Remaining games for Dallas, Denver, Houston, Phoenix and Utah

[DMV2]

Dallas 35-28 (they're basically in with 1 more win but trying to hold 6th seed)
Apr. 20 Golden State 8:30
Apr. 21 at Chicago 8:00
Apr. 26 at Atlanta 8:00

Houston 32-30 (need all 4 and at least one loss by Utah or two loses from Phoenix)
Apr. 19 at New Orleans 8:00
Apr. 21 Golden State 8:00
Apr. 22 at Miami 6:00
Apr. 26 New Orleans 8:00

Denver 34-28 (needs three wins and two loses from Dallas to take 6th seed. two wins and 1 loss from Utah would keep Nuggets at 7th seed)
Apr. 21 at Phoenix 5:30
Apr. 22 Orlando 8:00
Apr. 25 at Oklahoma City 8:00
Apr. 26 at Minnesota 8:00

Utah 33-30 (win out and two loses from Denver, Jazz take 7th seed)
Apr. 21 Orlando 10:30
Apr. 24 Phoenix 9:00
Apr. 26 Portland 8:00

Phoenix 32-30 (win out to beat out Utah for 8th seed. win out and three loses from Denver to take 7th seed)
Apr. 19 Los Angeles CLIPPERS 10:30
Apr. 21 Denver 5:30
Apr. 24 at Utah 9:00
Apr. 25 San Antonio 10:30

Dallas owns tie-breaker over Denver, Phoenix and Utah.

Denver owns tie-breaker over Phoenix and Houston.
Utah owns tie-breaker over Denver and Houston.
Phoenix owns tie-breaker over Utah.
Houston and Phoenix were tied, 2-2.

[RaininTwos]

Denver is playing against which LA bro...you gotta be specific.

[DMAVS41]

Dallas
Apr. 12 at Golden State 10:30 (Tonight)
Apr. 13 at Portland 10:30 (Friday night)
Apr. 15 at Los Angeles 3:30 (Sunday)
Apr. 16 at Utah 9:00
Apr. 18 Houston 8:30
Apr. 20 Golden State 8:30
Apr. 21 at Chicago 8:00
Apr. 26 at Atlanta 8:00

They should be able to get 4 or 5 wins out of the remaining 8 games. 6 games on the road is gonna tough though.

Houston
Apr. 13 Phoenix 8:00 (Friday)
Apr. 15 at Denver 8:00 (Sunday)
Apr. 16 Denver 8:00
Apr. 18 at Dallas 8:30
Apr. 19 at New Orleans 8:00
Apr. 21 Golden State 8:00
Apr. 22 at Miami 6:00
Apr. 26 New Orleans 8:00

The Rockets next 4 games are against teams fighting for their playoff spots but 3 of their last 4 are against sub-500 teams. If they get 3 or sweep the first four opponents, they're guaranteed a playoff spot.

Denver
Apr. 13 at Los Angeles 10:30
Apr. 15 Houston 8:00
Apr. 16 at Houston 8:00
Apr. 18 Los Angeles 9:00
Apr. 21 at Phoenix 5:30
Apr. 22 Orlando 8:00
Apr. 25 at Oklahoma City 8:00
Apr. 26 at Minnesota 8:00

Yikes! :eek: Can you get more than 2 wins out of these 8 games?

Utah
Apr. 13 at New Orleans 8:00
Apr. 14 at Memphis 8:00
Apr. 16 Dallas 9:00
Apr. 18 at Portland 10:00
Apr. 21 Orlando 10:30
Apr. 24 Phoenix 9:00
Apr. 26 Portland 8:00

This is a tougher schedule than I thought but at least there's no Lakers or Thunder on the menu. Their next 3 games(all road games) would make or break their playoff chances.

I think the Rockets for sure make it. Then its between Mavs, Nuggets, and Jazz for the final two spots.

The Jazz have the easiest schedule, but are two games behind in the loss column. The Nuggets have a pretty damn hard schedule.

I still think the Mavs miss out. I just have this weird feeling. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we lose tonight @ Warriors and lose @ Blazers as well. Our best hope is for the either the Nuggets or Jazz to just fall apart and we make it by default due to the tiebreaker situation.

[DMV2]

Denver is playing against which LA bro...you gotta be specific.
First game is against Lakers and second one is against Clippers

EDITED OP to list which LA team.

