Lebron just won his 3rd MVP

[pauk]

:bowdown:

[Mr. Jabbar]

far from it, what did he do in the final minute besides 2 missed shots and a turnover?

[O_City_Thunder]

GTFOH :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

We are not worthy :bowdown: LeMazing LeFantastic LeGoat :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kileer7]

LeMVP.

[k0kakw0rld]

far from it, what did he do in the final minute besides 2 missed shots and a turnover?
And what about the other candidate?

[Bernie Nips]

far from it, what did he do in the final minute besides 2 missed shots and a turnover?

Win.

[maybeshewill13]

When did they start handing out the MVP based on one game?

Also, are you forgetting he scored 17 against the Thunder? Durant had a bad game tonight and still had 30.

Lebron had an excellent game tonight.. but talk about overreaction?

I really do hope we face Miami in the finals, would be a much better matchup for us than Chicago.

EDIT: Nevermind just realized it was a Pauk thread, nothing to see here.

[kileer7]

We are not worthy :bowdown: LeMazing LeFantastic LeGoat :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

LeGoat :biggums:

He is LeMVP though :cheers:

[SavageMode]

He shut down Durant and got a double double with the most points. /End.

[pauk]

far from it, what did he do in the final minute besides 2 missed shots and a turnover?

He made it 94 - 93....

Then Durant bricked...

Then Bosh made it 96 - 93...

Then Durant airballed...

Then they desperately fouled Wade and he made it 98 - 93...

Then Durant fell down...

Heat win...

STFU & GOODBYE :cheers:

[eazyduzzit10]

far from it, what did he do in the final minute besides 2 missed shots and a turnover?
he played well in the 4th quarter

[BankShot]

Anyone with a f*cking brain had LeBron winning the MVP before this game. :facepalm

[StateOfMind12]

Lebron is probably the favorite again but the race is far from over.

[LBJMVP]

so beating OKC in the regular season now = MVP?

still 14 games to play...

[eazyduzzit10]

We are not worthy :bowdown: LeMazing LeFantastic LeGoat :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:roll: :roll: :facepalm c'mon son take it easy haha

[oh the horror]

He made it 94 - 93....

Then Durant bricked...

Then Bosh made it 96 - 93...

Then Durant airballed...

Then they desperately fouled Wade and he made it 98 - 93...

Then Durant fell down...

Heat win...

STFU & GOODBYE :cheers:



So.....what exactly did Lebron do there?

[LBJMVP]

Anyone with a f*cking brain had LeBron winning the MVP before this game. :facepalm


its actually a pretty tight race between him and durant right now... this gives lebron the slight edge, but there are still 14 games to be played.

[pauk]

When did they start handing out the MVP based on one game?

Also, are you forgetting he scored 17 against the Thunder? Durant had a bad game tonight and still had 30.

Lebron had an excellent game tonight.. but talk about overreaction?

I really do hope we face Miami in the finals, would be a much better matchup for us than Chicago.

EDIT: Nevermind just realized it was a Pauk thread, nothing to see here.

What do you mean one game?

Lebron was a runaway MVP for 95% of the season... Durant made it interesting for 1-2 weeks when Lebron losed to him and losed to Celtics with his low scoring... but now with the last wins/games and this one.... he has secured that #1 spot again...

[SavageMode]

The second Spoelstra put Lebron back in the game they started scoring again. Lebron > Durant.

[Alamo]

He shut down Durant and got a double double with the most points. /End.

Durant still had 30 points and shot over 50%. Shut down is the wrong word.

[Kyle_korver]

We are not worthy :bowdown: LeMazing LeFantastic LeGoat :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

LeBeast LeJesus LeMonster LeDPOY durant puts up 9 turnovers :bowdown:

[PJR]

LeGod. Witness.

[pauk]

Durant still had 30 points and shot over 50%. Shut down is the wrong word.

9 turnovers..................................... those were all deflections & losing the ball and some steals, caused by Lebron... how about those last defensive plays aswell in the clutch? Durant was taking TOUGH shots all day long while Lebron was on him... he had only one easy basket while Lebron was sleeping, cutting to the basket...

[LBJMVP]

So.....what exactly did Lebron do there?


i hate lebron as much as the next guy, but i would be lying to say he had a bad last 5 minutes. he shut down durant... and to say that is nothing is just ignorant.

[BankShot]

its actually a pretty tight race between him and durant right now... this gives lebron the slight edge, but there are still 14 games to be played.

Like I said.... anyone with a brain has LBJ winning the MVP regardless of the outcome of this game.

Single games don't win MVPs :facepalm

[maybeshewill13]

What do you mean one game?

Lebron was a runaway MVP for 95% of the season... Durant made it interesting for 1-2 weeks when Lebron losed to him and losed to Celtics with his low scoring... but now with the last wins/games and this one.... he has secured that #1 spot again...

Showing your intelligence here buddy.. :roll:

P.S. They could give the MVP to Durant or Lebron, either one are equally worthy at this point.

[konex]

I don't think he wins unless OKC has a worse record. Durant played a good game too

[ballinhun8]

Talk about over reacting.



Durant still played a great game, stuffed Bron on an easy fast break and made him look silly on the alley oop.


Depending where they finish, Durant still might win.



He's played two great games but he recently played two terrible games so stop being a hypocrite.

[francesco totti]

LBJ was MVP for the whole year, bas last 2 weeks when durant took over.
I would say today LBJ took over back.I dont know what it will come down too now.

[gilalizard]

lol no

[eazyduzzit10]

LBJ was MVP for the whole year, bas last 2 weeks when durant took over.
I would say today LBJ took over back.I dont know what it will come down too now.
LBJ deserves the MVP imo but I think the media will give it to Durant. They get bored voting for the same person every single year

[the_future02]

34 points 10 assist 7 rebounds and 4 steals and great 4th qtr defense against the best scorer in the league and best team in the NBA. Hating on him tonight only makes you look foolish.

