Magic The Gathering

[BMOGEFan]

Does anyone play this game?

I haven't touched my deck in year and years since 4th edition. What are the top cards now?

Royal assassin? Hymn to tourach.

[kNIOKAS]

Does anyone play this game?

I haven't touched my deck in year and years since 4th edition. What are the top cards now?

Royal assassin? Hymn to tourach.
TMac has sprained eye.

[ErhnamDjinn]

I do been playin on and off for the last 15yrs. The expensive cards are now the dual lands and force of will and tarmogoyf. Theres a new set coming out next week to bad i cant play its going to be the first pre release i miss in i think 8 yrs

here is a forum for magic http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27

[falc39]

I do been playin on and off for the last 15yrs. The expensive cards are now the dual lands and force of will and tarmogoyf. Theres a new set coming out next week to bad i cant play its going to be the first pre release i miss in i think 8 yrs

here is a forum for magic http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27

how much is force of will, i actually still have that from wayyy back hiding somewhere in the basement lol

I actually got force of will and ritual of the machine in the same pack. i gave away ritual of the machine because i hated the picture lol. that really stung

[ErhnamDjinn]

how much is force of will, i actually still have that from wayyy back hiding somewhere in the basement lol

I actually got force of will and ritual of the machine in the same pack. i gave away ritual of the machine because i hated the picture lol. that really stung
This is a store price but its around 50-60

http://sales.starcitygames.com/carddisplay.php?product=14451

[BMOGEFan]

dayam. my underground seas are 100 bucks. shit. i gotta look for it now.

[joe]

My friend is currently ranked like 10th in the state of florida. I used to always kick his decks ass when he lived by me ;) But his decks are on another level now.

I hate the new cards. Way too powerful, and the colors seem to be losing their identity. Though, I'm sure people have been saying that about every new edition, even before I played..

Don't really play anymore. I still have my main deck, which is a white angel control deck. Mother of Runes and cho-manno's blessing make my Angels unblockable while defensive cards like Pacifism, Wrath of God, and Arrest keep the opponents creatures neutralized.

Not the most advanced and it does best against creature-based decks. Red burn decks for example give me trouble, because then my arrests and such become useless. Unless I got Story Circle out burn decks are def. a weakness

[BMOGEFan]

Wow..i just did a bit of searching and found out this deck called dredge that lets you play without using lands. thats amazing.

[joe]

There is no way newer cards can be any powerful than certain old ones. Color identities are still about the same except during Time Spiral block.


If you like angels you are gonna love the new set, Avacyn Restored. There are shit loads of angels and demons.

Yeah some of the old ones are ridiculous, no doubt about it. But just in general, a lot of the new combos just seem silly. And the new abilities. I don't follow MTG like that though so maybe I'm full of shit. In my experience I felt the cards were getting stronger and stronger.

Word, haven't checked out a new set in a WHILEEEEE.

[BMOGEFan]

Yeah some of the old ones are ridiculous, no doubt about it. But just in general, a lot of the new combos just seem silly. And the new abilities. I don't follow MTG like that though so maybe I'm full of shit. In my experience I felt the cards were getting stronger and stronger.

Word, haven't checked out a new set in a WHILEEEEE.

looks to me that "creatures" are getting stronger, but the spells got worse.

So they reprinted this new time walk card called temporal mastery. Wow. It will be pretty easy to use just when you top deck it.

[BMOGEFan]

Man these new decks is unaffordable.

I'm looking at these legacy decks and none of them are cheap. I have some of the older cards, hymn to tourach, dark ritual, underground sea.

Any deck i can make with that?

[BMOGEFan]

Yea ive been researching all day today.

I really like that deck called imperial painter. Lets you mill the opponent's entire deck.

but i can't find any cheap imperial recruiters.

[BMOGEFan]

My friend told me to build a maverick deck. but i dont' see whats so good about it. just a bunch of little creatures without anything thats cheating.

[joe]

^^ That Angel of Hope card is nice, expensive but nice

[ErhnamDjinn]

My friend told me to build a maverick deck. but i dont' see whats so good about it. just a bunch of little creatures without anything thats cheating.
Mavericks the new aggro wg houee thqt replaced zoo in legacy yeah all legacy decks are not cheap excpt for the mentioned burn deck, seas are very sought after, you can also try building the red,blue and green or just play standard, problem with standard is tue constant upkeep cost unlike legacy whic is eternal

[soadrules]

Currently playing Mage Blade.

[soadrules]

According to this (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=407818), red burn deck is the cheapest.

Or you can take a lot of time researching for a new deck that works and nobody doesn't prepare for it.

I wouldn't start playing Legacy. Easily the most expensive format.

[Nick Young]

i had a sick legacy deck, bloodghast dredge, havent played in two years, dunno if bloodghast dredge is even relevant anymore.


EDH is where it's at though, I made a mono red Norin The Wary deck that locks down the whole board, so f*cking annoying but so fun to play. Damn I still love this game. Maybe I'll start playing again over the summer

I was good at it, could probably win some of the big tournaments over here in england if i ever decided to invest money in the game:lol

Last standard I played was when rise of eldrazi was the newest deck, I made an old school style sligh deck with goblin guides, goblin arsonist and jackal pups and goblin bushwhacker that was consistently beating U/W and other decks with all those $50 jaces, my deck cost like $20 total.

