Stan Van Gundy confirms Dwight Howard asked Magic to fire him

[niko]

RT @Ian_OConnor: Stan VanGundy at shootaround this AM: Management told me story is true that Howard asked for him to be fired (WOWZA)

His exact quote "Yes, i am aware Dwight asked for me to be fired."

Yah, for the story breaking before Knick game. Orlando should be a huge mess.

Story: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9617

[Clutch]

DRAMA IN ORLANDO

From Frank Isola ‏ @FisolaNYDN

Stan Van Gundy says it "looks good" for Dwight Howard playing vs. Knicks. Jameer Nelson is game time. Ryan Anderson is out

Stan agrees that teams don't want to face Knicks in playoffs because Carmelo "scares the hell out of you."

Wow. Stan says he knows Dwight Howard asked him to be fired

Now that all the cards are on the table, I'm wondering if Stan is coaching tonight. He just outed the clown prince of the NBA

Dwight's goal was to get Stan Van Gundy fired but not have blood on his hands. Too late brother

Dwight Howard, moments after putting his arm around Stan, denies he wants him fired. Wow, crazy times in Orlando

Dwight now denying he asked for Stan to be fired. Asked reporters to give up their source. Hey genius, the source is Stan

Oh Dwight, you've been outed by your coach. And in the moment of truth, you neither cracked jokes or were honest.

I think there is a 70 percent chance that Patrick Ewing makes his coaching debut tonight. Unless Dwight undermines him first

[SpecialQue]

Man. I'd love to hear what goes on in that locker room. It has to be more awkward than an episode of The Office.

[Mr. Incredible]

Lol. Dwight will never win a championship as "The Man"

[bmulls]

DRAMA IN ORLANDO

From Frank Isola ‏ @FisolaNYDN

Damn! I thought they were all hugs and rainbows in Orlando since Dwight decided to stay. Guess not.

[Clutch]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA
Source close to Van Gundy: "I think Stan's been tired of having to talk around it when asked about it...tired of going along with a lie."

[bagelred]

If there was ever time for a "Shit Just Got Real" meme, this is it.

[It's A VC3!!!]

It's sad it's gotten to this. Everything Dwight says ends up being leaked somehow and now the coach knows he will eventually be fired. But I think SVG could care less because he is still getting paid his 9 million or whatever dollars Otis owes him. I think the Magic need more then just a new coach to make them a contender.:lol

[Clutch]

If there was ever time for a "Shit Just Got Real" meme, this is it.
http://i.imgur.com/eSX5q.gif

[Stern]

Master of Panic

[Flagrant 2]

It would be pretty funny if SVG was fired and JVG was hired. :lol

[SpecialQue]

It would be pretty funny if SVG was fired and JVG was hired. :lol

Dear god, please let this happen.

[Miserio]

Am I the only one who thinks SVG is a good coach?

[airchibundo507]

Stan agrees that teams don't want to face Knicks in playoffs because Carmelo "scares the hell out of you."

:pimp: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bxv_jA-fPPM/Tbj3so9hYuI/AAAAAAAALhg/Z8TMWHX-IFo/s400/carmelodatazz-gif-1.png

[chazzy]

And then Dwight went up to him and hugged him, not knowing he just confirmed the rumors :oldlol:

[hawksdogsbraves]

Classy move by SVG.... He should've kept his mouth shut. This will hurt him as he looks for a new job.

He's done a pretty crappy job as a coach anyway, he deserved to be fired whether Dwight asked for it or not. It's unfair to pin this on Dwight anyway, if he's going to stay then obviously he's going to want to shake things up, because they clearly aren't working.

This seems like it will be a suitably awkward and angry ending for the angry little coach.

[bagelred]

Am I the only one who thinks SVG is a good coach?

He's a great coach.

[Brickz187]

Magic should have got rid of Dwight when they had the chance.

[alenleomessi]

Here hoping Clippers lose tonight against the Kings :lol

[Kingwillball]

Howard should of Left and I think he already regrets not leaving when he could of so he is going to create a Mess and a Way out..I would not be shocked to see him traded before next season or at the latest by the next trade deadline..

[Kingwillball]

Van GUndy to the Knicks?? a little too close to the Dantoni system for my Liking

[305Baller]

What kind of franchise are the Magic running?

:roll:

[Droid101]

Van GUndy to the Knicks?? a little too close to the Dantoni system for my Liking
You mean the system they are currently running, right now under Woodson?

[Godzuki]

i wouldve sworn i read today how Dwight didn't say that to management....

[Whoah10115]

I remember reading his quote yesterday and seeing how clear it was that Dwight Howard is A) Stupid and B) Less of a cool guy than I thought.





And I've lost much respect...SVG has balls tho. What an ass. Appreciated. And yea, he is a great coach...unless you wanna say otherwise just to show you don't know shit.

[niko]

i wouldve sworn i read today how Dwight didn't say that to management....
yep, he made a big deal of it yesterday which makes him look like a big tool.

[bagelred]

Damn, I can't miss a minute of this......

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/d/1d72d_ORIG-Popcorn_11_Eddie_Griffin.gif

[insidehoops]

Orlando Sentinel article on it: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9617

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Man, Dwight's an ass. He gets paid shitloads of $$ to be an ass in a great state and pays no income tax. What a douche.

[Punpun]

Oh come on. D12 doesn't care about that. D12 spends all his time training his body to be in top condition.

Now, people are roasting him for staying in Orlando when he actually never spoke to the media or anything. It was the media who overbloew everything. Like reporting every rumors out there.

It's a bitch move from the media. Not from D12 wh actually is opting out, thus making haters shutting up.

The guy is now ruining his prime in a team who would not even make the playoff in the East was it not for him.

[qrich]

I'll take SVG over Del Negro

[Whoah10115]

You don't ask for your coach to be fired, not the way Dwight has been acting.




Praying and playing video games. This is incredible.

[Pursuer]

Am I the only one who thinks SVG is a good coach?

Absolutely not.

[Punpun]

Seriously, this is very unfair to D12. D12 denied it. That's all there is to it. D12 has been made the scapegoat of everything that happened in Orlando. When it's the GM and medias fault.

[Pursuer]

Seriously, this is very unfair to D12. D12 denied it. That's all there is to it. D12 has been made the scapegoat of everything that happened in Orlando. When it's the GM and medias fault.

Really?

What did the GM do?

[Clutch]

I'll take SVG over Del Negro
SVG can actually coach.

[tazb]

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[hawksdogsbraves]

Oh come on. D12 doesn't care about that. D12 spends all his time training his body to be in top condition.

Now, people are roasting him for staying in Orlando when he actually never spoke to the media or anything. It was the media who overbloew everything. Like reporting every rumors out there.

It's a bitch move from the media. Not from D12 wh actually is opting out, thus making haters shutting up.

The guy is now ruining his prime in a team who would not even make the playoff in the East was it not for him.

I totally agree. This is all info. that's been leaked to the media, some of which by SVG himself! The Magic, awfully run franchise that they are, have done a horrible job of keeping this mess in house, just like they did a horrible job of building a team around Dwight.

SVG and his three point chucking philosophy need to go, I'm not sure how anyone can say he's a 'great' coach, one of you will have to explain that to me rather than just saying 'if you don't think he's good then you don't know shit about basketball' because I'm pretty sure that's the extent of what you're going to do.

[boozehound]

He's a great coach.
hes definitely a solid coach.

[qrich]

SVG can actually coach.

That's my point?

[Clutch]

That's my point?
Yeah,I agreed with you.

[insidehoops]

Watch this video immediately:

http://www.nba.com/magic/video/2012/04/05/040512svghowardfiredreportsm4v-2057675

[PickernRoller]

Van Gundy is long overdue.....care little about his sorry @ss.

[SpecialQue]

Here hoping Clippers lose tonight against the Kings :lol

I don't get it.

[chazzy]

Watch this video immediately:

http://www.nba.com/magic/video/2012/04/05/040512svghowardfiredreportsm4v-2057675
:oldlol: Awkward

[SpecialQue]

Watch this video immediately:

http://www.nba.com/magic/video/2012/04/05/040512svghowardfiredreportsm4v-2057675

I stand corrected...that's worse than an episode of The Office. I actually cringed when Dwight put his arm around Stan.

[Punpun]

Really?

What did the GM do?


Otis is incompetent. Remember Shaq ? It's fiasco after fiasco. I'd rather blame them than D12. The guy who is actually opting out.

[bagelred]

I stand corrected...that's worse than an episode of The Office. I actually cringed when Dwight put his arm around Stan.

It was awkward. Dwight put his arm around Stan and Jim looked straight into the camera.

[Whoah10115]

That video is ridiculous lol.



I don't care if he asked for him to be fired. You have to be an adult and realize what's going on out there and do your best to have your coach's back, at least in public.



SVG is hilarious.

[bagelred]

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[chocolatethunder]

Classy move by SVG.... He should've kept his mouth shut. This will hurt him as he looks for a new job.

He's done a pretty crappy job as a coach anyway, he deserved to be fired whether Dwight asked for it or not. It's unfair to pin this on Dwight anyway, if he's going to stay then obviously he's going to want to shake things up, because they clearly aren't working.

