Evolution is not Science but a Religion.

[Bladers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQuZLY_Jo-A

"I don't care what you believe, but don't call it Science"

Nice 5 min clip. :applause: :applause:

[Take Your Lumps]

The catholic church disagrees.

[dunksby]

Bladers your existence single handedly nullifies the concept of evolution.

[DonDadda59]

Any new predictions being beamed down from the big man upstairs? Everyone is still in awe of how spot on your last visions were:


The Book of Negrodamus

http://citizenx.org/wp-content/negrodamus.png

CHAPTER 1

1) There will be an as-sa-ssi-na-tion attempt on the president before the end of the year.

2) Obama will have a short-term presidency (less than 4 years), this will leave many speechless.

3) There will be a death in America that will cause the people of america to RIOT!

4) There would be a week or even a day in 2010 that would shock the entire world.

5) Then martial law will be decreed, You will see military in the streets. Certain cities will have curfew and police state imposition.

6) You will see a change in the economy starting from the end of October going into 2011, wall street will take a dive downwards and things would be at very worst by 2012 to the point it would seem impossible to recover.

7) Between now and 2012, there will come a season of Chaos, Riots & Civil War, a women will arise out of it and lead the nation.

8) After all this, Eventually the government will come out with a new currency.

9) The US Capital will be moved to another part of the country.


As these come to pass, you will know that the LORD, he is GOD.

CHAPTER 2

And doubting the piety and sincerity of Bladers' mission, the heretic TennesseeFan inquired as to why an apostle of the LORD, a messenger of the great prophet Negrodamus would settle for proselytizing on internet message boards. The clouds parted and angelic harps played a sweet melody as Bladers voice boomed across the Earth and towards the Heavens:


HAHA isn't it funny, You have no clue who I am.
I am a street evanglist.
I'm the guy you see standing on the street preaching abotu Jesus.
That is what I do.

I also do one on one evanglism on the street.
What do you do? Sit here cursing like you got the hilly-ghost...
When is the last time you went out and preached the gospel?
When was it? I do it every week...

You do know what Jesus says about hypocrites? They will receive the greater damnation.

And thus, the world over learned to not question the message of the prophet and the work of his messenger.

CHAPTER 3

And the LORD thy GOD said, if thou doth lack faith in my prophet, put thine money where thy mouth is:

If the events from now to 2012 listed comes to pass:

1) You will consider the fact there is a GOD.
2) You will go buy a NT bible and seriously read it.
3) You will pray for a week asking GOD, whoever it is to reveal himself to you.
4) You will give 10 dollars to the charity of your choice.

CHAPTER 4

And thus having proven his resolve and commitment to the word of the LORD as spoken through his prophet, and having no heretic with the gall to bet against the LORD by paypal, Bladers set forth to gather more prophecies from the great prophet of the LORD so that he may spread them to the masses yearning for the word. So from on top of the Holy mount of ISH, did he reveal the tablets with the word warning the inhabitants of the great cities of the new Kittim:


I would move out if I were you, come back after 2012.
I'm serious. :-(

IF you live near 1400 New York in D.C, you are better off breaking your lease!

And the masses, hushed with fear and trepidation, fled the cities of York and Washington in droves, taking only with them unleavened bread as they prepared to trek across the vast desert.

Yet, still some men of the tribe of York questioned the veracity of the word.

When, oh messenger, shall the hour of tribulation come they asked? Feeling the power of the Holy Ghost overcome him, Bladers said:


The Lord hasn't given a date concerning it.
But the beginning season of chaos is so close. So very close.
When you start seeing what I listed in the prophecy thread start coming to pass, your best bet is to leave.

If the things don't come to pass, then you don't have to leave of-course.
and don't forget the decision you have to make concerning your belief about God. Every atheist on this forum will have to make this decision. Because the events that will take place soon will shock you all and bring the reality of the all knowing God, maker of heaven and earth to actuality.

The LORD thy God knows what will happen and when, but he takes great joy in being vague so that he may test thy patience.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Progress from a a complex chemical soup to a living organism is really slow.

Sure is, it don't even happen

:roll:

[miller-time]

Bladers your existence single handedly nullifies the concept of evolution.

not really, evolution works on the natural selection of random mutations. bladers carries the gene for moron so he just won't be selected for and the human race will move on.

[Deuce Bigalow]

If it is, it's the only religion with proof.
Did you not watch the video?

All those type of evolution has never been observed and has no proof. The only one that has proof is micro-evolution, which really isn't 'evolution' at all like the one taught

[DonDadda59]

Did you not watch the video?

The same video where I learned that Evolution leads to Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin? :oldlol:

Evolution is FACT homie. Not hocus pocus or recycled myth, but FACT. But please, tell me more...

[miller-time]

Did you not watch the video?

All those type of evolution has never been observed and has no proof. The only one that has proof is micro-evolution, which really isn't 'evolution' at all like the one taught

Hovind asks how elements heavier than iron form in stars, then he goes on to say that we see stars supernova. guess at what point heavier elements form during a stars life time.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The same video where I learned that Evolution leads to Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin? :oldlol:

Evolution is FACT homie. Not hocus pocus or recycled myth, but FACT. But please, tell me more...
Give me this fact then. I'm all ears.

The types of evolution discussed by scientists are:
Cosmic Evolution (the origin of space, time, matter and energy from nothing)
Stellar and Planetary Evolution (the origin of stars and planets)
Abiogenesis (the origin of organic life from non-organic molecules)
Biological Evolution (the development and diversification of biological life, often broken into microevolution and macroevolution)
Chemical Evolution (the development of the larger elements from hydrogen)

Give me the facts on these. (except micro, since that happnes, even though it's not really "evolution")

[miller-time]

this guy owns kent in a radio debate. he doesn't refute kent, he demolishes him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnb_pmRDpqU

[Jailblazers7]

this guy owns kent in a radio debate. he doesn't refute kent, he demolishes him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnb_pmRDpqU

This is actually kind of painful to listen to lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

this guy owns kent in a radio debate. he doesn't refute kent, he demolishes him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnb_pmRDpqU
Asking for an application. That's owning him? okay..:rolleyes:

[miller-time]

This is actually kind of painful to listen to lol

do you mean the audio quality or kents uneducated and misguided approach to science?

[Jailblazers7]

do you mean the audio quality or kents uneducated and misguided approach to science?

The second thing lol

[Velocirap31]

Cosmic Evolution (the origin of space, time, matter and energy from nothing)

I don't have all night, but I'll do this one off the top of my head. It was discovered that the universe is expanding. How do they know this? Determining the speed of nearby galaxies (it is possible, quite simple actually) it was discovered that they are all moving away from us. This was not too surprising, but what was surprising was their acceleration. All visible galaxies are accelerating away from us due to dark energy (we don't know what it is, but it must be there to account for this acceleration). Now if you reverse these speeds and directions, it was discovered that all these systems are moving towards a single point, all of them. This means that at one point, all visible matter in our visible universe was once at a single point. This point would have had unimaginable density and gravity. Now, at some point this singularity exploded in the event called the Big Bang. This event cannot be compared with anything we know of, lets say 10^99 hydrogen bombs, but probably more powerful even.

We know this explosion took place because it still has after-effects today. The static on your television and radios? (Yeah that's it). Now this singularity had all the matter we know of (including dark matter which makes up most of the universe). We know dark matter is there because it explains discrepancies in mass that cannot exist otherwise. Before this big bang, we don't know what there was, if anything. The large Hadron collider in Switzerland is attempting to figure out what existed immediately after the big bang.

So when did time start? No idea, but all matter and energy we see and are today, came from the big bang. What about space? Remember that black holes bend space and time around them significantly. The singularity of all matter would have been infinitely more effective at this, so it is possible that time and space did not exist before the big bang. Time and space would have been so incredibly distorted around this singularity that they probably were non existent. How do we know that time and space distort around massive gravities? Mathematics proves that they would have to.