[gilalizard]

9 turnovers..................................... those were all deflections & losing the ball and some steals, caused by Lebron... how about those last defensive plays aswell in the clutch? Durant was taking TOUGH shots all day long while Lebron was on him... he had only one easy basket while Lebron was sleeping, cutting to the basket...


so you're saying he had it really really difficult, and still scored 30 on over 50%?

[BankShot]

34 points 10 assist 7 rebounds and 4 steals and great 4th qtr defense against the best scorer in the league and best team in the NBA. Hating on him tonight only makes you look foolish.

Well put... :applause:

[LoneyROY7]

Gotta give LeBron his props...dude went IN tonight.

[pauk]

LBJ was MVP for the whole year, bas last 2 weeks when durant took over.
I would say today LBJ took over back.I dont know what it will come down too now.

Exactly

[Mr. Jabbar]

so, are we all gonna act like we're not surfin' on a 1 star thread ??

:kobe:

[Kingwillball]

I think it depends on these games down the stretch and how the teams finish and of course how those two do.. Lebron Clearly looks like he shook out of that mini slump the past couple games..

[Fuhrer Hubbs]

http://oi42.tinypic.com/1zbrwqr.jpg

[RRR3]

so you're saying he had it really really difficult, and still scored 30 on over 50%?
Yes, Durant is an all-time great scorer, dude, LeBron played terrific defense on him, Durant is gonna get his period. A fair amount of his points came w/ LBJ on the bench as well.

[pauk]

so you're saying he had it really really difficult, and still scored 30 on over 50%?

Against Lebron yes... against Battier... he had it pretty easy...

[pauk]

LEBRON VS THUNDER TONIGHT:

http://i.imgur.com/WyRLv.gif

[gilalizard]

http://oi42.tinypic.com/1zbrwqr.jpg

champion mavs in background lol

[Maneva]

34 points 10 assist 7 rebounds and 4 steals and great 4th qtr defense against the best scorer in the league and best team in the NBA. Hating on him tonight only makes you look foolish.

Durant won the first round, LeBron won the second, so they're even at least in head to head matchups. BUT, LeBron gets bonus points for shutting down Durant down the stretch. Despite all his problems in the final minutes offensively, LeBron came through on defense, and so in that way he was most definitely clutch. If LeBron gets the MVP I hope people cite his defense as the #1 reason. Being able to guard every position and make great defensive stops against players as good as Durant is what really sets him apart imo.

[guy]

Like Durant, hate Lebron. But Lebron outplayed Durant tonight and Durant did not have a good game. He had like 10 turnovers.

At this point I think MVP will come down to who has the better record. If its a tie record then :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[RRR3]

Like Durant, hate Lebron. But Lebron outplayed Durant tonight and Durant did not have a good game. He had like 10 turnovers.

At this point I think MVP will come down to who has the better record. If its a tie record then :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
CO-MVPs. :D

[Mr. Jabbar]

not nearly the butt rape durant gave lebron in their first matchup. Durant wins the overall regular season matchup between him and lbj.

/thread

[Doranku]

Too bad he can't win a ring doe :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

LeQuit, LeChoke, LeFraud :lol

[truhooper]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Kingwillball]

not nearly the butt rape durant gave lebron in their first matchup. Durant wins the overall regular season matchup between him and lbj.

/thread


Actually the dude who does the stats with Durant and Lebron play by play said Lebron won regular season matchup by a hair..

[KingBeasley08]

LeGawd James :bowdown:

[francesco totti]

Like Durant, hate Lebron. But Lebron outplayed Durant tonight and Durant did not have a good game. He had like 10 turnovers.

At this point I think MVP will come down to who has the better record. If its a tie record then :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

I think Lebron has the edge in playmaking abilities, and defence.Plus he was hyped all year since the start, it was just 2 weeks ago people starting putting durant on top.

In pretty much everything else they are equal. Shooting percentages, scoring, rebounds, blocks, team record etc.

[LBJMVP]

Actually the dude who does the stats with Durant and Lebron play by play said Lebron won regular season matchup by a hair..


but that was a couple minutes after the game ended... humans have a short memory.

i'd say it was even though.

whichever one of them slips up the most in the last 14 games doesnt win MVP

[Kingwillball]

I think Lebron has the edge in playmaking abilities, and defence.Plus he was hyped all year since the start, it was just 2 weeks ago people starting putting durant on top.

In pretty much everything else they are equal. Shooting percentages, scoring, rebounds, blocks, team record etc.


Yeah the assists and Steals Lebron has edge but overall pretty close..

[O_City_Thunder]

You know what? I actually hope Lebron wins the MVP this year. It's nothing but a curse anyway.

Lebron winning MVP = Miami Heat not winning a ring

[Meticode]

LeBron can win all the MVPs he wants, until he wins a ring it honestly means zilch until then.

[PJR]

You know what? I actually hope Lebron wins the MVP this year. It's nothing but a curse anyway.

Lebron winning MVP = Miami Heat not winning a ring

Whatever helps you sleep at night brah...

[StateOfMind12]

Whatever helps you sleep at night brah...
He is actually right because the last time the MVP won the title was in 2003 when Duncan won it.

It's been almost a decade since the MVP also won the title.

[guy]

CO-MVPs. :D

It would probably go to Durant. In a close race like that they would award it to the guy that never won it, even if it's unfair.

[bmulls]

not nearly the butt rape durant gave lebron in their first matchup. Durant wins the overall regular season matchup between him and lbj.

/thread

The sports writers who vote for MVP don't look at that. Momentum at the end of the season is the biggest factor in winning the MVP.

[TeamLAC]

Thunder torch Heat in 1st meeting. Durant played well.
Heat escape Thunder by small deficit. Lebron played well.

