Kobe Bryant - Patented Fade-away (MIX)

[Bladers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV_JpwFp9jA

Some of Kobe Bryant's greatest Fadeaways.

Its amazing that the Fade-away will be a lost art when this dude retires.:(

[Bladers]

Anyone notice on Kobe's patented fade-away, he completely fades while jordan doesnt?

It looks like Jordan is doing half fadeaway compared to kobe.

[mattvNJ]

videos amazing, some of the control he has is just unreal

[Nevaeh]

Anyone notice on Kobe's patented fade-away, he completely fades while jordan doesnt?

It looks like Jordan is doing half fadeaway compared to kobe.

That's why Jordan makes more of them. He gets them off without allowing opponents to get their hands completely in his face like Kobe does. Plus, Jordan is always quicker when he spins into his Fade Aways as well.

[brandonislegend]

I wish I could add that to my arsenal I make it sometimes but he does it so easily

so nice

[NumberSix]

Bladers

[White Mamba]

how great is....:oldlol:

:applause:

[Bladers]

That's why Jordan makes more of them. He gets them off without allowing opponents to get their hands completely in his face like Kobe does. Plus, Jordan is always quicker when he spins into his Fade Aways as well.

Nah I meant in the sense that Kobe fully patented it while Jordan didn't.

Basically every shot Kobe takes in the perimeter is a fadeaway, whether its close to the basket, mid-range, or threes.

Its all fade-aways.

[inclinerator]

I wish I could add that to my arsenal I make it sometimes but he does it so easily

so nice
thats why he's a pro and one of the greatest of all time

[Bladers]

videos amazing, some of the control he has is just unreal


I know right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz0SUpcLCOw#t=0m44s

Like right there. the quick spin and the fade away...

Allen didn't know what hit him. :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1oSlUb49Xs#t=0m20s

He did the same thing to dallas too, his defender just said... "**** it" :lol

[OldSchoolBBall]

Anyone notice on Kobe's patented fade-away, he completely fades while jordan doesnt?

It looks like Jordan is doing half fadeaway compared to kobe.

What a joke. :oldlol: Also, lol @ "Kobe's patented fadeaway" when Jordan patented it way before him. Try again, son.

[HylianNightmare]

good video, truly exhibits some of the move's i'd love to have

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

soundtrack is massive fail.

[Nevaeh]

What a joke. :oldlol: Also, lol @ "Kobe's patented fadeaway" when Jordan patented it way before him. Try again, son.

I was actually trying to be nice, and give him the benefit of the doubt. But yeah, 96 MJ had that shot pretty much on lock.
:oldlol:

[Kiarip]

What a joke. :oldlol: Also, lol @ "Kobe's patented fadeaway" when Jordan patented it way before him. Try again, son.

They're different shots. Jordan got more elevation, didn't lean back as much, etc.

[Da_Realist]

What a joke. :oldlol: Also, lol @ "Kobe's patented fadeaway" when Jordan patented it way before him. Try again, son.

You know MJ had to be mentioned at some point or only about 3 people would care.

[NumberSix]

Jordan's fade away >>>>>> Kobe's fade away, but you don't hear me though.

[SunsCaptain]

Kobe mises the shot more that he makes it....a lot more

1 reason his % is always so low

[NumberSix]

Kobe mises the shot more that he makes it....a lot more

1 reason his % is always so low
THIS!!! But you don't hear me though.

[ImmortalD24]

Same song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZczejHLBaG4

:oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

Jordan's fade away >>>>>> Kobe's fade away, but you don't hear me though.


never..

Kobes reverse pound pivot is untouchable...that is a Kobe patented move that MJ never had...

Kobe's baseline fade is also on another level then Jordan's...

Kobe's reverse pivot after a upfake is also much better and more asthetically pleasing.

please Jordan stans...GTFO..your basketball illiteracy poison's the basketball forum 1 post at a time.

[NumberSix]

never..

Kobes reverse pound pivot is untouchable...that is a Kobe patented move that MJ never had...

Kobe's baseline fade is also on another level then Jordan's...

Kobe's reverse pivot after a upfake is also much better and more asthetically pleasing.

please Jordan stans...GTFO..your basketball illiteracy poison's the basketball forum 1 post at a time.
Did I not just tell you that you don't hear me though???:hammerhead:

Smarten up.

[AlphaWolf24]

Did I not just tell you that you don't hear me though???:hammerhead:

Smarten up.


hey Bladers log on so we can both here!...

it's all a conspiracy...

it's just really 2 people on ISH:lol

[OldSchoolBBall]

They're different shots. Jordan got more elevation, didn't lean back as much, etc.

Except that that's not true at all. In fact, Jordan faded futher than Kobe on his fadeaways.

[OldSchoolBBall]

never..

Kobes reverse pound pivot is untouchable...that is a Kobe patented move that MJ never had...

Kobe's baseline fade is also on another level then Jordan's...

Kobe's reverse pivot after a upfake is also much better and more asthetically pleasing.

please Jordan stans...GTFO..your basketball illiteracy poison's the basketball forum 1 post at a time.

What is a reverse pound pivot? lol @ the second claim btw :oldlol:

[ImmortalD24]

Did I not just tell you that you don't hear me though???:hammerhead:
They're not the same person.

[eliteballer]

People have been doing fadeways before Jordan or Kobe

[NumberSix]

hey Bladers log on so we can both here!...

it's all a conspiracy...

it's just really 2 people on ISH:lol
Now you're listening. I told you that you didn't hear me though:applause: .

[eliteballer]

Ive seen Jordan do reverse pivot, not as smooth as Kobe though

[NumberSix]

They're not the same person.
Damn bruh, you REALLY don't hear me though. WHo did I accuse of being the same person? All I said was he didn't hear me though, which he agreed to.

[Bladers]

Except that that's not true at all. In fact, Jordan faded futher than Kobe on his fadeaways.

lol watch the video son, its all right there for you!:facepalm

[NumberSix]

lol watch the video son, its all right there for you!:facepalm
Bladers, but you don't hear me though

[lilbeastnani]

It's funny because Kobe dribbles for days sometimes and yet the defender still is able to get a hand in his face. It's almost like he HAS to fade away just to get his shot off. Whereas Jordan took it in the paint a lot more early in his career and developed the fadeaway when he started losing his athleticism.

[ImmortalD24]

People have been doing fadeways before Jordan or Kobe
Yep. In another thread, there was a mix of a player posted by jlauder (I believe), and said 60's player did the "Dirk" before Dirk.

The same people who think Jordan invented the fadeaway are the same people who believe Jordan invented the fist-pump(when in reality, it's been used countless times in many sports).

or this:

http://i41.tinypic.com/25hk10p.jpg

[NumberSix]

Jordan used the fade away out of necessity to quickly score over taller guys in the post. Kobe uses it because he thinks it makes him look cool......


... but you don't hear me though.

[lilbeastnani]

Jordan used the fade away out of necessity to quickly score over taller guys in the post. Kobe uses it because he thinks it makes him look cool......


... but you don't hear me though.
seriously though, I totally agree. Style points for Kobe, he uses it it so many scenarios where it's not even needed.

[gengiskhan]

never..

Kobes reverse pound pivot is untouchable...that is a Kobe patented move that MJ never had...

Kobe's baseline fade is also on another level then Jordan's...

Kobe's reverse pivot after a upfake is also much better and more asthetically pleasing.

please Jordan stans...GTFO..your basketball illiteracy poison's the basketball forum 1 post at a time.

another kobe'tard on kobe's nuts sucking them hard.

Jerry West invented fadeaway

MJ re-invented & perfected so called "patented" fadeaway to a point it can never be re-re-invented ever in the history of NBA. whole '90s MJ 1990-1998 MJ lived off fadeaway. fade backs, weak side, strong side. off the pick. off the turn. stop on the dime. fade sideways. fade back. KOBE NEVER HAD THIS MJ ARSENAL. . etc etc.

Kobe merely copied certain aspects of MJ fadeaway.

Next....

[ImmortalD24]

It's funny because Kobe dribbles for days sometimes and yet the defender still is able to get a hand in his face. It's almost like he HAS to fade away just to get his shot off. Whereas Jordan took it in the paint a lot more early in his career and developed the fadeaway when he started losing his athleticism. Against long athletic defenders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni7t4swtdYw

[SunsCaptain]

seriously though, I totally agree. Style points for Kobe, he uses it it so many scenarios where it's not even needed.

I think he does this because his arsenal is smaller than people think. He has a hard time getting shots off aginst his defender so he resorts to this low % shot to try and get points.

[gengiskhan]

seriously though, I totally agree. Style points for Kobe, he uses it it so many scenarios where it's not even needed.

this.

Kobe just does this to look "cool" & out of MJ complex.

I've seen kobe shoot fadeaway when there is no defense on him.

Kobe NEVER really fades & covers enough feet in his fade.

MJ always faded like 2 feet.

Kobe barely fades inches.

