100 Greatest Hip-Hop Artist of All-Time (According to ISH)

[WhiteMosɘs]

it sounded like some typical drake shit and jeezy sounded like he was dying. was very traumatizing. :(

A 2 D. Post your list.

Also, the features I meant was the Ross one, Ghetto Dreams, Kings and Queens, Champion (there's probably more, but literally every one of those is fire). Add that up with two hot singles, I think that's a streak. More accurately, I think only a fvckboy would not call that a streak.

[WhiteMosɘs]

what list?

I wanna see your top 100. I imagine it'll be very controversial and interesting. As in it won't be pandering to the old heads around here that'll kick in the door and put their cawks in your mouth.

[WhiteMosɘs]

for someone like nas that's not a hot streak, that's pathetic. he's a legend and has to be held to much higher standards. e-40 just put out some joints that hold up to his classics.



i don't have one. i'm not knowledgeable enough and would need to listen to much more rap. i can give you top 100 in 2012 though.

I disagree. Those verses are great. :applause:

Gimme that top 100.

[andgar923]

100 is ridiculously hard so i'll go to 50.
yup

[L.Kizzle]

could only get to 50, i don't even think there are 100 rappers making good rap. and i'm not gonna put guys i don't listen to or care about like wiz on the list just to fill up space.

*CURRENT LIST. BASED ON THE PAST 12 MONTHS OR SO AND IF IM EXCITED ABOUT FUTURE PROJECTS*

***NOT ALL TIME****

1. Danny Brown
2. Lil B
3. Waka Flocka Flame
4. Future
5. Chief Keef
6. Starlito
7. Main Attrakionz
8. ASAP Rocky
9. Fat Trel
10. Schoolboy Q
11. King Louie
12. Gunplay
13. Kendrick Lamar
14. Meek Mill
15. 2 Chainz
16. Kanye West
17. Curren$y
18. Blu
19. Rick Ross
20. Mr. Muthafvckin' Exquire
21. Juicy J
22. French Montana
23. Nicki Minaj (the rapper, don't listen to or care about any of the pop songs)
24. Trouble
25. Gucci Mane
26. Jackie Chain
27. Big KRIT
28. Young Jeezy
29. Zeroh
30. Young L
31. Rocko
32. Boldly James
33. Freddie Gibbs
34. Riff Raff SODMG
35. TKO Capone
36. Lil Durk
37. DB Tha General
38. Pusha T
39. Yo Gotti
40. Spaceghostpurrp (been really meh lately, and his crew sucks)
41. Roach Gigz
42. Wooh Da Kid
43. Shady Blaze
44. Don Trip
45. Ab-Soul
46. Young Moe
47. Roc Marciano
48. Webbie
49. Alley Boy
50. Young Thug
No Z-Ro or Trae?

[WhiteMosɘs]

No Z-Ro or Trae?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Like that's your only problem with the list.

[L.Kizzle]

recent trae is awful (why is he so raspy and doing songs with big sean?) and i haven't heard any of the recent z-ro.
What, you said you listen to all the new stuff. You haven't peeped his drug series (Crack; Cocaine; Heroin and most recently Meth?)

[Bucket_Nakedz]

Heres my top 10...

1. Ghostface Killah
2. Mos Def
3. Kool G Rap
4. Duckdown crew
5. Dipset
6. AZ
7. Mitchy Slick
8. Kool Kieth
9. Pete Rock CL Smooth
10. Suga Free

[WhiteMosɘs]

this list is not that serious, shit. i liked nicki's album (the rap parts) a lot and would be really excited if she did a full rap album or mixtape.

That rapping part was dope as fvck hey? Happy to agree with you on something. I haven't listened to the rest of it, but Starships is a banger.

[WhiteMosɘs]

i thought we agree on everything? starships is trash, tracks 1-6 and stupid hoe is all i fvck with. and let's see that list.

That's what I'm talking about. Roman in Moscow too, heavy. The white girl in me liked starships. I've been thinking about my list. Fuuu ck. I'd have to do 2012. This would be a project for me.

[ace23]

What, you said you listen to all the new stuff. You haven't peeped his drug series (Crack; Cocaine; Heroin and most recently Meth?)
:bowdown:

No one else is even using the criteria.

[L.Kizzle]

No love for 8Ball & MJG?

[L.Kizzle]

My top 100 is just about done. Will post later today or tomorrow.

[L.Kizzle]

Got damn, after a lot of debating with myself, just finished my top 100 list.


I was debating with these artist who just missed out. Especially Showbiz and A.G., dammit right on the cusp.

Here are the artist who didn't make it.


Funky Four Plus One
The Cold Crush Brothers
Tone Loc
Biz Markie
Def Jef
Young MC
Main Source
Kwame
3rd Bass
House of Pain
WC (and the Maad Circle)
C-Bo
Craig Mack
Tha Dogg Pound
M.O.P.
Alkaholics (Tha Liks)
Twista
The Beatnuts
Camp Lo
Foxy Brown
Capone-N-Noreaga
Juvenile
Black Eyed Peas
Dead Prez
Jurassic 5
Cam

[RidonKs]

i think we're supposed to try to figure that out through process of elimination

[Skywalker]

jurrasic 5 lmaoooooo

[-p.tiddy-]

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Got damn, after a lot of debating with myself, just finished my top 100 list.


I was debating with these artist who just missed out. Especially Showbiz and A.G., dammit right on the cusp.

Here are the artist who didn't make it.


Funky Four Plus One
The Cold Crush Brothers
Tone Loc
Biz Markie
Def Jef
Young MC
Main Source
Kwame
3rd Bass
House of Pain
WC (and the Maad Circle)
C-Bo
Craig Mack
Tha Dogg Pound
M.O.P.
Alkaholics (Tha Liks)
Twista
The Beatnuts
Camp Lo
Foxy Brown
Capone-N-Noreaga
Juvenile
Black Eyed Peas
Dead Prez
Jurassic 5
Cam

[RaininTwos]

Dipset didn't make it?






and why did you even list half those people? we all fvcking knew that.
nah bro, young MC was definitely close to being top 100:oldlol:

[L.Kizzle]

^^^ those guys are the top of who you had left IMO

Dogg Pound had a lot of classics...Ross is really big as well in today's rap
Along with Showbiz, I had DPGz, Rosay, Fab, CNN, Twista and I totally forgot about Xzhibit.