Just read theres a new 2 mana red planeswalkjer cominmg out, might need to get back into this game

[Nick Young]

Wow..i just did a bit of searching and found out this deck called dredge that lets you play without using lands. thats amazing.
dredge is sick man, consistent turn two combo wins with a hoard of hasted zombies:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[ErhnamDjinn]

dredge is sick man, consistent turn two combo wins with a hoard of hasted zombies:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
I hate dredge its such a non interactive deck to play against, so glad its such a easy deck to hate out.

To anyone wanting to play magic tips before spending

find what format is most played ie: standard/modern and legacy/EDH, since you dont want to be stuck with a deck you cant actively play.

decide what you want to build first, I suggest buying directly since buying packs is just wasting time ( although I do enjoy drafting and opening packs)

read and be updated on the current meta so you aware of what decks you will be facing.

If you dont have time I suggest investing in Magic online since its more suited to people with time restrained schedules and matches are 24/7

Lastly have fun since its a game at the end of the day.

[soadrules]

i had a sick legacy deck, bloodghast dredge, havent played in two years, dunno if bloodghast dredge is even relevant anymore.


EDH is where it's at though, I made a mono red Norin The Wary deck that locks down the whole board, so f*cking annoying but so fun to play. Damn I still love this game. Maybe I'll start playing again over the summer

I was good at it, could probably win some of the big tournaments over here in england if i ever decided to invest money in the game:lol

Last standard I played was when rise of eldrazi was the newest deck, I made an old school style sligh deck with goblin guides, goblin arsonist and jackal pups and goblin bushwhacker that was consistently beating U/W and other decks with all those $50 jaces, my deck cost like $20 total.

Just read theres a new 2 mana red planeswalkjer cominmg out, might need to get back into this game

You would not win any big tournaments in England. The people that play MTG are insanely competetive and just because you beat some people who had Jaces in their decks doesn't mean you could do it on a competetive level or even close to it.

EDH is fun though. That's how I got started but I wouldn't recommend it. The game mechanics are different enough to where you don't want to be in the EDH mindset when playing Standard.

[ErhnamDjinn]

As a semi-competitive player, it's tough to have that fun feeling when you lost badly either from luck, yourself, or both. You do invest quite a lot to be in the fray and you probably want some back. I've tried my best to enjoy the game though. At least, you lost your money a lot slower than being in a casino.
I used to be ranked 40th in my country and I can agree with you to a extent just so many sore losers or dudes who would do anything to win. With the current prize payout of weekly tournaments the temptation to cheat is high

ie : see Alex Bertocini and Edgar Flores and even Japanese super pro Saito.

I was once in a tourney where I basically won against a top 10 guy and he basically called a judge on me because I made a play error, (basically I didnt declare something which caused the infinite combo/loop for me to occur) So instead of me winning I lost that match, ever since Ive never been nice to the dude and gave him parlay ( I usually help newer players and give leniency to noobs) The reason I mentioned fun is if you dont like it anymore why you still playing.

[ErhnamDjinn]

Of course, playing in any kind of "competitive" tournaments in any games anywhere in the world are not gonna be as fun as playing in more casual environment unless you set your mind right.

EDH is just plain fun for me. It is multiplayer friendly and quite affordable to everyone, old or new players.


EDH is now actually getting to be expensive also rare out of print or obscure trash cards that were hardly used in there heyday are expensive in EDH

like Mana reflection , doubling season, akroma's memorial and gilded lotus to name a few, even newer cards like death barron which was $ bin rare are now $12 due to demand in EDH

another big business in MTG is card alters I have a friend who does alters and charges $20-30 a card and gets orders from around the world.

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[ErhnamDjinn]

New players can easily start with pre-contructed Commander deck for 30 bucks, well, except "Counterpunch" of course, then go from there. You don't really need all those expensive cards if you can't afford them since the format is strictly casual in most places; Crystal Ball instead of Sensei's Divining Top, Cancel instead of Force of Will, a hell lot of non-basic lands instead of dual lands, and so on.
yeah you have a point I actualy enjoy cube better, and so sad I missed out on counterpunch when it was only around $25, now no more scavenging ooze anywhere

[BMOGEFan]

That set is 50 bucks nowadays just because the Ooze is such a hot commodity in Legacy.

There is a report that WoTC will go in Cube format and make it official very soon. The format requires a group of players, but I'm more of a lone wolf so it is not suitable for me.

Been doing some research on maverick. So this jacob kory is the king of maverick huh.

I didn't think that deck was that good.

[BMOGEFan]

Had a terrible Avacyn Restored pre-release events last weekend. I managed to get one Temporal Mastery off packs and a door prize of a Commander set though.

Should I sell that Mythic now?

yea always sell cards in standard especially with the hype of a new card

[Nick Young]

You would not win any big tournaments in England. The people that play MTG are insanely competetive and just because you beat some people who had Jaces in their decks doesn't mean you could do it on a competetive level or even close to it.

EDH is fun though. That's how I got started but I wouldn't recommend it. The game mechanics are different enough to where you don't want to be in the EDH mindset when playing Standard.
No, my local game store in Cali had some players who won star city games opens and I could beat their netdecks with my monored I actually put in some effort into tweaking and playtesting. I'm actually pretty good at MTG, think I could win a big tournament if I tried, and spent months working on a deck to kill the meta.

