Lebron fans unite

[IamRAMBO24]

Here we have what is possibly the greatest player to ever step on the court (ask Scottie Pippen :rockon: ) and haters are coming out in droves like a pack of ugly hyenas to destroy this man.

I'm not even gonna hate on Rose, Durant, and even Kobe; I think all of them are legit players.

What you loser stans don't realize is it doesn't make Lebron a horrible player just because you have your lip firmly wrapped around your star player. No he doesn't suck because of a few games and his outside shot still needs work.

What I do know is he can explode to the basket, run the fast break, block, steal, and pass better than just about anybody.

So yea, keep on hating on him over clutch minutes (which is bullsh*t since basketball is played 45 mins, not 1) and blast him for going the Heat, in the end, no matter how many childish excuses you try to come up with as to why he sucks (LOL heard one time some noob said he sucks because he looks like a d*ck), Lebron is still one of the most talented player to ever play the game.

And that is something that you can't argue.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Here we have what is possibly the greatest player to ever step on the court

stopped reading there

[BuGzBuNNy]

Here we have what is possibly the grea
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[IamRAMBO24]

stopped reading there

Scottie said it dumbsh*t and I quoted him.

[ClutchOver9000]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/71792eda.gif

[LoneyROY7]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/100/314/ve6r79.jpg

[BuGzBuNNy]

Scottie said it dumbsh*t and I quoted him.
:oldlol:

[WockaVodka]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/100/314/ve6r79.jpg
:lol

[IamRAMBO24]

"Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game," Pippen said Friday on "Mike & Mike In The Morning" on ESPN Radio. "But I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168

[Jotaro Durant]

"Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game," Pippen said Friday on "Mike & Mike In The Morning" on ESPN Radio. "But I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168
before the finals then u dont hear scottie saying s,hit bout it:oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

Here we have what is possibly the grea

http://danisdailydose.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/mj-laughing.gif

[BlackVVaves]

Here we have what is possibly the greatest player to ever step on the court (ask Scottie Pippen :rockon: ) and haters are coming out in droves like a pack of ugly hyenas to destroy this man.

I'm not even gonna hate on Rose, Durant, and even Kobe; I think all of them are legit players.

What you loser stans don't realize is it doesn't make Lebron a horrible player just because you have your lip firmly wrapped around your star player. No he doesn't suck because of a few games and his outside shot still needs work.

What I do know is he can explode to the basket, run the fast break, block, steal, and pass better than just about anybody.

So yea, keep on hating on him over clutch minutes (which is bullsh*t since basketball is played 45 mins, not 1) and blast him for going the Heat, in the end, no matter how many childish excuses you try to come up with as to why he sucks (LOL heard one time some noob said he sucks because he looks like a d*ck), Lebron is still one of the most talented player to ever play the game.

And that is something that you can't argue.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

no matter how many childish excuses you try to come up with as to why he sucks

http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/oprah_laughing_animated_gif.gif

[Flagrant 2]

Here we have what is possibly the greatest player to ever step on the court

:biggums:

[Tenchi Ryu]

So I basically stopped where everyone else did..

[IamRAMBO24]

So I basically stopped where everyone else did..

Good.

Did this thread say "Rose whores unite?"

Didn't think so. Now move along.

[coin24]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Bookmarks for the annual playoff or finals meltdown:oldlol:

[LBJMVP]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmd0z3d7FQ1qek6bjo1_r1_500.jpg

i like how the heat logo is added on lebron too :lol

[SunsCaptain]

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

Last playoff/final game each year.THE BIG GAMES...Elimination games

Kobe: .................LeBron:
2011: 7-18 39%........9-15 60%

2010: 6-24 25%........8-21 38%

2009: 10-23 44%........8-20 40%

2008: 7-22 32% ......14-29 48%

2007: 13-33 39%......10-30 33%

2006: 8-16 50%.........11-24 46%

2004: 7-21 33%

2003: 9-19 47%

2002: 7-16 44%

2001: 7-18 39%

2000: 8-27 30%

1999: 7-16 44%

1997: 4-14 29%


One has had a longer career than the other.... what we know right now?

Games over 60%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 0

Games over 50%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 1

Games over 45%: LeBron - 3 Kobe - 2

Games under 40%: LeBron - 2 Kobe - 8

Games under 35%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 5

Games under 30%: LeBron - 0 Kobe - 2 ( should be 3 but 2000 is rounded)

Looks like LeBron is doing ok while kobe chokes it up :applause:

Kobes overall finals performance:

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

Look how terrible Kobe's numbers are (choking!!!)..... LeBrons overall finals performance in 2011:

10-11 47%.... Kobe only had ONE year better than this. Heck Kobe's second best year is 43%...fail!

Also in the Finals LeBron averaged more assists per game than Jason Kidd and almost as many rebounds as Tyson Chandler.

But Kobe blows EVERY finals EVERY SINGLE ONE except for once in 2002? and all the silly Kobe kids ignore that?... :facepalm

Im not a LeBron fan. But I do know that Kobe is overrated and for some reason LeBron gets some undeserved hate when he is a better player than Kobe.

Kobe's Final Stats are laughable. Biggest choker/chucker

I wouldn't have made this thread If it hadnt been for all the annoying Kobe kids spamming the forums the past few days. Go away! Kobe is Turrible we dont need to support terrible chuckers who dont improve in the playoffs and turn to jelly in the finals.... :no:

Once again no Kobe fan has come in here and backed Kobe up with any stats... As expected. :facepalm

LeBrons doing well. The only reason I see for the hate is that all the Kobe kids are scared. Im not a LeBron fan nor a Heat fan. But its easy to see LeBron is the better player who will see more finals perform at a higher level and win multiple championships.

Kobe has never had a regular season where he shot over 47%... :roll:

LeBron has all his seasons over 47% except for one (rookie season) :applause:

While destroying Kobe in shooting he beats him in the PPG category

Kobe career 25.3

LeBron James career 27.7

While destroying Kobe in scoring he beats Kobe in rebounds and assists

Kobe career 5.3/4.7 :roll:

LeBron James Career 7.1/7 :applause:

But the playoffs are what matter when you really step it up!!!!

Kobe:.......................LeBron:
2011: 23/3/3.......................24/8/6
2010: 29/6/6.......................29/9/8 on 50%
2009: 30/5/6.......................35/9/7 on 51%
2008: 30/6/6.......................28/8/8
2007: 33/5/4.......................25/8/8
2006: 28/6/6.......................31/8/6

Career averages:

Kobe: 25/5/5
LeBron: 28/8/7

LeBron beats Kobe even when comparing a better Kobe want to compare these two at the same stages of their career and see what really happens?

Kobe:.....................LeBron:
1999: 20/7/5..............2006: 31/8/6
2000: 21/5/4..............2007: 25/8/8
2001: 29/7/6..............2008: 28/8/8
2002: 27/6/5..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2003: 32/5/5..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2004: 25/5/6..............2011: 24/8/6

LeBron crushes Kobe.

Now If we are staying on topic and comparing choking jobs...In Kobes 2004 playoff run he shot 41% FG and 25% 3PT ... :roll:

LeBron shot 47% FG and 35% 3PT :applause:

So I guess its safe to say with all the information gained in this thread...

LeBrons' regular season > Kobe's

LeBron's postseason > Kobe's

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.

So once again where is the hate for LeBron coming from when Kobe is worse?

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.

Like i said im not e lebron fan but people need to lay off...i want him to lose every game he plays and i hate him and the heat lol but that doesnt change the fact that he pleysa some pretty good bball i just dont come here and talk about pointless shit about lebron like every1 else

[Deuce Bigalow]

Pippen in first 3peat
20.9P 8.9R 7.4A 45.6%FG 4.1TO

Lebron James - 2007 & 2011 NBA Finals
19.5 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.8 apg, 41.7%FG, 4.7TO

Pau Gasol - 2009 & 2010 NBA Finals
18.6 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 3.1 apg, 52.7%FG, 2.3 bpg, 1.5 TO

[hitmanyr2k]

Here we have what is possibly the greatest player to ever step on the court (ask Scottie Pippen :rockon: ) and haters are coming out in droves like a pack of ugly hyenas to destroy this man.

I'm not even gonna hate on Rose, Durant, and even Kobe; I think all of them are legit players.

What you loser stans don't realize is it doesn't make Lebron a horrible player just because you have your lip firmly wrapped around your star player. No he doesn't suck because of a few games and his outside shot still needs work.

What I do know is he can explode to the basket, run the fast break, block, steal, and pass better than just about anybody.

So yea, keep on hating on him over clutch minutes (which is bullsh*t since basketball is played 45 mins, not 1) and blast him for going the Heat, in the end, no matter how many childish excuses you try to come up with as to why he sucks (LOL heard one time some noob said he sucks because he looks like a d*ck), Lebron is still one of the most talented player to ever play the game.

And that is something that you can't argue.

Talented and athletic for sure, but his fundamentals and offensive skill level leave a lot to be desired at this stage of his career and that's the main problem I have with him. We're seeing G.O.A.T potential wasted because this guy doesn't seem to have the urgency to add the necessary skills to his game over the years that could have made him an absolute nightmare to deal with.


Scottie said it dumbsh*t and I quoted him.

Scottie did himself a disservice because Lebron isn't even as skilled as Pippen never mind Jordan :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

:kobe:

Maybe it's because Kobe has 5 rings...

[coin24]

I love when people post a huge essay with stats and useless bs..

Lebron=no rings= pathetic...

Lebron clutch stats? Those words don't belong together:lol that clown quivers and defers in the clutch. Show the stats for his amazing finishes since he's been in Miami... Where's phong?:cheers:

[Alamo]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2zsz39i.gif

[Deuce Bigalow]

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one.
:oldlol:

Kobe
10: 28.6-8.0-3.9-.405% - Championship + Finals MVP
09: 32.4-5.6-7.4-.430% - Championship + Finals MVP
08: 25.7-4.7-5.0-.405%
02: 26.8-5.8-5.3-.514% - Championship
01: 24.6-7.8-5.8-.415% - Championship

Lebron
11: 17.8-7.2-6.8-.478%
07: 22.0-7.0-6.8-.356%

Lebron's Finals career high: 25
Kobe has 4 Finals series AVERAGING more than Lebron's career high

[Tenchi Ryu]

LOL at everyone BUT lebron fans up in here....

Good job guys
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SunsCaptain]

I love when people post a huge essay with stats and useless bs..

Lebron=no rings= pathetic...

Lebron clutch stats? Those words don't belong together:lol that clown quivers and defers in the clutch. Show the stats for his amazing finishes since he's been in Miami... Where's phong?:cheers:

if u go bring the stats lebron is better in the clutch.....
but no kobe fan would dare bring stats because what he shoots like 27% in the clutch and has the most turnovers?

Kobe...:facepalm

Look i dont like lebron i dont care who has more jewlery the fact is that lebron is a better player... thos are the FACTS... Kobe played for a great team that carried him to championships....Kobe actually single handled lost two championships dDIDNT EVE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS for two years when they lost shaq and finally got back into winning when they got Gasol.....


So the largest chucker in histroy was carried to the finals by shaq and gasol because he didnt even make the playoffs by himself and people hold this guy in high reguard?


and of course this is why i dont like lebron so much either because he joined the heat but he played with shit on the cavs and still made the playoffs and finals....contrast to what kobe can do...then when he went to miami they lost in the finals and yes i lovedddd that but doesnt change the fact everything lebron has done throughout his career has been better than kobe... he will be there and win despite my wish that they dont....but it will happen....

[LBJMVP]

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.



http://files.sharenator.com/1_I_Dont_Want_to_Live_on_This_Planet_Anymore-s500x282-295658-580.jpg

[SunsCaptain]

:oldlol:

Kobe
10: 28.6-8.0-3.9-.405% - Championship + Finals MVP
09: 32.4-5.6-7.4-.430% - Championship + Finals MVP
08: 25.7-4.7-5.0-.405%
02: 26.8-5.8-5.3-.514% - Championship
01: 24.6-7.8-5.8-.415% - Championship

Lebron
11: 17.8-7.2-6.8-.478%
07: 22.0-7.0-6.8-.356%

Lebron's Finals career high: 25
Kobe has 4 Finals series AVERAGING more than Lebron's career high

Please dont forget 04' if u are trying to pcik stats?

[LeFraud James]

Talented and athletic for sure, but his fundamentals and offensive skill level leave a lot to be desired at this stage of his career and that's the main problem I have with him. We're seeing G.O.A.T potential wasted because this guy doesn't seem to have the urgency to add the necessary skills to his game over the years that could have made him an absolute nightmare to deal with.

Came in here to type more or less the same thing.

Also, SunsCaptain, is there a stat that shows how many times a player has disappeared in a series?

[SunsCaptain]

Look im not a fan of kobe and not a fan of lebron


but the fact is lebron is 10x the player kobe is....

Every1 knows this but kobe fans....

[SunsCaptain]

Came in here to type more or less the same thing.

Also, SunsCaptain, is there a stat that shows how many times a player has disappeared in a series?

Ask kobe his stats get worse in the playoffs and become terrible in the finals....

[LeFraud James]

Ask kobe his stats get worse in the playoffs and become terrible in the finals....

You didn't answer my question though. :confusedshrug:

[SunsCaptain]

You didn't answer my question though. :confusedshrug:

Pretty sure i did.

[poido123]

Is this thread meant to be a circlejerk alert or what? :Inout:

[LeFraud James]

Pretty sure i did.

:lebroncry:

[SunsCaptain]

:lebroncry:

Lol u got wrecked that hard? niceeee

Try reading next time so you dont have to make yourself look like a fool.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Came in here to type more or less the same thing.

Also, SunsCaptain, is there a stat that shows how many times a player has disappeared in a series?

Not series but games.

It's called NSPIG (no shows per important game)

Lebrons NSPIG = 28/31

we track everything here on ISH

[ganja0710]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Epic fail hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hhahahahatrolololololololololollololololoooolololo lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

if u go bring the stats lebron is better in the clutch.....
but no kobe fan would dare bring stats because what he shoots like 27% in the clutch and has the most turnovers?

Kobe...:facepalm

Look i dont like lebron i dont care who has more jewlery the fact is that lebron is a better player... thos are the FACTS... Kobe played for a great team that carried him to championships....Kobe actually single handled lost two championships dDIDNT EVE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS for two years when they lost shaq and finally got back into winning when they got Gasol.....


So the largest chucker in histroy was carried to the finals by shaq and gasol because he didnt even make the playoffs by himself and people hold this guy in high reguard?


and of course this is why i dont like lebron so much either because he joined the heat but he played with shit on the cavs and still made the playoffs and finals....contrast to what kobe can do...then when he went to miami they lost in the finals and yes i lovedddd that but doesnt change the fact everything lebron has done throughout his career has been better than kobe... he will be there and win despite my wish that they dont....but it will happen....
My goodness :facepalm

carried to his championships?

