fire mike woodson!

[Teanett]

of course i'm not serious but i think HE HATES LANDRY FIELDS!

why didnt he play him when the pacers made a run???
everytime knicks did something good, landry was part of it. 15 points in like 6 minutes, great d. jr was struggling but woodson leaves him on the court forever.

[ImmortalNemesis]

And this couldn't go in the game thread because....???? Not every little thought of yours deserves its own thread. You self-centered douche-bag.

[Teanett]

And this couldn't go in the game thread because....???? Not every little thought of yours deserves its own thread. You self-centered douche-bag.

it's tendency of woodson's to sit landry longer than what's good for the team.
it's a general thing, not only last game.

[bagelred]

it's tendency of woodson's to sit landry longer than what's good for the team.
it's a general thing, not only last game.

He does it with Novak too. Novak played only 12 minutes last night despite the fact he was hitting his shots and everyone else was struggling in 4th quarter.

It's because he's not a BLACK MAN.:coleman:

[blablabla]

he likes jr too much

[Teanett]

landry=energy, abilty to guard barbosa and penetration

everything the knicks lacked in the 4th quarter yesterday.

:facepalm

[Teanett]

and why is he so keen on working toney douglas back into the rotation?
toney is a good dude but he should never, never ever play point guard.
he literally throws boneheaded passes on every 2nd possession.

[bagelred]

and why is he so keen on working toney douglas back into the rotation?
toney is a good dude but he should never, never ever play point guard.
he literally throws boneheaded passes on every 2nd possession.

Rather have Toney than Bibby. What are the other options?

[blablabla]

Rather have Toney than Bibby. What are the other options?
a backcourt of shump and jr

[Sarcastic]

a backcourt of shump and jr

Shumpert is starting already due to so many injuries. We don't want to run him into the ground the way Lin was run into the ground.

Considering what Woodson has to work with, he has done a great job coaching them to 9-3.

[bagelred]

a backcourt of shump and jr

I guess, but I don't mind giving Toney minutes. He at least competes and is active.

[Sarcastic]

I guess, but I don't mind giving Toney minutes. He at least competes and is active.

Toney needs his role to be better defined. Just pressure the perimeter, easy passes only, no jump shots. If he follows that, he can actually contribute to the team.

[blablabla]

Shumpert is starting already due to so many injuries. We don't want to run him into the ground the way Lin was run into the ground.

Considering what Woodson has to work with, he has done a great job coaching them to 9-3.
because he isn't playing fields enough
if both would play around 25-30 minutes a game that would be perfect

[Teanett]

because he isn't playing fields enough
if both would play around 25-30 minutes a game that would be perfect
excactamente!

[Sarcastic]

because he isn't playing fields enough
if both would play around 25-30 minutes a game that would be perfect

Fields' defense has been horrible, which is why he has been reducing his minutes. Woodson is a defense-first guy.

[bagelred]

It's amazing we have 3 key injuries, and yet Novak STILL only gets 12 minutes. WTF? Novak is actually a decent defender now, he's not really a big liability, so why not f-cking play him? He has the best Knick +/-.

[Teanett]

Toney needs his role to be better defined. Just pressure the perimeter, easy passes only, no jump shots. If he follows that, he can actually contribute to the team.

i like toney. i root for him but toney is an undersized two guard. he should defend and spot up shoot to find out if it's one of his streaky days. if he misses two in a row, he shouldnt touch the ball again.

[Teanett]

Fields' defense has been horrible,

:biggums:

[bagelred]

Fields' defense has been horrible,

:biggums:

[Sarcastic]

that is not true.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/15827/opening-tip-whats-happened-to-fields

[QUOTE]Below is a breakdown of Fields' defensive numbers, as provided by ESPN Stats & Info. Keep in mind they are all outcome-based, meaning if the player the defender is guarding shoots, gets fouled, or turns it over, the following stats take that into account. But if the player gets the ball and eventually passes off, that

[Smoke117]

Jr Smith is an awful chucker.

[Teanett]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/15827/opening-tip-whats-happened-to-fields



Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't lie.

numbers make you believe things that aren't true.
fields is as good as the other two wings. he is longer than shump and jr and the best rebounder of them. he hustles and is fearless.
clyde and hubie brown have called him a good defender many times. they should know.

[Sarcastic]

numbers make you believe things that aren't true.
fields is as good as the other two wings. he is longer than shump and jr and the best rebounder of them. he hustles and is fearless.
clyde and hubie brown have called him a good defender many times. they should know.


Which is why he should be playing small forward more often. He really isn't a shooting guard at all. The three things you want from a prototype shooting guard are: hit jumpers, beat defender off the dribble, and secondary ball handler. Fields doesn't do any of those things. What he does do well is fill the lanes in transition, rebound, and hustle. I think his game would improve ALOT by putting him closer to the basket more often. Putting him on the wing is a detriment.

[Teanett]

Which is why he should be playing small forward more often. He really isn't a shooting guard at all. The three things you want from a prototype shooting guard are: hit jumpers, beat defender off the dribble, and secondary ball handler. Fields doesn't do any of those things. What he does do well is fill the lanes in transition, rebound, and hustle. I think his game would improve ALOT by putting him closer to the basket more often. Putting him on the wing is a detriment.

but that's what he is playing and doing right now; makes it even more confusing that he doesnt play more.
:confusedshrug:

[DGARAS]

fields is a bad defender. do some of you watch the games? although if hes hot they should play him.

[fsvr54]

Knicks fans were all excited about the coaching change; made me lol. Hawks fans knew what kind of coach Woodson was... not a good one.

[Bigsmoke]

NOOOO

we need more brothas as head coaches.

[Sarcastic]

Knicks fans were all excited about the coaching change; made me lol. Hawks fans knew what kind of coach Woodson was... not a good one.

Knicks fans were excited to see D'Antoni leave, not Woodson take over. We were out of the playoffs when he took over, and he has guided us to a 9-3 record so far. Woodson is doing a great job so far.

[Scoooter]

Knicks fans were all excited about the coaching change; made me lol. Hawks fans knew what kind of coach Woodson was... not a good one.
Please don't think guys like Sarcastic and archibundo and niko represent Knicks fans. They fly the banner, but they have no real authority.

[Clutch]

I like what Mike Woodson has done so far.
He's the man to blame for the loss but I think he's right coach for this team,at least until he proves me wrong.

[knickswin]

I don't understand why he limits novak's minutes so much. this dude is gold! he's leading the team in +/- for a reason! get him the ball at the three point line, and there's about a 50% chance it's going in. that's phenomenal! novak's spurts can carry this team through a slumping quarter. it's happened many times.

[ClutchOver9000]

when the Pacers had their epic run in the 4th, idk why he didnt put Novak in right until the last couple of possessions in the game... :facepalm

[knickswin]

when the Pacers had their epic run in the 4th, idk why he didnt put Novak in right until the last couple of possessions in the game... :facepalm

I thought the same thing!

I don't get why coaches don't believe in Novak. it's like they focus too much on what he can't do rather than what he can do. to me, he's a pretty legit player. he's a better defender than amar'e, for one, so I don't get the harping on his defense. his ts% is 68%. that's phenomenal. he's leading the league in 3pt%. to me, he's easily the best long range shooter in the league. he's just an incredible weapon because 90% of the time you know that if all else fails you can get reliable shooting out of him.

[Teanett]

when the Pacers had their epic run in the 4th, idk why he didnt put Novak in right until the last couple of possessions in the game... :facepalm

same with fields. he put him in for baron with like 1:30 to go, boom, instant turnover for the pacers.

[bagelred]

I don't understand why he limits novak's minutes so much. this dude is gold! he's leading the team in +/- for a reason! get him the ball at the three point line, and there's about a 50% chance it's going in. that's phenomenal! novak's spurts can carry this team through a slumping quarter. it's happened many times.

Wait, i agree with you for once? :wtf:

Because Woodson is dumb. Only reason I can think of.

[ClutchOver9000]

same with fields. he put him in for baron with like 1:30 to go, boom, instant turnover for the pacers.

I hate Baron Davis

[knickswin]

I hate Baron Davis

mannnn, me too. and it's sad because I used to really like him back when he was also a really good athlete. what the hell is his problem. why does he keep shooting stupid three pointers even though his shot is totally broke. why does he try to show off his rucker park skills so often. he was a big reason the knicks lost yesterday. i dream of steve nash coming for the vet min.

[ClutchOver9000]

I thought the same thing!

I don't get why coaches don't believe in Novak. it's like they focus too much on what he can't do rather than what he can do. to me, he's a pretty legit player. he's a better defender than amar'e, for one, so I don't get the harping on his defense. his ts% is 68%. that's phenomenal. he's leading the league in 3pt%. to me, he's easily the best long range shooter in the league. he's just an incredible weapon because 90% of the time you know that if all else fails you can get reliable shooting out of him.

I agree...

apparently, Woodson doesn't though...

man, the Bucks are on our heels, the fact we gave the game away yesterday was ridiculous...

this week is huge...you know the Magic aint gonna get embarrassed again, and are gonna give it to us big-time...