[DMV2]

I think the Rockets for sure make it. Then its between Mavs, Nuggets, and Jazz for the final two spots.

The Jazz have the easiest schedule, but are two games behind in the loss column. The Nuggets have a pretty damn hard schedule.

I still think the Mavs miss out. I just have this weird feeling. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we lose tonight @ Warriors and lose @ Blazers as well. Our best hope is for the either the Nuggets or Jazz to just fall apart and we make it by default due to the tiebreaker situation.
I think Dallas and Houston should be able to make it.

It's between Denver, Utah and Phoenix for the 8th seed. The Nuggets schedule is brutal but they can get lucky if those great teams sit out their stars.

Should probably take a note of that factor. The Thunder, Lakers, Spurs might sit their starters if their seeding is set in stone. I'm hoping it's a close run between for HCA through out the WC or even Finals, that way they can still play hard until the final game.

[DMAVS41]

I think Dallas and Houston should be able to make it.

It's between Denver, Utah and Phoenix for the 8th seed. The Nuggets schedule is brutal but they can get lucky if those great teams sit out their stars.

Should probably take a note of that factor. The Thunder, Lakers, Spurs might sit their starters if their seeding is set in stone. I'm hoping it's a close run between for HCA through out the WC or even Finals, that way they can still play hard until the final game.

The suns play at houston and at spurs the next two games. They have to at least win one of those...perhaps both to stay alive. If they lose both they are done. Then they have games against the thunder, clippers, nuggets, and jazz. They play those teams before any of them would sit starters.

I just see the Jazz getting hot. The Rockets making it for sure because they have the best team....It will be interesting to see what the nuggets do. Really hoping they lose to the Lakers and then drop both to the Rockets.

I'm a huge Rockets fan from here on out...unless they fall apart. Normally I'd say the Mavs just need to take care of business and win 5 of our remaining 8 games, but I don't think they are capable.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

The Suns are ****ed unless Nash pulls some magic trick off no POs for the Suns

[Rnbizzle]

6. Houston
7. Dallas
8. Utah

Book it.

[Xiao Yao You]

Millsap hurt his wrist. See how he is before you make any predictions.

[swi7ch]

trivia time: who was the last team to win a title and then miss the playoffs the following year?

don't use google!

[PHaYze]

trivia time: who was the last team to win a title and then miss the playoffs the following year?

don't use google!
06 miami

[mountainmamba]

trivia time: who was the last team to win a title and then miss the playoffs the following year?

don't use google!


celtics missed the playoffs then won the title the following year does that count?

[garubu]

Time for the Manimal to be unleashed from his chain and carry the nuggets to that 6th seed! :rockon:

[DG#8]

Nuggz 6-2 at worst

[brantonli]

06 miami

I thought they got beaten in the first round after their championship?


I think the answer is 98 Bulls, after their 2nd threepeat.

[Droid101]

06 miami
False. They made the playoffs, but got swept out by Kirk Hinrich's and Ben Gordon's INVINCIBulls.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

The answer is the Boston Celtics. The year after Russell retired.

[NuggetsFan]

That stretch for Denver is brutal. Positive is if Denver pulls it off there going to be pretty prepared for the playoffs. Negative is they might not pull it off and miss the playoffs :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Millsap's wrist is just sprained and he is day to day so they still have a shot if they can get Harris and Jefferson to pass the ball once in a while.

[DMV2]

4 huge games tonight. All 5 teams are playing, all are must wins for each. Other than the Rockets, 4 of them are on the road.

Jazz at Hornets (Let's go Jazz! )
Phoenix at Houston (I'm cheering for the Suns to add an L to Houston)
Mavs at Portland (Go Blazers)
Denver at Lakers (GO LAKERS!!! :eek: )

[DMV2]

OP is edited with the last 4 or 5 games for each team.

Suns are in 8th seed now but they got the Thunder, Clips and Spurs...as well as a big showdown at Utsh. Still a tight race between all teams.