[L.Kizzle]

nah bro, young MC was definitely close to being top 100:oldlol:
It was either Young MC or Sir-Mix-A-Lot.

[L.Kizzle]

Dipset didn't make it?






and why did you even list half those people? we all fvcking knew that.
It was either Cam'ron and Diplomats or Ja Rule ...

[L.Kizzle]

My top 100, the last 25 or so, could switch any day. What do you think?

Omissions? Is someone too high or too low? Who should not be here?


1. 2pac
2. The Notorious B.I.G.
3. Nas
4. Jay-Z
5. Public Enemy
6. Run-D.M.C.
7. Eric B. & Rakim
8. N.W.A.
9. Wu-Tang Clan
10. Big Daddy Kane

11. Boogie Down Productions (KRS-One)
12. A Tribe Called Quest
13. OutKast
14. Emenim
15. Scarface (Geto Boys)
16. Ice Cube
17. Kurtis Blow
18. LL Cool J
19. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five
20. EPMD (Erick Sermon & PMD)

21. Kool Moe Dee
22. De La Soul
23. Gang Starr
24. Snoop Dogg
25. Fugees
26. Ice T
27. Busta Rhymes
28. DMX
29. Dr. Dre
30. Slick Rick

31. Redman
32. Big Punisher
33. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
34. UGK
35. Kanye West
36. Afrika Bambataa & Soulsonic Force
37. Salt-n-Pepa
38. Pete Rock & CL Smooth
39. Mobb Depp
40. Whodini

41. Brand Nubian
42. 2 Live Crew (Luke)
43. Master P
44. 50 Cent
45. Too $hort
46. Heavy D & the Boyz
47. The Pharcyde
48.The Roots
49. MC Hammer
50. Mos Def

51. Common
52. E-40
53. Digital Underground
54. MC Lyte
55. Ludacris
56. Cypress Hill
57. Talib Kweli
58. Beastie Boys
59. The Jungle Brothers
60. Queen Latifah




61. Goodie Mob
62. Das EFX
63. Arrested Development
64. Naughty by Nature
65. Lil’ Kim
66. DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince
67. AZ
68. Big L
69. Keith Murray
70. Missy Elliot

71. Eightball & MJG
72. Three 6 Mafia
73. Lil’ Wayne
74. Lost Boyz
75. Nelly
76. TI
77. Spice 1
78. DJ Quik
79. Kid ‘n Play
80. The LOX

81. MC Breed
82. X-Clan
83. Kool G Rap (& DJ Polo)
84. Masta Ace
85. Hieroglyphics (Del the Funky Homosapien; Souls of Mischief)
86. Sugar Hill Gang
87. Ja Rule
88. Boot Camp Clik (Black Moon; Heltah Skeltah, O.G.C., Smif-N-Wessun aka Cocoa Brovaz)
89. Black Sheep
90. Onyx

91. MC Eiht (& Compton’s Most Wanted)
92. Mystikal
93.Coolio
94. Pharoahe Monche (Organized Konfusion)
95. Slum Village
96. Lupe Fiasco
97. Mack 10
98. Kool Keith
99. Schoolly D
100. The Fat Boys
101. Doug E. Fresh (and the Get Fresh Crew)

[L.Kizzle]

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where's the actual list? this must be a cruel joke
That's the actual list. What's your beef?

[L.Kizzle]

first off, explain how salt n pepa belong in the top 200

tribe called quest, are you just a huge fan? how can you justify that high of a spot?
Explain how they fall short of 200? They are the first successful female artist of Hip-Hop, (before Latifah and Lyte.) Roxanne Shante was no real rapper, just a bunch of Shante records. You seriously don't think they merit a spot in the top 200? Also, you seem to be hard on female rappers.

Quest was very dope. They could spit with the best of them, than rap about some abstract (of course) shit. They were at the forefront of alternative hip-hop along in the early to mid-90s.

12 might be a little too high. Late teens at the lowest though.

[L.Kizzle]

how does kweli make this list and cam or juve not? slum village? i thought we weren't putting on the unknown/underground.
Slum are not unknowns, and it's not like they are top 15. They barley made the list at 95.

Kweli is a dope ass rapper, much better than Cam or Juve the Great (and I luv Juvenile.) Also, Juve along with Cam'ron and the Diplomats were some of my last omissions.

It was down to the New Yorkers, Cam'ron vs. Ja Rule and the NO boyz of Mystikal vs. Juvenile.

[L.Kizzle]

tribe definitely didn't make as big an impact as triple 6 who are somehow at like 80, wtf?
As you know, I'm more of a southern hip-hop fan compared to East (though in the later years, been catching up with my old school east as I grew up on the southside.) But that statement is false. It's not a landslide or anything, but Tribe bought that alternative mode in more so than Del a Soul, Arrested Development or Funky Homosapein. They did create crunk muzik, (666.)

[Osiris]

I don't see any huge issues with his list, it's pretty generic. De La Soul, Redman, Salt-n-Pepa, Talib Kweli, AZ are probably too high. Don't think anybody is too low outside of Lil Wayne based on his own criteria. A few bums like Big L, Ja Rule, Mack 10 and Kid 'n Play probably shouldn't be on the list at all, but nothing egregious.

[L.Kizzle]

I don't see any huge issues with his list, it's pretty generic. De La Soul, Redman, Salt-n-Pepa, Talib Kweli, AZ are probably too high. Don't think anybody is too low outside of Lil Wayne based on his own criteria. A few bums like Big L, Ja Rule, Mack 10 and Kid 'n Play probably shouldn't be on the list at all, but nothing egregious.
Why do you think those 4 bums should be removed from the list?

