNING CHAMPS ~*~*~*~*

From an article I read


But most WNBA teams — even the Lynx — still have trouble attracting fans like Sylte. Ticket giveaways are common, and average league attendance this year was below 8,000. Still, there are a few positive signs. The WNBA is reporting its best TV ratings in six years, and it just signed a reported eight-figure sponsorship deal with Boost Mobile. The cellphone carrier's logo appears on most WNBA uniforms — something rare outside NASCAR.

Lynx Chief Operating Officer Conrad Smith says this shows the league may be turning a corner. And while the team doesn't make its finances public, he says the Lynx could turn a profit this year for the first time in nearly a decade.

"The first couple of years we were profitable, but then we got away from it," Smith says. "But this year — and obviously the playoffs and how that all shakes out — we'll know at the very end how we did, which is great news for the league and our ownership group."

But if it takes a trip to the finals to turn a profit, how has the league survived for 15 seasons? The reason, says Smith College economist Andrew Zimbalist, is that NBA franchises continue to subsidize their co-owned women's teams. And that's something that may not last.




How is a business allowed to continue to exist when it hasn't made a profit in a decade? the XFL didn't make a profit for a year or so and was instantly disbanded. WTF?

[SpecialQue]

If we're having a serious discussion on this, here's what I've noticed from the Sparks games I've seen.

The game's slower.
There aren't any flashy plays. Practically ZERO dunks.
No players so far have succeeded in forcing people to pay attention to them. There aren't any outspoken media figures in the WNBA such as Barkley, Jordan, etc.
Zero production values in televised games. Nothing in a TV broadcast makes a WNBA game seem like anything bigger than a random college match.
Promotion on the part of the NBA is slight, even though they'll throw out the random ad and show some games during the WNBA season.

[brahmabull117]

The game's slower.
There aren't any flashy plays. Practically ZERO dunks.
No players so far have succeeded in forcing people to pay attention to them. There aren't any outspoken media figures in the WNBA such as Barkley, Jordan, etc.


I don't understand, are you trying to convince me to not watch the games? Because there are all reasons that the WNBA is extremely boring

[StroShow4]

Practically ZERO dunks.

Word? I figured they were probably throwing down all the time.

[Bladers]

WNBA > College Basketball

Yes, I rather watch women basketball than watch a bunch of losers chuck 3's all game long.

[IGOTGAME]

as soon as a good looking chick starts dunking and people there may be a small following. That may take another 20 years but I think it could happen.

[rodman91]

Probably that's why Dennis Rodman wants to make topless basketball league with hot chicks. :bowdown:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bJM7sBVaKq8/TvIEcjYWzLI/AAAAAAAAE8k/HlaCKO86C7M/s1600/topless%2Bbasketball%2Bleague.jpg

[stallionaire]

as soon as a good looking chick starts dunking and people there may be a small following. That may take another 20 years but I think it could happen.

http://www.wnba.com/media/act_lindsay_whalen.jpg
http://shamasportsheadliners.com/images/Lindsay%20Whalen_Headshot.jpg

Puke.

[StroShow4]

as soon as a good looking chick starts dunking and people there may be a small following. That may take another 20 years but I think it could happen.

Candace Parker? :confusedshrug:

[mookie gaylock]

why are these threads even allowed here

[brahmabull117]

WNBA > College Basketball

Yes, I rather watch women basketball than watch a bunch of losers chuck 3's all game long.


You would rather watch WNBA than say Kentucky vs Kansas national championship?

[stephanieg]

For the same reason for the "NBA cares" push: good PR.

[dude77]

I say let them have their basketball leagues .. but man .. women's bball really does suck .. badly .. to me it's a male sport .. it'd be like trying to watch women play football for me personally .. then again .. that all depends on what type of uniforms they wear .. I'll reserve judgement :oldlol: .. but as I said .. let them enjoy their thing

[Lebron23]

Cause I want to see a sexy Lauren Jackson.

[LABean]

It exists so bitches like you can play.

[dude77]

Cause I want to see a sexy Lauren Jackson.

forgot about her .. she is easy on the eyes

[brahmabull117]

For the same reason for the "NBA cares" push: good PR.

But isn't the amount of money they're losing worse than the good PR?

[dude77]

It exists so bitches like you can play.
:oldlol:

[christian1923]

I just dont think it should be on TV.. idc if they play

[brahmabull117]

Cause I want to see a sexy Lauren Jackson.