Dallas
Apr. 18 Houston 8:30
Apr. 20 Golden State 8:30
Apr. 21 at Chicago 8:00
Apr. 26 at Atlanta 8:00

Houston
Apr. 18 at Dallas 8:30
Apr. 19 at New Orleans 8:00
Apr. 21 Golden State 8:00
Apr. 22 at Miami 6:00
Apr. 26 New Orleans 8:00

Denver
Apr. 18 Los Angeles CLIPPERS 9:00
Apr. 21 at Phoenix 5:30
Apr. 22 Orlando 8:00
Apr. 25 at Oklahoma City 8:00
Apr. 26 at Minnesota 8:00

Utah
Apr. 18 at Portland 10:00
Apr. 21 Orlando 10:30
Apr. 24 Phoenix 9:00
Apr. 26 Portland 8:00

Phoenix
Apr. 18 Oklahoma City 10:00
Apr. 19 Los Angeles CLIPPERS 10:30
Apr. 21 Denver 5:30
Apr. 24 at Utah 9:00
Apr. 25 San Antonio 10:30

[Jasper]

lov to see PHX in ... but their schedule is just plan brutal.

I think the question is where does Houston , Philly and Boston lands ???
I think if Boston lands in the 4th seed , they will get to the east finals...
I just sense the Bulls get bumped out early.

[kurple]

two huge wins vs the rockets

[KOBEtherealKing]

Dallas
Apr. 18 Houston 8:30 W
Apr. 20 Golden State 8:30 W
Apr. 21 at Chicago 8:00 L
Apr. 26 at Atlanta 8:00 W

Houston
Apr. 18 at Dallas 8:30 L
Apr. 19 at New Orleans 8:00 W
Apr. 21 Golden State 8:00 W
Apr. 22 at Miami 6:00 L
Apr. 26 New Orleans 8:00 W

Denver
Apr. 18 Los Angeles CLIPPERS 9:00 W
Apr. 21 at Phoenix 5:30 W
Apr. 22 Orlando 8:00 W
Apr. 25 at Oklahoma City 8:00 L
Apr. 26 at Minnesota 8:00 W

Utah
Apr. 18 at Portland 10:00 L
Apr. 21 Orlando 10:30 W
Apr. 24 Phoenix 9:00 W
Apr. 26 Portland 8:00 W

Phoenix
Apr. 18 Oklahoma City 10:00 L
Apr. 19 Los Angeles CLIPPERS 10:30 L
Apr. 21 Denver 5:30 L
Apr. 24 at Utah 9:00 L
Apr. 25 San Antonio 10:30 L

its a toss up for phoenix, they could possibly win the Utah game.

[nashwade]

the Suns have the worst schedule to end the season...

they can potentially win against Spurs who will likely rest the big 3 and Jazz

[DMV2]

The Suns-Jazz game is in Utah, where they Jazz are 20-8 but Nash recently hit a game-winner there. It could go either way.

If the Jazz can't win in Portland then they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. They're in position to win all 4 remaining games. Magic are without Howard, and the Suns game at home.

[wagexslave]

The Suns have beat the Clippers twice this year, and Utah twice as well. What makes you guys so sure that those games are a guaranteed loss for the Suns? :wtf:

[DMV2]

The Suns have beat the Clippers twice this year, and Utah twice as well. What makes you guys so sure that those games are a guaranteed loss for the Suns? :wtf:
Who said it was a guaranteed loss?

[Jyap9675]

Denver and dallas in for sure.

Now the last spot, I am predicting houston will win 3 out of the 4 games. So if phoenix can win 3 out of the 5, they will be in. Very very hard, but 4 of them are home games and we recently had a huge win at Portland.. So we still got a chance.

[brantonli]

The Rockets :facepalm seriously we played terribly and I swear McHale is trying to tank. But anyway, I'd be very surprised if we make it to the playoffs.

[Scholar]

I hope the Suns do win the last few games of the season. I'd like to see Nash in the POs again, even if he isn't with a dominant team any longer. One of my favorite players of all-time, really.

[DMV2]

All 5 teams are playing tonight. Denver and Dallas can possibly secure a playoff spot with wins. Must win for the other 3 teams.

Nuggets host the Clippers (Clips gunning for the division, Denver trying to stay in 6th seed)
Rockets visit Dallas*
Phoenix hosts the Thunder#
Utah at Portland#

*Mavs win, they're in. Houston loss, they're most likely out.
#Must win for the Jazz(vs Blazers) and Suns(vs OKC)

[LosBulls]

Nuggets and Utah please.