This seems like it will be a suitably awkward and angry ending for the angry little coach.
You need to step back from this a get a little perspective. SVG is a good coach and has done a fine job with what he's had. Otis Smith shackled the franchise w a bum like Lewis (who btw Dwight wanted) then gave him another bum in Arenas (who Dwight also wanted). In addition, Howard airing all his dirty laundry and acting like a spoiled brat has totally alienated his teammates and now he's reaping what he's sown. This dude is a fraud and will never be a go to guy. If he wants to be the man he needs to act like a man. He has acted like a spoiled 15 year old girl.

[Punpun]

In addition, Howard airing all his dirty laundry and acting like a spoiled brat has totally alienated his teammates and now he's reaping what he's sown. This dude is a fraud and will never be a go to guy. If he wants to be the man he needs to act like a man. He has acted like a spoiled 15 year old girl.

Actually that's untrue. All there ever was were rumors etc. Nothing directly from D12.

[Bigsmoke]

:durantunimpressed:

[DKLaker]

The Lakers can offer Mike Brown and a 2nd round pick for SVG :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SpecialQue]

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Please don't ever post this again. I cringed just looking at that picture.

[SpecialQue]

The Lakers can offer Mike Brown and a 2nd round pick for SVG :oldlol: :oldlol:

Get it done, Mitch!

[hawksdogsbraves]

You need to step back from this a get a little perspective. SVG is a good coach and has done a fine job with what he's had. Otis Smith shackled the franchise w a bum like Lewis (who btw Dwight wanted) then gave him another bum in Arenas (who Dwight also wanted). In addition, Howard airing all his dirty laundry and acting like a spoiled brat has totally alienated his teammates and now he's reaping what he's sown. This dude is a fraud and will never be a go to guy. If he wants to be the man he needs to act like a man. He has acted like a spoiled 15 year old girl.

You're blaming Dwight for the Magic signing Lewis and Arenas? Give me a break. This latest drama didn't come from Dwight's mouth, it got leaked BY SVG. Dwight is rightfully sick of having his career dragged down by a franchise that is utterly incompetent from top to bottom, and yeah part of that is his loudmouth coach who isn't getting him enough shots.

The stuff you're saying is downright false.

[Scholar]

If the Magic fire Stan Van Gundy, they're morons. D12 might not even remain in a few years, but SVG most definitely would have. Good luck replacing SVG with a better coach.

Unless Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan come out of retirement and sign with the Magic, you've got very few choices of coaches as good as SVG. I guess they can give Mike D'Antoni a try, right?

[KRAYZIE]

Orlando Sentinel article on it: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9617
-Points out Orlando Sentinel article.
-Redirects us to own site.

This guy...:kobe::kobe:

[chocolatethunder]

You're blaming Dwight for the Magic signing Lewis and Arenas? Give me a break. This latest drama didn't come from Dwight's mouth, it got leaked BY SVG. Dwight is rightfully sick of having his career dragged down by a franchise that is utterly incompetent from top to bottom, and yeah part of that is his loudmouth coach who isn't getting him enough shots.

The stuff you're saying is downright false.
Blaming Dwight? No. I'm saying those were moves that he wanted and got, and where did it get them? Are you denying that he's acted like a spoiled baby this year? Or that his actions have effected the team negatively? Man, you are in denial. I don't understand, his coach was asked a question, to which he responded with an honest answer, which isn't speculation, it was true. So what have I said that was false. Stop being an apologist for some fake Christian who stalks porn stars and has babies with groupies. Sorry, when it comes to integrity I'll take SVG every time buddy.

[rs98762001]

Man that video is painful to watch. Howard looks like a deer in headlights for the last minute. Heads be rolling soon.

[SpecialQue]

-Points out Orlando Sentinel article.
-Redirects us to own site.

This guy...:kobe::kobe:

I'm quoting this before it gets deleted.

:pimp:

[I<3NBA]

If the Magic fire Stan Van Gundy, they're morons. D12 might not even remain in a few years, but SVG most definitely would have. Good luck replacing SVG with a better coach.

Unless Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan come out of retirement and sign with the Magic, you've got very few choices of coaches as good as SVG. I guess they can give Mike D'Antoni a try, right?
MDA will have orgasms coaching this team.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Blaming Dwight? No. I'm saying those were moves that he wanted and got, and where did it get them? Are you denying that he's acted like a spoiled baby this year? Or that his actions have effected the team negatively? Man, you are in denial. I don't understand, his coach was asked a question, to which he responded with an honest answer, which isn't speculation, it was true. So what have I said that was false. Stop being an apologist for some fake Christian who stalks porn stars and has babies with groupies. Sorry, when it comes to integrity I'll take SVG every time buddy.

I don't care about Dwight's personal life, but clearly you're so caught up in it that it's going to prevent you from having an actual basketball discussion about the guy.

Yeah he's acted like a diva, this is the NBA, half the players in the league act like divas. Fact is the Magic have wasted the last few years of his career putting sorry teams out on the court with him. If Dwight influenced them to make bad basketball decisions, (I seriously doubt he had much to do with the Lewis signing) then that's just a further example of the Magic front office being incompetent and letting a player who doesn't know personel at all to make decisions for them.

[stephanieg]

Dwight should've asked for Otis to be fired. Stan is a chef trying to make dinner with shitty ingredients.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Get it done, Mitch!
I'd love to hear a Stan post-game interview after Kobe goes 3-27 or something.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

:oldlol: Stan knew when to bolt. Imagine the awkwardness if he stuck around for the questions directed at Dwight.:eek:

[SpecialQue]

Dwight should've asked for Otis to be fired. Stan is a chef trying to make dinner with shitty ingredients.

Apparently, this is something that may be part of why he re-signed. Don't expect Stan or Otis to be there next season.

[InfiniteBaskets]

What does Dwight have to really complain about though? Prior to the Magic's recent losing streak, they were in steady lead of the 3rd seed in the East. The other two teams are comprised of one with three all-stars and solid role players, while the other team is arguably the league's best defensive and rebounding squad. How is replacing Van Gundy with a D'Antoni or the other slim pickings going to make up that talent gap?

So the magic fires SVG, very likely won't improve next season and Dwight leaves. Where does that leave the Magic? Bad coach and bad players.

[TOUCH MY BODY]

Stan for president.

[Take Your Lumps]

Way to go Stan, **** the haters :applause: :cheers:

[Scholar]

Pepsi should hire SVG now. He's drinking a can of Pepsi while answering questions about possibly getting fired. Dude's a G.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

ne possibility stan and dwight were tolling the reports? doubtful, i know.

[chocolatethunder]

I don't care about Dwight's personal life, but clearly you're so caught up in it that it's going to prevent you from having an actual basketball discussion about the guy.

Yeah he's acted like a diva, this is the NBA, half the players in the league act like divas. Fact is the Magic have wasted the last few years of his career putting sorry teams out on the court with him. If Dwight influenced them to make bad basketball decisions, (I seriously doubt he had much to do with the Lewis signing) then that's just a further example of the Magic front office being incompetent and letting a player who doesn't know personel at all to make decisions for them.
I'm not caught up in his personal life but it does give you some insight into the type of person he is. Does this have to do with basketball? Well it does here because he asked for his coach to be fired. His coach was asked about this rumor, to which he responded with an honest answer. And why wouldn't he? He's the guy who is trying to get this team to perform when it's in disarray because Howard has been acting like a diva all year. When Howard is asked about it he just lies and avoids answering the question. So yes I believe what SVG said was true and don't believe Howard. Stan wasn't stirring the pot at all. If you listened to his answer he said that it didn't matter to him. I would assume that's why he responded so candidly to the question. The thing is this, if you're going to say inflammatory things about your teammates and the organization, and talk about "how much I've done for this organization" then you had better put up and act like a man. He has not acted like a man this year. Staying out of huddles and dissing his teammates. In addition, he's just not a reliable enough offensive player to be a go to guy and his FT shooting doesn't help him at all in crunch time. He's not as good as he thinks he is and the fact of the matter is that only one team every year can win it all. Everyone else are losers. If you don't think that they have been trying to assemble a team around him to appease him then you are living in a fantasy world. How is it supposed to make Jameer feel when Howard does interviews and talks about how much help the team needs and how much they need a better PG? How do you expect Nelson to feel about that? Give me a break. That's not rumor or a story fabricated by anyone. If he has such a problem with him he should talk to him personally not air his dirty laundry in public. He can't have it both ways. He's a baby and he's overrated and will never be the number one guy on anyone's team.

[bagelred]

Please don't ever post this again. I cringed just looking at that picture.

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[niko]

Some of you analyze this too deeply. Dwight acted like a dick, asked them to fire coach (not quite the first person ever to do it) and got caught. THat's it.

[LoneyROY7]

Dwight's a putz and the Magic will get knocked out in the first round.

Am I missing anything?

[Punpun]

Dwight's a putz and the Magic will get knocked out in the first round.

Am I missing anything?

Thanks to SVG and his wonderful live and die by the 3 tho.

[chazzy]

The best part is how he keeps asking for their source and it's from SVG himself :oldlol:

[Punpun]

The best part is how he keeps asking for their source and it's from SVG himself :oldlol:

Nope. SVG isn't the source. The source come from the guys in management who told SVG this. It's different.

[niko]

Nope. SVG isn't the source. The source come from the guys in management who told SVG this. It's different.
SVG confirmed it so yes, he would be A source. Not the same source. And no one watching it would give a ****,. NO THIS IS NOT REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH SVG IS SAYING IT, HE DID NOT SAY IT FIRST.

Are you ****ing kidding?