:facepalm


You realize they have something called porn, where you can watch unbelievably beautiful women of all kinds doing anything your heart desires??



Why would I watch a boring ass sport for 1 attractive woman who doesn't even look sexy in that ugly basketball uniform?

[mookie gaylock]

Women's basketball exist because there are women who enjoy playing basketball.

Does that make sense to you troglodytes?

[brahmabull117]

Women's basketball exist because there are women who enjoy playing basketball.

Does that make sense to you troglodytes?


You're not understanding the point of this thread


Why is Stern eating all these losses on the WNBA (which has been a financial disaster) instead of just shutting down the league?


Sports are a business and I'm baffled why Stern continues to be okay with losing a bunch of money because he wants to be politically correct

[SleepyCorpse]

i wonder how much of the failure of the WNBA is responsible for the lockout.

[Mr Know It All]

It's an inferior product in every way. The athletes are bad, the basketball is bad, there's simply no reason for a casual fan (or someone who wants to watch good basketball) to tune in. Sorry folks.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Women's basketball is a washed up version of real basketball. Ever flipped on ESPN, and a women's game is on? Oh, it's God Awful. I simply don't care and don't watch. If you don't like something, the best thing to do is to ignore it.

Until they change up some rules, women's basketball is never going to fare well. For example, could make a requirement. a women should have to be at least a 6 on a scale of 10 or something like that, and women have to play in bikinis.

[bingo123]

Considering that max salary in WNBA is 101k and salary cap around 800k I would like to know how much money they are losing. Do you have any links with financial reports (cant find anything)?

[stephanieg]

But isn't the amount of money they're losing worse than the good PR?

Dunno. Pretty sure it's peanuts compared to overall NBA revenue. Even if it's just Stern's pet project and makes no business sense it wouldn't matter much since the NBA is a monopoly.

[brahmabull117]

Considering that max salary in WNBA is 101k and salary cap around 800k I would like to know how much money they are losing. Do you have any links with financial reports (cant find anything)?


Pretty much every report about WNBA I've ever seen says the league is losing money and the NBA subsidizes it's losses


But hell, isn't the fact that the max salary is 101 k enough proof that the league shouldn't exist?

[the_future02]

WNBA is receiving their welfare payments from Stern. As someone else ask how much did this affect the Lockout situtation? And anyone who would rather watch WNBA over UNC or Kentucky looses all credibility.

[brahmabull117]

Dunno. Pretty sure it's peanuts compared to overall NBA revenue. Even if it's just Stern's pet project and makes no business sense it wouldn't matter much since the NBA is a monopoly.


So it basically just exists because Stern wants to be a politically correct idiot?

[linZoMourning]

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[jbryan1984]

I have said this before too. The league loses money on it. D-League games probably generate more revenue. The majority of basketball fans are male, they don't want to see ugly, sweaty women. I've been talking about topless basketball forever. I know the NBA would have nothing to do with it but that is the truth, sex sells and it would make more money than the WNBA. Why do you think there is a Lingerie Football League and not a "serious" woman's football league?

[bingo123]

Pretty much every report about WNBA I've ever seen says the league is losing money and the NBA subsidizes it's losses


But hell, isn't the fact that the max salary is 101 k enough proof that the league shouldn't exist?

Show me the numbers. Why? If total losses are in thousands its one thing, if we are talking about millions its a different story.

[brahmabull117]

Show me the numbers.

I'm not sure if the numbers are available or not, but I've seen team reports about this stuff where the owners themselves talk about the league losing money. It's pretty much widely accepted that the WNBA is a financial mistake



Why? If total losses are in thousands its one thing, if we are talking about millions its a different story.


If it loses anything at all, then why the hell would it exist? The point of business is to make significant amounts of money right?

[mookie gaylock]

You're not understanding the point of this thread


Why is Stern eating all these losses on the WNBA (which has been a financial disaster) instead of just shutting down the league?


Sports are a business and I'm baffled why Stern continues to be okay with losing a bunch of money because he wants to be politically correct

Not everything in the world is done for profit.

The WNBA carries with it a certain social and cultural capital, if not economic capital, that the NBA invests in as a response to traditionally held discriminations. As someone pointed out, if it helps you can think of it as along the lines of an "NBA Cares" push. This distinguishes the NBA from other major sports businesses as the NBA has pushed for diversity and inclusiveness far more than any other sports leagues. It sends a great message to women who want to play at a professional level that the NBA is willing to pay for it. That has nothing to do with "political correctness," it's just common decency and there are plenty of corporations and companies out there that spend money on things that don't make them any profit, things like scholarships, environmental charity, cancer research, housing for the poor, etc. It's called "social responsibility."