2000-01 NBA Playoffs
29.4-7.3-6.1-.469%
33.3-7.0-7.0-51% Conference Finals
35.0-9.0-4.3-47% Conference Semifinals

2001-02 NBA Playoffs
26.6-5.8-4.6-.434%
26.8-5.8-5.3-.514% Finals

4th Quarter stats

2001 Playoffs - 4th Quarter/OT
Bryant - 40/80 FG, 7/18 3PT, 50.0 FG%, 54.4 3FG%, 38.9 3PT% in 16 games
O'Neal - 38/71 FG, 0/0 3PT, 53.5 FG%, 53.5 eFG%, 0.0 3PT% in 16 games

2002 Playoffs - 4th Quarter/OT
Bryant - 52/106 FG, 12/24 3PT, 49.1 FG%, 54.7 eFG%, 50.0 3PT% in 19 games
O'Neal - 32/85 FG, 0/0 3PT, 37.6 FG%, 37.6 eFG%, 0.0 3PT% in 18 games

2008-09 NBA Playoffs
30.2-5.3-5.5-.457%
32.4-5.6-7.4-.430% Finals
34.0-5.8-5.8-.481% Conference Finals

2009-10 NBA Playoffs
29.2-6.0-5.5-.458%
33.7-7.2-8.3-.521% Conference Finals
32.0-3.8-5.8-.523% Conference Semifinals


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l=&order_by=fg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...l=&order_by=fg

[ganja0710]

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

Last playoff/final game each year.THE BIG GAMES...Elimination games

Kobe: .................LeBron:
2011: 7-18 39%........9-15 60%

2010: 6-24 25%........8-21 38%

2009: 10-23 44%........8-20 40%

2008: 7-22 32% ......14-29 48%

2007: 13-33 39%......10-30 33%

2006: 8-16 50%.........11-24 46%

2004: 7-21 33%

2003: 9-19 47%

2002: 7-16 44%

2001: 7-18 39%

2000: 8-27 30%

1999: 7-16 44%

1997: 4-14 29%


One has had a longer career than the other.... what we know right now?

Games over 60%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 0

Games over 50%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 1

Games over 45%: LeBron - 3 Kobe - 2

Games under 40%: LeBron - 2 Kobe - 8

Games under 35%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 5

Games under 30%: LeBron - 0 Kobe - 2 ( should be 3 but 2000 is rounded)

Looks like LeBron is doing ok while kobe chokes it up

Kobes overall finals performance:

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

Look how terrible Kobe's numbers are (choking!!!)..... LeBrons overall finals performance in 2011:

10-11 47%.... Kobe only had ONE year better than this. Heck Kobe's second best year is 43%...fail!

Also in the Finals LeBron averaged more assists per game than Jason Kidd and almost as many rebounds as Tyson Chandler.

But Kobe blows EVERY finals EVERY SINGLE ONE except for once in 2002? and all the silly Kobe kids ignore that?... :facepalm

Im not a LeBron fan. But I do know that Kobe is overrated and for some reason LeBron gets some undeserved hate when he is a better player than Kobe.

Kobe's Final Stats are laughable. Biggest choker/chucker

I wouldn't have made this thread If it hadnt been for all the annoying Kobe kids spamming the forums the past few days. Go away! Kobe is Turrible we dont need to support terrible chuckers who dont improve in the playoffs and turn to jelly in the finals.... :no:

Once again no Kobe fan has come in here and backed Kobe up with any stats... As expected. :facepalm

LeBrons doing well. The only reason I see for the hate is that all the Kobe kids are scared. Im not a LeBron fan nor a Heat fan. But its easy to see LeBron is the better player who will see more finals perform at a higher level and win multiple championships.

Kobe has never had a regular season where he shot over 47%... :roll:

LeBron has all his seasons over 47% except for one (rookie season) :applause:

While destroying Kobe in shooting he beats him in the PPG category

Kobe career 25.3

LeBron James career 27.7

While destroying Kobe in scoring he beats Kobe in rebounds and assists

Kobe career 5.3/4.7 :roll:

LeBron James Career 7.1/7 :applause:

But the playoffs are what matter when you really step it up!!!!

Kobe:.......................LeBron:
2011: 23/3/3.......................24/8/6
2010: 29/6/6.......................29/9/8 on 50%
2009: 30/5/6.......................35/9/7 on 51%
2008: 30/6/6.......................28/8/8
2007: 33/5/4.......................25/8/8
2006: 28/6/6.......................31/8/6

Career averages:

Kobe: 25/5/5
LeBron: 28/8/7

LeBron beats Kobe even when comparing a better Kobe want to compare these two at the same stages of their career and see what really happens?

Kobe:.....................LeBron:
1999: 20/7/5..............2006: 31/8/6
2000: 21/5/4..............2007: 25/8/8
2001: 29/7/6..............2008: 28/8/8
2002: 27/6/5..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2003: 32/5/5..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2004: 25/5/6..............2011: 24/8/6

LeBron crushes Kobe.

Now If we are staying on topic and comparing choking jobs...In Kobes 2004 playoff run he shot 41% FG and 25% 3PT ... :roll:

LeBron shot 47% FG and 35% 3PT :applause:

So I guess its safe to say with all the information gained in this thread...

LeBrons' regular season > Kobe's

LeBron's postseason > Kobe's

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.

So once again where is the hate for LeBron coming from when Kobe is worse?

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.

Like i said im not e lebron fan but people need to lay off...i want him to lose every game he plays and i hate him and the heat lol but that doesnt change the fact that he pleysa some pretty good bball i just dont come here and talk about pointless shit about lebron like every1 else
Pauk on his other account. Figures.

:roll:

[LeFraud James]

Lol u got wrecked that hard? niceeee

Try reading next time so you dont have to make yourself look like a fool.

Lol @ getting wrecked.

You got it so bad in this thread that Gloria James got jealous and decided to throw her own gangbang.

[Deuce Bigalow]

SunsCaptain needs to deal with the Fact that

Kobe - 5
Suns - 0 in 43 seasons + Lebron - 0

[Tenchi Ryu]

LOL at everyone BUT lebron fans up in here....

Good job guys
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
http://www.oocities.org/sungeun2k1/chlaughing.gif

[SunsCaptain]

Pauk on his other account. Figures.

:roll:

Why would you think i am pauk? im not a heat fan i hate the heat and hate lebron? But i dont ignore the fact that he can play basketball unlike kobe can.

out of all the superstars kobe is most liekly the worst to play in the league.

[ganja0710]

Pauk's in so much shame that he had to cover up his alternate account as a Sun fan. :roll: :roll:

[SunsCaptain]

SunsCaptain needs to deal with the Fact that

Kobe - 5
Suns - 0 in 43 seasons + Lebron - 0

Im not a lebron fan scratch that other zero.

Suns 0 and im proud of it. As a suns fan that loves his team despite having 0 championships i hold myself and other fans in the same possition in high reguard.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why would you think i am pauk? im not a heat fan i hate the heat and hate lebron? But i dont ignore the fact that he can play basketball unlike kobe can.

out of all the superstars kobe is most liekly the worst to play in the league.
what did he do to the your suns in '10 WCF? I forgot, can you remind me?

[ganja0710]

Why would you think i am pauk? im not a heat fan i hate the heat and hate lebron? But i dont ignore the fact that he can play basketball unlike kobe can.

out of all the superstars kobe is most liekly the worst to play in the league.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

But that doesn't take away the fact that he's a winner and LeBron isn't. :oldlol:

:lebroncry:

[I<3NBA]

what kind of suckerage prompted you to make this thread?

[SunsCaptain]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

But that doesn't take away the fact that he's a winner and LeBron isn't. :oldlol:

:lebroncry:

It does not take that away.

point of comment? useless

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.


kobe = 5 rings
lebron = 0

you're welcome

[IamRAMBO24]

Talented and athletic for sure, but his fundamentals and offensive skill level leave a lot to be desired at this stage of his career and that's the main problem I have with him.

Scottie did himself a disservice because Lebron isn't even as skilled as Pippen never mind Jordan :oldlol:

The guy shoots above 50 and edging in the high 20s and you are hating on his offensive game?

C'mon dude, he takes smart shots close to the rim. You don't hate on Shaq, Hakeem, and even rookie Jordan for making their careers pounding in the paint.

Sure he can't shoot as good as Durant or Kobe, but you know what, he doesn't need to. You should take a page from one of the smartest basketball coach: "I like his size and how hard he goes to the rim" - Jerry Sloan when asked why he chose Deron over Paul.

[LakersReign]

LOL at everyone BUT lebron fans up in here....

Good job guys
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

They'll run away to go hide and lurk, til the Heat start winning again, then pop back in to start talking trash all over again. This is the main reason why nobody takes them seriously. They have the nerve to try and dip on real fans of teams, who stay loyal win or lose. But then run away, the minute the Heat start losing.:lol

[SunsCaptain]

kobe = 5 rings
lebron = 0

you're welcome

Forgot to add the ring argument...i mean its the only stat that kobe has over lebron...

I mean no doubt hey 5 rings is great....

5>0

good argument for kobe....well i mean gould argument for the lakers...not rly an individual achievment but none the less grats to him for getting those rings...


But asctual statistic on the basketball court kobe falls shor tto lebron in every single one....

But hey the ring argument is nice.

[BlackVVaves]

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

Last playoff/final game each year.THE BIG GAMES...Elimination games

Kobe: .................LeBron:
2011: 7-18 39%........9-15 60%

2010: 6-24 25%........8-21 38%

2009: 10-23 44%........8-20 40%

2008: 7-22 32% ......14-29 48%

2007: 13-33 39%......10-30 33%

2006: 8-16 50%.........11-24 46%

2004: 7-21 33%

2003: 9-19 47%

2002: 7-16 44%

2001: 7-18 39%

2000: 8-27 30%

1999: 7-16 44%

1997: 4-14 29%


One has had a longer career than the other.... what we know right now?

Games over 60%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 0

Games over 50%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 1

Games over 45%: LeBron - 3 Kobe - 2

Games under 40%: LeBron - 2 Kobe - 8

Games under 35%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 5

Games under 30%: LeBron - 0 Kobe - 2 ( should be 3 but 2000 is rounded)

Looks like LeBron is doing ok while kobe chokes it up :applause:

Kobes overall finals performance:

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

Look how terrible Kobe's numbers are (choking!!!)..... LeBrons overall finals performance in 2011:

10-11 47%.... Kobe only had ONE year better than this. Heck Kobe's second best year is 43%...fail!

Also in the Finals LeBron averaged more assists per game than Jason Kidd and almost as many rebounds as Tyson Chandler.

But Kobe blows EVERY finals EVERY SINGLE ONE except for once in 2002? and all the silly Kobe kids ignore that?... :facepalm

Im not a LeBron fan. But I do know that Kobe is overrated and for some reason LeBron gets some undeserved hate when he is a better player than Kobe.

Kobe's Final Stats are laughable. Biggest choker/chucker

I wouldn't have made this thread If it hadnt been for all the annoying Kobe kids spamming the forums the past few days. Go away! Kobe is Turrible we dont need to support terrible chuckers who dont improve in the playoffs and turn to jelly in the finals.... :no:

Once again no Kobe fan has come in here and backed Kobe up with any stats... As expected. :facepalm

LeBrons doing well. The only reason I see for the hate is that all the Kobe kids are scared. Im not a LeBron fan nor a Heat fan. But its easy to see LeBron is the better player who will see more finals perform at a higher level and win multiple championships.

Kobe has never had a regular season where he shot over 47%... :roll:

LeBron has all his seasons over 47% except for one (rookie season) :applause:

While destroying Kobe in shooting he beats him in the PPG category

Kobe career 25.3

LeBron James career 27.7

While destroying Kobe in scoring he beats Kobe in rebounds and assists

Kobe career 5.3/4.7 :roll:

LeBron James Career 7.1/7 :applause:

But the playoffs are what matter when you really step it up!!!!

Kobe:.......................LeBron:
2011: 23/3/3.......................24/8/6
2010: 29/6/6.......................29/9/8 on 50%
2009: 30/5/6.......................35/9/7 on 51%
2008: 30/6/6.......................28/8/8
2007: 33/5/4.......................25/8/8
2006: 28/6/6.......................31/8/6

Career averages:

Kobe: 25/5/5
LeBron: 28/8/7

LeBron beats Kobe even when comparing a better Kobe want to compare these two at the same stages of their career and see what really happens?

Kobe:.....................LeBron:
1999: 20/7/5..............2006: 31/8/6
2000: 21/5/4..............2007: 25/8/8
2001: 29/7/6..............2008: 28/8/8
2002: 27/6/5..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2003: 32/5/5..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2004: 25/5/6..............2011: 24/8/6

LeBron crushes Kobe.

Now If we are staying on topic and comparing choking jobs...In Kobes 2004 playoff run he shot 41% FG and 25% 3PT ... :roll:

LeBron shot 47% FG and 35% 3PT :applause:

So I guess its safe to say with all the information gained in this thread...

LeBrons' regular season > Kobe's

LeBron's postseason > Kobe's

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.

So once again where is the hate for LeBron coming from when Kobe is worse?

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.

Like i said im not e lebron fan but people need to lay off...i want him to lose every game he plays and i hate him and the heat lol but that doesnt change the fact that he pleysa some pretty good bball i just dont come here and talk about pointless shit about lebron like every1 else

Didn't read. Kobe's career > Lebron's career thus far.

Kobe never disappeared in the Finals the way Bron did last year, a Finals where Lebron's team featured 3 of the best 4 players in the series.

You know what sucks about all the numbers you shared? If Lebron fails to win a title AGAIN this year, he will fall even farther behind Kobe in public opinion regarding All-Time greatness.

[poido123]

They'll run away to go hide and lurk, til the Heat start winning again, then pop back in to star talking trash all over again. This is the main reason why nobody takes them seriously. They have the nerve to try and dip on real fans of teams, who stay loyal win or lose. But then run away, the minute the Heat start losing.:lol

Spot on. Ive seen you post a few times, and each time youve been on the money. No Homo, would rep but yeah...

They lost again today, things around here are eerily quiet from heat fans. Funny part is, if they had won today and Bulls lost, they would of trolled the f**k out of ISH.

[ganja0710]

And the reason why LeBron dickriders question why he always gets criticized and made fun of, is because of threads like these. :roll: you're gonna have the nerve to try to convince a Kobe fan populated board as to why LeBron is oh so great? That's like walking into a murder scene holding a knife claiming you didn't do it. :roll:

So tell me...on a scale of lebrons clutch ability to the amount of rings Kobe has, lebron fans, how mad are you? :roll:

[IamRAMBO24]

kobe = 5 rings
lebron = 0

you're welcome

Really?

End of argument?

Then Robert Horry should be GOAT PF then. The ring is a collective unit; it doesn't represent the performance of one player; it can ONLY represent the contribution of the player, but seeing how stack Kobe's championship Lakers are, it's hard to say he did it all alone, thus this is a fallacious argument.

You can use MVP as a measurement, but wait, Lebron's got more awards in that area. :facepalm

Jordan needed multiple MVPs to be consider GOAT. The rings were the icing on the cake because he also won FMVP making him the main reason why they won. Kobe wasn't even FMVP on the first 3 rings.

[Hittin_Shots]

http://9gag.com/gag/3573164

[SunsCaptain]

And the reason why LeBron dickriders question why he always gets criticized and made fun of, is because of threads like these. :roll: you're gonna have the nerve to try to convince a Kobe fan populated board as to why LeBron is oh so great? That's like walking into a murder scene holding a knife claiming you didn't do it. :roll:

So tell me...on a scale of lebrons clutch ability to the amount of rings Kobe has, lebron fans, how mad are you? :roll:

are you asking IAMRAMBO?

I didn tmake this thread...shits stupid. lebron is decent and kobe is shit. Thats all there is to it.

Kobe raped a girl lebron did the decision

kobe is bad in the clutch lebron is bad in the clutch

kobe has ok stats lebron has better stats

come playoff times kobes stats sink lebrons raise

come finals they both suck

they are basically the same player but:

Kobe has rings and lebron is the better player

[ganja0710]

Of course LeBron fans bring up Robert Horry. :roll: That ones getting pretty old. Try, maybe, KC jones next time?