Too bad they didn't reprint bolt, my favorite card ever

[BMOGEFan]

No, my local game store in Cali had some players who won star city games opens and I could beat their netdecks with my monored I actually put in some effort into tweaking and playtesting. I'm actually pretty good at MTG, think I could win a big tournament if I tried, and spent months working on a deck to kill the meta.

Too bad they didn't reprint bolt, my favorite card ever

What part of cali are you in?

if you are in so cal...thats where i'm from. Those players are RUTHLESS.

[sixerfan82]

I take it MTG is still a pretty popular game?

[soadrules]

No, my local game store in Cali had some players who won star city games opens and I could beat their netdecks with my monored I actually put in some effort into tweaking and playtesting. I'm actually pretty good at MTG, think I could win a big tournament if I tried, and spent months working on a deck to kill the meta.

Too bad they didn't reprint bolt, my favorite card ever

Too bad MTG tournaments aren't about beating them once or twice. I've beaten a few ranked players once or twice. When you can do it consistently on the big stages, come talk to me.

And yes, MTG is still popular.

[BMOGEFan]

Too bad MTG tournaments aren't about beating them once or twice. I've beaten a few ranked players once or twice. When you can do it consistently on the big stages, come talk to me.

And yes, MTG is still popular.

You can beat anyone once in a while playing mono red...RDW.

how hard is it to just lightning bolt, lightning bolt, chain lightning, price of progress.

When you draw poorly, its game. Even if someone sides in COP: Red or Chill. you are pretty game.

[soadrules]

You can beat anyone once in a while playing mono red...RDW.

how hard is it to just lightning bolt, lightning bolt, chain lightning, price of progress.

When you draw poorly, its game. Even if someone sides in COP: Red or Chill. you are pretty game.

I agree. I'm not really sure how that came up?

[BMOGEFan]

I agree. I'm not really sure how that came up?
He said he beat pro players with mono red

[soadrules]

He said he beat pro players with mono red

Guess I missed that.

[Nick Young]

You can beat anyone once in a while playing mono red...RDW.

how hard is it to just lightning bolt, lightning bolt, chain lightning, price of progress.

When you draw poorly, its game. Even if someone sides in COP: Red or Chill. you are pretty game.
No, not netdecked RDW

I built my own version of standard sligh

there's a difference.

My version was faster, more consistent, but also more suicidal with no late game plan.

[QUIZZLE]

No, not netdecked RDW

I built my own version of standard sligh

there's a difference.

My version was faster, more consistent, but also more suicidal with no late game plan.

Wow, you're gayer than I thought.

...didn't think it was possible.

[QUIZZLE]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_USp98aiXK-U/TIqFIoJjlzI/AAAAAAAAAKw/Uh_bHzqc6Jo/s1600/Stillavirgin.jpg

[Nick Young]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_USp98aiXK-U/TIqFIoJjlzI/AAAAAAAAAKw/Uh_bHzqc6Jo/s1600/Stillavirgin.jpg
I boink my gf consistently and am not afraid to admit my love of magic cards, despite being 22, and also anime and comic books:banana: :banana: :banana:

No shame here in my passions, sport

[iamgine]

I used to have trouble with Goblin deck.

[ErhnamDjinn]

Grand Prix : Manila is in a couple of weeks and I still dont have a deck, not even sure if Im going to play, ideal goal is to make day 2 and beat atleast 1 pro.

[BMOGEFan]

Took the deck to a small local tournament today. Placed #1 and split the prize in top 4. Actually, I bonehead my way to victory. You'll see my bonehead plays

Match 1 Against Dredge

Game 1: Somehow I won with 2 knights and plows. I forget the rest. At one point, I had a dryad arbor out, he had a bridge. I didn't cut. I'm an idiot. Then at another point, I cut my tree for no reason, thinking I had a bog maindeck...it was in the sideboard. nevertheless, I won.

Game 2: I bring in 3 surgical extractions, 2 gilded drakes, 1 bojuka bog, 1 path to exile, 2 engineered explosives. Out.. 2 Jace, 1 elspeth, 1 karakas, 2 qasali pridemgae, 1 swords to plowshares, 2 vendilion clique.

Some reason, I won again. He couldn't really dredge out anything. I forget the rest. I did surgical his bridges.

What I learned...i'm an idiot and I should have not put in the 2 gilded drakes. It doesn't work when sacrifice. I should keep the karakas in just in case he has a legendary creature.

2-0

Match 2 - Hypergenesis
Game 1 - My knights finish it with a vendilion clique on a show and tell.

Game 2 - Out, 2 qasali, 1 swords to plowshares, 2 scavenging ooze, 1 elsepth. In, 2 flusterstorm, 2 gilded drake, 1 progenitus, 1 surgical extraction.

At one point, he drops that creature that can cascade, I force the guy that can cascade, not knowing that I cannot do that because he still cascade into hypergenesis. He drops emrukal. I scoop.

Game 3 - It was a long match. I beat him down with a vendilion clique. I waste land two of his lands. He was stuck with 2 lands and I win on the back of my vendilion clique and later a knight. I did back myself up with forces.

2-0 (4-1)

Match 3 - Dredge AGAIN.