That was fun.

[miller-time]

Asking for an application. That's owning him? okay..:rolleyes:

in turn it is. because it highlights the fact that kent performed no experimental studies, has no application of his "work", and his entire approach to science is simply to disagree with anything that disagrees with the bible. it isn't science - the empirical study of nature to better understand the universe, it is the merely an attempt to refute any scientific theory that disagrees with his preconceived beliefs.

in actuality i don't believe kent believes this at all. he is more likely a charlatan scamming gullible religious folk. but that is a separate discussion.
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[miller-time]

thunderf00t made some pretty good videos refuting guys like kent too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdEZTdOlGss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjFeVwuJB7I

[bmulls]

If you don't believe in evolution in this day and age you either:

1) Haven't studied it.

2) Are completely retarded.

Evolution is only a "theory" in the sense that gravity is also a "theory". I don't see any of you dumbasses jumping out of windows.

[Velocirap31]

Stellar and Planetary Evolution (the origin of stars and planets)

This one took a while, but after the big bang there were atoms all over the place. They would come together due to entropy (randomness). As they come together, they are now heavier and attract more and more. This was the formation of our early elements. Eventually, enough matter is gathered to form stars (and these would be ridiculously large stars). These ultra massive stars would have ridiculous gravity at their cores. The pressure in these cores is so massive that elements are broken down and energy is released (hence why it's hot). New elements are formed as lower elements are fused together under this heat and pressure. Eventually the element iron is reached and that is the last one in this process. When too much iron is at the core, the sun's weight collapses in on itself and again, ridiculous explosion of energy. This explosion is good though, because its energy and heat produces many more elements that exist in our universe. Out of this explosion, smaller starts form, but for the tiny remainders, these become planets (not dense enough to crush elements and make energy like stars). That's how you get planets and stars in a nutshell. I might be missing points, but that's the just of what I know.

[KingBeasley08]

OP is a fraud. Condems homosexuality and calls it a sin when he has his b@llsack lodged firmly in Kobe's mouth


Did you not watch the video?

All those type of evolution has never been observed and has no proof. The only one that has proof is micro-evolution, which really isn't 'evolution' at all like the one taught

wow

[DonDadda59]

Give me this fact then. I'm all ears.

The types of evolution discussed by scientists are:
Cosmic Evolution (the origin of space, time, matter and energy from nothing)
Stellar and Planetary Evolution (the origin of stars and planets)
Abiogenesis (the origin of organic life from non-organic molecules)
Biological Evolution (the development and diversification of biological life, often broken into microevolution and macroevolution)
Chemical Evolution (the development of the larger elements from hydrogen)

Give me the facts on these. (except micro, since that happnes, even though it's not really "evolution")

Cosmic Evolution

Evidence of the Cosmic Evolution of Intial Mass Function (IMF)/Astrophysical Journal 2/10/08 (http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/674/1/29/pdf/73004.web.pdf)

And there are several high profile experiments being conducted as I right this (LHC being the main one) that aims to provide a model/empirical evidence. Plus the idea that the big bang came from 'nothing' is an idea that is not generally accepted, there are plenty of scientists who've theorized about the state of the universe before the big bang:

Planck going back in time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPuhJ98VjoA)

But yeah, a bearded wizard in the clouds shaking his magic wand and everything popping out of thin air fully formed makes a ton more sense :lol

Stellar and Planet Evolution

We can study the life cycles of stars/planets and we've seen plenty of stars turn into red giants then a white dwarf(our own sun will in about 5 billion years) and explode. Is this not an example of stellar evolution? :biggums:

Abiogenesis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OwSARYTK7w

First Evidence of Abiogenesis? (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/)

Biological Evolution

First, explain to me why you disregard microevolution.

And this is before we even get into fossil record, genetic variance/changes over generations (ie, bacteria), geographic distribution, chemical/anatomical similarities in related life forms, and so on and so forth.

Tell me... what do you believe is the driving factor behind existence/life/etc if not evolution? I'm fascinated.

[DonDadda59]

Looks like I missed the party :lol

Oh well, carry on.

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[Riley Martin]

Not gonna bother watching the video. A theory proven following the scientific method can't be construed as religion. Religion is faith, science is deduction and hypothesis testing.

[KingBeasley08]

^ I had to look that shit up and...

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[Jimmy2k8]

The Theory of Evolutions follows the Scientific Method. However, religion does not.

[Randy]

Science is a lie! *Uses WiFi to post from laptop onto an interconnected global communication network*

[gigantes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQuZLY_Jo-A

"I don't care what you believe, but don't call it Science"

Nice 5 min clip. :applause: :applause:
hey, bladers-

after you start a topic, is there ever actually a chance that you'll learn from it?

[dunksby]

Science is a lie! *Uses WiFi to post from laptop onto an interconnected global communication network*
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[Stuckey]

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s157/nkthomas618/lost_marbles-kit111111111111.gif

if you find his marbles........

[RoseCity07]

Evolution is not even a theory, it is a scientific fact. I'm taking anthropology and there is no question that evolution is real.

Science always beats religion because science is tentative. You can come up with a hypothesis and test something, therefore science can advance. Religion just says believe this because I say so. Religion is just based on fear.

[miller-time]

religious trolls these days are pretty weak. i remember back in the day you could get a 10 page thread happening in a matter of minutes. they have already given up. can't even be bothered to copy paste... lame bladers. very lame.

[Velocirap31]

religious trolls these days are pretty weak. i remember back in the day you could get a 10 page thread happening in a matter of minutes. they have already given up. can't even be bothered to copy paste... lame bladers. very lame.

Definitely. This is disappointing. We need a new religious troll. Bladers is weak now, he used to be relentless.

[vinsane01]

I think part of the reason some people accept microevolution as true and not macroevolution is because microorganisms were not mentioned in the bible. If it were mentioned they'll desperately find a way to discredit it. But of course people back then could not even fathom the existence of very minute lifeforms living within us in symbiotically and others as parasites causing diseases.

[miller-time]

I think part of the reason some people accept microevolution as true and not macroevolution is because microorganisms were not mentioned in the bible. If it were mentioned they'll desperately find a way to discredit it. But of course people back then could not even fathom the existence of very minute lifeforms living within us in symbiotically and others as parasites causing diseases.

they take microevolution to mean changes or variation within a species with limits. they have this idea that animals are grouped into kinds, and you cannot create another kind of animal from an ancestral animal. rabbits will always produce rabbits, however they can produce rabbits that have small variations such as longer ears or different coloured fur. these changes are "microevolution", but there is a limit. so a rabbit will never produce a non-rabbit.

it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the size of the organism. evolution in bacteria is the same as evolution in all other plants and animals.

what is wrong about the statement is that microevolution and macroevolution are the same process but occur over a different time scale. there are two main reasons why creationists are against evolution. 1. it denies special creation and 2. it requires a very large time scale - and the earth is supposedly 6,000 years old.

[vinsane01]

they take microevolution to mean changes or variation within a species with limits. they have this idea that animals are grouped into kinds, and you cannot create another kind of animal from an ancestral animal. rabbits will always produce rabbits, however they can produce rabbits that have small variations such as longer ears or different coloured fur. these changes are "microevolution", but there is a limit. so a rabbit will never produce a non-rabbit.

it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the size of the organism. evolution in bacteria is the same as evolution in all other plants and animals.

what is wrong about the statement is that microevolution and macroevolution are the same process but occur over a different time scale. there are two main reasons why creationists are against evolution. 1. it denies special creation and 2. it requires a very large time scale - and the earth is supposedly 6,000 years old.

