View Full Version : Blakes dunk on Gasol was not an Offensive Foul
SavageMode
04-05-2012, 01:30 PM
Get over it. Maybe if Pau was standing still in front of Griffin and not jumping into Blake while he was already in the air mid-dunk. Learn the rules.
Pau jumped into his elbow.
White Mamba
04-05-2012, 01:31 PM
:oldlol: u better go watch it
PickernRoller
04-05-2012, 01:31 PM
Please turn back, bend over, a bit more to the right, ok, zipper down....."offensive foul"
Scholar
04-05-2012, 01:33 PM
Looks like somebody didn't watch the clip. :confusedshrug:
TylerOO
04-05-2012, 01:35 PM
Either way Pau got bitched
Crown&Coke
04-05-2012, 01:35 PM
I thought the first dunk was an over the back
second dunk, he used his forearm to rock the defender, offensive foul
sagr32
04-05-2012, 01:36 PM
How could he have jumped into his elbow if Griffin clearly extended his left arm out. Don't get me wrong it was a great dunk and I really didn't want it called an offensive foul but it technically was.
Faptastrophe
04-05-2012, 01:38 PM
http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BLAKE-PAU-2.gif
Is this a bad attempt to troll?
According the the nba's rules and regulations:
When a player seeks out an opponent and throws an elbow which makes any contact above the shoulders, a Flagrant Foul Penalty 2 will be assessed.
I don't think he was intentionally trying to harm Pau. But it's pretty clear he lead with a forearm/elbow and made contact with Gasol in the head.
SavageMode, just shut up and let us charish this dance.
http://i.imgur.com/8EG8e.jpg
it was all incidental contact. Blake's dunking motion when he goes for the tomahawk slam, he has to lead with his left forearm going down. and Pau was was in the wrong place at the wrong time. its a clear blocking foul before the 'offensive foul' happened. if it was an offensive foul in the first place.
boozehound
04-05-2012, 01:51 PM
http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BLAKE-PAU-2.gif
Is this a bad attempt to troll?
According the the nba's rules and regulations:
I don't think he was intentionally trying to harm Pau. But it's pretty clear he lead with a forearm/elbow and made contact with Gasol in the head.
SavageMode, just shut up and let us charish this dance.
http://i.imgur.com/8EG8e.jpg
he didnt really "seek out the opponent", it was all contact due to the dunking motion. frankly, the call on perkins dropping his arms/hand down on wade was also a shitty overcall by the refs.
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 02:16 PM
...Offensive foul in the actual rules of basketball:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXHYlPECcc&t=13m1s
...Yet here you are arguing that this isn't:
http://www.nba.com/video/games/clippers/2012/04/04/0021100810_lal_lac_play4.nba
:lol
It's not even a mere offensive foul, it's a flagrant foul :roll:
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 02:21 PM
it was all incidental contact. Blake's dunking motion when he goes for the tomahawk slam, he has to lead with his left forearm going down. and Pau was was in the wrong place at the wrong time. its a clear blocking foul before the 'offensive foul' happened. if it was an offensive foul in the first place.
:roll: That's bullshit and you know it, Blake is the biggest tool in the NBA, he gets away with murder on offense and cries like he just got molested on defense. He didn't tuck that elbow for a reason. You don't incidentally keep your elbow swung out 90 degrees - pointed at the defenders face - to dunk, in fact, you used to have to keep it down because otherwise it was once considered an OFFENSIVE FOUL
:lol
Godzuki
04-05-2012, 02:23 PM
man thats the first time i saw the replay. Pau definitely got fouled since Blake basically blocked Gasols block, but if they didn't call it its legit. it made that dunk even worse for Gasol imo, like he muscled him, then dunked on him :facepalm
VeeCee15
04-05-2012, 02:25 PM
Definately an offensive foul...Blake uses the same move everytime he goes up against a defender cause he's a poosy but then he gets teh and1 WTF.