Game 1 - He just goes off. I draw absolutely no business.

Game 2 - Boarded the same way except no Gilded Drake. Kept the cliques in this time. I kept a hand with a bojuka bog and a surgical. Once i saw the bridge, I surgical. I protected the surgical with my force of will from his therapy. Funny thing was that he didn't dredge once the whole game. Until his last turn he tried to go off. It was always draw go, draw go. i did have 1 noble hierarch which helped me do some damage.

Game 3 - The game went to time. We drew. I kept a hand of bojuka bog and an engineered explosive. Turn 1 he names surgical. I don't have it. Then knowing that he knows my hand, I play engineered explosive at zero sunburst. The game goes to time. He tries to go off. But i drop the bog into play. Turn 4, I have nothing on board except a noble. He had nacromeba and a stinkweed. I have the engineered explosive in play with 2 mana just in case he tries to go off with tokens. We go to time.

2-0-1 (5-2)

Match 4 - UR Delver

Game 1 - He kept burning me. I come back with a knight. He can't do anything.

Game 2 - I take out 2 Jace and elsepth and a qasali for 2 engineered explosive, path to exile and a flusterstorm. He goes off on me with guide, burn burn burn burn, then he goes reforge the souls and got a whole new hand. That was rough.

Game 3 - I win on the back of a knight after I double waste his two volcanics. He cannot recover.

3-0-1 (7-3)


Notes:

I learned a couple of new rules today with dredge and with cascade. I won't make the same mistake again. I have 2 green sun zeniths. I think I need to up it to 3. I was unable to draw any scavenging oozes against dredge which was horrible. I think i can take out a ponder or an elsepth.

Elsepth was not seen the entire day, but i never faced the right matchups to use her in. The NO package never came in today. Everything else at least came in once or twice.

I was so bored of fighting dredge that in the top four, it was me, 2 dredges and the UR delver guy.

We split the prize, otherwise, I would be playing a dredge deck in the semi, and if i win, I might play against the UR delver or another dredger.

Also note, i think he pulled a fast one on me telling me that I cannot just throw my gilded drake away for a quick bridge from below removal.

[BMOGEFan]

Man i want some tarmogoyfs.

Should i wait or should i just buy them?

[Nick Young]

standard is so shit now.

EDH is where it's at.

My top two EDH decks were Norin The Wary smokestax and Progenitus cascade into hypergenesis or genesis consisting of every awesome fatty ever printed:rockon:

What cards are in that thing besides sylvan library. Sol rings? mirrodin swords? :O

[Nick Young]

You said fatty?

http://hareruyabuy.ocnk.net/data/hareruyabuy/_/70726f647563742f67617468657265722f32313330302e6a70 670032353000.jpg

:D
Cascade into hypergenesis.

So yeh you can take one fatty, big deal I usually get 5 out at a time:rockon:

It doesnt work so well in actual good EDH vs people who get their decks from the internet but it's pretty fun

[BurningHammer]

Trading away Boros Reckoner for Blind Obedience is one of the worst moves I've ever done. Blind Obedience does find many homes in Standard but it cannot be compare with the Reckoner that its price has jumped 5 times of the start ($5 -> $20-25 a piece).

[ErhnamDjinn]

I actually like the modern concept, since I can no longer afford the legacy duals, problem is certain cards are already becoming like legacy prices due to modern demand, ie Thoughtsize, confidant, vendillion clique and co.

Good thing I played alot during that time and have those and hopefully a modern masters reprint will stimy the increase.

I also hate price gougers and speculators who buy all the stuff up in hopes of manipulating the market, one reason I hate Starcity games since they are the number one price gougers of stuff.

[ErhnamDjinn]

Occasionally shark jumping by WoTC; the legendary rules has been changed again.

Now, two same legends in the battlefield won't killed each other anymore. Both players may play the same legends at the same time but each can only have one legend at a time. Same goes to planeswalkers.

So, clone tricks against certain annoying legends (Emrakul, Geist of Saint Traft, Gaea's Cradle, etc.) won't work anymore.
what a dumb a$$ rule over simplyfying the game, the only rule I did like was changing of the sideboarding rule, where its now any number until 15 cards and the switching of sideboard and main deck is no longer swapping 1:1

[ErhnamDjinn]

Somebody speculates that the change is just because Theros block will be full of legends ala Kamikawa block.
most likely it is since Theros seems to be of Greek mythology and stuff.

[ErhnamDjinn]

The thing is that, in Standard scene, it will give enormous power to Geist of Saint Traft and Sigarda users in the next 3 months, and EDH will a mess for blue players.
this actually makes Show and tell so strong in legacy since it weakens Karakas and the clone effects people sideboard in to counter emrakul and strengthens Omniscience since they can go Omni into Emrakul extra turn then Emrakul again next turn and still keep one Emrakul in play. Also alot of EDH generals just became extremely hard to kill like the and formetioned Sigarda, Uril and Thrun and Geist

[RRR3]

Trading away Boros Reckoner for Blind Obedience is one of the worst moves I've ever done. Blind Obedience does find many homes in Standard but it cannot be compare with the Reckoner that its price has jumped 5 times of the start ($5 -> $20-25 a piece).
Ouch. Boros reckoner is dirty.