[Punpun]

D12 is clearly asking them what is their source. What is their source on "I asked SVG to be fired". SVG is merely a relayer as the rumor was already out there.

[niko]

D12 is clearly asking them what is their source. What is their source on "I asked SVG to be fired". SVG is merely a relayer as the rumor was already out there.
You think SVG is relaying a rumor? That he doesn't actually know? How far down your mouth is D12's dick? Are you one of his baby mama or something?

[chazzy]

D12 is clearly asking them what is their source. What is their source on "I asked SVG to be fired". SVG is merely a relayer as the rumor was already out there.
He was told directly from management, not relaying a rumor

[Punpun]

I believe you can't read. I also believe you are on a mission. That's the only reason you are so uncouth.

[Punpun]

He was told directly from management, not relaying a rumor

And the rumor also came from someon ein management. Therefore SVG is only relaying the rumor. If yo uwant to stop this rumor, you ask either d12, he denied it, or the Management.

Pretty easy to understand no ?

[niko]

And the rumor also came from someon ein management. Therefore SVG is only relaying the rumor. If yo uwant to stop this rumor, you ask either d12, he denied it, or the Management.

Pretty easy to understand no ?
For you apparently. For all of us not you, no.

SVG is not relaying a rumor, he is saying FACT. You think the Magic are telling him Dwight wants him fired but Dwight really doesn't? What possible logic is there?

And i don't have an "agenda", i honestly think you are being retarded and my lack of "couth" is because since you think SVG is relaying a rumor, you might not take subtlelty well.

[Punpun]

SVG is not relaying a rumor, he is saying FACT. You think the Magic are telling him Dwight wants him fired but Dwight really doesn't? What possible logic is there?


No. SVG is only adding weigth to the rumor. That's all. There are only TWO people who can be taken for their words. D12 and the management he spoke with.

In other words ask Otis and D12. D12 already denied it. Now they simply have to ask Otis.

That's how things works. You don't condemn people for second hand testimony.

[niko]

No. SVG is only adding weigth to the rumor. That's all. There are only TWO people who can be taken for their words. D12 and the management he spoke with.

In other words ask Otis and D12. D12 already denied it. Now they simply have to ask Otis.

That's how things works. You don't condemn people for second hand testimony.
:lol you're a moron.

[Punpun]

And you are pretty limited.

[Sarcastic]

Who cares? Stan Van Gundy deserves to be fired anyway.

[niko]

And you are pretty limited.
if you mean i don't ignore evidence in order to be a stan for an NBA player acting like a tool, yes i am limited in my ability to do that.

Do you think the fact that everyone in this thread except you has a different opinion is because you've figured out something the rest of us missed?

[ClutchOver9000]

that video was sooooo awkward...lol

[Maneva]

Unless Dwight agrees to sign with the Magic next year I don't think he should ask for something like this. What if they fire Stan and then Dwight just leaves right after?

[Punpun]

**** off bro. I'm no stan. No idea where you take that from. See how limited you are ? The moment someone has not the same idea than you then he is a stan and his point is wrong.

If SVG says so, then it's true. Even tho he wasn't there when D12 allegedly said it. If both Otis and D12 denies it, then he never asked for it. That's all. As things stand only D12 denied it. Reporters should do their jobs and ask Otis.

Why do you believe D12 is lieing ? Because SVG said so ? But SVG only heard second-hand commentary from some guy in management.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Nope. SVG isn't the source. The source come from the guys in management who told SVG this. It's different.

Have you ever done a book report before? When you cite your sources, you cite where you got your information from, that doesn't necessarily have to be from the mouth of the person you're doing your report on.

"Stan Van Gundy was just here and told us he said you want him fired"

"What's your source?"

"Are you serious? I just freakin told you what source I'm using"


If SVG says Dwight wants him fired, Dwight says something like "I just want to win" it's obvious whats going on. You can't seriously think Dwight doesn't have some sort of tension against SVG?

[Punpun]

Have you ever done a book report before? When you cite your sources, you cite where you got your information from, that doesn't necessarily have to be from the mouth of the person you're doing your report on.

D12 asked management to fire SVG. RUMOR

SVG just added weigth to the rumor that was going around by confirming it. FACT.
D12 denied it. FACT.
OTIS didn't confirm anything yet. FACT.

So "go ask the SOURCE". AKA ASK OTIS.

Damn, you guys are slow.

[LakersReign]

The coach is usually the first to get blamed when teams that were contenders fall off. I don't quite agree with Howard going to management asking them to fire the coach, but it seems like it's inevitable that he will be fired regardless. SVG's "outside in" style clearly needs to go cuz teams already know how to limit their scoring. SVG is only part of the problem though, but firing him would be a start.

[niko]

**** off bro. I'm no stan. No idea where you take that from. See how limited you are ? The moment someone has not the same idea than you then he is a stan and his point is wrong.

If SVG says so, then it's true. Even tho he wasn't there when D12 allegedly said it. If both Otis and D12 denies it, then he never asked for it. That's all. As things stand only D12 denied it. Reporters should do their jobs and ask Otis.

Why do you believe D12 is lieing ? Because SVG said so ? But SVG only heard second-hand commentary from some guy in management.
I believe Dwight is lying because he's acted like a tool changing his mind back and forth during this whole process and because there is motivation for him to lie, and no motivation for SVG. SVG might get fired with time left on his deal, and although im sure he can get another job, this will certainly be a black mark against future employers. He aired dirty laundry.

SVG is probably getting fired over this, maybe in the next few hours.

What do you think the motivation is for SVG to lie here?

[Punpun]

I never said SVG was lieing. I said SVG heard seconhands report. "Someoneone told me someone (D12) asked Otis to fire me.". That's secondhand report. Heck it might be third hand report if it comes from someone else than Otis.

"Someone told me someone told him D12 asked Otis for you to be fired". See how unreliable this can easily become ?

Besides airing dirty laundry will always be put against you when researching another job. Afterall, it'd simply means you can not be trusted not tu run your mouth off.

[Shepseskaf]

I called this when the DHo trade drama first started. The Magic prostituted themselves to keep their star, and now the aftereffects of publicly ceding decision-making power to a player will start to hurt them big-time.

They should have just traded him when he asked for it.

Now, how is a new coach going to come in and establish any kind of authority when he knows that DHo can simply call upstairs and veto his job? Why would any superstar come to Orlando when its commonly known that Dwight runs things?

The Magic "won" in the short-term by keeping DHo, but will lose in the long run. They never should have sacrificed their organizational integrity. That's like selling your soul to the devil.

[LoneyROY7]

Howard should be in New Jersey right now.

[Punpun]

I called this when the DHo trade drama first started. The Magic prostituted themselves to keep their star, and now the aftereffects of publicly ceding decision-making power to a player will start to hurt them big-time.

Now, how is a new coach going to come in and establish any kind of authority when he knows that DHo can simply call upstairs and veto his job? Why would any superstar come to Orlando when its commonly known that Dwight runs things?


Blame the management who allowed this to get out the room. You know, you could have fired SVG withotu tellling him he was asked to be fired by D12 by example. All this drama is because the Magics' GM is a ****ing amateur.

[InfiniteBaskets]

D12 asked management to fire SVG. RUMOR

SVG just added weigth to the rumor that was going around by confirming it. FACT.
D12 denied it. FACT.
OTIS didn't confirm anything yet. FACT.

So "go ask the SOURCE". AKA ASK OTIS.

Damn, you guys are slow.

The reporter wanted a reaction of what Dwight thought about SVG saying management telling SVG Dwight wants him fired... Get it?

"Dwight, so... SVG told us that management told him you wanted him fired. How do you feel about your coach saying this?"

"What's your source on SVG saying this?"

"SVG just freakin' said it, like two seconds ago" :confusedshrug:


Either

1. SVG/Management is lying. In which case Dwight would say something like "I have no idea why SVG would say that. Either management made something up about me asking for a trade, or SVG made that up himself. They are all snakes, I have no faith in this organization b/c they are just making $hit up and putting words in my mouth, I feel disrespected"

2. SVG is telling the truth AND Dwight asked management to fire SVG. In which case Dwight would either say "Yeah I asked management to fire his ass, so what?" or "I don't know what you guys are talking about, I want to just win"


Come on man, put the pieces together. You are the star player, your coach just said you wanted him fired. That's a HUGE accusation. The only reaction you're going to have is a "source?" Are you serious!? If LeBron was asked in a post game session "So we heard that you told Riley you want Spoelstra to be fired?" You know LeBron would be like "What!?!? You guys are nuts man, nothing of the sort ever came out of my mouth". It wouldn't be something like "Well.. you know i just want to win"

[Shepseskaf]

Blame the management who allowed this to get out the room. You know, you could have fired SVG withotu tellling him he was asked to be fired by D12 by example. All this drama is because the Magics' GM is a ****ing amateur.
This isn't the GM's fault. He obviously didn't put this "veto power" offer on the table.

Whether it got out publicly, or not, even hinting that a player would have the power to fire a coach or GM is just stupid.

It was upper management and ownership who adopted the "must keep Dwight at all costs" campaign. Ultimately, all of the clouds lingering over the franchise stem from that bad decision.

[Punpun]

@Infinite, Nope. As I've already pointed out, this is not as binary as you'd like to think.

SVG didn't even say that. SVG did he was told by someone in management D12 asked for him to be fired. It's completely different.

---

@Shep, and who is to blame ? D12 who never said he wanted this power (in public) or the management who leaked all those rumors.