Why are those other 4 too high?

[AirTupac]

I legit facepalmed when I saw Tupac at 58 :oldlol:

[L.Kizzle]

he can't even rap though, and i'm a fan. dipset is definitely in there, over boot camp for sure.
BlackStar was hot though.

And Dip-Set over Boot Camp Clik. Boot Camp was very underrated, in an East coast where Wu-Tang, Biggie, Nas, Mobb Depp and emerging Jay-Z ran the blocks.

[L.Kizzle]

there is no remaining influence, whereas lex luger is the biggest producer in rap right now.
That was 20 years ago. You think Lex will be the hottest producer in the game in 2032?

[Osiris]

Why do you think those 4 bums should be removed from the list?

Big L sucked, he had some decent punchlines and that was it. If he hadn't died nobody would give two shits about him.

Ja Rule made awful, awful music. Nothing he did left any kind of impression in Hip-Hop, you won't ever hear any of his tracks on an oldies station. Yeah, he was pretty popular at one point so I guess you can argue that he deserves a spot, but he doesn't.

I had to use google just to remind myself who Mack 10 was. There's literally no good reason why he should be on anybody's list, even his own.

Kid n' Play were popular because of House Party, not for their shitty late 80's happy rap. People need to stop pretending they actually listen to garbage like Run D.M.C., early LL Cool J, Kwame, Heavy D, Fresh Prince and Doug E. Fresh. That shit is corny and you all no it. Nobody has that shit on their ipods. Stop fronting.

[L.Kizzle]

Big L sucked, he had some decent punchlines and that was it. If he hadn't died nobody would give two shits about him.

Ja Rule made awful, awful music. Nothing he did left any kind of impression in Hip-Hop, you won't ever hear any of his tracks on an oldies station. Yeah, he was pretty popular at one point so I guess you can argue that he deserves a spot, but he doesn't.

I had to use google just to remind myself who Mack 10 was. There's literally no good reason why he should be on anybody's list, even his own.

Kid n' Play were popular because of House Party, not for their shitty late 80's happy rap. People need to stop pretending they actually listen to garbage like Run D.M.C., early LL Cool J, Kwame, Heavy D, Fresh Prince and Doug E. Fresh. That shit is corny and you all no it. Nobody has that shit on their ipods. Stop fronting.
So happy rap basically should be erased out of hip-hop history, am I gettin' this straight?

I was generous with Big L. I do think he is overrated and when he was alive, no one cared about him (no disrespect.) But he was pretty good MC.

[RaininTwos]

I legit facepalmed when I saw Tupac at 58 :oldlol:
:biggums:

[Osiris]

So happy rap basically should be erased out of hip-hop history, am I gettin' this straight?

I was generous with Big L. I do think he is overrated and when he was alive, no one cared about him (no disrespect.) But he was pretty good MC.

Nope, it was popular at the time and I acknowledge that some of the bigger acts deserve credit, but people need to stop acting like they actually listen to it. We all know it sucked.

[L.Kizzle]

Nope, it was popular at the time and I acknowledge that some of the bigger acts deserve credit, but people need to stop acting like they actually listen to it. We all know it sucked.
Does it suck now, or did it suck back then, totally different.

It didn't suck back in the day because it was popular back then. But play a Kwame record now, and yeah, it may suck to some people. But "Only You" is my shit though.

[andgar923]

Big L sucked, he had some decent punchlines and that was it. If he hadn't died nobody would give two shits about him.

Ja Rule made awful, awful music. Nothing he did left any kind of impression in Hip-Hop, you won't ever hear any of his tracks on an oldies station. Yeah, he was pretty popular at one point so I guess you can argue that he deserves a spot, but he doesn't.

I had to use google just to remind myself who Mack 10 was. There's literally no good reason why he should be on anybody's list, even his own.

Kid n' Play were popular because of House Party, not for their shitty late 80's happy rap. People need to stop pretending they actually listen to garbage like Run D.M.C., early LL Cool J, Kwame, Heavy D, Fresh Prince and Doug E. Fresh. That shit is corny and you all no it. Nobody has that shit on their ipods. Stop fronting.

Big L didn't suck and true, people gave two shits about him after he died.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HIS 2ND ALBUM GOT RELEASED AFTER HE DIED.

if his 2nd album had been released when he was alive, he would've received plenty of love.

[Osiris]

Big L didn't suck and true, people gave two shits about him after he died.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HIS 2ND ALBUM GOT RELEASED AFTER HE DIED.

if his 2nd album had been released when he was alive, he would've received plenty of love.

Glorified punchline rapper, and I used to be a fan. He's one of the most dull rappers ever, tell me one thing you know about Big L other than the fact that he was a rapper. His lyrics were full of Duck Tales, his beats were horrible, no intangibles, lacked bravado, swagger. You know, the stuff that makes a rapper good. I'll take a guy who isn't as "lyrically gifted" like a Cam'ron, a 50 Cent or a Pusha T because they're actually entertaining and don't sound like they're just reading from their rhymebook.

[L.Kizzle]

Glorified punchline rapper, and I used to be a fan. He's one of the most dull rappers ever, tell me one thing you know about Big L other than the fact that he was a rapper. His lyrics were full of Duck Tales, his beats were horrible, no intangibles, lacked bravado, swagger. You know, the stuff that makes a rapper good. I'll take a guy who isn't as "lyrically gifted" like a Cam'ron, a 50 Cent or a Pusha T because they're actually entertaining and don't sound like they're just reading from their rhymebook.
Oh shit, I knew I forgot someone. Clipse should definitely be top 100. Lower half though but still.

[RaininTwos]

Kizzle, where is Drake in your top 100?

[RaininTwos]

WTF. you forget dipset u bitch!
he clearly didnt:oldlol:

[L.Kizzle]

Kizzle, where is Drake in your top 100?
He's not in there.