[eliteballer]

Jordan doesnt get higher, are you lames crazy

http://www.pugetsoundoff.org/files/files/imagecache/full-size/u1139/Kobe%20Bryant2.jpg

http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/148/2febfbcc67b046e0a7088bd5129bf2c1/l.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R_V68KZWUEw/STi6V9F4QHI/AAAAAAAAAAM/HcvcJCN_BJA/s320/kobe+fade+away.jpg

http://d0inw0rk.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/kobe-fade-away-jumper.jpg?w=170&h=240

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/80/fullj.cda16141ad96d0a6dbc4e26d74a013db/ap-ef815525c45c4849bd7bb92a267566bb.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dKl5HJ6W2Ks/R2-aculcQ6I/AAAAAAAACJs/e2B2LXmeMZ4/s320/kobe%2Bshooting%2B5.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tWqvsW7WRl0/TMuvn_YFwuI/AAAAAAAAbns/D-xXzVZ6rkY/s640/Kobe+Bryant+vs.+Michael+Jordan+vs.+Signature+Fadea way+Shot+3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tWqvsW7WRl0/TMuvo8qfEsI/AAAAAAAAbn0/nELk44LdTYo/s640/Kobe+Bryant+vs.+Michael+Jordan+vs.+Signature+Fadea way+Shot+5.jpg

[eliteballer]

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/297/koberesized1wb6.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/150/149/111501256_crop_340x234.jpg?1302053950

http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/basketball/nba/img14345750.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_L7ROsl-6c_E/S4p67QZTFcI/AAAAAAAABFs/LrzG5uIvLps/71090275.jpg

http://www.imgjoe.com/x/lakerswarrio.jpg

[ImmortalD24]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R_V68KZWUEw/STi6V9F4QHI/AAAAAAAAAAM/HcvcJCN_BJA/s320/kobe+fade+away.jpg
This was a feed to Bynum.. not a fadeaway attempt.

[lilbeastnani]

Against long athletic defenders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni7t4swtdYw
That was obviously an anomaly. I think if he took that shot 100 times, it would probably be blocked less than 5 and go in more than 50.

[gengiskhan]

Jordan's fade away >>>>>> Kobe's fade away, but you don't hear me though.

MJ's arsenal

"Patented" fadeaway (1990-2003 MJ)

fallaway fadeaway (1995-1998 MJ)

fade back to get a good look (watch 1992 miami PO series & whole 1993 season)

fade sideways (watch '90s detroit PO series & 1993 Hawks PO series)

Turaround fadeaway off weak side (1992 NBA Finals on Clyde)

turnaround fadeaways (1993 knicks PO, 1996 knicks POs, 1990-1998 )

[ImmortalD24]

Jordan doesnt get higher, are you lames crazy
Jordan definitely got up higher. Fact.

Hell, even Wizards Jordan got more separation than current Kobe.

[Nevaeh]

Jordan used the fade away out of necessity to quickly score over taller guys in the post. Kobe uses it because he thinks it makes him look cool......


... but you don't hear me though.

Kobe was basically hoping for his own DVD series, like MJ's "Come Fly With Me", "Above and Beyond" etc., and figured the only way to get it was to make his plays look "stylish". Unfortunately, he misses more than he makes, and wasn't a Franchise player long enough to warrant any videos, but that didn't stop him from trying.

:oldlol:

[gengiskhan]

Jordan definitely got up higher. Fact.

Hell, even Wizards Jordan got more separation than current Kobe.

MJ got 2+ feet in his prime fadeaway years. 1991-1993. There are tons of videos on them on youtube.

Kobe aint even close.

[Disaprine]

Jerry West invented fadeaway

wilt might have invented it to have an advantage over bill russell, its possible it might have been earlier than that.

[SunsCaptain]

I didnt watch the game the other night so i decided to look it up...

Kobe scored 30 points!!! gosh hes so good...Oh....wait...

He shot 37% :roll:

[eliteballer]

Oh, I'm convinced:rolleyes: He didnt get higher and he was doing it against shorter and less athletic defenders.

[NumberSix]

Jordan doesnt get higher, are you lames crazy
THIS!!!!

There's a reason why his nickname was "Ground Jordan"

[AlphaWolf24]

I think he does this because his arsenal is smaller than people think. He has a hard time getting shots off aginst his defender so he resorts to this low % shot to try and get points.


7 NBA Finals ...

keep doing it Lord Gawdbe..kep on lookin cool....they still can't see you:lol

Here is an Interesting point about top 10 scorers in the league

16th season
5th season
9th season
4th season
4th season
9th season
4th season
7th season
5th season
8th season

Another point

5 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
1 ring
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings

2EZ

[DuMa]

most inefficient fadeaway. sure

[Bladers]

never..

Kobes reverse pound pivot is untouchable...that is a Kobe patented move that MJ never had...

Kobe's baseline fade is also on another level then Jordan's...

Kobe's reverse pivot after a upfake is also much better and more asthetically pleasing.

please Jordan stans...GTFO..your basketball illiteracy poison's the basketball forum 1 post at a time.

This, not even gonna mention the fact Kobe's fadeaway has way more range...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV0qMZJE3Xk

and this isn't really anything special, this is what kobe does. He makes fadeaway threes in his sleep.

He has the unbelievable pivot spin fadeaway, even extended to the 3pt line as you see here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_KOPjhYQS8

and ofcourse the baseline fadeaway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNQPFCjBCIg&t=0m46s

[AlphaWolf24]

I didnt watch the game the other night so i decided to look it up...

Kobe scored 30 points!!! gosh hes so good...Oh....wait...

He shot 37% :roll:

http://blacksportsonline.com/index/nofoul.gif

[ImmortalD24]

Highly doubt a "legend" invented that shot.. especially a big man. IMO, it was definitely around pre-60's.

[NumberSix]

This, not even gonna mention the fact Kobe's fadeaway has way more range...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV0qMZJE3Xk

and this isn't really anything special, this is what kobe does. He makes fadeaway threes in his sleep.

He has the unbelievable pivot spin fadeaway, even extended to the 3pt line as you see here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_KOPjhYQS8

and ofcourse the baseline fadeaway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNQPFCjBCIg&t=0m46s
Bladers

[SunsCaptain]

I bet by the end of the season Kobe will be under 40% fg

:cheers:

[NumberSix]

wilt might have invented it to have an advantage over bill russell, its possible it might have been earlier than that.
Fun fact. The last basket of Wilt's 100 was a fadeaway from like 20 feet.

[AlphaWolf24]

I bet by the end of the season Kobe will be under 40% fg

:cheers:


and D12 will be around 55% what's your point?

[rodman91]

Copy Bryant's fade-aways :applause:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I didnt watch the game the other night so i decided to look it up...

Kobe scored 30 points!!! gosh hes so good...Oh....wait...

He shot 37% :roll:
the important part of this post...
you see, young man, if you DID watch the game, then you would know that Kobe took about 4 shots with the game/shot clock expiring....i.e. they were those exceedingly unlikely shots.

[NumberSix]

Copy Bryant's fade-aways :applause:
Lol @ "Copy Bryant". :roll:

Is that a thing? Did you just come up with that? It's pretty good.

[Nevaeh]

I bet by the end of the season Kobe will be under 40% fg

:cheers:

Bu Bu bu.....Defense Ratings, MAN!!......

[gengiskhan]

the important part of this post...
you see, young man, if you DID watch the game, then you would know that Kobe took about 4 shots with the game/shot clock expiring....i.e. they were those exceedingly unlikely shots.

nobody told him to.

Kobe's playing kobe ball & running down the shot clock is his own problem. He just doesnt move well without the ball to get good shots off.

[SunsCaptain]

the important part of this post...
you see, young man, if you DID watch the game, then you would know that Kobe took about 4 shots with the game/shot clock expiring....i.e. they were those exceedingly unlikely shots.

Well you see Kobe isnt clutch.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Better fadeaway than MJ's
Inb4 mad JJ

[AlphaWolf24]

nobody told him to.

Kobe's playing kobe ball & running down the shot clock is his own problem. He just doesnt move well without the ball to get good shots off.


another fool who never watched the game:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Well you see Kobe isnt clutch.
right now or whole career?

[SunsCaptain]

Fun fact Kobe is 7th in the league in 3PA with 254...but he has only made 73......:roll:

[NumberSix]

right now or whole career?
Wednesdays of odd numbered years :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

Bu Bu bu.....Defense Ratings, MAN!!......

buu...bu...buu...FG%FG%FG%FG%FG%FG%

and efficiency means so much!!

[SunsCaptain]

right now or whole career?

Whole career he is something like a 27% fg shooter in the clutch and led in turnovers down the stretch.

[ImmortalD24]

Copy Bryant's fade-aways :applause:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9c0AXu3Qljo#t=40s

:applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

Whole career he is something like a 27% fg shooter in the clutch and led in turnovers down the stretch.


7 NBA Finals ...

keep doing it Lord Gawdbe..kep on bieng 27% in the clutch....they still can't see you

Here is an Interesting point about top 10 scorers in the league

16th season
5th season
9th season
4th season
4th season
9th season
4th season
7th season
5th season
8th season

Another point

5 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
1 ring
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings

2EZ

[Deuce Bigalow]

Whole career he is something like a 27% fg shooter in the clutch and led in turnovers down the stretch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J90qsQo5dg4#t=267s

Destroyed them in 2000, then destroyed them a decade later
:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

My dawg smashed Kobe's wiz back when she was still video hoe'in

[gengiskhan]

Must See.

GOAT @ 3:25 mark. Deadly fadeaway of weak "left" side covers like 5' feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dypeSxSNg

GOAT "deadly" weak side fadeaway buzzer beater series winner off severe handchecking by wilkins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjtRjhvQo6I

Kobe can copy some aspects & look good but thats it.

[Bladers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnXRE9zT4k

Kobe fadeaway long threes.