Seems pretty obvious for me.

[cteach111]

its kinda obvious from the story that Dwight wants him fired.. there's 2 things that jumped out at me that Dwight said though

1) Dwight wanted to know what the reporters sources were

2) Why would I want to fire him with 12-15 games (whatever it was) left in the season?

I kinda laughed at the 2nd one because its a bad way to respond to the accusations.

[Smoke117]

Dwight hasn't learned the art of knowing when to keep your god damn mouth shut already.

[TheBluest]

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[BlackVVaves]

I just watched that shit on ESPN. SVG is telling reporters how much he doesn't care if he's fired or not, then Dwight walks in like "What's up coach?"

Awkward as ****.

[StateOfMind12]

Lettuce beef real tea here, Dwight Howard runs the Magic organization, not Otis Smith, not anyone else. The Magic are nothing more than a puppet to Dwight Howard. It is sad really.

[Smoke117]

Magic need Jerry Sloan. Jerry Sloan don't play.

[InfiniteBaskets]

@Infinite, Nope. As I've already pointed out, this is not as binary as you'd like to think.

SVG didn't even say that. SVG did he was told by someone in management D12 asked for him to be fired. It's completely different.



Yes you're right. In an effort to build team unity and construct a winner's mentality in lieu of the playoffs, magic management made up a lie and told Stan Van Gundy that Dwight Howard asked for him to be fired. Either that or SVG has gone crazy and started making up things.

Dwight would never ask for SVG to be fired, they get along so well. Can't you tell by the video? :hammerhead:

[CelticBaller]

loyalty hahahaha

[Punpun]

Yes you're right.


Thank you.

[niko]

Dwight can do no wrong. I love him.
THat explains it.

[Blue&Orange]

Howard should have asked the management to fire the management... they made so much dumb moves in a row


It would be hilarious if the Magic fire SVG and hire D'Antoni. :lol

[Punpun]

Look bro, you ran the tail between the legs without answering last time. Don't come for more.

[niko]

I'm one of Dwights 271 illegitimate children, i need to rep him.
I see.

[Punpun]

I'm SVG's wife. Gotta stick up to his fat ass

Damn this is funny.

[CavaliersFTW]

Master of Panic
:roll:

[niko]

Damn this is funny.
it shows me your motivation, that you think my opinion is because i rep SVG. it explains a lot.

[InspiredLebowski]

If SVG didn't have bad luck he wouldn't have no luck at all. I really, really doubt it happens, but after the way he's been treated like shit in multiple NBA stops I'd think about taking a big time college job. I'm not the biggest fan of his coaching, but he's certainly solid. I just feel bad for him really.

[Clutch]

I've always liked Van Gundy brothers.

[Punpun]

iMaking spaghettis to my husband every single night sure is tough.

:biggums:


I've always liked Van Gundy brothers.

Wait, JVG and SVG are actually related ? How come one of the two is a dickhead while SVG is cool ?

[swi7ch]

D12 is a horrible person.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

Thing is, Dwight was supercool in 2008, no rumour could touch him. Now he's in his weird tornado :D And he enters the video not knowing Stan just confirmed everything, is that true? :D OMG :D bahahahaha

[Jameerthefear]

... I think stan is a good coach, stfu Dwight.

[CavaliersFTW]

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Jesus knows how Stan feels

[Kujo]

What a circus. Dwight is an idiot.

[Godzuki]

wow just finally saw the video....Dwight is a backstabber. i don't even think he knew Stan knew when he walked up....i can see Dwight screaming on management over this. how are the Magic going to function in this state of drama?

i predict Stan stepping down real soon. he'll get other job offers for head coaching somewhere. shit just got real :pimp:

[Jameerthefear]

We used to be a quiet team...

[hawkfan]

This is a way for Van Gundy to NOT get another job.

Who wants to deal with kind of thing again?

I guess Van Gundy doesn't want to quit.

He's hit his limits as a head coach. He doesn't know what to do on offense, and Dwight hasn't gotten better from last year - not significantly.

[niko]

apparently this is coming out because SVG thinks Dwight is faking an injury and wasn't willing to put up with hit. Dwight would fake and stay out and the Magic would lose a few games and the MAgic could fire SVG for performance reasons.

[Jameerthefear]

apparently this is coming out because SVG thinks Dwight is faking an injury and wasn't willing to put up with hit. Dwight would fake and stay out and the Magic would lose a few games and the MAgic could fire SVG for performance reasons.
Knew it. Dwight doesn't go down from a punch in the back.

[srekaL]

Why didn't the Magic just trade Dwight for Bynum when they had the chance. This is a huge joke, and Dwight acts like a moron. What a complete failure :facepalm

[nbacardDOTnet]

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[niko]

they'll get more in the offseason if they trade him so its not really a loss for the Magic, aside from the embarassment.

[CavaliersFTW]

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[Whoah10115]

The people harping on SVG here are making 0 sense. What has he done badly?




Since Golden State hates Bogut so much they should just trade him and Curry and Lee for Dwight and Turk. Maybe nab some Anderson out of it too.

[Tenchi Ryu]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
This shit is getting real messy now...

[Fiasco]

The hug makes me incredibly uncomfortable.

[senelcoolidge]

Dwight is being a bitch. Play for your team and play for your coach. :facepalm

[Fiasco]

Watch this video immediately:

http://www.nba.com/magic/video/2012/04/05/040512svghowardfiredreportsm4v-2057675

Of course he would be drinking a Diet Pepsi...


I'll take SVG over Del Negro

Yes, please.

[Tmuston Beltics]

A new name for Howard..

Dwight Coward

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[nbacardDOTnet]

What kind of franchise are the Magic running?

:roll:

before
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after
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Thanks, Orlando and Otis Smith. (from Celtics fan)

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[R.I.P.]

Not sure how these two can work together. If you fire SVG, you can basically hand the franchise over to Howard. He can play coach and GM. As a coach how can you still work with Howard?

If the Magic had played this (Utah) smart, they had kept Gortat and would have traded Howard quietly two years ago for something like J. Smith, Horford, Teague, and two first round picks. If you can secure a lottery pick from another team in that deal, you have a decent shot to get a Cousins or Paul George with that pick. You land Shumpert or Leonard with one of your own picks.

Teague/Nelson
Richardson/Redick
George/Leonard
Smith/Anderson
Horford/Gortat

That

[Rnbizzle]

I respect SVG for doing this. I also believe he's a good/great coach.

[Punpun]

As a coach how can you still work with Howard?

If the Magic had played this (Utah) smart, they had kept Gortat and would have traded Howard quietly two years ago

Blame Otis. Then again there is like no other player that can have such a big impact in a team like D12. But blame Otis. It's his fault for letting the franchise devolve like that.

There are so many wrongs things with the way Otis managed that team. So many wrong choices he made. It's hilarious people are forgiving just how much of a bad job he did. And does.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I respect SVG for doing this. I also believe he's a good/great coach.

I think he should have kept his mouth shut about the whole thing. It's a much bigger story now.

And as a coach? Clearly his three point chucking philosophy isn't working too well lately, people complain about Dwight not shooting enough but I think that has a lot to do with their crappy offensive philosophy of shooting threes at every possible opportunity.

He's not a bad coach, but certainly not a great one.

[R.I.P.]

Why didn't the Magic just trade Dwight for Bynum when they had the chance. This is a huge joke, and Dwight acts like a moron. What a complete failure :facepalm

At this point you even have to consider that Bynum would be an upgrade in maturity over Howard. :lol

[Rnbizzle]

I think he should have kept his mouth shut about the whole thing. It's a much bigger story now.

And as a coach? Clearly his three point chucking philosophy isn't working too well lately, people complain about Dwight not shooting enough but I think that has a lot to do with their crappy offensive philosophy of shooting threes at every possible opportunity.

He's not a bad coach, but certainly not a great one.
He's working with what he's got. He literally has 0 slashers on that roster. I guess Jameer can do it sometimes but he normally rather chucks up 5 threes a game too.

On this particular event, why would he not talk about it? The thing is going to blow anyways, you must be crazy if you think he's gonna be coaching there for long after Dwight has asked for him to be fired.

[R.I.P.]

Blame Otis. Then again there is like no other player that can have such a big impact in a team like D12. But blame Otis. It's his fault for letting the franchise devolve like that.

There are so many wrongs things with the way Otis managed that team. So many wrong choices he made. It's hilarious people are forgiving just how much of a bad job he did. And does.

Yeah I know it

[TonyD]

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[Punpun]

SVG acted like a beta there. He shrank and lied about what he was saying. "Yeah so Melo is scary".

SVG def has a part off responsability. You know, he could have talked it out with D12 like MONTHES before. You know do a coach job and make it so that there is not such a bad drama now.

It's just.. lol.

D12 should man up tho. Whatever you do, accept it. Hire better pr assisstant if you don't know how to answer questions. Tebow can do it at the perfection, no reason for him to **** up so much.

[nbacardDOTnet]

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[Jotaro Durant]

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dwights a snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake:no:

[Punpun]

dwights a snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake:no:

A black snake.. Watch your mouth. There is but ONE black Mamba.