[L.Kizzle]

WTF. you forget dipset u bitch!
Hey nigha, I already told you about Dipset. And Clipse > Dipset slightly. I'd slide either the Fat Boys of Doug Fresh out and move the Clipse right above Mack 10.

[RaininTwos]

He's not in there.

you have a really nostalgic list there in my opinion. plus i dont understand your logic. ross and young jeezy are right outside the top 100, but drake is nowhere to be found? huh? He's a better rapper than those two.

[andgar923]

Glorified punchline rapper, and I used to be a fan. He's one of the most dull rappers ever, tell me one thing you know about Big L other than the fact that he was a rapper. His lyrics were full of Duck Tales, his beats were horrible, no intangibles, lacked bravado, swagger. You know, the stuff that makes a rapper good. I'll take a guy who isn't as "lyrically gifted" like a Cam'ron, a 50 Cent or a Pusha T because they're actually entertaining and don't sound like they're just reading from their rhymebook.

:rolleyes:

Tell you one thing about Big L other than he's a rapper? seriously? :roll:

who cares!!!

Dude had one of the best flows, deliveries, rhyming, of all time. You already acknowledged his punchlines and lyrics so what's your argument here?

That he didn't interest you and that he wasn't known until after he was dead.... you know after his best album (2nd) was released?

:facepalm

You're also complaining about DuckTales when 99% of all rappers do it.

And I love how you completely dodged my post.

[L.Kizzle]

you have a really nostalgic list there in my opinion. plus i dont understand your logic. ross and young jeezy are right outside the top 100, but drake is nowhere to be found? huh? He's a better rapper than those two.
Drake hasn't been rapping nearly as long. Ross and Jeezy both debuted in 2005 and Drake in 2010. So they have some years on Drake. I don't have anyone in my list who released their first album after 2006. So that's at least a 6 year period in the game, an eternity in hip-hop. Pac and Biggie made there career's in 6 years or less.

[L.Kizzle]

you've completely abandoned your criteria.
How so?

And it wasn't my criteria, my official criteria was to debate. No one did that so someone suggested some other criteria and that went no where either.

[Osiris]

:rolleyes:

Tell you one thing about Big L other than he's a rapper? seriously? :roll:

who cares!!!

Dude had one of the best flows, deliveries, rhyming, of all time. You already acknowledged his punchlines and lyrics so what's your argument here?

That he didn't interest you and that he wasn't known until after he was dead.... you know after his best album (2nd) was released?

:facepalm

One of the best flows? On what planet?

Zero substance. The reason 2Pac is so popular is because of what he was outside of being a rapper. Being technically proficient, doesn't make you good it makes you technically proficient.

[RaininTwos]

Drake hasn't been rapping nearly as long. Ross and Jeezy both debuted in 2005 and Drake in 2010. So they have some years on Drake. I don't have anyone in my list who released their first album after 2006. So that's at least a 6 year period in the game, an eternity in hip-hop. Pac and Biggie made there career's in 6 years or less.
Different era, in my opinion.

Drake's in an era where these "mixtapes" are really albums. Look at the So Far Gone or Comeback season.

J. Cole with the Warm Up and Friday Night Lights.

TI with F*ck Da City Up.

Ross with the Albert Anasthasia EP and Rich Forever.

Weezy with the Dedication or Da Drought Series.

I could go on as well.

[andgar923]

Best flows? On what planet?

Zero substance. The reason 2Pac is so popular is because of what he was outside of being a rapper. Being technically proficient, doesn't make you good it makes you technically proficient.

Better flow than pac hands down I'll tell you that.

Better flow than anybody rapping today, and he had one of the best flows during is era, which is saying a lot.

And why are you changing the argument again?

You have nothing to stand on, so you keep switching shit up.

Before he sucked and nobody cared about him until he died.

Then you changed that with a bunch of other nonsense, that wasn't part of your original argument.

Now you change it again because you had nothing to stand on.

Now... I'm not saying he should be a top 10 or none of that. And I'm not disagreeing with your 2pac comment. But your initial post (at least the one I replied to) and some comments within your replies are bizarre.

[L.Kizzle]

Different era, in my opinion.

Drake's in an era where these "mixtapes" are really albums. Look at the So Far Gone or Comeback season.

J. Cole with the Warm Up and Friday Night Lights.

TI with F*ck Da City Up.

Ross with the Albert Anasthasia EP and Rich Forever.

Weezy with the Dedication or Da Drought Series.

I could go on as well.
Different era, you think 2007 is a different era from 2009?

[Osiris]

Compare a guy like Big Pun to Big L. Every bit as skilled, but infinitely more enjoyable to listen to. Why? He was funny, he was interesting, he had an actual personality. Big L is dull as dishwater.

[RaininTwos]

so far gone didn't come out until 09. that's only 3 years ago too early to make a goat list. trap or die was in 05.
Time limits are ridiculous.

I am in no way comparing Nas to Drake, but you telling me that if we were posting after It Was Written was released in 96, he wouldn't make Kizzle's list because he hasnt been in the game long enough?

This is just silly.

[ace23]

Big L is overrated as hell. A lot of shock value, violent shit. Nothing really too clever, a lot of nursery punchlines TBH. Always sounded like he wanted to kill somebody.

He was pretty nice, though.

[RaininTwos]

Different era, you think 2007 is a different era from 2009?
:facepalm

Comeback Season was released in 2007.

[ace23]

Compare a guy like Big Pun to Big L. Every bit as skilled, but infinitely more enjoyable to listen to. Why? He was funny, he was interesting, he had an actual personality. Big L is dull as dishwater.
Pun is a clear step above L IMO.

[RaininTwos]

also drake is terrible as agreed on by everybody in the thread.
That's kinda ironic since that he's a better rapper than some people on Kizzle's list.:roll:

[L.Kizzle]

Time limits are ridiculous.

