Kareem's Skyhook *WARNING - Content Others May Find Disturbing*

[CavaliersFTW]

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...difficult to watch

[AlphaWolf24]

Watching those just reminds me...how far we have come a a sport.

those were High Level post moves back in the day..especially the shoulder fake.

Now every 5th grader can do those moves...

Wilt and Kareem = Javalee Mcgee in modern era.

[TheBluest]

Were we not told this is an unguardable shot?

[Kblaze8855]

Not too shocking from Artis

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvxc87AgC1qbcyhro1_500.jpg

[nathanjizzle]

basketball was not at a very high level back then.

[dunksby]

Blatant goal tending :facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

Were we not told this is an unguardable shot?

Publicly yes, it is unguardable. But this is blacklist content... So politically incorrect it just had to been censored.

[dunksby]

Publicly yes, it is unguardable. But this is blacklist content... So politically incorrect it just had to been censored.
LMAO you are such a sad old fart, your weak sight can't see them, I guess cant blame you for that.

[CavaliersFTW]

LMAO you are such a sad old fart, your weak sight can't see them, I guess cant blame you for that.

:roll:

I'm 25... such an old fart :lol

[CavaliersFTW]

Watching those just reminds me...how far we have come a a sport.

those were High Level post moves back in the day..especially the shoulder fake.

Now every 5th grader can do those moves...

Wilt and Kareem = Javalee Mcgee in modern era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LveDCUsfoSk

:lol

[BlueandGold]

:roll:

I'm 25... such an old fart :lol
By ISH standards you are practically senile. :facepalm

[Punpun]

Dat goaltending. Don't watch it, will wreak your heart.

Proof :

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20120329/Goaltending.png

Goaltendin all day erryday.

[CavaliersFTW]

Dat goaltending. Don't watch it, will wreak your heart.

Proof :

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20120329/Goaltending.png

Goaltendin all day erryday.

:confusedshrug:

where's the proof?

:lol

[Punpun]

Ball is same place in second image than in the first after Wilt touched it. And wilt made it go higher. Thus the ball was already in the second part of it's arc. THerefore it's goaltending.

CQFD.

[sagr32]

That first one is definitely called a goaltending nowadays. It was practically on its way down as soon as it left his hand

[Whoah10115]

The first one is a blatant goaltend and I think goaltending was already illegal by 1971.



And you know that the way you posted these clips is just going to illicit jerky responses...even without the goaltend.




Watching those just reminds me...how far we have come a a sport.

those were High Level post moves back in the day..especially the shoulder fake.

Now every 5th grader can do those moves...

Wilt and Kareem = Javalee Mcgee in modern era.




NBA players don't even do those shoulder fakes, so your point = shut the **** up.

[CavaliersFTW]

Ball is same place in second image than in the first after Wilt touched it. And wilt made it go higher. Thus the ball was already in the second part of it's arc. THerefore it's goaltending.

CQFD.

That guys name is Artis Gilmore... U prob never heard of him, he played before the Kobe era :lol

[Punpun]

Whoever that was it was goaltending. Didn't even bother with the second gif where it's Wilt whose playing. (Fist block in that one is goaltending too while the second one is basic nlock and not the skyhook)

[CavaliersFTW]

The first one is a blatant goaltend and I think goaltending was already illegal by 1971.



And you know that the way you posted these clips is just going to illicit jerky responses...even without the goaltend.








NBA players don't even do those shoulder fakes, so your point = shut the **** up.


Whether they look like Goal tends or not, neither were whistled as goal tends and the ball was kept in play because ultimately it is ref discretion. Goal tending rule has been a part of basketball since before the 1950's.

I expect backlash from controversial posts like this, it's Kareem's sacred, elegant skyhook and it has never looked uglier than in those GIFs :roll:

It's sacrilege...

:lol

[CavaliersFTW]

Whoever that was it was goaltending. Didn't even bother with the second gif where it's Wilt whose playing. (Fist block in that one is goaltending too while the second one is basic nlock and not the skyhook)

http://www.thebrosettastone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/freeman-he-mad.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

That first one is definitely called a goaltending nowadays. It was practically on its way down as soon as it left his hand

Goal tending is the same today as it was then. Your Goal tend analysis based on shaky video camera footage with odd angles still won't change the fact that the refs kept it in play

[Punpun]

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20120329/no20u202.jpg

[PTB Fan]

Gilmore's block was goaltending.

Still an amazing effort.

Wilt's arguable, but i'd say he blocked that cleanly.

[AlphaWolf24]

The first one is a blatant goaltend and I think goaltending was already illegal by 1971.



And you know that the way you posted these clips is just going to illicit jerky responses...even without the goaltend.








NBA players don't even do those shoulder fakes, so your point = shut the **** up.


http://www.thebrosettastone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/freeman-he-mad.jpg

[Bigsmoke]

Watching those just reminds me...how far we have come a a sport.

those were High Level post moves back in the day..especially the shoulder fake.

Now every 5th grader can do those moves...

Wilt and Kareem = Javalee Mcgee in modern era.

where would u rank Hakeem Olajuwon in todays game?

[Phong]

Goaltendings. The first one is very obvious on the slow-mo.. the second is borderline but you can see the ball already reached its apex before the block.

[Sarcastic]

All 3 were clean blocks.

[sagr32]

Goal tending is the same today as it was then. Your Goal tend analysis based on shaky video camera footage with odd angles still won't change the fact that the refs kept it in playI won't comment on how goaltending was called back then cause i wasn't around to watch it but the first one was a clear goaltend whether they called it or not. The thing about that shot is that it never really got much higher then his initial release so it can't really be called a block based on it soley being on its downward trajectory. In that GIF it got up a bit and as the ball started going down Gilmore blocked it. If that isn't a goaltend I don't know what is.

[AlphaWolf24]

where would u rank Hakeem Olajuwon in todays game?


oh..a 90's star with Dream's skillset...easily 18 - 20ppg 10 - 12 reb for prime Dream..outside of peak play...10 - 14 PPG 7 - 9 reb...

[Punpun]

All 3 were clean blocks.

Only the third block was. :oldlol:

[Bigsmoke]

oh..a 90's star with Dream's skillset...easily 18 - 20ppg 10 - 12 reb for prime Dream..outside of peak play...10 - 14 PPG 7 - 9 reb...

i'm 23 so i'm not an old school junky but Hakeem averaged 17 in 1999. you're telling me Hakeem in his prime wouldn't average more PPG than David Lee if he was playing in the league today when he outscored Shaq in the Finals.

Prime Shaq is a 16ppg scorer in the NBA today right? :biggums:

Kareem and McGee shouldnt even be in the same sentence.

[AlphaWolf24]

i'm 23 so i'm not an old school junky but Hakeem averaged 17 in 1999. you're telling me Hakeem in his prime wouldn't average more PPG than David Lee if he was playing in the league today when he outscored Shaq in the Finals.

Prime Shaq is a 16ppg scorer in the NBA today right? :biggums:

Kareem and McGee shouldnt even be in the same sentence.

so if he averaged 17 in 1999....what did he average in 1994 in his prime??



and why are you talking about Dream who was a star in the 90's...when I was talking about 2 generations before that???

[DonDadda59]

i'm 23 so i'm not an old school junky but Hakeem averaged 17 in 1999. you're telling me Hakeem in his prime wouldn't average more PPG than David Lee if he was playing in the league today when he outscored Shaq in the Finals.

Prime Shaq is a 16ppg scorer in the NBA today right? :biggums:

Kareem and McGee shouldnt even be in the same sentence.

A small, weak, unathletic scrub ass Hakeem with moves that every 5th grader can pull off would be lucky to post 10 PPG and 5 RPG at his peak. Today's league has hyper athletes like this putting up 27 PPG 15 RPG:

http://www.kevinlove.org/kevin-love.jpg

:lol

[AlphaWolf24]

A small, weak, unathletic scrub ass Hakeem with moves that every 5th grader can pull off would be lucky to post 10 PPG and 5 RPG at his peak. Today's league has hyper athletes like this putting up 27 PPG 15 RPG:

http://www.kevinlove.org/kevin-love.jpg

:lol

yes because Kevin Duckworth was a super Athlete..(sighs)


I was talking about 50's / 60's era players...and then he brought up Hakeem??

kid is crazy.

[Kiarip]

Watching those just reminds me...how far we have come a a sport.

those were High Level post moves back in the day..especially the shoulder fake.

Now every 5th grader can do those moves...

Wilt and Kareem = Javalee Mcgee in modern era.

holy SHIT are you a moron or what.

[Kiarip]

so if he averaged 17 in 1999....what did he average in 1994 in his prime??



and why are you talking about Dream who was a star in the 90's...when I was talking about 2 generations before that???

because kareem outplayed Hakeem when Kareem was very old, and Wilt played pretty even-ish against Kareem when Kareem was in his Prime and Wilt was old and injured

[CavaliersFTW]

I won't comment on how goaltending was called back then cause i wasn't around to watch it but the first one was a clear goaltend whether they called it or not. The thing about that shot is that it never really got much higher then his initial release so it can't really be called a block based on it soley being on its downward trajectory. In that GIF it got up a bit and as the ball started going down Gilmore blocked it. If that isn't a goaltend I don't know what is.

To be fair that's an ABA vs NBA all-star game. It isn't possible the ref's were either bias (if hosted by the ABA) or perhaps letting stuff fly to keep the game entertaining. I should note Kareem does not complain or even give a glance to the refs in any of the 2 clips in the footage I pulled them from. You'd think he'd be kinda pissed if those guys were goal tending him w/o getting calls no? If not the All-Star game then certainly that LA/Bucks playoff game

[AlphaWolf24]

because kareem outplayed Hakeem when Kareem was very old, and Wilt played pretty even-ish against Kareem when Kareem was in his Prime and Wilt was old and injured


my fault , I was just referencing the skillset...similar to lesser Bigs today (my example was Mcgee)...

no one knows how they would do in modern era's...still prolly be amazing just need more skill's to dominate the same way.

[CavaliersFTW]

because kareem outplayed Hakeem when Kareem was very old, and Wilt played pretty even-ish against Kareem when Kareem was in his Prime and Wilt was old and injured

Wilt outplayed Kareem in the playoffs. Not necessarily the regular season (especially in '72) but both playoff matchups Wilt has the upper hand. In '71 he played so well against Kareem the Milwaukee Bucks fans gave him a several minute standing ovation for the show he put on. Old veterans can still ball when it counts. Your point still stands, I was just reinforcing it even more so based on how Wilt did against the then "MVP" Kareem.

[sagr32]

To be fair that's an ABA vs NBA all-star game. It isn't possible the ref's were either bias (if hosted by the ABA) or perhaps letting stuff fly to keep the game entertaining. I should note Kareem does not complain or even give a glance to the refs in any of the 2 clips in the footage I pulled them from. You'd think he'd be kinda pissed if those guys were goal tending him w/o getting calls no? If not the All-Star game then certainly that LA/Bucks playoff game If it was an in all star game I can see why it might not be called. i mean the all star game is all about entertainment and how much more entertainment could you get at that time then kareem's hook being blocked. And those gifs didn't show kareems reaction so how could you know he didn't complain to the refs had it been a playoff or regular season game?

[Bigsmoke]

because kareem outplayed Hakeem when Kareem was very old, and Wilt played pretty even-ish against Kareem when Kareem was in his Prime and Wilt was old and injured

this

[Kiarip]

my fault , I was just referencing the skillset...similar to lesser Bigs today (my example was Mcgee)...

no one knows how they would do in modern era's...still prolly be amazing just need more skill's to dominate the same way.
what? they have better skillset than all active bigs today...


Mcgee doesn't have a great skillset at all.

and they were way more skilled than dwight who's like the best now although not the most skilled.

[CavaliersFTW]

my fault , I was just referencing the skillset...similar to lesser Bigs today (my example was Mcgee)...

no one knows how they would do in modern era's...still prolly be amazing just need more skill's to dominate the same way.

McGee and "skill set" in the same sentence as KAJ are you nuts!? :roll:

Your poor child, the issue at hand here is that since post-play and back-to-the basket skills have eroded into oblivion you are incapable of EVEN RECOGNIZING THEM.

:lol You poor child. Bless your soul. Some day you will learn about post skill I have faith in you.

[CavaliersFTW]

If it was an in all star game I can see why it might not be called. i mean the all star game is all about entertainment and how much more entertainment could you get at that time then kareem's hook being blocked. And those gifs didn't show kareems reaction so how could you know he didn't complain to the refs had it been a playoff or regular season game?

Because I made the gifs and trimmed them down from video that was longer than the gifs themselves.

[wakencdukest]

So 3 blocked shots means what? 99.9% of his skyhooks didn't get blocked.

[CavaliersFTW]

So 3 blocked shots means what? 99.9% of his skyhooks didn't get blocked.

99.9% were never touched - or something along those lines for sure

I'm not trying to prove anything I just think it's funny to see basketballs most unstoppable shot in history suddenly get denied. That beautiful masterpiece of a shot suddenly looks as trashed as any other blocked shot once it goes sailing in the other direction :lol

Most players never even get close to the ball once Kareem released it so it's impressive A-Train and Wilt could even get at it. No disrespect to the Skyhook. It's still the greatest NBA weapon of all time imo

[wakencdukest]

99.9% were never touched - or something along those lines for sure

I'm not trying to prove anything I just think it's funny to see basketballs most unstoppable shot in history suddenly get denied. That beautiful masterpiece of a shot suddenly looks as trashed as any other blocked shot once it goes sailing in the other direction :lol

Most players never even get close to the ball once Kareem released it so it's impressive A-Train and Wilt could even get at it. No disrespect to the Skyhook. It's still the greatest NBA weapon of all time imo


What impressed me was Wilt getting two of them on the same play.

[La Frescobaldi]

What impressed me was Wilt getting two of them on the same play.

Kareem was a tremendous basketball player at UCLA, but he got his doctorate in basketball by studying under the aged lion Wilt Chamberlain.

[CavaliersFTW]

What impressed me was Wilt getting two of them on the same play.

He and Gilmore can both jump, but Wilt's got exceptional timing, check out this 2 on 1 chase-down play that he breaks up and blocks. His eyes never left the ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXHYlPECcc&t=12m23s

[La Frescobaldi]

99.9% were never touched - or something along those lines for sure

I'm not trying to prove anything I just think it's funny to see basketballs most unstoppable shot in history suddenly get denied. That beautiful masterpiece of a shot suddenly looks as trashed as any other blocked shot once it goes sailing in the other direction :lol

Most players never even get close to the ball once Kareem released it so it's impressive A-Train and Wilt could even get at it. No disrespect to the Skyhook. It's still the greatest NBA weapon of all time imo

If you mean single type of shot, maybe.

The greatest NBA weapon of all time was Chamberlain's post game.
He didn't just write the book - he invented the entire encyclopedia. To this day I have never seen a post move that Wilt didn't have in his 1966-1969 arsenal.

Sure they've become more polished over the decades, but there's not been anything he didn't do waaaaaaaaaay back when.

[Punpun]

Thing is out of the three block here. 2 were goaltending. The other was legit. A legit block to a normal lay-up.

[La Frescobaldi]

Thing is out of the three block here. 2 were goaltending. The other was legit. A legit block to a normal lay-up.

1. no call, it didn't happen.
2. camera angle.

Chamberlain blocked lots of skyhooks believe me. I saw it happen a lot

[zizozain]

Dat goaltending. Don't watch it, will wreak your heart.

Proof :

http://imageftw.com/uploads/20120329/Goaltending.png

Goaltendin all day erryday.
OP sodomized

good job Punpun

[CavaliersFTW]

If you mean single type of shot, maybe.

The greatest NBA weapon of all time was Chamberlain's post game.
He didn't just write the book - he invented the entire encyclopedia. To this day I have never seen a post move that Wilt didn't have in his 1966-1969 arsenal.

Sure they've become more polished over the decades, but there's not been anything he didn't do waaaaaaaaaay back when.

Yah I just meant single shot - I'm gonna have to look at my 66-69 footage and take a look at his post-play - I do remember seeing a unique baseline spin in some '68 footage that really surprised me. I haven't had a good look at all his game footage from those years yet

[Owl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r09WtKVwaMU
A post prime (certainly post athletic prime) KAJ skyhook getting blocked by 6'8 pogo leaper Bill Willoughby (one of the few pre-KG preps to pros guys).

Anyway Kareem was awesome and anyone comparing Wilt with Javale McGee ... just wow :rolleyes:

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r09WtKVwaMU
A post prime (certainly post athletic prime) KAJ skyhook getting blocked by 6'8 pogo leaper Bill Willoughby (one of the few pre-KG preps to pros guys).

Anyway Kareem was awesome and anyone comparing Wilt with Javale McGee ... just wow :rolleyes:

He blocked Kareem's dunk attempt, Kareem's entire approach before contact is tit for tat identical to what he does throwing down one of his signature dunks, watch a skyhook highlight video - the approach for a skyhook looks entirely different and is consistent in form every time.

[Punpun]

So Kareem skyhook is the number 1 shot in the game.

1. Kareem's skyhook
2.a. Dirk's fadeaway
2.b Hakeem's fadeaway
2.c Wilt's fadeaway
5.

Help me complete the list Cavaliers. Thanks.

[CavaliersFTW]

So Kareem skyhook is the number 1 shot in the game.

1. Kareem's skyhook
2. Dirk's Fadeaway ? Hakeem's ?

Help me complete the list Cavaliers.
Add to that, the creator of the (big man) fade-away, Wilt



One tier down are these shots:

Jerry West's, Ray Allen's, Larry Bird's, Reggie Miller's jumpers - almost impossible to get a hand on, most of them have a reputation for clutch to add insult to injury when the game is on the line.

The 20+ times it's on footage I've never seen Wilt's finger roll get close to being blocked, and West reinforces it's effectiveness saying you just can't stop it after Wilt uses it in the '71 game against the Bulls. However, it isn't able to be shot from a wide range of spots on the floor.

