Who is the most average player in the NBA?

[Faptastrophe]

This question rarely gets asked (probably for good reasons), but it's interesting nonetheless. http://i.imgur.com/SiMeW.png

[RRR3]

This question rarely gets asked (probably for good reasons), but it's interesting nonetheless. http://i.imgur.com/SiMeW.png
Is that a Jeff smiley? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Faptastrophe]

Is that a Jeff smiley? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Yes, you're right. :rolleyes:

On the topic: I think the league average for PER is supposed to be 15? By that metric, the 2 closest players are Jonas Jerebko (15.02), Jamal Crawford (15.04), and Enes Kanter (14.95).
But I don't really know if PER is the best way to go about his.


What about Matt Barnes?

[kNIOKAS]

Willie Green.

[Flagrant 2]

What about Matt Barnes?
As a Lakers fan, that's the exact same player that came to mind.

[Maniak]

You would probably determine this by averaging out every stat(ppg, apg, mpg, etc), then averaging out weight, height, and age.

I suppose you could also get the averages of all made up stats(per and so forth) and include that.

Then from that you get the player that is closest to all those averages.

I'm far too lazy to do that, but that's probably the most effective process to determine the most average player.

[Rnbizzle]

Caron Butler? He's better but he still feels so average in every possible way to me.

[SonOfMattGeiger]

current grant hill

[HylianNightmare]

Chris duhon

[colorz]

Wesley Matthews

[Eric Cartman]

Devin Harris.

[bagelred]

Jarrett Jack

[DukeDelonte13]

anthony parker. not bad. not good. just adequate.

[stephanieg]

You'd probably want median because most players are trash but the average is pulled up by super stars. Like if Bill Gates walks into the room the average net worth is suddenly 40 billion.

[bmulls]

You'd probably want median because most players are trash but the average is pulled up by super stars. Like if Bill Gates walks into the room the average net worth is suddenly 40 billion.

If most players are trash, the average is pulled down. A really good PER is like 25, the handful of superstars aren't enough to bring up the hundreds of scrubs.

[pegasus]

Jarrett Jack

Except he is one of the toughest guards in the league, and is currently averaging 16/6/4. He is definitely above average.

[Jasi]

Why do you guys keep mentioning starters?
Your average (or median if you wish) NBA player won't be a starter by definition, since there are way less starters than bench players.

My candidate is Bill Walker.

[wally_world]

Carmelo Anthony :lol

[iamgine]

Jared Dudley

He fits the average height, age, seasons played of NBA players. His stats are pretty average too. Not too good or bad.

[LockoutOver11]

aaron affalo... the guy you would want on your team but know he's not a superstar. D, Three Point Shooting, Mid Range... idk.

[RRR3]

I always thought Marvin Williams was the epitome of mediocrity

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Andre Igoudala -his defense. He does nothing really good except D.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

How about the most average superstar in the league?

[MiseryCityTexas]

Andre Igoudala -his defense. He does nothing really good except D.

good player, but notorious for choking in crunch time lol.

[For_Three]

aaron affalo... the guy you would want on your team but know he's not a superstar. D, Three Point Shooting, Mid Range... idk.


Aaron is above average...

[DuMa]

jason richardson

[Noyze]

Mike Dunlevy jr.

[Rojogaqu11]

Kyle Korver

[LA_Showtime]

Probably a guy like Luke Walton. Solid skills, no athleticism, so-so jump shot.

:oldlol: @ guys like Bill Walker. That cat has a 40-inch vertical. In what country (Africa, perhaps?) is that average?

[MiseryCityTexas]

Probably a guy like Luke Walton. Solid skills, no athleticism, so-so jump shot.

:oldlol: @ guys like Bill Walker. That cat has a 40-inch vertical. In what country (Africa, perhaps?) is that average?

lol bill walker is still garbage regardless.