I hope if we get up 17 or more on 'em again, we don't blow it this time

[Teanett]

Wait, i agree with you for once? :wtf:

Because Woodson is dumb. Only reason I can think of.

he thinks of novak as some sort of specialist, a freak.
there is no reason not to play him if the pacers go small.
he's okay on d and boxes out.
hespreads the floor to open up lanes for the others.
knicks play pre-linsanity chuckfest again late in games.
no penetration if baron is tired (usually by the 2nd quarter) and fields is on the bench (after 6 minutes, to make way for mr chuckfest himself).
even shumpert has fall in love with long range bombs.
fields and novak have to play more because one has to attack because he cant shoot and the other shoots so well the opponents are scared of him.

[Teanett]

mannnn, me too. and it's sad because I used to really like him back when he was also a really good athlete. what the hell is his problem. why does he keep shooting stupid three pointers even though his shot is totally broke. why does he try to show off his rucker park skills so often. he was a big reason the knicks lost yesterday. i dream of steve nash coming for the vet min.

baron's alright in small doses. he can be a fukking bonehead sometimes.
it's the coach's fault when he lets him get raped by barbosa like 100 straight times.
if woodson keeps using him like he does now, baron wont be available for the play offs...

[Sarcastic]

You guys do realize Lin is hurt, and can't play, right? Baron is the only option we have at PG right now.

[Clutch]

You guys do realize Lin is hurt, and can't play, right? Baron is the only option we have at PG right now.
We should sign Anthony Carter or Mike James.

Our point guard rotation right now is nothing short of horrible.

[LABean]

And here come the coach excuses again. :blah :blah

[Teanett]

You guys do realize Lin is hurt, and can't play, right? Baron is the only option we have at PG right now.

baron will also be hurt soon if he has to play 30 minutes every other day.

[Teanett]

And here come the coach excuses again. :blah :blah

excuses? he's 9-2, bitch!
don't you have your own coach to bitch about?

[bagelred]

i dream of steve nash coming for the vet min.

Don't get your hopes up. Steve Nash wants to get paid. He's not playing for vets minimum. He'll probably get a 3 year, $30 million deal with Suns and end his career there.

[CLTHornets4eva]

Knicks fans were all excited about the coaching change; made me lol. Hawks fans knew what kind of coach Woodson was... not a good one.


Typical Knicks fans to blindly jump on his bandwaggon without caring how bad he was for YEARS in ATL. :biggums:

[Teanett]

Typical Knicks fans to blindly jump on his bandwaggon without caring how bad he was for YEARS in ATL. :biggums:

his bandwagon? there's no woody bandwagon. all there is is the fire-d'antoni-movement. which has existed for two seasons.

[Sarcastic]

We should sign Anthony Carter or Mike James.

Our point guard rotation right now is nothing short of horrible.

Who has Aaron Brooks' rights right now?

[ClutchOver9000]

his bandwagon? there's no woody bandwagon. all there is is the fire-d'antoni-movement. which has existed for two seasons.

:applause: exactly

[Clutch]

Who has Aaron Brooks' rights right now?
Suns. Alan Hahn said there was no chance we'll sign him for the rest of the season.

[Teanett]

the scoring discrepancy between carmelo and the rest of the team is a disturbing trend.

[Sarcastic]

the scoring discrepancy between carmelo and the rest of the team is a disturbing trend.

We're missing our 2nd and 3rd best scorers on the team. :confusedshrug:

[Teanett]

We're missing our 2nd and 3rd best scorers on the team. :confusedshrug:

and they took with them the ability to move the ball?
no, it's iso-melo ball and everybody is complacent again, like pre-linsanity.

[Clutch]

We didn't lose because of Carmelo. He was the one who was keeping us in the game.

We lost because of poor defense. Pacers scored 40 points in the 4th quarter.
Knicks scored 104 points,that's more than enough to win a game.

People are so quick to blame him even when he puts up 39/10 on +50% shooting. Just :facepalm
Everyone wanted Melo to step up now with Lin and Amare down. He stepped up on both ends of the floor and people still blame him.

[Teanett]

We didn't lose because of Carmelo. He was the one who was keeping us in the game.



i'm not blaming melo. he was great.
i do think the others have to be involved more otherwise they become frozen and wait for melo to bail them out.
woodson has to start trusting other players more. what is baron davis good for if all he does is walk the ball up and pass it to melo? shump, jr can do that. bibby can do that to give baron a break.
he has to play novak and fields more, utilize every bit of depth that is left.

i'd like to see melo score 25 and the rest of the scoring should be spread around more.

[Clutch]

i'm not blaming melo. he was great.
i do think the others have to be involved more otherwise they become frozen and wait for melo to bail them out.
woodson has to start trusting other players more. what is baron davis good for if all he does is walk the ball up and pass it to melo? shump, jr can do that. bibby can do that to give baron a break.
he has to play novak and fields more, utilize every bit of depth that is left.
Baron Davis sucks. He's a liability on defense and he can't even move on offense. And just think about his very questionable decision making.
He played better earlier in the season,it seems like he has even more problems with injures right now.
Bibby also sucks.

With Lin down and Baron being injured we officially have the worst point guard rotation once again.

[Teanett]

baron plays well for about 5 minutes, then he's spent.
woodson is killing him. he has three more 30 minute games in him before he tears something. then it's back to bibby and douglas.

we need to see more of this line-up:

tyson
novak
fields
jr
shump

[Sarcastic]

and they took with them the ability to move the ball?
no, it's iso-melo ball and everybody is complacent again, like pre-linsanity.

They were moving the ball fine last game. The only problem was they let the lead get too big, got complacent, and stopped playing defense. giving up 40 points in the 4th had nothing to do with the offense.

[Teanett]

They were moving the ball fine last game. The only problem was they let the lead get too big, got complacent, and stopped playing defense. giving up 40 points in the 4th had nothing to do with the offense.

i thought they went into chuckfest-mode everytime melo was on the bench.
no lin, no penetration, no ball-movement. they went away from the pick n roll with chandler, which was very effective for the last two months.

last night was a freak loss but there are tendencies on offense that worry me.

[knickswin]

you can't complain about melo hurting team ball. he's a post player. this is what post players do. people didn't come out and criticize guys like barkley or duncan for being ball stoppers the way they do with carmelo.

it's on the coach to work a system around carmelo's post game so that the offense doesn't get stagnated. this is why i'm not too keen on keeping woodson. i don't think he will do that.

[Teanett]

there you go woody!
more landry, less baron, more win...

[nbacardDOTnet]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20New%20York%20Knicks/20120405atMagic-MD-vs-MW.jpg

[Teanett]

terrible offense late in the game vs bulls!

landry on the bench watching jr smith go like 3-50.

:confusedshrug:

[airchibundo507]

terrible offense late in the game vs bulls!

landry on the bench watching jr smith go like 3-50.

:confusedshrug:

did you see landry fck up our offense early in the third quarter? turnovers, forced shots, missed hero ball looks, ignoring Melo who only had like 6 points in the quarter despite having a 22 point first half.

and this is what he does EVERY third quarter

[linZoMourning]

you can't complain about melo hurting team ball. he's a post player. this is what post players do. people didn't come out and criticize guys like barkley or duncan for being ball stoppers the way they do with carmelo.

it's on the coach to work a system around carmelo's post game so that the offense doesn't get stagnated. this is why i'm not too keen on keeping woodson. i don't think he will do that.

did you just compare duncan and melo?? duncan kicks the ball out to his teamates melo is a BLACK HOLE

I cant even count the number of isolation plays melo ran tonight. it won them the game but the fact he had to go iso 15 times in a row to do it is not a good sign for knicks fans. he wont play like this every game

[LosBulls]

did you just compare duncan and melo?? duncan kicks the ball out to his teamates melo is a BLACK HOLE
I can tell you didn't watch the game you retard.

[Teanett]

did you see landry fck up our offense early in the third quarter? turnovers, forced shots, missed hero ball looks, ignoring Melo who only had like 6 points in the quarter despite having a 22 point first half.

and this is what he does EVERY third quarter

and what did jr do out there?
are you crazy?
have you ever seen a worse offensive performance than jr smith's entire 2nd half?

[knickswin]

did you just compare duncan and melo?? duncan kicks the ball out to his teamates melo is a BLACK HOLE

I cant even count the number of isolation plays melo ran tonight. it won them the game but the fact he had to go iso 15 times in a row to do it is not a good sign for knicks fans. he wont play like this every game

duncan used to play in a variation of princeton which is what I would like the knicks to run so that melo can play more like duncan.

[Teanett]

I cant even count the number of isolation plays melo ran tonight. it won them the game but the fact he had to go iso 15 times in a row to do it is not a good sign for knicks fans. he wont play like this every game

i agree. the knicks cant expect melo to go into hercules mode every game.
especially if his support is iso's for jr smith.
:facepalm

[linZoMourning]

and what did jr do out there?
are you crazy?
have you ever seen a worse offensive performance than jr smith's entire 2nd half?

jr smith is even worse about isolation bullshit then melo is and thats saying ALOT. This is all woodsons fault guys. hes letting them do this. seriously count the number of 1v1's happened in the 4th and overtime it was just so disgusting to watch as a basketball fan

[Scoooter]

The Knicks should probably avoid firing another coach for a while. Their track record in the last 12 years isn't exactly stellar in that regard.