[BlackVVaves]

Really?

End of argument?

Then Robert Horry should be GOAT PF then. The ring is a collective unit; it doesn't represent the performance of one player, thus this is a fallacious argument.

You can use MVP as a measurement, but wait, Lebron's got more awards in that area. :facepalm

FMVP is more heavily weighted than MVP of the regular season, especially since 2004.

And guess what?

Kobe - 2 FMVP. LeBron - 0 FMVP.

[ganja0710]

are you asking IAMRAMBO?

I didn tmake this thread...shits stupid. lebron is decent and kobe is shit. Thats all there is to it.

Kobe raped a girl lebron did the decision

kobe is bad in the clutch lebron is bad in the clutch

kobe has ok stats lebron has better stats

come playoff times kobes stats sink lebrons raise

come finals they both suck

they are basically the same player but:

Kobe has rings and lebron is the better player
:roll:

Wow.:oldlol: Pauk, just stop. Save it for later.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Forgot to add the ring argument...i mean its the only stat that kobe has over lebron...

I mean no doubt hey 5 rings is great....

5>0

good argument for kobe....well i mean gould argument for the lakers...not rly an individual achievment but none the less grats to him for getting those rings...


But asctual statistic on the basketball court kobe falls shor tto lebron in every single one....

But hey the ring argument is nice.

well, it happens to be the stat that matters the most, last time i checked every player wants to win a ring more than anything (see lebron backstabbin of cleveland to join forces with 3 top 10 players)

I mean, stats are fun and all but you don't need a calculator if you're a coach to dress up kobe over lebron when the sh1t gets real.

You can use all this fg% which is good, but be real, you don't compare fg% from different positions. Specially when one of them scores with jumpers 90% of the time.

Lebron is the better passer I'll give you that.

But again, history is full of empty stats, without the championship mentallity you are NOT getting high in the GOAT list.

[SunsCaptain]

:roll:

Wow.:oldlol: Pauk, just stop. Save it for later.

You make yourself look stupid everytime you say pauk...

You are ****ing paranoid...

[Alamo]

Look im not a fan of kobe and not a fan of lebron


but the fact is lebron is 10x the player kobe is....

Every1 knows this but kobe fans....

Whatever you say, Pauk :rolleyes:

[LakersReign]

Spot on. Ive seen you post a few times, and each time youve been on the money. No Homo, would rep but yeah...

They lost again today, things around here are eerily quiet from heat fans. Funny part is, if they had won today and Bulls lost, they would of trolled the f**k out of ISH.


Yeah, they're real easy to predict. They used to do the same thing when they were riding high on the Cavs bandwagon. Whenever the Cavs got embarrassed, they disappeared. But would suddenly show up out of nowhere, talking all kinds of trash whenever they started to win. Then still expect people to take them and whatever they said seriously. Hilarious.:oldlol:

[hitmanyr2k]

The guy shoots above 50 and edging in the high 20s and you are hating on his offensive game?

C'mon dude, he takes smart shots close to the rim. You don't hate on Shaq, Hakeem, and even rookie Jordan for making their careers pounding in the paint.

Sure he can't shoot as good as Durant or Kobe, but you know what, he doesn't need to. You should take a page from one of the smartest basketball coach: "I like his size and how hard he goes to the rim" - Jerry Sloan when asked why he chose Deron over Paul.

I don't hate Shaq, Jordan, or Hakeem because their games incorporated skill and fundamentals as their careers went along. And how does rookie Jordan even fit in this? Rookie Jordan looked nothing like 9th year Jordan. 9th year Jordan was the complete package inside and out. Insane athleticism matched by insane skill/fundamentals...sick footwork, low/high post game, could go left or right, finish with either hand, could work off the ball for a catch and shoot, etc. Lebron has (or had depending on some arguments) insane athleticism. His skill and fundamentals? Very much lacking at this stage of his career. Not even close to Jordan. Not even close to Pippen for that matter.

Can you imagine what a "skilled" Lebron James could have done to the Mavs last year when they were stupid enough to put Jason Kidd on him for stretches? Can you imagine if Lebron had a basic post move like a jumphook? What has stopped him from developing even the most basic moves the past 3-4 years? After his failure in the Finals last year I thought we would have seen some urgency on his part but he still looks like the same damn player from last year. Stats are nice and all but those stats won't mean a damn thing when he gets to the later stages of the playoffs and gets stuck in a half court game against a great defense.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2011 NBA Finals
Wade - 26.5 ppg
Dirk - 26.0 ppg
CHRIS BOSH - 18.5
JASON TERRY - 18.0 ppg
Lebron - 17.8 ppg

2007 NBA Finals
TONY PARKER - 24.5 ppg
Lebron - 22.0 ppg

You think prime Kobe would get outscored by Jason Terry, Chris Bosh, and Tony Parker in a playoff series?

[SunsCaptain]

Whatever you say, Pauk :rolleyes:

the ****....you are all paranoid as shit...

Not a lebron fan all my posts are about the suns....or dragic x-sun

I swear to god ill start putting you guys on ignore if you keep calling me pauk.

****ing people are idiots.

[ganja0710]

You make yourself look stupid everytime you say pauk...

You are ****ing paranoid...
Paranoid of what? Because you make it painfully obvious that you're him? Same reasonings to downgrade kobes play, same exact stats you use for every argument, same weird affectionate love for LeBron, and same stupid grammatically incorrect sentence structures? :oldlol: :oldlol: Ah you're better than that.

Actually, no you're not. :oldlol:

[SunsCaptain]

Ok ur on ignore...

atleast this helps me clean up the forums....See actual basketball related content instead of stupid lebron and kobe fans...

[ganja0710]

Ok ur on ignore...
:lebroncry: :lebroncry: :lebroncry: :lebroncry: :lebroncry:

[ganja0710]

Ok ur on ignore...

atleast this helps me clean up the forums....See actual basketball related content instead of stupid lebron and kobe fans...
Nah, that's not the reason why you put us on ignore. You run away from the spotlight when shit gets tough for you, just like your boy Lebron.

[IamRAMBO24]

FMVP is more heavily weighted than MVP of the regular season, especially since 2004.

And guess what?

Kobe - 2 FMVP. LeBron - 0 FMVP.

No it doesn't. MVP is more weighted as far as individual performance because it takes into consideration overall impact, stats, and seed.

Impact

This is the most important value of a player. This is the reason why Nash won it 2 times. How a player alters and improve his team when he is on the court is a great evaluation of how good he is as a player. If a team is stacked with players that improve the team just as much as the star (Shaq and Gasol on the Lakers), then his impact is weighted based on that.

Seed

Based on the impact of the player, how many wins does the team have? If the impact is great, then the value of the player goes up, if it is not (like Duncan for the Spurs 2011), then his value goes down.

Statistics

Is the player good enough to lead the league in scoring, assist, block, rebound, etc.?

The fact Kobe cannot win the MVP every year when his team is legit enough to get a top seed shows how little impact he has as a team player.

Let's review:

Ring - team contribution

MVP - individual performance

When you are talking about which player is better, the MVP is the single biggest determinant of which one is truly better.

[Mr. Jabbar]

No it doesn't. MVP is more weighted as far as individual performance because it takes into consideration overall impact, stats, and seed.

Impact

This is the most important value of a player. This is the reason why Nash won it 2 times. How a player alters and improve his team when he is on the court is a great evaluation of how good he is as a player. If a team is stacked with players that improve the team just as much as the star (Shaq and Gasol on the Lakers), then his impact is weighted based on that.

Seed

Based on the impact of the player, how many wins does the team have? If the impact is great, then the value of the player goes up, if it is not (like Duncan for the Spurs 2011), then his value goes down.

Statistics

Is the player good enough to lead the league in scoring, assist, block, rebound, etc.?

The fact Kobe cannot win the MVP every year when his team is legit enough to get a top seed shows how little impact he has as a team player.

Let's review:

Ring - team contribution

MVP - individual performance

When you are talking about which player is better, the MVP is the single biggest determinant of which one is truly better.

lebron plain and simple costed the Heat the title last finals. How about that for an individual performance?

[IamRAMBO24]

lebron plain and simple costed the Heat the title last finals. How about that for an individual performance?

Costed is not a word.

[ganja0710]

Costed is not a word.
And LeBron is not a winner. Let's play the facts game!

[Fiasco]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2zsz39i.gif

:roll: :oldlol: :roll: :oldlol: :roll:
:oldlol: :roll: :oldlol: :roll:

[LakersReign]

Look im not a fan of kobe and not a fan of lebron


but the fact is lebron is 10x the player kobe is....

Every1 knows this but kobe fans....

Just gotta love it how Lebronytes have to PRETEND to be a fan of another team, just to try and make themselves seem objective, when it comes to Lebron.:lol

I've said it before, I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it. Lebron is ALL HYPE!!!! Lebronytes claim he's the clear cut MVP this season. Pure b.s, but that's what they're selling. Everybody else is either saying Rose or KD. Now, here it is the Heat play the Thunder, Lebron playing against a rival in KD for the MVP, and Leborn doesn't go off to show KD who the REAL MVP is? Jordan, Magic, and Bird can tell you that whenever the Bulls, Lakers, or Celtics came to town, it was war. They wanted to prove to each other and the world who was really the best. Hype up Lebron all you want to, but the fact of the matter is, he doesn't have that competitive nature like a Jordan/Magic/Bird, to want to prove who the best really is. Y'all hate Kobe cuz he has that, and Lebron clearly doesn't.

[IamRAMBO24]

And LeBron is not a winner. Let's play the facts game!

That's an opinion.

You can say he has not won a championship. That's a fact.

This doesn't make him a loser. There are plenty of stars better than Kobe who has never won a championship.

[LakersReign]

That's an opinion.

You can say he has not won a championship. That's a fact.

This doesn't make him a loser. There are plenty of stars better than Kobe who has never won a championship.


Name 5

This oughta be good:lol

[IamRAMBO24]

You have to look at impact if you truly want a fair argument as to who is better.

A player who can make his teammates around him better is a much more valuable player because he can do multiple things (pass, shoot, defend, intangibles) than merely chuck up shots.

This is why Lebron fans place him above Kobe.

Stop pointing to rings (a group effort) and offensive numbers and say Kobe is better.

Lebron beats him out as the more complete player by far.

[Mr. Jabbar]

That's an opinion.

You can say he has not won a championship. That's a fact.

This doesn't make him a loser. There are plenty of stars better than Kobe who has never won a championship.

except they are not better than him.

name 1 player w/o rings better than kobe.

[IamRAMBO24]

Name 5

This oughta be good:lol

I'll start with one: the iceman.

[LakersReign]

AND....his government name would be..........?

[Mr. Jabbar]

AND....his government name would be..........?

george gervin, which is not even close to kobe :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

george gervin, which is not even close to kobe :oldlol:

I only asked the question cuz I already knew he was going to pull some stupid half baked theory out his a**. Since it's obviously he has no clue what he talking about. "Oh....there are plenty of other players BETTER THAN KOBE who've never won a championship." But he can't name 5 cuz they don't exist. Big surprise:sleeping

[Mr. Jabbar]

I already knew he was going to pull some stupid half baked theory out his a** cuz it's obviously he has no clue what he talking about. No big surprise there:rolleyes:

:roll:

1 star threads are so fun sometimes

[IamRAMBO24]

george gervin, which is not even close to kobe :oldlol:

You are a f*ckin idiot who can't respect the greats of the past.

[Mr. Jabbar]

You are a f*ckin idiot who can't respect the greats of the past.

ok, because I say some1 from the past is not better than kobe I disrespect the greats of the past...agenda much?

[IamRAMBO24]

I only asked the question cuz I already knew he was going to pull some stupid half baked theory out his a**. Since it's obviously he has no clue what he talking about. "Oh....there are plenty of other players BETTER THAN KOBE who've never won a championship." But he can't name 5 cuz they don't exist. Big surprise:sleeping

When I said better players, I'm talking about 3. Don't get me wrong, I think Kobe is a great star and a future HOF.

I don't hate his game, in fact, I am a big fan of his; I just think you stans are delusional when you try to pump him up as the GOAT.

He's not even consider the best compare to the players today, so don't even go there with the legends.

[IamRAMBO24]

ok, because I say some1 from the past is not better than kobe I disrespect the greats of the past...agenda much?

Do your homework.

Go study the Iceman and see what he did for his team.

[LakersReign]

:roll:

1 star threads are so fun sometimes


Yeah cuz they make themselves look stupid. It's hilarious watching them make stuff up, believe it, then expect other people to believe it, simply cuz they do. But then the minute you challenge them on their own words, they either respond with pathetic so called insults, or simply run away. Watching them make up facts to back up their made up nonsense, really is hilarious.:lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

I think Kobe is a great star.

I don't hate his game, in fact, I am a big fan of his.

Damn, it all makes sense now (not really)


I think Kobe is a future HOF.

thanks sherlock

[IamRAMBO24]

Yeah cuz they make themselves look stupid. It's hilarious watching them make stuff up, believe it, then expect other people to believe it, simply cuz they do. But then the minute you challenge them on their own words, they either respond with pathetic so called insults, or simply run away. Watching them make up facts to back up their made up nonsense, really is hilarious.:lol

Did I f*ckin run away from the argument dumbsh*t?

I'm still posting aint I.

Now go study the Iceman and see what legends are made of. Contrary to popular belief, basketball didn't just exist for 10 years.

[LakersReign]

When I said better players, I'm talking about 3. Don't get me wrong, I think Kobe is a great star and a future HOF.

I don't hate his game, in fact, I am a big fan of his; I just think you stans are delusional when you try to pump him up as the GOAT.

He's not even consider the best compare to the players today, so don't even go there with the legends.

Please, you sound just like dmavs:rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is, I asked you to name me 5 players who haven't won a title, that are better than Kobe, according to you, and you ran. Talking bout "oh...well...I'm only gonna name 3." Proving that's one of your delusions, nothing more. If it was really factual, you wouldn't hesitate to name them. The fact that you chose to run away first, spoke volumes. Oh, and by the way, just cuz you rank other people ahead of Kobe based SOLELY on your Kobe hate, doesn't mean everyone else will:no:

[IamRAMBO24]

Please, you sound just like dmavs:rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is, I asked you to name me 5 players who haven't won a title, that are better than Kobe, according to you, and you ran. Proving that's one of your delusions, nothing more. If it was really factual, you wouldn't hesitate to name them. The fact that you chose to run away first, spoke volumes. Oh, and by the way, just cuz you rank other people ahead of Kobe based SOLELY on your Kobe hate, doesn't mean everyone else will:facepalm

The fact is when I said players, I meant 3, then I progress to start with 1. That's not running dipsh*t, that's just undermining the strawman you threw out.

Why not take on my premise and argue that the Iceman had more of an impact on his team (not to mention the game of basketball) than Kobe?

He revolutionized an aspect of the game; Kobe is nothing more than a Jordan stan riding on the nuts of good teammates who contribute to the ring just as much (if not more) hence his inability to win MVP every year.

When you are talking about impact, Kobe is falling short.

[LakersReign]

The fact is when I said players, I meant 3, then I progress to start with 1. That's not running dipsh*t, that's just undermining the strawman you threw out.

Why not take on my premise and argue that the Iceman had more of an impact on his team (not to mention the game of basketball) than Kobe?

He revolutionized an aspect of the game; Kobe is nothing more than a Jordan stan riding on the nuts of good teammates who contribute to the ring just as much (if not more) hence his inability to win MVP every year.

When you are talking about impact, Kobe is falling short.