[Kebab Stall]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/rr2nu/who_is_the_most_average_player_in_the_nba/

This you OP? or are you jacking someone's shit?

[Faptastrophe]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/rr2nu/who_is_the_most_average_player_in_the_nba/

This you OP? or are you jacking someone's shit?
I jacked someones shit.

Thought it would be a good discussion. + I wanted to make a new thread just to use Jeff as an emoticon :D

[iDefend5]

anthony parker. not bad. not good. just adequate.
Average player in the NBA = 2x Euroleague MVP? :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

Take the average guy making the MLE.

[OmniStrife]

current grant hill
Yup.
It evens out.
Below average on offense.
Above average on defense.

[Toizumi]

The average player in 2007-2008 had the following attributes:


Length:
6' 6.98"
Weight:
221.00
Age:
26.89
Years experience
4.71

The surveys of the years before that (from 85 onwards) had similar results.
http://www.nba.com/news/survey_2007.html

I can't find the league averages for NBA players.. but I took the team averages and divided them by 10, because it seemed like a fair number. Some teams only suit 8 guys on certain nights, other use all 12 of their guys. 10 seemed like a reasonable number. The average player (statwise) by that calculation would average around 10 PPG, 4RPG, 2APG, 0.5BPG, 0.8SPG on .447 shooting.

Ofcourse you're not gonna find a player with those exact attributes and statistics.. but guys that come close in some ways are:

James Johnson
Dorrell Wright
Linas Kleiza
Corey Brewer
Trevor Ariza

Using my just made up quick way to find the average player.. those guys come closest. Makes sense though, they're not really bad, not great either. Just average.

[pnyozzzoo]

The average player in 2007-2008 had the following attributes:



The surveys of the years before that (from 85 onwards) had similar results.
http://www.nba.com/news/survey_2007.html

I can't find the league averages for NBA players.. but I took the team averages and divided them by 10, because it seemed like a fair number. Some teams only suit 8 guys on certain nights, other use all 12 of their guys. 10 seemed like a reasonable number. The average player (statwise) by that calculation would average around 10 PPG, 4RPG, 2APG, 0.5BPG, 0.8SPG on .447 shooting.

Ofcourse you're not gonna find a player with those exact attributes and statistics.. but guys that come close in some ways are:

James Johnson
Dorrell Wright
Linas Kleiza
Corey Brewer
Trevor Ariza

Using my just made up quick way to find the average player.. those guys come closest. Makes sense though, they're not really bad, not great either. Just average.

If those numbers are true, bravo to you.

[Jasi]

With a little tweak to Toizumi's method, we can find THE average player scoring-wise only, by using a 48 Minute average.

Since the league average PPG per team is 96.0, the average player's PTS per 48MIN is (96/5) = 19.2
(assuming OTs are negligible)

Which is exactly Channing Frye's production.

Too bad I cannot find "per 48 min" stats on the other statistical categories.

[Sarcastic]

The average player in 2007-2008 had the following attributes:



The surveys of the years before that (from 85 onwards) had similar results.
http://www.nba.com/news/survey_2007.html

I can't find the league averages for NBA players.. but I took the team averages and divided them by 10, because it seemed like a fair number. Some teams only suit 8 guys on certain nights, other use all 12 of their guys. 10 seemed like a reasonable number. The average player (statwise) by that calculation would average around 10 PPG, 4RPG, 2APG, 0.5BPG, 0.8SPG on .447 shooting.

Ofcourse you're not gonna find a player with those exact attributes and statistics.. but guys that come close in some ways are:

James Johnson
Dorrell Wright
Linas Kleiza
Corey Brewer
Trevor Ariza

Using my just made up quick way to find the average player.. those guys come closest. Makes sense though, they're not really bad, not great either. Just average.


Landry Fields fits that almost to a tee.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

Probably a guy like Luke Walton. Solid skills, no athleticism, so-so jump shot.

:oldlol: @ guys like Bill Walker. That cat has a 40-inch vertical. In what country (Africa, perhaps?) is that average?
Africa is not a country:facepalm

[Toizumi]

Landry Fields fits that almost to a tee.

He does, except for the years experience. Should've put him on that list.. excluded him because he is only a sophmore, but he comes really close to being the most 'average' nba player (by stats and physique).



If those numbers are true, bravo to you.

The numbers are flawed, because I only have the 07-08 survey for average player attributes and I couldnt find league averages for player statistics. I hoped to find those stats online, so I could really find the most average player.. Now I just made up my own calculation (take average team stats and divide by 10), I feel like Hollinger. I think that all and all it kinda worked out ok, looking at the players that came out as 'average'.

[hawkfan]

http://i.imgur.com/SiMeW.png


:coleman:

[Jasi]

Ok, I calculated it... the actual average PPG is 6.6.
(so Toizumi's estimate was a bit over)

Scoring-wise, Raja Bell is the perfect average player.

When I have time I'll do it for rebounds, assists etc.

[Toizumi]

Ok, I calculated it... the actual average PPG is 6.6.
(so Toizumi's estimate was a bit over)

Scoring-wise, Raja Bell is the perfect average player.

When I have time I'll do it for rebounds, assists etc.

How did you come to that number? If you take NBA team's average scoring number 96 PPG and divide it by 12 (the max number of active player) you get 8. Of course it is hard to get a precise number, but you have to take into account that there are some players that only play a handful of games and score 0.1 PPG before going inactive or getting cut.

[Sarcastic]

There's no one in the NBA that averages 6.6ppg this year :oldlol:

Kawhi Leonard comes close to that though. He is 6'7", 225, and averages 8.2 ppg, with 5.3 rpg, and 1 apg. His PER is at 17.02, and the average is 15, so he is slightly ahead in that stat. He's only a rookie, so his numbers will likely rise when he hits the 4 year mark. But as of right now, he is pretty average.

[Jasi]

How did you come to that number? If you take NBA team's average scoring number 96 PPG and divide it by 12 (the max number of active player) you get 8. Of course it is hard to get a precise number, but you have to take into account that there are some players that only play a handful of games and score 0.1 PPG before going inactive or getting cut.

Here's what I did (I am sure it can be presented in a clearer way but I sort of adjusted the procedure ongoing so here it is).

A) Games so far: 798
B) Points per game per team: 96.0
C) Total points so far: 2*A*B = 153,216
D) Total number of players: 465 (source: nba.com)
E) Total points so far per player: C/D = 329.5
F) Total minutes played so far: A*2*48 = 76,608
G) Average games per player so far: A/D = 17.2
H) Average minutes per game per player: F/D/10 = 16.5
I) Average points per game per player: E/G * H/48 = 6.6


Please check it, I may have gone wrong in many ways :D

EDIT sorry I had mistyped it, now it's correct

[Smoke117]

Andre Igoudala -his defense. He does nothing really good except D.
AI is much better than above average, clown.

[dsrdsr]

Landry Fields

[Jasi]

There's no one in the NBA that averages 6.6ppg this year :oldlol:

Kawhi Leonard comes close to that though. He is 6'7", 225, and averages 8.2 ppg, with 5.3 rpg, and 1 apg. His PER is at 17.02, and the average is 15, so he is slightly ahead in that stat. He's only a rookie, so his numbers will likely rise when he hits the 4 year mark. But as of right now, he is pretty average.

Raja Bell is at 6.6 ppg according to nba.com, I don't know how updated that is.

It's also interesting to see that the player who averages the average PPG (Raja Bell) is #228 out of 465 in the scoring ranking.
So he's very slightly above the median player (#233) i.e. Kwame Brown, who scores 6.3 ppg, so slightly that it's negligible.
This means that the distribution of "stars", "average players" and "scrubs" is quite normal.
Scoring-wise only, of course.

[Jasi]

Using the same calculation as above (to be validated), we have:

Average PPG = 6.6
Average RPG = 2.9
Average APG = 1.4
Average SPG = 0.5
Average BPG = 0.4

What player is the closest to this?

It may be Mickael Pietrus: 6.8 / 2.9 / 0.7 / 0.5 / 0.2

[Punpun]

Using the same calculation as above (to be validated), we have:

Average PPG = 6.6
Average RPG = 2.9
Average APG = 1.4
Average SPG = 0.5
Average BPG = 0.4

What player is the closest to this?

There is surely a guy avering that. But are minutes taken into account ? Oh seen it above. It's 16.5 minutes.

[Sarcastic]

There is no one that averages 6.6 from what I am seeing.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Scoring.jsp?season=22011&league=00&conf=OVERALL&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&position=0&splitType=9&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=&pager.offset=100

Goes from Odom at 6.9 to Haslem at 6.4

There is also no one that averages exactly 15 PER

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?page=3&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fpage%3d3

[Punpun]

Why would ya take PER into account ? It's not a true stat. It's a mathematical equation.

[Jasi]

There is no one that averages 6.6 from what I am seeing.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Scoring.jsp?season=22011&league=00&conf=OVERALL&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&position=0&splitType=9&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=&pager.offset=100

Goes from Odom at 6.9 to Haslem at 6.4



There's a filter option there, you only see "qualified" players.

[Sarcastic]

Why would ya take PER into account ? It's not a true stat. It's a mathematical equation.

Well it measures all the stats we are looking at, and 15 is what is set as the absolute average NBA player.

[Jasi]

Average player: 6.6 / 2.9 / 1.4 / 0.5 / 0.4

Mickael Pietrus: 6.8 / 2.9 / 0.7 / 0.5 / 0.2

Terrence Williams: 6.3 / 3.2 / 1.5 / 0.3 / 0.1

Anthony Parker: 6.3 / 2.4 / 2.4 / 0.7 / 0.2

[Toizumi]

Here's what I did (I am sure it can be presented in a clearer way but I sort of adjusted the procedure ongoing so here it is).

A) Games so far: 798
B) Points per game per team: 96.0
C) Total points so far: 2*A*B = 153,216
D) Total number of players: 465 (source: nba.com)
E) Total points so far per player: C/D = 329.5
F) Total minutes played so far: A*2*48 = 76,608
G) Average games per player so far: A/D = 17.2
H) Average minutes per game per player: F/D/10 = 16.5
I) Average points per game per player: E/G * H/48 = 6.6


Please check it, I may have gone wrong in many ways :D

EDIT sorry I had mistyped it, now it's correct

You really got into this man.. good job.
One thing that I think is flawed is that you have 465 players in the league. That

[KRAYZIE]

Average player: 6.6 / 2.9 / 1.4 / 0.5 / 0.4

Mickael Pietrus: 6.8 / 2.9 / 0.7 / 0.5 / 0.2

Terrence Williams: 6.3 / 3.2 / 1.5 / 0.3 / 0.1

Anthony Parker: 6.3 / 2.4 / 2.4 / 0.7 / 0.2
Candace's older brother dropped 27 pts on 11 of 14 shooting last night. Show some respect kid.



=D

[wagexslave]

Channing Frye is so average that he's bad. He does nothing good. He's pretty much average in every category. Average dunker, average jumpshooter, average post moves, average defense average rebounder... he's just so average that I don't even want him on the Suns anymore unless he's getting small minutes. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

If a player was average at literally every aspect of the game, I wonder how valuable said player would be.

[SHAQisGOAT]

If a player was average at literally every aspect of the game, I wonder how valuable said player would be.

Let's say if a certain player is at least solid at every aspect of the game, while not great at any... I think he'd be more than valuable enough.

Closest one to that I can think of is probably Darrell Walker (apart from shot-blocking but he was a guard and not even bad at it; and apart from long-range shooting).