[blacknapalm]

he's trying to not offend people but by not sticking with his word, dwight just comes off as an arrogant, manipulating moron. was it completely right for SVG to go public? probably not. they won't fire him this season though. this offseason? anything goes. he'll get hired somewhere else if he is let go. orlando is catering completely to dwight and they'll be a laughingstock if he ends up leaving

[SunsCaptain]

Man. I'd love to hear what goes on in that locker room. It has to be more awkward than an episode of The Office.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w104/Samanthav_03/Suns/dwightt-1.jpg

[madmax]

D12 is an arrogant immature jackass - what's new?:confusedshrug:
Not like this is the first time when this douche shows his true colors - what was that story with some pornstar about anyway?:lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

1: Otis Smith should be fired. What has he done for that team? The best move he has on his resume is getting Ryan Anderson. Think about that. And then think about Carter and Arenas.

2: Stan Van Gundy might as well be wearing a sign saying, "fire me." He clearly no longer gives a shit, probably has a few million in the bank and his agent has some leads. I agree with Lebowski saying he should go NCAA. At the college level no player could give him this much shit.

3: Dwight Howard is only there because he isn't emotionally tough enough to deal with the fallout of leaving. He can't stand being the villain. But any and evy time he talks about that Magic team winning a championship he's lying. There are at least three and maybe even five teams that can beat them in a series and he knows it else he'd have signed the extension.

[Smoke117]

Who cares, I just hope we get matched up with them in the playoffs. I have no fear of the Magic in a 7 game series.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Who cares, I just hope we get matched up with them in the playoffs. I have no fear of the Magic in a 7 game series.
The whole EC wants Orlando. No one else is this dysfunctional and the way this game is going it looks like it's gotten to Howard's head.

[Whoah10115]

You know, I saw the Dwight quote yesterday and I don't know if it caught a lot of people's attention, but it caught mine. I think it said a lot. And I think that quote probably got to SVG enough for him to decide "the hell with it" and just let it loose.




Anyone else notice Dwight say "Throw rocks and hide" when SVG started to walk away? Yowsa.

[Punpun]

SNITCH. He said it. Snitch get stitches. Barkley told it. Seriously, If I'm ever in a huge corporation like that and ther eis a snitch in my service ? God I'd be pissed beyond relief. There are millions in play here and you go around snitching ? Should be blacklisted for the rest of your career.

[blacknapalm]

You know, I saw the Dwight quote yesterday and I don't know if it caught a lot of people's attention, but it caught mine. I think it said a lot. And I think that quote probably got to SVG enough for him to decide "the hell with it" and just let it loose.




Anyone else notice Dwight say "Throw rocks and hide" when SVG started to walk away? Yowsa.

damn, i didn't even notice that the first time :eek: really, his whole tone was almost condescending, like some big smug teenager talking down to his parent or something. i'm especially talking about the 'and stop the knicks, right stan?' part. awkward indeed

i said it from the start...i don't think this will end well. if orlando loses in the first round, management will have an excuse to axe SVG. the bad part is the real problem is otis smith. no one is innocent here but management deserves a lot of blame and i don't trust anything howard says anymore

[Rockets(T-mac)]

I don't blame SVG for telling it like it is, it has to be frustrating to hear all this shit on a daily basis. Dwight needs to stop acting like a child and shut up and just play.

And I don't know why Orlando is bending over back for Dwight, he's going to leave anyway....

[Noob Saibot]

Orlando Magic are cursed. they can't keep an all-star player for anything.

[BallsOut]

Dwight is becoming less likeable to me. Good player but just doesn't know how to handle his business. At this point I wouldn't even trade Bynum for him and all the potential headaches he would bring.

[B]

I don't blame SVG for telling it like it is, it has to be frustrating to hear all this shit on a daily basis. Dwight needs to stop acting like a child and shut up and just play.

And I don't know why Orlando is bending over back for Dwight, he's going to leave anyway....SVG clearly wants some form of resolution. He's almost begging the front office to fire him and I don't blame him one bit. He has to deal with Dwight on the court and a bunch of dolts in the front office. If they don't fire him I wouldn't be surprised to see him quit

[GoRapz]

Damn...if I was Stan i'd tell Dwight and the Magic organization to f*ck themselves and resign right before the playoffs. Dude would still be owed big bucks while sitting home eating chips waiting for teams to offer him contracts :pimp: Do it Stan!!! You deserve better :rockon:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Damn...if I was Stan i'd tell Dwight and the Magic organization to f*ck themselves and resign right before the playoffs. Dude would still be owed big bucks while sitting home eating chips waiting for teams to offer him contracts :pimp: Do it Stan!!! You deserve better :rockon:
explain how he would still be owed big bucks?

[LA_Showtime]

I figured Dwight couldn't possibly make his situation any worse than Shaq's departure or LeBron's decision, but he's managed to combine those two situations into this ridiculous bullshit. Like Shaq, he wants Gundy out. Like LeBron, he's getting a bunch of unwarranted media attention. But unlike those two guys, he's gone back and over the fence. One day he wants to be traded, and the next day he wants to retire as a Magic.

Sidenote: How ****ing stupid does it sound to say "retire as a Magic." You guys need a new team name. I never realized how gay "Magic" was.

Sidenote two: How strange is it that Magic (gay name) Johnson got HIV, which is ignorantly linked to HIV?

[GoRapz]

explain how he would still be owed big bucks?

Wouldn't Stan still be entitled to the rest of the money on his contract for atleast this year?

[LA_Showtime]

Wouldn't Stan still be entitled to the rest of the money on his contract for atleast this year?

Yes, he would. I believe he wouldn't collect that money if he took another coaching job, though.

[824]

You know, I saw the Dwight quote yesterday and I don't know if it caught a lot of people's attention, but it caught mine. I think it said a lot. And I think that quote probably got to SVG enough for him to decide "the hell with it" and just let it loose.




Anyone else notice Dwight say "Throw rocks and hide" when SVG started to walk away? Yowsa.

That throw rocks and hide was about the reporter or person he was accusing of making it up.. not directed at van gundy..

[SunsCaptain]

ghj

[InfiniteBaskets]

Wouldn't Stan still be entitled to the rest of the money on his contract for atleast this year?

Would Stan still be entitled to his money if he quit though? Or is it only if he gets fired?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Looks like the Magic will be having the same crap in February and March 2013, when Dwight asks them to roll the dice on him again.

[Tenchi Ryu]

I like what Charles and Kenny said. Stan should not have come out and said that, but the real culprit here is the person who leaked it to him in the first place. That's some backstabbing ass shit if Dwight felt this was someone he could trust, and then go running to Stan. Dwight should know the people he is discussing business with.

But even then, wtf is managament doing giving Dwight all this power in the first place? He is a player, he should have no damn say in your business decisions, if he don't agree, let his ass walk. You should have not fell for the bullshit, and traded his ass.

Management gets all the blame in this one from me.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Would Stan still be entitled to his money if he quit though? Or is it only if he gets fired?

Pretty sure he'd get nothing if he willingly quits. Probably the only reason he's still there.

[FindingTim]

http://www.nbacircle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Dwight-Howard-Trade-2012.jpg
shhhhh, don't tell them I'm a douche.
alternate version: shhhh, don't tell them I run the Magic.

[nbacardDOTnet]

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As result

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[PickernRoller]

The Magic just need to BLOW UP as an organization. They clearly have no vision at all for this team or the future. The coaching and the players aren't seeing eye to eye and their interaction is uncomfortable and unbearable. They clearly can hardly co-exist.

First off fire Otis for being short-sighted and not trading Dwight for Bynum when he had the change. Add to that how poorly he built around Dwight with the opportunities he has had and you get a total **** of a GM. Fire his stupid @ss. You don't get to screw too many times and still keep your job ****0t.

Second, fire that snitch on management....I am pretty sure he has another snitch right there with him, two as it's usually the case for snitches, CLEAN HOUSE at Top first.

The owners need to CLEAN HOUSE, starting Top to bottom with management.

Bottom:

FIRE VAN GUNDY's sorry @ss and his assistance coaching staff....

Van Gundy clearly lost this team, he's clearly failed as a leader, and has no relationship at this moment with the most important player in that Team, Dwight.....as a result, he has also lost the confidence of the rest of the team and morale is bottom-line atrocious within that team. Players who have doubts of their future within the team or simply just loose faith in the team will not give 100%. This has a domino effect on other players....Van Gundy has lost his f'cking team. Time to go.......lets not get started on him going public with this BS. Keep it to yourself homie....what do you gain?

Third, Trade Dwight, Jameer and the other expendables and start all over again. Only reason this team kept Dwight was because of ticket sales, endorsements etc......thinking he will stay forever is a fools dream.....

As things get worse you won't even get the attandance, the ticket sales down the line. Only getting worse and worse and worse......first round exit is not going to help either.

Blow the team UP!!!!!!

[LA_Showtime]

Posted this in other thread. Belongs here

The Magic is stupid. Dwight demands a trade. Dwight recants the demand. Wait, Dwight wants to be traded, but only to teams A and B. Orlando will trade Dwight. Nope, they won't. Wait, they will, but only if they get back two all-star players in return. No, they changed their mind again, they aren't trading him, period. Rinse and repeat.

Deadline approaches: "Dwight, if you stay we'll commit to winning. We are a piece or two away from truly contending with the Miami's of the NBA."

Dwight: "Well Otis, I don't want to stay here, but since my other options are limited, I might as well. But you have to fire everyone and do everything I say."