Lebron = MVP?
That's what I'm seeing... ISH :facepalm

[Mr. Jabbar]

The sports writers who vote for MVP don't look at that. Momentum at the end of the season is the biggest factor in winning the MVP.

Thats why no1 respects the guys that get payed for deciding those awards. Those "pros" overreact ISHer style and have a memory span of 10-15 games when deciding a season award. :facepalm

[bmulls]

Thats why no1 respects the guys that get payed for deciding those awards. Those "pros" overreact ISHer style and have a memory span of 10-15 games when deciding a season award. :facepalm

Agree, and that is why D Rose won MVP when he didn't really deserve it.

Cue butthurt Bulls fans who know it's true.

[guy]

Agree, and that is why D Rose won MVP when he didn't really deserve it.

Cue butthurt Bulls fans who know it's true.

Rose was the favorite throughout the season.

[Kews1]

He didnt win it tonight but his last two games are pretty good statements in the scheme of things. Big game w/o wade against Philly and then a big performance against the favourite from the west that has the only other real MVP candidate on it. If he can back these up with good games for the rest of the year its his to lose. He played well in the fourth today i was impressed but Durant could of easily come out on top aswell had he hit a few of those shots at the end it would be the other way around right now but Lebron has put himself in a good position.

[cteach111]

He is actually right because the last time the MVP won the title was in 2003 when Duncan won it.

It's been almost a decade since the MVP also won the title.

and how many of these MVPs were on teams that looked like they really had a shot at a title?

I wouldn't say PHX since I always doubted their chances against the Spurs. The Lakers in 2008? not with Boston on a mission in the way. 2009/2010 Lebron and the Cavs? I never thought they'd win a title with that team, but i still have legit criticisms about how he handled things and the playoff series with the Celts. 2004 with KG? They ran into a stacked Lakers team that year.

Is there any team that is looking down on the Heat this year? I don't think so.

[StateOfMind12]

and how many of these MVPs were on teams that looked like they really had a shot at a title?

I wouldn't say PHX since I always doubted their chances against the Spurs. The Lakers in 2008? not with Boston on a mission in the way. 2009/2010 Lebron and the Cavs? I never thought they'd win a title with that team, but i still have legit criticisms about how he handled things and the playoff series with the Celts. 2004 with KG? They ran into a stacked Lakers team that year.

Is there any team that is looking down on the Heat this year? I don't think so.
2008 Lakers, 2010 Cavs, 2011 Bulls.

All three of those teams were capable of winning. 2010 Cavs probably would have won it all or at least got to the Finals if LeBron didn't quit. The Lakers in 2008 were actually favorite to win the Finals against the Celtics so I think you should think again.

[SourPatchKids]

Only person it can possibly go too. :confusedshrug:

[LakersReign]

:bowdown:

Uh huh....yeah....right....sure. I foprgot, according to Lebronytes, Lebron's name is engraved on the MVP trophy:sleeping

[bmulls]

Uh huh....yeah....right....sure. I foprgot, according to Lebronytes, Lebron's name is engraved on the MVP trophy:sleeping

You probably think Kobe is still a candidate :rolleyes:

[All Net]

The fact Lebron has been the leader most of the season will plan into his hands come end of the season. I feel Durant needed to win here and outplay Lebron again to get it. Most of the media seem to be picking Lebron.

[stallionaire]

If LeBron James is not this years MVP, we need to truly accept that the award is a popularity contest and that it has nothing to do with absolute dominance.

[FPJ]

To be honest, if Wade wasnt on this team, Lebron would be MVP every year. Just imagine what would happen if he'd take the number of shots Kobe takes every game.

[Soundwave]

I think Durant will still win if OKC finishes with the best record, but definitely a big time statement game from LeBron.

[LA_Showtime]

LeBron is hands down the best player in the league, but I would rather see Durant win it. I want LeBron to prove himself in the Finals. Who cares what he does in the regular season?

[SpecialQue]

It would be incredible if he won yet another MVP award and somehow still didn't bring his team a championship this year.

[LakersReign]

You probably think Kobe is still a candidate :rolleyes:

Holla back when you can find a link to me saying that:sleeping

[Kews1]

LeBron is hands down the best player in the league, but I would rather see Durant win it. I want LeBron to prove himself in the Finals. Who cares what he does in the regular season?

Word

[BallsOut]

LeBron is hands down the best player in the league, but I would rather see Durant win it. I want LeBron to prove himself in the Finals. Who cares what he does in the regular season?

The best player plays 4 quarters not 3 :roll:

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

I think Kevin Durant deserves this year's MVP more than LeBron.

[bdreason]

Have people already forgot the Heat lost by 20 to the Thunder like a week ago?



The Heat were supposed to win this game.

[TheJuice31]

It all depends on what voters truly value. For fans, a player is only as good as his last game and if you're operating under a "what have you done for me lately" mentality, then this MVP race is neck-and-neck. Up until this week, it looked like Durant had eked ahead with a torrid past couple of weeks he had strung together, which coincidentally couldn't have come at a better time since the Heat were struggling.

This week, LeBron's put together two mammoth games, including one against KD, and because that's the freshest impression in our minds, LeBron is all of a sudden now slightly ahead...which really means that nothing was settled last night and it may be a whole new story in one week.

It's too close to call if you care about who's playing the best ball at this very moment. If you're taking the entire season's body of work into consideration, then the award goes to LeBron and frankly, it's not even that close.

[SpaceJammeR]

if people were saying durant=mvp after they beat miami last time why can't people say lebron=mvp now?

lebron dropped what 34 pt 10 ass 7 reb 4 stls

plus durant had like 9 turnovers today. if lebron had 9 turnovers people would be giving him hell for that.