I am in no way comparing Nas to Drake, but you telling me that if we were posting after It Was Written was released in 96, he wouldn't make Kizzle's list because he hasnt been in the game long enough?

This is just silly.
They're ridiculous with all-time greats. With mediocre talents, they serve a purpose.

And you are comparing Nas to Drake or you could have said Keith Murray or Redman.

[L.Kizzle]

:facepalm

Comeback Season was released in 2007.
I don't care when it was released, it's not from a different era. It should've been called Lockout Season.

[RaininTwos]

They're ridiculous with all-time greats. With mediocre talents, they serve a purpose.

And you are comparing Nas to Drake or you could have said Keith Murray or Redman.
:biggums:

[RaininTwos]

Kid and Play is in your top 100 bro and you expect me to believe that they can rap better than Drake?

[ace23]

Kid and Play is in your top 100 bro and you expect me to believe that they can rap better than Drake?
Well, Drake is not a top-100 rapper. He may have a case to be top 100 in Kizzle's popularity contest, though.

[L.Kizzle]

Kid and Play is in your top 100 bro and you expect me to believe that they can rap better than Drake?
Don't turn this into a Drake-a-thon please. He's not on MY list, and I explained why.

Fabolous, Cam'ron or Trick Daddy did not on my list neither, you're not crying about them. :lol

And, don't hate on Kid 'n Play, I'd rather listen to Fun House over Marvin's Room.

[RaininTwos]

its not just who can rap better than who and u know dat.
Ok in your mind, what sets Kid and Play above Drake? Or Jeezy? Or Ross? Werent they even above TI?

[RaininTwos]

Don't turn this into a Drake-a-thon please. He's not on MY list, and I explained why.

Fabolous, Cam'ron or Trick Daddy did not on my list neither, you're not crying about them. :lol

And, don't hate on Kid 'n Play, I'd rather listen to Fun House over Marvin's Room.

Seriously though, even if you disdain Drake so much for his poppy singing and shit, how are you gonna have Ja Rule on the f*cking list?

Don't even try to bring up his first album, that was definitely some overrated wanna be DMX type shit right there.

[L.Kizzle]

Seriously though, even if you disdain Drake so much for his poppy singing and shit, how are you gonna have Ja Rule on the f*cking list?

Don't even try to bring up his first album, that was definitely some overrated wanna be DMX type shit right there.
Cause Ja had some hard shit that's why.

Hey, you can make a top 100 list with Drake being in the top 10 but he's not goin' on my list.

[RaininTwos]

Cause Ja had some hard shit that's why.

Hey, you can make a top 100 list with Drake being in the top 10 but he's not goin' on my list.
He was riding DMX's d*ck hard. It wasn't a coincidence that he tried to use the same type of gritty production months after X destroyed the game in the middle of puff's shiny suit era.

I dont see why he gets credit for being completely unoriginal and unforgettable.

[L.Kizzle]

He was riding DMX's d*ck hard. It wasn't a coincidence that he tried to use the same type of gritty production months after X destroyed the game in the middle of puff's shiny suit era.

I dont see why he gets credit for being completely unoriginal and unforgettable.
An unoriginal rapper, there are many. He's not the first and won't be the last.

That still wont get Drake on the list.

There is always an album that comes out, and the next few try to ride that wave. 36 Chambers, It's Dark, ect.

Who's tryin to be the next Drake though?

[RaininTwos]

An unoriginal rapper, there are many. He's not the first and won't be the last.

That still wont get Drake on the list.

There is always an album that comes out, and the next few try to ride that wave. 36 Chambers, It's Dark, ect.

Who's tryin to be the next Drake though?

You dont understand the point of this discussion Kizzle, I am not trying to get Drake on your list. I just wanted to hear why you left him off when you had so many that didn't deserve to be on there according to your criteria.:confusedshrug:

[ace23]

Who's tryin to be the next Drake though?
Diggy, Quiz Parker

[Osiris]

Who's tryin to be the next Drake though?

My boy Lil' Poutine.

[L.Kizzle]

You dont understand the point of this discussion Kizzle, I am not trying to get Drake on your list. I just wanted to hear why you left him off when you had so many that didn't deserve to be on there according to your criteria.:confusedshrug:
Who doesn't deserve being here, beside the mentioned Kid 'n Play? Also, I already explained why he is not here? Ad my reasoning for Drake is constant, you don't see any new relatively young bucks on my list who started in the later half of the 2000's.

[RaininTwos]

Who doesn't deserve being here, beside the mentioned Kid 'n Play? Also, I already explained why he is not here? Ad my reasoning for Drake is constant, you don't see any new relatively young bucks on my list who started in the later half of the 2000's.

You do realize that you are making a great of all time list, not greatest of the most time, right??

That like making a top 100 players off all-time in NBA history list and leaving off Kevin Durant because he's only been playing since 2007 or slighting D.Rose because he's only been playing since 2008. Plus that wasn't part of your original criteria.

[RaininTwos]

or it's just "wait and see". there have been plenty of big time guys who became irrelevant very fast.
The list isn't permanent. Names and positions will always change, it makes more sense to me to take everything as is.

[L.Kizzle]

You do realize that you are making a great of all time list, not greatest of the most time, right??

That like making a top 100 players off all-time in NBA history list and leaving off Kevin Durant because he's only been playing since 2007 or slighting D.Rose because he's only been playing since 2008. Plus that wasn't part of your original criteria.
You do realize Slam recently put out a top 500 players of all-time list and left of Durant and D.Rose. Why? Because they haven't been in the game long enough.

Yes I realize this is a greatest of all-time list, which is why Drake isn't here. If you think Drake is already one of the greatest, I'd hate to wonder what you think about TI or somebody like that?

And can we discuss another artist, I left of tons of rappers, why is Drake the only one that matters? I left of Lil Bow Wow, Cassidy, Xhibit, Twista, Warren G, Yo Gotti.