Stop it... just stop it.

I have seen kobe hit fadeaway halfcourt shots numerous times.

His fadeaway is by far better than Jordan's

[Inactive]

buu...bu...buu...FG%FG%FG%FG%FG%FG%

and efficiency means so much!!If you don't acquire, and use possessions more efficiently than your opponent, you lose the game. Basketball is all about efficiency.

[Bladers]

another kobe'tard on kobe's nuts sucking them hard.

Jerry West invented fadeaway

MJ re-invented & perfected so called "patented" fadeaway to a point it can never be re-re-invented ever in the history of NBA. whole '90s MJ 1990-1998 MJ lived off fadeaway. fade backs, weak side, strong side. off the pick. off the turn. stop on the dime. fade sideways. fade back. KOBE NEVER HAD THIS MJ ARSENAL. . etc etc.

Kobe merely copied certain aspects of MJ fadeaway.

Next....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLnXRE9zT4k

Watch all 6 mins and tell me Jordan's fadeaway is in contention.

Perfecting something is doing it to its limits.

Kobe pushed the fadeaway far and beyond jordan ever imagined.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If you don't acquire, and use possessions more efficiently than your opponent, you lose the game. Basketball is all about efficiency.
No it's not

Lakers won a championship shooting 32.5% in game 7.
scoring
rebounding
passing
movement
defense
playmaking
clutch plays
getting to the freethrow line
ect
wins games, not FG%

:facepalm

[Punpun]

Nope. FG% is unimportant. What is truly important is your FT%.

[gengiskhan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J90qsQo5dg4#t=267s

Destroyed them in 2000, then destroyed them a decade later
:oldlol:

DONT FORGET KOBE TAKING "FADE AWAY" BUZZER BEATER AGAINST MAVS, GAME 1 Playoffs & missing it. He faded when no defense was present. :facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OQGFi_hLwM

hence, got swept . :lol

Kobe missed last 5 PLAYOFF game winners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd8mGzGK1Uc

[Inactive]

No it's not

Lakers won a championship shooting 32.5% in game 7.
scoring
rebounding
passing
movement
defense
playmaking
clutch plays
getting to the freethrow line
ect
wins games, not FG%

:facepalm
They acquired more possessions than their opponent (rebounding, steals, turnovers), and/or they used them more efficiently (scoring efficiency). "Clutch plays" are just plays that have added emotional importance to you. You don't get extra points for them. Passing, movement, getting to the line, and playmaking are strategies for increasing your scoring efficiency. Defense is your attempt at lowering your opponents scoring efficiency. Rebounding is your attempt at limiting their possessions.

[Deuce Bigalow]

DONT FORGET KOBE TAKING "FADE AWAY" BUZZER BEATER AGAINST MAVS, GAME 1 Playoffs & missing it. He faded when no defense was present. :facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OQGFi_hLwM

hence, got swept . :lol

Kobe missed last 5 PLAYOFF game winners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd8mGzGK1Uc
Jordan got swept twice :lol

[NumberSix]

No it's not

Lakers won a championship shooting 32.5% in game 7.
scoring
rebounding
passing
movement
defense
playmaking
clutch plays
getting to the freethrow line
ect
wins games, not FG%

:facepalm
In Kobe's case, TEAM MATES win championships. Kobe just has really good tickets to the game. :lebron:

[SunsCaptain]

No it's not

Lakers won a championship shooting 32.5% in game 7.
scoring is fg%
rebounding offense leads to fg% otherwise defensive
passing leads to fg%
movement leads to fg%
defense is defense
playmaking leads to fg%
clutch plays leads to fg%
getting to the freethrow line leads to ft%
ect



:facepalm

:sleeping :sleeping

[Deuce Bigalow]

They acquired more possessions than their opponent (rebounding, steals, turnovers), and/or they used them more efficiently (scoring efficiency).
nope

Celtics: 29 made field goals, 6 3s made
Lakers: 27 made field goals, 4 3s made

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201006170LAL.html

[Nevaeh]

Jordan got swept twice :lol

As a defending champ with Phil Jackson as coach in his prime?.....:no:

[Bladers]

Funny just last week... fadeaway long three pointer over two defenders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-T_4pwbp68&t=1m26s

[Deuce Bigalow]

In Kobe's case, TEAM MATES win championships. Kobe just has really good tickets to the game. :lebron:
15 rebounds in the game and 10 4th quarter points. great tickets

[NumberSix]

nope

Celtics: 29 made field goals, 6 3s made
Lakers: 27 made field goals, 4 3s made

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201006170LAL.html
So what's your point? The key to victory is phantom foul calls? :confusedshrug:

[Deuce Bigalow]

So what's your point? The key to victory is phantom foul calls? :confusedshrug:
basketball doesn't equal FG%

[AlphaWolf24]

If you don't acquire, and use possessions more efficiently than your opponent, you lose the game. Basketball is all about efficiency.


No ..Basketball is all about understanding as a unit where each person can help the team win.

has nothing to do with math or efficiency and has more to do with a mindset , a culture and a goal.

Math and FG% have absolutley nothing to do with winning.

[NumberSix]

basketball doesn't equal FG%
Thank you Professor Duh

[NumberSix]

No ..Basketball is all about understanding as a unit where each person can help the team win.

has nothing to do with math or efficiency and has more to do with a mindset , a culture and a goal.

Math and FG% have absolutley nothing to do with winning.
:facepalm

Just when you thought someone has reached the pinnacle of stupidity, they break their own record.

[SunsCaptain]

No ..Basketball is all about understanding as a unit where each person can help the team win.

has nothing to do with math or efficiency and has more to do with a mindset , a culture and a goal.

Math and FG% have absolutley nothing to do with winning.


Stats gave everything to do with the result of the game.

every stat factors in to what happened during the course of a game...

Its such a simple concept that if you cant understand it....:facepalm

[Nevaeh]

No ..Basketball is all about understanding as a unit where each person can help the team win.

has nothing to do with math or efficiency and has more to do with a mindset , a culture and a goal.

Math and FG% have absolutley nothing to do with winning.

So a team scoring 101 points over a team scoring 95 points to win the game is not math right? Damn, your "Idiot Shtick" is an embarrassment to Laker Fans.

:lol

[Punpun]

Oh Come on. When great teams face each others, D. is there. FG% becomes meaningless. Only the one with the better D. and FT% will win.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:sleeping :sleeping
:oldlol:

Ok, since highest FG% teams win championships...

2010-11: Celtics #1, Mavericks #5
2009-10: Suns #1, Lakers #18
2008-09: Suns #1, Lakers #4
2007-08: Suns #1, Celtics #3
2006-07: Suns #1, Spurs #3

champs in bold

[Deuce Bigalow]

what did that #1 FG% do to your Suns? did they win championships?
:oldlol:

[SunsCaptain]

Oh Come on. When great teams face each others, D. is there. FG% becomes meaningless. Only the one with the better D. and FT% will win.

Every stat matters including fg% Everything that happens a game is recorded and put in the stat book. The direct result of the stats is the direct result of the game.

Its so easy to understand.....

Some of the people in this thread....:facepalm

[SunsCaptain]

what did that #1 FG% do to your Suns? did they win championships?
:oldlol:

Please dont go full retard ur better than that...

[305Baller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV_JpwFp9jA

Some of Kobe Bryant's greatest Fadeaways.

Its amazing that the Fade-away will be a lost art when this dude retires.:(

:bowdown:

[Bladers]

Must See.

GOAT @ 3:25 mark. Deadly fadeaway of weak "left" side covers like 5' feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dypeSxSNg

GOAT "deadly" weak side fadeaway buzzer beater series winner off severe handchecking by wilkins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjtRjhvQo6I

Kobe can copy some aspects & look good but thats it.

LOL Kobe does and makes that every game. :roll: :roll:

and he over extends it to its limit by covering 8-9 feet and ends up out of bounds.

and about that game winner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57yR0MphgwU

Kobe does this shot also every freaking game. but that's a GW for you.
Notice how kobe's own was smooth and jordan couldn't even get his straight. :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

Stats gave everything to do with the result of the game.

every stat factors in to what happened during the course of a game...

Its such a simple concept that if you cant understand it....:facepalm



So a team scoring 101 points over a team scoring 95 points to win the game is not math right? Damn, your "Idiot Shtick" is an embarrassment to Laker Fans.

I was referencing how you fools who don't watch the games..just look at FG% stats use it.

Taking 5 players with OMG! 47 - 50% FG%
and thinking they are going to beat a team of 46% - 40% players based on what you see on a paper is dumb.

Basketball relys too much on chemistry ...leadership and culture to only use marginal stats as some reliable factor

[Deuce Bigalow]

Please dont go full retard ur better than that...
FG% is the most important thing though? It wins games. higher FG% and you win? :confusedshrug:

:oldlol:

[SunsCaptain]

Oviously a team witha better fg% losing to a team with a lower fg% means you should look at rebounds fts and steals

the team that won will have had either more FTS or more shot attempts from either offensive rebounds or turnovers.

Its such an easy concept to understand but the retard lakers fans on this forum....:facepalm

[SunsCaptain]

FG% is the most important thing though? It wins games. higher FG% and you win? :confusedshrug:

:oldlol:

who said it was most important...You have gone full retard...Im sorry but everything you say is stupid. If you cant understand stats see the comment above...Please stop trying.....Maybe one day u can understand basketball but until then try not posting u look silly


:facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oviously a team witha better fg% losing to a team with a lower fg% means you should look at rebounds fts and steals

the team that won will have had either more FTS or more shot attempts from either offensive rebounds or turnovers.