[LakersReign]

IMO, Durant has had the more consistent season, since MVP isn't about a good game or 2 here and there. But more about consistent good games throughout the entire season. Lebron may get all the hype for putting together a few good games, but hasn't shown himself to be the runaway winner of the award. That goes to KD.

[pauk]

BUMP:

Latest "NBA.com RACE TO MVP" results... Lebron reclaims back his #1 spot which he had most of the season, which he losed only one time to Durant for 2 weeks...

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2011-12/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

"After a temporary dip into the realm of the regular NBA player, James rebounded quite nicely the past three games -- 32.7 points, 5.7 rebounds, 4.7 assists and .554 FG shooting -- to reclaim the top spot from Kevin Durant. (Durant snatched the top spot by outplaying James head-to-head and James snatched it right back by doing the same thing.) He followed up a 41-point, 6-rebound, 4-assist, 3-steal effort in a win over the 76ers with a 34-point, 10-assist, 7-rebound, 4-steal statement against Durant's Thunder. Harassing Durant into nine turnovers during that game also highlighted the all-court ability James possesses that no other player in the league can match."


let the hater comments roll! :cheers:

[Faptastrophe]

It was honestly pretty silly that he ever lost the number one spot.

[Droid101]

Have people already forgot the Heat lost by 20 to the Thunder like a week ago?



The Heat were supposed to win this game.
Exactly.

Thunder at home, Heat blown out by 20.

Heat at home, close win.

Why does anyone think the Heat would win in a series?

[TheJuice31]

Exactly.

Thunder at home, Heat blown out by 20.

Heat at home, close win.

Why does anyone think the Heat would win in a series?

Because what happens during the regular season means absolutely nothing. You really think judging the nature of the final scores during two regular-season matchups is an honest assessment of a playoff series? By that logic, the Bulls should have swept Miami last year in the ECF, just like they did in the regular season.

[2swift4u]

I think Kevin Durant deserves this year's MVP more than LeBron.

I'm not sure. I think Durant has the better supporting cast. Westbrook has been playing better than Wade and the rest of the Thunder team is probably better as well. So I'd say Lebron has had to do more to make his team win. He defends, rebounds, passes and scores... also he gets hacked a lot an was banged up at times... but obviously it's close. both are great players but also have flaws. Both guys would deserve it!

[Faptastrophe]

There are a number of reasons why people want to give it to KD over LeBron but none of those reasons seem to be based on who is the better or more valuable player this season. Because, even as good as KD is, that's not very debatable right now.

[Heavincent]

There are a number of reasons why people want to give it to KD over LeBron but none of those reasons seem to be based on who is the better or more valuable player this season. Because, even as good as KD is, that's not very debatable right now.

Laughable at best. I consider Durant to be a better player.

[Faptastrophe]

Laughable at best. I consider Durant to be a better player.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[TeamLAC]

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
:confusedshrug:

Anyway... people will never realize that opinions are NOT facts. :facepalm

[Heavincent]

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Uh yeah, obviously.

[LakersReign]

:confusedshrug:

Anyway... people will never realize that opinions are NOT facts. :facepalm

Fake Heat fans aka Lebronytes need to understand that.

[Faptastrophe]

:confusedshrug:

Anyway... people will never realize that opinions are NOT facts. :facepalm
That's just a quote from The Big Lebowski. It sucks that people don't recognize it anymore.
And.. what? I said that it's his opinion .. not a fact. :) We can all speculate whether KD or Lebron will win the MVP this year.. but it's not like we have any saying in it.

[SpecialQue]

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Repped.

[Stern]

Do Ric Puker and Skip Bayless get to vote on it as well?

[pauk]

Laughable at best. I consider Durant to be a better player.

Did you just say "Laughable at best" and then call a guy who does NOTHING any noticeably better this year than Lebron (except hit higher % of freethrows)?

Thats your opinion i guess... but in reality, opinions are just farts in the sky... they are meaningless... but facts are facts.... and i know you aint stupid, i know you know facts, i know you KNOW who is better...... deep down inside you know the truth.... but just dont want to admit it because you always hated Lebron and will never find it in your heart to GROW THE **** UP and stop disrespecting the game of basketball....

[rodman91]

Durant has 44 points so far.

[Faptastrophe]

This is a nice read if somebody hasn't seen it yet..

http://i.imgur.com/5Fx9A.png

[PTB Fan]

LeBron's better. No doubt about that.

[Heavincent]

This is a nice read if somebody hasn't seen it yet..

http://i.imgur.com/5Fx9A.png

Hollinger is a complete moron. I don't take anything he says seriously.

[PJR]

Hollinger's basketball opinion is certainly more credible than yours, that's for damn sure.

[Nick Young]

Since when did Lebron become an all-world defender?:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

His defense is the most overhyped thing in basketball at the moment. He is not even top 5 defender at his position:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Heavincent]

Hollinger's basketball opinion is certainly more credible than yours, that's for damn sure.

His basketball opinion isn't any more credible than my dog's basketball opinion.

[Faptastrophe]

Cry me a river Kobe stans. http://i.imgur.com/3iBsd.png

Hollinger nails it more times than he doesn't. Anyone who thinks Lebron shouldn't be the Most Valuable Player is either biased or misinformed.
He's ****ing killing it. Don't let bullshit get in the way of historic basketball.

[PJR]

It's hilarious to see these Kobrick stans go to such wild extremes to detract from LeBron. Posting shit they themselves don't even believe. :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

Hollinger nails it more times than he doesn't. Anyone who thinks Lebron shouldn't be the Most Valuable Player is either biased or misinformed.
He's ****ing killing it. Don't let bullshit get in the way of historic basketball.

Laughable at best :oldlol:

[PTB Fan]

It's hilarious to see these Kobrick stans go to such wild extremes to detract from LeBron. Posting shit they themselves don't even believe. :oldlol:

:lol

[Bigsmoke]

MVP and FInals MVP

EPIC!!