I used to like Blake lol..but all his dunk ons are the same. He either uses his offarm to push off or punch defender OR he gets up higher cause he lifts himself up off of the other player.
That and he flops like a moron.
Serioulsy i'm getting sick of T-rex.
get these NETS
04-05-2012, 02:26 PM
when has the rule book mattered when it came to star players?
Shaq offensive-fouled his way to a three peat
everybody saw it....refs said nothing
Droid101
04-05-2012, 02:28 PM
Bledsoe barely pushes off an opponent with the ball to the chest while going up for a layup: offensive foul.
Blake Griffin swings his arm/elbow down to hold his opponent away while dunking: legal play.
:rolleyes:
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 02:33 PM
Bledsoe barely pushes off an opponent with the ball to the chest while going up for a layup: offensive foul.
Blake Griffin swings his arm/elbow down to hold his opponent away while dunking: legal play.
:rolleyes:
Lettuce be fair this wasn't a legal play. Because Gasol fouled Griffin and sent him to the line :lol
VeeCee15
04-05-2012, 02:40 PM
really,,,
Gasol WAS about to foul Griffin but Griffin's flying punch to gasol's face got there first.
So it was an offensive foul on Blake.
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 02:45 PM
when has the rule book mattered when it came to star players?
Shaq offensive-fouled his way to a three peat
everybody saw it....refs said nothing
It mattered in the 1971 playoffs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXHYlPECcc&t=13m
Wilt commits a foul that would baffle today's NBA fans, and there is probably examples like that into the 1980's as well, but I suspect the widespread media age (1980's and on) started to expand ref bias to keep the superstars pampered and perfect
They call it so rarely today that fans literally don't even know what is or isn't an honest offensive foul. The only offensive foul a superstar will commit these days is if some poor roleplayer takes a charge while standing like a motionless tombstone for 2 straight seconds while the superstar charges them like a raging bull, dipping their shoulder at full-speed... Then as the roleplayer lays there, half unconscious, the superstar starts freaking out to the ref how he was fouled. That kind of contact and behavior is allowed but defensive contact is considered "dangerous" :roll:
There are exceptions even to that, because if a superstar takes flight for a crowd pleasing dunk than the tombstone tactic will probably fail, and the defender will not only be in pain for a week, but he just picked up his 5th foul. :applause:
ballashotcalla
04-05-2012, 02:50 PM
Blake is good for the nba, so they're not calling those offensive fouls.
LAClipsFan33
04-05-2012, 02:50 PM
So we just gonna act like Gasol isn't standing directly in the middle of the restricted area ?
chazzy
04-05-2012, 02:51 PM
So we just gonna act like Gasol isn't standing directly in the middle of the restricted area ?
Doesn't matter in this case
LAClipsFan33
04-05-2012, 02:55 PM
Doesn't matter in this case
So are we gonna act like Gasol didn't jump from under the basket into Blake in mid air before he took the forearm ?
:biggums:
Phong
04-05-2012, 02:57 PM
So we just gonna act like Gasol isn't standing directly in the middle of the restricted area ?Blake already had a foot in the lower defensive block when he received the ball. The defender is allowed to stand in the restricted area and draw a a charge inside of it. Pau jumped pretty much straight up so lets not act like Blake didn't jump forward with a leading elbow. That's pretty obvious on the overhead gif.
Tenchi Ryu
04-05-2012, 03:05 PM
OP wrong as hell
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 03:08 PM
So are we gonna act like Gasol didn't jump from under the basket into Blake in mid air before he took the forearm ?
:biggums:
And that changes/justifies the flagrant 2 elbow how?
Fiasco
04-05-2012, 03:21 PM
Blake already had a foot in the lower defensive block when he received the ball. The defender is allowed to stand in the restricted area and draw a a charge inside of it. Pau jumped pretty much straight up so lets not act like Blake didn't jump forward with a leading elbow. That's pretty obvious on the overhead gif.