[L.Kizzle]

The list isn't permanent. Names and positions will always change, it makes more sense to me to take everything as is.
I'd hate to ask, as I don't really wanna speak on Drake anymore, but where do you have him in a top 100 list?

[ace23]

I'd hate to ask, as I don't really wanna speak on Drake anymore, but where do you have him in a top 100 list?
He's not knowledgable enough to compile a genuine top 100.

[RaininTwos]

You do realize Slam recently put out a top 500 players of all-time list and left of Durant and D.Rose. Why? Because they haven't been in the game long enough.

Pretty sure that list was ridiculed like hell here. I kinda lost all respect for Slam after that.


Yes I realize this is a greatest of all-time list, which is why Drake isn't here. If you think Drake is already one of the greatest, I'd hate to wonder what you think about TI or somebody like that?

TI deserves to be much higher in my opinion. He's very capable in every facet of the game. He has fame, he's a great lyricist and is in contention for the being the best rapper since 2000.


And can we discuss another artist, I left of tons of rappers, why is Drake the only one that matters? I left of Lil Bow Wow, Cassidy, Xhibit, Twista, Warren G, Yo Gotti.

Bow Wow>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kid n' play as well.

You cant be serious with Yo Gotti

[L.Kizzle]

:biggums:
Finally, I got the attention off of Drake, my plan worked!

[RaininTwos]

He's not knowledgable enough to compile a genuine top 100.
Weak.

[L.Kizzle]

Pretty sure that list was ridiculed like hell here. I kinda lost all respect for Slam after that.



TI deserves to be much higher in my opinion. He's very capable in every facet of the game. He has fame, he's a great lyricist and is in contention for the being the best rapper since 2000.



Bow Wow>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kid n' play as well.

You cant be serious with Yo Gotti
No' I was just naming rappers to we can talk about another rapper besides Drake.

[RaininTwos]

No' I was just naming rappers to we can talk about another rapper besides Drake.
You act like that's all I've talked about.

[RaininTwos]

:biggums:

you just got into a 3 page argument over DRAKE

I <3 Drake.

and you know this maaannnn!

[L.Kizzle]

You act like that's all I've talked about.
Ok, well talk about Spice 1?

And you still haven't said where you'd rank Drake on your top 100 list?

[ace23]

Lol, no Lauryn Hill, Immortal Technique, MF DOOM, GZA, Z-Ro, Wale, Blu

[RaininTwos]

My criteria is different than the one you were SUPPOSE to use, Kizzle.

Using yours, he should be anywhere from the 80-100 range.

He ranks high in the last two categories you have selected which are Fame and Sales.

[L.Kizzle]

Lol, no Lauryn Hill, Immortal Technique, MF DOOM, GZA, Z-Ro, Wale, Blu
Hill under Fugees, GZA under Wu-Tang Clan. Notice I didn't separate the Wu. I wanted to give other mofo's a shot, that's 6 (possibly seven more spots for Wu members.)

I love me some Mo City da Don, but you from Houston, you know he don't belong. If this were top 100 underground, he'd make the list.

Wale, blah.

Doom ... eh, possibly. He's really good but naw. Blu, naw, Technique, naw.

[L.Kizzle]

My criteria is different than the one you were SUPPOSE to use, Kizzle.

Using yours, he should be anywhere from the 80-100 range.

He ranks high in the last two categories you have selected which are Fame and Sales.
Well, using your own criteria, where does he rank in your eyes?

[ace23]

Hill under Fugees, GZA under Wu-Tang Clan. Notice I didn't separate the Wu. I wanted to give other mofo's a shot, that's 6 (possibly seven more spots for Wu members.)

I love me some Mo City da Don, but you from Houston, you know he don't belong. If this were top 100 underground, he'd make the list.

Wale, blah.

Doom ... eh, possibly. He's really good but naw. Blu, naw, Technique, naw.
Name a relevant DC emcee who came onto the scene before Wale.


Lol, DOOM is one of the GOAT rapper/producers. N!gga, you have the ****ing Boot Camp Click on your list. :lol

[ace23]

he doesn't rep dmv at all and nobody there likes him.
:roll: @ how uninformed you are

[L.Kizzle]

Name a relevant DC emcee who came onto the scene before Wale.


Lol, DOOM is one of the GOAT rapper/producers. N!gga, you have the ****ing Boot Camp Clik on your list. :lol
You act like I said he sucks or something. And nigha don't disrespect the Boot Camp. :lol

[ace23]

naw. but, until you can understand the concept of rap as music you really should not be in this thread. get back to "rapgenius" and read your lyrics brie.
Yes, you are uninformed if you think Wale does not rep the DMV! Holy shit! :roll: He only shouts out DC and MD on every other track.

HE pretty much ****ING COINED THE acronym DMV. :oldlol:

[ace23]

naw. but, until you can understand the concept of rap as music you really should not be in this thread. get back to "rapgenius" and read your lyrics brie.
You really love to downplay the substance of the poetry. Without lyrics, there is no rap.

Don't you have some crunk beats to go flex to?

[L.Kizzle]

Name a relevant DC emcee who came onto the scene before Wale
Nothin good come from Maryland beside this broad a met a few years back after I graduated. Damn, she was good :pimp: ... I miss her. She moved back. :cry:

[AlphaWolf24]

http://defynewyork.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/258949.jpg

technically 2 artists but dey were nice.....

they on the list right?

[L.Kizzle]

http://defynewyork.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/258949.jpg

technically 2 artists but dey were nice.....

they on the list right?
Poor man's Kid 'N Play.

[ace23]

poorly phrased but he was never a dc star until after he became popular with worthless fvcks like yourself and then was only a mattered because he was from dc. so being from dc didn't matter, he could have been from anywhere.
Haha, nice save. You know what you meant.

[Alamo]

could only get to 50, i don't even think there are 100 rappers making good rap. and i'm not gonna put guys i don't listen to or care about like wiz on the list just to fill up space.