[Faptastrophe]

Laughable at best. I consider Durant to be a better player.


Laughable at best :oldlol:
You sure know a variety of good comebacks. http://i.imgur.com/seRm9.png

[derb2k2]

ahah I love these Laker kids coming into every Bron thread to demean him. Lebron is the best player in the league and these kids can't handle that. They are leaning on DUrant now since KObe ain't worth a spit ahah:lebron:

[sbw19]

LeBron winning 3rd MVP + FMVP = upper echelon talk revival
LeBron winning 3rd MVP + Title = Great season, monkey off back
LeBron winning 3rd MVP - Title = 1st ever with 3MVPs & no rings. Recipe for disaster.
LeBron winning FMVP + Title = 2nd best scenario possible, MUCH better for legacy than MVP minus ring
LeBron winning Title, no MVP, no FMVP = good but not great

[Kingwillball]

Since when did Lebron become an all-world defender?:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

His defense is the most overhyped thing in basketball at the moment. He is not even top 5 defender at his position:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


That Statement deserves a :facepalm

[LakersReign]

Since when did Lebron become an all-world defender?:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

His defense is the most overhyped thing in basketball at the moment. He is not even top 5 defender at his position:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Lebron's so called defense is as overhyped as Shane Battier's and :lol @fake Heat fans aka Lebronytes SWEARING by John "PER" Hollinger. Real big surprise there:roll:

[Kingwillball]

IMO Lebron should win MVP but wont be shocked to see Durant take it.. However the HEat as a Team have laid too many eggs(Happy Easter) this year and if they sputter down the stretch wouldnt be shocked to see Lebron not get MVP.. IMO he still needs a couple more big time games especially against Bulls.

[Faptastrophe]

Lebron's so called defense is as overhyped as Shane Battier's and :lol @fake Heat fans aka Lebronytes SWEARING by John "PER" Hollinger. Real big surprise there:roll:
:kobe:

http://youtu.be/GiUEKiMlT7U

http://youtu.be/x4aDM5d27_w


Yeah, you mad.

[LakersReign]

:kobe:

http://youtu.be/x4aDM5d27_w

http://youtu.be/GiUEKiMlT7U

Yeah, you mad.

So....according to you(faptastrophe), even though it has absolutely nothing to do with me. I'm somehow supposed to be mad that fake Heat fans aka Lebronytes have nothing to say but PER....PER....PER....PER even though Hollinger HIMSELF said PER is a FLAWED formula?:hammerhead:



Good luck with that:sleeping

[Faptastrophe]

So....according to you(faptastrophe), even though it has absolutely nothing to do with me. I'm somehow supposed to be mad that fake Heat fans aka Lebronytes have nothing to say but PER....PER....PER....PER even though Hollinger HIMSELF said PER is a FLAWED formula?:hammerhead:



Good luck with that:sleeping
I knew you were going to be this stupid.. I even bolded the part of your comment that I was responding to, but still you managed to make a fool of yourself again. :oldlol: :oldlol: :lol

[LakersReign]

Notice how he has nothing to say about his boy Hollinger's ADMITTEDLY flawed PER formula:roll:

The truth really does hurt....doesn't it?:lol

[Inactive]

Notice how he has nothing to say about his boy Hollinger's ADMITTEDLY flawed PER formula:roll:

The truth really does hurt....doesn't it?:lolWhy would anyone be talking about PER? The guy you're quoting was talking about defense. 80% of the article had nothing to do with PER.

[LakersReign]

Why would anyone be talking about PER? The guy you're quoting was talking about defense. 80% of the article had nothing to do with PER.

Please.:rolleyes:

First of all, Hollinger was the one who invented PER, a USELESS stat that Lebronytes swear by cuz it ranks Lebron near Jordan. He even PUBLICLY admitted to his formula being flawed, and shouldn't be taken as an absolute, which Lebronytes ignore to the fullest degree. Therefore, second, anything he writes has a bias toward Lebron, added to that he works for ESPN, who sold us "king james" for 7 years. And who ALWAYS predicts a team with Lebron on it to win MVP AND a title the same year. Third, during the article he referred to PER twice cuz he couldn't help himself, again, bias talking. Fourth, he claims that MVP voters shouldn't hold Lebron's 2 week slump against him. He even goes so far as to suggest that Lebron supposedly has a concussion, even though nothing was ever said about anything like that. Again, bias talking. If you're not gonna hold Lebron's slumps against him, then that goes for Rose as well as KD.:banghead:

Bottom line: John "PER" Hollinger, who works for ESPN, talking about defense in regards to Lebron being MVP is as credible as Rush Limbaugh talking about the Republican party:no:

[PJR]

Why would anyone be talking about PER? The guy you're quoting was talking about defense. 80% of the article had nothing to do with PER.

Lakersreign is too much of a moron to realize this. :oldlol:

[Simple Jack]

You can take the guys word, on saying PER isn't an absolute, but then go on to say it's useless? That's not how logic works.

[Lebron23]

He outplayed Durant in their 2nd head to head match up.

[Lebron23]

Lakersreign is too much of a moron to realize this. :oldlol:


Put him on your ignore list. He's 110% mentally retarded.

[rodman91]

His basketball opinion isn't any more credible than my dog's basketball opinion.

This. He rated '04 Billups at 17 while '95 Hakeem at 31 in best of finals performances

Billups : 21 ppg 3.2 rpg 5.2 apg
Hakeem: 32.8 ppg 11.5 rpg 5.5 apg

He rates Nowitzki at 33, '05 Tim Duncan at 44, Shaq isn't even in first 7 performances.

Even trolls don't go that far.