Just admit you made this thread as yet another excuse for this board to continue taking cheap shots at women and shitting on them.

[Sarcastic]

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[LamarOdom]

WNBA > College Basketball

Yes, I rather watch women basketball than watch a bunch of losers chuck 3's all game long.

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[brahmabull117]

Not everything in the world is done for profit.

The WNBA carries with it a certain social and cultural capital, if not economic capital, that the NBA invests in as a response to traditionally held discriminations. As someone pointed out, if it helps you can think of it as along the lines of an "NBA Cares" push. This distinguishes the NBA from other major sports businesses as the NBA has pushed for diversity and inclusiveness far more than any other sports leagues. It sends a great message to women who want to play at a professional level that the NBA is willing to pay for it. That has nothing to do with "political correctness," it's just common decency and there are plenty of corporations and companies out there that spend money on things that don't make them any profit, things like scholarships, environmental charity, cancer research, housing for the poor, etc. It's called "social responsibility."


so you're okay with basically calling women's basketball a welfare program? Because that's exactly what you just did



Just admit you made this thread as yet another excuse for this board to continue taking cheap shots at women and shitting on them.


It's my fault that women's basketball has the aesthetic beauty of a 5 year old's finger paintings?

[SpecialQue]

Not everything in the world is done for profit.

The WNBA carries with it a certain social and cultural capital, if not economic capital, that the NBA invests in as a response to traditionally held discriminations. As someone pointed out, if it helps you can think of it as along the lines of an "NBA Cares" push. This distinguishes the NBA from other major sports businesses as the NBA has pushed for diversity and inclusiveness far more than any other sports leagues. It sends a great message to women who want to play at a professional level that the NBA is willing to pay for it. That has nothing to do with "political correctness," it's just common decency and there are plenty of corporations and companies out there that spend money on things that don't make them any profit, things like scholarships, environmental charity, cancer research, housing for the poor, etc. It's called "social responsibility."

Just admit you made this thread as yet another excuse for this board to continue taking cheap shots at women and shitting on them.

Basically, this. Everytime a WNBA discussion pops up here it's mainly immature boys, probably either with mommy issues or who have difficulties with women, spouting off with misogynistic bullshit. I'll admit that the games I've seen haven't been as exciting as regular NBA games, but the idea that it could NEVER be as exciting is absurd.

[mookie gaylock]

I have said this before too. The league loses money on it. D-League games probably generate more revenue. The majority of basketball fans are male, they don't want to see ugly, sweaty women. I've been talking about topless basketball forever. I know the NBA would have nothing to do with it but that is the truth, sex sells and it would make more money than the WNBA. Why do you think there is a Lingerie Football League and not a "serious" woman's football league?

60% of NBA fans are male, 40% are female, according to research. This is not an overwhelming majority. And your thinking is completely backward: the NBA is actually stupid for not capitalizing on women as an untapped market. There would actually be more female fans if the NBA's sponsorship wasn't aggressively anti-woman (scantily clad cheerleaders, heavy ad rotation of girls selling beer). You're shortselling male fans too if you think making car or beer commercials more gender neutral (The blake griffin KIA ads, for example are great).

I'm not gonna comment on the rest of your post, as it is typical hateful misogynist shit.

[brahmabull117]

60% of NBA fans are male, 40% are female, according to research. This is not an overwhelming majority. And your thinking is completely backward: the NBA is actually stupid for not capitalizing on women as an untapped market. There would actually be more female fans if the NBA's sponsorship wasn't aggressively anti-woman (scantily clad cheerleaders, heavy ad rotation of girls selling beer). You're shortselling male fans too if you think making car or beer commercials more gender neutral (The blake griffin KIA ads, for example are great).

I'm not gonna comment on the rest of your post, as it is typical hateful misogynist shit.


Why is marketing with pretty girls selling beer "anti women"??


What in the world? Are advertisements with extremely good looking men selling something to women "anti men"?

[LoneyROY7]

What a bunch of misogynistic tools some of you are.

Put them on a good-looks scale? Make them play in bikinis? Are you f***ing kidding me?

Could you be any more degrading and sexist?