Yep....my suspicions are correct. You're really dmavs:rolleyes:

And like I said before, the real reason why you started backpeddling is cuz you already know you're making this up as you go along. I said name me 5 players and you still can't do it yet. While still claiming your supposed information is accurate. Theories have to be proven, but facts are facts. And if you actually had facts, you would've posted those 5 names already.

[Mr. Jabbar]

The fact is when I said players, I meant 3, then I progress to start with 1. That's not running dipsh*t, that's just undermining the strawman you threw out.

Why not take on my premise and argue that the Iceman had more of an impact on his team (not to mention the game of basketball) than Kobe?

He revolutionized an aspect of the game; Kobe is nothing more than a Jordan stan riding on the nuts of good teammates who contribute to the ring just as much (if not more) hence his inability to win MVP every year.

When you are talking about impact, Kobe is falling short.

lol @ kobe not having impact, dude won 3 straight rings with shaq and contributed inmensly to the point they might have likely won 1 out 3 w/o him then he had to deal with whats commonly known as the worst supporting cast an nba superstar has ever dealt with, then he gets a competitive team again and BAM 3 finals 2 more chips (alongside "goat" gasol who was a no show in MEM with a 0-16 playoff record before coming to LA). Yeah, haters be mad...

[Magic bird]

Lebron is a good player, there is no denying that (Im a celtics supporter) But people hate him for him leaving the Cavs the way he did and his trash talking. HAters gonna hate tho.

[BlackVVaves]

Costed is not a word.

Winning isn't either, in Lebron's vocabulary.

MVP is so meaningful, right? Let's ask Nash in 06, Dirk in 07, Bron in 09, Bron again in 2010.

Back in the day, if you were the undisputed best player in the league, the MVP, then there was no questioning your ability to perform in the playoffs, all the way to the Finals.


Like Bird from 84-86. Magic in 87 and 89. Jordan from 90-92. Barkley in 93. Hakeem in 94. Jordan in 96, Malone in 97, Jordan in 98. Shaq in 2000. AI in 2001. Duncan in 2003. Kobe in 2008.

Not once has Bron made the Finals the years he has won his MVPs. In fact, he has been ridiculed for simply giving up in 2010 against the Celtics in that decisive Game 7, in the second round.

Like I said, FMVP holds more weight these days. It's the player that led his team to 16 victories under the most pressure of the year, walking away with the championship that people first turn to when judging whether a player is a "winner" or not. Which is why people will remember Dirk's legendary playoff run last year before they recall his MVP year which ended with a first round exit to the 8th seeded Warriors.

[IamRAMBO24]

Winning isn't either, in Lebron's vocabulary.

MVP is so meaningful, right? Let's ask Nash in 06, Dirk in 07, Bron in 09, Bron again in 2010.

Back in the day, if you were the undisputed best player in the league, the MVP, then there was no questioning your ability to perform in the playoffs, all the way to the Finals.


Like Bird from 84-86. Magic in 87 and 89. Jordan from 90-92. Barkley in 93. Hakeem in 94. Jordan in 96, Malone in 97, Jordan in 98. Shaq in 2000. AI in 2001. Duncan in 2003. Kobe in 2008.

Not once has Bron made the Finals the years he has won his MVPs. In fact, he has been ridiculed for simply giving up in 2010 against the Celtics in that decisive Game 7, in the second round.

Like I said, FMVP holds more weight these days. It's the player that led his team to 16 victories under the most pressure of the year, walking away with the championship that people first turn to when judging whether a player is a "winner" or not. Which is why people will remember Dirk's legendary playoff run last year before they recall his MVP year which ended with a first round exit to the 8th seeded Warriors.

The FMVP is of course important, but you need both to be consider a legend. Bird, Magic, and of course Jordan are consider the best of all time because they won both MVP and FMVP.

In Kobe's case, his inability to win MVP on a consistent basis overrides his FMVP argument. Billups won FMVP but he was not the best player on the team or even in the league that year. It just means he had a weak matchup against a team weak at the point. The MVP takes into consideration ALL MATCHUPS against every team throughout the season.

Why isn't he winning it consistently if he is truly the best player in the league?

So when you are talking about individual performances, the MVP has more weight the FMVP, but both are equally important. Don't get me wrong.

[IamRAMBO24]

lol @ kobe not having impact, dude won 3 straight rings with shaq and contributed inmensly to the point they might have likely won 1 out 3 w/o him then he had to deal with whats commonly known as the worst supporting cast an nba superstar has ever dealt with, then he gets a competitive team again and BAM 3 finals 2 more chips (alongside "goat" gasol who was a no show in MEM with a 0-16 playoff record before coming to LA). Yeah, haters be mad...

OMG Kobe stans are f*ckin retarded.

Shaq won FMVP and MVP, so if Kobe is so goddamn great, then why didn't he win those awards?

Simple question.

The fact still remains, Lebron has more of an impact on the team he plays on than Kobe did; this is pure evident in the way the Heat is playing this year with Wade and Bosh being nothing more than sidekick b*tches and how much damage the Cavs took when he left them.

Kobe was Shaq's b*tch. FACT.

[IamRAMBO24]

Yep....my suspicions are correct. You're really dmavs:rolleyes:

And like I said before, the real reason why you started backpeddling is cuz you already know you're making this up as you go along. I said name me 5 players and you still can't do it yet. While still claiming your supposed information is accurate. Theories have to be proven, but facts are facts. And if you actually had facts, you would've posted those 5 names already.

Who the f*ck is dmavs?

[BlackVVaves]

The FMVP is of course important, but you need both to be consider a legend. Bird, Magic, and of course Jordan are consider the best of all time because they won both MVP and FMVP.

In Kobe's case, his inability to win MVP on a consistent basis overrides his FMVP argument. Billups won FMVP but he was not the best player on the team or even in the league that year,.

Why isn't he winning it consistently if he is truly the best player in the league?

So when you are talking about individual performances, the MVP has more weight the FMVP, but both are equally important. Don't get me wrong.


So who deserved the FMVP that year? Ben Wallace? :oldlol:

The MVP is strictly media driven. Do you really think Nash was the best player in the league in 2005? No, that would be Shaq. But, Nash's and Phoenix's storyline, appeal, and rise made it an obvious choice as to who would win it.

Regardless, I'm not disputing that Lebron at this point is the better overall player. Stay on track. You were trying to make the case that Bron has been the better player and has the better career, which I have been and still am declaring wrong.

I'd also love to hear the three players who don't have a ring whom are higher in the All Time list than Kobe. Please, share with us.

[dude77]

http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/oprah_laughing_animated_gif.gif


:roll: this is a good gif .. I'm gonna steal it from you if you don't mind

[IamRAMBO24]

So who deserved the FMVP that year? Ben Wallace? :oldlol:

The MVP is strictly media driven. Do you really think Nash was the best player in the league in 2005? No, that would be Shaq. But, Nash's and Phoenix's storyline, appeal, and rise made it an obvious choice as to who would win it.

Regardless, I'm not disputing that Lebron at this point is the better overall player. Stay on track. You were trying to make the case that Bron has been the better player and has the better career, which I have been and still am declaring wrong.

I'd also love to hear the three players who don't have a ring whom are higher in the All Time list than Kobe. Please, share with us.

Yes Nash was the best that year based on impact couple with seed. He also lead the league in assists, which covers the 3 criteria of the best that year while Kobe is not.

What you stans don't realize is impact is the most important criteria to use as a measurement for MVP.

Face it, Kobe is too limited in his ability to be an impact type of player; he shoots too much from the perimeter (which allows the defense to stick to their man and not rotate for the help) and he is not known as a pass first player (which again, allows the defense to not care about the passing lane), plus rarely does he play the fast break which makes the D hustle back on defense and lose their positioning allowing the team to score an easy bucket.

Lebron does those things because he is more of a team player, which draws the defense to help and opens his teammates, hence why he is in the MVP conversation every year.

IMPACT > Chucking up shots

[BlackVVaves]

Yes Nash was the best that year based on impact couple with seed. He also lead the league in assists, which covers the 3 criteria of the best that year.

What you stans don't realize is impact is the most important criteria to use as a measurement for MVP.

Face it, Kobe is too limited in his ability to be an impact type of player; he shoots too much from the perimeter (which allows the defense to stick to their man and not rotate for the help) and he is not known as a pass first player (which again, allows the defense to not care about the passing lane).

And he doesn't make the defense hustle because rarely does he start the fast break.

First off, I'm not a Kobe stan, so cut that shit out right there. I'm one objective mother****er.

Second, yes, Kobe is so limited in making an impact that he was never a All NBA First Team member, never led his team in assists, and never was the second leading rebounder in a Game 7, which ultimately came down to rebounding and second chance points (and free throws) with 15 boards at the shooting guard position. Right?

Third, love how you keep ignoring everyone who is asking for these imaginary players whom don't have a ring but are higher-up in the All Time List than Kobe.

Kobe isn't the GOAT, isn't better than Jordan, and isn't the best player in the league right now. But I ****ing can't stand you people so obsessed with molding Lebron into a player you wish he would be, yet he keeps failing at becoming, that you resolve in eroding all other competition through belittling those players' career, like Kobe.

[LakersReign]

Who the f*ck is dmavs?

iamrambo24 = damvs:facepalm

The ducking and dodging of the question, when you already know you made yourself look stupid, the long 6 paragraphs posts of rambling Kobe hatin' nonsense, the insistance of comparing Kobe to people 34-40 years ago, then claiming they're supposedly better than him, are all dead giveaways. You're totally incapable of coming up with something new, aren't you?:sleeping


First off, I'm not a Kobe stan, so cut that shit out right there. I'm one objective mother****er.

Second, yes, Kobe is so limited in making an impact that he was never a All NBA First Team member, never led his team in assists, and never was the second leading rebounder in a Game 7, which ultimately came down to rebounding and second chance points (and free throws) with 15 boards at the shooting guard position. Right?

Third, love how you keep ignoring everyone who is asking for these imaginary players whom don't have a ring but are higher-up in the All Time List than Kobe.

Kobe isn't the GOAT, isn't better than Jordan, and isn't the best player in the league right now. But I ****ing can't stand you people so obsessed with molding Lebron into a player you wish he would be, yet he keeps failing at becoming, that you resolve in eroding all other competition through belittling those players' career, like Kobe.

OWNED!!!!:applause:

[IamRAMBO24]

First off, I'm not a Kobe stan, so cut that shit out right there. I'm one objective mother****er.

Second, yes, Kobe is so limited in making an impact that he was never a All NBA First Team member, never led his team in assists, and never was the second leading rebounder in a Game 7, which ultimately came down to rebounding and second chance points (and free throws) with 15 boards at the shooting guard position. Right?

Third, love how you keep ignoring everyone who is asking for these imaginary players whom don't have a ring but are higher-up in the All Time List than Kobe.

Kobe isn't the GOAT, isn't better than Jordan, and isn't the best player in the league right now. But I ****ing can't stand you people so obsessed with molding Lebron into a player you wish he would be, yet he keeps failing at becoming, that you resolve in eroding all other competition through belittling those players' career, like Kobe.

I quoted 3 players: Iceman, Wilkins, and Malone based on the 3 criterias that determine the worth, value, and talent of a player: impact, stats, seed.

Kobe rarely dominates in the one area he is good at: scoring. How many scoring titles does he have? Sure he put up 80 (which is impressive in it's own right), but has he done it consistently enough to dominate the scoring title? No.

How much of an impact has he had compare to Malone on the Jazz and Wilkins on the Blazers? You take out Kobe during the Shaq years, put in another solid player and can you with a straight face NOT exercise the idea that is a legit title contender?

You take out Malone on the Jazz or Lebron on the Cavs, what happens? Lottery team at best.

So f*ck you for not taking impact into consideration when you talk about which player is the better one.

Impact wins games. Highlights don't.

[LakersReign]

I quoted 3 players: Iceman, Wilkins, and Malone based on the 3 criterias that determine the worth, value, and talent of a player: impact, stats, seed.

Kobe rarely dominates in the one area he is good at: scoring. How many scoring titles does he have? Sure he put up 80 (which is impressive in it's own right), but has he done it consistently enough to dominate the scoring title? No.

How much of an impact has he had compare to Malone on the Jazz and Wilkins on the Blazers? You take out Kobe during the Shaq years, put in another solid player like Reggie Miller and can you with a straight face NOT exercise the idea that is a legit title contender?

You take out Malone on the Jazz or Lebron on the Cavs, what happens? Lottery team at best.

So f*ck you for not taking impact into consideration when you talk about which player is the better one.

Impact wins games. Highlights don't.



AND....ALL of that is YOUR hater opinion, since you have nothing legit to back it up , but your own opinion. Why is it that you originally stated that "there were so many players without a title that were/are better than Kobe", but NOW, can ONLY list 3 names? I asked you to list 5 names and you acted like you were getting a root canal, without novocaine. The fact of the matter is, you were talking out your a** like you always do, and didn't expect to get challenged. Since you're under some pathetic delusion that people just AUTOMATICALLY take your word on whatever you say, simply cuz you said it. Which is exactly why you can only list 3 names cuz you're making this all up out of your own hater opinion, that's why. You need to go back to no drama hoops and stay there..........dmavs/iamrambo24/indiefan23/indiefan24.




Nice try:applause:

[IamRAMBO24]

AND....ALL of that is YOUR hater opinion, since you have nothing legit to back it up , but your own opinion. Why is it that you originally stated that "there were so many players without a title that were/are better than Kobe", but NOW, can ONLY list 3 names? I asked you to list 5 names and you acted like you were getting a root canal, without novocaine. You can only list 3 names cuz you're making this all up out of your own hater opinion, that's why....dmavs.




Nice try:applause:

Haha you're too f*ckin stupid to NOT realize the straw you were trying to throw at my argument.

First I said "players." My original intent was 3 players.

Your dumba*s decided to convert that definition to mean 5 when all along I meant 3. I responded by saying, "I'll start with 1." I never accepted your definition dumbsh*t. All along I meant 3 and I have clearly stated the 3 that I feel is superior based on the criteria of MVP: impact, stats, seed.

If Kobe is so goddamn great, why has he not proven to fit those 3 criterias and win MVP every year? Y'know, like how great players do it.

[D-Wade316]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2zsz39i.gif
:oldlol:

[LakersReign]

Haha you're too f*ckin stupid to NOT realize the straw you were trying to throw at my argument.

First I said "players." My original intent was 3 players.

Your dumba*s decided to convert that definition to mean 5 when all along I meant 3. I responded by saying, "I'll start with 1." I never accepted your definition dumbsh*t. All along I meant 3 and I have clearly stated the 3 that I feel is superior based on the criteria of MVP: impact, stats, seed.

If Kobe is so goddamn great, why has he not proven to fit those 3 criterias and win MVP every year? Y'know, like how great players do it.



That's an opinion.

You can say he has not won a championship. That's a fact.

This doesn't make him a loser. There are plenty of stars better than Kobe who has never won a championship.http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257333&page=6

You never said anything about 3 players until AFTER I asked you to name 5 to back up this delusional hot garbage



Nice try....damvs/iamrambo24/indiefan23/indiefan24:applause:

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257333&page=6

You never said anything about 3 players until AFTER I asked you to name 5 to back up this delusional hot garbage



Nice try....damvs/iamrambo24/indiefan23/indiefan24:applause:

Character assassination (trying to say I am someone who I am not) and strawmans does not make your argument anymore legit.

If you are so versed in why your lover boy Kobe is so damn great, why can't you argue the premises I have laid out?