Its such an easy concept to understand but the retard lakers fans on this forum....:facepalm
But that isn't FG% :oldlol:

No one says "oh look at the FG%, their FG% won them the game, great FG%"

[rodman91]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9c0AXu3Qljo#t=40s

:applause:

MJ perfected fadeaways and made them his trademark.

Kareem didn't invent skyhook as well. But if somebody use skyhook now nobody would say it's patented by new guy.

Kobe was asking Jordan how he does those fadeaways.He copied almost same move, you can't patent already perfected move.

Dirk's one legged fadeaways was there too.He perfected it and made them his trademark.

This is more like Kobe's trademark. I have seen Jordan and others did it before but Kobe made it his signature move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OTDuq1C92k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBt_9t57F-0

[SunsCaptain]

I was referencing how you fools who don't watch the games..just look at FG% stats use it.

Taking 5 players with OMG! 47 - 50% FG%
and thinking they are going to beat a team of 46% - 40% players based on what you see on a paper is dumb.

Basketball relys too much on chemistry ...leadership and culture to only use marginal stats as some reliable factor

There are more stats thatn fg%.....every laker fan is so stupid it blows my mind....

[SunsCaptain]

But that isn't FG% :oldlol:

No one says "oh look at the FG%, their FG% won them the game, great FG%"

I dont even know what ur talking about anymore....

Stats are direct reults of what happened in the course of the game... You can look at the stats without seeing a score and know who won...


Full retard and he aint never commin back

[Nevaeh]

what did that #1 FG% do to your Suns? did they win championships?
:oldlol:

Wow, I thought the thread was comparing Players. Can't fault you guys for moving it to team accomplishments though.
:oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

I dont even know what ur talking about anymore....

Stats are direct reults of what happened in the course of the game... You can look at the stats without seeing a score and know who won...


Full retard and he aint never commin back
You're the retard that just replied to my post listing "fg%" to each category moron

[SunsCaptain]

Wow, I thought the thread was comparing Players. Can't fault you guys for moving it to team accomplishments though.
:oldlol:

Well it doesnt help ur team to much when 1 player on ut team takes 30% of ur shots and misses the majority makes ur team have to pick up all the slack

[305Baller]

MJ perfected fadeaways and made them his trademark.

Kareem didn't invent skyhook as well. But if somebody use skyhook now nobody would say it's patented by new guy.

Kobe was asking Jordan how he does those fadeaways.He copied almost same move, you can't patent already perfected move.

Dirk's one legged fadeaways was there too.He perfected it and made them his trademark.

This is more like Kobe's trademark. I have seen Jordan and others did it before but Kobe made it his signature move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OTDuq1C92k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBt_9t57F-0

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Stanley+_81136c014fcdc39ab236eb398841ce60.gif

[Bladers]

What is a reverse pound pivot? lol @ the second claim btw :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qsN42C_XoU

Son u for real?... :wtf:

[SunsCaptain]

You're the retard that just replied to my post listing "fg%" to each category moron

fg% is important but if u look at fg% u need to look at shots-shots attempted and 3pm and 3pa

if u want to get the full scope on fg% then there are many other stats that factor in. FG% is very important but it is not a deciding factor...


Come on lakers fans step up ur game. Get ur bain in the game.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Well it doesnt help ur team to much when 1 player on ut team takes 30% of ur shots and misses the majority makes ur team have to pick up all the slack
You mean like Jordan in '96-'98 and Kobe in '09-'10?

[Inactive]

nope

Celtics: 29 made field goals, 6 3s made
Lakers: 27 made field goals, 4 3s made

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201006170LAL.htmlYup.

Lakers score 83 points, in approx. 110 possessions. 83 used on fga, approx. 16 used on fta, 11 wasted on turnovers.

Celtics score 79, on approx. 92 possessions. 71 used on fga, approx. 7 used on fta, and 14 wasted on turnovers.

The disparity in possessions is mostly due to LA's +13 in rebounding, and -3 in turnovers. Lost rebounds, and turnovers are just as inefficient, as missed shots.

When people talk about efficiency, they don't mean FG%. FG% is just one large facet of overall efficiency.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yup.

Lakers score 83 points, in approx. 110 possessions. 83 used on fga, approx. 16 used on fta, 11 wasted on turnovers.

Celtics score 79, on approx. 92 possessions. 71 used on fga, approx. 7 used on fta, and 14 wasted on turnovers.

The disparity in possessions is mostly due to LA's +13 in rebounding, and -3 in turnovers. Lost rebounds, and turnovers are just as inefficient, as missed shots.

When people talk about efficiency, they don't mean FG%. FG% is just one large facet of overall efficiency.


check your post again...you are in a Kobe Thread...

efficincy to the Kobe haters is all about that FG%!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SunsCaptain]

check your post again...you are in a Kobe Thread...

efficincy to the Kobe haters is all about that FG%!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes he has a poor fg% and 3p% and he is 15 all time in turnovers and climbing... Not a very good passer and most of his rebounds are defensive....

In terms of overall efeciency hes not that great.

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qsN42C_XoU

Son u for real?... :wtf:

You mentioned two things - a reverse pivot and a reverse pound pivot. I was wondering what the difference was. The one you posted I thought was a reverse pivot.

[BlackJoker23]

kobe fadeaway>mgay fadeaway or matter of fact any mgay move

[AlphaWolf24]

You mentioned two things - a reverse pivot and a reverse pound pivot. I was wondering what the difference was. The one you posted I thought was a reverse pivot.


I said the reverese pound pivot..


Ball in Triple threat (you have not used a dribble)...open step(1rst foot) and plant .....when your 2nd foot leaves the ground lower your hips for a hard dribble...when 2nd foot plants you reverse pivot on the 1rst foot (that is planted) into a fade away.

[BlackJoker23]

I said the reverese pound pivot..


Ball in Triple threat (you have not used a dribble)...open step(1rst foot) and plant .....when your 2nd foot leaves the ground lower your hips for a hard dribble...when 2nd foot plants you reverse pivot on the 1rst foot (that is planted) into a fade away.
another jordan jocker in ur pocket bro. stylin on these cats since 84 :bowdown:

[bwink23]

I said the reverese pound pivot..


Ball in Triple threat (you have not used a dribble)...open step(1rst foot) and plant .....when your 2nd foot leaves the ground lower your hips for a hard dribble...when 2nd foot plants you reverse pivot on the 1rst foot (that is planted) into a fade away.


Just post a damn video so we can see it...

[bwink23]

another jordan jocker in ur pocket bro. stylin on these cats since 84 :bowdown:


You sucking his dong bro???

:biggums:

[Bladers]

I said the reverese pound pivot..


Ball in Triple threat (you have not used a dribble)...open step(1rst foot) and plant .....when your 2nd foot leaves the ground lower your hips for a hard dribble...when 2nd foot plants you reverse pivot on the 1rst foot (that is planted) into a fade away.

you mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz0SUpcLCOw#t=0m44s

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[bwink23]

you mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz0SUpcLCOw#t=0m44s

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


PURE TRAVEL BLADERS.....BLADERS

Established pivot with ball in hand, then changed pivot foot on the spin....that's called a travel....:lol


BLADERS

[BlackJoker23]

You sucking his dong bro???

:biggums:
nah bro. just showing appreciation to a top poster on this site. owning jordan jockers for more than 2 decades

[bwink23]

nah bro. just showing appreciation to a top poster on this site. owning jordan jockers for more than 2 decades


Again.....are you sucking his dong bro?? :biggums:

[BlackJoker23]

Again.....are you sucking his dong bro?? :biggums:
again can you read bro? are you retarded bro?

jordan jockers, brainless by default.

[bwink23]

again can you read bro? are you retarded bro?

jordan jockers, brainless by default.


I did read, and it seemed like you were sucking his dong....well??

[BlackJoker23]

I did read, and it seemed like you were sucking his dong....well??
obviously not because u read with jordans cvm in your eye

[bwink23]

obviously not because u read with jordans cvm in your eye


that's just how it came off....sucking him..:biggums:

[BlackJoker23]

that's just how it came off....sucking him..:biggums:
definitely a retard. jordan would be proud

[AlphaWolf24]

you mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz0SUpcLCOw#t=0m44s

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


yes..



Wink - PURE TRAVEL BLADERS.....BLADERS

Established pivot with ball in hand, then changed pivot foot on the spin....that's called a travel....


BLADERS


come on Wink....

he opened steped...then put the ball down(dribble) and reversed.....timing is everything..once the ball hit the ground he could switch his pivot foot.

[Bladers]

PURE TRAVEL BLADERS.....BLADERS

Established pivot with ball in hand, then changed pivot foot on the spin....that's called a travel....:lol


BLADERS

No its not dumbass. He's just too fast for you to decipher his moves.

Here he is doing it alil slower vs Dallas acouple of games ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1oSlUb49Xs#t=0m20s

[bwink23]

yes..





come on Wink....

he opened steped...then put the ball down(dribble) and reversed.....timing is everything..once the ball hit the ground he could switch his pivot foot.


Meh...there is no question he established his pivot foot already. He planted, didn't put the ball back down, and switched feet...that's a travel in any other league.

[bwink23]

No its not dumbass. He's just too fast for you to decipher his moves.