[RRR3]

Let's say if a certain player is at least solid at every aspect of the game, while not great at any... I think he'd be more than valuable enough.

Closest one to that I can think of is probably Darrell Walker (apart from shot-blocking but he was a guard and not even bad at it; and apart from long-range shooting).
Wasn't Darrell Walker a great rebounder for a guard? And he averaged good assist numbers.

However the trajectory of his career statistics tend to make me suspect he was a stat padder. Dont know if this was true

[SHAQisGOAT]

Wasn't Darrell Walker a great rebounder for a guard? And he averaged good assist numbers.

However the trajectory of his career statistics tend to make me suspect he was a stat padder. Dont know if this was true

Yea, clearly great for a guard but not overall great, call it.

He was definitely a good passer/playmaker but I won't go any higher than that.

You can argue he was a great ball-thief at some point though, even if certainly not a great overall defensive player.

But like I've said, he's probably the closest one - to the example I gave - I can think of.

[RRR3]

This is the most perfectly average player I can think of....

Starting SF

11 PPG
5 RPG
3 APG
1 SPG
0.6 BPG
.450/.336/.750 shooting.


I feel like that is marvin Williams.

[Ramza]

Kobe.

[Prime_Shaq]

This is the most perfectly average player I can think of....

Starting SF

11 PPG
5 RPG
3 APG
1 SPG
0.6 BPG
.450/.336/.750 shooting.


I feel like that is marvin Williams.
Marvin Williams seems slightly below average to me. How about Tyreke Evans? Does abit of everything albeit not too well and inconsistent.

[FKAri]

Wesley Johnson

Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2scg6m/your_20142015_average_nba_player_is_wesley_johnson/

Also I remember someone did an even more lengthy calculation a few years ago but I can't remember who it was. All I remember is he was 6-7. It might've been Gordan Giricek.

[305Baller]

Dorrel Wright?

[RidonKs]

With a little tweak to Toizumi's method, we can find THE average player scoring-wise only, by using a 48 Minute average.

Since the league average PPG per team is 96.0, the average player's PTS per 48MIN is (96/5) = 19.2
(assuming OTs are negligible)

Which is exactly Channing Frye's production.

Too bad I cannot find "per 48 min" stats on the other statistical categories.
using this method (approximately), your nba all average starting five is

Deron Williams
Marco Belinelli
Luol Deng
Marcus Morris
Roy Hibbert


alternatively

Zach Lavine
Aaron Afflalo
Joe Johnson
Mason Plumlee
Marcin Gortat

[atljonesbro]

This used to be Marvin Williams with the Hawks

[RidonKs]

Wesley Johnson

Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2scg6m/your_20142015_average_nba_player_is_wesley_johnson/

Also I remember someone did an even more lengthy calculation a few years ago but I can't remember who it was. All I remember is he was 6-7. It might've been Gordan Giricek.
man good call, haven't heard giricek's name i ages. had some good years on the magic and jazz. seems like there used to be a lot more 3/D euros than there are now...

[StephHamann]

If a player was average at literally every aspect of the game, I wonder how valuable said player would be.

Chandler Parsons is the definition of mediocrity. He is average defender, scorer, shooter, passer, rebounder etc.pp Only thing he has is "above average" size for his position, but his size is pretty much useless because he is a bit slower than average.

= Max Contract

[swagga]

Chandler Parsons is the definition of mediocrity. He is average defender, scorer, shooter, passer, rebounder etc.pp Only thing he has is "above average" size for his position, but his size is pretty much useless because he is a bit slower than average.

= Max Contract

GOAT aesthetics son.

[Prime_Shaq]

Chandler Parsons is the definition of mediocrity. He is average defender, scorer, shooter, passer, rebounder etc.pp Only thing he has is "above average" size for his position, but his size is pretty much useless because he is a bit slower than average.

= Max Contract
Great pump fake though