*CURRENT LIST. BASED ON THE PAST 12 MONTHS OR SO AND IF IM EXCITED ABOUT FUTURE PROJECTS*

***NOT ALL TIME****

1. Danny Brown
2. Lil B
3. Waka Flocka Flame
4. Future
5. Chief Keef
6. Starlito
7. Main Attrakionz
8. ASAP Rocky
9. Fat Trel
10. Schoolboy Q
11. King Louie
12. Gunplay
13. Kendrick Lamar
14. Meek Mill
15. 2 Chainz
16. Kanye West
17. Curren$y
18. Blu
19. Rick Ross
20. Mr. Muthafvckin' Exquire
21. Juicy J
22. French Montana
23. Nicki Minaj (the rapper, don't listen to or care about any of the pop songs)
24. Trouble
25. Gucci Mane
26. Jackie Chain
27. Big KRIT
28. Young Jeezy
29. Zeroh
30. Young L
31. Rocko
32. Boldly James
33. Freddie Gibbs
34. Riff Raff SODMG
35. TKO Capone
36. Lil Durk
37. DB Tha General
38. Pusha T
39. Yo Gotti
40. Spaceghostpurrp (been really meh lately, and his crew sucks)
41. Roach Gigz
42. Wooh Da Kid
43. Shady Blaze
44. Don Trip
45. Ab-Soul
46. Young Moe
47. Roc Marciano
48. Webbie
49. Alley Boy
50. Young Thug

now lemme get your 2012 list.

This is probably the best list here. 2 chainz should be higher though, he's been around longer than anyone in your top 10

[ace23]

This is probably the best list here. 2 chainz should be higher though, he's been around longer than anyone in your top 10
Using Kizzle's criteria, that list is laughably horrendous.

And I can't believe you brouught up 2Chainz! GTFO :roll:

Probably Al's alt.

[ace23]

i dew. wally has never represented dc to anyone in dc
Anybody want to translate this to English?

Represent DC to anyone in DC? What?

[ace23]

do you want me to put it in a metaphor over a boom bap beat for u?
Yeah, go ahead. :rolleyes:

Shit, I'll respond if you want me to.

[L.Kizzle]

Using Kizzle's criteria, that list is laughably horrendous.

And I can't believe you brouught up 2Chainz! GTFO :roll:

Probably Al's alt.
Damn man, I already explained the list. If you want 100 greatest lyricist, the list would be totally different. Same if I did 100 greatest underground rappers. Immortal Technique deserves no spot on 100 greatest hip hop artist of all time ... that's just the way the world rotates.

[ace23]

Damn man, I already explained the list. If you want 100 greatest lyricist, the list would be totally different. Same if I did 100 greatest underground rappers. Immortal Technique deserves no spot on 100 greatest hip hop artist of all time ... that's just the way the world rotates.
What, you think Al's list was good? Or do you think 2Chainz deserves a top 100 spot?

Either way, :biggums:

[ace23]

are you retarded or just incapable of reading?
:confusedhsrug:

[ace23]

i made a 2012 list not an all time list. and 2 chainz definitely deserves a spot on a 2012 list, i probably did put him too low.
And it's still ****ing horrible.

No, 2Chainz is trash, but there's really no point in trying to reason with you.

[ace23]

no, please explain. he doesn't rap on boom bap? trap beats is scary?! he's too funny?
He is ****ing garbage lyrically. His shit literally makes me laugh out loud.

His verse on Mercy was decent, though.

[Lamar Doom]

2chainz? I'm now officially convinced you're trolling. That shit is poop for your ears. Makes No Limit look like Motzart. If you like that nonsense you have brain damage. Making shitty music isn't funny.

[Gundress]

2chainz? I'm now officially convinced you're trolling. That shit is poop for your ears. Makes No Limit look like Motzart. If you like that nonsense you have brain damage. Making shitty music isn't funny.


Thank You...I kept telling him he's trolling with us. No way, he listens to a bunch of garbage rappers. What the **** happened to Al Thornton for real?

[ace23]

no shit? that's his goal dumbass. he's a funny guy.
Ah, I see. The Lil B factor...

Dude is still terrible.

[ace23]

Alright, this is going nowhere.

Everybody, post your top 50 and I'll give each artist the appropriate points for his position (1: 50, 3: 48, etc.). Remember, you can include rappers, producers, groups, and individuals within said groups.

Make sure to keep in mind Kizzle's shitty criteria:


Impact: Impact they had on hip-hop and in other areas.
Lyrics: Are they great with words, were they deep in there songs.
Flow: Was their flow smooth, were they a good freestyle rapper?
Sales: How did they impact the charts.
Fame: How well known are they in the world of hip-hop; outside hip-hop?

Lamar Doom, get serious with your list.

We'll add up after we get about 20-25 good lists.


Okay by you, Kizzle?

[L.Kizzle]

Alright, this is going nowhere.

Everybody, post your top 50 and I'll give each artist the appropriate points for his position (1: 50, 3: 48, etc.). Remember, you can include rappers, producers, groups, and individuals within said groups.

Make sure to keep in mind Kizzle's shitty criteria:



Lamar Doom, get serious with your list.

We'll add up after we get about 20-25 good lists.


Okay by you, Kizzle?
How is it a shitty criteria (not mine though, but it is what it T.I. - is?)

[Jailblazers7]

I do actually enjoy 2 chainz and find him funny. he isnt someone ill listen to when i want to chill and get in a groove listening to music but he makes me lol hard sometimes.

[L.Kizzle]

Is Immortal Technique, Aseop Rock or whoever greatest then Mc Eiht?

[ace23]

Is Immortal Technique, Aseop Rock or whoever greatest then Mc Eiht?
This ****ing guy :oldlol:

No contest.

[L.Kizzle]

This ****ing guy :oldlol:

No contest.
This nigha ace said he never heard "Duck Sick" and "Duck Sick II."

[RaininTwos]

This nigha ace said he never heard "Duck Sick" and "Duck Sick II."
Its not like it was dope

[L.Kizzle]

Its not like it was dope
Duck my sick.