[Nanners]

Trading away Boros Reckoner for Blind Obedience is one of the worst moves I've ever done. Blind Obedience does find many homes in Standard but it cannot be compare with the Reckoner that its price has jumped 5 times of the start ($5 -> $20-25 a piece).

hey they both cost about $2 right now so i guess it was okay in the end :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

standard is so weak and bullshit now. Got modern goblin deck, legacy dredge and Progenitals and Norin the Wary EDH:rockon: Haven't played for a year or so though, might look for games around here again

[Nanners]

fetchlands are finally getting reprinted. modern and legacy just became much more accessable.

[Nanners]

Still doesn't mean it is gonna get any cheaper, especially after the set rotates. But sure, if you are into Modern, get them while you can.

yes it does. there will be a TON of kahns opened. rare cards that are getting mass printed have price ceilings, if they get too expensive stores will just open boxes and sell them as singles. the price should settle between $10-20 for the new fetches.

[RRR3]

Standard isn't going to be as appealing to me once Ravnica rotates

[Nick Young]

fetchlands are finally getting reprinted. modern and legacy just became much more accessable.
NOOOOOOOOOO!! I was sitting on 3 foil misty rainforests. Will their price decrease or go up?

[KyrieTheFuture]

NOOOOOOOOOO!! I was sitting on 3 foil misty rainforests. Will their price decrease or go up?
Their price certainly won't go up, but they're foil staples and I'm almost positive they have different art anyway so that'll keep the price high. Something to remember is that demand will be extremely high first two weeks of Khans because not enough lands will have been opened to meet demand, sell in that window or keep them.

Anyway, Khans is about to the best set in forever, somehow Theros is the highest selling set ever and it blew ass.

[Mr.Kite]

With fetches reprinting, Modern demand could go up within 2 years and that might drive the price of all 10 fetches up a little more, but the days of $100 non-foil fetches may be over.

Khans will be the best set just because there are things for people to hunt down. For me, the quality of MTG sets depend on how good are limited formats on those sets. 3-colored based sets are usually more complex to draft but more fun to play.

it can also be reprinted to shit like shock lands.

the first cycle of lands in khans, then zen fetches in khans 2, then the reprint of all lands in khans 3.

[Nanners]

fetches getting reprinted means the price of pretty much every other modern and legacy staple should be going up.

[Nick Young]

Their price certainly won't go up, but they're foil staples and I'm almost positive they have different art anyway so that'll keep the price high. Something to remember is that demand will be extremely high first two weeks of Khans because not enough lands will have been opened to meet demand, sell in that window or keep them.

Anyway, Khans is about to the best set in forever, somehow Theros is the highest selling set ever and it blew ass.
Its lame they've slowed down red so much and stopped reprinting lightning bolt. Why:facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

Its lame they've slowed down red so much and stopped reprinting lightning bolt. Why:facepalm
Dumbing the game down, they got rid of a lot of great cards/strategies. Every color but Black has been downgraded, and red took a hit with worse burn, and no playable land destruction.


it can also be reprinted to shit like shock lands.

the first cycle of lands in khans, then zen fetches in khans 2, then the reprint of all lands in khans 3.
That won't happen. Zen fetches will be reprinted in return to Zendikar. Don't expect more lands in the next Khan set. By the way, there's only two Khan sets I think, not 3. Or is that change implemented after Khans?

[Nick Young]

I like Dega colours a lot, so the idea of this set is cool, but standard is just so slow and noob like these days I cannot be bothered to get back in to it.

just looked up these charms. Very very underwhelming for 3 colours, especially compared to the guild charms.

[BurningHammer]

Some dude taped himself opening a $5k Alpha starter pack. Look what he found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRxCeO2KIS8

(He probably don't own the pack but the sponsor though)

[Nick Young]

http://www.collectorsquest.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/black_lotus.jpg
Don't know anything about this game, but reading it doesn't make me think it does anything special... I must be missing something.. I get that it's rare but why is it worth 27,000-30,000$$ :confusedshrug:
Are you sure it's worth that now? Back in 2006 when I was playing hard core it was only like $900.

Crazy.

It's rare because such a tiny amount of those were printed in the first place, and it's broken so will never be printed again. There is a professional format in Magic where you need that card if you want to be truly competitive too, Vintage aka Type 1.

Also because it was in one of the first sets printed, not a lot of copies that were printed are in circulation-lots were probably thrown away or treated in shit condition because no one knew that Magic would still be around 20 years later, and that the card would be worth anything.

Shit,are you serious Black Lotus is worth $27,000 now? It's still just a piece of printed cardboard.

[bigkingsfan]

Saw a PSA 10 graded going for 15k on Ebay. Lower graded are under 10k.

[Nick Young]

Google "man opens black lotus", you'll see different reports that say between 27,000 and 30,000$$ but my GF and I are looking them up now and they don't seem to be selling for more than 12,000 at the most.
Probably that one is mint condition then, and the rest are not in as good condition.

Still though, $12000 when that card was worth $900 in 2006, that's pretty huge.

I've been checking sites and a bunch of my old cards have jumped up in price ALOT.

I wonder if this card game will stick around-loads of other collectible card games have died out by Magic just seems to be getting bigger. Glad I hung on to these things, don't have a black lotus though. It's still a fun game to play for me, I just don't have a lot of friends near me who play to play it with anymore.