I feel so misinformed now. Thank you for that. :D

[Bladers]

in turn it is. because it highlights the fact that kent performed no experimental studies, has no application of his "work", and his entire approach to science is simply to disagree with anything that disagrees with the bible. it isn't science - the empirical study of nature to better understand the universe, it is the merely an attempt to refute any scientific theory that disagrees with his preconceived beliefs.

in actuality i don't believe kent believes this at all. he is more likely a charlatan scamming gullible religious folk. but that is a separate discussion.
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Actually that is not true and most of what he said in that tape is not true.

There is not ONE successful application we have gotten from evolution and by that i mean the first 5.

NOT ONE.

Every innovation, technology and invention we have been blessed with have come from engineers and physicists.

The point he makes that they are so successful they fund themselves is a pure lie. Look at the funding from the government to these people its ridiculous amount of money. And when the government do stop funding their project completely goes dead.

[Bladers]

If you don't believe in evolution in this day and age you either:

1) Haven't studied it.

2) Are completely retarded.

Evolution is only a "theory" in the sense that gravity is also a "theory". I don't see any of you dumbasses jumping out of windows.

1) Gravity can be tested while evolution cannot.
2) you can drop a pen and see the real effects of gravity. That's the evidence.
3) You can't do that for evolution, there is no evidence.

I should remind you that there many people who went to university (which you probably didn't go to) and are now more intelligent and successful than you yet do not believe that evolution in which we are bombarded with today has any factual grounds.

Like you said, "believe".
You only have to believe in something that has no factual truth.

[Bladers]

Not gonna bother watching the video. A theory proven following the scientific method can't be construed as religion. Religion is faith, science is deduction and hypothesis testing.


Do you know the definition of Faith?

Let me help you out.

Dictionary.com says:

Faith - belief that is not based on proof

The whole point of this thread is that there is no factual un-disputed proof that evolution ever happened, is happened or will ever happen.
Since Evolution is not based on proof, then faith is the appropriate word to be used when describing it.

[Bladers]

Science is a lie! *Uses WiFi to post from laptop onto an interconnected global communication network*

You see this is what folks like you don't understand. You think just because someone speaks out against the invalidity of Evolution. You think he is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Science is separate from the theory Evolution. and Evolution isn't based on it.

The internet and technology were created by engineers and physicist, not evolutionary biologist.

You can't show me one innovation or technology under that field's name.
Not one.

In essence they contribute nothing to society but rob us of funding from our hard earned money.

[Bladers]

Evolution is not even a theory, it is a scientific fact. I'm taking anthropology and there is no question that evolution is real.

Science always beats religion because science is tentative. You can come up with a hypothesis and test something, therefore science can advance. Religion just says believe this because I say so. Religion is just based on fear.

Wait calm down.

Show me a hypothesis and passed test that says material objects can turn into organic living organisms?

FYI - These tests were performed in the 90s all failed.

Do you have any evidence based on scientific method that supports undeniably the validity of evolution?

[REACTION]

Dawkins, Futuyma and Campbell said it best.


One thing all real scientists agree upon is the fact of evolution itself. It is a fact that we are cousins of gorillas, kangaroos, starfish, and bacteria. Evolution is as much a fact as the heat of the sun. It is not a theory, and for pity's sake, let's stop confusing the philosophically naive by calling it so. Evolution is a fact.
[QUOTE=Douglas Futuyma]The statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors

[miller-time]

Actually that is not true and most of what he said in that tape is not true.

There is not ONE successful application we have gotten from evolution and by that i mean the first 5.

NOT ONE.

Every innovation, technology and invention we have been blessed with have come from engineers and physicists.

err the development of new antibiotics for antibiotic resistant bacteria?


The point he makes that they are so successful they fund themselves is a pure lie. Look at the funding from the government to these people its ridiculous amount of money. And when the government do stop funding their project completely goes dead.

he doesn't mention who is funding them, but if they weren't providing practical applications why would anyone, government or not, fund them in the first place? the labs don't make end products themselves, they are selling the discovery of how to produce said product. to add, not all labs are government funded. plenty receive private or university grants.

if the funding is cut of course the project dies. the scientists have to be paid and the lab equipment and space needs funding. they aren't selling meat or making jewellery. they are researchers.

[Bladers]

Dawkins, Futuyma and Campbell said it best.

Do you have any evidence based on scientific method that supports undeniably the validity of evolution?

I would like to see them.

[Bladers]

err the development of new antibiotics for antibiotic resistant bacteria?



he doesn't mention who is funding them, but if they weren't providing practical applications why would anyone, government or not, fund them in the first place? the labs don't make end products themselves, they are selling the discovery of how to produce said product. to add, not all labs are government funded. plenty receive private or university grants.

if the funding is cut of course the project dies. the scientists have to be paid and the lab equipment and space needs funding. they aren't selling meat or making jewellery. they are researchers.

First of all, I said based on the research of the first 5 kind of Evolution.
I repeat not one innovation, technology and invention have been birth based on the first 5 kind of Evolution.
I will be waiting for your attempt to refute me.

Secondly He said they are "SELF FUNDED".

Either he is lying or he is telling the truth. In this case he is obviously lying. They are funded by tax payers dollars. Your money and my money.
He lied in the debate and most of what he said was hot air anyway. Which speaks volume about his character. I can do a full dissect of the tape but its 2am and I'm a bit sleepy.

[RoseCity07]

Wait calm down.

Show me a hypothesis and passed test that says material objects can turn into organic living organisms?

FYI - These tests were performed in the 90s all failed.

Do you have any evidence based on scientific method that supports undeniably the validity of evolution?

So all anyone has to do is show these experiments to you and you'll change your whole world view? Something tells me you will deny anything that proves evolution. You have a vested interest in only promoting the evidence that supports your beliefs. The idea of evolution is very threatening to you. The possibility that the bible is wrong is something you need so desperately to believe that you will fight this hard. It must really be hard for kids like you in a science class.

[DonDadda59]

Do you have any evidence based on scientific method that supports undeniably the validity of evolution?

I would like to see them.

Jesus Christ :rolleyes:

:oldlol:

But seriously though- antibiotic resistant bacteria, drosophila subobscura (fruit flies), and Mutation CCR-5-delta-32 (a genetic mutation dated to the renaissance that makes 10% of Europeans functionally immune to HIV infection) would be a good place to start studying up for evidence.

Happy hunting :cheers:

[Bladers]

So all anyone has to do is show these experiments to you and you'll change your whole world view? Something tells me you will deny anything that proves evolution. You have a vested interest in only promoting the evidence that supports your beliefs. The idea of evolution is very threatening to you. The possibility that the bible is wrong is something you need so desperately to believe that you will fight this hard. It must really be hard for kids like you in a science class.

If you provide these experiments that have factual tangible and substantial evidence of evolution ever happening, is happening or have ever happened.
It will make me and billions of others re-evaluate their stance on the issue because it will vindicate the theory of evolution to be true.

The point here is not my belief or your belief but the truth.
It seems like no one is after the truth any more.
I want the truth, I don't know what you want.
But I want the absolute truth.

And to sit here and say because the validity of evolution is questioned it means the person rejects science, that's rubbish. Because there are many scientist and eloquent and intelligent people who also question the validity of evolution.

Just because you ask question doesn't make you a retard.
Infact its the opposite. Today the media and the government are trying to brain wash us. And most of us are already victims. People like you.
Its amazing the obvious loop holes in the theory of evolution yet people like you don't sit down and ponder... Hmm what's going on here, or why is this so.

You just freeze it up and lock it in the refrigerator of your minds all cooled. It doesn't sting you, doesn't move you at all.
It should. And to sit here and say just because you question something it means you're dumb is the exactly definition of being a sheeple.
I being a computer scientist my self, am very flattered by that logic.