1. Kobe has failed to win MVP on a consistent basis based on the 3 criterias that make a player great.

2. Iceman, Wilkins, and Malone have proven to be better players based on those 3 criterias even though they have not won a ring.

3. When we are talking about how good a player is, a ring (which is a collective unit) and top ten highlights cannot be used to determine the talent of a player; the criteria should be impact, stats, and contribution along with awards such as MVP, FMVP, and all time records.

[BlackVVaves]

I quoted 3 players: Iceman, Wilkins, and Malone based on the 3 criterias that determine the worth, value, and talent of a player: impact, stats, seed.

Kobe rarely dominates in the one area he is good at: scoring. How many scoring titles does he have? Sure he put up 80 (which is impressive in it's own right), but has he done it consistently enough to dominate the scoring title? No.

How much of an impact has he had compare to Malone on the Jazz and Wilkins on the Blazers? You take out Kobe during the Shaq years, put in another solid player and can you with a straight face NOT exercise the idea that is a legit title contender?

You take out Malone on the Jazz or Lebron on the Cavs, what happens? Lottery team at best.

So f*ck you for not taking impact into consideration when you talk about which player is the better one.

Impact wins games. Highlights don't.


Impact wins games, and lack of impact loses games, right? Like Lebron's lack of impact in crucial points of crucial games in the last 5 years?

While Kobe's lack of impact has helped him reach the NBA Finals three of the last four years. Interesting.

I won't argue with a person who is so deeply rooted in their delusion that they think Gervin or Wilkins is higher up in the All Time List than Kobe. I will say that it's a shame that individuals like you truly are lost in the realm of Lebron that you create and live in. But, it doesn't matter to me, just something to laugh at in passing like a dog eating it's own shit in the middle of a park. Unless Bron ends his career with 3+ rings, he will not be ranked higher than Kobe himself, particularly if his lack of "IMPACT" continues in critical moments and games. People will remember what Lebron DIDN'T do, before they recall what he DID do if his pattern of ineffectiveness in the crunch persists. The same way people's first thought of Lebron these days aren't his MVPs, but his transformation into Casper last June.

Well, rational people. So no, that doesn't refer to you. What DOES refer to you? ****boy supreme. Try breathing without Bron's scrotum shoved down your throat. You'll find the air tastes a bit cleaner.

[LakersFan626]

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

Last playoff/final game each year.THE BIG GAMES...Elimination games

Kobe: .................LeBron:
2011: 7-18 39%........9-15 60%

2010: 6-24 25%........8-21 38%

2009: 10-23 44%........8-20 40%

2008: 7-22 32% ......14-29 48%

2007: 13-33 39%......10-30 33%

2006: 8-16 50%.........11-24 46%

2004: 7-21 33%

2003: 9-19 47%

2002: 7-16 44%

2001: 7-18 39%

2000: 8-27 30%

1999: 7-16 44%

1997: 4-14 29%


One has had a longer career than the other.... what we know right now?

Games over 60%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 0

Games over 50%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 1

Games over 45%: LeBron - 3 Kobe - 2

Games under 40%: LeBron - 2 Kobe - 8

Games under 35%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 5

Games under 30%: LeBron - 0 Kobe - 2 ( should be 3 but 2000 is rounded)

Looks like LeBron is doing ok while kobe chokes it up :applause:

Kobes overall finals performance:

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

Look how terrible Kobe's numbers are (choking!!!)..... LeBrons overall finals performance in 2011:

10-11 47%.... Kobe only had ONE year better than this. Heck Kobe's second best year is 43%...fail!

Also in the Finals LeBron averaged more assists per game than Jason Kidd and almost as many rebounds as Tyson Chandler.

But Kobe blows EVERY finals EVERY SINGLE ONE except for once in 2002? and all the silly Kobe kids ignore that?... :facepalm

Im not a LeBron fan. But I do know that Kobe is overrated and for some reason LeBron gets some undeserved hate when he is a better player than Kobe.

Kobe's Final Stats are laughable. Biggest choker/chucker

I wouldn't have made this thread If it hadnt been for all the annoying Kobe kids spamming the forums the past few days. Go away! Kobe is Turrible we dont need to support terrible chuckers who dont improve in the playoffs and turn to jelly in the finals.... :no:

Once again no Kobe fan has come in here and backed Kobe up with any stats... As expected. :facepalm

LeBrons doing well. The only reason I see for the hate is that all the Kobe kids are scared. Im not a LeBron fan nor a Heat fan. But its easy to see LeBron is the better player who will see more finals perform at a higher level and win multiple championships.

Kobe has never had a regular season where he shot over 47%... :roll:

LeBron has all his seasons over 47% except for one (rookie season) :applause:

While destroying Kobe in shooting he beats him in the PPG category

Kobe career 25.3

LeBron James career 27.7

While destroying Kobe in scoring he beats Kobe in rebounds and assists

Kobe career 5.3/4.7 :roll:

LeBron James Career 7.1/7 :applause:

But the playoffs are what matter when you really step it up!!!!

Kobe:.......................LeBron:
2011: 23/3/3.......................24/8/6
2010: 29/6/6.......................29/9/8 on 50%
2009: 30/5/6.......................35/9/7 on 51%
2008: 30/6/6.......................28/8/8
2007: 33/5/4.......................25/8/8
2006: 28/6/6.......................31/8/6

Career averages:

Kobe: 25/5/5
LeBron: 28/8/7

LeBron beats Kobe even when comparing a better Kobe want to compare these two at the same stages of their career and see what really happens?

Kobe:.....................LeBron:
1999: 20/7/5..............2006: 31/8/6
2000: 21/5/4..............2007: 25/8/8
2001: 29/7/6..............2008: 28/8/8
2002: 27/6/5..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2003: 32/5/5..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2004: 25/5/6..............2011: 24/8/6

LeBron crushes Kobe.

Now If we are staying on topic and comparing choking jobs...In Kobes 2004 playoff run he shot 41% FG and 25% 3PT ... :roll:

LeBron shot 47% FG and 35% 3PT :applause:

So I guess its safe to say with all the information gained in this thread...

LeBrons' regular season > Kobe's

LeBron's postseason > Kobe's

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.

So once again where is the hate for LeBron coming from when Kobe is worse?

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.

Like i said im not e lebron fan but people need to lay off...i want him to lose every game he plays and i hate him and the heat lol but that doesnt change the fact that he pleysa some pretty good bball i just dont come here and talk about pointless shit about lebron like every1 else

Kobe- 5 rings
LeBron- 0 rings

How is Kobe a bigger choker than LeBron, especially when LeBron quit in game 5 of the 2010 ECF with a tied series at HOME and only scored 8 points in game 4 of the finals last year? Could you ever imagine Kobe or Jordan doing that?

Also, LeBron is far from the greatest player ever when he has no rings yet...

[spiegel]

The clown original poster has replied with 3 different ids in this thread.For christ sake mods, check the rocketsgreatness IP and ban him forever. Problem is if he gets banned probaly half the ids here will dissapear.

[IamRAMBO24]

Impact wins games, and lack of impact loses games, right? Like Lebron's lack of impact in crucial points of crucial games in the last 5 years?

While Kobe's lack of impact has helped him reach the NBA Finals three of the last four years. Interesting.

I won't argue with a person who is so deeply rooted in their delusion that they think Gervin or Wilkins is higher up in the All Time List than Kobe. I will say that it's a shame that individuals like you truly are lost in the realm of Lebron that you create and live in. But, it doesn't matter to me, just something to laugh at in passing like a dog eating it's own shit in the middle of a park. Unless Bron ends his career with 3+ rings, he will not be ranked higher than Kobe himself, particularly if his lack of "IMPACT" continues in critical moments and games. People will remember what Lebron DIDN'T do, before they recall what he DID do if his pattern of ineffectiveness in the crunch persists. The same way people's first thought of Lebron these days aren't his MVPs, but his transformation into Casper last June.

Well, rational people. So no, that doesn't refer to you. What DOES refer to you? ****boy supreme. Try breathing without Bron's scrotum shoved down your throat. You'll find the air tastes a bit cleaner.

I'm glad you are focusing on impact. I agree with you Kobe has had some success making the most impact on his team, like the 2 championships he won with Gasol. He didn't chuck up shots that much, got his teammates involved, and trusted Gasol, but this was uncharacteristic of Kobe and had he kept it up, I would understand your argument and accept it full heartedly.

As is, when we are talking about impact, we are talking about a player who makes his teammates better and is the leader on the team; as a leader, he gets open shots for his guys, plays both ends of the floor, and does the intangibles that wins games.

Rarely do I see this from Kobe.

Oftentimes, he tries too hard to dominate the ball and he has failed to encourage his teammates to play better than what they are truly capable of.

I rank Lebron over Kobe because he made stars out of scrubs while Kobe is making stars into scrubs.

That's the difference.

[LakersReign]

Character assassination (trying to say I am someone who I am not) and strawmans does not make your argument anymore legit.

If you are so versed in why your lover boy Kobe is so damn great, why can't you argue the premises I have laid out?

1. Kobe has failed to win MVP on a consistent basis based on the 3 criterias that make a player great.

2. Iceman, Wilkins, and Malone have proven to be better players based on those 3 criterias even though they have not won a ring.

3. When we are talking about how good a player is, a ring (which is a collective unit) and top ten highlights cannot be used to determine the talent of a player; the criteria should be impact, stats, and contribution along with awards such as MVP, FMVP, and all time records.

AND......just like dmavs, you're desperately trying to use misdirection, to try and change the subject, when you make yourself look stupid. The fact of the matter is you made some sh*t up to make it look like you know what you're talking about. Got challenged(which happens in ANY discussion), and IMMEDIATELY backpeddled cuz you know you made it up. And, again, just like damvs, you refuse to admit you were wrong, even when proven so by your own words. Simple as that.



Nice try....dmavs/iamrambo24/indirfan23/indiefan24:applause:



I rank Lebron over Kobe because he made stars out of scrubs while Kobe is making stars into scrubs.
That's the difference.

Are they the same "stars" that ALL Y'ALL threw under the bus when Lebron left Cleveland claiming they sucked?:facepalm



Try again:no:

[nathanjizzle]

blah blah blah blah blah, lebron is not the best player in the league, never was, never will be.

[pauk]

Heat have one of the top 3 records.... all i care about is how he will play in the playoffs, where it matters... all he needs is to get that ring...

Lebron does not need to prove anything else.... everything else he has done alot of..

[Bandito]

I rank Lebron over Kobe because he made stars out of scrubs while Kobe is making stars into scrubs.

That's the difference.Tell me one of those players that he supposedly made a star because I surely don't know who you're talking about. You are not talking about cavs players because last time I saw he was playing with scrubs over thre so I know you're not talking about them. Or maybe you're talking about Bosh and Wade..oh wait I forgot Bosh is q scrub averaging less than he did in the Raptors because Lebron made him better. GOAT for sure:bowdown:

[CardiacKemba]

Tell me one of those players that he supposedly made a star because I surely don't know who you're talking about. You are not talking about cavs players because last time I saw he was playing with scrubs over thre so I know you're not talking about them. Or maybe you're talking about Bosh and Wade..oh wait I forgot Bosh is q scrub averaging less than he did in the Raptors because Lebron made him better. GOAT for sure:bowdown:

He meant they were playing at star level when alongside him. When he left, their quality of play dropped. The open shots they were getting were closing. The passes they were making to a cutter were getting dropped. Etc etc. It doesn't take a nerd to realise that. It isn't bias. It's truth.

[coin24]

So Kobe was carried to his rings?

Lebron teamed up to form a super team and still couldn't win!:roll: :roll:


The sad thing is lebron has the athleticism and talent to be the best if he wanted. But, he chooses to coast and pad his stats, team up with other players to take off the pressure.. How can any of u respect that clown?
Hasn't worked on his game, goes missing in every close situation, you can bring up stats all you want but kobes career>>>>>>>>>>>>lebrons..

If the heat lose again this year lebron will be the biggest joke ever:oldlol:

[Doctor Rivers]

do you guys ever get tired of the lebron vs kobe argument?

[nathanjizzle]

why do lebron fans need to argue that hes the best player in the league and better than kobe when hes not. just accept the fact hes not the best and you wont need to argue the same shit over and over.

[Nash]

How predictable, 2 losses and Lebron is all of a sudden overrated, Miami is overrated, Lebron has never been the best player in the league and he's just average.

Between Durant and Lebron there is a legit discussion, but Lebron vs Kobe? Please..

The sad thing its that its always insecure Kobe fans that always go the hardest at Lebron. We get it, you don't like that he's getting all the attention. Whatever you say or claim won't change what people, coaches and experts think about Lebron's status. Now move on.

[dynasty1978]

basketball is played 45 mins

48*
Convenient that a Lebron stan would leave out the last 3.

[PJR]

Heat have one of the top 3 records.... all i care about is how he will play in the playoffs, where it matters... all he needs is to get that ring...

Lebron does not need to prove anything else.... everything else he has done alot of..

This. Looking forward to the postseason.

LeGod fan forever. Title or no title, one of the best to ever play. :bowdown:

[Mr. Jabbar]

OMG Kobe stans are f*ckin retarded.

Shaq won FMVP and MVP, so if Kobe is so goddamn great, then why didn't he win those awards?

Simple question.

The fact still remains, Lebron has more of an impact on the team he plays on than Kobe did; this is pure evident in the way the Heat is playing this year with Wade and Bosh being nothing more than sidekick b*tches and how much damage the Cavs took when he left them.

Kobe was Shaq's b*tch. FACT.

Besides being a biased blind clown, you obviously for get to mention the last 3 finals trips 2 chips and 2 fmvps.

[RRR3]

OP, just stop please

[Mr. Jabbar]

Who the f*ck is dmavs?

you. clown.

[White Mamba]

"Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game," Pippen said Friday on "Mike & Mike In The Morning" on ESPN Radio. "But I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:blah :blah :blah

[Mr. Jabbar]

48*
Convenient that a Lebron stan would leave out the last 3.


lmao

[Jameerthefear]

SunsCaptain = Pauk?

[TheAesirsFinest]

:facepalm

OP cannot possibly be a LeBron fan. He's trolling too hard and trying to make us look even worse. :mad:

[pegasus]

SunsCaptain = Pauk?

Definitely. His long ass post on the second page reeks of him.:lol

He also had evilmonkey and showtime accounts before. What a pathetic clown!:roll:

[RRR3]

:facepalm

OP cannot possibly be a LeBron fan. He's trolling too hard and trying to make us look even worse. :mad:
Correct. Pauk and LeBron23 already make us look pretty bad, though.:facepalm

[Stern]

Meh. Another lebron vs kobe thread.

[Indian guy]

Unite and then what? The guy's arguably playing the worst basketball of his career since turning superstar in '06 and his best days are clearly behind him. Those who think he's going to give them something to cheer about by season's end are living in some serious denial.

[RRR3]

Unite and then what? The guy's arguably playing the worst basketball of his career since turning superstar in '06 and his best days are clearly behind him. Those who think he's going to give them something to cheer about by season's end are living in some serious denial.
LeBron is the worst player in the NBA and the worst athlete in the history of the world. It's a miracle he scores at all.

[PTB Fan]

:biggums:

[AlphaWolf24]

Yes Nash was the best that year based on impact couple with seed. He also lead the league in assists, which covers the 3 criteria of the best that year while Kobe is not.

What you stans don't realize is impact is the most important criteria to use as a measurement for MVP.

Face it, Kobe is too limited in his ability to be an impact type of player; he shoots too much from the perimeter (which allows the defense to stick to their man and not rotate for the help) and he is not known as a pass first player (which again, allows the defense to not care about the passing lane), plus rarely does he play the fast break which makes the D hustle back on defense and lose their positioning allowing the team to score an easy bucket.