If you don't want to watch...guess what? YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

[ChrisPosh]

so you're okay with basically calling women's basketball a welfare program? Because that's exactly what you just did

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[mookie gaylock]

so you're okay with basically calling women's basketball a welfare program? Because that's exactly what you just did

It's a corrective response to historical discrimination. I'm not even sure you know what 'welfare' or 'political correctness' means, but it's becoming clear I'm arguing with a libertarian MBA type here and there's probably no reason to engage you on anything.


It's my fault that women's basketball has the aesthetic beauty of a 5 year old's finger paintings?

Called it. Like I said you didn't make this thread out of curiosity about the NBA's financial dealings, you wanted to take cheap shots and here we are.

[brahmabull117]

Basically, this. Everytime a WNBA discussion pops up here it's mainly immature boys, probably either with mommy issues or who have difficulties with women, spouting off with misogynistic bullshit. I'll admit that the games I've seen haven't been as exciting as regular NBA games, but the idea that it could NEVER be as exciting is absurd.


More Politically correct nonsense from people who don't want to face the truth


Women's basketball is hideous from an aesthetic standpoint and it lacks even a fraction of the excitement of the men's game. I'm not a guy who has a problem with women playing sports - I think women's tennis can be very exciting to watch for example...but women's basketball is far and away the least exciting sport that I've personally ever watched

[InfiniteBaskets]

Women's basketball is a washed up version of real basketball. Ever flipped on ESPN, and a women's game is on? Oh, it's God Awful. I simply don't care and don't watch. If you don't like something, the best thing to do is to ignore it.

Until they change up some rules, women's basketball is never going to fare well. For example, could make a requirement. a women should have to be at least a 6 on a scale of 10 or something like that, and women have to play in bikinis.

But then would that be a sport or a business? Are we really going to care about who averages the most points per game in the WNBA if all the players are models and none over 6'5? The annual MVP would clearly not be the best female basketball player world wide. If you're not watching the sport for a competitive discussion, then you might as well go to a runway show.

The WNBA or some version of professional female basketball will never stop existing unless we see women's international play stopped and women's bball cut out of the Olympics. College female bball players have to end up going somewhere.

We've seen it with soccer, where the Women's United Soccer Association ended due to financial reasons back in early 2000s, but then reformed again as Women's Professional Soccer League. And this is freakin' soccer we're talking about. In a country where nobody watches MLS. Sorry folks, but professional women are going to continue playing basketball. The reality is is that maybe one day they'll stop broadcasting games altogether, but that remains to be seen.

[brahmabull117]

It's a corrective response to historical discrimination.



No, it's a welfare program. It's the same thing as people who can't earn money on their own being supported by the government



if a sport can't attract enough of an audience to at least break even for such a large period of time, it shouldn't exist...period

[mookie gaylock]

Why is marketing with pretty girls selling beer "anti women"??

It commodifies women's bodies and reinforces the idea that women are first and foremost valued for their attractiveness than anything else.



What in the world? Are advertisements with extremely good looking men selling something to women "anti men"?

There is rarely ever such marketing like that. And objectifying men does not even remotely have the same impact, as men's worth in society does not put an emphasis on looks as it does on other factors (success, character, skill, talent, etc)

[brahmabull117]

But then would that be a sport or a business? Are we really going to care about who averages the most points per game in the WNBA if all the players are models and none over 6'5? The annual MVP would clearly not be the best female basketball player world wide. If you're not watching the sport for a competitive discussion, then you might as well go to a runway show.


I'm not in this boat myself. I have zero interest in seeing pseudo sports with models dressed in skimpy bikinis. I watch sports to see skill, to see competition and most importantly to see electrifying moments



If I want to watch beautiful women, I'll watch porn

[bingo123]

I'm not sure if the numbers are available or not, but I've seen team reports about this stuff where the owners themselves talk about the league losing money. It's pretty much widely accepted that the WNBA is a financial mistake

NBA is losing money. Is NBA financial mistake? And please dont say that NBA is losing money because of WNBA. Why even have 30 teams when half of them are losing millins of dollars? Make it a 8 team league and they will bring you big profits.




If it loses anything at all, then why the hell would it exist? The point of business is to make significant amounts of money right?

Not every business is all about making significant amounts of money.

EDIT: I dont give a fvck about WNBA but its the right thing it exists.