1.) ........what? No. :roll:
2.) He jumps into Griffin who is already in the motion of dunking. It's a tomahawk dunk, you lead with your free arm. Griffin had an open lane, it's not his fault Pau rotates over late and jumps into him.
steve
04-05-2012, 03:23 PM
And that changes/justifies the flagrant 2 elbow how?
In what reality is that the case?
kumquat
04-05-2012, 03:26 PM
really,,,
Gasol WAS about to foul Griffin but Griffin's flying punch to gasol's face got there first.
So it was an offensive foul on Blake.
:roll::roll::roll:
What do you mean WAS ABOUT TO FOUL, Pau jumped straight into Griffins space and made contact with him. Can't do that as a defender.
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 03:27 PM
In what reality is that the case?
:biggums:
When a player seeks out an opponent and throws an elbow which makes any contact above the shoulders, a Flagrant Foul Penalty 2 will be assessed.
http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BLAKE-PAU-2.gif
steve
04-05-2012, 03:28 PM
So you want flagrant 2 called because Gasol jumped into Griffin while Griffin was already in the air?
christian1923
04-05-2012, 03:29 PM
Was that called an offensive foul?? must have been lol
I missed the game
Smoke117
04-05-2012, 03:33 PM
Offensive foul.
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 03:33 PM
So you want flagrant 2 called because Gasol jumped into Griffin while Griffin was already in the air?
:lol
Blake throws a flagrant bow at Pau's face and now your mad as hell cause golden boy is gettin called out
:roll:
1.) ........what? No. :roll:
2.) He jumps into Griffin who is already in the motion of dunking. It's a tomahawk dunk, you lead with your free arm. Griffin had an open lane, it's not his fault Pau rotates over late and jumps into him.
Rotates over late? If there's no elbow, there's no dunk.
alwaysunny
04-05-2012, 03:35 PM
2nd dunk was an offensive foul for sure, but I disagree with those saying the 1st one was an over the back foul. It was a clean putback without blatantly pushing over the rebounder.
Kungfro
04-05-2012, 03:37 PM
Of course it was going to be a foul on Pau, I'm pretty sure he was trying to foul to prevent the basket. Blake held him off with his forearm though, you can't do that.
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 03:38 PM
Of course it was going to be a foul on Pau, I'm pretty sure he was trying to foul to prevent the basket. Blake held him off with his forearm though, you can't do that.
Held him off with a bow to the throat is more like it :lol
Gear2
04-05-2012, 03:38 PM
When a player seeks out an opponent and throws an elbow which makes any contact above the shoulders, a Flagrant Foul Penalty 2 will be assessed.
While I am not sure about the rules about being inside the restricted area (where gasol was), I am sure this is not a flagrant 2. Blake is not seeking to hit Pau above his shoulders. He's looking at the basket the entire time, and while he may be using his arm to push away the defender, Blake is in no way looking to elbow Gasol in the neck/face area.
Edit: typos
White Mamba
04-05-2012, 03:41 PM
2nd dunk was an offensive foul for sure, but I disagree with those saying the 1st one was an over the back foul. It was a clean putback without blatantly pushing over the rebounder.:applause:
Fiasco
04-05-2012, 03:45 PM
Rotates over late? If there's no elbow, there's no dunk.
The elbow is coincidental. Griffin is already looking at the basket by the time Gasol moves over.
hawke812
04-05-2012, 03:45 PM
While I am not sure about the rules about being inside the restricted area (where gasol was), I am sure this is not a flagrant 2. Blake is not seeing to his Pau above his shoulders. He's looking at the basket the entire time, and while he may be using his arm to push away the defender, Blake is in no way looking to elbow Gasol in the neck/face area.
Pretty sure Blake can SEE Pau lol. It's not like Pau is behind him:rolleyes:
Phong
04-05-2012, 03:47 PM
While I am not sure about the rules about being inside the restricted areaThe restricted area is only there to prevent a secondary defender to come and block a drive that has been initiated outside of the lower defensive block. For example, an offensive player starts a drive outside of the LDB and blows by the primary defender, a secondary defender cannot jump in the restricted area to take a charge.