Fun fact about magic-did you know in 98-99 they were showing live matches on ESPN?

[BurningHammer]

Fun fact about magic-did you know in 98-99 they were showing live matches on ESPN?
It happens to be around the time when MTG became broken again courtesy of Urza Saga's R&D team.

[BurningHammer]

Google "man opens black lotus", you'll see different reports that say between 27,000 and 30,000$$ but my GF and I are looking them up now and they don't seem to be selling for more than 12,000 at the most.
That 27k one is in near-mint condition. The one on YT is clearly in mint condition, which will be priced differently i.e. surely higher than 27k.

[Nick Young]

It happens to be around the time when MTG became broken again courtesy of Urza Saga's R&D team.
First set I bought cards of was Apocalypse. First rare was Penumbra Wurm:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
http://www.cardkingdom.com/media/images/products/standard/51083_1.jpg

[joe]

I finished top 8 in Friday Night Magic last week. There was like 25-30 people there, so I was pretty happy. I very nearly beat the #1 ranked guy in the tournament. We traded blowouts in games 1 and 2 before a very tight game 3. We both had 10 life and several creatures on the board. That was until he drew this card and swiftly killed me for the painful loss:

http://i57.tinypic.com/2cymnvb.jpg



Dumbing the game down, they got rid of a lot of great cards/strategies. Every color but Black has been downgraded, and red took a hit with worse burn, and no playable land destruction.

I am currently running a black-red minotaur/burn deck in standard, and yes, they did downgrade both colors with this recent set. However, most of my most important cards are still standard, so it didnt affect me all that much!


http://i58.tinypic.com/8vuvdz.jpg

Ahh yes, black lotus.


Don't know anything about this game, but reading it doesn't make me think it does anything special... I must be missing something.. I get that it's rare but why is it worth 27,000-30,000$$

The price is a reflection of both the rarity, and how massively strong this card is. It might not seem that great at first glance to someone who doesnt play the game. However, adding three lands of ANY COLOR, on turn 1, for no mana cost, is absolutely insane. Along with the mana that you play for the turn, you now have 4 mana and your opponent has nothing. There are so many cards to play, but how about this?

http://i61.tinypic.com/30cnc68.jpg

Before your opponent has even played one turn. Brutal!

[joe]

http://media.giphy.com/media/JPayEyQPRCUTe/giphy.gif

haha. Basically, mana is what allows you to play your cards. For instance, this card costs 3 Mana to play, as you can tell by the upper right hand corner:

http://i60.tinypic.com/sbk5l5.jpg

It requires three lands to play that card.


Importantly, you can only play one land, or ''mana,'' per turn. No matter how many lands you have in your hand, you can only play one of them every turn. And since you only draw one card per turn, it can take time to build up the your mana resources.

(Technically, a land produces mana, but I am just using the words interchangeably to avoid confusing you.)

So, take another look at Black Lotus:

http://i58.tinypic.com/8vuvdz.jpg

If you look at the upper right hand corner, you see that this card costs 0 mana. So, you can play this card for zero mana cost, and then it has the ability to give you three mana. So, on turn one, you have three more mana than you otherwise would have.

Remember earlier, I said that it can take time to build up your mana resources. Well, if you have black lotus, you can immediately play powerful cards before your opponent has a chance to build their resources. If you draw two black lotus on your opening hand, you can cast some of the strongest monsters in the game before your opponent has even played one turn.

In other words... it is a super, ridiculously broken card! Way way overpowered. Super rare. And criminally expensive.

For some reason I had fun writing that, even if you probably don't care that much. Oh well :P

[BurningHammer]

Nah, I appreciate it.. I understand a bit better than before, would probably have to actually play it to fully grasp it.


Now why I came in here, that card is now for sale, the asking price of 100,000$
There will be someone crazy enough to buy it for financial reasons. The game has caught the high wind a long time ago and it won't just die even Hasbro suddenly killed the game off for whatever reasons. And, at this point, there is no sign of the game dying. There will be demand.

The obviously mint Alpha Black Lotus may have a potential to be valued at Honus Wagner level, and the game has only been around for 21 years.

[BurningHammer]

I was at GP Ottawa on Sunday (couldn't attend the main event on Saturday because of works), entering a big Sealed tournament of 170+ players. My pool was crap money-wise but quite strong to play around with Icy Blast and Crater Claws. I had an amazing run with 5 wins in a row even the one that I was penalized a game because of incorrect deck registration, only to lose the first game due to not showing morph creatures at the end of the match that I actually won. I survived until the end of the tournament with 6-3 record, finished at 16th place, the last prize spot of a half of Khans box! :banana: :banana: :banana:

[KyrieTheFuture]

I was at GP Ottawa on Sunday (couldn't attend the main event on Saturday because of works), entering a big Sealed tournament of 170+ players. My pool was crap money-wise but quite strong to play around with Icy Blast and Crater Claws. I had an amazing run with 5 wins in a row even the one that I was penalized a game because of incorrect deck registration, only to lose the first game due to not showing morph creatures at the end of the match that I actually won. I survived until the end of the tournament with 6-3 record, finished at 16th place, the last prize spot of a half of Khans box! :banana: :banana: :banana:
Post any good pulls

[BurningHammer]

Post any good pulls
http://i.imgur.com/w1tSod0.jpg

[KyrieTheFuture]

Sorin and the best fetch? Nice.