[ChrisPosh]

I love how there's so many white knights in this thread... there are like no women here lawllllllll

Anyway, calling all the guys here (who are just expressing their opinion) sexist, is like calling me anti-children for saying "i don't want to watch 3 year olds play basketball". It doesn't make me the Hitler of children, i just don't want to watch f*cken inferior basketball.

[LoneyROY7]

I'm not in this boat myself. I have zero interest in seeing pseudo sports with models dressed in skimpy bikinis. I watch sports to see skill, to see competition and most importantly to see electrifying moments



If I want to watch beautiful women, I'll watch porn

Really? Your definition of a beautiful woman lies in pornography?

That just highlights another underlying issue you seem to have.

[mookie gaylock]

I'm not a guy who has a problem with women playing sports

Yes you are, as anyone who has read a single post by you in this thread would see.

You're making yourself out to be an idiot here. I'm done with you, bruh.

[brahmabull117]

It commodifies women's bodies and reinforces the idea that women are first and foremost valued for their attractiveness than anything else.


There is rarely ever such marketing like that. And objectifying men does not even remotely have the same impact, as men's worth in society does not put an emphasis on looks as it does on other factors (success, character, skill, talent, etc)



Every teen movie I see nowadays features buff and good looking young men being marketed to appeal to women. Are these advertisements "anti men"?


Come on now. There is nothing misogynistic about beer commercials - it's just trying to advertise their product in a way that appeals to men (which is sex)


You're trying to make it sound like it's the equivalent of those awful mainstream porn videos where women are choked and slapped and treated like worthless ****holes. Come on now

[brahmabull117]

Yes you are, as anyone who has read a single post by you in this thread would see.


:facepalm


I have a problem with women's basketball because it's aesthetically hideous


I don't want to watch middle school kids play basketball either for the same reasons. Does that mean I hate my nephews and nieces??

[brahmabull117]

Really? Your definition of a beautiful woman lies in pornography?
.


the point was that If I want to watch beautiful woman for the purposes of arousal, I'll watch porn instead of some silly pseudo sport with models dressed in skimpy clothes



And there are no beautiful women in porn? Lol wut?



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[brahmabull117]

Anyway, calling all the guys here (who are just expressing their opinion) sexist, is like calling me anti-children for saying "i don't want to watch 3 year olds play basketball". It doesn't make me the Hitler of children, i just don't want to watch f*cken inferior basketball.



Exactly this. Women's basketball is one of the most painful things to watch I've ever seen



The only reason it exists is because it's a welfare program by Stern

[Batz]

WNBA > College Basketball

Yes, I rather watch women basketball than watch a bunch of losers chuck 3's all game long.
Your girl in the room when you typed this up?


and srsly;

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188536

[IamRAMBO24]

:oldlol: at the guy who is calling us sexist for hating on women's basketball.

Just like Korean drama, it sucks period; this doesn't mean I hate Koreans, it just means I don't want to watch a bunch of men cry.

One of the reasons why I don't watch women's basketball is because the women are ugly as f*ck. What's sad is some men in the NBA look better than the girls in the WNBA. No homo. That's how ugly they are. I seriously have not seen a group of MORE ugly women; at least in other sports, you'll spot at least 1 or 2 decent looking chick.

For example:

http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/allisonstokke.jpg
http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/christinearron.jpg
http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/haleycope.jpg

[brahmabull117]

:oldlol: at the guy who is calling us sexist for hating on women's basketball.

Just like Korean drama, it sucks period; this doesn't mean I hate Koreans, it just means I don't want to watch a bunch of men cry.

One of the reasons why I don't watch women's basketball is because the women are ugly as f*ck. What's sad is some men in the NBA look better than the girls in the WNBA. No homo. That's how ugly they are. I seriously have not seen a group of MORE ugly women; at least in other sports, you'll spot at least 1 or 2 decent looking chick.



You guys aren't helping our argument with your constant insistence about attractiveness of female ballers



The problem is the sport is hideous from an aesthetic perspective, I'll watch female tennis once in a while with the likes of Serena and Venus williams...who I personally think are ugly as sin

[IamRAMBO24]

You guys aren't helping our argument with your constant insistence about attractiveness of female ballers



The problem is the sport is hideous from an aesthetic perspective, I'll watch female tennis once in a while with the likes of Serena and Venus williams...who I personally think are ugly as sin

Stop being so sensitive about sounding like a real man.

You watch Serena and Venus because they are good. Women's basketball just sucks a*s. I mean real talk. That's not sexist. I mean it's pretty bad when I'm thinking to myself, "I can probably beat these girls in a game of one on one." Dude I smoke and I can't even run a mile, but I actually think that when I watch the WNBA.