[knickswin]

and what did jr do out there?
are you crazy?
have you ever seen a worse offensive performance than jr smith's entire 2nd half?

I'm going to eat crow with JR. I wanted to bring him in. I thought his shooting and ability in the pick and roll would help. I take that back. I hate him. He sucks. He is soooooo stupid. A less talented player like Anthony Parker would be far superior to him.

too many dummies in that back court. jr and baron . . . .ugh. shumpert isn't as dumb, but he isn't exactly bright. landry can make some stupid plays, but he's a step above those guys. lin is obviously much smarter and more efficient than anyone of them.

[fsvr54]

J Smoove and Joe Johnson pretty much openly rebelled asgainst this guy. Horrible coach.

[Teanett]

why did they stop playing pick and roll?
i know baron didnt play much but shump and fields have been looking good doing it.
definately better than all the isos.

[Teanett]

I'm going to eat crow with JR. I wanted to bring him in. I thought his shooting and ability in the pick and roll would help. I take that back. I hate him. He sucks. He is soooooo stupid. A less talented player like Anthony Parker would be far superior to him.

too many dummies in that back court. jr and baron . . . .ugh. shumpert isn't as dumb, but he isn't exactly bright. landry can make some stupid plays, but he's a step above those guys. lin is obviously much smarter and more efficient than anyone of them.

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

nah, it's all good. jr plays hard. it's the coach's fault.

[linZoMourning]

I'm going to eat crow with JR. I wanted to bring him in. I thought his shooting and ability in the pick and roll would help. I take that back. I hate him. He sucks. He is soooooo stupid. A less talented player like Anthony Parker would be far superior to him.

too many dummies in that back court. jr and baron . . . .ugh. shumpert isn't as dumb, but he isn't exactly bright. landry can make some stupid plays, but he's a step above those guys. lin is obviously much smarter and more efficient than anyone of them.

I think jrsmith would do well with a coach like jerry sloan. I honestly think jerry sloan is the best coach the knicks org can get

[knickswin]

i'm not huge on Woodosn. We play crap half court basketball. mostly because he lets the guards do whatever they want. melo is a great half court player, but he could be utilized much better if we ran a consistent half court system.

also, why does he have novak stand in the corner? the beauty of novak is he's money from everywhere around the arc. if you have him stand in other places, you can get him the ball more easily and another, worse shooter can stand in the corner for that easier three.

[Streetballer]

of course i'm not serious but i think HE HATES LANDRY FIELDS!

why didnt he play him when the pacers made a run???
everytime knicks did something good, landry was part of it. 15 points in like 6 minutes, great d. jr was struggling but woodson leaves him on the court forever.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/gtfo/grand/jesus_agrees_gtfo_gif.gif

[knickswin]

I think jrsmith would do well with a coach like jerry sloan. I honestly think jerry sloan is the best coach the knicks org can get

I'd love sloan. that is the type of basketball they should be playing.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Even when JR is missing shots like he was most of last night, he's still more of a threat than Landry. Players ALWAYS leave Landry wide open and he never makes them pay. I love Landry, but he's at his best in the open court and in a frantic pace which isn't always the case (especially in the playoffs).

I don't care if JR is 3-16 (which I think he was at some point today), nobody will leave him open and that creates space for Melo, Tyson and Shumpty. He's also our 3rd or 4th best ball handler right now (behind Baron and Shumpert, arguable with Melo), a good rebounder (better than Fields this year at least), an amazing passer and an aggressive defender. Obviously he has flaws (the reasons he's not a star), but he's a good player that is our 4th best player right now. Now I'd argue that you could say Landry is 5th, but the problem is it's hard to roll out a line up of Shump-JR-Landry-Melo-Tyson. It'll work amazingly against some teams, but horribly against others.

[knickswin]

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

nah, it's all good. jr plays hard. it's the coach's fault.

this is why on some level I really like D'Antoni. You never saw the offense fall apart in the fourth like it did today. that's because you will always get something out of the pick and roll. don't see what's so complicated about it. high screen and roll is always going to get you better looks than stupid isolation plays. pretty basic basketball. or just give it to melo in the post. something will probably come of that too.

and at least jr tries on D. i'll give him that. he made some good plays on that end. I just wish someone would give him a basic lesson on expectation. xf(x). value of the shot X probability it will go in. long, contested twos are horrible shots. layups, dunks, and open threes are great shots.

[Teanett]

Even when JR is missing shots like he was most of last night, he's still more of a threat than Landry. Players ALWAYS leave Landry wide open and he never makes them pay. I love Landry, but he's at his best in the open court and in a frantic pace which isn't always the case (especially in the playoffs).

I don't care if JR is 3-16 (which I think he was at some point today), nobody will leave him open and that creates space for Melo, Tyson and Shumpty. He's also our 3rd or 4th best ball handler right now (behind Baron and Shumpert, arguable with Melo), a good rebounder (better than Fields this year at least), an amazing passer and an aggressive defender. Obviously he has flaws (the reasons he's not a star), but he's a good player that is our 4th best player right now. Now I'd argue that you could say Landry is 5th, but the problem is it's hard to roll out a line up of Shump-JR-Landry-Melo-Tyson. It'll work amazingly against some teams, but horribly against others.

landry will at least put his head down and attack the basket.
in any case, landry on a regular night will shoot better than 6-22 on mostly wide open shots. landry was 5-6 before he started missing 5, of which some could have been fouls.
jr missed 16 shots in total! 16 posessions!

[ClutchOver9000]

JR had one of the worst shooting performances I've ever seen...god, that was atrocious...

not too bright at all, but the dude does compete, and plays hard.

[knickswin]

JR had one of the worst shooting performances I've ever seen...god, that was atrocious...

not too bright at all, but the dude does compete, and plays hard.

thing is, he was visibly frustrated and down on himself. BUT HE STILL KEPT TAKING THOSE STUPID SHOTS AND GUNNING AWAY. this guy is a trip. he needs to stop playing with his head up his butt. there's no way he's actually this dumb.

[Teanett]

thing is, he was visibly frustrated and down on himself. BUT HE STILL KEPT TAKING THOSE STUPID SHOTS AND GUNNING AWAY. this guy is a trip. he needs to stop playing with his head up his butt. there's no way he's actually this dumb.

no, this is on the coach.
jr should not pass up an open shot or not attack a mismatch.
he didnt have it today.
woodson's job is to adjust to that.

[Sarcastic]

Woodson is only the interim. No need to fire him. He will be gone next year unless he leads them at least to the second round.

[Teanett]

Woodson is only the interim. No need to fire him. He will be gone next year unless he leads them at least to the second round.

if they play chicago and it's competitive with a couple of games like this last one, he'll stay. and i admit, he would deserve it.
who else is out there anyway? calipari?

[Teanett]

and it happened again...
jr smith happens to be useless and baron looked like a mummy, when woody could have gone with fields or novak with the 4 point lead.

this one's on woodson.

[Yung D-Will]

I don't think he's a bad coach but I do think he sucks at rotations.

I remember I made list of every coach In the league and what I felt their weaknesses were(Offense, Play calling, Defense and rotations) and if I remember his was definitely rotations.

[LBJDW305]

and it happened again...
jr smith happens to be useless and baron looked like a mummy, when woody could have gone with fields or novak with the 4 point lead.

this one's on woodson.

Blame the coach...Are you serious? They would not even be in the playoff run right now without him

[Teanett]

Blame the coach...Are you serious? They would not even be in the playoff run right now without him

watch every knick game. they play like shit on offense in 4th quarters.
it's iso-chuck-iso-chuck...

[Sarcastic]

watch every knick game. they play like shit on offense in 4th quarters.
it's iso-chuck-iso-chuck...

Melo tried to hit Fields on the backdoor cut, and he got blocked at point blank range.

[Teanett]

Melo tried to hit Fields on the backdoor cut, and he got blocked at point blank range.

that was ONE play and it was a great play, just better d by bosh.
but it's still a higher percentage shot than all those long jump shots.

[ClutchOver9000]

all these Fields supporters = :facepalm

i'm tired of this dude not being able to score....

and his defense isn't up to par.

[Teanett]

jr smith: 6/15

...again.

[LBJDW305]

No coach good enough for the Knicks then...Novak missed a bunch of threes today earlier in the game..Fields was also playing bad.

[ClutchOver9000]

jr smith: 6/15

...again.

still better than Fields

[LABean]

Here we go 2.0.

[NumberSix]

Landry Fields is a coward

[Teanett]

still better than Fields

that's not even the point. fields is the only one out of him/jr/shump that moves without the ball and will consistently attack the basket.
novak will spread the floor by reputation alone.
jr smith will play iso ball, stop the ball, possibly take away good shots from teammates. if he's on, great. if not, trouble. he can not be relied on to be the second scorer. no one on the knicks can (without lin + amare).
these other scores have to be created by ball movement and team basketball.