Griffin got possession of the ball inside the lower defensive block, therefore an offensive foul could have, and should have been called on Blake for his elbow.
CavaliersFTW
04-05-2012, 03:48 PM
While I am not sure about the rules about being inside the restricted area (where gasol was), I am sure this is not a flagrant 2. Blake is not seeing to his Pau above his shoulders. He's looking at the basket the entire time, and while he may be using his arm to push away the defender, Blake is in no way looking to elbow Gasol in the neck/face area.
Your right, it's not like he has such a thing called peripheral vision to see Pau - who was 3 feet away - coming towards him. Plus, we're talking about Blake "good clean basketball" Griffin. The most honest basketball player in the NBA. Never once has he displayed any sort of chump behavior. I'm wrong about Blake, the kid is pure of heart and a by-the-book player. He would never try to get away with questionable plays and behavior in order to turn the game in his favor, such as flopping, mean mugging, or committing offensive fouls.
The elbow is coincidental. Griffin is already looking at the basket by the time Gasol moves over.
I'm not saying it's a flagrant. But it's an offensive foul. It's a foul in general. He stuck out his elbow, which comes in contact with a defender's face, giving himself an unfair advantage. No elbow, no dunk.
Illegal Use of Elbow
contact in which the player moves his elbow outside his cylinder, causing an opposing player to be disadvantaged.
When a player attempts to execute a legitimate offensive or defensive move and an extended elbow makes more than marginal contact with a legally established opponent, a personal foul will be assessed.
DKLaker
04-05-2012, 04:12 PM
The restricted area is only there to prevent a secondary defender to come and block a drive that has been initiated outside of the lower defensive block. For example, an offensive player starts a drive outside of the LDB and blows by the primary defender, a secondary defender cannot jump in the restricted area to take a charge.
Griffin got possession of the ball inside the lower defensive block, therefore an offensive foul could have, and should have been called on Blake for his elbow.
Sorry, No. There are a few things at work here:
No defender can make contact inside the restricted area, it doesn't matter if it's a primary or secondary.....even if you have perfect position and the edge of your heel is in the restricted area then it is a defensive foul...this is called all the time.
Blake was already in the air when Pau came over, it's the same thing as walking under a shooter....automatic defensive foul.
The moment there is any contact at all under the above circumstances it is automatically a defensive foul...it then doesn't matter what Blake does, there are no offsetting fouls on shots.
It's just like a guy driving to the basket getting fouled, taking 2 steps on his layup but then getting fouled again stopping him from getting the shot off.
There would only be 1 foul recorded.....against the first defender and only 2 free throws shot not 2 or 3......get it?
There are 3 pro referees on the court, all saw it and they got the call right.
Phong
04-05-2012, 04:25 PM
Sorry, No. There are a few things at work here:
No defender can make contact inside the restricted area, it doesn't matter if it's a primary or secondary.....even if you have perfect position and the edge of your heel is in the restricted area then it is a defensive foul...this is called all the time.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_G8Q46hGus
:sleeping
NBA’s Misunderstood Rules: http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html
The restricted area (RA) is the area within the arched line on the court located below the rim. Its purpose is to stop secondary defenders from taking a position under the basket in an attempt to draw the offensive foul when a player is driving to the basket. If an offensive player drives past his primary defender on the way to the basket and a secondary defender comes over, he must establish a legal position outside the RA to draw an offensive foul. If the drive starts inside the Lower Defensive Box (LDB – this is the area from the bottom tip of the free throw circle to the endline between the two 3’ posted-up marks), the defender is legally allowed to be positioned inside the RA.
According to the rulebook, if a player starts his drive (or makes the catch) inside the lower defensive box, the restricted area is negated and a player can take a charge inside of it.