If they suck that bad then they need something else to get everybody's attention. If there are no good looking chicks, then where is the draw? A good looking athlete is one of the biggest draws in any sport.

Check out Allison Stokke. I don't even like pole vault, but I'm willing to watch it to see the way she grips that pole in a sexual professional manner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ysXMUxBML4g#!

[dunksby]

Are we talking WNBA or Women's Basketball? Criticizing the former for being boring and not financially viable is reasonable while asking for the abolition of the latter is purely sexist.

[brahmabull117]

Stop being so sensitive about sounding like a real man.

You watch Serena and Venus because they are good. Women's basketball just sucks a*s. I mean real talk. That's not sexist. I mean it's pretty bad when I'm thinking to myself, "I can probably beat these girls in a game of one on one." Dude I smoke and I can't even run a mile, but I actually think that when I watch the WNBA.

You're preaching to the choir dude, have you not read my posts in this thread?


My point is that complaining about their looks makes the whole argument look like misogynistic bullsht and makes us (those of us who think WNBA should not exist anymore) lose credibility



If they suck that bad


...then the sport shouldn't exist


Thing is that the market has clearly indicated that the sport shouldn't exist. I could tolerate it if the WNBA turned some sort of a profit but it hasn't and it never will. It's just another form of bullsht welfare and political correctness in our society

[T.O.RapsJays]

:facepalm


You realize they have something called porn, where you can watch unbelievably beautiful women of all kinds doing anything your heart desires??



Why would I watch a boring ass sport for 1 attractive woman who doesn't even look sexy in that ugly basketball uniform?
:facepalm You say it like they are playing golf instead of basketball (no offense to those that like golf).

Women shouldn't be allowed to play a sport proffesionally? Is this what you're getting at? Let them do whatever they want.

[T.O.RapsJays]

You're preaching to the choir dude, have you not read my posts in this thread?


My point is that complaining about their looks makes the whole argument look like misogynistic bullsht and makes us (those of us who think WNBA should not exist anymore) lose credibility





...then the sport shouldn't exist


Thing is that the market has clearly indicated that the sport shouldn't exist. I could tolerate it if the WNBA turned some sort of a profit but it hasn't and it never will. It's just another form of bullsht welfare and political correctness in our society
You realize that "the sport" you're referring to is basketball right? A league isn't a sport. :facepalm

[brahmabull117]

:facepalm You say it like they are playing golf instead of basketball (no offense to those that like golf).

Golf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women's BB



Women shouldn't be allowed to play a sport proffesionally? Is this what you're getting at? Let them do whatever they want.


No the league should be abolished if it is has failed to generate a profit for such a long period of time


more welfare and bullsht political correctness, 2 things that I really hate

[IamRAMBO24]

You're preaching to the choir dude, have you not read my posts in this thread?


My point is that complaining about their looks makes the whole argument look like misogynistic bullsht and makes us (those of us who think WNBA should not exist anymore) lose credibility



My point exactly. Why are you so concern about misogynistic bullsh*t? Only a girl should complain about that. We're men. Be proud of who you are.

[brahmabull117]

My point exactly. Why are you so concern about misogynistic bullsh*t? Only a girl should complain about that. We're men. Be proud of who you are.


Misogyny isn't something to be proud of. It just makes you look like an idiot to outside perspectives


For the record, I agree with you as long as we're talking about females who are actually good athletes. I'm not going to watch mediocre athletes just because they are hot...I would much rather watch porn where the girls are even hotter and are taking a pounding/having at it with each other

[knickswin]

I don't think the women's game is that bad. some of those women in the WNBA have serious game. you just have to take it for what it is.

I do think they could do a better job at taking advantage of their weaknesses. I love women's tennis, not because there are pretty girls in skirts, but because by slowing down the game you can a different element to it. make it more fundamental. these female basketball players can shoot and dribble, and some of them have very nice isolation/post-up games. the wnba could be better, I think, if they emphasized smart, fundamental basketball. they kind of try to do that now, but they could do a better job of it.

[brahmabull117]

I don't think the women's game is that bad. some of those women in the WNBA have serious game. you just have to take it for what it is.