[LABean]

OP, who would you want as a coach?

[Teanett]

OP, who would you want as a coach?

dude, read my first post!
woody is doing a great job but there's always room for improvement.

[LABean]

dude, read my first post!
woody is doing a great job but there's always room for improvement.
Bad title. :(

:rant :rant

[knickswin]

the knicks' half court offense just isn't very good.

I would have no problem letting go of the dummies j.r. and baron and instead bringing in smarter, more fundamental players like anthony parker next year.

[ClutchOver9000]

that's not even the point. fields is the only one out of him/jr/shump that moves without the ball and will consistently attack the basket.
novak will spread the floor by reputation alone.
jr smith will play iso ball, stop the ball, possibly take away good shots from teammates. if he's on, great. if not, trouble. he can not be relied on to be the second scorer. no one on the knicks can (without lin + amare).
these other scores have to be created by ball movement and team basketball.

Fields is usually more of a detriment than JR's chuckmode. Fields is often left open purposefully and he never makes the defense pay. NEVER. And when he is manned up on, he often can't even get by his man :facepalm

Not only that but he can't guard quicker perimeter players.

I understand JR's a bonehead and a chuck but I'm tired of hearing people mention Fields like he's a better alternative when he's not.

JR is a chuck who happens to be a better shooter, scorer, and defender than Fields.

Our ball movement is suffering mostly because we have no PG.

[Teanett]

Our ball movement is suffering mostly because we have no PG.

not true. knicks start games with great ball movement. part of that is fields cutting and willing to make a quick move.
late in games ball movement is awol, replaced by hero ball.

[knickswin]

not true. knicks start games with great ball movement. part of that is fields cutting and willing to make a quick move.
late in games ball movement is awol, replaced by hero ball.

I agree with this to some extent. JR is too willing to chuck up a bad shot far from the basket.

[Clutch]

and it happened again...
jr smith happens to be useless and baron looked like a mummy, when woody could have gone with fields or novak with the 4 point lead.

this one's on woodson.
Are you serious ? Fields sucked more than anyone on the court today.

Missing everything,getting destroyed on defense and getting blocked by a girl in Bosh.
He was a total momentum killer.
Baron makes a nice move,passes out to Fields for three - miss,crowd goes silent
Shumpert steals the ball,gets it to Landry,he shoots a soft ass floater instead of attacking the rim - miss,crowd goes silent

God,he was horrible.

I liked the guy last year but I can't stand him anymore. He plays like complete trash.

[ClutchOver9000]

Are you serious ? Fields sucked more than anyone on the court today.

Missing everything,getting destroyed on defense and getting blocked by a girl in Bosh.
He was a total momentum killer.
Baron makes a nice move,passes out to Fields for three - miss,crowd goes silent
Shumpert steals the ball,gets it to Landry,he shoots a soft ass floater instead of attacking the rim - miss,crowd goes silent

God,he was horrible.

I liked the guy last year but I can't stand him anymore. He plays like complete trash.

I wonder if Spike Lee even owns his Fields jersey anymore :lol haven't seen him wear at all this season

[blablabla]

maybe he's tired
it's been really bad since woodson took over

[Teanett]

Are you serious ? Fields sucked more than anyone on the court today.

Missing everything,getting destroyed on defense and getting blocked by a girl in Bosh.
He was a total momentum killer.
Baron makes a nice move,passes out to Fields for three - miss,crowd goes silent
Shumpert steals the ball,gets it to Landry,he shoots a soft ass floater instead of attacking the rim - miss,crowd goes silent

God,he was horrible.

I liked the guy last year but I can't stand him anymore. He plays like complete trash.

this is so fukking supid!
i dont care who scores or who gets burned on defense. it's a team sport!
landry was on the bench when the knicks went scoreless in for over 5 minutes in the 3rd. then he re-enters the game and leaves with the score 81:79.
then it's hero ball time.
ballgame miami.

[ukfan22]

play Jorts

auto-championship

[kNIOKAS]

Thread backfires :lol


Teanett a ***

[Teanett]

bump!
he's very limited.

[Teanett]

there's no gameplan on offense or defense.
he is in love with jr smith and novak, but that's not working.
landry plays great minutes but sits most of the time.
:confusedshrug:

fukken goatee assface clown has to go.

[Trentknicks]

there's no gameplan on offense or defense.
he is in love with jr smith and novak, but that's not working.
landry plays great minutes but sits most of the time.
:confusedshrug:

fukken goatee assface clown has to go.
I always had a theory Woodson was getting leaned on by someone higher up to play Novak and Smith more so that it helps their chances of staying.

And come on man, he proved he can do things with this team when fully healthy, 6-1 when completely healthy and 18-6 with nagging injuries and Lin & STAT out for decent periods. He has earned another year with the team.

[Shepseskaf]

fukken goatee assface clown has to go.
Your ugly mug needs to be kicked off ISH for all your ignorant posts. You need to go, imo.

[Teanett]

I always had a theory Woodson was getting leaned on by someone higher up to play Novak and Smith more so that it helps their chances of staying.

And come on man, he proved he can do things with this team when fully healthy, 6-1 when completely healthy and 18-6 with nagging injuries and Lin & STAT out for decent periods. He has earned another year with the team.

and what did he change?
he told the players to play hard?:hammerhead:
that's obligatory.
he's better than d'antoni but who isn't?

[Teanett]

Your ugly mug needs to be kicked off ISH for all your ignorant posts. You need to go, imo.

tell me, how do you let somebody shoot 3-15 and does stupid things every 20 seconds play over a guy who tries to play the right way in the game for 30+ minutes?
let me know, mafakker!
he has no feel for the moment whatsover.

[Sarcastic]

Why do they need to fire him? He doesn't have a contract for next year.

[Scoooter]

Hopefully the franchise is serious about contending (or at least winning a playoff series). If they are, then bye-bye Woody.

Although I could see Melo campaigning to keep him.

[Teanett]

Hopefully the franchise is serious about contending (or at least winning a playoff series). If they are, then bye-bye Woody.

Although I could see Melo campaigning to keep him.

you're right and it's a scary thought.

[Shepseskaf]

tell me, how do you let somebody shoot 3-15 and does stupid things every 20 seconds play over a guy who tries to play the right way in the game for 30+ minutes?
let me know, mafakker!
he has no feel for the moment whatsover.
And we should accept your word on what "should" happen over someone far smarter than you, who actually knows how his team works?

You have serious self-entitlement issues.

[Teanett]

And we should accept your word on what "should" happen over someone far smarter than you, who actually knows how his team works?

You have serious self-entitlement issues.

smarter than me? i dont think he is. did you ever hear him say something else than the most stereotypical coach speak?
i called it a month ago that the knicks will lose baron if woodson keeps playing him 30 minutes, smartass.
you call it smart to sit landry fields for a guy who goes 8-33 over the last games with countless stupid plays? it might not make a difference in this series but he did that same shit in the indana game, which ultimately cost the knicks the #6 spot.

there are/were smart people coaching in the nba (phil, pop, doc) but woodson isnt one of them, i'm afraid.

[Shepseskaf]

smarter than me? i dont think he is. did you ever hear him say something else than the most stereotypical coach speak?
i called it a month ago that the knicks will lose baron if woodson keeps playing him 30 minutes, smartass.
you call it smart to sit landry fields for a guy who goes 8-33 over the last games with countless stupid plays? it might not make a difference in this series but he did that same shit in the indana game, which ultimately cost the knicks the #6 spot.

there are/were smart people coaching in the nba (phil, pop, doc) but woodson isnt one of them, i'm afraid.
Some people are so stupid and lacking in self-awareness, they think they're smart. That would be you.

So, because he doesn't say anything but "coach-speak" he "isn't smart"? Do you know how idiotic that assumption is? Unless you know him personally, you're in no position to make that call.

Woodson has an 18-6 regular season record (.750) with a franchise that was cratering so badly, it needed to fire its head coach during the season.

He took over a moribund Atlanta team, and built them up to the point where his regular season winning percentage was nearly 70% (.646).

Yeah, he's real dumb. I can't imagine how he functions in society.

You, on the other hand, can barely put together semi-coherent sentences. Your word formatting looks like a special education student, and the points you make are often nonsensical.

The bottom line: if anyone is lacking in intelligence in this discussion, its you.

[coin24]

I think Woodson has done a pretty decent job:applause: Theres not many coaches who can come in and do a better job that are available.. (Phil Jackson is no chance so STFU).. I think if he gets to stay on and they actually have a training camp and more time to gel they will do alright next season....

Seeing as the Knicks had a rough year, got hammered by injuries on top of that, I think they did ok. Obviously it would have been better if they tanked and faced the Bulls or won an extra game or so and faced Indiana, but shit happens..:oldlol:

Sucks to see BDiddy go down:cry: Hope he can recover and come back, but it looked pretty bad..


Hey, at least they broke that horrible losing record in the playoffs:banana:

[Toizumi]

You can question his substitutions and rotations, but he runs somewhat decent plays. In terms of offensive sets he outcoached Spo these series, although that isn't hard to do. I see some nice teamplay from the Knicks from time to time as well, something they have to learn post-D'Antoni. He's done a decent job so far. No need to fire him at all.