Here he is doing it alil slower vs Dallas acouple of games ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1oSlUb49Xs#t=0m20s


that one is not a travel cuz he established the right pivot foot first....

[NumberSix]

Bladers

[AlphaWolf24]

Meh...there is no question he established his pivot foot already. He planted, didn't put the ball back down, and switched feet...that's a travel in any other league.


yes but he took a dribble ..when he took that dribble he also took a step with his non pivot foot (witch then became his pivot when he picked the ball up) then reversed pivoted..

when he dribbled and opened stepped it allowed him to switch pivot feet...not a travel...technially.

F** I can't spell.:mad:

[bwink23]

yes but he took a dribble ..when he took that dribble he also took a step with his non pivot foot (witch then became his pivot when he picked the ball up) then reversed pivoted..

when he dribbled and opened stepped it allowed him to switch pivot feet...not a travel...technially.

F** I can't spell.:mad:

He had ball in hand on his left pivot...you can't step down and switch pivot foot from there, it's a travel.

[G-Funk]

Whole career he is something like a 27% fg shooter in the clutch and led in turnovers down the stretch.
Steve Nash has no rings

[G-Funk]

:oldlol:

Ok, since highest FG% teams win championships...

2010-11: Celtics #1, Mavericks #5
2009-10: Suns #1, Lakers #18
2008-09: Suns #1, Lakers #4
2007-08: Suns #1, Celtics #3
2006-07: Suns #1, Spurs #3

champs in bold


Nash has neve been to the Finals :oldlol:

[Doranku]

You know MJ had to be mentioned at some point or only about 3 people would care.

Is this how you justify MJ stans coming in here and being insecure? :oldlol:

[gengiskhan]

LOL Kobe does and makes that every game. :roll: :roll:

and he over extends it to its limit by covering 8-9 feet and ends up out of bounds.

and about that game winner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57yR0MphgwU

Kobe does this shot also every freaking game. but that's a GW for you.
Notice how kobe's own was smooth and jordan couldn't even get his straight. :oldlol:

dumb ass

that was turn around jumpshot. Kobe didn't even cover an inch on that one.

did you even see MJ move 5' sideways off left side. on that time on the video.

look closely. He was moving & hitting. Kobe cannot dream of it even if he is born again. MJ made this regularly in his game.

[gengiskhan]

Anyone notice on Kobe's patented fade-away, he completely fades while jordan doesnt?

It looks like Jordan is doing half fadeaway compared to kobe.

dumb ass

MJ got into proper "ROCKING CHAIR" conformation in his fadeaway with legs tucked up.

Kobe turns lot more on the groud before fading away.

MJ turned in the air because of severe handchecking that gave him very little space. He turned in the air with shoulders squared falling back.

MJs is poetry in motion. Kobe's is watered down version that works now in "little D" " NO Handchecking allowed" "NO physical contact" allowed era.

MJ original "ROCKING CHAIR" conformation on his fadeaway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdS_J97y7K8

vs

Kobe's "COPIED" fadeaways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB-yrZKaZhQ&feature=related

[Bladers]

dumb ass

MJ got into proper "ROCKING CHAIR" conformation in his fadeaway with legs tucked up.

Kobe turns lot more on the groud before fading away.

MJ turned in the air because of severe handchecking that gave him very little space. He turned in the air with shoulders squared falling back.

MJs is poetry in motion. Kobe's is watered down version that works now in "little D" " NO Handchecking allowed" "NO physical contact" allowed era.

MJ original "ROCKING CHAIR" conformation on his fadeaway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdS_J97y7K8

vs

Kobe's "COPIED" fadeaways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB-yrZKaZhQ&feature=related

lol you are an idiot.

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqWQvcnv9k&t=7m35s
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqWQvcnv9k&t=8m20s

over the best shot blocking SG. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[gengiskhan]

People have been doing fadeways before Jordan or Kobe

Agreed.

Jerry West had "patented" fadeaway too. just not as complicated as MJs. but West made a "clutch" career out of it.

dirk got "unstoppable" fadeaway in today's game & better than kobe clearly.

[Bladers]

Updated the video

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqWQvcnv9k&t=7m35s
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqWQvcnv9k&t=8m20s


The can see the replay and how high he got up. LOL over the best shot blocking SG. :roll: :roll:

[Bladers]

Updated the video

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqWQvcnv9k&t=7m35s
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqWQvcnv9k&t=8m20s


The can see the replay and how high he got up. LOL over the best shot blocking SG. :roll: :roll:

lol geng avoiding this post like the plague. It shows the reply in slow mo twice and how high he was.

[gengiskhan]

lol you are an idiot.

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO0TifrY1nI&t=5m12s
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO0TifrY1nI&t=5m36s

over the best shot blocking SG. :roll: :roll: :roll:

dumb ass

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Kobe's 2 fadeaways are "COPY" of 38-40 yrs old senior citizen MJ.

40 yrs old MJ hitting killer fadeaway over 6'7" Matrix, 4" taller than Wade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPmPu-JxJ9A)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlNfnD_i77s

MJ will always mop the floor with Kobe's two fadeaways even at age 46

MJ still fading away @ age 46. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkrja3wLxIY&feature=related)


Kobe just "COPIED" MJ's patented fadeaway jumper. thats it.

MJ will always win cuz he did it in extreme physical D era with perfection.

Kobe fadeaways are done when Wade as a defender cannot even put his forearm on kobe's body to deny it.

MJ fadeaway >>>>>>> Kobe fadeaway.

suck on that rapist lover. :coleman:

[chazzy]

6'11" Matrix
:wtf:

[gengiskhan]

lol geng avoiding this post like the plague. It shows the reply in slow mo twice and how high he was.

Your gay boyfriend PWNED by me in my previous post.

Kobe'tards are always trashed just like Kobe's FG% of his fadeaway jumpers.
3/20, 7/21, 9/24.

Kobe fadeaways are extremely overrated. He barely hits them.

stick with Dirk's "UNSTOPPABLE" unguardable fallaway fadeaways. He is a better bet.

dumb retarded kobe fans. :coleman:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I love this gengiskhan guy. :oldlol:

[Bladers]

dumb ass

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Kobe's 2 fadeaways are "COPY" of 38-40 yrs old senior citizen MJ.

40 yrs old MJ hitting killer fadeaway over 6'11" Matrix, 8" taller than Wade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPmPu-JxJ9A)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlNfnD_i77s

MJ will always mop the floor with Kobe's two fadeaways even at age 46

MJ still fading away @ age 46. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkrja3wLxIY&feature=related)


Kobe just "COPIED" MJ's patented fadeaway jumper. thats it.

MJ will always win cuz he did it in extreme physical D era with perfection.

Kobe fadeaways are done when Wade as a defender cannot even put his forearm on kobe's body to deny it.

MJ fadeaway >>>>>>> Kobe fadeaway.

suck on that rapist lover. :coleman:

you do know that wade is the best shot blocking sg. He gets up there and blocks the shots of even centers and pfs.

Its funny everytime i watch someone back him down i say.
He's about to eat his shit"

and low and behold he does.

The last time that happened was last sunday when westbrook tried back down wade and got his shit eaten. :oldlol:

wade blocks howard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDKTSOiErvs

height doesn't matter its all about leaping ability and wingspan

and how did Kobe copy Jordan when Kobe reinvented his own version. Just like dirk has his own version.

Kobe has the basline, the spin (pivot reverse, reverse), etc.

And kobe's fadeaway is extended up to the halfcourt.

[Bladers]

wade blocks duncan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxBu6Quj55c

need i say more?

[Bladers]

Dwyane Wade Top 10 Blocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLtnFsZ5AP4

[RRR3]

Bladers mad MJ shits all over his wet dream :lol

[gengiskhan]

Anyone notice on Kobe's patented fade-away, he completely fades while jordan doesnt?

It looks like Jordan is doing half fadeaway compared to kobe.

dumb ass

Kobe "over" fades when not required just to get shots off.

Below is the excellent example why he missed the easy buzzer beater after having 1.5' jump in the air. NO NEED TO OVER FADE & SHOOT LONG.

notice kobe fades a lot & pushes the ball instead of putting an arc on a shot. all the ingredients of missing the buzzer beater. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHM5ORk3doc)

A reason why he has such a low FG% on his fade aways.

also, Kobe's fadeaway DO NOT have shoulders "SQUARED" to the basket.

another reason why kobe misses much more than makes.

MJ's prime. always had his shoulders squared. He faded beautifully.

[Bladers]

Bladers mad MJ shits all over his wet dream :lol

Nah.

1) Kobe gets up higher.
2) Kobe's has more range
3) Kobe has basline Jordan doesn't
4) Kobe has the reverse pivot
5) Kobe has the reverse poind pivot
6) Kobe better turn around fadeaway
7) Kobe has better and more range pull up fadeaway


Kobe's deadly pull up fade-away with unlimited range

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIDF7GFFpG4

[bwink23]

dumb ass

Kobe "over" fades when not required just to get shots off.

Below is the excellent example why he missed the easy buzzer beater after having 1.5' jump in the air. NO NEED TO OVER FADE & SHOOT LONG.

notice kobe fades a lot & pushes the ball instead of putting an arc on a shot. all the ingredients of missing the buzzer beater. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHM5ORk3doc)

A reason why he has such a low FG% on his fade aways.

also, Kobe's fadeaway DO NOT have shoulders "SQUARED" to the basket.

another reason why kobe misses much more than makes.