[DMAVS41]

It's sad that I have no confidence whatsoever that the Mavs can beat the Rockets at home in a must win type game.

The Mavs best bet remains that the Suns and Jazz just fall apart down the stretch because I could easily see the Mavs going 1-3 in the remaining 4.

Hopefully 35 wins gets in...

[chazzy]

Suns are probably out, that's a tough schedule

[DMAVS41]

Suns are probably out, that's a tough schedule

Yea...it is. But 4 of the games come at home. The Spurs might rest everyone the last game....and beating Utah in Utah is hardly impossible.

The game tonight is the big one in my opinion. If they win that...I could see them finishing very strong. Lose and I think you'll see them fall apart.

[HylianNightmare]

houston is gone

[DMV2]

Dallas(35-28) defeated Houston(32-30)
Mavs are definitely in, and could get win #36 on Friday vs Warriors(tanking). Mavs are now in 6th seed by a half of a game.
Rockets can still play for the 8th seed as they still have the Hornets(2x) and Warriors left to play.

Nuggets(34-28) lost to the Clips.
Denver are now in 7th seed, 1/2 game behind Dallas for #6.
Clippers gets a game closer to the other LA for their division.

Jazz(32-30) are blowing out the Blazers by 21 in Portland. 4th Q left to play. Devin Harris had 25 points at halftime!

Suns(32-29) trailing to the Thunder by 3 late in the 3rd.

[garubu]

Who owns the tie breaker between rockets, suns, and rockets? Whoever does i think that team gets the 8th spot. Mavs #6 nuggz #7 is my lock.

[fsvr54]

Jazz is getting the 8th seed.

[Whoah10115]

Well...oh well...I still think Phoenix will get in.

[DMV2]

Dallas(35-28) defeated Houston(32-30)
Mavs are definitely in, and could get win #36 on Friday vs Warriors(tanking). Mavs are now in 6th seed by a half of a game.
Rockets can still play for the 8th seed as they still have the Hornets(2x) and Warriors left to play.

Nuggets(34-28) lost to the Clips.
Denver are now in 7th seed, 1/2 game behind Dallas for #6.
Clippers gets a game closer to the other LA for their division.

Jazz(33-30) win in Portland. Devin Harris had 25 points at halftime!

Suns(32-30) lost to OKCUpdate

Who owns the tie breaker between rockets, suns, and rockets? Whoever does i think that team gets the 8th spot. Mavs #6 nuggz #7 is my lock.
Dallas owns tie-breaker over Denver, Phoenix and Utah.

Denver owns tie-breaker over Phoenix and Houston.
Utah owns tie-breaker over Denver and Houston.
Phoenix owns tie-breaker over Utah.
Houston and Phoenix were tied, 2-2.

Shit is crazy!

[DMV2]

I updated the OP with seeding scenario, not 100% accurate but I think it's a pretty good calculation based on the tie-breakers.

Key number is 36 (wins).

-Dallas get one more win to get to 36, they're automatically are a 6th or 7th seed team. 37 wins and one loss from Denver, the Mavs are officially 6th seed.

-For Denver to take 6th seed, they must win all 4 games and have the Mavs lose 1 more game. If they win 3, they must have the Jazz get 1 loss to keep 7th seed.

-Utah can actually take 7th seed with 3 wins and 1 loss from Denver. 2 wins, they'll need the Suns to lose 2 to keep 8th seed, and the Nuggets to lose 3 to take 7th.

-Phoenix can take 7th seed with 4 more wins and 1 loss by Denver. Can take 8th seed by winning all 4 games. 3 wins and 1 Jazz loss can still keep them at 8th. Basically, they just have to match Utah's record to beat out the Jazz.

-Houston is in the same boat as Phoenix but they need one Jazz loss if Utah is ahead of Phoenix. They can't match Utah's record since the Jazz own the tie-breaker.

[LiLharvard]

If the Spurs secure the #1 seed a game before they play the suns (and I'm assuming that phx will win all three games prior to the spurs) do you think popovic will tank/rest players for the game with the knowledge that a loss would result in phx getting the #8 seed and they have handled them pretty comfortably this season and a first round matchup could be as easy as it comes. Surely they'd prefer to play suns over jazz.