[BurningHammer]

Sorin and the best fetch? Nice.
I only plays Standard and the best fetch in standard right now is not Polluted Delta, but I know its values in other formats. So, it is all good. :cheers:

[iamgine]

I sold a photocopy of Black Lotus for $700 back in 2001. The kid was so happy he didn't even inspect it. :lol

Been a long time. What's the strongest set post 7th edition?

[BurningHammer]

I sold a photocopy of Black Lotus for $700 back in 2001. The kid was so happy he didn't even inspect it. :lol

Been a long time. What's the strongest set post 7th edition?
In term of power level, Mirrodin, probably.

Almost every sets seem to have at least 1-2 overpowered multi-format cards.

[KyrieTheFuture]

In term of power level, Mirrodin, probably.

Almost every sets seem to have at least 1-2 overpowered multi-format cards.
Except Theros Block, shit was garbage

[BurningHammer]

Except Theros Block, shit was garbage
Somewhat agreed. I believe WOTC is trying to shift its demographics to EDH players more, leading to those clunky but quite powerful cards like god cycle and others.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Somewhat agreed. I believe WOTC is trying to shift its demographics to EDH players more, leading to those clunky but quite powerful cards like god cycle and others.
Realistically a smart move, it's the most popular format outside of standard and limited (I believe) and people will play those regardless of what's put out. Why cater to smaller group of players? Especially from a secondary market POV they have no need to create legacy or modern bombs that aren't applicable in standard, they sell packs not singles. That being said, I wish the reserved list was gone.

[BurningHammer]

Realistically a smart move, it's the most popular format outside of standard and limited (I believe) and people will play those regardless of what's put out. Why cater to smaller group of players? Especially from a secondary market POV they have no need to create legacy or modern bombs that aren't applicable in standard, they sell packs not singles. That being said, I wish the reserved list was gone.
The reserved list is good and fair. Reprinting highly valued broken cards can kill the game. Players and resellers do care about their possession's values and you don't want to anger both who are the core of the buyers. I know it first-handed because one of older CCGs I used to play heavily died this way.

[BurningHammer]

Dragons of Tarkir

http://i.imgur.com/E6TRz1J.jpg

MTG: Origins

http://i.imgur.com/XTaPPyh.jpg

Also, Goyf (again, at Mythic) and Khan Liberated will be reprinted in Modern Master 2. :ohwell:

[BurningHammer]

Had the best MTG pre-release weekend. 3 tournaments, 2 short and 1 long. Won 2-0 then split prizes for the former and finished at 3rd place out of 30 something players for the latter.

Got Sarkhan Unbroken (about $15-20), Narset Transcendent (about $35-40) and another Narset but in foil ($85-$100) for those prize packs. Only spend about 60 something bucks for those and more.

:pimp:

[BurningHammer]

Pro Tour: Battle for Zendikar is going on, and this card is all over the place.

http://i.imgur.com/oY5LWuj.jpg

It was 10 bucks then, 75 now and it will may reach 100 soon. :ohwell:

[Nick Young]

woo is there a live stream? Is that card really worth $100 now? LOL, I have 4 of them, bought them from some guy for $20 total when it came out.

[Smoke117]

I used to play when i was younger and thought I would get into it, so bought a starter, box of boosters for the 2015 core set and than a box of the newest Dragons of Tarkir set. This was february/march...and ever since opening the cards they have just been sitting there. lol

[BurningHammer]

woo is there a live stream? Is that card really worth $100 now? LOL, I have 4 of them, bought them from some guy for $20 total when it came out.
It is not right now, but if there are decks that have good showings, or even win the Pro Tour this weekend, expect another price jump.

I don't think it will hit $100, though I were wrong about Jace's price hikes so many times.

[Nick Young]

flip jace is good but I don't think $100 great.

[KyrieTheFuture]

It's no LOTV but he wont dip until rotation, he's played in legacy and modern, and a bit of vintage

[BurningHammer]

RIP Christopher Rush, one of earlier artists for MTG. The art of one of most expensive cards was drew by him.

http://assets.dacw.co/itemimages/108734_fr.jpg

[Nick Young]

GOAT game is GOAT

[Nick Young]

flip jace is good but I don't think $100 great.
what a foolish quote this was. flip jace is a beast. I made an EDH high tide deck with him as the general:rockon:

[KyrieTheFuture]

what a foolish quote this was. flip jace is a beast. I made an EDH high tide deck with him as the general:rockon:
God I was considering sinking a grand into him a while back but chose sealed product instead, still made money, but I was gonna buy in at $30.


I don't think I'll play until Shadows, I never got to play the original Innistrad Block it was during a time I took a hiatus.