What makes this situation so mind numbingly stupid is that Orlando spent more time convincing Howard to opt-in than to actually, you know, improve the team. They didn't make any trades. None. Zilch. Rather than actually improving their team and committing to winning, they signed up for another year of Dwight's bullshit. Instead of avoiding Shaq 2.0., they created a drawn-out, worse situation.

[GOBB]

Dwight looked bad yesterday "whose ur sources" :roll: Ugh the guy u put ur arm around bub. Reporters held back laughs. Priceless

[2LeTTeRS]

I don't see how Stan still has his job after doing this, and it has nothing to do with pleasing Dwight. This is the 2nd time this season that a coach has come out and made a statement that was the polar opposite of the thoughts of ownership and management, and the first time it happened the coach was fired.

As a coach a lot of things can be excused, but crossing the front office is not one of them.

[Spell&Grammar]

The Magic is stupid.


The Magic are stupid.




Spell&Grammar

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't see how Stan still has his job after doing this, and it has nothing to do with pleasing Dwight. This is the 2nd time this season that a coach has come out and made a statement that was the polar opposite of the thoughts of ownership and management, and the first time it happened the coach was fired.

As a coach a lot of things can be excused, but crossing the front office is not one of them.
I don't think he cares anymore. Besides, Howard has been extremely fake here. Campaigning behind SVGs back to get him fired and then you want to put your arm on his shoulder and smile for the camera? Enough. If SVG's top priority is winning this season then sure, wrong thing to do but if he knows he's getting fired sooner or later why not just put it out there? I'd be sick of Howard's bs too. He's fake as hell.

[2LeTTeRS]

I don't think he cares anymore. Besides, Howard has been extremely fake here. Campaigning behind SVGs back to get him fired and then you want to put your arm on his shoulder and smile for the camera? Enough. If SVG's top priority is winning this season then sure, wrong thing to do but if he knows he's getting fired sooner or later why not just put it out there? I'd be sick of Howard's bs too. He's fake as hell.

Dwight isn't the only bad guy here. Everybody knows the relationship between Dwight and SVG has been rocky for years, with Dwight even coming out years ago and criticizing Stan's demeanor toward players during games. With that in mind, is it really that hard to believe that Dwight can like Stan the man, but dislike playing for him?

Van Gundy does seem like a pretty good guy, but with how hard he is on his players and the way he structures his offense (relying on perimeter players camped out by the 3 point line instead of feeding Dwight inside) it can't be easy for Howard to deal with.

[niko]

i understand why SVG said what he did, i can't fault him for it, but to be totally honest, he still should not have said it. He honestly should have asked to be fired if this was the case. It made the Magic look terrible. They've been inept, and Howard is acting like a tool, but you still get paid a lot, and one of the things you are supposed to do is act like a proffesional and not cause crisis for your mgmt by what you say in a press conference.

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't think he cares anymore. Besides, Howard has been extremely fake here. Campaigning behind SVGs back to get him fired and then you want to put your arm on his shoulder and smile for the camera? Enough. If SVG's top priority is winning this season then sure, wrong thing to do but if he knows he's getting fired sooner or later why not just put it out there? I'd be sick of Howard's bs too. He's fake as hell.

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That's because Dwight is cool with Stan the same way Judas was cool with Jesus

[Real Men Wear Green]

Dwight isn't the only bad guy here. Everybody knows the relationship between Dwight and SVG has been rocky for years, with Dwight even coming out and saying years ago that he wished Stan would calm down in his criticism of players in games. With that in mind, is it really that hard to believe that Dwight can like Stan the man, but dislike playing for him?

Yes Van Gundy does seem like a pretty good guy, but he yells at his players as much as any coach in the league and he would rather keep the ball to his perimeter players out by the 3 point line instead of feeding Dwight inside. That can't be easy for Howard to deal with.
Betrayal is betrayal. I'm sure Judas would have said Jesus was a nice guy but he still stabbed him in the back. SVG's offense is too perimeter? He's yelling? Come on. I'd respect it more if Howard wasn't trying to smile in the man's face but the fact he can only stab the back is why Howard deserves all the crap he's getting. He's a joke and he knows it, which is why he completely failed to show up last night.
i understand why SVG said what he did, i can't fault him for it, but to be totally honest, he still should not have said it. He honestly should have asked to be fired if this was the case. It made the Magic look terrible. They've been inept, and Howard is acting like a tool, but you still get paid a lot, and one of the things you are supposed to do is act like a proffesional and not cause crisis for your mgmt by what you say in a press conference.
You're going to have a hard time engendering loyalty and professionalism from a guy that you have let know is hanging by a thread. SVG's behavior is not ideal, if I didn't care the way he doesn't seem to care I like to think I'd quit, but I completely understand where he's coming from.

[2LeTTeRS]

Betrayal is betrayal. I'm sure Judas would have said Jesus was a nice guy but he still stabbed him in the back. SVG's offense is too perimeter? He's yelling? Come on. I'd respect it more if Howard wasn't trying to smile in the man's face but the fact he can only stab the back is why Howard deserves all the crap he's getting. He's a joke and he knows it, which is why he completely failed to show up last night.

So now we're equating Dwight with Judas? The rule has always been to criticize players who publicly air dirty laundry about their teams, and now you're telling me that even feeling unsatisfied with the circumstances that surround you is wrong? I simply don't agree.

Listen we all know Dwight has handled this situation horrible, but you can't convince me that Dwight made the wrong decision when he chose to publicly support the team and by extension the coach no matter what he believed privately.

[Real Men Wear Green]

So now we're equating Dwight with Judas? The rule has always been to criticize players who publicly air dirty laundry about their teams, and now you're telling me that even feeling unsatisfied with the circumstances that surround you is wrong? I simply don't agree.

Listen we all know Dwight has handled this situation horrible, but you can't convince me that Dwight made the wrong decision when he chose to publicly support the team and by extension the coach no matter what he believed privately.
There's a difference between thinking SVG should be fired and telling team management to fire him. If I tell you I'm your friend and smile in your face while telling your boss that you should be fired, if you find out are you going to shake my hand and say all is well when you see me? And Van Gundy is putting on this act the whole season. SVG just hit his breaking point with Howard's fakeness.

[Sarcastic]

Stan Van Gundy is Jesus :oldlol:
He's gonna get fired for our sins:roll:

[2LeTTeRS]

There's a difference between thinking SVG should be fired and telling team management to fire him. If I tell you I'm your friend and smile in your face while telling your boss that you should be fired, if you find out are you going to shake my hand and say all is well when you see me? And Van Gundy is putting on this act the whole season. SVG just hit his breaking point with Howard's fakeness.

Without a doubt I understand the feelings SVG are going through and I'm not trying to minimize it, but that is not an excuse that should allow him to keep his job. Stan is a coaching lifer who knows whats expected of him as a coach and he broke those rules.

Now I guess the next move belongs to the organization.

[LBJMVP]

i was just watching espn and saw that clip where van gundy is talking about how howard wants him fired and that he heard this directly from management.... then dwight howard walks up, clueless about the converstation and puts him arm around him. then they proceed to tell howard what they were just asking gundy about... he looks shell-shocked.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Blue&Orange]

It's funny how i joked how SVG is pringles-lite, and it turns out he is more like D'Antoni than i thought.

Toney Douglas, last game 15point 7/12 6 assists, and before the idiots come out and say it was just a game, his career high was 30 points against the best defensive team last year, he routinely had great games last year, he is a cheap serviceable player.

But D'Antoni was hell bent on making him the scapegoat and sell the idea to everyone that he was the one to blame for the Knicks struggles, hence Jeremy Lin playing 48 minutes a game, hence probably his injury.

SVG is hellbent on selling the idea that him being fired is on Howard, and has nothing to do with his competence or lack of it. Period.

Worse than players with egos is coaches with egos.

And it's working, now Howard is the villain and it seems that all the dumb trades the Magic did was his demands :facepalm

Howard is in his absolute right to like or not like SVG, saying anything else is believing that every employee in the world just loves everyone that is above him in the chain of command... That's retarded.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Without a doubt I understand the feelings SVG are going through and I'm not trying to minimize it, but that is not an excuse that should allow him to keep his job. Stan is a coaching lifer who knows whats expected of him as a coach and he broke those rules.

Now I guess the next move belongs to the organization.
One of the things I'm saying is, SVG doesn't care anymore. He knows his days as HC are numbered, in that press conference he talks about possibly getting canned in the next three minutes. He's in "**** it" mode.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's funny how i joked how SVG is pringles-lite, and it turns out he is more like D'Antoni than i thought.

Toney Douglas, last game 15point 7/12 6 assists, and before the idiots come out and say it was just a game, his career high was 30 points against the best defensive team last year, he routinely had great games last year, he is a cheap serviceable player.

But D'Antoni was hell bent on making him the scapegoat and sell the idea to everyone that he was the one to blame for the Knicks struggles, hence Jeremy Lin playing 48 minutes a game, hence probably his injury.

SVG is hellbent on selling the idea that him being fired is on Howard, and has nothing to do with his competence or lack of it. Period.

Worse than players with egos is coaches with egos.

And it's working, now Howard is the villain and it seems that all the dumb trades the Magic did was his demands :facepalm

Howard is in his absolute right to like or not like SVG, saying anything else is believing that every employee in the world just loves everyone that is above him in the chain of command... That's retarded.
You're introducing the Knicks to a topic that has nothing to do with them. As for the rest, SVG has led Orlando to the Finals with only one star. I don't view him as a great coach but he hasn't underachieved given the talent he has on his roster. Howard can dislike SVG if he wants but being fake and trying to get him fired behind his back while smiling in his face is not an act worthy of respect.