Lebron does those things because he is more of a team player, which draws the defense to help and opens his teammates, hence why he is in the MVP conversation every year.

IMPACT > Chucking up shots


Chucking>Impact/passing


Westbrook>Nash



Jordan>John Stockton





Kobe>Lebron


Kobe>MJ



deal wit it>Next

[RRR3]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TJ5i31O6jPw/SxXNSKxjVjI/AAAAAAAAAkE/VDR0SquBmi4/s1600/1661-hungry-dog-pic.jpg
aw....here you go, pup....
http://mydogfoodtips.com/feeding%20dog.jpg

[nbacardDOTnet]

Last night, Roy Hibbert raped lbj. :rockon:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Indiana%20Pacers/Roy%20Hibbert/vs%20lebron%20james/RoyHibbert-destroyed-lebron-james-20120326.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Indiana%20Pacers/Roy%20Hibbert/vs%20lebron%20james/RoyHibbert-destroyed-lebronjames.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Indiana%20Pacers/Roy%20Hibbert/vs%20lebron%20james/RoyHibbert-destroyed-lebronjames1.gif


http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/71792eda.gif

Larger Ver.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif

[CelticBaller]

bandwaggoners (former cavs fans) are funny :lol

[LoneyROY7]

LOL at pauk masquerading as a Suns' fan.

:coleman:

[DeathOfAutotune]

Lebron is the most hated hall of fame player of all time....wow....Now I want him to win a ring even more.

[PJR]

Lebron is the most hated hall of fame player of all time....wow....Now I want him to win a ring even more.

Yep.

[PickernRoller]

This is why Lebron will never be better than Kobe:
------------------

"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? f'ck it."

- Kobe Bryant

"Everyting negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise."

- Kobe Bryant

I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot.

- Kobe Bryant

What I'm doing right now, I'm chasing perfection... and if I don't get it, I'm going to get this close.

- Kobe Bryant

“I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber.”

- Kobe Bryant

There's been a lot of talk of me being a one-man show but that's simply not the case. We win games when I score 40 points and we've won when I score 10.

- Kobe Bryant

These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess.

-Kobe Bryant

I should get an assist for that. It's an intentional pass to oneself, so it's an assist. That way people can't say all I do is shoot.

-Kobe Bryant

--------------
Point being LBJ fans, the brain controls the body, the body doesn't control the brain......call me when LBJ starts thinking like a winner and not a pathetic looser.....guy's has disappeared in the most important moments of his career, how can he be a winner? The mindset and the ability to rise at the most important moments of a game is as important if not more important than the skills, talent that carry you over......

[SpecialQue]

Here

Stopped reading here.

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=PickernRoller]This is why Lebron will never be better than Kobe:

[B]"If you

[coin24]

Kobe fans move in packs :lol Too cowardly to face LeBron fans one-on-one


To be honest, I just can't be bothered arguing over lebron. How can his stans defend a player that doesn't even try to better himself??:confusedshrug:

He has all the talent and athleticism, but the brains of a 12 year old and the heart of a loser.. Get back to me when he shows up in the fourth qtr or actually wins something....

[Legends66NBA7]

OP, you still haven't articulately told us why George Gervin, Dominique Wilkins, and Karl Malone are over Kobe Bryant all-time.

I'm still waiting to read why.

[PickernRoller]

I see mods are at work on the thread ....how about closing it in the first place? Talk about late reflexes.....:facepalm

Thread wasn't going anywhere in the first page.

[LoneyROY7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_wnAUWpoJA

[Legends66NBA7]

Thread wasn't going anywhere in the first page.

I'm interested to see where it goes... just for the sole reason to see who else is above Kobe all-time with no rings.

[returnofthemack]

Here we have what is possibly the greatest player to ever step on the court (ask Scottie Pippen :rockon: ) and haters are coming out in droves like a pack of ugly hyenas to destroy this man.

I'm not even gonna hate on Rose, Durant, and even Kobe; I think all of them are legit players.

What you loser stans don't realize is it doesn't make Lebron a horrible player just because you have your lip firmly wrapped around your star player. No he doesn't suck because of a few games and his outside shot still needs work.

What I do know is he can explode to the basket, run the fast break, block, steal, and pass better than just about anybody.

So yea, keep on hating on him over clutch minutes (which is bullsh*t since basketball is played 45 mins, not 1) and blast him for going the Heat, in the end, no matter how many childish excuses you try to come up with as to why he sucks (LOL heard one time some noob said he sucks because he looks like a d*ck), Lebron is still one of the most talented player to ever play the game.

And that is something that you can't argue.


reasons i hate lebron

1. i hate his face

2 his strawberry mom

3 the way he fuked cleveland in the asz and gave us a poop stash with his big black cack and then pooped on our chest (cleveland steamer sanchez)

4. he stopped before he gave cleveland a championship like he promised. (men keep their word boys have no problem with going back on their word)

5. went to miami so he could ride d wade bigger donger to a ring.

6. hes bald

7. he cant stop talking about cleveland

8. his fans

9 he thinks hes gods gift to bball and hasnt won jack

10. hes a cupcake

[Jotaro Durant]

You're a joke of a poster.
my nikka u need a better picture of ida:biggums:

[Fudge]

So wait, this idiot has George Gervin ahead of Kobe on the all-time list?































































:kobe:

[Legends66NBA7]

So wait, this idiot has George Gervin ahead of Kobe on the all-time list?

Dominiquw Wilkins and Karl Malone, I suppose too... for more impact ?

:confusedshrug:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron fans are beyond stupid

Kobe - 5

Lebron - 0.000000000

next

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

For all the hate Lebron gets herein, the fact remains that he is a special player and, at the end of the day, will be deemed a top-5 SF of all time...maybe even top 2.

[Heavincent]

lol at how many alternate accounts pauk has :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

SunsCaptin wasn't pauk. I remember SunsCaptain from ESPN days, he was an annoying anti-Kobe troll in which 99% of his posts were on Kobe.

[TheSilentKiller]

48*
Convenient that a Lebron stan would leave out the last 3.

:lol

[TheMan]

Scottie said it dumbsh*t and I quoted him.
And then he got called on it from former team mates (Grant) and the rest of the basketball world and sheepishly took back his comments because they were retarded.

[hitmanyr2k]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/01/28/110128111449498876.gif

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif

This kind of illustrates my point of lack of skill in Lebron's game. His post game hasn't changed since his Cavs days. He'll back down, back down, but if he gets stuck with the defense in his lap he has no counter moves. No footwork. After 3 seasons all he has to show is that baseline fadeaway but now even that is starting to get predictable where defenders are crowding him and looking for the strip.

Then you look at what a skilled SF can do in the post. He can back someone down with a second defender in his lap but it doesn't matter when that player can counter the defense with skill. Quick ball fake, reverse pivot, reverse layup with the left hand to avoid the shot blocker and makes it look ****in easy.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3015/pippenlowblock3.gif

Sees the doubleteam coming on the post-up. No worries...spin away from it with a simple jumphook.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/653/pippenlowblock1.gif

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3221/pippenlowblockjumphook.gif


If your initial move gets cut off footwork, head/shoulder fakes can get you out of a jam...

Pivots into a doubleteam...head/shoulder fake x2, hold that pivot foot and dunk
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7462/pippenlowblockreplay.gif

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3368/pippenmulitpivotsonics.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9272/pippenlowblockshakecelt.gif


If Lebron ever incorporates this kind of fundamental and skill into this game hell may freeze over.

[hitmanyr2k]

And then he got called on it from former team mates (Grant) and the rest of the basketball world and sheepishly took back his comments because they were retarded.

Like I said before earlier in the thread. Pippen did himself a disservice with that dumb comment. Never mind Jordan, Lebron isn't even as skilled as Pippen :oldlol:

[pauk]

lol at how many alternate accounts pauk has :oldlol:

You are a ****ing idiot if you believe there is only one Lebron fan on this earth or one Lebron fan on ISH.... :rolleyes:

meanwhile... this place is infested with Kobetards/Lebron haters like you... so i dont care what is said around here about Lebron, not like you are some basketball fans, you are just Kobe/Laker fans, homers, blinded by lebron hatred... not like you bring sense/logic... not like you commend Lebron when he does something good.. ever... you are just spitting at him as soon as you get the chance.... you are just sitting in a dark corner while Lebron is dominating, hidden... soon as you see see an opening, you march out outta nowhere like cockroaches with your stupid comments... Lebrick this, Lequeen that...... and then run back to your hidding places when there is no Lebron material left to criticise.... GROW UP...

[pauk]

Question for the Lebron haters....

What is the agenda behind all your mindbogling comments?
I just could never figure it out.... i have narrowed it down to 3 possible agendas... which one is it?

1. Are you butthurt he is known by majority as the best player, but you dont want him to do be the best, so thats why you spit at him as soon as he fails?

2. You are a fan of another player... so its your natural instinct to at least ignore Lebron in honor of your favorite player?

3. You are from Cleveland.... and still not happy about him leaving?





I have noticed that most Lebron haters on this forum are also KOBE FANS......... which confuses the hell out of me.... what could the agenda be there? Its not like Lebron/Kobe are rivals....... its not like Kobe is a top 2 player in the NBA right now where Lebron & Kobe are battling for the "best player in the NBA" honor anymore? Lebron has chewed of Kobes superman cape long time ago.... so whats the deal here?

I dont understand really... could it be just as simple as you being mad because Kobe is not better than Lebron anymore? Well why dont you hate Durant and some others aswell? Im sure at least Durant has been better...........

[Fudge]

so i dont care what is said around here about Lebron
Wrong. :oldlol: You clearly care every time you respond in this thread.

As for the rest...


not like you are some basketball fans, you are just Kobe/Laker fans, homers, blinded by lebron hatred... not like you bring sense/logic... not like you commend Lebron when he does something good.. ever...
:cry:


you are just sitting in a dark corner while Lebron is dominating, hidden... soon as you see see an opening, you march out outta nowhere like cockroaches with your stupid comments... Lebrick this, Lequeen that...... and then run back to your hidding places when there is no Lebron material left to criticise.... GROW UP...
:cry:

[returnofthemack]

Question for the Lebron haters....

What is the agenda behind all your mindbogling comments?
I just could never figure it out.... i have narrowed it down to 3 possible agendas... which one is it?

1. Are you butthurt he is known by majority as the best player, but you dont want him to do be the best, so thats why you spit at him as soon as he fails?

2. You are a fan of another player... so its your natural instinct to at least ignore Lebron in honor of your favorite player?

3. You are from Cleveland.... and still not happy about him leaving?





I have noticed that most Lebron haters on this forum are also KOBE FANS......... which confuses the hell out of me.... what could the agenda be there? Its not like Lebron/Kobe are rivals....... its not like Kobe is a top 2 player in the NBA right now where Lebron & Kobe are battling for the "best player in the NBA" honor anymore? Lebron has chewed of Kobes superman cape long time ago.... so whats the deal here?

I dont understand really... could it be just as simple as you being mad because Kobe is not better than Lebron anymore? Well why dont you hate Durant and some others aswell? Im sure at least Durant has been better...........


i fall into catagory 3 and no i dont think kobe is bbal god. but i do hate lebron very much. pauk were you a fan of lebron before miami? if you have always been a fan of lebron what nba team is your hometown team?

[ganja0710]

i fall into catagory 3 and no i dont think kobe is bbal god. but i do hate lebron very much. pauk were you a fan of lebron before miami? if you have always been a fan of lebron what nba team is your hometown team?
He's European, he doesn't have a hometown team so he dickrides a certain player (guess which player?) and rides it hard until x player doesn't do so well. And if x player gets a lot of negative attention from ISH, he comes out from his little hole and throws a fit and assumes that every person that dislikes lebrons antics are Kobe fans. :oldlol: pretty conclusive. Trust me, we've been through this a billion times. Though, it never gets old. It's entertaining if you ask me. :oldlol:

[nbacardDOTnet]

I have noticed that most Lebron haters on this forum are also KOBE FANS.........

Didn't read except this part.

I have never been a KB fan, idiot.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/0%20bandwagoners/scumbag-pauk-insidehoops.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/0%20bandwagoners/pauk-universe.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Rajon%20Rondo/--1.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/rondodestroylebronjames.gif

If lbj (as heat and leader / but D-WADE is King of Miami as you know) wins 7-8 rings (as he promised) with Final MVPs ,
I will be able to respect lbj.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/Phong1.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/lebron-passed-again-dwyane-wade.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/crying%20baby/786f14f6.jpg


get a life, lbj bandwagoner.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/WADEs%20Lapdog/queenlebronjamesandDwyaneWade.gif

lol @ the best player of all-time

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/queenlebronjamesdimemag-march-2009-.jpg


Welcome to the "Real World".

The best choker of all-time through entire NBA history.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/20120112atNuggets-miami-heat-becauseof-weak-lebron-james-no4thQuarter.jpg


He's European, he doesn't have a hometown team so he dickrides a certain player (guess which player?) and rides it hard until x player doesn't do so well. And if x player gets a lot of negative attention from ISH, he comes out from his little hole and throws a fit and assumes that every person that dislikes lebrons antics are Kobe fans. pretty conclusive. Trust me, we've been through this a billion times. Though, it never gets old. It's entertaining if you ask me.

lol @ pauk so mad doe.

[STATUTORY]

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/01/28/110128111449498876.gif

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif


I love that lebron move where he switches pivot foot

what is that called again? :oldlol: :oldlol:

:facepalm

[SunsCaptain]

SunsCaptin wasn't pauk. I remember SunsCaptain from ESPN days, he was an annoying anti-Kobe troll in which 99% of his posts were on Kobe.

Hey my post are not about kobe or lebron on this forum except for the few times i back him because of all the hate he gets thrown his way despite him playing well.

They were on the old forum because there was just to much kobe troll son that forum....this 1 is more balanced but just has to much lebron hate here....

But thanks for realizing this isnt pauk.... Just shows the intelligence of the lebron trolls on this forum....

~illegalDanish

1 reason im not fan of kobe or lebron and dislike their fans....I find them all to be dumb...

But with that said I say we go back to basketball talk.......let the thread die

[nbacardDOTnet]

I love that lebron move where he switches pivot foot

what is that called again? :oldlol: :oldlol:

:facepalm


http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/lebron-james-crab-dribble.gif :lebron:

[G-train]

Lebron could win 3 titles and still be ragged on around here.
How many Kobe got again? And he still being ragged on.
Greatness attracts criticism from low lifes. And Lebron is a truly great player.

[Fudge]

We're not arguing that he isn't a great player. He will be. Possibly. But in order to be considered great, and live up to how much hype LBJ fans have for him, dude needs to step up when it matters. While he is a "great player" in your eyes, he isn't a winner in anybody elses.

[TheMan]

I don't hate LBJ, he is frustrating to watch because if he had half of the killer mentality other NBA legends have had, he would be racking up the rings. That's my main beef with him, not living up to the hype when it matterrs most. Hopefully he'll go MIA vs the Bulls this year once he sees the Bulls won't go easy and he gets challenged. I think that will make him crumble.

If you stand up and challenge Bron, he has a history of folding and that pisses me off as a hoops fan. As a Bulls fan, I love it though:lol:

[TheAesirsFinest]

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/01/28/110128111449498876.gif

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif

This kind of illustrates my point of lack of skill in Lebron's game. His post game hasn't changed since his Cavs days. He'll back down, back down, but if he gets stuck with the defense in his lap he has no counter moves. No footwork. After 3 seasons all he has to show is that baseline fadeaway but now even that is starting to get predictable where defenders are crowding him and looking for the strip.