[Inactive]

Please.:rolleyes:

First of all, Hollinger was the one who invented PER, a USELESS stat that Lebronytes swear by cuz it ranks Lebron near Jordan. He even PUBLICLY admitted to his formula being flawed, and shouldn't be taken as an absolute, which Lebronytes ignore to the fullest degree. Do you even understand what PER is? It shouldn't be taken as an absolute, but it's not meaningless. It's an estimate of a player's per minute, pace adjusted statistical performance, in one number. It gives you a more accurate sense of a player's production, than just glancing at his stat line, but it's very imperfect, and obviously not as good as a more in depth, intelligent analysis of a player. If you think it unjustly favors some players, I'd like to see your suggestions on how the formula should be tweaked, to improve it's accuracy.


Therefore, second, anything he writes has a bias toward Lebron, added to that he works for ESPN, who sold us "king james" for 7 years. And who ALWAYS predicts a team with Lebron on it to win MVP AND a title the same year. Third, during the article he referred to PER twice cuz he couldn't help himself, again, bias talking. ...


Fourth, he claims that MVP voters shouldn't hold Lebron's 2 week slump against him. He even goes so far as to suggest that Lebron supposedly has a concussion, even though nothing was ever said about anything like that. Again, bias talking. If you're not gonna hold Lebron's slumps against him, then that goes for Rose as well as KD.:banghead: I don't think he's saying that Lebron's slump shouldn't be taken into account. I think he's saying that the season should be taken as a whole. I.E if Lebron stays in the slump, and his numbers drop significantly, then Durant is MVP. If Lebron's numbers are better throughout the season as a whole, but Durant is better at the end, Lebron shouldn't be punished, for playing bad at that particular time. Whether Lebron had a concussion, or not, he did have a head injury of some kind, and speculating that it may have contributed to his slump does not require any bias. When a player gets hurt, and plays worse, it's common sense to take note of the correlation, and wonder if it was the cause.


Bottom line: John "PER" Hollinger, who works for ESPN, talking about defense in regards to Lebron being MVP is as credible as Rush Limbaugh talking about the Republican party:no:Why not respond to what he says, instead of just crying "PER PER BIAS" every time you hear his name? Here are the main subjects of the article, and my brief thoughts on them.


Do national T.V games count for more than any other game?

I don't think so. You could argue that the players feel more pressure, so it's a better gauge of their actual ability than a random game, but there isn't really any more at stake. I'd need to see data supporting a correlation between performances in big national t.v games, and the playoffs, before I would believe it. Either way, that's not really relevant to the regular season, so it should still be taken as just another game, in regards to the MVP race.

Is this award for the 2012 regular season? If so, why should past performances, or speculation about future performances be taken into consideration?

I agree with Hollinger here.

Should storyline/likability factor into MVP picks?

No. That has nothing to do with basketball. Being popular might make you more valuable to the NBA($$), but it doesn't make you any more valuable to your coaches, and teammates.


Does defense matter? If so, how does Lebron compare to his rivals defensively?


I don't agree with his argument for Lebron's defensive superiority. You can use numbers to spin it either way. I do agree with his conclusion, but it's just my opinion from watching games, and I haven't researched enough to fully support it. It's a debatable topic.

Is Lebron having a historically great season, based on statistical production?

Lebron is having a great season, if measured by individual production. Not really debatable. I'm not going to bother convincing anyone, because I don't think anyone seriously disagrees.

What are your opinions?

[iDefend5]

He outplayed Durant in their 2nd head to head match up.
and Durant outplayed him in the first. 1-1 split.

[LakersReign]

Do you even understand what PER is? It shouldn't be taken as an absolute, but it's not meaningless. It's an estimate of a player's per minute, pace adjusted statistical performance, in one number. It gives you a more accurate sense of a player's production, than just glancing at his stat line, but it's very imperfect, and obviously not as good as a more in depth, intelligent analysis of a player. If you think it unjustly favors some players, I'd like to see your suggestions on how the formula should be tweaked, to improve it's accuracy.

Lebron is having a great season, if measured by individual production. Not really debatable. I'm not going to bother convincing anyone, because I don't think anyone seriously disagrees.

What are your opinions?

Right:rolleyes:

Hollinger shows his bias for Lebron by inventing excuses for him when he has subpar performances, just like his fans do. Nobody said anything about Lebron supposedly having a concussion. But here he goes, making an excuse for Lebron's slumping in the last 2 weeks. How does he knows that was the reason. Or better yet, why doesn't he just say flat out, Lebron has underperformed for the last 2 weeks? Then he follows that up by saying it shouldn't be held against him. Nevermind the fact that he doesn't apply that to KD as well. So...according to Hollinger, we must "write off" Lebron underperforming for the past 2 weeks to some UNKNOWN cause, and still not hold it against him? Which part of that makes any logical sense at all? The entire article wreaks of Lebron bias, so deny it all you want.



Try again:no:

[jrong]

IMO Lebron should win MVP but wont be shocked to see Durant take it.. However the HEat as a Team have laid too many eggs(Happy Easter) this year and if they sputter down the stretch wouldnt be shocked to see Lebron not get MVP.. IMO he still needs a couple more big time games especially against Bulls.

Durant is choking too. For almost the whole March, James held the MVP door wide open for him, but he's refused to walk through.

Nevertheless, despite the fact that he causes media LeBrongasms whenever he plays well which manages to memory-wipe journalists' brains of times when he doesn't play well, James by no means should have this sewn up. He had outstanding games against the Sixers and Thunder, but the larger trend is that he's not playing that great right now. Sandwiched around his two monster outings was a below average game against the Grizzlies and about 5-7 below average games before that.

But, Durant needs to be aware that the reality is always "the tie goes to LeBron." He can't just be comparable. He has to be clearly better, and right now he's just comparable. The Heat are a #2 seed , but now so are the Thunder. The teams split the season-series, and Durant played two great games while James had one great one and one poor one, but that won't matter. Remember, when it comes to the press, a tie ALWAYS goes to LeBron.