Blake was already in the air when Pau came overNo.
http://nsa22.casimages.com/img/2012/04/05/120405103610562969.jpg
There are 3 pro referees on the court, all saw it and they got the call right.Because miss calls never occur.
Sorry, No. There are a few things at work here:
No defender can make contact inside the restricted area, it doesn't matter if it's a primary or secondary.....even if you have perfect position and the edge of your heel is in the restricted area then it is a defensive foul...this is called all the time.
Blake was already in the air when Pau came over, it's the same thing as walking under a shooter....automatic defensive foul.
The moment there is any contact at all under the above circumstances it is automatically a defensive foul... << What the **** is this shit? it then doesn't matter what Blake does, there are no offsetting fouls on shots.
It's just like a guy driving to the basket getting fouled, taking 2 steps on his layup but then getting fouled again stopping him from getting the shot off.
There would only be 1 foul recorded.....against the first defender and only 2 free throws shot not 2 or 3......get it?
There are 3 pro referees on the court, all saw it and they got the call right.
Restricted Area: Any player may be in the “restricted area” if the offensive player receives the ball in the lower defensive box. If contact between players takes place on this type of play it does not necessarily mean a foul has been committed. The official must judge whether the contact is negligible and/or incidental, judging each situation separately.
So here we establish that contact inside the restricted does not automatically warrant the defensive player a personal foul. It's the severity of the contact.
In this situation, the defensive player made a legal play on the ball, however an elbow the face from the offensive player gave him the disadvantage. It's ****ing a extended elbow the face. How dense do people have to be to not grasp this concept? The restricted area and whatever rule that binds around it holds no merit when a there's ****ing elbow the face. Sheesh.
Kevin_Gamble
04-05-2012, 04:31 PM
It's getting really difficult not to wish for other players to rough up Griffin now. Flopping and whining like a bitch is one thing, but Griffin plays with no regard to other players' safety, and expects the NBA and the refs to back him up, which they do.
SavageMode
04-05-2012, 04:32 PM
That elbow was unintended, that's the dunking motion you have to make to dunk like that. Seriously get off Gasol's nuts, he got raped.
3 Officials, JVG, and Kobe even said it was a legit play and not an offensive foul. It was a defensive foul, the elbow was just the unintended casualty.
LA_Showtime
04-05-2012, 04:32 PM
Yeah it was. He stiff-armed Gasol in the face. That shit ain't legal.
That elbow was unintended, that's the dunking motion you have to make to dunk like that. Seriously get off Gasol's nuts, he got raped.
3 Officials, JVG, and Kobe even said it was a legit play and not an offensive foul. It was a defensive foul, the elbow was just the unintended casualty.
I don't give two shits a homeless cracker about Gasol, 3 officials, JVG and a rapist. It does not matter if the elbow was unintended. It is automatically a foul when in elbow comes in contact in any situation. In this one particularly, it gave Griffin a huge and unfair advantage. No elbow, no dunk.
Please, people, grasp this concept. You can't be this dumb. I won't allow it.
Phong
04-05-2012, 04:37 PM
I don't give two shits a homeless cracker about Gasol, 3 officials, JVG and a rapist. It does not matter if the elbow was unintended. It is automatically a foul when in elbow comes in contact in any situation. In this one particularly, it gave Griffin a huge and unfair advantage. No elbow, no dunk.
Please, people, grasp this concept. You can't be this dumb. I won't allow it.You see, poking a guy in the eye unintentionally is a foul. But elbowing a guy in the face unintentionally isn't. How can't you not understand this? :confusedshrug:
You see, poking a guy in the eye unintentionally is a foul. But elbowing a guy in the face unintentionally isn't. How can't you not understand this? :confusedshrug:
They're just so.. stupid... :facepalm
N0Skillz
04-05-2012, 04:45 PM
How fckn blind do you have to be to not see that was an offensive foul. Really guys? I hope your not that fckn dumb.
LA_Showtime
04-05-2012, 05:02 PM
How fckn blind do you have to be to not see that was an offensive foul. Really guys? I hope your not that fckn dumb.