[knicksman]

Really fire this coach. The team was just good because we were giving effort on defense with this accountability BS. Every coach can win in this league if they are held accountable and force to play hard without regard for health. It doesnt take a genius to be a good defensive coach. There are lots of defensive coaches in this league but are only good during their first years. Thibs is one of them. They get wins because they are forced to play hard and are sacrificing their bodies more. But observe their 2nd years and onwards, they will suck once their players are fully banged up. Just look at the bulls right now. I warned them that thibs would destroy their team but they just laughed at me. And woodson already costed us lin and aggravated amares injury.

Really dantoni can win with this team too during linsanity without even holding them accountable. And that team was much better coz they are cohesive on offense. It seems we rid of the wrong guy. Dantoni has proven he can win with this team and had a record of 11-1 during linsanity and when melo came back, we lost 8 of 10 but instead, we chose melo over dantoni. Amare was playing well and lin is posting career highs on assists and they both seem to fit well but once melo gets back, the 2 of them never had good games. Lin never had a double digit assists again. Yet the blame is on amare when actually its melo that is the cancer on this team. He cant play within the flow of the offense. The team won 3 out of 4 with amare and only 2 of 10 with melo. I feel this team is a contender without melo but it has become a waste because of him.

[niko]

Really fire this coach. The team was just good because we were giving effort on defense with this accountability BS. Every coach can win in this league if they are held accountable and force to play hard without regard for health. It doesnt take a genius to be a good defensive coach. There are lots of defensive coaches in this league but are only good during their first years. Thibs is one of them. They get wins because they are forced to play hard and are sacrificing their bodies more. But observe their 2nd years and onwards, they will suck once their players are fully banged up. Just look at the bulls right now. I warned them that thibs would destroy their team but they just laughed at me. And woodson already costed us lin and aggravated amares injury.

Really dantoni can win with this team too during linsanity without even holding them accountable. And that team was much better coz they are cohesive on offense. It seems we rid of the wrong guy. Dantoni has proven he can win with this team and had a record of 11-1 during linsanity and when melo came back, we lost 8 of 10 but instead, we chose melo over dantoni. Amare was playing well and lin is posting career highs on assists and they both seem to fit well but once melo gets back, the 2 of them never had good games. Lin never had a double digit assists again. Yet the blame is on amare when actually its melo that is the cancer on this team. He cant play within the flow of the offense. The team won 3 out of 4 with amare and only 2 of 10 with melo. I feel this team is a contender without melo but it has become a waste because of him.

You want D'Antoni? seriously?

[Teanett]

Some people are so stupid and lacking in self-awareness, they think they're smart. That would be you.

So, because he doesn't say anything but "coach-speak" he "isn't smart"? Do you know how idiotic that assumption is? Unless you know him personally, you're in no position to make that call.

Woodson has an 18-6 regular season record (.750) with a franchise that was cratering so badly, it needed to fire its head coach during the season.

He took over a moribund Atlanta team, and built them up to the point where his regular season winning percentage was nearly 70% (.646).

Yeah, he's real dumb. I can't imagine how he functions in society.

You, on the other hand, can barely put together semi-coherent sentences. Your word formatting looks like a special education student, and the points you make are often nonsensical.

The bottom line: if anyone is lacking in intelligence in this discussion, its you.

you dont know him either. you dont know me either, yet you assume he is smarter than me when nothing that ever came out of his mouth warrants that.

you're the one jumping to conclusions, buddy, but you also said "luc longley ran the floor well" before...

[knicksman]

I think Woodson has done a pretty decent job:applause: Theres not many coaches who can come in and do a better job that are available.. (Phil Jackson is no chance so STFU).. I think if he gets to stay on and they actually have a training camp and more time to gel they will do alright next season....

Seeing as the Knicks had a rough year, got hammered by injuries on top of that, I think they did ok. Obviously it would have been better if they tanked and faced the Bulls or won an extra game or so and faced Indiana, but shit happens..:oldlol:

Sucks to see BDiddy go down:cry: Hope he can recover and come back, but it looked pretty bad..


Hey, at least they broke that horrible losing record in the playoffs:banana:


The injuries are the effects of woodsons defensive style. The best teams doesnt need defense to beat bottom tier teams thus, limiting the chances for injuries. Their cohesive offense is enough and dantoni has proven he can win without melo. This is just the same with chicagos case, rose ending his career with thibs because they dont have the offense to make them capable of relaxing a bit on defense.

[Teanett]

Really fire this coach. The team was just good because we were giving effort on defense with this accountability BS. Every coach can win in this league if they are held accountable and force to play hard without regard for health.

BANG!

[knicksman]

Some people are so stupid and lacking in self-awareness, they think they're smart. That would be you.

So, because he doesn't say anything but "coach-speak" he "isn't smart"? Do you know how idiotic that assumption is? Unless you know him personally, you're in no position to make that call.

Woodson has an 18-6 regular season record (.750) with a franchise that was cratering so badly, it needed to fire its head coach during the season.

He took over a moribund Atlanta team, and built them up to the point where his regular season winning percentage was nearly 70% (.646).

Yeah, he's real dumb. I can't imagine how he functions in society.

You, on the other hand, can barely put together semi-coherent sentences. Your word formatting looks like a special education student, and the points you make are often nonsensical.

The bottom line: if anyone is lacking in intelligence in this discussion, its you.

dantoni also had a record of 11-1 during linsanity and when melo came back, they lost 8 out of 10. So clearly this team is capable of winning so woodson really is not that good of a coach. Its just that we have a cancer on this team.

[knicksman]

You want D'Antoni? seriously?


I want dantoni over thibs. Ill take 2 conference finals and 1 finals trip(coz I consider spurs/suns rigged game to be the finals)over 1 conference finals and future first round exits for ending the career of rose. And thats what were getting from another defensive no offense coach in woodson. Lots of players are already getting injured on our team(Lin, amare, jeffries, davis, shumpert)

In fact boston wouldnt make it to the finals if they listened to thibs instead of doc whod rather want to win games rather than preserving the health of his players. Theres a reason why thibs has been an assistant for so long and hes been being exposed right now.

[knicksman]

BANG!

Accountability is for immature players who arent responsible enough. But of course we have melo.

[Sarcastic]

dantoni also had a record of 11-1 during linsanity and when melo came back, they lost 8 out of 10. So clearly this team is capable of winning so woodson really is not that good of a coach. Its just that we have a cancer on this team.

Knicks never had an 11-1 run with D'Antoni this season.

[Bigsmoke]

Blame Mike for not beating a team that has championship or bust expectation:rolleyes:


leave the black man alone

[Teanett]

Blame Mike for not beating a team that has championship or bust expectation:rolleyes:


leave the black man alone

you didnt care to read the whole thread, huh?

rip mca!

[Teanett]

apparently woodson is asking for 4 years!
no fukken way!

[Real Men Wear Green]

The only issue I see with the job Woodson did is allowing Smith to play no matter how bad his chuck-and-suck got. Anyone that thinks they could compete with Miami is just unrealistic. Too many injuries and not enough talent.

[Teanett]

The only issue I see with the job Woodson did is allowing Smith to play no matter how bad his chuck-and-suck got. Anyone that thinks they could compete with Miami is just unrealistic. Too many injuries and not enough talent.

it's chuck and suck with melo too. iso ball.
melo took more shots than stat, fields, tyson and baron combined.
:wtf:

and look at his rotation. jorts and jerome didnt play a lick, even with tyson flu ridden, amare cut and jefferries bum-kneed. doc rivers trusts hollins, stiemsma and wilcox in tuff situations.
woody is too much in love and dependant on talent.

[bagelred]

You want D'Antoni? seriously?

Woodson didn't impress me in any way. Isolation ball takes no brains whatsoever. Knicks always come across as the worst passing team in the league. Never an offensive flow.......just ISO ball that sometimes works/sometimes doesn't.

I don't see why we have to stick with Woodson when there are going to be many coaching options out there. Woodson got lucky with the schedule at the end of the year, and a rejuventated Melo. He really didn't do anything special at all........

Like I said before, any coach that trusts JR Smith to no end, but yells at Landry Fields for trying to make smart plays....honestly, how good can Woodson's judgment be.

Why not Thibadeou? He's a free agent. How bout Stan Van Gundy? Much rather have him than Woodson.

Knicks have options. Woodson doesn't "deserve" it. Wasn't he part of the coaching staff that was failing most of the year?

[Sarcastic]

Woodson didn't impress me in any way. Isolation ball takes no brains whatsoever. Knicks always come across as the worst passing team in the league. Never an offensive flow.......just ISO ball that sometimes works/sometimes doesn't.

I don't see why we have to stick with Woodson when there are going to be many coaching options out there. Woodson got lucky with the schedule at the end of the year, and a rejuventated Melo. He really didn't do anything special at all........

Like I said before, any coach that trusts JR Smith to no end, but yells at Landry Fields for trying to make smart plays....honestly, how good can Woodson's judgment be.