Durant needs to get the Thunder the #1 seed or catch Kobe for the scoring title-- both if he can. Right now, he's the #2 scorer, but James is #3. He's a much better perimeter shooter, but James has the all-around game (not to mention the incessant media hype about that game).

Durant has to separate himself. So far, he hasn't. If he doesn't put some distance between himself and James, then LBJ will go home with the trophy by default.

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron is not the MVP.

Well I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't get a 3rd MVP until you show you
can win a title. The two guys that won there 3rd MVP before getting a title
(actually won the title that year) was Wilt in 1967 and Moses in 1983, but then again they were at least 7-8 games ahead of everyone else and had the best stats in the league that you really couldn't deny them.

[PJR]

Lebron is not the MVP.

Well I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't get a 3rd MVP until you show you
can win a title. The two guys that won there 3rd MVP before getting a title
(actually won the title that year) was Wilt in 1967 and Moses in 1983, but then again they were at least 7-8 games ahead of everyone else and had the best stats in the league that you really couldn't deny them.

Sorry, but this is some stupid rationale. The MVP is a regular season award, and the postseason has no bearing on it whatsoever.

[Deuce Bigalow]

This. He rated '04 Billups at 17 while '95 Hakeem at 31 in best of finals performances

Billups : 21 ppg 3.2 rpg 5.2 apg
Hakeem: 32.8 ppg 11.5 rpg 5.5 apg

He rates Nowitzki at 33, '05 Tim Duncan at 44, Shaq isn't even in first 7 performances.

Even trolls don't go that far.
Hollinger's list in order by PER

1. Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 - 33.8
2. Tim Duncan SA 2003 - 32.0
3. Michael Jordan Chi 1991 - 31.5
4. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2002 - 31.4
5. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2000 - 31.1
6. Michael Jordan Chi 1998 - - 30.8
7. Tim Duncan SA 1999 - 30.7
8. Dwyane Wade Mia 2011 - 30.2
9. Michael Jordan Chi 1997 - 29.5
10. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2001 - 29.4
11. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 1992 - 29.2
12. KOBE BRYANT, LOS ANGELES, 2009 - 28.3
13. Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers, 1987 - 28.2
14. MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO, 1993 - 27.6
15. MAGIC JOHNSON, LOS ANGELES, 1988 - 27.5
16. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, L.A. LAKERS, 1980 - 27.3
17. Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston, 1994 - 27.1
ISIAH THOMAS, DETROIT, 1990 - 27.1
CHAUNCEY BILLUPS, DETROIT, 2004 - 27.1
20. KARL MALONE, UTAH, 1998 - 26.8
21. KOBE BRYANT, L.A. LAKERS, 2010 - 26.3
DAVID ROBINSON, SAN ANTONIO, 1999 - 26.3
23. CLYDE DREXLER, PORTLAND, 1990 - 26.0
MOSES MALONE, PHILADELPHIA, 1983 - 26.0
TONY PARKER, SAN ANTONIO, 2007 - 26.0
JOE DUMARS, DETROIT, 1989 - 26.0
27. SHAWN KEMP, SEATTLE, 1996 - 25.8
28. SHAQUILLE O'NEAL, L.A. LAKERS, 2004 - 25.7
29. PAU GASOL, LOS ANGELES, 2010 - 25.5
30. TIM DUNCAN, SAN ANTONIO, 2007 - 25.2
31. JULIUS ERVING, PHILADELPHIA, 1977 - 24.4
32. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, L.A. LAKERS, 1985 - 23.8
33. CHAUNCEY BILLUPS, DETROIT, 2005 - 23.7
MOSES MALONE, HOUSTON, 1981 - 23.5
35. MAGIC JOHNSON, L.A. LAKERS, 1980 - 23.3
BILL WALTON, PORTLAND, 1977 - 23.3
LATRELL SPREWELL, NEW YORK, 1999 - 23.3
38. MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO, 1996 - 23.1
39. LARRY BIRD, BOSTON, 1984 - 23.0
CHARLES BARKELY, PHOENIX, 1993 - 22.5
41. LARRY BIRD, BOSTON, 1986 - 22.4
42. HAKEEM OLAJUWON, HOUSTON, 1995 - 22.2
43. TIM DUNCAN, SAN ANTONIO, 2005 - 21.8
44. SCOTTIE PIPPEN, CHICAGO, 1992 - 21.5
45. JULIUS ERVING, PHILADELPHIA, 1980 - 21.4
46. HAKEEM OLAJUWON, HOUSTON, 1986 - 21.2
47. ISIAH THOMAS, DETROIT, 1988 - 20.5
48. CEDRIC MAXWELL, BOSTON, 1981 - 20.4
49. DIRK NOWITZKI, DALLAS, 2011 - 20.1
50. BEN WALLACE, DETROIT, 2004 - 16.5

[LoneyROY7]