I'm sort of glad they didn't call a foul though. Watching Gasol get absolutely annihilated was hilarious. Hope he learns from it and fouls the shit outta Griffin next time.
gasol is just a soft b!tch. that ho bag always gets the facial business. :oldlol:
TheAesirsFinest
04-05-2012, 05:10 PM
[QUOTE=Phong]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_G8Q46hGus
:sleeping
[B]NBA
bleedinpurpleTwo
04-05-2012, 05:10 PM
Blake was mugging Gasol all night...and getting away with it. Refs obviously turned a blind eye to it...at both ends.
Blake was the worst, but the entire Clipps team embarrassed themselves last night by hacking relentlessly...or, as they would say, "playing tough". And they got away with it...yet still lost.
Fiasco
04-05-2012, 05:12 PM
According to the rulebook, if a player starts his drive (or makes the catch) inside the lower defensive box, the restricted area is negated and a player can take a charge inside of it.
Except this is where Griffin makes his catch and starts dunking:
http://i.imgur.com/gymmV.jpg
Outside the LDB... so..
Except this is where Griffin makes his catch and starts dunking:
http://i.imgur.com/gymmV.jpg
Outside the LDB... so..
Don't breed.
LA_Showtime
04-05-2012, 05:37 PM
I can't believe anyone seriously thinks it wasn't an offensive foul. You can't stiff-arm in the NBA. I'd like to see anyone simply stiff-arm a guy out of his way and see what happens. The only reason it wasn't called was because the refs were probably admiring his freaky athleticism. :oldlol:
Phong
04-05-2012, 05:37 PM
Except this is where Griffin makes his catch and starts dunking:
http://i.imgur.com/gymmV.jpg
Outside the LDB... so..:facepalm
http://nsa22.casimages.com/img/2012/04/05/120405114923926906.jpg
Fiasco
04-05-2012, 05:38 PM
Don't breed.
I thought you were better than that.
Fiasco
04-05-2012, 05:39 PM
:facepalm
http://nsa22.casimages.com/img/2012/04/05/120405114923926906.jpg
Ah ok. My understanding was flawed. Thanks for pointing it out.
But he still caught it arguably outside the LDB.
http://i.imgur.com/IdrBa.jpg
Phong
04-05-2012, 05:45 PM
But he still caught it arguably outside the LDB.
His trailing foot is outside. Look at where the rest of his body and the ball are.
I thought you were better than that.
Well I don't know you, but I think very less of you after this argument.
brantonli
04-05-2012, 05:46 PM
I don't believe it was 'unintentional'. This is a guy who's spent years dunking and dunking on people, you think Nowitzki's knee up is 'unintentional'? The other arm players love using to create space? I'm not saying it can't be, but I'm extremely doubtful.
I don't believe it was 'unintentional'. This is a guy who's spent years dunking and dunking on people, you think Nowitzki's knee up is 'unintentional'? The other arm players love using to create space? I'm not saying it can't be, but I'm extremely doubtful.
It doesn't even matter if it was unintentional or not...
No no, it's the DUNKING MOTION!! Just like when you grab a rebound and flail your elbow into someones face, it's the natural flailing motion!!
In all seriousness, Blake loves to clear out with his off arm when he dunks, it's a foul if he clears 'em out. Only bias nuts will think it's not, nothing you can do. They missed the call on Gasol, they missed a number of calls but that happens, people that whine about reffing are just being irrational things don't always go your way in life.. Doesn't mean someone is specifically out to get you.
Move on people.
Fiasco
04-05-2012, 06:00 PM
His trailing foot is outside. Look at where the rest of his body and the ball are.
http://i.imgur.com/Ur60G.jpg
I took a better screen from the NBA video on YT. To me it looks like his right foot is barely outside the LDB when he catches it.
Maybe the homer glasses are a little rosey, though.
Well I don't know you, but I think very less of you after this argument.