Why not Thibadeou? He's a free agent. How bout Stan Van Gundy? Much rather have him than Woodson.

Knicks have options. Woodson doesn't "deserve" it. Wasn't he part of the coaching staff that was failing most of the year?


Just wondering why you think he got lucky with the schedule, when the easy part of the schedule occurred early in the year under D'Antoni.

[bagelred]

Just wondering why you think he got lucky with the schedule, when the easy part of the schedule occurred early in the year under D'Antoni.

The stretch of games before MDA left was brutal. All on the road, very tough teams.......when Woody took over, the games were easier. Look at the schedule.

The beginning of the season is so long ago, Knicks have been through 6 reinventions since then.

[Blue&Orange]

The stretch of games before MDA left was brutal. All on the road, very tough teams.......when Woody took over, the games were easier. Look at the schedule.

The beginning of the season is so long ago, Knicks have been through 6 reinventions since then.
It was a 6 game road trip. Before that is was a cakewalk schedule, after that, i clearly remember "experts" saying the Bucks would make the playoffs, because Knicks schedule was though, and "experts" saying that Knicks should win games now (end of march), because next month was going to be brutal (april).

Your schedule argument fails. Your Jr argument prevails.

[bagelred]

Your schedule argument fails. .

Did you look for yourself? Look at the games. My argument wins, as usual. Because I'm awesome in every way possible.

[Blue&Orange]

Did you look for yourself? Look at the games. My argument wins, as usual. Because I'm awesome in every way possible.
Well, can't argue with that. :bowdown:


:oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

The stretch of games before MDA left was brutal. All on the road, very tough teams.......when Woody took over, the games were easier. Look at the schedule.

The beginning of the season is so long ago, Knicks have been through 6 reinventions since then.

I've looked at the schedule just about every day of the year. The tough stretch you are referring to is the only hard part the Knicks faced under MDA.


Fact: the Knicks lost to the Charlotte LOLcats under Mike D'Antoni.

[chairman]

Hahahahahahaha @ Knicks fans thinking they can get Thibs :lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:applause:

:cheers:

[bagelred]

Hahahahahahaha @ Knicks fans thinking they can get Thibs :lol



If Dolan wants Thibs, he'll get Thibs. You think he'll be outbid by the Bulls? :lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

it's chuck and suck with melo too. iso ball.
melo took more shots than stat, fields, tyson and baron combined.
:wtf: Stoudamire is a hobbled shell of himself and the other three can't do anything on offense. There's a reason why NY got pounded.


and look at his rotation. jorts and jerome didnt play a lick, even with tyson flu ridden, amare cut and jefferries bum-kneed. doc rivers trusts hollins, stiemsma and wilcox in tuff situations.
woody is too much in love and dependant on talent.
Wilcox has been out for a long time now, Doc does not play Stiemsma in the clutch and he certainly doesn't count on Hollins for much, don't know where you get these ideas from. Novak (that's "jorts," right?) maybe could have made more of a difference but all he does is shoot threes, he's not going to make the world of difference required to compete with Miami. Most coaches depend on talent (what does that line even mean?), as playing players with no talent isn't really the good strategy.

[chairman]

If Dolan wants Thibs, he'll get Thibs. You think he'll be outbid by the Bulls? :lol
Talk is cheap , ban bet. Thibs stays on the bulls

[Teanett]

Stoudamire is a hobbled shell of himself and the other three can't do anything on offense. There's a reason why NY got pounded.


Wilcox has been out for a long time now, Doc does not play Stiemsma in the clutch and he certainly doesn't count on Hollins for much, don't know where you get these ideas from. Novak (that's "jorts," right?) maybe could have made more of a difference but all he does is shoot threes, he's not going to make the world of difference required to compete with Miami. Most coaches depend on talent (what does that line even mean?), as playing players with no talent isn't really the good strategy.

stat shot over 50% this series. tyson leads the league in fg%.
but not only does melo shoot more than them, fukken jr chucksmith takes more shots then them combined.
jort is josh harrelson, a capable young big with a midrange jump shot.
hollins played way more than harrelson even though knicks have a depleted frontcourt.
woodson instead will play melo or novak at 4.

that's his only variation on offense anyway, go small+iso or go big+iso.
:banghead:

[Real Men Wear Green]

stat shot over 50% this series. tyson leads the league in fg%.
but not only does melo shoot more than them, fukken jr chucksmith takes more shots then them combined.
jort is josh harrelson, a capable young big with a midrange jump shot.
hollins played way more than harrelson even though knicks have a depleted frontcourt.
woodson instead will play melo or novak at 4.

that's his only variation on offense anyway, go small+iso or go big+iso.
:banghead:
Guys like Chandleralways shoot a high percentage because they're bigs that only shoot lay-ups off of others' creation, defensive lapses and rebounds. He's not actually going to create anything with his back to the basket. Stoudamire maybe could have been more involved but don't forget all the injuries he carries around (his contract is famous for being uninsurable) and the fact he almost accidentally ended his own season. Harrelson I can't comment on much because I've never watched him play but I'd guess that's related to him being a fringe player. I agree that the Knick offense stinks but with Lin out and Stoudamire hurt I don't see what the option to Melo's ISOs is going to be.

But I completely agree that letting Smith do the suck-and-chuck made no sense.

[Mr. Incredible]

His ISO heavy offense doesn't work in the playoffs. If NY wants a shot at winning anything, they need to throw a lot of money @ Phil and convince him to come out of retirement.

[Real Men Wear Green]

His ISO heavy offense doesn't work in the playoffs. If NY wants a shot at winning anything, they need to throw a lot of money @ Phil and convince him to come out of retirement.
If you can get PJ, get PJ, but where is the idea that Jackson has interest coming from? I've heard no quote from him about being Knicks coach and we've never seen him take on a team without a top 5 player to build around.

[knicksman]

I've looked at the schedule just about every day of the year. The tough stretch you are referring to is the only hard part the Knicks faced under MDA.


Fact: the Knicks lost to the Charlotte LOLcats under Mike D'Antoni.

with melo? We were losing 8 out of 10 with melo while winning 8 out of 9 without him

[Teanett]

bump!

[Random_Guy]

bump!
this is all cool and shit, but you were calling for woodson to play landry.
all iz well all iz well:cheers: :cheers:

[Teanett]

this is all cool and shit, but you were calling for woodson to play landry.
all iz well all iz well:cheers: :cheers:

i want landry back.
jr smith is a piece of shit.

[Teanett]

alright, do it!

[Teanett]

obligatory bump after another embarrassment.

here is an article that backs up the amazing incompetence of woodson's rotations with some numbers:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304014504579250480946421154

[niko]

If you can get PJ, get PJ, but where is the idea that Jackson has interest coming from? I've heard no quote from him about being Knicks coach and we've never seen him take on a team without a top 5 player to build around.
Phil doesn't want to be a coach period. He let the Nets use his name for a few hours to tweak the Knicks before giving them an emphatic NO and you know they'd come much closer to his demands than Dolan would. The only team I could ever see Phil coaching anymore (as opposed to a senior office role) would be the Lakers if something ridiculous like Lebron going there occured.

Phil would be perfect for the Knicks as the garden president. That's the job he should get, despite him not having experience I believe in his ability to choose people wisely, and he'd have cache that Dolan would leave alone. It would never happen so I'll stop talking (I might as well talk about my upcoming threesome with Kate Upton and Katy Perry than wax poetic about Dolan making an uber fantastic choice.)

[Teanett]

another article on woodson's possible firing:

allan huoston ready to take over? (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/12/11/5199374/knicks-rumors-mike-woodson-coach-allan-houston)

[Teanett]

or tom thibodeau???

stein thinks maybe thibs (http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/709/knicks-dolan-to-chase-thibs-dont-rule-it-out)

[JMT]

He's nothing special as a coach, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.

[Teanett]

bump!

what's the point in playing jr smith at the moment?

[Teanett]

prigi
hardaway
shump
melo
bargs/stat/kenyon

thaz how the knicks roll in the 4th quarter!

why cant this dumbass coach figure it out earlier?

[Teanett]

what a joke of a coach...
:facepalm

[Fresh Kid]

I agree, he need to leave, and Dolan too.:facepalm

[tomtucker]

mike woodson

[Teanett]

you guys reckon avery johnson would be desperate enough to try to take over this team?

a popovich disciple is what this team needs.

:applause:

[Teanett]

tyson is back. they still play horrible basketball.
it wont change.
woodson's strategy is to let jr, bargs and melo chuck while tyson plays d and gets tap backs. after the game, he watches jr suck dolan's kock.

[Teanett]

watching the memphis game... knicks still dont look like a pro basketball team.
fukk mike woodson!

[Teanett]

another loss... at home... against a bad team that was without their best player

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[kurple]

can a mod just delete this thread so this guy doesnt have to bump it every time the knicks lose?

[Teanett]

can a mod just delete this thread so this guy doesnt have to bump it every time the knicks lose?

but then i'd make a new one everytime?

no, let's keep this as a chronology of the knicks' demise during the woodson/melo era.

[Teanett]

can hardly beat the magic.
getting embarassed by the thunder (is it still embarassing if it's expected?)

BU to the fuggin MP!

[Teanett]

now back2back losses to toronto, who's tanking for andrew wiggins.
:facepalm

[Teanett]

first bargnani, now jr smith... what a well coached high iq team.
:facepalm :facepalm

[Clutch]

first bargnani, now jr smith... what a well coached high iq team.
:facepalm :facepalm
I don't think you can blame Woodson for that. J.R. will always be a dumbass,no matter who's coaching. You can blame Woody for playing him so much though.

[Sarcastic]

I don't think you can blame Woodson for that. J.R. will always be a dumbass,no matter who's coaching. You can blame Woody for playing him so much though.


Do you really think JR would do that if Popavich or Thibs was the coach?

[Teanett]

Do you really think JR would do that if Popavich or Thibs was the coach?

or doc? or p-jax?
i've never seen a team make so many dumb ass mistakes and remeber, it's not only this season...

-men in black
-honey nut cheerios/waiting at the bus
-jason terry elbow

:banghead:

[Sarcastic]

Here's the latest gem from Potato Head, blaming Beno Udrih for JR's shot

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/419888098613272576


Woodson said J.R. was "wide open. The bottom line is you look at his shot but did Beno have to throw him the ball? You gotta look at that"

[imdaman99]

Here's the latest gem from Potato Head, blaming Beno Udrih for JR's shot

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/419888098613272576
He's kinda right. When I play basketball and it's point game in a close game, I don't pass it to fuggin retarded boneheads who I know will put up a stupid shot trying to win the game even though they know the right move is to get it to the best player on the team. You don't do that. But then again, if they played like that in the NBA where it was next point wins that would be a good shot because of how open he was.

What I'm saying is, Udrih is clueless but he has no help from the coach. There's a reason Udrih is a career backup and journeyman. He is terrible on defense and doesn't belong in the game in closing seconds on OFFENSE or DEFENSE. Woodson is unfireable...that's the conclusion I come at with this team :(

[BallsOut]

Here's the latest gem from Potato Head, blaming Beno Udrih for JR's shot

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/419888098613272576

:wtf: Does Beno Udrih, a point guard, have to pass to JR Smith, the shooting guard?

:biggums: Does Wayne Brady have to choke a bitch?

[Sarcastic]

He's kinda right. When I play basketball and it's point game in a close game, I don't pass it to fuggin retarded boneheads who I know will put up a stupid shot trying to win the game even though they know the right move is to get it to the best player on the team. You don't do that. But then again, if they played like that in the NBA where it was next point wins that would be a good shot because of how open he was.

What I'm saying is, Udrih is clueless but he has no help from the coach. There's a reason Udrih is a career backup and journeyman. He is terrible on defense and doesn't belong in the game in closing seconds on OFFENSE or DEFENSE. Woodson is unfireable...that's the conclusion I come at with this team :(


The bottom line is did JR Smith have to be in the game? You gotta look at that.

[Blue&Orange]

BArgs did the right thing, he secured the rebound and passed the ball to his PG. Then his retarded PG instead of keeping the ball, like he was supposed to do, he made a quick pass to the open man, that happened to be JR, that idiot is already hard wired to shoot, he sees his PG making a quick pass to him what people expected, pavlov reflex.

I blame Beno.
Woodson is right. Any decent PG would have hold on to the ball.

[Teanett]

finally, woodson benches jr smith!!!

as a result, knicks play the best game of the season. :banghead:

additionally, toure' murray turns out to be a competent defender.
why was he on the bench for 30 games when we're trotting out beno udrih and fat felton?

man, anyone could make these minor adjustments that make a huge difference.

woodson is terrible.

[Teanett]

after a 5 game win streak, the mighty bobcats defeat the knicks again...

mike woodson's infatuation with terrible defensive point guards continues.
4th quarter it's beno and fat ray.

this is the best line up til tyson is back in shape:

toure'
tim
shump
melo
stat

why cant they be in the game when it matters?

[kNIOKAS]

Pack Woody and JR and sell the in the Brooklyn Flea market.

[Da Doc04]

Pack Woody and JR and sell the in the Brooklyn Flea market.


:oldlol:

[Blue&Orange]

after a 5 game win streak, the mighty bobcats defeat the knicks again...

mike woodson's infatuation with terrible defensive point guards continues.
4th quarter it's beno and fat ray.

this is the best line up til tyson is back in shape:

toure'
tim
shump
melo
stat

why cant they be in the game when it matters?
If you had any intelligence you would know why.

[Teanett]

the beatdown by the pacers is further proof that woodson's plan to match up to their size is useless. getting bargnani doesnt mean getting bigger...:facepalm

and where is toure'???
they were an excellent 7-1 when he got some burn.
now they dropped two with felton and beno, the turnstile brothers point guard rotation.

is mike woodson blind? retarded? possibly both?

[Draz]

There wasn't shit we could of done to beat this pacers team anyways. They were 18-1 at home. Seriously.

[imdaman99]

Pacers are better than the Knicks but the gotdamn refs made sure the game got out of hand by the end of the 1st half. Chandler has been ass too, so I can't really blame that on Woodson. I really can't stand when Felton gets a pick and then shoots a 20 footer. A coach needs to tell him to drive and create but do not fcking shoot that ball, you are a terrible shooter.

I liked him benching JR, and I can't really kill JR since he hasn't been that horrible since playing again. But he ignores Murry again. HE IS A GOOD FCKING DEFENDER YOU POTATOHEAD, put him in to cover Lance Stephenson. Try something else to cover that guy, it's obvious whatever you've been doing since last year IS NOT WORKING. There is only 1 Shump, and you gotta put him on George.

[Draz]

The refs did get out if hand that game. I won't complain, human error. But, we just have to admit that we can't just beat any team. We can't complain and be upset because we lost to a pacer team that are that good at home. The home advantage as well. We just can't. We have to be lucky to have good match ups for the playoffs if we even make it that favors us.

[Teanett]

There wasn't shit we could of done to beat this pacers team anyways. They were 18-1 at home. Seriously.

the pacers are very good, but the woodson's idea since last years playoffs is to match up to them, wich has completely backfired.
just like ignoring prigioni and stat last year, potato man sits murry and goes away from the shump-hardaway-murry combo that brought it with energy the last couple of games.

last night wasnt just a loss but a tough reality check: knicks have no chance against indiana going big.

how can you have melo, stat and bargnani on the floor at the same time?

what is going on in the brain of mike woodson?

[Sgt. Brody]

We should keep bumping this thread until they fire this guy.

[Jameerthefear]

We should keep bumping this thread until they fire this guy.
This. I bet Dolan is reading this thread right now.

[cos88]

We should keep bumping this thread until they fire this guy.

yes, WE THE PEOPLE...

also let's go in the steets too.

[Teanett]

nets get their payback.

jason kidd looks like the better coach... duh!

tyson chandler saying "nets outschemed us"... duh!

woodson with the genius idea to start prigioni, then take him out after 4 minutes, then put him back in with 30 seconds to go in the half. :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Should've happened after the Indiana series, when Vogel ran circles around him from a coaching perspective.


I hated D'Antoni, but Mic Wudson is BY FAR THE WORST COACH EVER IN THE NBA!!!

[Teanett]

Should've happened after the Indiana series, when Vogel ran circles around him from a coaching perspective.


i wanted him gone a year before that, after the miami series.
he's clueless. worst coach i can remember.

[kurple]

I hated D'Antoni, but Mic Wudson is BY FAR THE WORST COACH EVER IN THE NBA!!!
classic knicks fans

[swagga]

classic knicks fans

classic knick fan not even watchin any more . Golf :facepalm :lol

[imdaman99]

I agree with what Chandler said but he sucks too.

Trade Chandler, get a late 1st round pick from OKC or Portland or San Antonio. Chandler is one of Lebron's kryptonites. He does not dominate series that he has to play against Chandler in the middle.

I appreciate the culture you brought, but you got dominated last year against Indiana when it should have been a wash against Hibbert. Woodson is not getting fired, let's face it. It's sad that I miss KMart and Amare so much already.

[Teanett]

loss vs the mighty sixers.
gave up 61 points in the first half.
evan turner with a career high.

abysmal defense, abysmal home record.

how is this woodson dude still in charge?

:banghead:

[Teanett]

btw, mike woodson gives the most meaningless, stereotypical coach gibber interviews evar.

"(and again/ at the end of the day) my job is to get the players to play harder and smarter... and that's their job"- mike woodson

what does that even mean?

[Teanett]

when melo isnt scorching hot, the knicks are the most unwatchable team on the planet

[navy]

Mike Woodson sucks but the problem with the KNicks is the fact that Shumpert and JRSmith have fallen off. Both due to injuries. When Shumpert was playing well so were the knicks.

[Teanett]

bargnani is out, melo plays at the 4 = knicks win
murry, aldrich+tyler can give you quality minutes if just you let them try.

hey woodson, it aint that hard to coach a basketball team, you moron!