MJ's prime. always had his shoulders squared. He faded beautifully.


Alot of that is Jordan was chiseled from granite and had the strength to stay square from many angles....Kobe's got a puffy build, where he's muscles are more vanity and not as dense, so he gets more sloppy with his fade.

[RRR3]

Nah.

1) Kobe gets up higher.
2) Kobe's has more range
3) Kobe has basline Jordan doesn't
4) Kobe has the reverse pivot
5) Kobe has the reverse poind pivot
6) Kobe better turn around fadeaway
7) Kobe has better and more range pull up fadeaway


Kobe's deadly pull up fade-away with unlimited range

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIDF7GFFpG4
And yet MJ still was a far better scorer.













Next.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Why did Kobe change his number from 8 to 24?

[gengiskhan]

[/B]


Alot of that is Jordan was chiseled from granite and had the strength to stay square from many angles....Kobe's got a puffy build, where he's muscles are more vanity and not as dense, so he gets more sloppy with his fade.

not just that.

Kobe's fade are exaggerated. unnecessary & faulty if you look close. Hence the cause of tons of missed fadeaway jumpers.

He has his leading right shoulder of shooting hand pointing towards the basket where he is mostly pushing the ball instead of releasing the ball.

MJ always focused on "releasing" the ball after fading. & also probably evaluating if he needs to use backboard if necessary. "release" is perfect. if ball bounces on the rim. it has 50% chance of falling in due to perfect reverse spin. or 50% chance of offensive rebound.

Kobe is more focused on "pushing" the ball off the awkward right shoulder pointing to the rim position. looks good only when it hits the bottom of the net. if not it is just another overrated ugly FGA. with 10% chance of offensive rebound due to "line drive" awkward bounce off the rim.

[NumberSix]

Bladers

[Leviathon1121]

Is this how you justify MJ stans coming in here and being insecure? :oldlol:

Pretty sure hes talking about the second post in the thread, by the OP. Doesn't surprise me that you are incapable of seeing that though.

[gengiskhan]

Corrected for retarded Kobe'tard.


agreed.

1) MJ gets up higher.
2) MJ's has more range & anywhere from the floor inside half-court.
3) MJ's has baseline & behind the backboard Kobe doesn't.
4) MJ first to use reverse pivot in 1991-1993.
5) MJ first to use has the reverse point pivot in 1993 because he lost first step. (Shaq's orlando game. MJ had 64 pts)
6) MJ has much better turn around fadeaway & turnaround fallaway fadeaway
7) MJ has better and more range in pull up fadeaway & much better efficiency
8) MJ has much more "HANG TIME" on his fadeaway too.
9) MJ covers more :horizontal" distance & gets much more seperation.
10) MJ covers much more "Lateral" distance with ease as well off both sides.
11) MJ's fadeaway has lot more patience before "releasing" & not awkward like Kobe's in a hurry release to look like a hero.

MJ's deadly pull up fade-away with unlimited range & also "catch & shoot" fallaway fadeaway with unlimited range.

[G-Funk]

And yet MJ still was a far better scorer.













Next.



Next is Kobe>Lebron>>Wade>>>>>>>>>>>T-mac

[thelucifer69]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O0dTFFGxLU8/T3RjXQzsTnI/AAAAAAAAAR8/QO6PXFyLL5k/s641/FADEAWAY.jpg

[ImmortalD24]

http://i36.tinypic.com/wa3bxj.jpg

Kobe really doesn't need to expend that much energy to get a clean shot because of his high release point (as well as his longer arms).

With Jordan, without that high jump to along with that added separation:

http://i46.tinypic.com/jtl47a.jpg
;)

Yes Jordan gets up higher on his fadeaways, but that doesn't necessarily make it better.

[thelucifer69]

http://i36.tinypic.com/wa3bxj.jpg

Kobe really doesn't need to expend that much energy to get a clean shot because of his high release point (as well as his longer arms).

With Jordan, without that high jump to along with that added separation:

http://i46.tinypic.com/jtl47a.jpg
;)

Yes Jordan gets up higher on his fadeaways, but that doesn't necessarily make it better.

MJ 35 Yrs Old jump higher than Kobe 31 Yrs Old.
Can Kobe make fade away when he 40 Yrs Old and can't jump.

[Punpun]

Well MJ sure as hell ocould not. As shown when Ko8e blocked the **** outta jhis fade away.

[bwink23]

Well MJ sure as hell ocould not. As shown when Ko8e blocked the **** outta jhis fade away.


Paul Pierce blocked old-ass Jordan a couple time on his fadeaway as well.....the same guy who has stuffed prime Kobe's fade a couple times....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx-_o118F9M


Should we throw a party over it troll???

:hammertime:

[gengiskhan]

God knows when Kobe'tards are gonna grow up. Kobe'tards are the most insecure bunch alive.




[QUOTE]Kobe really doesn't need to expend that much energy to get a clean shot because of his high release point (as well as his longer arms).

Fact # 1: MJ has longer wingspan. NOT Kobe. its 2 inches longer than kobe's.

Fact # 2: Kobe has the most "INEFFICIENT" & "INCONSISTENT" fadeaway compared to MJ, West & Even DIRK. because of his kneejerk careless release to look like a hero. I will take Ewing's drop step "fadeaway" & Dirk's "unguardable" dropstep fadeaway over kobe's.

Fact # 3: Because Kobe COULD NOT perfect MJ's patented fadeaway, he shoots 30%-35% consistently from outside just to get the aim right hence loosing tons of games on the roads

Fact # 4: Kobe's turnaround Fadeaway is AMATEURISH. right shoulder pointing towards the basket. "pushing" at the ball instead of "soft release" MJ perfected. Reason why Kobe even in his prime shot very low % like 45% despite shotjocking every game

Fact # 6: MJ's PATENTED & PERFECTED fadeaway made him a deadly force in the playoffs. Kobe's amateurish inconsistent & kneejerk fadeaways from 21 feet got lakers swept or loose 3-1 lead in the playoffs & even costed 2004 2007 rings as heavy favorites

Fact # 7: MJ's DEADLY fadeaways destroyed franchises like Pacers, Jazz, Knicks, Heat which were built on athletic & physical D & kept these franchises from making it to NBA Finals or winning it all.

Fact # 8: MJ's fadeaways have EVOLVED from 1990 to 1996. They were the result of ILLEGAL EXTREMELY PHYSICAL "THE JORDAN RULES", MJ & the bulls could not get over in the playoffs. Kobe's are mere cheap IMMITATIONS of 1995-1998 MJs and seriously lack efficiency & consistency & shot selection.


With Jordan, without that high jump to along with that added separation:

http://i46.tinypic.com/jtl47a.jpg
;)

Only a dumb kobe'tard would edit a 40 yrs old MJ's WELL PAST HIS PRIME fadeaway without showing kobe's "STIFF ARM HAND CHECKING" with elbow on MJs back. & who knows its probably even a foul.



Yes Jordan gets up higher on his fadeaways, but that doesn't necessarily make it better.

How does Kobe's fadeaway better when they look amateurish with tons of misses

How does Kobe's fadeaway better when there is a FUNDAMENTAL FLAW of not having SHOULDERS SQUARED to the basket & instead Right shoulder pointing to the basket. one of the many reasons for Kobe's inconsistancies & inefficiency in Reg Season & More so in PLAYOFFS?

How are MJs not better when they have much more hangtime on his fadeaways giving him a choice of using the backboard as well as dumping off an easy pass at the last minute?

How are Kobe's amateurish fadeaways better when NO PHYSICAL D & NO HANDCHECKING RULE doesnt help him be lot more efficient when MJ's were deadly despite extreme physical contact.

Kobe falls well short. Cheap immitation will remain cheap immitation.

[Toizumi]

Cool mix.
Kobe attempts shots that make you go :wtf: when they fall. He has a great fadeaway, but often when the takes it, it doesn't seem like a great shot. Definitely not the best shot available. Still, one of the best fadeaway jumpers ever.
MJ took his fadeaways from deeper inside. It looks like a much easier shot and he hit a ton more of them than Kobe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Uw5B--arA

[lefthook00]

not just that.

Kobe's fade are exaggerated. unnecessary & faulty if you look close. Hence the cause of tons of missed fadeaway jumpers.

He has his leading right shoulder of shooting hand pointing towards the basket where he is mostly pushing the ball instead of releasing the ball.

MJ always focused on "releasing" the ball after fading. & also probably evaluating if he needs to use backboard if necessary. "release" is perfect. if ball bounces on the rim. it has 50% chance of falling in due to perfect reverse spin. or 50% chance of offensive rebound.

Kobe is more focused on "pushing" the ball off the awkward right shoulder pointing to the rim position. looks good only when it hits the bottom of the net. if not it is just another overrated ugly FGA. with 10% chance of offensive rebound due to "line drive" awkward bounce off the rim.

Yeah, Kobe shoots lasers a lot of the time, which is worse for fg%, rebounding, etc., but it looks so cool when it goes in!

[AlphaWolf24]

Make a thread about Kobe's alltime great jumpshot and guess what?


Jordan Legacy Police show up talking about Muscle density...

:facepalm

[thelucifer69]

Make a thread about Kobe's alltime great jumpshot and guess what?


Jordan Legacy Police show up talking about Muscle density...

:facepalm

Thread Owner second post

Anyone notice on Kobe's patented fade-away, he completely fades while jordan doesnt?

It looks like Jordan is doing half fadeaway compared to kobe.

[gengiskhan]

Yeah, Kobe shoots lasers a lot of the time, which is worse for fg%, rebounding, etc., but it looks so cool when it goes in!

To be honest, nobody shot more lasers than 1991-1993 MJ.

all his fadeaways were line drive in his absolute peak. but MJ got like 2+ feet in the air with high release point.

in other words, 1991-1993 MJ laser line drives were aimed at the back of the rim very comfortably clearing the front of the rim because of the height of 10+ feet at the point of release with shoulders squared about 70% of the time.

Kobe's line drives are released at 8-9 feet because of 1'-1.3' elevation. To make it worse, He actually overfades at the release point loosing more height & he knows that. so he ends up "pushing" the ball with the wrist than softly releasing it with enough reverse spin.

worse. Kobe has using his forearm many times to push the ball. Its just plain ugly at times. maybe because of his knees giving out that he cant get strength in his shot. whatever it is. he should'nt be aiming them from 20 feet if he cannot get proper release. this is resulting in him shooting himself out of the game even in his physical peak.

Irony of the whole thng is, Kobe got perfect small 5'11" player hand size which is perfect for releasing the ball at any point. MJ got huge Dr. J, Shaq type handsize for naturally awkward releasing shot.

MJ adapted his huge hands. Kobe went the other way in efficienty & consistency despite having perfect sized shooters handsize.

[AlphaWolf24]

Thread Owner second post


so?..who cares if he fades further or whatever the post was about..

every single thread having anything to do with Kobe's alltime greatest skillset get's spammed by the Jordan Legacy Police...many players do things better then Jordan...many players do things better then Kobe...many players do things better then Magic and Bird.

I got banned for saying Larry Bird only scored 8 points in back 2 back finals games:lol

Honestly, It's ok and will never change....it's just silly that the Jordan Legacy Police are so sensitive anytime Kobe's #1 alltime skillset is brought up.....

then talking about muscle density like anyone would believe them or act like they even know what the **** they are talking about.


silly and sad....

[Punpun]

he should'nt be aiming them from 20 feet if he cannot get proper release. this is resulting in him shooting himself out of the game even in his physical peak.


I'm seriously laughing my ass off here. Is that a parody ? :oldlol:

[KenneBell]

I'm seriously laughing my ass off here. Is that a parody ? :oldlol:
It's gotta be. :roll:

[Punpun]

Reading that guy, you'd think Kobe is a hs scrub player getting sermoned by his coach. :oldlol:

[bwink23]

so?..who cares if he fades further or whatever the post was about..

every single thread having anything to do with Kobe's alltime greatest skillset get's spammed by the Jordan Legacy Police...many players do things better then Jordan...many players do things better then Kobe...many players do things better then Magic and Bird.

I got banned for saying Larry Bird only scored 8 points in back 2 back finals games:lol

Honestly, It's ok and will never change....it's just silly that the Jordan Legacy Police are so sensitive anytime Kobe's #1 alltime skillset is brought up.....

then talking about muscle density like anyone would believe them or act like they even know what the **** they are talking about.


silly and sad....


His post invited the Jordan police over for a chat....we obliged.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Reading that guy, you'd think Kobe is a hs scrub player getting sermoned by his coach. :oldlol:

Well, in all fairness, Kobe couldn't crack the Lakers starting lineup during Jordan's ERA.

[Punpun]

Indeed. What a scrub.

[bwink23]

Well, in all fairness, Kobe couldn't crack the Lakers starting lineup during Jordan's ERA.


Are you trying to say Kobe played 3 years in the weak 90's and didn't crack 40 points once??

YOU'RE RIGHT

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Are you trying to say Kobe played 3 years in the weak 90's and didn't crack 40 points once??

YOU'RE RIGHT

DA GAWD warming up Eddie Jones' seat. His grace knows no bounds!

Rumor has it, the only reason Eddie was traded is because Kobe tried to spike his Gatorade.

[blablabla]

Are you trying to say Kobe played 3 years in the weak 90's and didn't crack 40 points once??

YOU'RE RIGHT
he dropped 33 on your boy mj
when he was 19 i think

[bwink23]

he dropped 33 on your boy mj
when he was 19 i think

Labradford Smith dropped 37 on Jordan as a rookie when Jordan was in his prime...

Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe......:lol


:coleman:

[AlphaWolf24]

His post invited the Jordan police over for a chat....we obliged.


something tell's me the Jordan Nazi would have weazeled his way in anyways...


book it.

[bwink23]

something tell's me the Jordan Nazi would have weazeled his way in anyways...


book it.

You idiots open the door, we step in....with guns blazing.

:pimp:

[blablabla]

Labradford Smith dropped 37 on Jordan as a rookie when Jordan was in his prime...

Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe......:lol


:coleman:
u r making jordan look bad u realize that

[AlphaWolf24]

he dropped 33 on your boy mj
when he was 19 i think


Kobe Dropped 33 on Jordan right after Highschool....

Kobe Dropped 42 points on Jordan in 1 1/2 quarters...after Kobe learned how to Mamba..

Lord Gawdbe:bowdown: :bowdown:

[bwink23]

u r making jordan look bad u realize that


Not at all....i'm making Kobe look not as good....:D

[AlphaWolf24]

You idiots open the door, we step in....with guns blazing.

:pimp:


Go getem' Winky!! ATTACK!!

http://www.filmcritic.com/features/assets_c/2010/05/space-jam-michael-jordan-thumb-560xauto-30117.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxIkJ6Wi1A

[blablabla]

Not at all....i'm making Kobe look not as good....:D
so we both agree jordan was i bad defender
i mean letting rookies drop 30+ on you that's bad

[gengiskhan]

Kobe Dropped 33 on Jordan right after Highschool....

Kobe Dropped 42 points on Jordan in 1 1/2 quarters...after Kobe learned how to Mamba..

Lord Gawdbe:bowdown: :bowdown:

dont matter.

Being Shaq's little beetch & all the focus on "hack-a-shaq" Defense has helped kobe in the beginning.

Kobe was given those shots as Bulls D focused lot more on Shaq's facial dunks.

reality is any version of kobe can never ever match up against Prime MJ of 1987-1993.

[blablabla]

dont matter.

Being Shaq's little beetch & all the focus on "hack-a-shaq" Defense has helped kobe in the beginning.

Kobe was given those shots as Bulls D focused lot more on Shaq's facial dunks.

reality is any version of kobe can never ever match up against Prime MJ of 1987-1993.
they must have had a lot of fouls to give if they played hack a shaq for 48 minutes

[AlphaWolf24]

dont matter.

Being Shaq's little beetch & all the focus on "hack-a-shaq" Defense has helped kobe in the beginning.

Kobe was given those shots as Bulls D focused lot more on Shaq's facial dunks.

reality is any version of kobe can never ever match up against Prime MJ of 1987-1993.


3 Titles in a watered down league.....from 87' - 90' was getting merked by the Celtics and Pistons..

Kobe was easily a better player and much more asthetically pleasing player to watch.

01' Kobe was just as good if not better then any version of Jordan.

[bwink23]

so we both agree jordan was i bad defender
i mean letting rookies drop 30+ on you that's bad


First off, Kobe wasn't a rookie. Second, he had 14-16 of those points on the Bulls bench scrubs in the 4th quarter. Jordan didn't play the 4th, it was a blowout, and he himself had already netted 36 thru 3 quarters.

Second, you're right. Jordan let that rookie go off on him....which he made up for the very next night, dropping 36 on him in the first half, and holding Smith 2 for 8 shooting in the first half. Call it PAYBACK. Jordan also sat out the 4th quarter of this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdDb32m2EsM

:D

[gengiskhan]

they must have had a lot of fouls to give if they played hack a shaq for 48 minutes

yes they did.

longly:-6 fouls
bill wellington-6 fouls
someone else I forgot 6 fouls

18 fouls to hack shaq off scrubs or bench players. even 6'11" kucoc chipped in regularly too.

Shaq was beast of nature just coming into physical peak. unstoppable 3-4 feet around basket. POOR FT shooter.

Idea was to hack-a-shaq once he backs himself within 4 feet of rim or else, it was vicious facial & 1.

Bulls learned that from 1995 orlando PO series loss. Shaq should get no more than 1-2 dunks. rest. he gotta earn it off poor FT shooting of 55-60%. bulls swept ORL in 1996.

shaq ran off to Hollywood in 1997.

[AlphaWolf24]

yes they did.

longly:-6 fouls
bill wellington-6 fouls
someone else I forgot 6 fouls

18 fouls to hack shaq off scrubs or bench players. even 6'11" kucoc chipped in regularly too.

Shaq was beast of nature just coming into physical peak. unstoppable 3-4 feet around basket. POOR FT shooter.

Idea was to hack-a-shaq once he backs himself within 4 feet of rim or else, it was vicious facial & 1.

Bulls learned that from 1995 orlando PO series loss. Shaq should get no more than 1-2 dunks. rest. he gotta earn it off poor FT shooting of 55-60%. bulls swept ORL in 1996.

shaq ran off to Hollywood in 1997.


mostly wrong....teams often foul Shaq in the 4th quarters of close games because Shaq's skillset of poor FT shooting.

teams would foul Shaq 20' from the hoop and just rebound his missed FT to get possesion.

[macpierce]

This is absolutely pathetic, a thread with a great video has to get derailed by bunch of dumbasses.....just wow :facepalm

ISH really is going down the toilet

[gengiskhan]

3 Titles in a watered down league.....from 87' - 90' was getting merked by the Celtics and Pistons..

Kobe was easily a better player and much more asthetically pleasing player to watch.

01' Kobe was just as good if not better then any version of Jordan.

real point guards. full court pressing D. tons of physical contact allowed. full handchecking. Big Men camping in the paint blocking tons of shots. great centers talent. great power forwards talent. great point guards talent. great off guards talent. great coaches like fratello, wilkins were struggling due to celtics, pistons, bulls, knicks, blazers legacy.

NBAs golden era you idiot. any where from 1982-1999 is as peak as nba can ever be. every night had marque match up.

[AlphaWolf24]

real point guards. full court pressing D. tons of physical contact allowed. full handchecking. Big Men camping in the paint blocking tons of shots. great centers talent. great power forwards talent. great point guards talent. great off guards talent. great coaches like fratello, wilkins were struggling due to celtics, pistons, bulls, knicks, blazers legacy.

NBAs golden era you idiot. any where from 1982-1999 is as peak as nba can ever be. every night had marque match up.


NBA's Golden era the 80's....not the slow hack ball of the 90's...

the 80's where Michael Jordan was a stepping stone for Bird ..

and without PiPPen a .440 winning % and just a baldheaded Dominique Wilkins

[ImmortalD24]

http://i36.tinypic.com/wa3bxj.jpg

Kobe really doesn't need to expend that much energy to get a clean shot because of his high release point (as well as his longer arms).

With Jordan, without that high jump to along with that added separation:

http://i46.tinypic.com/jtl47a.jpg
;)

Yes Jordan gets up higher on his fadeaways, but that doesn't necessarily make it better.MJ has longer wingspan. NOT Kobe. its 2 inches longer than kobe's.
Fact 1. You make up your own "facts" with no source to back up your claim. Besides, wingspan=/= arm length. Jordan probably has a wider frame from shoulder to shoulder, as well as having bigger hands.. but Kobe definitely has longer arms -which was what I was stated clearly. So I stand correct.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4704/2vkz22x.jpg

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/03nbaallstargame/kobe-jordan.jpg


Kobe's turnaround Fadeaway is AMATEURISH.:wtf:

[andgar923]

This thread is a joke, and Kobe fans yet again continue to prove why they're the laughing stock in all of the sports world by embarrassing themselves (yet again).

They always try to find angles/loopholes to prop up Kobe, or make an attempt to diminish MJ... but I believe even some Laker fans are embarrassed by their pathetic desperation.

[AlphaWolf24]

Fact 1. You make up your own "facts" with no source to back up your claim. Besides, wingspan=/= arm length. Jordan probably has a wider frame from shoulder to shoulder, as well as having bigger hands.. but Kobe definitely has longer arms -which was what I was stated clearly. So I stand correct.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4704/2vkz22x.jpg

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/03nbaallstargame/kobe-jordan.jpg

:wtf:


ether..

Jordan lookin like T- rex arms next to Lord Gawdbe..

INB4 muscle density..

[RaininTwos]

This is absolutely pathetic, a thread with a great video has to get derailed by bunch of dumbasses.....just wow :facepalm

ISH really is going down the toilet
op was the one that started the whole jordan thing. oh wait, hes a kobe fan, he did no wrong in your eyes.

[RaininTwos]

Same song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZczejHLBaG4

:oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Thats where i remember it from.

what's the song though? i like it.

[ImmortalD24]

I just want the instrumental though:cry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeAz34RLuPo

Not the best quality, but it's still good.

[KenneBell]

What type of dream world do guys like genghiskhan live in? He was babbling about pure sh*t. :roll:

[RaininTwos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeAz34RLuPo

Not the best quality, but it's still good.

It's not the same. The other one had the triumphant feel to it. Like Kobe was ready to take on the world and shit and these fall a little bit flat. I'm gonna keep doing my research lol

[gengiskhan]

What type of dream world do guys like genghiskhan live in? He was babbling about pure sh*t. :roll:

dumb ass

keep propping up kobe's amateurish fadeaways.

I shoot the same way exactly. come off the pick & 3 dribbles. elevate & push the ball. It goes in looks good. most of the time, you hit back of the rim.

Kobe's fadeaway is a joke. Its easiest shot if you watch the motion & practice it ourself. the reality is you actually get the strength while you are fading. Its like one continious motion. dont fade, you'll might shoot air ball. As your are fading you are pushing the ball with wrist.

But its the worse way of scoring. You'll most often miss then not. just like kobe.

I shot fadeaway all day at my park. Its the easiest shot to shotjock.

DOES NOT MEAN I"VE MASTERED IT OR PERFECTED IT. Just like Kobe.

Kobe actually USES it most because of the convinience.

[ImmortalD24]

dumb ass

keep propping up kobe's amateurish fadeaways.

I shoot the same way exactly. come off the pick & 3 dribbles. elevate & push the ball. It goes in looks good. most of the time, you hit back of the rim.

Kobe's fadeaway is a joke. Its easiest shot if you watch the motion & practice it ourself. the reality is you actually get the strength while you are fading. Its like one continious motion. dont fade, you'll might shoot air ball. As your are fading you are pushing the ball with wrist.

But its the worse way of scoring. You'll most often miss then not. just like kobe.

I shot fadeaway all day at my park. Its the easiest shot to shotjock.

DOES NOT MEAN I"VE MASTERED IT OR PERFECTED IT. Just like Kobe.

Kobe actually USES it most because of the convinience.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2ur8ox2.jpg

[gengiskhan]

This thread is a joke, and Kobe fans yet again continue to prove why they're the laughing stock in all of the sports world by embarrassing themselves (yet again).

They always try to find angles/loopholes to prop up Kobe, or make an attempt to diminish MJ... but I believe even some Laker fans are embarrassed by their pathetic desperation.


"patented" fadeaway. my a$$$$. :lol :lol :lol

those "pseudo" lazy fadeaway dont fall in the Playoffs on the dime.

those pretentiously "perfect" kobe fadeaways dont hit the bottom of the net till the 3rd quarter of the Game 5 of the NBA Finals.

retarded kobe fans dont learn his amateur fadeaways is the reason why Paul Pierce & rival SG Billips mop the floor with Kobe with FMVPs :coleman:

the still dont learn their lesson. what "PATENTED?".

Kobe is the PATENT of MJ wannabe of all. :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Da_Realist]

those pretentiously "perfect" kobe fadeaways dont hit the bottom of the net till the 3rd quarter of the Game 5 of the NBA Finals.


:roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Here is an Interesting point about top 10 scorers in the league

16th season
5th season
9th season
4th season
4th season
9th season
4th season
7th season
5th season
8th season

Another point

5 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
1 ring
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings
0 rings

2EZ

ether

[rodman91]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/jordankobe-295x300.png

Caption this :lol

[SwayDizzle]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/jordankobe-295x300.png

Caption this :lol
Damn son, hardcore ballas. You just know if these two were in their primes around the same time, courts would explode. Whoever says Kobe ain't in the same league as MJ, go f*ck yourself. MJ is better but Kobe sure as f*ck is in the same league, y'all can eat a d*ck.

[gengiskhan]

Damn son, hardcore ballas. You just know if these two were in their primes around the same time, courts would explode. Whoever says Kobe ain't in the same league as MJ, go f*ck yourself. MJ is better but Kobe sure as f*ck is in the same league, y'all can eat a d*ck.

except that Kobe in the late '80s & '90s decade would be competing with Dominique, Drexler, barkley, malone, stockton NOT GOAT MJ.

1984-1998 MJ always a notch above kobe in the league of Magic & Bird.

Kobe's game was /is /will be never at that level.

Just like he competes with Lebron & Wade today, he'd be competing with 2nd tier all-time greats like Barkley, malone, ewing, drexler, stockton etc etc etc.

Still not bad for him.

just a reality check for Kobe'tard deek eaters. :coleman:

[AlphaWolf24]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/jordankobe-295x300.png

Caption this :lol


"Kobe , Next time you drop 55 on me...use vaseline please."

[AlphaWolf24]

except that Kobe in the late '80s & '90s decade would be competing with Dominique, Drexler, barkley, malone, stockton NOT GOAT MJ.

1984-1998 MJ always a notch above kobe in the league of Magic & Bird.

Kobe's game was /is /will be never at that level.

Just like he competes with Lebron & Wade today, he'd be competing with 2nd tier all-time greats like Barkley, malone, ewing, drexler, stockton etc etc etc.

Still not bad for him.

just a reality check for Kobe'tard deek eaters. :coleman:


Kobe = MJ...

both of them at the same time , Kobe's superior skillset and love of the game would send MJ to baseball in 90' instead of 94'

[LABean]

GOAT. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Someone make a gif of that move at 0:19. :applause:

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe = MJ...

both of them at the same time , Kobe's superior skillset and love of the game would send MJ to baseball in 90' instead of 94'
:lol :lol :lol :applause:

[devin112]

Anyone notice on Kobe's patented fade-away, he completely fades while jordan doesnt?

It looks like Jordan is doing half fadeaway compared to kobe.

It worked bro, Jordan did it the way he thought was best and it worked. We get it, you <3 Kobe, no need to take Jordan down a little to do it.

[rfoster24]

watch at the 6:00 mark: makes okafor look stupid lol