I couldn't care less what you think about me. There just isn't any need to disparage someone on that level.
Al Thornton
04-05-2012, 06:03 PM
u guys are weird.
LBJMVP
04-05-2012, 06:10 PM
1st dunk = no foul
2nd dunk = blantant foul
senelcoolidge
04-05-2012, 06:20 PM
Griffin was strong enough to power through even with contact from Pau. What's the big deal. Lot's of Griffin hate. The guy is confident and he's a Clipper..not a good formula. The guy is in his 2nd season and slowly putting a great game together..possible K. Malone 2.0. laker fans can't be satisfied with the win..they have to cry about anything. Haters will find anything to hate. Last season Blake had a dunk on Gortat that was called an offensive foul..which it wasn't. The two dunks were legal..get over it. Stop crying.
tpols
04-05-2012, 06:43 PM
Griffin was strong enough to power through even with contact from Pau. What's the big deal. Lot's of Griffin hate. The guy is confident and he's a Clipper..not a good formula. The guy is in his 2nd season and slowly putting a great game together..possible K. Malone 2.0. laker fans can't be satisfied with the win..they have to cry about anything. Haters will find anything to hate. Last season Blake had a dunk on Gortat that was called an offensive foul..which it wasn't. The two dunks were legal..get over it. Stop crying.
:oldlol:
There was NO contact from Pau. Pau jumped towards him to challenge the dunk but before he could even hit him with his body he got a forearm from 2 feet away to bend his neck back and send him to the ground. Gasol never got a chance to foul Griffin because he was shoved off.
Flagrant 2
04-05-2012, 06:45 PM
Former NBA ref Mike Mathis called in to 710 ESPN and confirmed it was an offensive foul.
Rake2204
04-05-2012, 09:57 PM
it was all incidental contact. Blake's dunking motion when he goes for the tomahawk slam, he has to lead with his left forearm going down. and Pau was was in the wrong place at the wrong time. its a clear blocking foul before the 'offensive foul' happened. if it was an offensive foul in the first place.
I am in complete and full agreement. Even on wide open breakaways, it is completely common for that arm to naturally come high: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnVC_t2ufR4 . It is a natural jumping motion, every day of the week.
LA_Showtime
04-05-2012, 10:36 PM
What does it matter if it's intentional or not? Bynum could accidentally kick Barea in the face and I don't think it'd be okay because it was a mistake. Some people...
Rake2204
04-05-2012, 10:41 PM
What does it matter if it's intentional or not? Bynum could accidentally kick Barea in the face and I don't think it'd be okay because it was a mistake. Some people...
I'm saying it's a natural basketball movement, like the right knee coming upward on a right-handed layup attempt. Every time he (and most others) jump for a dunk of this nature, the arm naturally comes up in a normal fashion. It should not be a foul on Griffin because someone chose run their head into the buzz saw.
Whoah10115
04-05-2012, 10:46 PM
Blake's dunk on Gasol was an offensive foul.
Give me a break.
BallsOut
04-05-2012, 11:01 PM
Get over it. Maybe if Pau was standing still in front of Griffin and not jumping into Blake while he was already in the air mid-dunk. Learn the rules.
Pau jumped into his elbow.
You do realize how incredibly stupid this sounds?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
thejumpa
04-05-2012, 11:08 PM
No such thing as an offensive foul when you get dunked on. You got dunked on...period. They got the ball back right? lol take it like a man and move on....which Pau did.....
....only to get dunked on again smh
MontaEllis24
04-05-2012, 11:22 PM
You do realize how incredibly stupid this sounds?
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:crazysam: crazy sam says next time jump into a brickwall.
TOUCH MY BODY
04-05-2012, 11:23 PM
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RaininTwos
04-05-2012, 11:25 PM
Yeah it was. He stiff-armed Gasol in the face. That shit ain't legal.
this
Go Getter
04-05-2012, 11:31 PM
Dude elbowed him, slung it on him, then pushed 'im over.