[alenleomessi]

yeah i think jazz got the 8th seed

[Jyap9675]

As a suns fan, I think Utah's got the 8th seed. We dont deserve the spot after getting smashed by both spurs and okc. Utah's got more talent, even Houston.

Time to let Nash go and start rebuilding, we missed playoffs 2 years in a row.

[Xiao Yao You]

Nash and Gortot have owned the Jazz. That game is huge!

[Xiao Yao You]

Arguable as to whether the Jazz have more talent than the Suns. They'll be the least talented team in the playoffs. Their offensive system is what sets them apart. Once they get some more players that fit the system like Millsap and Hayward they might do something with it.

[Jyap9675]

Who does suns have lol? Outside of Nash I could only see Gortat and possibly Redd. Utah's got Jefferson, Millsap, Hayward, Favors, Burks?

I miss the 2010 suns..

[Xiao Yao You]

If the Jazz had Nash instead of Harris they'd be one of the top teams in the west. Jazz could run the pick and roll again even if they still couldn't defend it. They'd have a pg. I'd say you're greatly under appreciating him.

[wagexslave]

Who does suns have lol? Outside of Nash I could only see Gortat and possibly Redd. Utah's got Jefferson, Millsap, Hayward, Favors, Burks?

I miss the 2010 suns..
Big name players don't mean everything... Phoenix's production is distributed through out the whole team. Basically it's whoever Nash passes to the most scores the most. lol

[miller-time]

i think the suns are out of contention. they needed a few more wins to be safe. based on who they are playing i don't see them making it.

[Jyap9675]

If the Jazz had Nash instead of Harris they'd be one of the top teams in the west.

Agreed. That will be a hell of a team lol, but that's my point.. Nash just doesnt have a good supporting cast.


Big name players don't mean everything... Phoenix's production is distributed through out the whole team. Basically it's whoever Nash passes to the most scores the most. lol

Yep sure, then how come we are in the brink of playoff elimination after losing Stoudemire etc opposed to having a 54-28 record back in 2010?

If I'm a OKC/Spurs fan, I'd rather face suns than utah/houston.

[Xiao Yao You]

Agreed. That will be a hell of a team lol, but that's my point.. Nash just doesnt have a good supporting cast.

But Nash is a star with role players. Jazz are just a bunch of role players. That's the difference.


If I'm a OKC/Spurs fan, I'd rather face suns than utah/houston.

Spurs have owned the Jazz for a long time. Doubt they want to play anyone else.

[Jyap9675]

But Nash is a star with role players. Jazz are just a bunch of role players. That's the difference.

Okay, but Jazz have two "2012 Rising Stars" in Hayward and Favors.. are they just a bunch of role players? lol. Are Millsap and Jefferson only role players too? damn.



Spurs have owned the Jazz for a long time. Doubt they want to play anyone else.

Head to Head

phx spurs
2 7

jazz spurs
4 6

houston spurs
3 5

Really? Jazz just killed spurs in their last game anyway, Suns have worse record than Jazz from their last games against spurs.

http://www.goalwire.com/en/statistics_and_tables/basketball/usa/nba/utah_jazz_vs_san_antonio_spurs/2222168/

http://www.goalwire.com/en/statistics_and_tables/basketball/usa/nba/phoenix_suns_vs_san_antonio_spurs/1456548/

[Xiao Yao You]

Okay, but Jazz have two "2012 Rising Stars" in Hayward and Favors.

Phoenix has a pretty good rookie too I believe.


are they just a bunch of role players? lol. Are Millsap and Jefferson only role players too?

Pretty much. Millsap could be a star once they figure out Jefferson isn't the answer in the middle. Jefferson for Nash? Jefferson for Gortat? Hayward looks like he could be too eventually. Favors has a long ways to go at the offensive end before he's anything but a role player. Phoenix has certainly looked a lot better than the Jazz in their 2 meetings this year.



Head to Head

phx spurs
2 7

jazz spurs
4 6

houston spurs
3 5

?


Jazz just killed spurs in their last game anyway

Yeah they beat them but they certainly didn't kill them. What's the chances of Popovich sitting the big 3 against them in the playoffs though?

[Jyap9675]

Yea, thats the head to head matchups up top. You can see that spurs have higher winning percentages against suns(7-2) than jazz(6-4) so dont say "doubt they want to play anyone else" with spurs.