[Bladers]

Jesus Christ :rolleyes:

:oldlol:

But seriously though- antibiotic resistant bacteria, drosophila subobscura (fruit flies), and Mutation CCR-5-delta-32 (a genetic mutation dated to the renaissance that makes 10% of Europeans functionally immune to HIV infection) would be a good place to start studying up for evidence.

Happy hunting :cheers:

It seems the ones who should be hunting and brushing themselves up with what they say they believe is you.

Micro mutation has nothing to do with what Evolution is all about.
I made it clearly and as did the video. I'm taking about the very 5 kind of evolution listed in the video.

[Big_Dogg]

If you provide these experiments that have factual tangible and substantial evidence of evolution ever happening, is happening or have ever happened.
It will make me and billions of others re-evaluate their stance on the issue because it will vindicate the theory of evolution to be true.

The point here is not my belief or your belief but the truth.
It seems like no one is after the truth any more.
I want the truth, I don't know what you want.
But I want the absolute truth.

And to sit here and say because the validity of evolution is questioned it means the person rejects science, that's rubbish. Because there are many scientist and eloquent and intelligent people who also question the validity of evolution.

Just because you ask question doesn't make you a retard.
Infact its the opposite. Today the media and the government are trying to brain wash us. And most of us are already victims. People like you.
Its amazing the obvious loop holes in the theory of evolution yet people like you don't sit down and ponder... Hmm what's going on here, or why is this so.

You just freeze it up and lock it in the refrigerator of your minds all cooled. It doesn't sting you, doesn't move you at all.
It should. And to sit here and say just because you question something it means you're dumb is the exactly definition of being a sheeple.
I being a computer scientist my self is very flattered by that logic.

Funny how you always seem to want factual and substantial evidence to prove anything but when it comes to anything to do with religion we all just have to accept your views based on you usual "faith" rhetoric and bible quotes.

How about you provide some substantial and factual evidence for once about anything to do with the bible and religion and let all of us make an assessment of all that you constantly spit at the rest of us, it works both ways.......................oh that's right, you can't provide any evidence at all! :facepalm

[dunksby]

Bladers is a fraud, he scammed hundreds of people out of their money including myself by promising League Pass for the whole year. But after he got all the money he shut the service down, he is an internet troll and a real life thief.

[DonDadda59]

It seems the ones who should be hunting and brushing themselves up with what they say they believe is you.

Micro mutation has nothing to do with what Evolution is all about.
I made it clearly and as did the video. I'm taking about the very 5 kind of evolution listed in the video.

Of course :oldlol:

So bacteria evolving and becoming immune to antibiotics isn't proof of evolution.

Fruit flies introduced to a new environment replaced 95% of its native species and evolved and gained bigger wings is not proof of evolution.

European descendants of plague survivors who had mutated genes and are today immune from HIV is not proof of evolution.

3 examples of genetic mutation which is passed on that leads to a Darwinian survival of the fittest paradigm... is somehow not good enough for you? OK.

Example of stellar evolution- Stars (Our Sun as well) expanding and evolving into red giants and white dwarves.

But of course, you'll dance around this too.

Read a book that's not a series of fairy tales written by ancient desert goat herders, maybe you'll learn something.

Have a wonderful night, god bless you :cheers:

[Big_Dogg]

Bladers is a fraud, he scammed hundreds of people out of their money including myself by promising League Pass for the whole year. But after he got all the money he shut the service down, he is an internet troll and a real life thief.

:biggums: for real tho?

[Big_Dogg]

Have a wonderful night, god bless you :cheers:

You need to change your name to KFC bro coz this ^ is a straight up zinger! :lol

[dunksby]

:biggums: for real tho?
Yes, dead serious, he is a thief.

[Nanners]

the US is the only developed country in the world where there is actually a "debate" about evolution.

[IcanzIIravor]

Bladers is a fraud, he scammed hundreds of people out of their money including myself by promising League Pass for the whole year. But after he got all the money he shut the service down, he is an internet troll and a real life thief.

No way a good religious man like Bladers would do something like this.

[Bladers]

Bladers is a fraud, he scammed hundreds of people out of their money including myself by promising League Pass for the whole year. But after he got all the money he shut the service down, he is an internet troll and a real life thief.

You know very well that that isn't true.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Bladers is a fraud, he scammed hundreds of people out of their money including myself by promising League Pass for the whole year. But after he got all the money he shut the service down, he is an internet troll and a real life thief.

lol

[ballup]

Bladers is a fraud, he scammed hundreds of people out of their money including myself by promising League Pass for the whole year. But after he got all the money he shut the service down, he is an internet troll and a real life thief.
You tried to do a personal transaction on the internet with someone who doesn't have a professional reputation that can be checked. If he did scam you, it's your own damn fault for trusting him.

[miller-time]

First of all, I said based on the research of the first 5 kind of Evolution.
I repeat not one innovation, technology and invention have been birth based on the first 5 kind of Evolution.
I will be waiting for your attempt to refute me.

you do understand the difference between theoretical and applied science right?

if something doesn't have an application it has no bearing on whether or not it is true. i gave you an application of macroevolution. i'm guessing the application for chemical and stellar evolution will eventually lie in the production of newly formed elements (from lighter elements) and energy from nuclear fusion reactors.

i'm not sure what application we can get from cosmic and organic evolution. but they would definitely revolutionize the way we interact with nature and the universe.


Secondly He said they are "SELF FUNDED".

Either he is lying or he is telling the truth. In this case he is obviously lying. They are funded by tax payers dollars. Your money and my money.
He lied in the debate and most of what he said was hot air anyway. Which speaks volume about his character. I can do a full dissect of the tape but its 2am and I'm a bit sleepy.

by self funded he means he is being paid for the output of his labors - not on emotional pleas or disseminating lies and propaganda. tax payer funded or not they are using genetic and evolutionary theories to produce important medical, technological, and social applications. kent isn't paid to produce scientific applications (of which there are none) or "theories", he is paid to keep his congregation safe from reality.

[dunksby]

You tried to do a personal transaction on the internet with someone who doesn't have a professional reputation that can be checked. If he did scam you, it's your own damn fault for trusting him.
I did not say I don't bear any fault in this but you can't tell me that makes what Bladers did right. He is still a thief and no different than other low lives out there who scam people out of their money.

[dunksby]

You know very well that that isn't true.
Yes, I am enjoying my cheap LP you promised me but since I'm an unappreciative asshole I'm lying shamelessly. You can justify this all you want to your imaginary friend Jesus but that does not change what you did. Tell me what did you do with the money you scammed out of us? Did you buy dildos with Kobe and Jesus's name engraved on them?

[Randy]

No way a good religious man like Bladers would do something like this.

Therein lies the beauty of having imaginary friends in the sky. You can do whatever you want, rape, murder, or steal, but then say "sorry, god" before dying and you still go to heaven. I guess that's why so many christians feel justified in spending more time spreading hate and intolerance rather than aspiring to act like the man they refer to as their savior.

[Randy]

http://i.imgur.com/ApTxi.png

[D-Wade316]

Bladers is a fraud, he scammed hundreds of people out of their money including myself by promising League Pass for the whole year. But after he got all the money he shut the service down, he is an internet troll and a real life thief.
LOL :eek:

[DCL]

let's say you enter an uncharted part of the amazon jungle and discover a group of natives who worship the spirit of turd, whether it's bird sh!t, crocodile sh!t, or human sh!t, whatever, it doesn't matter. but the amazing thing is that deep in these insane people's minds, they truly believe that turd is almighty, and turd gives them power, protects them from evil, and brings blessings to their lives.

if you're a normal sane person from modern civilized society, you'd probably think these people are pretty f--king mental, delusional, or retarded. you might even try to bring some senses to them and teach them that turd is just, well, turd. but they will reject your explanations because in their hearts, they really feel they must worship a load of turd. they cannot give you any evidence of why turd is their deity, but they just worship this sh!t because it's what they've been doing since forever. and if they see that you do not worship turd as well, they might even become irritated and blast you for not having faith of their almighty turd.