Then you look at what a skilled SF can do in the post. He can back someone down with a second defender in his lap but it doesn't matter when that player can counter the defense with skill. Quick ball fake, reverse pivot, reverse layup with the left hand to avoid the shot blocker and makes it look ****in easy.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3015/pippenlowblock3.gif

Sees the doubleteam coming on the post-up. No worries...spin away from it with a simple jumphook.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/653/pippenlowblock1.gif

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3221/pippenlowblockjumphook.gif


If your initial move gets cut off footwork, head/shoulder fakes can get you out of a jam...

Pivots into a doubleteam...head/shoulder fake x2, hold that pivot foot and dunk
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7462/pippenlowblockreplay.gif

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3368/pippenmulitpivotsonics.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9272/pippenlowblockshakecelt.gif


If Lebron ever incorporates this kind of fundamental and skill into this game hell may freeze over.

:applause:

Awesome gifs + post man. Did you make them yourself, or is there a collection of these somewhere?

[Indian guy]

Pippen had developed an excellent post-game by 94-95. He had big man-like footwork. He's easily more skilled than LeBron down there and pretty much every other perimeter player today too. He needed to be as well. His face-up game wasn't half as potent LeBron's. Thus the massive gap in scoring and efficiency.

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/lebron-james-crab-dribble.gif



:roll:

[Living Being]

H...
Stopped right there.

:banana:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron fans unite

Stopped right there.

:dancin

[PickernRoller]

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[LakersReign]

Like they always do when they make themselves look stupid, OP got ghost real quick once his so called thread backfired. He macgyver'd it together with spit and duct tape, so it was bound to happen:roll:

[IamRAMBO24]

:facepalm

OP cannot possibly be a LeBron fan. He's trolling too hard and trying to make us look even worse. :mad:

WTF dumbsh*t. I have not heard a single legitimate argument when you bron fans try to defend him.

The conversation usually goes like this:

Lebron fan: Lebron is more athletic, passes better, plays better defense, makes his teammates better, has taken a scrub team with no HOF coach or legit stars to the finals, etc.

Kobe fan: he's got 5 rings.

Lebron fan: *WAAAAHHHHH* tears .. you win. Proceeds to bend over.

I'm sorry but you guys are f*ckin idiots, hence the reason why the Kobe stans are winning the argument in this forum.

If it's anything, I have already diverted the argument from rings to MVP and FMVP. We all know Lebron is better, but what you guys have failed to do time and time again is to attack the ring argument.

A ring is a team effort, thus it is not a true measurement of individual talent. If it was, then Kerr and Horry would be in the top 10 all time.

Fact is these Kobe stans are relying on a faulty premise because they cannot argue pound for pound exactly why he is better. You always here the same sh*t, "Kobe has 5 rings so stfu." They can't argue on raw talent nor can they explain why the supposedly greatest player of all time isn't even the greatest in 95% of the seasons he has played (he's only won MVP once). It took 12 f*ckin seasons btw. How pathetic.

You Lebron fans are just too pathetic to understand the fallacy and you fall for it over and over again with a thumb up your ass getting pawn over and over by Kobe stans with a weaker argument, so stfu, and let MR CONDUCTOR do the speaking f*ckin losers.

[IamRAMBO24]

Like they always do when they make themselves look stupid, OP got ghost real quick once his so called thread backfired. He macgyver'd it together with spit and duct tape, so it was bound to happen:roll:

I have not heard one seminal or intelligent response from you.

You have proven yourself as a child with purely ad hocs for your argument. A truely intelligent person well versed in the game would have a legit premise with supporting facts to back it up, but as is, your argument has resorted to nothing more than highschool childish bullsh*t name calling and personal insults.

You are too stupid to have a legit argument. FACT. Not worth my time.

[IamRAMBO24]

And then he got called on it from former team mates (Grant) and the rest of the basketball world and sheepishly took back his comments because they were retarded.

Scottie still said it dumbsh*t. Jordan's sidekick. Did he say it at all in Kobe's 15 seasons? No. He proclaimed it for Lebron.

How the f*ck can you discredit a more legit assessment?

Stupid. Fact is he said it. Scottie f*ckin sidekick Pippen.

[LakersReign]

I have not heard one seminal or intelligent response from you.

You have proven yourself as a child with purely ad hocs for your argument. A truely intelligent person well versed in the game would have a legit premise with supporting facts to back it up, but as is, your argument has resorted to nothing more than highschool childish bullsh*t name calling and personal insults.

You are too stupid to have a legit argument. FACT. Not worth my time.

Just gotta love it how he screams "fact" and then runs away acting like he did something. When he never bothered to provide any facts at all to back up what's obviously only his hater opinion. Throw out all the misdirection tactics you want to but the FACT is you said this:

That's an opinion.

You can say he has not won a championship. That's a fact.

This doesn't make him a loser. There are plenty of stars better than Kobe who has never won a championship.

and when asked to back it up with ACTUAL PROOF....you ran away. The FACT of the matter is, you CLEARLY do not know the difference between a THEORY(this pathetic so called thread based SOLELY on YOUR WON hater opinion, backed up with more of YOUR OWN hater opinion. Trying to fool people who don't know any better into believing you know what you're talking about, when it's clear you don't.) and FACTS(an argument that can be proven with ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE). You had no real argument here in the first place, so please continue trying to act like you did. Looking every bit as foolish as an idiot, trying to start a car with no gas. Thinking if he turns the key long enough and hard enough, it'll eventually start:lol

Oh, and by the way, I'm STILL waiting for you to tell me 5 "stars" better than Kobe who has never won a championship:sleeping

[IamRAMBO24]

Just gotta love it how he screams "fact" and then runs away acting like he did something. When he never bothered to provide any facts at all to back up what's obviously only his hater opinion. Throw out all the misdirection tactics you want to but the FACT is you said this:


and when asked to back it up with ACTUAL PROOF....you ran away. The FACT of the matter is, you CLEARLY do not know the difference between a THEORY(this pathetic so called thread based SOLELY on YOUR WON hater opinion, backed up with more of YOUR OWN hater opinion. Trying to fool people who don't know any better into believing you know what you're talking about, when it's clear you don't.) and FACTS(an argument that can be proven with ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE). You had no real argument here in the first place, so please continue trying to act like you did. Looking every bit as foolish as an idiot, trying to start a car with no gas. Thinking if he turns the key long enough and hard enough, it'll eventually start:lol

Oh, and by the way, I'm STILL waiting for you to tell me 5 "stars" better than Kobe who has never won a championship:sleeping
:sleeping

[IamRAMBO24]

LOL at you Laker stans trying so damn hard to make your case. I ask for Lebron fans to unite, but your insecurities just came out and assume I was hating on Kobe.

We can't even have a discussion appreciating the guy with sh*theads raining on the parade. This is pure evidence Kobe stans are a bunch of neurotic insecure children who truly don't believe he is the better player and are constantly doing everything in their power to sh*t on a player they feel is superior in everyway.

There wouldn't be this much hate if there was confidence in their position: a confident man does not hate something he knows his guy can overcome.

[LakersReign]

That's an opinion.

You can say he has not won a championship. That's a fact.

This doesn't make him a loser. There are plenty of stars better than Kobe who has never won a championship. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257333&page=6

AND......5 "stars" better than Kobe who have never won a championship are................?

[IamRAMBO24]

Chucking>Impact/passing


Westbrook>Nash



Jordan>John Stockton





Kobe>Lebron


Kobe>MJ



deal wit it>Next

Kobe > MJ

:facepalm

[IamRAMBO24]

You stans turn out to be losers in this thread.

Not only did you come in here to sh*t on a innocent thread merely appreciating a talented player, but now you are spouting delusional bullsh*t that has no merit in rational discourse.

There is a reason why Kobe fans are mainly restricted to geography.

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257333&page=6

AND......5 "stars" better than Kobe who have never won a championship are................?

Give it up loser, no matter how hard you try to somehow "win" the argument by throwing around a bunch of personal insults and stawmen, you are still stupid.

Show me one intelligent premise, something that proves me wrong. That's all I'm asking homie. You sound like your momma just threw a rap CD at you and told you to figure it out yourself. Dude you are just uneducated.

1 smart reply. That's all. Prove to me you are not really this f*ckin stupid.

No insults. No straws. Say something smart. Just 1 thing. You can do it.

[IamRAMBO24]

Rose and Durant fans > Kobe fans

The Rose/Durant crowd has shown class in this thread.

Kobe fans have acted like a bunch of little children picking a fight when there was none to begin with; they are way too insecure. They see the failure of Kobe to win MVP year and year out like the greats and they know deep down inside he had too much help to have the same level of impact as they had with their respective team.

The more Kobe falls, the more insecure they will be, thus lashing out like a bunch of nagging girls on their periods as their only legitimate form of argument.

5 rings they would rationalize to themselves, but 1 MVP; deep down inside they know Kobe isn't even good enough to win MVP every year, let alone be compared to legends who won it year in and year out.

With no further argument they would say 5 rings .. that is until someone brings up Horry's rings. The argument then turns to why rings no longer matters.

[swi7ch]

i like lebron. i think he's the best basketball player in the world today. what i don't like is during close games, his first instinct is to PASS. seriously, wtf is that? :facepalm:

[LakersReign]

Give it up loser, no matter how hard you try to somehow "win" the argument by throwing around a bunch of personal insults and stawmen, you are still stupid.

Show me one intelligent premise, something that proves me wrong. That's all I'm asking homie. You sound like your momma just threw a rap CD at you and told you to figure it out yourself. Dude you are just uneducated.

1 smart reply. That's all. Prove to me you are not really this f*ckin stupid.

No insults. No straws. Say something smart. Just 1 thing. You can do it.

Guess we can't all be as "intelligent" as you, stating something like this:

That's an opinion.

You can say he has not won a championship. That's a fact.

This doesn't make him a loser. There are plenty of stars better than Kobe who has never won a championship.

like it's a fact(argument that can be verified with ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE):, but then when asked to verify it, like normal people do in a discussion(process where both pros and cons of ANY issues are analyzed), you run away, proving you made it all up to begin with....right?!:facepalm

[Mr. Jabbar]

A truely intelligent person well versed in the game would have a legit premise with supporting facts to back it up, but as is, your argument has resorted to nothing more than highschool childish bullsh*t name calling and personal insults.



We are all in for reading your in depth analysis on why there are 5 better players than kobe who never actually won a ring. You could start with the "iceman". :oldlol:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Rose and Durant fans > Kobe fans

The Rose/Durant crowd has shown class in this thread.

Kobe fans have acted like a bunch of little children picking a fight when there was none to begin with; they are way too insecure. They see the failure of Kobe to win MVP year and year out like the greats and they know deep down inside he had too much help to have the same level of impact as they had with their respective team.

The more Kobe falls, the more insecure they will be, thus lashing out like a bunch of nagging girls on their periods as their only legitimate form of argument.

5 rings they would rationalize to themselves, but 1 MVP; deep down inside they know Kobe isn't even good enough to win MVP every year, let alone be compared to legends who won it year in and year out.

With no further argument they would say 5 rings .. that is until someone brings up Horry's rings. The argument then turns to why rings no longer matters.
This thread is not working out for you.
Perhaps you should try a different thread?

[LakersReign]

We are all in for reading your in depth analysis on why there are 5 better players than kobe who never actually won a ring. You could start with the "iceman". :oldlol:

Yeah....the same "iceman" who NEVER made it to either the ABA or NBA Finals. But according to that idiot dmavs/iamrambo24, he's supposedly better than Kobe. And as far as the rest of his so called list goes, as far as scoring and impact, Karl Malone got the majority of his touches off John Stockton. And anybody who actually watched Jazz games hear the announcer with the famous phrase "Stockton to Malone," which made the Pick and Roll famous. So to include ONLY Malone on a so called list WITHOUT Stockton is ludicrous, and wreaks of an agenda.:no:

Just like I said multiple times in this thread, the moron made the whole thing up, trying to pass it off as fact. Then when I challenged him on it, the absolute best he could do was either respond with pathetic so called insults(more proof that he did indeed make it up), while the whole time, trying to call out other people for supposedly responding with insults, or a smiley like the idiot he clearly is.:roll:

[TheMan]

Scottie still said it dumbsh*t. Jordan's sidekick. Did he say it at all in Kobe's 15 seasons? No. He proclaimed it for Lebron.

How the f*ck can you discredit a more legit assessment?

Stupid. Fact is he said it. Scottie f*ckin sidekick Pippen.
So if Scottie Pippen says it, it must be true while 99% of the NBA world thinks otherwise, including former MJ team mates...

I'll go with the majority and my own eyes, thank you.

[PJR]

Lakersreign stop posting, nobody cares what you think. Even laker fans think you're a loser.

[TheMan]

i like lebron. i think he's the best basketball player in the world today. what i don't like is during close games, his first instinct is to PASS. seriously, wtf is that? :facepalm:
For those who say LBJ is more Magic than MJ (I agree), Magic took game winning shots in the biggest moments, he was like "fukk it, I'm taking the last shot"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJiGMFmVHO8

and it doesn't even include the baby sky hook j he hit vs the Celtics in the Finals...point is, Magic facilitated for most of the game but would take over in crunch time, like NBA legends should do.

[Shade8780]

Fixed

Here we have what is possibly the greatest player to ever step on the court (ask Derrick Rose :rockon: ) and haters are coming out in droves like a pack of ugly hyenas to destroy this man.

I'm not even gonna hate on LeBron, Durant, and even Kobe; I think all of them are legit players.

What you loser stans don't realize is it doesn't make Scalabrine a horrible player just because you have your lip firmly wrapped around your star player. No he doesn't suck because of a few games and his outside shot is not Ray Allen like.

What I do know is he can explode to the basket, run the fast break, block, steal, and pass better than just about anybody.

So yea, keep on hating on him over his hair colour (which is bullsh*t since he was born like that) and blast him for going the Bulls, in the end, no matter how many childish excuses you try to come up with as to why he sucks (LOL heard one time some noob said he sucks because he looks like a d*ck), Brian Scalabrine is still the most talented player to ever play the game.

And that is something that you can't argue.

[LakersReign]

For those who say LBJ is more Magic than MJ (I agree), Magic took game winning shots in the biggest moments, he was like "fukk it, I'm taking the last shot"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJiGMFmVHO8

and it doesn't even include the baby sky hook j he hit vs the Celtics in the Finals...point is, Magic facilitated for most of the game but would take over in crunch time, like NBA legends should do.

Lebron is nothing like MJ or even Magic for that matter. Magic had no problem coming to the Lakers and playing sidekick to Kareem, til his time came to take over the Lakers. When that time came, he stepped up and delivered, was never afraid to do so. Magic was known for his assists also, but he never passed up a game winner. Unlike Magic, Lebron's problem is he has way too big of an ego to play sidekick.

[TheMan]

Lebron is nothing like MJ or even Magic for that matter. Magic had no problem coming to the Lakers and playing sidekick to Kareem, til his time came to take over the Lakers. When that time came, he stepped up and delivered, was never afraid to do so. Magic was known for his assists also, but he never passed up a game winner. Unlike Magic, Lebron's problem is he has way too big of an ego to play sidekick.
Thank you for repeating what I wrote.

LBJ DID go to Miami to become Wade's sidekick...

[LakersReign]

Thank you for repeating what I wrote.

LBJ DID go to Miami to become Wade's sidekick...