I am not convinced that jazz only have a bunch of role players. They are certainly not "all stars". Certainly very young, lots of recently drafted players.

Who cares anyway if they are just a "bunch of role players".. Is that a bad thing? As long as they are winning and that is what its all about.

We'll see who goes through

[DMV2]

Two of the 5 teams are playing tonight. Must win for HOU and PHX. Clippers also can tie the Lakers with a win in their battle for the Pacific crown.

Houston at New Orleans
Suns host the Clippers



Jazz just killed spurs in their last game anyway,
Duncan, Parker and Manu didn't want make the trip up to Salt Lake City and the Spurs still played a good game in a losing effort. :lol

[Troutfisch]

Houston 32-30 (need all 4 and at least one loss by Utah or two loses from Phoenix)
Apr. 19 at New Orleans 8:00
Apr. 21 Golden State 8:00
Apr. 22 at Miami 6:00
Apr. 26 New Orleans 8:00

Yeah, this isn't happening. We'll probably drop one of the NO games for no reason and no way we're getting the W in Miami.

14th pick here we come...:cry:

[brantonli]

Rockets doing well in the first half against the Hornets, leading 47-37.

[fsvr54]

Houston just choked bigtime against the ****ing Hornets. The Jazz is getting the 8th seed for sure.

[DMV2]

Houston just choked bigtime against the ****ing Hornets. The Jazz is getting the 8th seed for sure.
Not yet.

Jazz have to beat out the Suns by finishing with 1 more win than them. Or have to match the Nuggets' wins.

[Droid101]

Not yet.

Jazz have to beat out the Suns by finishing with 1 more win than them. Or have to match the Nuggets' wins.
Suns look like they really want it. I guess Suns stay at 8th.

[Jyap9675]

Update: Houston Rockets out of playoff contention after losing to the Heat.

Pho @ Utah .
If Utah wins they secure the 8th spot.
If Phoenix wins, they need to win against San Antonio or if they lose.. Hope Utah loses to the Trail Blazers since they hold the tie breaker.

[fsvr54]

I'd much rather see the Jazz in the playoffs.

[joshwake]

I really like the big lineup for Utah: 1-Harris 2-Hayward 3-Milsap 4-Favors 5-Jefferson/Kanter.

With Milsap and Jefferson at the 4 and 5 respectively the Jazz are pathetic on D, just look at how they get off to slow starts almost every 1st quarter. Hopefully they can get this big lineup some good practice time next season during training camp. I think it is a deadly combo.

[Xiao Yao You]

I really like the big lineup for Utah: 1-Harris 2-Hayward 3-Milsap 4-Favors 5-Jefferson/Kanter.

With Milsap and Jefferson at the 4 and 5 respectively the Jazz are pathetic on D

It never made any sense to acquire Jefferson with Millsap already in place. Hopefully Al will be gone by training camp.


Hopefully they can get this big lineup some good practice time next season during training camp. I think it is a deadly combo.

Jefferson and Harris need to go. They can only go so far with an offense revolving around those two isolating themselves. They need to start looking towards the future and building around Millsap and Hayward, the two guys that do fit into what they do, with others that fit what they do. Harris and Jefferson have hopefully made themselves more valuable with their numbers.

[Yung D-Will]

I really like the big lineup for Utah: 1-Harris 2-Hayward 3-Milsap 4-Favors 5-Jefferson/Kanter.

With Milsap and Jefferson at the 4 and 5 respectively the Jazz are pathetic on D, just look at how they get off to slow starts almost every 1st quarter. Hopefully they can get this big lineup some good practice time next season during training camp. I think it is a deadly combo.

Pretty much. At first I was advocating that we get rid of both Millsap and Jefferson but I'd rather keep both at this point.

And yes Xiao we know you hated the Jefferson trade from the beginning because you've felt this franchise should have built around Millsap from the moment he stepped on the court... you could have just copied and pasted your post from a year ago probally woulda taken less effort on your part.

[Xiao Yao You]

you've felt this franchise should have built around Millsap from the moment he stepped on the court.