Well, in a similar way, how normal people view these turd-worshiping natives is how evolutionists view creationists.

[Chapallaz]

I refuse to accept the facts science has brought me sinceit still cant prove every theory. Therefor, I believe in a man in the clouds with nipples.

[Bladers]

you do understand the difference between theoretical and applied science right?

if something doesn't have an application it has no bearing on whether or not it is true. i gave you an application of macroevolution. i'm guessing the application for chemical and stellar evolution will eventually lie in the production of newly formed elements (from lighter elements) and energy from nuclear fusion reactors.

i'm not sure what application we can get from cosmic and organic evolution. but they would definitely revolutionize the way we interact with nature and the universe.


Name ONE current application and yet you are unable to name ONE and then say the guy "kent" was owned because he wasn't able to come up with applications.

That's hypocrisy.

and I'm not talking about hypothetical fabricated future scenario or applications. Plus no you didn't give me an application for macro evolution, I'm still waiting ANY.

After all these years evolution has archived absolutely,

Nothing.
Nada.
Zip.
Zero.

How does that make you feel?



by self funded he means he is being paid for the output of his labors - not on emotional pleas or disseminating lies and propaganda. tax payer funded or not they are using genetic and evolutionary theories to produce important medical, technological, and social applications. kent isn't paid to produce scientific applications (of which there are none) or "theories", he is paid to keep his congregation safe from reality.

Nope, by self funded he means his research is funded by the government. Trust me, I also have dipped my hands in some computer scientific research, I know how much money it takes for even a simple research.

Secondly we just established that there is no "medical, technological, and social applications" currently available birth from evolution. You cite and cling to micro mutation and we know clearly that they don't count.

[Take Your Lumps]

this guy owns kent in a radio debate. he doesn't refute kent, he demolishes him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnb_pmRDpqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnb_pmRDpqU#t=05m12s

"ok...in your professional field of salmon..."

*uncontrollable laughter in studio*

wow

[RidonKs]

Therein lies the beauty of having imaginary friends in the sky. You can do whatever you want, rape, murder, or steal, but then say "sorry, god" before dying and you still go to heaven. I guess that's why so many christians feel justified in spending more time spreading hate and intolerance rather than aspiring to act like the man they refer to as their savior.
yep. in a weird psychological way the abrahamic faiths normalize sin. it's a rather appalling idea of morality that would probably be held in wide disregard if you asked the majority of people without implicating or referencing religion.

it's essentially saying that morality is in hindsight... which it can be but reflection is never more important than action

[-p.tiddy-]

yep. in a weird psychological way the abrahamic faiths normalize sin. it's a rather appalling idea of morality that would probably be held in wide disregard if you asked the majority of people without implicating or referencing religion.

it's essentially saying that morality is in hindsight... which it can be but reflection is never more important than action
^^^ I'm not religious but I'm sure it's not as easy as just saying "I'm sorry God"

you have to actually feel deep remorse and regret over your sins and understand the pain you caused, you have to know and understand why you need to be forgiven...which most killers/rapists/etc don't

[Deuce Bigalow]

If you don't believe in evolution in this day and age you either:

1) Haven't studied it.

2) Are completely retarded.

Evolution is only a "theory" in the sense that gravity is also a "theory". I don't see any of you dumbasses jumping out of windows.
LOL

I can actually experience gravity. Jump up and I'll fall beck down every time. Gravity is a fact. Evolution? No.

[LJJ]

this guy owns kent in a radio debate. he doesn't refute kent, he demolishes him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnb_pmRDpqU

The video description said it best: Ouch.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Of course :oldlol:

So bacteria evolving and becoming immune to antibiotics isn't proof of evolution.

Fruit flies introduced to a new environment replaced 95% of its native species and evolved and gained bigger wings is not proof of evolution.

European descendants of plague survivors who had mutated genes and are today immune from HIV is not proof of evolution.

3 examples of genetic mutation which is passed on that leads to a Darwinian survival of the fittest paradigm... is somehow not good enough for you? OK.

Example of stellar evolution- Stars (Our Sun as well) expanding and evolving into red giants and white dwarves.

But of course, you'll dance around this too.

Read a book that's not a series of fairy tales written by ancient desert goat herders, maybe you'll learn something.

Have a wonderful night, god bless you :cheers:
New information is being created?

[Deuce Bigalow]

I refuse to accept the facts science has brought me sinceit still cant prove every theory. Therefor, I believe in a man in the clouds with nipples.
Therefore, I believe that thunderous rains on rock soup created living organisms.

[RidonKs]

^^^ I'm not religious but I'm sure it's not as easy as just saying "I'm sorry God"

you have to actually feel deep remorse and regret over your sins and understand the pain you caused, you have to know and understand why you need to be forgiven...which most killers/rapists/etc don't
no it's not at all that easy, you're right. of course the fact that it's not that easy is exactly the point. i have no data to back any of this up, just speculating, but i imagine a solid chunk of christians who say they buy into the biblical depiction of man as sinner first and foremost, who ask forgiveness and feel redeemed afterwards, are not doing it out of remorse or regret with regard to who they hurt. it's all about themselves and achieving a more peaceful state of being where you can be comfortable in your own skin. in those cases they're just capitalizing on their relationship with god for their own sake. it isn't about who was harmed, which is self-evidently the most important aspect of morality if you ask most people.

and the ease with which that redemption is offered by authorities who insist 100% that it is the only path in this world to true security and happiness... it tempts people as an easy way out. which it sort of is.

i think it still works as a starting point for building a moral lifestyle just by a matter of routine and eventually just through sheer habit your moral compass can evolve into something much more sincerely compassionate. but at the end of the day, the starting point is absolutely selfish and for a lot of people, it never gets past that point of self-obsession. but their actual moral stance would seem empirically to be very weak.

additionally, given how psychologically warped we know a lot of humans tend to be, it's pretty easy to see why accepting your own nature as depraved from the get go could enable bad behavior. that "its just who i am" argument can be pretty persuasive when you're tossing it around in your head.



and again i'm only talking about pockets of christianity as it applies to unique individuals. the strong willed can take virtually any concept along these lines and reinforce it with positivity, build something out of it. what i described above isn't universal. but i don't doubt it exists in some regard, and i think it might be more prevalent than one might immediately assume.

[REACTION]

the US is the only developed country in the world where there is actually a "debate" about evolution.

Believe me, many of us aren't happy about it. :oldlol:

We try to be open-minded and tolerant of crazed religious Americans, but many times their beliefs do directly conflict with actual scientific evidence, as is the case with evolution.

[-p.tiddy-]

no it's not at all that easy, you're right. of course the fact that it's not that easy is exactly the point. i have no data to back any of this up, just speculating, but i imagine a solid chunk of christians who say they buy into the biblical depiction of man as sinner first and foremost, who ask forgiveness and feel redeemed afterwards, are not doing it out of remorse or regret with regard to who they hurt. it's all about themselves and achieving a more peaceful state of being where you can be comfortable in your own skin. in those cases they're just capitalizing on their relationship with god for their own sake. it isn't about who was harmed, which is self-evidently the most important aspect of morality if you ask most people.

and the ease with which that redemption is offered by authorities who insist 100% that it is the only path in this world to true security and happiness... it tempts people as an easy way out. which it sort of is.

i think it still works as a starting point for building a moral lifestyle just by a matter of routine and eventually just through sheer habit your moral compass can evolve into something much more sincerely compassionate. but at the end of the day, the starting point is absolutely selfish and for a lot of people, it never gets past that point of self-obsession. but their actual moral stance would seem empirically to be very weak.

additionally, given how psychologically warped we know a lot of humans tend to be, it's pretty easy to see why accepting your own nature as depraved from the get go could enable bad behavior. that "its just who i am" argument can be pretty persuasive when you're tossing it around in your head.



and again i'm only talking about pockets of christianity as it applies to unique individuals. the strong willed can take virtually any concept along these lines and reinforce it with positivity, build something out of it. what i described above isn't universal. but i don't doubt it exists in some regard, and i think it might be more prevalent than one might immediately assume.
psychologically speaking religion has been pretty much proven to be healthy for your mental state...many stats back that up

-people of religion have a much smaller suicide rate, have a much smaller rate of being clinically depressed than those that aren't religious

-people of religion also keep families together longer..."the family that prays together stays together" is TRUE generally speaking

-people of religion are less likely to comitt crime than those that aren't

-people of religion are much less likey to be drug addicts

etc


I didn't make that stuff up...I've backed it up with numbers in a couple different threads in here

I am also NOT religious...so have no bias


There is irony when athiests call religious people the "crazy" ones...because in actual terms of mental health, it has been shown to be the other way around.

[-p.tiddy-]

spirtuality and religion are used in rehabs by actual doctors to cure addiction and depression...it is one of the things that shows great results for those that need recovery...

relgion has also been shown to cure some serious mental diseases

for curing depression without meds it falls right under exercise and diet

1. healthy diet
2. exercise
3. healthy spirtual practice

[LJJ]

spirtuality and religion are used in rehabs by actual doctors to cure addiction and depression...it is one of the things that shows great results for those that need recovery...

relgion has also been shown to cure some serious mental diseases

for curing depression without meds it falls right under exercise and diet

1. healthy diet
2. exercise
3. healthy spirtual practice

I like how you group religion as if it's all inherently the same thing. Only people who disregard it as completely meaningless get to do that.

That's considered major heresy in almost every religion. If you give religion any respect at all, you have to name it. Religions can be very, very different from each other.

So which religion is this exactly you are referring to? One of the branches of Sunni Islam? Shinto? Jehovah's?


Or do you simply not know what you are talking about again?

[JohnnyWall]

I think we should pray to the god of exercise and healthy dieting then. I have the perfect Jesus for us.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tNOND6_o1Sg/S-1E3ghE--I/AAAAAAAAAfM/tASbzVb1s1w/s400/RichardSimmons+vegetables.jpg

[RidonKs]

:roll:

[-p.tiddy-]

I like how you group religion as if it's all inherently the same thing. Only people who disregard it as completely meaningless get to do that.

That's considered major heresy in almost every religion. If you give religion any respect at all, you have to name it. Religions can be very, very different from each other.

So which religion is this exactly you are referring to? One of the branches of Sunni Islam? Shinto? Jehovah's?


Or do you simply not know what you are talking about again?
I know exactly what I'm talking about...it's ALL religion and not even just religion but spirtuality as well...you just have to believe in something

it has been proven to work wonders for mental health and recovery...

do you need links or something?



religion and spirtuality is pretty much the entire backbone of AA and NA...and they don't make you choose a religion...

[-p.tiddy-]

here you go LJJ

[QUOTE]Question: Why is a spirituality and mental health initiative important?

Laura Mancuso: Spirituality is an untapped resource for recovery from serious mental health issues. That

[LJJ]

here you go LJJ



entire article...first one I found top of google...there are many many more:

Why Is Religion Important to Mental Health?
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/03/20/why-is-religion-important-to-mental-health/

A blog interview with a faith healer?


Really? That's your study?













:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Just so you know, in general people are far healthier and more prosperous in the areas of the world that are relatively nonreligious. That is a fact.

[CLE[216]]

They push religion in AA and NA because it helps people cope with death. The impending death of both yourself and those around you can be stressful, it can definitely cause depression. And that depression can lead back to drug and alcohol use, so instead they get you to believe that you're going to live forever. That's why so many people are religious in general. Death is a difficult thing to accept and it's much more comforting believing that you will be with your family and friends and pets together in heaven forever and ever, eating endless amounts of pizza and going to the batting cages and hitting 500 ft. homeruns with every swing. And every now and then God comes by, gives you a nod and a smile, and passes you the blunt that never burns away.

[LJJ]

']They push religion in AA and NA because it helps people cope with death. The impending death of both yourself and those around you can be stressful, it can definitely cause depression. And that depression can lead back to drug and alcohol use, so instead they get you to believe that you're going to live forever. That's why so many people are religious in general. Death is a difficult thing to accept and it's much more comforting believing that you will be with your family and friends and pets together in heaven forever and ever, eating endless amounts of pizza and going to the batting cages and hitting 500 ft. homeruns with every swing. And every now and then God comes by, gives you a nod and a smile, and passes you the blunt that never burns away.

Yeah, that's also why religion and intelligence have a negative correlation.

[-p.tiddy-]

A blog interview with a faith healer?


Really? That's your study?













:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Just so you know, in general people are far healthier and more prosperous in the areas of the world that are relatively nonreligious. That is a fact.
that's a phschology website you emoticon posting retard

here, pick one dumb ass:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&ei=akiQT7OJOsWC2wWHsNicBQ&ved=0CCcQvwUoAQ&q=mental+health+and+religion&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1db2448d0c59a407&biw=1520&bih=826

[Nanners]

Believe me, many of us aren't happy about it. :oldlol:

We try to be open-minded and tolerant of crazed religious Americans, but many times their beliefs do directly conflict with actual scientific evidence, as is the case with evolution.

it is mind boggling how bad education is becoming in the US. people sitting there thinking evolution is a hoax, meanwhile pharmaceutical giants and computer companies are applying evolution to reap billions of dollars in profit. if evolution is a hoax, it is the most profitable hoax of all time. i studied a lot of biology, which is pretty much founded on evolution. you can get a good job straight out of college with a biology degree, what kind of job do you get with a degree in intelligent design?

[-p.tiddy-]

Yeah, that's also why religion and intelligence have a negative correlation.
wtf?

do you have back up for that or are you just making shit up again?

[LJJ]

that's a phschology website you emoticon posting retard

here, pick one dumb ass:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&ei=akiQT7OJOsWC2wWHsNicBQ&ved=0CCcQvwUoAQ&q=mental+health+and+religion&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1db2448d0c59a407&biw=1520&bih=826

It's a blog post of an interview with a faith healer.

On a "phschology website", yes, that doesn't change what it is however.



But, yeah. Thanks for proving my point. You are just Googling shit. Thanks, we all have Google too.


wtf?

do you have back up for that or are you just making shit up again?

Why don't you Google it?

[-p.tiddy-]

']They push religion in AA and NA because it helps people cope with death. The impending death of both yourself and those around you can be stressful, it can definitely cause depression. And that depression can lead back to drug and alcohol use, so instead they get you to believe that you're going to live forever. That's why so many people are religious in general. Death is a difficult thing to accept and it's much more comforting believing that you will be with your family and friends and pets together in heaven forever and ever, eating endless amounts of pizza and going to the batting cages and hitting 500 ft. homeruns with every swing. And every now and then God comes by, gives you a nod and a smile, and passes you the blunt that never burns away.
not sure what you are talking about with blunts and pizza and batting cages...but it is pushed in mental health clinics because thinking that this life here is your "IT", the only thing you will ever have to work with, is infact very depressing...

so yes, "death" in that sense is correct

[-p.tiddy-]

It's a blog post of an interview with a faith healer.

On a "phschology website", yes, that doesn't change what it is however.



But, yeah. Thanks for proving my point. You are just Googling shit. Thanks, we all have Google too.



Why don't you Google it?
then stop asking me questions and USE IT YOURSELF

[LJJ]

then stop asking me questions and USE IT YOURSELF

All of your knowledge is something you looked up on Google or Wikipedia five seconds before.