[Sarcastic]

SVG should have never have said what he said and put Howard on the spot like that. His job is to lead the team, and airing dirty laundry is unbecoming of a leader.

[hawkfan]

I hope the Hawks play the Magic in the first round.

We will definitely beat them.

Last year when we beat them in the playoffs, that was his downfall, since SVG had no ideas on what to do and made no adjustments at all.

[CavaliersFTW]

SVG should have never have said what he said and put Howard on the spot like that. His job is to lead the team, and airing dirty laundry is unbecoming of a leader.

Yah but just think what would happen if the Roman empire said "Jesus, your home boy Judas said he wants u to be crucified" - so instead of Jesus staying quiet and bein all "proper" Jesus says f*ck this sh*t I aint goin down without takin his sorry ass down, and publicly exposes Judas for being the backstabbing snake that he was. Whether what Jesus did was right or wrong everybody would start to turn their heads to call out Judas for also bein a shithead and in the confusion Jesus could possibly make an escape or at least get the comfort of know Judas was gonna get his tongue cut off or be stoned to death or some shit...

:biggums:

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[Godzuki]

It's funny how i joked how SVG is pringles-lite, and it turns out he is more like D'Antoni than i thought.

Toney Douglas, last game 15point 7/12 6 assists, and before the idiots come out and say it was just a game, his career high was 30 points against the best defensive team last year, he routinely had great games last year, he is a cheap serviceable player.

But D'Antoni was hell bent on making him the scapegoat and sell the idea to everyone that he was the one to blame for the Knicks struggles, hence Jeremy Lin playing 48 minutes a game, hence probably his injury.

SVG is hellbent on selling the idea that him being fired is on Howard, and has nothing to do with his competence or lack of it. Period.

Worse than players with egos is coaches with egos.

And it's working, now Howard is the villain and it seems that all the dumb trades the Magic did was his demands :facepalm

Howard is in his absolute right to like or not like SVG, saying anything else is believing that every employee in the world just loves everyone that is above him in the chain of command... That's retarded.


ummm i was the only one sticking up for Tony D. like a month ago, every Knicks fan was saying he was horrible....most of you were with D Antoni in that decision despite Tony D. year after year being hated on early then getting opportunities later and playing well for them.

[InfiniteBaskets]

SVG should have never have said what he said and put Howard on the spot like that. His job is to lead the team, and airing dirty laundry is unbecoming of a leader.

Yeah but like Real Men Wear Green said, SVG was already in 'i don't care phase' because he knew he was going to be canned. He just got fed up and spoke the truth. I don't think he had any intention of being a leader at that point.

I'd like to know when this whole thing started. It must have started with Dwight wanting a coaching change, possibly due to not getting enough touches. But if that's the case, given the limited good coaches out there you can replace SVG with, why not opt out? :confusedshrug:

[Godzuki]

SVG should have never have said what he said and put Howard on the spot like that. His job is to lead the team, and airing dirty laundry is unbecoming of a leader.

the management should be blamed first for telling SVG what Dwight said, which caused the drama in the first place.

i don't know how they thought that was good for the team thinking SVG could put it aside while coaching him. i don't blame SVG, wtf did he do? not be fake and put on a face for the media even when that two faced diva put his arm over him in front of the camera's like everything was cool? i'll give SVG credit for walking away from him like he did...

[Blue&Orange]

There's a difference between thinking SVG should be fired and telling team management to fire him. If I tell you I'm your friend and smile in your face while telling your boss that you should be fired, if you find out are you going to shake my hand and say all is well when you see me? And Van Gundy is putting on this act the whole season. SVG just hit his breaking point with Howard's fakeness.
So i guess you never worked in a place where once a while you have to evaluate everyone and everything, using anonymous questionnaires. I guess if you had to be honest and badly evaluate someone you worked with, you would stop talking with that person even if you liked him\her at a personal level, and doing anything else would be fakeness from your part.

There's a reason why those questionnaires are anonymous. How do you think you would feel, if you came to work next day and you questionnaire was on the bulletin board identified as being yours, when you gave a bad note to your superior and to some co-workers?

Yeah, yeah poor SVG.

[hawkfan]

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:coleman:

How do we know that SVG didn't ask that Howard be traded for Bynum and Gasol?

Coaches ask for players to get traded, why can't players ask for coaches to be fired?

[IcanzIIravor]

I think he should have kept his mouth shut about the whole thing. It's a much bigger story now.

And as a coach? Clearly his three point chucking philosophy isn't working too well lately, people complain about Dwight not shooting enough but I think that has a lot to do with their crappy offensive philosophy of shooting threes at every possible opportunity.

He's not a bad coach, but certainly not a great one.

If Howard had an actual offensive guy and they had at least one other guy with post moves and passing ability it would work better. Without those ingredients that type of offense is never going to work for long, especially come the post season.

[Sarcastic]

Yeah but like Real Men Wear Green said, SVG was already in 'i don't care phase' because he knew he was going to be canned. He just got fed up and spoke the truth. I don't think he had any intention of being a leader at that point.

I'd like to know when this whole thing started. It must have started with Dwight wanting a coaching change, possibly due to not getting enough touches. But if that's the case, given the limited good coaches out there you can replace SVG with, why not opt out? :confusedshrug:

Just because he's in "fck it" mode, doesn't mean he should air the dirty laundry. At least if he ever wants another head coaching job, he shouldn't.

[CavaliersFTW]

:coleman:

How do we know that SVG didn't ask that Howard be traded for Bynum and Gasol?

Coaches ask for players to get traded, why can't players ask for coaches to be fired?

How silly, next your gonna suggest Jesus asked for Judas to be traded :roll:

[InfiniteBaskets]

Just because he's in "fck it" mode, doesn't mean he should air the dirty laundry. At least if he ever wants another head coaching job, he shouldn't.

I honestly don't think he cares about another coaching job. I get the feeling he's ready to retire and lay out on a beach somewhere. And personally, I don't mind him speaking his mind, gives us all something to talk about. :banana:

[SpecialQue]

Yah but just think what would happen if the Roman empire said "Jesus, your home boy Judas said he wants u to be crucified" - so instead of Jesus staying quiet and bein all "proper" Jesus says f*ck this sh*t I aint goin down without takin his sorry ass down, and publicly exposes Judas for being the backstabbing snake that he was. Whether what Jesus did was right or wrong everybody would start to turn their heads to call out Judas for also bein a shithead and in the confusion Jesus would make an escape or at least get the comfort of know Judas was gonna get his tongue cut off or be stoned to death too or some shit...

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[Godzuki]

Just because he's in "fck it" mode, doesn't mean he should air the dirty laundry. At least if he ever wants another head coaching job, he shouldn't.


lol he can easily get another coaching job around the league easy, dirty laundry or not. how the hell is that even held against him so much when he's a victim in all this? :wtf:

if anything Orlando loses out with a pretty good coach, and i can't see the "Sure NBA Players make a lot of money, but we spend a lot too." interim coach in Ewing being anywhere near his player legacy in coaching.

[Sarcastic]

lol he can easily get another coaching job around the league easy, dirty laundry or not. how the hell is that even held against him so much when he's a victim in all this? :wtf:

if anything Orlando loses out with a pretty good coach, and i can't see the "Sure NBA Players make a lot of money, but we spend a lot too." interim coach in Ewing being anywhere near his player legacy in coaching.

Yea, but does he want to coach the Kings or a real competitor?

[Whoah10115]

It's funny how i joked how SVG is pringles-lite, and it turns out he is more like D'Antoni than i thought.

Toney Douglas, last game 15point 7/12 6 assists, and before the idiots come out and say it was just a game, his career high was 30 points against the best defensive team last year, he routinely had great games last year, he is a cheap serviceable player.

But D'Antoni was hell bent on making him the scapegoat and sell the idea to everyone that he was the one to blame for the Knicks struggles, hence Jeremy Lin playing 48 minutes a game, hence probably his injury.

SVG is hellbent on selling the idea that him being fired is on Howard, and has nothing to do with his competence or lack of it. Period.

Worse than players with egos is coaches with egos.

And it's working, now Howard is the villain and it seems that all the dumb trades the Magic did was his demands :facepalm

Howard is in his absolute right to like or not like SVG, saying anything else is believing that every employee in the world just loves everyone that is above him in the chain of command... That's retarded.




The Douglas thing is accurate. But it's not at all relatable to this. Howard has too much fun imitating all of SVG's mannerisms and to act all innocent about everything and then go and ask for the coach to be fired...tho nothing is 100%. He may also have just wanted an upgrade, which is fair to a point.



But it was said long ago that the Arenas trade was something Howard wanted and that seemed to be the case. It was said long ago that Richardson was re-signed for 4 stupid years, because Howard wanted it. I don't know if that's true, but those rumors are not coming out due to this.


SVG really should not have said it. But he obviously doesn't care and is clearly tired of the whole thing. Dwight Howard's gripe with his teammates has usually been about one thing: effort. Is he showing them what a lack of effort does? He's a great player and is actually a smart player, who knows how to affect the game without even directly being involved in the play. But the only thing preventing him from making this his best season to date is the obvious lack of energy. He's not consistently playing hard. He's not playing with the same intensity. Sitting out 3 games and now coming back today...he even said afterwards that he didn't expect much from his game, due to him missing the previous three...I'm not going to over-analyze that but it's clearly become a bigger issue due to all of these factors.