No but he showed he should have been their starting PF 3 years ago when Boozer went down for a long stretch and he put up similar numbers during that time while not crying about hangnails and putting in an effort defensively. But instead they sent him back to the bench til Boozer got overpaid and took that TPE +3 first rounders to get another PF to play next to him. Could have traded Boozer for the help Deron wanted or the TPE for someone that didn't play the same position as their 2nd best player. Watching the team now I don't know how anyone could not see he and Hayward are their two most important pieces unless they are so struck by Jefferson pump fakes like one poster has been not to mention any names. :D

[DMV2]

Pretty much. At first I was advocating that we get rid of both Millsap and Jefferson but I'd rather keep both at this point.

If we keep both of them, then one of them will be going to the bench for Favors. There's no reason why Favors shouldn't be starting next season. He's already proven he's a better defender and rebounder than both of them.

Offensively, he's not as skilled as them yet but he also haven't gotten the opportunity either. When he does, he's been great. See those wins against the Lakers and Thunder. Jefferson was out during those games.

[Xiao Yao You]

If we keep both of them, then one of them will be going to the bench for Favors.

Well we know Jefferson and his 14 million dollar contract aren't going to the bench. He and Harris need to go! They going to bring them back and keep Favors and Kanter on the bench for years to come? Wouldn't surprise me in the least given the franchise's history. Millsap makes more sense if you are going to utilize him at the 3 and 4 but along with Hayward he is the most important player on the team right now and bringing him off the bench makes it trickier to have him in at the end of the game and he is the most clutch player they have no question.


There's no reason why Favors shouldn't be starting next season. He's already proven he's a better defender and rebounder than both of them.

His offensive game has a long ways to go. Questionable if he is a better rebounder either. When he does it as a full-time starter you can say that. Personally I could see starting Kanter with Millsap if they do get rid of Jefferson. He fits better offensively right now and has shown a lot defensively as well.


See those wins against the Lakers and Thunder. Jefferson was out during those games.

Jefferson being out is the key there. Their offense runs a lot better through Millsap and Hayward than it does through Jefferson and Harris isolations.

[chips93]

If Utah wins they secure the 8th spot.
If Phoenix wins, they need to win against San Antonio or if they lose.. Hope Utah loses to the Trail Blazers since they hold the tie breaker.

PHO holds the tie breaker, they are 2-0 against the jazz this year

[DMV2]

PHO holds the tie breaker, they are 2-0 against the jazz this year
that doesn't matter if the Suns lose tonight's game.

Jazz would be 35-30 if we beat the Suns tonight, who'd be 33-32. each have one game after that. Phoenix needs to beat the Jazz to even use the tie-breaker scenario.

Suns have the Spurs on their last game and the Spurs will most likely sit out their starters. Jazz have the Blazers who have been tanking since they put Aldridge on IR, maybe even before that. Both teams would most likely win their final games.

[Xiao Yao You]

that doesn't matter if the Suns lose tonight's game.

Jazz would be 35-30 if we beat the Suns tonight, who'd be 33-32. each have one game after that.

Suns have the Spurs on their game and the Spurs will most likely sit out their starters. Jazz have the Blazers who have been tanking since they put Aldridge on IR, maybe even before that. Both teams would most likely win their final games.

Jazz should bench Millsap, Jefferson, Harris, Tinsley and Hayward if they win, See what the kids can do in big minutes in the last game. Let Raja and Howard get some burn before the playoffs.

[DMV2]

His(Favors) offensive game has a long ways to go. Questionable if he is a better rebounder either. When he does it as a full-time starter you can say that. Personally I could see starting Kanter with Millsap if they do get rid of Jefferson. He fits better offensively right now and has shown a lot defensively as well.

Wait!....you think Kanter is better than Favors offensively? I don't see that. I have yet to see Kanter finish around the rim/basket. Favors can at least finish throw it down and post up defenders. Kanter usually get blocked or stripped.

[Xiao Yao You]

He looks to be a better fit for their offense right now. He has shown inside/out potential and the willingness to set a screen. I could see Sloan playing Kanter over Favors for sure. Corbin who knows? He continues to add more to the arsenal too. Neither one has shown much passing ability yet. Probably get a better idea after a real NBA summer and training camp what they actually have especially if they get a floor general to make life easier for everyone other than Tinsley.

[Yung D-Will]

It's amazing... Every 1 out of 4 post Xiao takes a shot at Jerry Sloan

[Xiao Yao You]

Saying Sloan would start Kanter over Favors is a shot?