I completely agree with you. But the Lebronytes seem to be operating under the delusion that the minute the Heat signed Lebron, the Heat somehow became Lebron's team. And they're basing this on the theory that Lebron is supposedly the best player on the Heat, therefore the Heat is his team.

[Kingwillball]

Thank you for repeating what I wrote.

LBJ DID go to Miami to become Wade's sidekick...


My Argument how can U be a Sidekick if U are the BETTER Player which Lebron is.. Dont make sense to me.

[SwooshReturns]

My Argument how can U be a Sidekick if U are the BETTER Player which Lebron is.. Dont make sense to me.
But he isn't ... if the guy puts up the same numbers you do, and in context is actually a better player against better defenses, how do you argue one being significantly better than the other?

[LakersReign]

My Argument how can U be a Sidekick if U are the BETTER Player which Lebron is.. Dont make sense to me.


You seem to be forgetting Wade was the one who convinced Bosh and Lebron to come to the Heat, not the other way around. What makes no sense is for Lebron to jump ship from HIS TEAM the Cavs, and go to WADE'S TEAM, and have Lebronytes then claim the Heat as Lebron's team. THAT makes no sense.:no:

[TheMan]

My Argument how can U be a Sidekick if U are the BETTER Player which Lebron is.. Dont make sense to me.
Simple, LBJ>Wade but LBJ WENT to Wade's team, Wade didn't go to the Cavs...Wade has a ring, LBJ doesn't.

To me, this is one of the main reasons LBJ isn't as aggresive in crunch time, he defers to Wade too much instead of taking over like he did as a Cavalier where he was clearly the first option. Wade is one of the best players in the league but THE best player in the league should be taking over.

[Simple Jack]

Funny how fast people forget or simply choose to disregard the history of the NBA. Anyone care to comment on Moses Malone? Anyone even aware of his career?

[IamRAMBO24]

We are all in for reading your in depth analysis on why there are 5 better players than kobe who never actually won a ring. You could start with the "iceman". :oldlol:

Little kids like you have never seen the Iceman play. He was the most prolific offensive SG of his time, unlike Kobe, and was the best at what he did: scoring.

The only player to ever win 3 scoring titles in a row. Could score anywhere, anytime on anyone. The only player in history to score 63 in 33 mins (could of beaten 81 if he played 40+) and holds the record of 33 for a single quarter. He didn't just shoot the ball, he created a new shot (finger roll) and practically rolled it at the mid range. He shot .500+ consistently and in one season reached .540 with 33 ppg. Kobe can't even get to .470.

How many scoring titles have Kobe won? The guy can't even dominate in the one area he prides himself on.

The bottomline is pound for pound Gervin was more of a beast than Kobe was at the SG position. He was easily the best offensive player in the league during his time while Kobe isn't even the best at what he prides himself on doing: scoring. He needs way too many shots to score big and he has only 2 scoring titles in his 15 year career.

So IMO he is better at Kobe for dominating the position he played; he was not only more efficient but simply the best scoring machine for his time, plus he created the finger roll (which today still has not been emulated correctly) while Kobe has failed to carve his own persona and dominate the position year in and year out.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Little kids like you have never seen the Iceman play. He was the most prolific offensive SG of his time, unlike Kobe, and was the best at what he did: scoring.

The only player to ever win 3 scoring titles in a row. Could score anywhere, anytime on anyone. The only player in history to score 63 in 33 mins (could of beaten 81 if he played 40+) and holds the record of 33 for a single quarter. He didn't just shoot the ball, he created a new shot (finger roll) and practically rolled it at the mid range. He shot .500+ consistently and in one season reached .540 with 33 ppg. Kobe can't even get to .470.

How many scoring titles have Kobe won? The guy can't even dominate in the one area he prides himself on.

The bottomline is pound for pound Gervin was more of a beast than Kobe was at the SG position. He was easily the best offensive player in the league during his time while Kobe isn't even the best at what he prides himself on doing: scoring. He needs way too many shots to score big and he has only 2 scoring titles in his 15 year career.

So IMO he is better at Kobe for dominating the position he played; he was not only more efficient but simply the best scoring machine for his time, plus he created the finger roll (which today still has not been emulated correctly) while Kobe has failed to carve his own persona and dominate the position year in and year out.
so, now you are saying that Kobe was not even good a scoring? :banghead:
I don't know if you ever had any credibility around here, but you don't now.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Little kids like you have never seen the Iceman play. He was the most prolific offensive SG of his time, unlike Kobe, and was the best at what he did: scoring.

The only player to ever win 3 scoring titles in a row. Could score anywhere, anytime on anyone. The only player in history to score 63 in 33 mins (could of beaten 81 if he played 40+) and holds the record of 33 for a single quarter. He didn't just shoot the ball, he created a new shot (finger roll) and practically rolled it at the mid range. He shot .500+ consistently and in one season reached .540 with 33 ppg. Kobe can't even get to .470.

How many scoring titles have Kobe won? The guy can't even dominate in the one area he prides himself on.

The bottomline is pound for pound Gervin was more of a beast than Kobe was at the SG position. He was easily the best offensive player in the league during his time while Kobe isn't even the best at what he prides himself on doing: scoring. He needs way too many shots to score big and he has only 2 scoring titles in his 15 year career.

So IMO he is better at Kobe for dominating the position he played; he was not only more efficient but simply the best scoring machine for his time, plus he created the finger roll (which today still has not been emulated correctly) while Kobe has failed to carve his own persona and dominate the position year in and year out.
Oh, and by the way, Gervin was truly great. Great great player.
But he only played 10 seasons, was a horrible 3-pt shooter, and averaged almost HALF as many assists as Kobe.

[IamRAMBO24]

So let's assess which player is truely better based on the 3 criterias: impact, stats, seed

Impact

Reached the western conference finals with a team full of scrubs. Only 2 other players on that team could score in double digits while the Iceman won the scoring title. He was not only the best player on his team but the best scoring guard in the league at the time. His impact was tremendous which by far beats out Kobe who had a stacked team and least 1 or more all star player helping him out.

Stats


Lead the league in scoring 4 times in his first 5 seasons while Kobe can only do it 2 times in 15 seasons.

Seed

Was a regular in the WCF, so his team has won enough for him to be in the running for MVP status year in and year out. Although Kobe's seeding has placed him very high, his lack of impact on the team compare to the iceman devalues this criteria. The best players Gervin have ever played with was Mike Mitchell and Gene Banks; this is a far cry from the likes of Shaq, Gasol, Bynum, Artest, and even Odom.

[IamRAMBO24]

so, now you are saying that Kobe was not even good a scoring? :banghead:
I don't know if you ever had any credibility around here, but you don't now.

No I said Kobe has failed to win the scoring title year in and year out. He has only won 2 out of 15 seasons.

Gervin won 4 out of 10 seasons and scored 28,350 points (including the ABA), so at that rate, had he played 20 seasons like Kareem, he would of scored 40,000+ points and easily became the greatest all time scorer in the history of the NBA.

Kobe is a good scorer, but he simply is not dominating; I mean to dominate you have to score the most points at the best efficiency; if Kobe can't even do what he does best against the players of today, how can you even compare him to the legends who dominated this position in their era?

Jordan and Wilt were both scoring beasts, and guess what, they had the scoring titles to show for. Kobe had a problem with Iverson, then another year, Mcgrady, then Lebron started scoring, and now Durant.

There was no question the Iceman, Jordan, and Wilt were the best scorers of their time. Don't straw my argument to something else other than what it is.

[IamRAMBO24]

Thank you for repeating what I wrote.

LBJ DID go to Miami to become Wade's sidekick...

That was the original intention, but greatness usually has a way of dominating. The Heat is slowly turning into Lebron's turf.

[IamRAMBO24]

Notice how Lakersreign runs away when he's faced with a legit argument?

[nbacardDOTnet]

Lebron fans are beyond stupid

Lebron - 0.000000000


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[Nick Young]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep-9sSKa0RA

[IamRAMBO24]

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You Kobe stans can point to rings as your only argument as to why he is better but I can easily counter that with one legit rebuttal: Robert F*ckin Horry.

That's right.

He's got more rings, so if that is the only argument you can hold onto, then Horry is better than Kobe.

"You mad?"

You ebonics? F*ckin grammar handicap idiots.

[Lebron23]

Notice how Lakersreign runs away when he's faced with a legit argument?

It's not his fault he's mentally challenged. The kid thinks that he's the Rock.

[Nick Young]

http://www.lebronposters.com/product-images/AMACAARQ-P669418.jpg

You Kobe stans can point to rings as your only argument as to why he is better but I can easily counter that with one legit rebuttal: Robert F*ckin Horry.

That's right.

He's got more rings, so if that is the only argument you can hold onto, then Horry is better than Kobe.

"You mad?"

You ebonics? F*ckin grammar handicap idiots.
Regular season awards over rings and finals MVPs.

Lebron:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Lebron23]

Iamrambo24 is a one man army. http://www.starsandpopcorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Rambo-just-doing-what-he-always-does.jpg


http://www.geekstir.com/img/rambokills.jpg

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Iamrambo24 is pwning the Kobestans since April 2007!!!

[IamRAMBO24]

Regular season awards over rings and finals MVPs.

Lebron:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

No.

Again, if all you can throw out is the ring argument, then how am I illogical by saying Horry is better than Kobe based on that?

MVP is hands down the most important determinant of individual performance. It has the most concrete measurement of individual performance: impact, stats, seed.

There are too many variables in a ring. It is more of a team contribution since every player, including coach and down to the nutritionist, has a role, so saying Kobe is pound for pound better is a fallacious argument.

The better player has to be better in the following categories: impact, stats, seed. Period.

[IamRAMBO24]

FMVP is of course important, but even that falls behind MVP.

All a player needs is a weak matchup in the finals (like Billups winning FMVP but not necessarily the best) and a really good damn team to win FMVP, so this does not accurately measure individual performance in it's full scope.

MVP measures the weight of a player against ALL TEAMS AND ALL MATCHUPS while FMVP weighs only 1 team and 1 matchup.

It is important don't get me wrong, but legends like MJ, Russell, Kareem, etc. were consider great based on their MVPs, and not just merely their rings. There are many players who won rings but never even considered "great" because they have failed to win MVP.

Kobe has only won 1 in 15 seasons. He simply can't be compared to the legends when he has failed to even be the best year in and year out amongst the players today.

You can win multiple rings and not even be consdered all time greats, but if you win MVP, you'll be included in the conversation like Malone, Barkley, Unseld etc, in fact, there is not ONE PLAYER who is not, but I can name a ton who has won rings who aren't even consider greats.

[Simple Jack]

Gervin is not better than Beans. The fact that you are trying to rationalize it deserves some acknowledgement though, I guess.

[Fudge]

http://www.lebronposters.com/product-images/AMACAARQ-P669418.jpg

You Kobe stans can point to rings as your only argument as to why he is better but I can easily counter that with one legit rebuttal: Robert F*ckin Horry.

That's right.

He's got more rings, so if that is the only argument you can hold onto, then Horry is better than Kobe.

"You mad?"

You ebonics? F*ckin grammar handicap idiots.
:roll:

[IamRAMBO24]

Gervin is not better than Beans. The fact that you are trying to rationalize it deserves some acknowledgement though, I guess.

It's a hypothetical to compare players from different eras to one another: rules change, HGH, etc.

Based on the kind of impact Gervin had on his era, he closely resembles Jordan moreso than Kobe in the kind of dominance he had. The guy won 4 scoring titles in his first 5 seasons, scored 63 in 33 minutes, holds the record for most points in a single quarter, etc.

He wasn't just the best shooting guard in his era, he also took a team full of scrubs (only 2 players were able to score more than 10) to the conference finals and finals; he had a shot that was pretty much unstoppable: imagine a layup that gets flick 3 feet up in the air at the highest vertical of a 6'8 guard. That is a Kareem shot. His finger roll still has not been emulated today.

Kobe is of course rated higher because of rings, but pound for pound Gervin did more for the shooting guard than Kobe did. He developed his game at the mid-range which later influenced Jordan and other guards.

[Simple Jack]

You're focusing on one part of the game. Kobe is clearly a better playmaker and defender while their offensive impact being somewhat arguable, although I still think Kobe is overall the better offensive player. Regardless, defense and playmaking simply can't be brushed off in this type of discussion.

[ganja0710]

FMVP is of course important, but even that falls behind MVP.

All a player needs is a weak matchup in the finals (like Billups winning FMVP but not necessarily the best) and a really good damn team to win FMVP, so this does not accurately measure individual performance in it's full scope.

MVP measures the weight of a player against ALL TEAMS AND ALL MATCHUPS while FMVP weighs only 1 team and 1 matchup.

It is important don't get me wrong, but legends like MJ, Russell, Kareem, etc. were consider great based on their MVPs, and not just merely their rings. There are many players who won rings but never even considered "great" because they have failed to win MVP.

Kobe has only won 1 in 15 seasons. He simply can't be compared to the legends when he has failed to even be the best year in and year out amongst the players today.

You can win multiple rings and not even be consdered all time greats, but if you win MVP, you'll be included in the conversation like Malone, Barkley, Unseld etc, in fact, there is not ONE PLAYER who is not, but I can name a ton who has won rings who aren't even consider greats.
I want whatever youre smoking bro. Pass it up. :biggums:

[LakersReign]

That's an opinion.

You can say he has not won a championship. That's a fact.

This doesn't make him a loser. There are plenty of stars better than Kobe who has never won a championship.


AND......5 "stars" better than Kobe who never won a championship are..........?

Oh yeah....that's right....I forgot, you named 3 one of which George "Iceman" Gervin who NEVER made it to the ABA or NBA Finals. Then it was Karl Malone, who got most of his passes off John Stockton, but yet you ONLY rate Malone on impact and NOT Stockton. And if you had any real idea of what you were talking about, you would've rated BOTH on impact of a game:roll:

Notice how he STILL can't answer the question straight up. But then TRIES to call out other people supposedly running away:lol

I'm STILL waiting.................:sleeping

[Faptastrophe]

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/150/f/2010/189/d/f/trollface_by_deniskaPWNZ.png


Lakers fans are gonna try to troll shit out of this thread in the upcoming days :D http://i.imgur.com/LrV0K.png

On topic:
I love how scary good Lebron is now in post. He had that running hook, and then that turnaround off the glass. He's busting out new post moves every game, it seems. And it's generally been extremely effective.

[IamRAMBO24]

Laker's fans are kinda quiet these days. :oldlol:

[IamRAMBO24]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Bookmarks for the annual playoff or finals meltdown:oldlol:

Bookmark this idiot for being an idiot.

[305Baller]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=9575&dateline=1333393600

You won here.

[Dictator]

Pippen in first 3peat
20.9P 8.9R 7.4A 45.6%FG 4.1TO

Lebron James - 2007 & 2011 NBA Finals
19.5 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.8 apg, 41.7%FG, 4.7TO

Pau Gasol - 2009 & 2010 NBA Finals
18.6 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 3.1 apg, 52.7%FG, 2.3 bpg, 1.5 TO

Oh sh*t:lol :oldlol: :roll: :lol

[Dwyane Rose]

H

stopped reading there

[The-Legend-24]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/lebron-james-crab-dribble.gif :lebron:
:roll: :roll: :roll: I'm f*king dying right now.

[Dictator]

Kobe > Lebron

[PJR]

Kobe > Lebron

At what? Riding coattails of elite big men?

[KingBeasley08]

Kobe > Lebron
ya lebron used to be a lot better but these last 2 seasons, kobes become a much better fisher. probably better than lebron now