Again, SVG probably shouldn't have said that but he's clearly tired and clearly doesn't give a shit. It's not going to affect his future and this team is just lame lately...it isn't due to his coaching. And his "resume", as Shaq says, is actually more than good enough. Taking them to the next level depends on actually having a better team and on Jameer Nelson and Turkoglu (who loves SVG) actually playing like men. And they can't tweak anything because they don't have any real bad contracts, just a lot of stupid ones that together leave them almost 100% strapped.



It's not on SVG. This team was stuck in neutral anyway.

[GOBB]

Dwight didn't t to be Bron part 2. Guess what Mr. Smiles. It doesn't pay to be fake.

[SpecialQue]

Dwight didn't t to be Bron part 2. Guess what Mr. Smiles. It doesn't pay to be fake.

He's worse than Lebron. The Cavs have an insanely bright post-Lebron future. Any chance in hell the Magic are gonna rebuild that fast after Dwight bolts?

[Real Men Wear Green]

So i guess you never worked in a place where once a while you have to evaluate everyone and everything, using anonymous questionnaires. I guess if you had to be honest and badly evaluate someone you worked with, you would stop talking with that person even if you liked him\her at a personal level, and doing anything else would be fakeness from your part. Actually I never have had to fill out those kinds of questionnaires. But for the record if I have a problem with someone I don't say anything behind their back that I wouldn't say to their face. I do in real life value not being two-faced.
Just because he's in "fck it" mode, doesn't mean he should air the dirty laundry. At least if he ever wants another head coaching job, he shouldn't.
It's not about what he "should" have done at this point. I'm not saying he's handling this the best possible way. I'm saying he's fed up with Howard's bull and got tired of dancing around the issue.

As for his coaching future? We'll see. I doubt that was a career-killing moment. After his experiences in Miami and Orlando he may not even want to coach NBA players anymore but if he does, what stops a team from hiring him? His resume includes ECF teams and one team that made the Finals. Vinny del Negro got a job after allegedly almost fighting his GM in Chicago. That's much worse than revealing his star wants him gone. Does a team now shy away from the hire because they're worried that when their superstar wants him canned they can't tell him now? It's a non-issue.

[Take Your Lumps]

Some of you guys are unbelievable. People bitch all day and night about spoiled players and all around bullshit regarding the way professional sports teams are run and then you have a guy like Stan who said **** it...i'm just not going to lie when you ask me a question.

Dwight + Magic mgmt = recipe for disaster

[get these NETS]

he said she said I heard it through the grapevine/

no static..got an automatic

too much of anything makes you an addict

[Sarcastic]

SVG couldn't get along with Shaq. Now he can't get along with Dwight.

But it's always the players' fault. It can't be him. He is an innocent victim being forced out by these mean basketball players that just won't conform to his style. :rolleyes:

[ImmortalNemesis]

SVG couldn't get along with Shaq. Now he can't get along with Dwight.

But it's always the players' fault. It can't be him. He is an innocent victim being forced out by these mean basketball players that just won't conform to his style. :rolleyes:


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Who did Shaq ever get along with?

[Real Men Wear Green]

SVG couldn't get along with Shaq. Now he can't get along with Dwight.

But it's always the players' fault. It can't be him. He is an innocent victim being forced out by these mean basketball players that just won't conform to his style. :rolleyes:
That's not entirely fair. We've heard Turkoglu and Anderson speak up for him recently. But regardless what I object to is Howard pretending to be friends with SVG while trying to get him fired. I'm not sold on SVG being a great coach, I'm sold on Dwight Howard being a complete phony.

[Punpun]

SVG brother is JVG. All needed to be said is said. You can't be a good person when your brother is a dickhead like that.

[Sarcastic]

That's not entirely fair. We've heard Turkoglu and Anderson speak up for him recently. But regardless what I object to is Howard pretending to be friends with SVG while trying to get him fired. I'm not sold on SVG being a great coach, I'm sold on Dwight Howard being a complete phony.

Then he can should be the coach of a team full of players of Turkgolu and Anderson's caliber. He should not be leading superstars like Shaq and Dwight.

[GOBB]

He's worse than Lebron. The Cavs have an insanely bright post-Lebron future. Any chance in hell the Magic are gonna rebuild that fast after Dwight bolts?

Who knows, they could get lucky like the Cavs. Bottomline is Dwight looks bad right now when all he wanted to do was look :D good. Jokes on him.

[CavaliersFTW]

SVG brother is JVG. All needed to be said is said. You can't be a good person when your brother is a dickhead like that.
:lol

[knickswin]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Who did Shaq ever get along with?

exactly. shaq is demonstrably a big baby. this is no secret. just listen to him talk on TNT every week. there are probably at least 100 past and present NBA players, coaches, and exec's against whom shaq holds stupid grudges. he talks about pat riley as if he were charles manson or something. dwight hasn't been much better. he's been very immature in how he's gone about this whole trading business. you can't give these clowns the benefit of the doubt.

[knickswin]

SVG brother is JVG. All needed to be said is said. You can't be a good person when your brother is a dickhead like that.

JVG isn't a dickhead.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Then he can should be the coach of a team full of players of Turkgolu and Anderson's caliber. He should not be leading superstars like Shaq and Dwight.
It's quite possible that he's a bad fit for NBA superstar egos. Bob Knight specifically said he never went to the NBA because he couldn't deal with a situation where he had less power than his players.

[rfoster24]

Seriously, this is very unfair to D12. D12 denied it. That's all there is to it. D12 has been made the scapegoat of everything that happened in Orlando. When it's the GM and medias fault.

Stan Van Gundy said he wanted him Fired!!! Not the media asswipe!!!

[Sarcastic]

It's quite possible that he's a bad fit for NBA superstar egos. Bob Knight specifically said he never went to the NBA because he couldn't deal with a situation where he had less power than his players.

Then it's his job to adjust or leave.

I just saw my team go through a stubborn coach, and it's because of him we are fighting for a playoff spot instead of being a top 4 seed. Coaches can without a doubt be the problem.

[Punpun]

Stan Van Gundy said he wanted him Fired!!! Not the media asswipe!!!

Read rest of the thread dumbwipe.

[sbw19]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Who did Shaq ever get along with?
PJax. As for Dwight's situation, if he really wanted SVG out it'd have happened circa trade deadline. The two just don't click together, Stan is a good coach but it's time for him to step aside.

[Sarcastic]

Last year, the Red Sox basically mutinied on Terry Francona, but no one goes around blaming them. In that situation it was the coach's fault.

In the NBA, it's always the player's fault for being a spoiled brat.

[rfoster24]

he said she said I heard it through the grapevine/

no static..got an automatic

too much of anything makes you an addict

....not very relevant

[get these NETS]

....not very relevant

it's code


not meant for you

[Real Men Wear Green]

Then it's his job to adjust or leave.

I just saw my team go through a stubborn coach, and it's because of him we are fighting for a playoff spot instead of being a top 4 seed. Coaches can without a doubt be the problem.And once again: SVG is no longer concerned with a job he knows he's going to lose. Regardless of what reasons have lead to NY's mediocrity Van Gundy was sick of Howard's garbage so he told the reporter the truth.

[Sarcastic]

And once again: SVG is no longer concerned with a job he knows he's going to lose. Regardless of what reasons have lead to NY's mediocrity Van Gundy was sick of Howard's garbage so he told the reporter the truth.

And like I said, it's unprofessional for a coach to air the dirty laundry.

At least save it for the book, like Joe Torre did and make some money off it.

[niko]

And once again: SVG is no longer concerned with a job he knows he's going to lose. Regardless of what reasons have lead to NY's mediocrity Van Gundy was sick of Howard's garbage so he told the reporter the truth.
Hey, leave my team's mediocrity out of this.

[Scoooter]

Last year, the Red Sox basically mutinied on Terry Francona, but no one goes around blaming them. In that situation it was the coach's fault.

In the NBA, it's always the player's fault for being a spoiled brat.
A lot of them are spoiled brats though. Even Phil Jackson, the Zen Master, needed a break.

[Sarcastic]

A lot of them are spoiled brats though. Even Phil Jackson, the Zen Master, needed a break.

Was John Elway a brat when he got Dan Reeves fired?

[Punpun]

PJ was no saint either.

[Scoooter]

Was John Elway a brat when he got Dan Reeves fired?
He definitely seems like kind of an asshole.

[LJJ]

Wow, Howard really has done a fine job of burning his reputation to the ground this season. First with the never ending contract and trade demand bullshit which made him look like a spoiled child. And now this, which reinforces that image and additionally makes him look like a phony idiot.

And I love the way Van Gundy handled this. He didn't do the management any favors, but he just showcased that no one in the NBA keeps it more real than Stan van Gundy.




The irony here is that neither Dwight Howard or Stan van Gundy are part of the reason the Magic can't get over the hump. Dwight Howard is a top 3 franchise player in the NBA, and Stan van Gundy is an above average coach. It's the management who consistently failed to improve the roster, who consistently made awful decisions.

[UtahJazzFan88]

I don't think it was a bad move by SVG to air it out, at least he gets to play the victim role which could actually increase chances of getting a job elsewhere.

[Eric Cartman]

Howard is a media whore of epic proportions. He loves to get asked these stupid questions & act like the victim.