Hollinger's list in order by PER

1. Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 - 33.8
2. Tim Duncan SA 2003 - 32.0
3. Michael Jordan Chi 1991 - 31.5
4. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2002 - 31.4
5. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2000 - 31.1
6. Michael Jordan Chi 1998 - - 30.8
7. Tim Duncan SA 1999 - 30.7
8. Dwyane Wade Mia 2011 - 30.2
9. Michael Jordan Chi 1997 - 29.5
10. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2001 - 29.4
11. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 1992 - 29.2
12. KOBE BRYANT, LOS ANGELES, 2009 - 28.3
13. Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers, 1987 - 28.2
14. MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO, 1993 - 27.6
15. MAGIC JOHNSON, LOS ANGELES, 1988 - 27.5
16. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, L.A. LAKERS, 1980 - 27.3
17. Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston, 1994 - 27.1
ISIAH THOMAS, DETROIT, 1990 - 27.1
CHAUNCEY BILLUPS, DETROIT, 2004 - 27.1
20. KARL MALONE, UTAH, 1998 - 26.8
21. KOBE BRYANT, L.A. LAKERS, 2010 - 26.3
DAVID ROBINSON, SAN ANTONIO, 1999 - 26.3
23. CLYDE DREXLER, PORTLAND, 1990 - 26.0
MOSES MALONE, PHILADELPHIA, 1983 - 26.0
TONY PARKER, SAN ANTONIO, 2007 - 26.0
JOE DUMARS, DETROIT, 1989 - 26.0
27. SHAWN KEMP, SEATTLE, 1996 - 25.8
28. SHAQUILLE O'NEAL, L.A. LAKERS, 2004 - 25.7
29. PAU GASOL, LOS ANGELES, 2010 - 25.5
30. TIM DUNCAN, SAN ANTONIO, 2007 - 25.2
31. JULIUS ERVING, PHILADELPHIA, 1977 - 24.4
32. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, L.A. LAKERS, 1985 - 23.8
33. CHAUNCEY BILLUPS, DETROIT, 2005 - 23.7
MOSES MALONE, HOUSTON, 1981 - 23.5
35. MAGIC JOHNSON, L.A. LAKERS, 1980 - 23.3
BILL WALTON, PORTLAND, 1977 - 23.3
LATRELL SPREWELL, NEW YORK, 1999 - 23.3
38. MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO, 1996 - 23.1
39. LARRY BIRD, BOSTON, 1984 - 23.0
CHARLES BARKELY, PHOENIX, 1993 - 22.5
41. LARRY BIRD, BOSTON, 1986 - 22.4
42. HAKEEM OLAJUWON, HOUSTON, 1995 - 22.2
43. TIM DUNCAN, SAN ANTONIO, 2005 - 21.8
44. SCOTTIE PIPPEN, CHICAGO, 1992 - 21.5
45. JULIUS ERVING, PHILADELPHIA, 1980 - 21.4
46. HAKEEM OLAJUWON, HOUSTON, 1986 - 21.2
47. ISIAH THOMAS, DETROIT, 1988 - 20.5
48. CEDRIC MAXWELL, BOSTON, 1981 - 20.4
49. DIRK NOWITZKI, DALLAS, 2011 - 20.1
50. BEN WALLACE, DETROIT, 2004 - 16.5

Wade. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[rodman91]

Hollinger's list in order by PER

1. Dwyane Wade Mia 2006 - 33.8
2. Tim Duncan SA 2003 - 32.0
3. Michael Jordan Chi 1991 - 31.5
4. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2002 - 31.4
5. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2000 - 31.1
6. Michael Jordan Chi 1998 - - 30.8
7. Tim Duncan SA 1999 - 30.7
8. Dwyane Wade Mia 2011 - 30.2
9. Michael Jordan Chi 1997 - 29.5
10. Shaquille O'Neal LAL 2001 - 29.4
11. Michael Jordan, Chicago, 1992 - 29.2
12. KOBE BRYANT, LOS ANGELES, 2009 - 28.3
13. Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers, 1987 - 28.2
14. MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO, 1993 - 27.6
15. MAGIC JOHNSON, LOS ANGELES, 1988 - 27.5
16. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, L.A. LAKERS, 1980 - 27.3
17. Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston, 1994 - 27.1
ISIAH THOMAS, DETROIT, 1990 - 27.1
CHAUNCEY BILLUPS, DETROIT, 2004 - 27.1
20. KARL MALONE, UTAH, 1998 - 26.8
21. KOBE BRYANT, L.A. LAKERS, 2010 - 26.3
DAVID ROBINSON, SAN ANTONIO, 1999 - 26.3
23. CLYDE DREXLER, PORTLAND, 1990 - 26.0
MOSES MALONE, PHILADELPHIA, 1983 - 26.0
TONY PARKER, SAN ANTONIO, 2007 - 26.0
JOE DUMARS, DETROIT, 1989 - 26.0
27. SHAWN KEMP, SEATTLE, 1996 - 25.8
28. SHAQUILLE O'NEAL, L.A. LAKERS, 2004 - 25.7
29. PAU GASOL, LOS ANGELES, 2010 - 25.5
30. TIM DUNCAN, SAN ANTONIO, 2007 - 25.2
31. JULIUS ERVING, PHILADELPHIA, 1977 - 24.4
32. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, L.A. LAKERS, 1985 - 23.8
33. CHAUNCEY BILLUPS, DETROIT, 2005 - 23.7
MOSES MALONE, HOUSTON, 1981 - 23.5
35. MAGIC JOHNSON, L.A. LAKERS, 1980 - 23.3
BILL WALTON, PORTLAND, 1977 - 23.3
LATRELL SPREWELL, NEW YORK, 1999 - 23.3
38. MICHAEL JORDAN, CHICAGO, 1996 - 23.1
39. LARRY BIRD, BOSTON, 1984 - 23.0
CHARLES BARKELY, PHOENIX, 1993 - 22.5
41. LARRY BIRD, BOSTON, 1986 - 22.4
42. HAKEEM OLAJUWON, HOUSTON, 1995 - 22.2
43. TIM DUNCAN, SAN ANTONIO, 2005 - 21.8
44. SCOTTIE PIPPEN, CHICAGO, 1992 - 21.5
45. JULIUS ERVING, PHILADELPHIA, 1980 - 21.4
46. HAKEEM OLAJUWON, HOUSTON, 1986 - 21.2
47. ISIAH THOMAS, DETROIT, 1988 - 20.5
48. CEDRIC MAXWELL, BOSTON, 1981 - 20.4
49. DIRK NOWITZKI, DALLAS, 2011 - 20.1
50. BEN WALLACE, DETROIT, 2004 - 16.5

By PER this, by his choices it's even worse. This list just good argument for why PER sucks.