[CLE[216]]

not sure what you are talking about with blunts and pizza and batting cages...but it is pushed in mental health clinics because thinking that this life here is your "IT", the only thing you will ever have to work with, is infact very depressing...

so yes, "death" in that sense is correct

It's supposedly paradise and you're there forever. There better be infinite food and lots of recreational activities or it's going to be a miserable eternity.

[-p.tiddy-]

All of your knowledge is something you looked up on Google or Wikipedia five seconds before.
not true but that would still be MORE than you

you've been proven wrong, now you have retreated into troll mode as usual...I am waiting for you to know talk 100% about me being a horrible poster and a retard and NOTHING about the actual subject at hand.



careful though, I'll show at your front door and drag you the fck out into your parents lawn and head stomp you...so make sure you look through the peep hole the next time the door bell rings.

[-p.tiddy-]

*Insert massive eye roll here*
I'm not at all, I am spirtual though

I've never been to church in my life

[-p.tiddy-]

']It's supposedly paradise and you're there forever. There better be infinite food and lots of recreational activities or it's going to be a miserable eternity.
or just infinite reincarnation

eternity is just a lack of time though...

[LJJ]

not true but that would still be MORE than you

you've been proven wrong, now you have retreated into troll mode as usual...I am waiting for you to know talk 100% about me being a horrible poster and a retard and NOTHING about the actual subject at hand.



careful though, I'll show at your front door and drag you the fck out into your parents lawn and head stomp you...so make sure you look through the peep hole the next time the door bell rings.

:roll:

You don't remember how this started in this thread because I asked you to differentiate between religions? Because there are massive differences between religions and it's actually profane to anyone who is religious to group them together?

You went back to what? Repeating what you found on Google? Showing that you have no idea what you are talking about? You are the one who brings something up, but then can't answer shit about it. That's why every single person on this site worth a damn thinks you are an idiot.

Don't go telling me I'm the only one you've heard it from. The only people who've said this about me are you and Godzuki.

[-p.tiddy-]

:roll:

You don't remember how this started in this thread because I asked you to differentiate between religions? Because there are massive differences between religions and it's actually profane to anyone who is religious to group them together?

You went back to what? Repeating what you found on Google? Showing that you have no idea what you are talking about? You are the one who brings something up, but then can't answer shit about it. That's why every single person on this site worth a damn thinks you are an idiot.

Don't go telling me I'm the only one you've heard it from. The only people who've said this about me are you and Godzuki.
in terms of it being used to treat mental health they are all lumped together...along with just spirtuality that isn't religious at all

you can look it up YOURSELF this time...I already gave you a link

[Randy]

']It's supposedly paradise and you're there forever. There better be infinite food and lots of recreational activities or it's going to be a miserable eternity.

There's a shortage of chairs...

[LJJ]

in terms of it being used to treat mental health they are all lumped together...along with just spirtuality that isn't religious at all

you can look it up YOURSELF this time...I already gave you a link

If they are all lumped together, how do you know which of them caused which effect?

Maybe one of them helps really, really well and that is what caused the scale to tip? If you don't differentiate you don't know. We could all be missing out because of your idiocy here primes, spill the beans! You are the one who claims to "know" about these studies, not me.

[-p.tiddy-]

If they are all lumped together, how do you know which of them caused which effect?

Maybe one of them helps really, really well and that is what caused the scale to tip? If you don't differentiate you don't know. We could all be missing out because of your idiocy here primes, spill the beans! You are the one who claims to "know" about these studies, not me.
are you stupid?...CLE[216] got it, why can't you?...ALL OF THEM CAUSE THE EFFECT

it is just believing that there is something beyond THIS that aids mental health...it doesn't matter what the "it" is...

anyone that has read what I am posting understands this but you...


me: "spirtuality has shown to aid mental health"
LJJ: "you're making that up, you don't know anything, can you prove it?"
me: *provides multiple links and articles backing up claim*
LJJ: "all you know is what you read on the internet, you're an idoit, blah blah blah I'm an annoying twit that refuses to listen"

[LJJ]

are you stupid?...CLE[216] got it, why can't you?...ALL OF THEM CAUSE THE EFFECT

it is just believing that there is something beyond THIS that aids mental health...it doesn't matter what the "it" is...

anyone that has read what I am posting understands this but you...


me: "spirtuality has shown to aid mental health"
LJJ: "you're making that up, you don't know anything, can you prove it?"
me: *provides multiple links and articles backing up claim*
LJJ: "all you know is what you read on the internet, you're an idoit, blah blah blah I'm an annoying twit that refuses to listen"

I asked you to differentiate. All of them cause the exact same effect? No they don't. No where in any link you posted does it say that. Prove it.

[Randy]

me: "spirtuality has shown to aid mental health"



psychologically speaking religion has been pretty much proven to be healthy for your mental state...many stats back that up

Is it spirituality, or is it religion, like you first stated? They are not one in the same. Going for a hike, meditating, photography, poetry, painting, cooking, volunteering, etc. could all fall under the spirituality category, and all of those things certainly can lead to a healthier mental state without the crutch of religion.

[-p.tiddy-]

Is it spirituality, or is it religion, like you first stated? They are not one in the same. Going for a hike, meditating, photography, poetry, painting, cooking, volunteering, etc. could all fall under the spirituality category, and all of those things certainly can lead to a healthier mental state without the crutch of religion.
it's both of them like I said originally...spituality at it's core is just believing you do infact have an actual soul or spirit which is your consciousness (your consciousness can't be explained by science at the present moment btw). All of those things you listed could be seen as things that help you get in touch with your spirituality, but doing those things doesn't mean you're a spiritual person. If you don't believe you have a spirit, you are not spiritual.

[-p.tiddy-]

I asked you to differentiate. All of them cause the exact same effect? No they don't. No where in any link you posted does it say that. Prove it.
you PROVE IT

[Rasheed1]

http://testing.gobanana.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/CrashTestDummy-2-8544b.jpg

haha 'p-tiddy' is at it again :roll:

[-p.tiddy-]

at it again being correct as usual

[LJJ]

you PROVE IT

No. It's not my original assertion. I'm not talking out of my ass about all those mountains of research.

If all such incredibly different mental states would all have the exact same effect on mental health, that would be such an incredible scientific discovery it would be common knowledge.


But if it's not and there is actual research data, then there are differences and they know about it. If it was researched that is. And all I want to know is which one has the greatest effect. YOU said there was all this research and all of these statistics right? YOU. So YOU post it idiot, or else you look like, well an idiot. Again.

[-p.tiddy-]

No. It's not my original assertion. I'm not talking out of my ass about all those mountains of research.

If all such incredibly different mental states would all have the exact same effect on mental health, that would be such and incredibly scientific discovery it would be common knowledge.


But if it's not, and there is actual research data, then there are differences and they know about it. If it was researched that is. And all I want to know is which one has the greatest effect. YOU said there was all this research and all of these statistics right? YOU. So YOU post it idiot, or else you look like, well an idiot. Again.
If there are differences on this effect between religions then I am not sure they have gone that far in knowing...

all the major religions at their base are infact very similar though, they are all doing the same things for humans for the most part, which is explaining your existance

this little facet of spirituality helping is pretty insignificant though...


the point is that believing you have a spirit or soul that continues after you die aids in mental health...simple as that

[Rasheed1]

at it again being an idiot as usual


corrected :D

[-p.tiddy-]

that's a phschology website you emoticon posting retard

here, pick one dumb ass:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&ei=akiQT7OJOsWC2wWHsNicBQ&ved=0CCcQvwUoAQ&q=mental+health+and+religion&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1db2448d0c59a407&biw=1520&bih=826
but here LJJ...since you missed it the first time

STFU and start reading already...get some insight

[LJJ]

If there are differences on this effect between religions then I am not sure they have gone that far in knowing...

all the major religions at their base are infact very similar though, they are all doing the same things for humans for the most part, which is explaining your existance

this little facet of spirituality helping is pretty insignificant though...


the point is that believing you have a spirit or soul that continues after you die aids in mental health...simple as that

So you spout of out of your ass about mountains of statistical evidence and heaps of research, but you have nothing. And it's actually very important to know which is which in this case. But you have nothing.