Hakeem's Dream Shake, same as Wilt's finger roll. Virtually unstoppable, just doesn't have the same flexibility as the aforementioned mid-range fade-away shots.

Gervin's Finger Roll's. Same as with Wilt, virtually unblockable




I'm sure there's more - anyone feel free to add to this

[Mach_3]

Add to that, the creator of the (big man) fade-away, Wilt



One tier down are these shots:

Jerry West's, Ray Allen's, Larry Bird's, Reggie Miller's jumpers - almost impossible to get a hand on, most of them have a reputation for clutch to add insult to injury when the game is on the line.

Never seen Wilt's finger roll blocked, and West reinforces it's effectiveness saying you just can't stop it after Wilt uses it in the '71 game against the Bulls. However, it isn't able to be shot from a wide range of spots on the floor.

Hakeem's Dream Shake, same as Wilt's finger roll. Virtually unstoppable, just doesn't have the same flexibility as the aforementioned mid-range shot.

Gervin's Finger Roll. Same as with Wilt, virtually unblockable




I'm sure there's more - anyone feel free to add to this

Jordan's fadeaway?

Bird's......everything?

Btw Gilmore's block was clearly goaltending but then again were seeing it in slow motion as compared to the refs

[CavaliersFTW]

What impressed me was Wilt getting two of them on the same play.

Also, just noticed Kareem switched hands after it was blocked the first time so Wilt tallied a right and left handed skyhook

[CavaliersFTW]

Jordan's fadeaway?

Bird's......everything?

Btw Gilmore's block was clearly goaltending but then again were seeing it in slow motion as compared to the refs

Yah plus as said earlier, it's the NBA vs ABA all-star game. The refs might be letting stuff slide a little for some better entertainment. Still impressive that he can even reach it, most players can't even get close to the ball on Kareem's skyhook.

[HylianNightmare]

Not too shocking from Artis

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvxc87AgC1qbcyhro1_500.jpg
holy shit

too bad both of the vids were goaltends:no:

[Mach_3]

Yah plus as said earlier, it's the NBA vs ABA all-star game. The refs might be letting stuff slide a little for some better entertainment. Still impressive that he can even reach it, most players can't even get close to the ball on Kareem's skyhook.

Very true, and as you can see (I'm sure you already know though) from Kblaze post that Gilmore could jump out the gym like nobody's business that was an excellent effort to block Kareem's shot :bowdown:

[Loneshot]

Blatant goal tending :facepalm

Seriously :roll:

[jlauber]

Not too shocking from Artis

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvxc87AgC1qbcyhro1_500.jpg

And yet I wonder how many here have ever heard the name of Sidney Wicks...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1083463/2/index.htm


Wooden waited until just before the game to tell Wicks he was guarding Gilmore, who is so tall that he can stand flat-footed and touch the rim with the ball. "I thought I was going to guard anybody but him," said Sidney. The original strategy was for Wicks to stay at Gilmore's side, like a Siamese twin, while the other Bruins pressured the passers. It didn't work. Artis scored three times from in close (he never scores from anywhere else) and Jacksonville had a quick eight-point lead, 14-6, when UCLA finally woke up enough to call time-out.

Wooden moved Wicks around behind Gilmore and had Patterson and others ease off their own men a little to help out. "If Gilmore did get it inside," said Wooden later, "it would be in close quarters and difficult for him to get the shot. With men all around you with their hands up, it's just not that easy."

The important hands belonged to Wicks, "the most intimidating man in basketball," according to one West Coast coach. Gilmore had replaced Alcindor as the premier shot-blocker in the country, but Wicks, giving away six inches, blocked Artis' shots four times. "I couldn't move him no kinda way," said Sidney, whose famous glare did not have much effect, possibly because it only reached Gilmore's collarbone. "So I tried to make him get the ball six or seven feet from the basket and I'd back off him. Then I had room to jump between him and the hoop."

It's hard to say whether Wicks' defense intimidated Gilmore, but for whatever reason Artis had a horrible shooting night—nine for 29—and was out-rebounded by Sidney 18 to 16.



That article didn't mention a key play in that game. THE statement of the game came early...Wicks DUNKED on Artis early in the game (dunking was illegal back then), and Gilmore was shell-shocked the rest of the game.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19700325&id=tO9OAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vgEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5710,2914494


In any case, Gilmore came into that game as the nation's leading rebounder (I believe at around 25 rpg), and was shooting over 60% from the floor. Wicks blocked FOUR (or perhaps even FIVE...depending on who you choose to believe) of his shots, held him to a miserable 9-29 shooting performance, and, he OUTREBOUNDED Gilmore, 18-16.