[smoovegittar]

bargnani is out, melo plays at the 4 = knicks win
murry, aldrich+tyler can give you quality minutes if just you let them try.

hey woodson, it aint that hard to coach a basketball team, you moron!

My biggest problem with Mike Woodson is his reluctance to let the kids play. Those 3 should average 12-20 minutes a game every game to see what we have. They've all shown glimpses and work hard. Bench Beno and play Murry.

Best thing that happened this year is Barg's injury, sorry to say.

[Teanett]

knicks lose to the heat. it happens, no big deal.
BUT... what's the point of playing amar'e less than 5 minutes and metta 50 seconds?

they're not going to get any kind of rhythm and it's quite disrespectful to an nba champion and veteran to get treated like that, while coach has been sucking jr smith's cokk for 2 1/2 seasons.

[Teanett]

and another loss to the mighty bucks.
cant mr goatee potato head understand that it's bad to play raymond felton if you want to win basketball games???

:facepalm

[niko]

and another loss to the mighty bucks.
cant mr goatee potato head understand that it's bad to play raymond felton if you want to win basketball games???

:facepalm
I don't get at the end of a game with Melo bringing the ball up why we can't have Chandler/Melo/3 headed shooting guards. Why not? We need Felton to distribute, does he do that?

[Teanett]

I don't get at the end of a game with Melo bringing the ball up why we can't have Chandler/Melo/3 headed shooting guards. Why not? We need Felton to distribute, does he do that?

he doesnt and he scored 3 points...
turre' murry can score 3 points and make it tougher on brandon knight.
murry was playing during the winning streak wasnt he???
:facepalm :banghead:

woodson is a fukking jerk. he has no clue. there's no record of him having a clue. last year's team was run by jason kidd, as there's much more coaching and strategic activity going on with the nets now.
woodson does nothing. just plays his guys, looking for rotations that include his guys. waits for them to get hot. switches on defense even though he doesnt have the players for it. THAT'S HIS STRATEGY!

[smoovegittar]

he doesnt and he scored 3 points...
turre' murry can score 3 points and make it tougher on brandon knight.
murry was playing during the winning streak wasnt he???
:facepalm :banghead:

woodson is a fukking jerk. he has no clue. there's no record of him having a clue. last year's team was run by jason kidd, as there's much more coaching and strategic activity going on with the nets now.
woodson does nothing. just plays his guys, looking for rotations that include his guys. waits for them to get hot. switches on defense even though he doesnt have the players for it. THAT'S HIS STRATEGY!

Jesus, you may very well be right. That was a freakin' horrible loss... getting harder and harder to remain interested in the games. I don't see the reason for not playing Murry - I was thrilled when he made the roster. Felton HAS to go.

[imdaman99]

JR is improving though. So I guess that's something. BUT FELTON... I hope this guy is out of basketball after this season. He is a disgrace, I don't think he could guard backups if the backup has any speed. If he is not driving and dishing, he is useless. Fck you Felton, apologize some more for being a giant pile of shit :rant

[Fresh Kid]

get Woodson, Felton and Shumpert outta here, I think that will make things better.

[Teanett]

get Woodson, Felton and Shumpert outta here, I think that will make things better.

i do believe that if shump had a decent coach he would better maximize his potential.

[Teanett]

finally, the players show frustration with woodson's contentless coach gibberish:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10414486/mike-woodson-calls-new-york-knicks-season-kind-disaster

[imdaman99]

Woodson closer and closer to being out :rockon:

Worried about Shump, hope a coaching change can fix him. He has too many 0 pt games :wtf:

[Godzuki]

my biggest beef right now with the Knicks is not playing Amare more. he says he's been 100% since the start of the season with no doctor limit. he's looked great more often than not, and he might have the best mid range J on the team. him and JR recently have been great on the picknroll or just drive dishes too.

i mean yeah Amare is injury prone but there is no reason you don't get what you can out of him before another injury happens. kills me how obvious it seems to play him more.

[smoovegittar]

my biggest beef right now with the Knicks is not playing Amare more. he says he's been 100% since the start of the season with no doctor limit. he's looked great more often than not, and he might have the best mid range J on the team. him and JR recently have been great on the picknroll or just drive dishes too.

i mean yeah Amare is injury prone but there is no reason you don't get what you can out of him before another injury happens. kills me how obvious it seems to play him more.

I think the coach sees him as a defensive liability.

[Teanett]

another coaching gem by mike woodson against the mighty kings... :applause:

[JohnFreeman]

another coaching gem by mike woodson against the mighty kings... :applause:
http://media.kentucky.com/smedia/2013/09/30/15/48/lragR.AuSt.79.jpg

[Teanett]

why melo cant hit cltuch shots anymore (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303704304579381591699780548?mod=WS J_NY_MIDDLETopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB1000 1424052702303704304579381591699780548.html%3Fmod%3 DWSJ_NY_MIDDLETopStories&fpid=2,7,121,122,201,401,641,1009)

woodson's such a fackin ass. it's clear as water that melo's tired down the stretch.

[Teanett]

so metta can still play some d. it's not like the knicks couldnt use some.
why is this fackin joke of a basketball coach still in charge???

[T-Time3]

lmao
dolan won't so shieeeetttt doe

[smoovegittar]

so metta can still play some d. it's not like the knicks couldnt use some.
why is this fackin joke of a basketball coach still in charge???

He'll be gone after the season... Dolan will honor his word. I know, hard to take...

[Teanett]

knicks off season additions:

bargnani
metta world peace
beno udrih
lil bro smith

well that turned out fackin great, innit mike? facking moron!

[MichaelCorleone]

It's not entirely the coach, it's management.

[Teanett]

It's not entirely the coach, it's management.

sure but read this atlanta hawks blod from 2006:
http://firemikewoodson.blogspot.de/

sound familiar to the situation now.

[MichaelCorleone]

sure but read this atlanta hawks blod from 2006:
http://firemikewoodson.blogspot.de/

sound familiar to the situation now.
:eek: You made that blog? That's a bit too much dedication for a B-level coach...

[Teanett]

let me quote from the 2006 blog:


"Woody's Failures

1. Defense: For someone who is supposed to be a protege of a defensive guru, he sure knows nothing about developing defenses. In 2 years the Hawks have been unable to defend the pick and roll. It is as if they have never seen the pick and roll."

spot on describing the knicks' d the last 2 seasons.

[Teanett]

:eek: You made that blog? That's a bit too much dedication for a B-level coach...

i didnt.
a hawks fan made it 8 years ago and it's still holds true today.

[MichaelCorleone]

i didnt.
a hawks fan made it 8 years ago and it's still holds true today.
You're too dedicated as a fan to dig up something from 8 years ago. Wow.:eek::applause:

[Teanett]

who in a right mind puts melo on dirk to defend a game ending possession?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well last season he was considered one of the best coaches in the league by knicks fans and some other fans. Its not even a year and how things have changed...
:lol

[Teanett]

Well last season he was considered one of the best coaches in the league by knicks fans and some other fans. Its not even a year and how things have changed...
:lol

you do realize that this thread is from 2012, do you?

[Kiddlovesnets]

you do realize that this thread is from 2012, do you?

Yeah I do, its hilarious that he was a good coach in 2013 but in 2012 and 2014 he was not anymore?
:oldlol:

[Teanett]

Yeah I do, its hilarious that he was a good coach in 2013 but in 2012 and 2014 he was not anymore?
:oldlol:

he was always a bad coach. hawks fan said the same shit about him in 2006.

[Kiddlovesnets]

he was always a bad coach. hawks fan said the same shit about him in 2006.

Oh really? If my memory was correct last season Knicks fans were quite happy and even proud of Mike Woodson as their coach.
:eek:

[Teanett]

Oh really? If my memory was correct last season Knicks fans were quite happy and even proud of Mike Woodson as their coach.
:eek:
well, there are knick fans and there are DUMB knick fans...

[East_Stone_Ya]

it's amazing that he hasn't been fired yet

[Teanett]

38 points for the warriors in the 1st quarter.
this team doesnt play defense. what's up with that?
even d'antoni's teams play better d than that.
knicks just switch til death.

[Teanett]

:eek: :eek: :cry:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm not sure the Knicks have a vision for what they are going to do with the team going forwards and that is why it doesn't matter whether Woodson is fired or not. Until they come up with a plan whoever they replaced Woodson with would just be on borrowed time himself. The current Knicks have no identity. Are they playing tough D? Uptempo with scorers? Precise with a half-court offense? Or just a bunch of guys hoping Melo scores 50? Unfortunately for the Knicks the team is all about Anthony and Anthony has not given a clear signal that he wants to lead this team going forwards. The team is thus just chaos and from the outside looking in it appears they've given up.

Which I guess means that Woodson has to go, sooner or later, because even a great coach would be of no use if his players no longer play hard for him. But that also means the team must be blown up. As the trade deadline has been passed it's too late to blow the team up, and if it's too late to do that then why pay for a second coach? He'd only be dealing with a bunch of players the team is about to get rid of.

So throw your hands in the air, tell Woodson to push as hard as he can for the postseason (knowing it's almost hopeless), and then fire him in the offseason while getting rid of as much salary as possible.