[ace23]

This nigha ace said he never heard "Duck Sick" and "Duck Sick II."
Nope, don't care to either.

[L.Kizzle]

Nope, don't care to either.
MC Eiht and Comptons Most Wanted, boys went in. Get wit it ace.

[RaininTwos]

MC Eiht and Comptons Most Wanted, boys went in. Get wit it ace.
Pretty sure they went in to my recycling bin years ago:oldlol:

[L.Kizzle]

Pretty sure they went in to my recycling bin years ago:oldlol:
Well, why the hell would you do that?

[Alamo]

Top 10 right now (no order)

Big Krit
Schoolboy Q
Lil B
Kanye West
Kendrick Lamar
Waka Flocka Flame
2 Chainz
Rick Ross
A$AP Rocky
Future

[RaininTwos]

top 10 right now for me:

T.I.
Jay
Kanye
Drake
J.Cole
Pusha T
Kendrick Lamar
Jeezy
Nas
Ross

[L.Kizzle]

How do y'all nigha's feel about MC Hammer?

[L.Kizzle]

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]My top 100, the last 25 or so, could switch any day. What do you think?

Omissions? Is someone too high or too low? Who should not be here?


1. 2pac
2. The Notorious B.I.G.
3. Nas
4. Jay-Z
5. Public Enemy
6. Run-D.M.C.
7. Eric B. & Rakim
8. N.W.A.
9. Wu-Tang Clan
10. Big Daddy Kane

11. Boogie Down Productions (KRS-One)
12. A Tribe Called Quest
13. OutKast
14. Emenim
15. Scarface (Geto Boys)
16. Ice Cube
17. Kurtis Blow
18. LL Cool J
19. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five
20. EPMD (Erick Sermon & PMD)

21. Kool Moe Dee
22. De La Soul
23. Gang Starr
24. Snoop Dogg
25. Fugees
26. Ice T
27. Busta Rhymes
28. DMX
29. Dr. Dre
30. Slick Rick

31. Redman
32. Big Punisher
33. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
34. UGK
35. Kanye West
36. Afrika Bambataa & Soulsonic Force
37. Salt-n-Pepa
38. Pete Rock & CL Smooth
39. Mobb Depp
40. Whodini

41. Brand Nubian
42. 2 Live Crew (Luke)
43. Master P
44. 50 Cent
45. Too $hort
46. Heavy D & the Boyz
47. The Pharcyde
48. The Legendary Roots Crew
49. MC Hammer
50. Mos Def

51. Common
52. E-40
53. Digital Underground
54. MC Lyte
55. Ludacris
56. Cypress Hill
57. Talib Kweli
58. Beastie Boys
59. The Jungle Brothers
60. Queen Latifah




61. Goodie Mob
62. Das EFX
63. Arrested Development
64. Naughty by Nature
65. Lil

[L.Kizzle]

not only do u deserve negs and a perma ban for this shit u also need to get raped.
You don't like Mr. Wendall?

:biggums:

[East_Stone_Ya]

How do y'all nigha's feel about MC Hammer?

nigha was alright when signed to Death Row:pimp:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Jay-Z>>>>>>Biggie


Where is Silkk on that list?

[niko]

top 10 right now for me:

T.I.
Jay
Kanye
Drake
J.Cole
Pusha T
Kendrick Lamar
Jeezy
Nas
Ross
How is that album in your avi?

Got to check out Kendrick Lamar, i am way behind the curve there.

[L.Kizzle]

Jay-Z>>>>>>Biggie


Where is Silkk on that list?
Right behind Tela, Sauce Money and Mac Mall.

[JerrySteakhouse]

1. J. Cole

[Just2McFly]

T.I. closing in on top 15 status on my ranks.

[Just2McFly]

after another disappointing album?
disappointing to whom?

Anyways, his resume speaks for it self. Even if that is two "disappointing albums" he still has three great ones.

[LamarOdom]

disappointing to whom?

Anyways, his resume speaks for it self. Even if that is two "disappointing albums" he still has three great ones.

He ft. Akon:facepalm

Paper Trail is one of my favorite albums tho.

[ace23]

thred is sux

[AboveTheRim.]

I think Reks is slept on pretty hard, definitely top 100.

[ace23]

I think Reks is slept on pretty hard, definitely top 100.
Truuu but his 0/1 in the fame category may hurt him a bit. He is a beast doe.

[Just2McFly]

He ft. Akon:facepalm

Paper Trail is one of my favorite albums tho.
Paper Trail, King, TI vs TIP, Trap Muzik, I'm Serious are good to great albums.

That's an amazing resume to me.

[Just2McFly]

ti vs tip is trash, paper trail is barely decent. urban legend is arguably his best work
You try too hard.

I don't know anyone that would call that album trash.

[L.Kizzle]

T.I. closing in on top 15 status on my ranks.
He's in the top 70, what do you w to see heim go, in the top 20?ant

[L.Kizzle]

thred is sux
Where is your top? You don't even have LL in your top 100, how can I take you seriously?

[Just2McFly]

i thought everyone felt that way until ur post, and why is having opinions that differ with yours trying too hard?
You just try too hard in rap discussions, it's all been this way. Even your fave artists have changed, you still have a lot of fvck boy in you.

In all seriousness, how can an at worst subpar/mediocre album be trash?

[The-Legend-24]

Drake gotta be somewhere in the top10..

[MMM]

My main contention with Kizzle's list is that Kool G Rap is far too low, overall I can't say I have a lot of problems though.

[AboveTheRim.]

what in the fck

Grey Hairs is a great album. I don't know why you'd question my post but not even try to provide any sort of a defense for your questioning.

[L.Kizzle]

Grey Hairs is a great album. I don't know why you'd question my post but not even try to provide any sort of a defense for your questioning.
Lookin at my list now, he should be somewhere in the high 50s or low 60s.