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This is why I don't blame players for hard fouling him.
It's almost a life and death matter out there with him.
Pau's rep is official dead.
LA_Showtime
04-05-2012, 11:46 PM
I like how some people think the fact that it was an offensive foul is some outrageous personal attack on Blake Griffin. Give me a break.
"Gasol jumped into his elbow." That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
senelcoolidge
04-06-2012, 04:23 AM
Former NBA ref Mike Mathis called in to 710 ESPN and confirmed it was an offensive foul.
Dude, that's 710 of course they are going to say it was an offensive foul. That is the most bias station..they are so pro-laker it's not even funny. They are paid to say good things about the lakers even when they suck.
wagexslave
04-06-2012, 04:29 AM
Is this a bad attempt to troll?
According the the nba's rules and regulations:
I don't think he was intentionally trying to harm Pau. But it's pretty clear he lead with a forearm/elbow and made contact with Gasol in the head.
SavageMode, just shut up and let us charish this dance.
What is this "NBA Rules" thing you're referring to? This is Blake Griffin we're talking about, not the rest of the NBA. He's special. :rolleyes:
The Redemption
04-06-2012, 04:36 AM
It's so funny. If you guys would watch 70's-90's basketball (peak) you'd see this kind of shit would of been worshiped. Instead we have a bunch of softies crying about offensive fouls and how dirty it was. Grow some nuts.
Tenchi Ryu
04-06-2012, 04:39 AM
It's so funny. If you guys would watch 70's-90's basketball (peak) you'd see this kind of shit would of been worshiped. Instead we have a bunch of softies crying about offensive fouls and how dirty it was. Grow some nuts.
GTFO with that bullshit, if you wanna play a man's game, be prepared to play a man's game. Griffin's crybaby ass would be the first one bitching and complaining if he got his ass laid out, that's the only reason people don't drop his ass more often.
I don't support no bitch made shit where you can dish it, but turn pussified when it comes back to you.
The Redemption
04-06-2012, 04:41 AM
GTFO with that bullshit, if you wanna play a man's game, be prepared to play a man's game. Griffin's crybaby ass would be the first one bitching and complaining if he got his ass laid out, that's the only reason people don't drop his ass more often.
I don't support no bitch made shit where you can dish it, but turn pussified when it comes back to you.
Then why do you support Derrick Rose the guy who depends on refs to protect him and make him what he is? If you put Rose in the 90's, kid would be lucky to average 10 points a game.
Tenchi Ryu
04-06-2012, 04:44 AM
Then why do you support Derrick Rose the guy who depends on refs to protect him and make him what he is? If you put Rose in the 90's, kid would be lucky to average 10 points a game.
Rose gets beat the **** up, and STILL makes crazy shots, thats what makes him a superstar in the first place. He complains cause its bias shit going around, if you gonna pamper folks, you can't be picking and choosing (Wade, Griffin to name a few.)
The Redemption
04-06-2012, 04:47 AM
Rose gets beat the **** up, and STILL makes crazy shots, thats what makes him a superstar in the first place. He complains cause its bias shit going around, if you gonna pamper folks, you can't be picking and choosing (Wade, Griffin to name a few.)
:oldlol: at not grouping Rose with those guys. Wade and Rose both have identical free throw attempts a game. How is he not getting calls?
gtfomyface
04-06-2012, 04:53 AM
if someone pushed griffin like that there's no doubt in my mind he'd roll off the court and stay down :oldlol:
Sorry, No. There are a few things at work here:
No defender can make contact inside the restricted area, it doesn't matter if it's a primary or secondary.....even if you have perfect position and the edge of your heel is in the restricted area then it is a defensive foul...this is called all the time.
Good to know. Next time I see a defender in the restricted area, I'm punching him in the dick as I shoot, which will be an automatic foul on his dick.
MJ(Mean John)
04-06-2012, 05:17 AM
Hmmm not sure if serious.
Someone doesn't know the rules of basketball..
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