I do think they could do a better job at taking advantage of their weaknesses. I love women's tennis, not because there are pretty girls in skirts, but because by slowing down the game you can a different element to it. make it more fundamental. these female basketball players can shoot and dribble, and some of them have very nice isolation/post-up games. the wnba could be better, I think, if they emphasized smart, fundamental basketball. they kind of try to do that now, but they could do a better job of it.


Fundamental basketball my ass



Just because they play like a slow mo version of high school boys doesn't mean they're playing fundamental basketball

[knickswin]

Fundamental basketball my ass



Just because they play like a slow mo version of high school boys doesn't mean they're playing fundamental basketball


well, they are. but I agree they could do a better job of it. they have the skills to do so. at least at the WNBA level. not sure about college ball.

[Nick Young]

I feel like I could get a sex change and then just walk on to any of these shitty WNBA teams. And at 6'2 I could probably play the 3 or 4.

The way they clank wideopen brick after brick, throw passes to nobody and have shitty handles and can hardly even touch the rim leads me to believe not only would I succeed but I would be dominant.

And I suck.

Me and my stoner friend played against 2 girls with full athletic scholarships to UCLA basketball and we dominated them. Yes they can stroke open jumpers all day, but couldnt even get their shot off against us-below average athletic dudes. Honestly I felt bad.

This isnt a post to say how great I am at basketball, I suck. My story just serves to show that if even two random joe moron scrubs who never even played highschool ball can dominate 2 varsity players at UCLA, the pro leagues must really suck.

I feel like an average highschool boys team could beat any WNBA team in a blowout without even trying.

I feel bad for women atheletes, they train so hard but still they suck.

I dont understand, I know theres an athleticism disadvantage, that's not their fault, but skill wise there's no reason they can't be equal to men, still I see all these woman "shooters" clanking wideopen 18 footers, 6'4 "big men" who move like George Muresan and have 3 shitty moves, and 5'7 PGs missing layup after layup, it's hard to watch.

[rodman91]

Don't let feminism gets you. WNBA sucks. It's like watching buch of less athletic Chris Bosh for 40 minutes.

[Knicks101]

Yeah, it's boring to watch and I would never watch a WNBA game unless I was being paid to do so and paid well, but why does its existence bother people? You don't have to watch it, who gives a shit? I don't lose any sleep over some millionaire losing money he wasted on a WNBA team.

[NumberSix]

It still exists because women still play basketball.

Is obvious not obvious?

[ClutchOver9000]

Yeah, it's boring to watch and I would never watch a WNBA game unless I was being paid to do so and paid well, but why does its existence bother people? You don't have to watch it, who gives a shit? I don't lose any sleep over some millionaire losing money he wasted on a WNBA team.

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it sucks but youre not forced to watch it...so why all the bitching n complaining?

Maybe I'm different from some folk, because when something sucks to me, I just dont bother w/ it. But perhaps I'm weird like that...

[Whoah10115]

My point exactly. Why are you so concern about misogynistic bullsh*t? Only a girl should complain about that. We're men. Be proud of who you are.



I very highly doubt that you're a man. You sound more like a guy who's proud of his manhood on the internet.




AKA, grow up.

[I<3NBA]

women's basketball still exist because daddy's girl wants to play basketball. in this case, daddy may be an executive, a basketball coach, a basketball player, etc. whatever. it exists because women want to play. now if you're complaining it should just close shop because it is losing money, then let us all just head home right now because just a summer ago, almost every owner in the NBA was losing BIG MONEY. and i haven't heard any one of those teams turning a corner around and making a profit. but yeah, they still exist too. you wanna close down WNBA for losing money? don't be discriminatory and close down the NBA too. we just came from a lockout that i don't think highlights the NBA earning gazillions. so what really prompted this thread? because if you're concerned about profitability, you should be hunkering down on the NBA too.

also, any sport can be made exciting to watch. just bet big money on it and you'll have yourself on the edge of your seats shouting yourself hoarse. it's boring to you because you hate ugly women. that is all. don't use lack of skills as an excuse. FYI, players in the WNBA are better shooters than some players in the NBA. and they pass really well. none of that isolation bullshit. watching WNBA is watching how real team basketball should be played. ofc they'll be less athletic and be unable to dunk. but if you're open minded enough to see, and not expect women's basketball to be a parade of models, you'll actually like watching it. find a team to root for and watch how your interest goes up. you need something riding on the line for games to matter.

[b1imtf]

Rich people sport. Not everyone has a kitchen big enough to play ball in it

[TheMan]

the point was that If I want to watch beautiful woman for the purposes of arousal, I'll watch porn instead of some silly pseudo sport with models dressed in skimpy clothes



And there are no beautiful women in porn? Lol wut?