[Nick Young]

I just sold all my old eldrazi shit like eye of ugins and eldrazi temples for a playset of LED, it spiked $60+ each the week after I bought them:rockon:

Standard is shit, modern has turned pretty shit, legacy and EDH still where it's at:rockon:

Flip jace going over Jace the Mind sculptor now in price. The only one I have is one I opened. All of us are fools for not buying loads when they were $15-20 each but hindsight is 20/20


I took a hiatus during original Innistrad too, only came back for BFZ. From what it looks like the power level in SoI is pretty weak though. I'm hoping for some good aggro red one drops atleast. I haven't bought any Oath of Gatewatch except for Reality Smashers and Eldrazi mimics I bought when they were really cheap and have since sold off.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I just sold all my old eldrazi shit like eye of ugins and eldrazi temples for a playset of LED, it spiked $60+ each the week after I bought them:rockon:

Standard is shit, modern has turned pretty shit, legacy and EDH still where it's at:rockon:

Flip jace going over Jace the Mind sculptor now in price. The only one I have is one I opened. All of us are fools for not buying loads when they were $15-20 each but hindsight is 20/20
Do you just play with friends or do you do Store events?

I have no one to play with since moving to Colorado but I find that 95% of the people who attend these events are weird as ****. I'm somehow the most normal person in the room.

Edit: Red has always been my color so the lack of viable burn in recent sets has really turned me off.

[Nick Young]

Do you just play with friends or do you do Store events?

I have no one to play with since moving to Colorado but I find that 95% of the people who attend these events are weird as ****. I'm somehow the most normal person in the room.
store events but not weekly, maybe once a month. Now that I have LED's I'm going to start going to a monthly legacy tournament near me where the winner gets a revised dual land.

Most of the people at these stores are f*cking weirdos and not pleasant to be around. There was one local store that was badass and we were allowed to smoke in the back and drink in the shop and the people were relatively normal, but it got closed down a few months ago. I have been playing less tournaments now because the other stores are full of weirdos and gamey asshole wannabe pros who throw tantrums when they lose.

Playing EDH with my friends is the best option.

I heard there are some good stores in Denver.

Red is my color too. I got pissed how shit and slow they made it in the new Zendikar block. I'm playing Blue Red prowess aggro right now in standard and it's pretty fast, but I'd rather do mono red. Magic design team is ****ing up with these shitty new sets.

[KyrieTheFuture]

store events but not weekly, maybe once a month. Now that I have LED's I'm going to start going to a monthly legacy tournament near me where the winner gets a revised dual land.

Most of the people at these stores are f*cking weirdos and not pleasant to be around. There was one local store that was badass and we were allowed to smoke in the back and drink in the shop and the people were relatively normal, but it got closed down a few months ago. I have been playing less tournaments now because the other stores are full of weirdos and gamey asshole wannabe pros who throw tantrums when they lose.

Playing EDH with my friends is the best option.

I heard there are some good stores in Denver.

Red is my color too. I got pissed how shit and slow they made it in the new Zendikar block. I'm playing Blue Red prowess aggro right now in standard and it's pretty fast, but I'd rather do mono red. Magic design team is ****ing up with these shitty new sets.

Damn. I've wanted Duals for a long time solely for collection purposes. I collect moreso than play mainly due to your second paragraph. It's just not a pleasant experience most of the time.

I got back into it for RTR (the original was one of my favorites). Which was decent, but not enough in terms of impressive cards and very weak for flavor (to me). Theros was really the start of something awful. Power level has been depressing, and flavor hasn't been much better. Getting harder for me to justify purchases.

[BurningHammer]

There are rumors with the upcoming Eternal Masters set that said to include Force of Will, Wasteland (those two are officially in), Jace the Mind Sculptor, Liliana of the Veil, Show and Tell, Sneak Attack, etc.


Mythics (15):
Force of Will
Liliana of the Veil
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Stoneforge Mystic
Snapcaster Mage
Show and Tell
Sneak Attack
Umezawa's Jitte
Kaalia of the Vast
Mana Drain
Karakas
Grim Tutor
Mana Crypt
Batterskull
Dark Depths

Rares (53):

Sensei's Divining Top
Wasteland
Verdant Catacombs
Scalding Tarn
Marsh Flats
Misty Rainforest
Arid Mesa
Rishadan Port
Vampiric Tutor
Necropotence
Phyrexian Altar
Scroll Rack
Damnation
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Gifts Ungiven
Life From the Loam
Wrath of God
Exploration
True-Name Nemesis
Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
Karona, False God
Psychatog
Maro
Gamble
Hymn to Tourach
Lin-Sivvi, Defiant Rebel
Counterbalance
Land Tax
Sylvan Library
Mindslicer
Ichorid
Flusterstorm
Goblin Recruiter
Hermit Druid
Birthing Pod
Doubling Season
Cursed Scroll
Upheval
Golgari-Grave Troll
AEther Vial
Green Sun's Zenith
Teferi, Temporal Archmage
Zur the Enchanter
Jace's Archivist
Windfall
Oath of Druids
Ancient Tomb
Lotus Petal
Cabal Therapy
Terminus
Past in Flames
Glimpse of Nature
Cavern of Souls

The suggested retail price is $9.99 per pack, which most local retailers will never sell at that price.

[KyrieTheFuture]

They absolutely need to print the Top again. Shit has an absurd price tag.

I'm not doing any investment until after the set is fully announced. Too many things will tank and rise.

[BurningHammer]

Both FoW and Wasteland's prices start to dip btw.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I haven't checked, but I've been told the Duals are all rising on the chance this bumps interest in Legacy/Vintage play

[Nick Young]

I haven't checked, but I've been told the Duals are all rising on the chance this bumps interest in Legacy/Vintage play
Every major card on the reserved list that is played in Legacy is spiking in price and dealers are buying them out.:rockon: