Kevin Love just putting up routine 30/15pt games... 30pts right now at start of 4th

[stallionaire]

Who in the history of the NBA has had stats like Love and was snubbed of MVP? I'm not saying LeBron or Durant aren't more worthy.... if you ask me LBJ will probably and desrvingly win MVP. Durant would deserve it too.

I'm just curious if some NBA geeks are here who can snoop around for a guy who has had stats like Love who missed MVP. Equal or better.

[28renyoy]

His defense is complete garbage and he's averaging 26 ppg on 19.3 FGA and 8.5 FTA.

By comparison, Durant is averaging 28 ppg on 19.5 FGA and 7.5 FTA.

Let's not act like this guy is the best scorer in the league

[stallionaire]

His defense is complete garbage and he's averaging 26 ppg on 19.3 FGA and 8.5 FTA.

By comparison, Durant is averaging 28 ppg on 19.5 FGA and 7.5 FTA.

Let's not act like this guy is the best scorer in the league

You're oversimplifying it. Kevin Love is a monster from deep and he still manages to steal everyone's boards. His shooting percentages are elite as well if you look at Durants in comparison.

Love will average more points than Durant by the end of the season if that's what you want me to say as well, at this rate at least. He's climbing.

[rodman91]

34 points 14 rebounds 4 assists 8 minutes left in 4th. :bowdown:

[04mzwach]

:bowdown: He's f*cking killing these b*tches.

[DMAVS41]

His defense is complete garbage and he's averaging 26 ppg on 19.3 FGA and 8.5 FTA.

By comparison, Durant is averaging 28 ppg on 19.5 FGA and 7.5 FTA.

Let's not act like this guy is the best scorer in the league

His DEFENSIVE rebounding is great. And that is part of defense. While he's not a great defensive player, you can't just ignore that he is a great player.

What he is doing this year is amazing.

[kumquat]

His D isn't as bad as some make it out to be. He's not going to get many blocks, but his post D is pretty good.

[04mzwach]

I wish Love would go rebound crazy and get a 40/20 game.

[rodman91]

36 :cheers:

[LBJMVP]

maybe if his team was top three in the west, but his team isnt even in the playoffs.

[stallionaire]

One thing about Love as well... He's redefining the PF role. What he's doing right now is VERY significant for basketball. He's saying that you can be Dirk from downtown and take face up shooters all day while controlling the glass and getting everyone's board. You can't name another player like him in the league. Durant is a throwback silky shooter who's long but you can't tell me there's parts of his game that Love just dominates at in comparison. Let's not forget Love is 23.

[stallionaire]

34 points 14 rebounds 4 assists 8 minutes left in 4th. :bowdown:

36 *

Epic And-One on the fastbreak. We are not worthy. :bowdown:

[MichaelCheazley]

His defense is complete garbage and he's averaging 26 ppg on 19.3 FGA and 8.5 FTA.

By comparison, Durant is averaging 28 ppg on 19.5 FGA and 7.5 FTA.

Let's not act like this guy is the best scorer in the league
Well his ts and whatnot is hurt by him missing shots to stat pad his offensive rebs. The numbers dont show that.

[rodman91]

If Kobe or Lebron was putting those stats, it would be suckfest all over the world.

[04mzwach]

:lol @ those Blake Griffin comparisons earlier. The Clippers would be top seed in the West with Love.

[stallionaire]

Everyone is fast to say that Love is bad on defense but these same people aren't watching Love when he's jumping above everyone else in the post to grab the board. Isn't that defense? Defensive-rebounding?

[Thorn]

Wilt in any year before 1966 minus 1960. Kareem in 1970, '73, '77. Bird in 1987 (28/9/8) Russell won in 1962, leaving out Oscar with 30/10/11 and Elgin with 38/17 in 48 games. Shaq in '01 with 29/13.

Love is at 26/14/2 for the year so far.

[04mzwach]

Well his ts and whatnot is hurt by him missing shots to stat pad his offensive rebs. The numbers dont show that.
Are you saying he risks a loss of possession for rebounds? Yeah, that's what you are saying. You're pathetic. :coleman:

[Fiasco]

:lol @ those Blake Griffin comparisons earlier. The Clippers would be top seed in the West with Love.

Love isn't going to shoot 20 shots a game if he's on the Clippers.

[04mzwach]

Love isn't going to shoot 20 shots a game if he's on the Clippers.
How many then? All you have CP3...

[stallionaire]

Wilt in any year before 1966 minus 1960. Kareem in 1970, '73, '77. Bird in 1987 (28/9/8) Russell won in 1962, leaving out Oscar with 30/10/11 and Elgin with 38/17 in 48 games. Shaq in '01 with 29/13.

Love is at 26/14/2 for the year so far.

Bird 1987 28/9/8 WOW. Was that considered a snub or was MJ's game just that much better ?

[Fiasco]

How many then? All you have CP3...

Blake takes 15 shots a game. He'd probably take that many, 17 at the most. The Clippers have a lot of players that need the ball to be effective.

[stallionaire]

Love isn't going to shoot 20 shots a game if he's on the Clippers.

Yes he would. But then again you have Vinny Del Negro and he's a ****ing idiot.

Love would be taking a TON of shots because of how much CP3 would be giving him the ball on the perimiter as well in the paint.

[stallionaire]

Kevin Love's last board and layup was F.UCKING AMAZING!!!!!! Need a .gif of that.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Kevin Love > Dwight Howard

[stallionaire]

Kevin Love > Dwight Howard

Dwight is an elite center in a league with no elite centers... He's way better and more valuable.

[04mzwach]

Blake takes 15 shots a game. He'd probably take that many, 17 at the most. The Clippers have a lot of players that need the ball to be effective.
He gets extra shots just off of offensive rebounds. I think he'd get all kinds of shots. He can shoot. It makes a difference. CP3 made a living off finding open shooters in N.O. I don't find it a coincidence that their offense struggles.

[Thorn]

Bird 1987 28/9/8 WOW. Was that considered a snub or was MJ's game just that much better ?

Bird finished 3rd that year behind Magic (24/6/12) and MJ (37 PPG). Bird had just reeled off 3 straight MVPs and Magic had improved with his post game and started to take control of the Lakers from Kareem. The Celtics were slipping that year (Bias death, Walton/Wedman injured, then McHale's foot and Parish's ankle later) and their record fell while the Lakers rebounded from their crushing loss against the Rockets to 65-17. I wouldn't consider it a snub.

[rodman91]

42 point 15 rebounds?

[TeamLAC]

KLoooove with the GodStats once again.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Dwight is an elite center in a league with no elite centers... He's way better and more valuable.

I'd rather have Kevin Love on any team in the NBA. Dwight is a slug of an asset in comparison.

[stallionaire]

Bird finished 3rd that year behind Magic (24/6/12) and MJ (37 PPG). Bird had just reeled off 3 straight MVPs and Magic had improved with his post game and started to take control of the Lakers from Kareem. The Celtics were slipping that year (Bias death, Walton/Wedman injured, then McHale's foot and Parish's ankle later) and their record fell while the Lakers rebounded from their crushing loss against the Rockets to 65-17. I wouldn't consider it a snub.

Thanks for the knowledge man.

[stallionaire]

I'd rather have Kevin Love on any team in the NBA. Dwight is a slug of an asset in comparison.

Love's roof is extremely high because of the work he puts into the game and every off-season.

If I were starting a team I'd probably take Love over Dwight but it'd be difficult. I'm a fan of great centers, hate the NBA has so few.

[04mzwach]

only 2 more boards Mr. Love :applause:

[stallionaire]

1 more BOARD LOVE.

[All Net]

40 and 19 :eek: :eek:

[04mzwach]

40/19 :lebron:

[Cowboy Thunder]

Dwight has 12 pts and 5 rebs tonight against the hapless Knicks.

Kevin Love rocks the Bestern Conference.


Give me KLove any day

[04mzwach]

We need a Love smiley....

[GOBB]

Minny is under .500, not in the playoffs and somwhow Love is getting snubbed for MVP. :oldlol:


ANYWAY after I was interuptted by blatant stupidity. Love is a blue collar, grab your lunch pale worker. Clock in, clock out. Round of applause, no Drake.

[Fiasco]

Yes he would. But then again you have Vinny Del Negro and he's a ****ing idiot.

Love would be taking a TON of shots because of how much CP3 would be giving him the ball on the perimiter as well in the paint.

Um, no. We have an actual team. Griffin and Paul get the most touches out of anybody and they only shoot 10 more shots collectively than Love. So there goes that argument.


He gets extra shots just off of offensive rebounds. I think he'd get all kinds of shots. He can shoot. It makes a difference. CP3 made a living off finding open shooters in N.O. I don't find it a coincidence that their offense struggles.

Yeah, wasn't aware he was pulling down 4 offensive rebounds per game. That explains a bit. But our offensive isn't struggling because we don't have the players.. it's because we don't have the coach. Really that simple.

[stallionaire]

Minny is under .500, not in the playoffs and somwhow Love is getting snubbed for MVP. :oldlol:


ANYWAY after I was interuptted by blatant stupidity. Love is a blue collar, grab your lunch pale worker. Clock in, clock out. Round of applause, no Drake.

Do you lack basic reading comprehension or did you skip the original post altogether? Re-read what I said and then come back, son.

[Nash]

Dwight should sign with Minnesota. With him and Love it would be impossible to grab boards and with Rubio's unselfish game. LOL, that would be a great solution for Dwight. Too bad Minnesota is not NY, LA or Miami.

[The Macho Man]

I tell you what, you take Love off the Wolves and they aren't even a playoff team...

[rodman91]

19 rebounds..why not 20?

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i394/Swagengen/0cad4140.png

[Fiasco]

I tell you what, you take Love off the Wolves and they aren't even a playoff team...

lol I get it

[Jameerthefear]

Dwight should sign with Minnesota. With him and Love it would be impossible to grab boards and with Rubio's unselfish game. LOL, that would be a great solution for Dwight. Too bad Minnesota is not NY, LA or Miami.
That would be amazing.

[Nash]

I tell you what, you take Love off the Wolves and they aren't even a playoff team...
They're still not a playoff team.

[I.Malcolm]

Minny is under .500, not in the playoffs and somwhow Love is getting snubbed for MVP. :oldlol:


ANYWAY after I was interuptted by blatant stupidity. Love is a blue collar, grab your lunch pale worker. Clock in, clock out. Round of applause, no Drake.


If we're talking "blue collar hard working PFs" then you are describing Taj Gibson. If we are talking "ultra talented, high ceiling-ed, dynamic PFs" then we are describing Kevin Love.

Most under appreciated player in the game. Who else puts up 40/20 gamse and get's yawned at? Really??

The reason Minny is sub 500 is because their starting PG and C are out and the rest of their team is pretty bad.

[rodman91]

They're still not a playoff team.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/texplainthejoke.jpg

[stallionaire]

Everyone is counting us out of the playoffs.

Take a look at our schedule, it's not impossible to sneak it. Especially with the Nuggets in a spiral. And it's unlikely Utah can keep their momentum up. /hater

[BlackVVaves]

lol I get it

Fiasco, was it you that said that Love is not top 5, and not better than CP3 in that thread on CP3 a few days ago? I know it was a Clipper fan.

If so, I don't think you ever answered me when I asked why you felt that way, apart from being a Clipper fan.

[Myth]

I wish Love would go rebound crazy and get a 40/20 game.

Only 40/19 today. What a loser.

[SpecialQue]

It's retarded how good Love is.

[Myth]

It's good how retarded Love is.

[Fiasco]

They're still not a playoff team.

That's the joke.


Fiasco, was it you that said that Love is not top 5, and not better than CP3 in that thread on CP3 a few days ago? I know it was a Clipper fan.

If so, I don't think you ever answered me when I asked why you felt that way, apart from being a Clipper fan.

Oh that was probably me.

Love isn't better than Paul right now in my eyes. He's been in the league for 4 years and he hasn't even made the playoffs once. Paul has dragged Hornets teams to playoff rounds while putting up great stats, and he's doing it again this year despite working out of his element in LA. Even though he's not the same player he was circa '08, CP3 is still one of the best players in this league and he's certainly better than Love right now.

[Sarcastic]

Wow, I can't believe he didn't get a max from Minnesota. He settled for $60 million, right?

[SpecialQue]

It's good how retarded Love is.

Not a fan?

[maybeshewill13]

Love :bowdown:

3rd in MVP, hands down.

Had 31 FGA today, that's a lot. Still a monster game.

[Fiasco]

Wow, I can't believe he didn't get a max from Minnesota. He settled for $60 million, right?

I thought he was the one that wanted less years?

[BlackVVaves]

That's the joke.



Oh that was probably me.

Love isn't better than Paul right now in my eyes. He's been in the league for 4 years and he hasn't even made the playoffs once. Paul has dragged Hornets teams to playoff rounds while putting up great stats, and he's doing it again this year despite working out of his element in LA. Even though he's not the same player he was circa '08, CP3 is still one of the best players in this league and he's certainly better than Love right now.

I understand your argument, and it would be a valid one if we were comparing who has had the better career, when you are mentioning how long Love has been in the league and what CP3 has done as a Hornet.

BUT.

I just don't see how one can say THIS season CP3 is better than Love. Like I said in the previous thread, he went on a two week stretch averaging 28 and 16. I'm sure in this last week he's been averaging close to those same numbers again. Scored 51 points, then came back with a 30 and 20 game the very next game.

To me, he's been a better individual player THIS season.

[Sarcastic]

I thought he was the one that wanted less years?

Didn't he get 4/$60, and the max they could have offered was 4/$80?

[Myth]

Not a fan?

I was just playing around with the words. I'm bored and avoiding working on my dissertation.

[stallionaire]

Wow, I can't believe he didn't get a max from Minnesota. He settled for $60 million, right?

He took less so we could bring in someone and so he could get an option. He liked the deal.

[Fiasco]

I just don't see how one can say THIS season CP3 is better than Love. Like I said in the previous thread, he went on a two week stretch averaging 28 and 16. I'm sure in this last week he's been averaging close to those same numbers again. Scored 51 points, then came back with a 30 and 20 game the very next game.

To me, he's been a better individual player THIS season.

This season's CP3 has the highest PER out of any guard in the league and his team is sitting at 4th in the West, the same conference Love's team isn't even .500 in.

Chris Paul doesn't need to put up 50 point games because he's busy making the rest of his team better. Love has gaudy stats for a forward with nothing to show for it.

I have no problem saying Love is better than Griffin. But having great individual numbers doesn't put you over other great players when you put them into context.

[Celtic_Pride]

He took less so we could bring in someone and so he could get an option. He liked the deal.

He took less because each franchise can only afford 1 max contract once rookies are done with their rookie contract. His contract was finalized when Rubio was balling and only 1 of Rubio or Love can get the max. Somehow Kahn persuaded him and Love was selfless in accepting that!

I mean he could have easily waited till the offseason. So many franchises would have offered him the max and Wolves would be forced to match it. Instead he decided to take less :applause:

[SpecialQue]

I was just playing around with the words. I'm bored and avoiding working on my dissertation.

Gotta get crackin' on that shit, man.

[Sarcastic]

He took less because each franchise can only afford 1 max contract once rookies are done with their rookie contract. His contract was finalized when Rubio was balling and only 1 of Rubio or Love can get the max. Somehow Kahn persuaded him and Love was selfless in accepting that!

I mean he could have easily waited till the offseason. So many franchises would have offered him the max and Wolves would be forced to match it. Instead he decided to take less :applause:

That's what I thought happened. They screwed him over.

Good luck to Minnesota keeping him after this contract.

Future Laker.

[stallionaire]

That's what I thought happened. They screwed him over.

Good luck to Minnesota keeping him after this contract.

Future Laker.

I hope he takes the Tim Duncan route instead of the Carmelo/LeBron route...

Become the best PF ever in a small market. Honorable.

[get these NETS]

love is a versatile player....clearly dedicated as he's transformed his physical appearance...and game

BUT.....does he vanish on clutch moments?

don't watch his games but with his inside outside game and rebounding....seems like his production would have a better impact on his team's record...


if his team was in top 3 in either conference...he'd be a legit mvp candidate with that kind of production

as it stands, looks like stat padding on a bad team

[Celtic_Pride]

That's what I thought happened. They screwed him over.

Good luck to Minnesota keeping him after this contract.

Future Laker.

Maybe some under the table deal might have happened.

But if Rubio and Pek continues to improve and the Wolves add some good shooters around them, why would Love leave Minnesota?

That's a legit playoff team

[stephanieg]

I enjoy the schism that Love causes in the basketball world. At some early point it was declared his stats are empty by definition, so it doesn't matter what he does -- but he keeps putting up more, as if to see how crazy the denials can be. It's like he could average 50/25 and no one would care.

It's also fun because he's a slow white dude who can barely jump. WEAK ERA RIGHT?

[stallionaire]

Maybe some under the table deal might have happened.

But if Rubio and Pek continues to improve and the Wolves add some good shooters around them, why would Love leave Minnesota?

That's a legit playoff team

He'd be dumb to leave if Rubio works out.

Too many good things are going on in Minnesota. Flexibility under the cap, a lot of money coming off the books this summer... And a vibrant 1, 4, and 5 position in the starting lineup in Rubio, Love, and Pekovic.

All we need is a 1-option shooting guard. People don't understand that our first 6 losses or so added up to combined 13 points. We lose close games because we don't have any shooting at the 2.

I like our depth more than others say but I've seen nearly every game this year and I love our boys lol.

[Sarcastic]

Maybe some under the table deal might have happened.

But if Rubio and Pek continues to improve and the Wolves add some good shooters around them, why would Love leave Minnesota?

That's a legit playoff team

Because he is from California, and if the Lakers come calling, why would he pass that up?

[maybeshewill13]

love is a versatile player....clearly dedicated as he's transformed his physical appearance...and game

BUT.....does he vanish on clutch moments?

don't watch his games but with his inside outside game and rebounding....seems like his production would have a better impact on his team's record...


if his team was in top 3 in either conference...he'd be a legit mvp candidate with that kind of production

as it stands, looks like stat padding on a bad team

No, he's hit game winning/tying shots in the final moments of games a few times this year. Mostly 3 pointers.

[stallionaire]

Because he is from California, and if the Lakers come calling, why would he pass that up?


He's from Oregon, he went to Lake Wasego High School... People overstate his UCLA tenure. He had way more pressure to play for the Ducks.

And don't be so sure. A lot of guys chase stardom and it doesn't always work out. Look at the Knicks.

Love will get offered a lot and I'm certain that the Lakers will be in tank-mode with Kobe being gone/washed up in 3 years.

[32MJ32]

Although he was born in Santa Monica, Kevin Love spent most of his life in Oregon before heading UCLA for college, where he went for one year.

Playing for the Lakers would not exactly be a homecoming for him.

[GOBB]

If we're talking "blue collar hard working PFs" then you are describing Taj Gibson. If we are talking "ultra talented, high ceiling-ed, dynamic PFs" then we are describing Kevin Love.

Most under appreciated player in the game. Who else puts up 40/20 gamse and get's yawned at? Really??

The reason Minny is sub 500 is because their starting PG and C are out and the rest of their team is pretty bad.

High ceiling? :oldlol: What can Love improve upon?

And to say Kevin Love isnt a blue collar player is ridiculous. Maybe you have no clue what the meaning is. He is a productive player who goes out and does his job to the best of his ability. He doesnt complain, doesnt b!tch moan. He gives an honest days work. He can shoot 3-20 and he would still hustle up and down the court, fight for rebounds and give you every ounce of energy he has. To say Taj Gibson is blue collar and Kevin Love isnt? Laughable. Shows you have zero clue the meaning behind it and how its used.

Philly is a blue collar city. Fans enjoy guys like Love who leave it all on the court. Clock in, clock out.

Love is my 3rd favorite player after Wade and Rose. So save me the Mr underappreciated sobb story. Wrong poster.

Love just isnt the type of player I see being the guy who carries your team on his back to glory. He's the kind of player Elton Brand (at his best) was to me. Not comparing games, just impact and carrying a team as the "man".

[stallionaire]

Love is 23. He can improve on so much and you're a ****ing clown if you don't see that.

[stallionaire]

As a huge Kevin Love fan.. to hear someone say he doesn't complain is HILARIOUS. Kid is getting way too emotional lately and he needs to get his nose back in the game.

[BlackVVaves]

This season's CP3 has the highest PER out of any guard in the league and his team is sitting at 4th in the West, the same conference Love's team isn't even .500 in.

Chris Paul doesn't need to put up 50 point games because he's busy making the rest of his team better. Love has gaudy stats for a forward with nothing to show for it.

I have no problem saying Love is better than Griffin. But having great individual numbers doesn't put you over other great players when you put them into context.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. Give me a big that averages 28 points and 16 rebounds over a guard that averages 19 points and 9 assists. History says those type of bigs typically reel in a championship in their career more frequently than those type of guards.

And yes, I don't believe its even a question as to who the better 4 is anymore.

[jlauber]

Who in the history of the NBA has had stats like Love and was snubbed of MVP? I'm not saying LeBron or Durant aren't more worthy.... if you ask me LBJ will probably and desrvingly win MVP. Durant would deserve it too.

I'm just curious if some NBA geeks are here who can snoop around for a guy who has had stats like Love who missed MVP. Equal or better.

Well, in Wilt's 61-62 season, all he did was average 50.4 ppg, 25.7 rpg, and shoot .506 (in a league that shot .426.) He also averaged 39.7 ppg against Russell in their ten H2H games, and 52.7 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy in their ten H2H's.

He finished second in the MVP balloting.

Furthermore, he took what was the same basic LAST PLACE roster he joined in his 59-60 season, thru Syracuse in the first round of the playoffs, and then to a game seven, two-point loss against the 60-20 Celtics, and their SEVEN HOFers. BTW, his cast of clowns roster shot a combined .354 in that post-season.

[get these NETS]

I hope he takes the Tim Duncan route instead of the Carmelo/LeBron route...

Become the best PF ever in a small market. Honorable.


he won't be the best PF EVER for his FRANCHISE..let alone just plain ever...

he has to win a ring there to supplant KG....and I just don't see that happening.

[Fiasco]

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. Give me a big that averages 28 points and 16 rebounds over a guard that averages 19 points and 9 assists. History says those type of bigs typically reel in a championship in their career more frequently than those type of guards.

Those bigs are also very good defensively. Love isn't even average at this point. At the end of the day he's putting up stats on a non-playoff team, no matter how impressive they are (and they are very impressive).


And yes, I don't believe its even a question as to who the better 4 is anymore.

Agreed.

[get these NETS]

No, he's hit game winning/tying shots in the final moments of games a few times this year. Mostly 3 pointers.

thanks

with his skill set, it seems that in clutch moments..he's UNGUARDABLE...

depending on who is guarding him, he can either go to the post or step out and shoot the 3...

team record should be much better

[Deuce Bigalow]

Well, in Wilt's 61-62 season, all he did was average 50.4 ppg, 25.7 rpg, and shoot .506 (in a league that shot .426.) He also averaged 39.7 ppg against Russell in their ten H2H games, and 52.7 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy in their ten H2H's.

He finished second in the MVP balloting.

Furthermore, he took what was the same basic LAST PLACE roster he joined in his 59-60 season, thru Syracuse in the first round of the playoffs, and then to a game seven, two-point loss against the 60-20 Celtics, and their SEVEN HOFers. BTW, his cast of clowns roster shot a combined .354 in that post-season.
He wasn't talking about weak eras

[rodman91]

If Kevin Love can add his game some post moves and low post defense, he'll be GOAT level powerforward. He is only 23 and he has good work ethic. Sky is limit for this guy.

[jlauber]

He wasn't talking about weak eras

I believe it is a SHE, and NO other player EVER dominated an entire league like Chamberlain did that season...except Wilt in 64-65, 65-66, 66-67, ...when he SHELLED his opposing centers...players like Russell, Thurmond, Bellamy, and even Reed when matched up against him,...ALL in the HOF (as well as multiple all-star Zelmo Beaty.) Even in 68-69 he was THE most dominant "big man" in the league, despite being nowhere to be found in the MVP balloting. Here again, he BOMBED MVP Wes Unseld in their H2H's, and POUNDED Russell in their's (and not only did Russell finish higher in the MVP voting, he did so on a team with a WORSE record.)

[Deuce Bigalow]

I believe it is a SHE, and NO other player EVER dominated an entire league like Chamberlain did that season...except Wilt in 64-65, 65-66, 66-67, ...when he SHELLED his opposing centers...players like Russell, Thurmond, Bellamy, and even Reed when matched up against him,...ALL in the HOF (as well as multiple all-star Zelmo Beaty.) Even in 68-69 he was THE most dominant "big man" in the league, despite being nowhere to be found in the MVP balloting. Here again, he BOMBED MVP Wes Unseld in their H2H's, and POUNDED Russell in their's (and not only did Russell finish higher in the MVP voting, he did so on a team with a WORSE record.)
George Mikan

[inclinerator]

i actually thought he would be a scrub entering the league, he's really impressed me

[GOBB]

i actually thought he would be a scrub entering the league, he's really impressed me

WHY? Thats cray. I didnt think he'd be this good but definately far from a scrub.

[I.Malcolm]

High ceiling? :oldlol: What can Love improve upon?

And to say Kevin Love isnt a blue collar player is ridiculous. Maybe you have no clue what the meaning is. He is a productive player who goes out and does his job to the best of his ability. He doesnt complain, doesnt b!tch moan. He gives an honest days work. He can shoot 3-20 and he would still hustle up and down the court, fight for rebounds and give you every ounce of energy he has. To say Taj Gibson is blue collar and Kevin Love isnt? Laughable. Shows you have zero clue the meaning behind it and how its used.

Philly is a blue collar city. Fans enjoy guys like Love who leave it all on the court. Clock in, clock out.

Love is my 3rd favorite player after Wade and Rose. So save me the Mr underappreciated sobb story. Wrong poster.

Love just isnt the type of player I see being the guy who carries your team on his back to glory. He's the kind of player Elton Brand (at his best) was to me. Not comparing games, just impact and carrying a team as the "man".
I don't care what color your collar is, if a player is putting up 26/14 he is doing more than carrying his team.

How can he NOT improve? Look how young he is. He's only going to get better.

[RoseCity07]

Yeah, Kevin Love has placed himself head and shoulders above the rest as the power forward position. Lol if anyone says Griffin is better.

[GOBB]

I don't care what color your collar is

Then shut the f*ck up. Should have excercised that option initially. :confusedshrug:


if a player is putting up 26/14 he is doing more than carrying his team.

Where has Love carried Minny exactly?

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Help you fill out all the excuses.

Chris Bosh produced and put up stats in Toronto too. Zach Randolph has produced as well.

How far do you see Love carrying a team? NBA Finals? WCF? 2nd rd? Or just playoffs? I dont think he can carry a team deep into the postseason, be the reason why a team win the conference if not the entire thing. Durant I can see. Rose I can see. Bron I can see. Kobe I seen. So when I say I dont see him as a guy who carries a team on his back to glory that is what I mean.

He carries them by default no question...I'm arguing how far. If he proves me wrong? I'll eat crow. I enjoy watching the guy.


How can he NOT improve? Look how young he is. He's only going to get better.

Better at what? Maybe improve more in the low post. But I'm not seeing what areas he can improve upon enough to further be an even better player than he has shown so far. Enlighten me.

[sbw19]

I enjoy the schism that Love causes in the basketball world. At some early point it was declared his stats are empty by definition, so it doesn't matter what he does -- but he keeps putting up more, as if to see how crazy the denials can be. It's like he could average 50/25 and no one would care.
Excuse me for believing he's putting up superstar numbers minus superstar impact, but there's a reason behind that..

Minnesota Timberwolves
2111-12 NBA 24 - 27 .481
2010-11 NBA 17 - 65 .207 (44 GB)
2009-10 NBA 15 - 67 .183 5 (38 GB)
2008-09 NBA 24 - 58 .293 4 (30 GB)


Last season he averaged 20/15/2.5 on excellent shooting numbers. Wolves managed 17 wins. He's obviously improved his game this season, and Wolves seemed to be clicking with Adelman coaching prior to Rubio's/Peks injuries, but it's a credit to them more than anything else. Love is excellent at what he does, namely rebounding and shooting the ball, def would love to have him on my team, but to me he's not a franchise player because he's not carrying his team to wins the way a franchise player in his 4th season does. Despite what his numbers suggest.

[AfroSamurai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvsAqkOhI48

[SpaceJammeR]

how does he do it???

[alenleomessi]

Lets see what he can do in the playoffs... oh wait....

Yeah thats right, without Rubio this team sucks and isnt going anywhere no matter what kind of stats Love puts his impact will never be as big as other superstars in this league.

[jlauber]

how does he do it???

With height, weight, and athleticism. That is the only way a player can be dominant in the NBA. He is just bigger, stronger, faster, and able to out-leap all of his peers.

[stax]

Where has Love carried Minny exactly?

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Help you fill out all the excuses.

Chris Bosh produced and put up stats in Toronto too. Zach Randolph has produced as well.

How far do you see Love carrying a team? NBA Finals? WCF? 2nd rd? Or just playoffs? I dont think he can carry a team deep into the postseason, be the reason why a team win the conference if not the entire thing. Durant I can see. Rose I can see. Bron I can see. Kobe I seen. So when I say I dont see him as a guy who carries a team on his back to glory that is what I mean.

He carries them by default no question...I'm arguing how far. If he proves me wrong? I'll eat crow. I enjoy watching the guy.


Yeah this. The MVP award is not about pretty stat lines, it's about winning and leading. Love is where Z-bo was a few years ago, what's been called a '20-10-50 guy' - always good for 20 points, 10 boards and 50 losses. :oldlol:

[Fiasco]

Yeah this. The MVP award is not about pretty stat lines, it's about winning and leading. Love is where Z-bo was a few years ago, what's been called a '20-10-50 guy' - always good for 20 points, 10 boards and 50 losses. :oldlol:

Straight for the jugular. :oldlol:

[SevereUpInHere]

Lets see what he can do in the playoffs... oh wait....

Yeah thats right, without Rubio this team sucks and isnt going anywhere no matter what kind of stats Love puts his impact will never be as big as other superstars in this league.


Checks avatar... Clippers fan. Irony.

[Fiasco]

Checks avatar... Clippers fan. Irony.

Yeah, makes sense because of all those Griffin for MVP threads we had going when the Clippers weren't in the playoffs last year.

[Bigsmoke]

dude's an animal.


Yeah, makes sense because of all those Griffin for MVP threads we had going when the Clippers weren't in the playoffs last year.

Clippers are looking better as of late. Blake and Westbrook would be playing against the Hometown cities if they meet each other in the playoffs

[niko]

His team is falling out of the playoff race, that's not someone who is going to get MVP consideration, even with the sick numbers he puts up.

[Bigsmoke]

Chris Bosh produced and put up stats in Toronto too. Zach Randolph has produced as well.
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Zach averaged 26ppg before? :wtf:


Love is clearly playing in a higher level right now than Zach and Bosh ever played in.

I do think Blake Griffin would be putting up 26ppg if he was in the T-Wolves with Rick Adelman as his coach tho.

[kenny817]

Yeah, makes sense because of all those Griffin for MVP threads we had going when the Clippers weren't in the playoffs last year.

You mean when the clippers weren't in the playoffs EVERY year?

[Fiasco]

You mean when the clippers weren't in the playoffs EVERY year?

Except the Clippers have made the playoffs more recently than the Wolves? LOL next.

[alenleomessi]

:lol @ those Blake Griffin comparisons earlier. The Clippers would be top seed in the West with Love.
Talk about overrating the f*ck out of one player
Clippers are basically the Wolves with CP3 in the place of Rubio
Nah actually they are much worse, Wolves have better center, better SF, arguably better bench and they have the 2nd best coach in the league after Pop while the Clips have the worst dead last 30th coach in the league.
So yeah im sure the Wolves with Love would be like 40-10 :oldlol:

[shallehalle]

Talk about overrating the f*ck out of one player
Clippers are basically the Wolves with CP3 in the place of Rubio
Nah actually they are much worse, Wolves have better center, better SF, arguably better bench and they have the 2nd best coach in the league after Pop while the Clips have the worst dead last 30th coach in the league.
So yeah im sure the Wolves with Love would be like 40-10 :oldlol:
CP3 is the best player on the Clippers, and as you said.. Clippers are basically the Wolves with CP3 in the place of Rubio... besides, Rubio got injured, if not, Wolves could of made the playoffs.

[FireDavidKahn]

Timberwolves PR ‏ @Twolves_PR
Per Elias, the only plyr in the last 15 yrs that had more pts & reb in a single month than Love (469/211) was Shaq (499/218) in March 2001. That means that @kevinlove needs 31 pts and 8 rebs on Friday night to surpass Shaq.

:pimp:

[highwhey]

Regular season record: 25-27
why wait so long to name him GOAT, he's clearly leading his team to finals. don't give me the bs that rubio is injured, until Klove starts to lead his team somewhere other than lottery pick land, than his stats become valuable. the suns, yes, the suns, no klove or other beast like scorer, is one win above minny. goes to prove the importance of having someone who can do more than shoot 3's and grab every board.

[FireDavidKahn]

Regular season record: 25-27
why wait so long to name him GOAT, he's clearly leading his team to finals. don't give me the bs that rubio is injured, until Klove starts to lead his team somewhere other than lottery pick land, than his stats become valuable. the suns, yes, the suns, no klove or other beast like scorer, is one win above minny. goes to prove the importance of having someone who can do more than shoot 3's and grab every board.
BS that Rubio is injured?

Record with Rubio: 22-20 (8th seed in West when he tore ACL)
Record post-Rubio torn ACL: 4-7 (currently 11th in West behind Phoenix Suns)
Record with Rubio in starting lineup: 19-13 (.594 win percentage)
Record without Rubio in starting lineup: 6-11 (.352 win percentage)

:facepalm

How soon people forget that a Kobe lead team missed the play offs when he was in his prime

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2005.html

People need to actually watch Love play and not look at the box scores when evaluating him, something you clearly didn't do.

[Droid101]

Regular season record: 25-27

Look at this garbage post.

Take Love (and Rubio and Pekovic, which they aren't playing with right now) off his team, and they don't win a game this season. Period.

Love is the real MVP this year, but since his team isn't that good it'll go to someone else as usual.

[highwhey]

BS that Rubio is injured?

Record with Rubio: 22-20 (8th seed in West when he tore ACL)
Record post-Rubio torn ACL: 4-7 (currently 11th in West behind Phoenix Suns)
Record with Rubio in starting lineup: 19-13 (.594 win percentage)
Record without Rubio in starting lineup: 6-11 (.352 win percentage)

:facepalm

How soon people forget that a Kobe lead team missed the play offs when he was in his prime

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2005.html

People need to actually watch Love play and not look at the box scores when evaluating him, something you clearly didn't do.
in that case, steve nash needs another mvp. better record than minny and he doesn't depend on anyone on his team. please, a real leader, leads his team to the playoffs by instilling confidence in themselves and making them believe they are better than they truly are. maybe klove needs to be more vocal, maybe he needs to stop chucking 3's and look to distribute the ball so that he can get everyone involved consistantly and keep an offensive rythm going throughout the entire team, not just himself. i'm not calling him selfish, he's clearly the best scorer in his team but until he figures out how to get his entire team involved consistently, they ain't making the playoffs. so what if his teammates are garbage, lebron lead a bunch of d-leaugers to the finals.

no one is taking away anything from his #'s, but generally speaking, they don't carry much legitimacy when considering mvp candidacy. there are teams out there with same terrible or less talent and they manage to do better...

[Droid101]

please, a real leader, leads his team to the playoffs by instilling confidence in themselves and making them believe they are better than they truly are.
Oh, so it's Kevin Love's fault his team plays in a much, much tougher Western conference?

:facepalm

[highwhey]

Look at this garbage post.

Take Love (and Rubio and Pekovic, which they aren't playing with right now) off his team, and they don't win a game this season. Period.

Love is the real MVP this year, but since his team isn't that good it'll go to someone else as usual.
you take love off that team, they'll only drop down 3 floors below their current conference standing :roll: , they are already at a pretty low spot, can't get much lower than that.

he's 23 though, he has plenty of time to prove himself worthy of an mvp...which means taking a team to the playoffs.

[FireDavidKahn]

in that case, steve nash needs another mvp. better record than minny and he doesn't depend on anyone on his team. please, a real leader, leads his team to the playoffs by instilling confidence in themselves and making them believe they are better than they truly are. maybe klove needs to be more vocal, maybe he needs to stop chucking 3's and look to distribute the ball so that he can get everyone involved consistantly and keep an offensive rythm going throughout the entire team, not just himself. i'm not calling him selfish, he's clearly the best scorer in his team but until he figures out how to get his entire team involved consistently, they ain't making the playoffs. so what if his teammates are garbage, lebron lead a bunch of d-leaugers to the finals.

no one is taking away anything from his #'s, but generally speaking, they don't carry much legitimacy when considering mvp candidacy. there are teams out there with same terrible or less talent and they manage to do better...
:oldlol: There! You just outed yourself that you don't even watch him play. He doesn't dominate the ball at all and doesn't disrupt the offensive flow.

[highwhey]

Oh, so it's Kevin Love's fault his team plays in a much, much tougher Western conference?

:facepalm
:roll: :roll: :roll:

omfg. are you really putting up excuses? "it's not my fault" you reak of weakness. :facepalm

i don't see klove complaining about his conference. what about my boy nash? one spot above minny with less talent overall. they are a bunch of scrubs, but he's getting them the ball and is a great leader.

leadership>>>>scoring box #'s.

[FireDavidKahn]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

omfg. are you really putting up excuses? "it's not my fault" you reak of weakness. :facepalm

i don't see klove complaining about his conference. what about my boy nash? one spot above minny with less talent overall. they are a bunch of scrubs, but he's getting them the ball and is a great leader.

leadership>>>>scoring box #'s.
PHX scrubs >>>>> Minny's scrubs.

[highwhey]

:oldlol: There! You just outed yourself that you don't even watch him play. He doesn't dominate the ball at all and doesn't disrupt the offensive flow.
so his 40 points happen by getting that ball off to the open teammate frequently? or does he just make 2-3 good passes and that's considered great distribution?

:rolleyes:

you're completely ignoring the point here, but that's fine, most homers can't view things objectively

[highwhey]

PHX scrubs LEAD by Nash >>>>> Minny's scrubs with Kevin Love.
you forgot something buddy, so i fixed it for you.

both surrounding casts are of similiar talent, give or take, but they are dependent on their leader, in which case, nash is victorious.

[FireDavidKahn]

so his 40 points happen by getting that ball off to the open teammate frequently? or does he just make 2-3 good passes and that's considered great distribution?

:rolleyes:

you're completely ignoring the point here, but that's fine, most homers can't view things objectively
And most idiots can't make good arguments when they don't watch a player play. KLove doesn't even run our offense. Next your gonna tell me he pushes his team mates out of the way for rebounds. :oldlol:

[FireDavidKahn]

so he doesn't handle the responsibility of running the offense? oh lord. and you believe him to be worthy of an mvp?

Who said I believe he is worthy of the MVP?

The PG on this team in this system runs the team, and we saw how good it already is when Rubio was in the starting line up.

[kenny817]

Who said I believe he is worthy of the MVP?

The PG on this team in this system runs the team, and we saw how good it already is when Rubio was in the starting line up.

What was the record with Rubio before he went down??? Couldn't have been too good

[FireDavidKahn]

What was the record with Rubio before he went down??? Couldn't have been too good
Record with Rubio: 22-20 (8th seed in West when he tore ACL)
Record post-Rubio torn ACL: 4-7 (currently 11th in West behind Phoenix Suns)


Record with Rubio in starting lineup: 19-13 (.594 win percentage)
Record without Rubio in starting lineup: 6-11 (.352 win percentage)

[kenny817]

Record with Rubio: 22-20 (8th seed in West when he tore ACL)
Record post-Rubio torn ACL: 4-7 (currently 11th in West behind Phoenix Suns)


Record with Rubio in starting lineup: 19-13 (.594 win percentage)
Record without Rubio in starting lineup: 6-11 (.352 win percentage)


Playoffs were definitely a possibility with Rubio...record was better than I thought thanks. I know they beat us twice Rubio manhandled us

[highwhey]

Record with Rubio: 22-20 (8th seed in West when he tore ACL)
Record post-Rubio torn ACL: 4-7 (currently 11th in West behind Phoenix Suns)


Record with Rubio in starting lineup: 19-13 (.594 win percentage)
Record without Rubio in starting lineup: 6-11 (.352 win percentage)
so title contenders with rubio, lottery pick without?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

stop kidding yourself, they were turrible wit him and w/o. they werent going to keep that .500+ for long :sleeping

[FireDavidKahn]

so title contenders with rubio, lottery pick without?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

stop kidding yourself, they were turrible wit him and w/o. they werent going to keep that .500+ for long :sleeping
Keep arguing against the facts buddy.

[All Net]

Anybody who don't consider him a top 10 player?

[teddytwelvetoes]

So people are finally done claiming LMA > Love? :eek:

[La Frescobaldi]

So people are finally done claiming LMA > Love? :eek:

dude that is, like, so, last week

[GOBB]

Zach averaged 26ppg before? :wtf:


Love is clearly playing in a higher level right now than Zach and Bosh ever played in.

I do think Blake Griffin would be putting up 26ppg if he was in the T-Wolves with Rick Adelman as his coach tho.

Jesus Christ you're so dumb

[obonpaxis]

I mean he could have easily waited till the offseason. So many franchises would have offered him the max and Wolves would be forced to match it. Instead he decided to take less :applause:
His family is loaded with all that Beach Boys money. He can take the smaller paycheck.

[alenleomessi]

Lets get real though Rubio was the clear MVP of that team

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398919_10151440435380277_299735345276_23353114_166 4726770_n.jpg

Get well soon Ricky!

[Gotterdammerung]

Excuse me for believing he's putting up superstar numbers minus superstar impact, but there's a reason behind that..

Minnesota Timberwolves
2111-12 NBA 24 - 27 .481
2010-11 NBA 17 - 65 .207 (44 GB)
2009-10 NBA 15 - 67 .183 5 (38 GB)
2008-09 NBA 24 - 58 .293 4 (30 GB)


Last season he averaged 20/15/2.5 on excellent shooting numbers. Wolves managed 17 wins. He's obviously improved his game this season, and Wolves seemed to be clicking with Adelman coaching prior to Rubio's/Peks injuries, but it's a credit to them more than anything else. Love is excellent at what he does, namely rebounding and shooting the ball, def would love to have him on my team, but to me he's not a franchise player because he's not carrying his team to wins the way a franchise player in his 4th season does. Despite what his numbers suggest.

Solid points.

A franchise player is someone like Duncan or Bird who adds 30+ games to their team's win totals in their rookie campaign and always takes them to the playoffs, no matter how shitty it is.

Regardless, K-Love is a great player, and has surpassed all of my expectations. :cheers:

[FireDavidKahn]

Solid points.

A franchise player is someone like Duncan or Bird who adds 30+ games to their team's win totals in their rookie campaign and always takes them to the playoffs, no matter how shitty it is.

Regardless, K-Love is a great player, and has surpassed all of my expectations. :cheers:
So Lebron isn't a franchise player?

[Gotterdammerung]

So Lebron isn't a franchise player?
:no:
He is. Now.

He wasn't one as a 19 year old rookie, yet we all saw the potential.

Bird (junior) & Duncan (senior) were seasoned college vets by the time they were rookies.

LeBron's impact would've been similar had he gone to college.

Context is everything. ;)

[La Frescobaldi]

Solid points.

A franchise player is someone like Duncan or Bird who adds 30+ games to their team's win totals in their rookie campaign and always takes them to the playoffs, no matter how shitty it is.

Regardless, K-Love is a great player, and has surpassed all of my expectations. :cheers:
????

The 79-80 Celtics were a helva lot better squad than The Timberwolves, and the Spurs? Kevin Love has never seen a center in his entire NBA experience who compares to D. Robinson.

I mean, I hear you about the Wilt Chamberlain Effect.... but wow I'm not sure even those Warriors were as bad as the TW. I'd rather have old Tom Meschery than almost anybody on Love's rookie team. Seriously. At least he was good at his job which was hockey enforcer.

Not only that but look at Randy Wittman now THERE'S a coach:
Season Team G W* L** %* W>.500
2006-07 MIN 42 12 30 .286 -9.0
2007-08 MIN 82 22 60 .268 -19.0
2008-09 MIN 19 04 15 .211 -5.5
2011-12 WAS 32 09 23 .281 -7.0

Wittman's gonna build a winning culture comparable to Popovich or Fitch?

I mean, in theory it's a good point, but look at this season as an example:
Where is Love's starting point ? injured.
Where is Love's starting center? injured.
How many games has 6th man beasley either been injured or zonked? And why exactly is Beasley a 6th man?
What other team would take Tolliver, Webster, Ellington, or......... Darko?
Darko is so bad when Nik got injured...... they played him 5 minutes and benched him permanently - AND THE WHOLE WORLD AGREES WITH ADELMAN

I mean, I hear what you're saying, but I dunno.......

[bagelred]

MVP of the Lottery:bowdown:

Wolves just beat the Bobcats, motherf-cker!!!:bowdown:

[ImmortalNemesis]

Talk to me when the guy can lead his team to the playoffs.

Scratch that, talk to me when the guy can lead his team to an above .500 record.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Solid points.

A franchise player is someone like Duncan or Bird who adds 30+ games to their team's win totals in their rookie campaign and always takes them to the playoffs, no matter how shitty it is.

Regardless, K-Love is a great player, and has surpassed all of my expectations. :cheers:

I think your'e right. I can't put my finger on exactly why that is though. His lack of defense maybe? Idk. But a player capable of putting up his numbers should easily have his team in the playoffs every season. Sure, he may not be able to contend for a ring without some good teammates, but the playoffs *should* be a given. Lebron got a shitty cast to the playoffs without a second thought every year in Cleveland, though they weren't good enough to win.

I don't know what it is. The team has improved every year though so maybe it's just too early to say. The T-Wolves would be a playoff team in the East as well.