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Names?




The OP is correct, women's basketball is horribly boring but if people want to watch, who am I to say no?

[just_NONchalant]

Because its politically correct.

[SwooshReturns]

I'm not going to lie, I like the WNBA. There are some nice players. Do they play above the rim? No, but that's not all I appreciate out of basketball.

Plus, I have a crush on Sarah Bird.

[Whoah10115]

I'm not going to lie, I like the WNBA. There are some nice players. Do they play above the rim? No, but that's not all I appreciate out of basketball.

Plus, I have a crush on Sarah Bird.



You mean Sue Bird?

[Owl]

I'm not sure if the numbers are available or not, but I've seen team reports about this stuff where the owners themselves talk about the league losing money. It's pretty much widely accepted that the WNBA is a financial mistake



If it loses anything at all, then why the hell would it exist? The point of business is to make significant amounts of money right?

Dunno. Pretty sure it's peanuts compared to overall NBA revenue. Even if it's just Stern's pet project and makes no business sense it wouldn't matter much since the NBA is a monopoly.

Pretty much every report about WNBA I've ever seen says the league is losing money and the NBA subsidizes it's losses


But hell, isn't the fact that the max salary is 101 k enough proof that the league shouldn't exist?

You're not understanding the point of this thread


Why is Stern eating all these losses on the WNBA (which has been a financial disaster) instead of just shutting down the league?


Sports are a business and I'm baffled why Stern continues to be okay with losing a bunch of money because he wants to be politically correct
Reasons why it goes on
Because it doesn't lose much money because as you point out the wages are capped at a low level. I would also argue a lot of the costs are sunk costs anyway teams tend to own arenas, floors, rims, PR people etc so really I imagine most costs would be incurred anyway with an empty arena.
Because if you payed attention to coverage during the lockout a lot of owners don't mind paper losses especially when they can write write them off via your tax system.
Because of good PR
Because other pro womens leagues were operating (presumably at a profit because they stayed alive) when the WNBA first started.

TBH I wonder why you would care about what someone else does with their money in a manner that doesn't affect you or things that you care about at all.

And by titleing your thread "Why Does Women's Basketball Still Exist?" rather than "Why does the WNBA still exist?" or some varient on this, you have either done yourself a disservice or unveiled your true misogony, depending how people choose to interpret your postings.

[Whoah10115]

Reasons why it goes on
Because it doesn't lose much money because as you point out the wages are capped at a low level. I would also argue a lot of the costs are sunk costs anyway teams tend to own arenas, floors, rims, PR people etc so really I imagine most costs would be incurred anyway with an empty arena.
Because if you payed attention to coverage during the lockout a lot of owners don't mind paper losses especially when they can write write them off via your tax system.
Because of good PR
Because other pro womens leagues were operating (presumably at a profit because they stayed alive) when the WNBA first started.

TBH I wonder why you would care about what someone else does with their money in a manner that doesn't affect you or things that you care about at all.

And by titleing your thread "Why Does Women's Basketball Still Exist?" rather than "Why does the WNBA still exist?" or some varient on this, you have either done yourself a disservice or unveiled your true misogony, depending how people choose to interpret your postings.





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[Psileas]

I can see the point of the ones who dislike women's basketball because it's way slower, way less exciting, etc (I hate political correctness myself), but I can't see the point of those who use these arguments and then claim that they have no problem watching women in other traditionally "male" sports, including track & field. So, what so these people imply? That female t&f athletes are not, in the same way, way inferior to the male ones? Why should I watch an athlete who long jumps 7 m or high jumps 2 mr or runs 100 m in 11 sec and 200 m in 23 sec, when I can watch an athlete who long jumps 8 m or high jumps 2.3 m or runs 100 m in less than 10 sec and 200 m in less than 20 sec and there are literally thousands of males who can outperform elite females?
Female volleyball players are way more beautiful than female basketball players. I hope people who can't stand female basketball for "sports' reasons" also can't stand female volleyball for the similar reasons.

[outbreak]

I don't have anything against women's basketball, personally it doesn't interest me enough to watch it but what i don't understand is why they keep trying to push the WNBA as if it were going to attract a large audience. They definitely need a women's league but from a business point of view they should scale it back if they lose money every season. All this talk of needing hot chicks is stupid though, this is a sport not porn.