Surprise surprise.

[-p.tiddy-]

So you spout of out of your ass about mountains of statistical evidence and heaps of research, but you have nothing. And it's actually very important to know which is which in this case. But you have nothing.

Surprise surprise.
wtf are you talking about?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&ei=akiQT7OJOsWC2wWHsNicBQ&ved=0CCcQvwUoAQ&q=mental+health+and+religion&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1db2448d0c59a407&biw=1520&bih=826


READ RETARD...just STFU AND READ

[DonDadda59]

http://testing.gobanana.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/CrashTestDummy-2-8544b.jpg

haha 'p-tiddy' is at it again :roll:

Primetime, you done did it again baby!:banana:

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/159760_o.gif

[-p.tiddy-]

oh wait...google doesn't count?...:facepalm

:facepalm


it's like debating with a 3rd grader

[LJJ]

wtf are you talking about?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&ei=akiQT7OJOsWC2wWHsNicBQ&ved=0CCcQvwUoAQ&q=mental+health+and+religion&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1db2448d0c59a407&biw=1520&bih=826


READ RETARD...just STFU AND READ

YOU knew all about it, but now I have to read it for you?!

You don't even know what it says? You don't even know which one? Your first posted "evidence" was a god damned blog post.

No thank you.

[-p.tiddy-]

LJJ, Randy, Sheed...and Dondadda


now just need GOBB and Deuce for my entire -pt- fan club :oldlol:

[-p.tiddy-]

YOU knew all about it, but now I have to read it for you?!

You don't even know what it says? You don't even know which one? Your first posted "evidence" was a god damned blog post.

No thank you.
read it for youself dumb ****...:facepalm


I already know it

[Jello]

Give me this fact then. I'm all ears.

The types of evolution discussed by scientists are:
Cosmic Evolution (the origin of space, time, matter and energy from nothing)
Stellar and Planetary Evolution (the origin of stars and planets)
Abiogenesis (the origin of organic life from non-organic molecules)
Biological Evolution (the development and diversification of biological life, often broken into microevolution and macroevolution)
Chemical Evolution (the development of the larger elements from hydrogen)

Give me the facts on these. (except micro, since that happnes, even though it's not really "evolution")
The scientific term evolution is not all encompassing for those subjects. Micro evolution is evolution. The dichotomy was created and then misrepresented by creationists to convince people that there was a bigger difference than the time context.

[DonDadda59]

LJJ, Randy, Sheed...and Dondadda

And then there's Maude :oldlol:

http://mortystv.com/showcards/maude.jpg

But keep doing what you're doing. Don't know what it has to do with the 'debate' about Evolution. But please, do go on...

[-p.tiddy-]

But keep doing what you're doing. Don't know what it has to do with the 'debate' about Evolution. But please, do go on...
nothing...it has nothing to do with the worthless OP

it was just a comment toward Ridonks...which was fine until LJJ had to be LJJ



I could have literally said anything, any combo of words imaginable...and LJJ would jump in to decare it was wrong

[LJJ]

nothing...it has nothing to do with the worthless OP

it was just a comment toward Ridonks...which was fine until LJJ had to be LJJ



I could have literally said anything, any combo of words imaginable...and LJJ would jump in to decare it was wrong

I didn't declare you wrong at first at all. I asked you to differentiate.

You claimed there are results and statistics, I asked you for the simplest statistic imaginable. Which faith yielded which results? You don't know. Of course you don't know. That's not me proving you are wrong, that is YOU proving you are an idiot.

[DonDadda59]

nothing...it has nothing to do with the worthless OP

it was just a comment toward Ridonks...which was fine until LJJ had to be LJJ



I could have literally said anything, any combo of words imaginable...and LJJ would jump in to decare it was wrong

hmmmmm, interesting. Fascinating indeed.

I don't want to make it seem like I'm taking sides or anything buuuuut you're doing that whole thing were you make ignorant blanket statements without considering (or maybe understanding) what you are saying.

Can you at least understand how a statement like "Religion is good for your mental health, that's a fact" can come off as not well thought out?

I mean, if the above is an undeniable proven fact backed up by tons of research... how do you explain Jonestown or Islamic suicide bombers? :confusedshrug:

Surely their mental health should be at least questioned, no?

[Jello]

I didn't declare you wrong at first at all. I asked you to differentiate.

You claimed there are results and statistics, I asked you for the simplest statistic imaginable. Which faith yielded which results? You don't know. Of course you don't know. That's not me proving you are wrong, that is YOU proving you are an idiot.
Why does it matter? All of them are placebos from a scientific perspective.

[-p.tiddy-]

Why does it matter? All of them are placebos from a scientific perspective.
:applause: :applause: THANK YOU :applause: :applause:


pretty sure LJJ is the only one that can't comprehend

[LJJ]

Why does it matter? All of them are placebos from a scientific perspective.

It matters because if if there is actual research and actual statistics in regards to this (as tiddy claims, and lots of it), that would have been taken into account. If there was valid research, it would be easy to find this data.

And if you actually know something about such a report, you would know where to find this data.

But, if you don't really know and are just spouting off irate nonsense again, then all you can do is ragesearch Google; come up empty and tell people to look for it themselves.

[-p.tiddy-]

hmmmmm, interesting. Fascinating indeed.

I don't want to make it seem like I'm taking sides or anything buuuuut you're doing that whole thing were you make ignorant blanket statements without considering (or maybe understanding) what you are saying.

Can you at least understand how a statement like "Religion is good for your mental health, that's a fact" can come off as not well thought out?

I mean, if the above is an undeniable proven fact backed up by tons of research... how do you explain Jonestown or Islamic suicide bombers? :confusedshrug:

Surely their mental health should be at least questioned, no?
but it is meant to be a general "blanket" statement...and there isn't anything wrong with that...surely anyone reading wouldn't assume that I meant IN EVERY SINGLE OCCASION religion/spirituality helps mental health...

there are plenty of people that are religious and flat out nuts...and plenty of people that are athiest and in PERFECT metal health, I am just pointing out statics show those of faith are in better mental health than those that are not...evidence can be seen is suicide numbers for those of faith vs. not...crime...drug use...among other things. It is a tool used to treat depression for a reason, that is because it works...it IS a placebo effect, but it is one that has shown to keep people sane.

[Jello]

It matters because if if there is actual research and actual statistics in regards to this (as tiddy claims, and lots of it), that would have been taken into account. If there was valid research, it would be easy to find this data.

And if you actually know something about such a report, you would know where to find this data.

But, if you don't really know and are just spouting off irate nonsense again, then all you can do is ragesearch Google; come up empty and tell people to look for it themselves.
That is irresponsible research to individualize religions to determine which has more of an effect. You are asking for unethical research which does not exist. However studies do exist on religion and its effect on the response to medical treatment, etc.

[-p.tiddy-]

That is irresponsible research to individualize religions to determine which has more of an effect. You are asking for unethical research which does not exist. However studies do exist on religion and its effect on the response to medical treatment, etc.
PROVE IT!!!...but you can't use google!!!...anyone could do that!!!

you're spouting off!!!

[LJJ]

That is irresponsible research to individualize religions to determine which has more of an effect. You are asking for unethical research which does not exist. However studies do exist on religion and its effect on the response to medical treatment, etc.

Why is it unethical research? What faith a person follows and how big a role religion plays in a persons life would be an extremely important part of research such as this.

And I'm sure the studies exist, but I'm just as sure you people know nothing about these studies.

[DonDadda59]

but it is meant to be a general "blanket" statement...and there isn't anything wrong with that...surely anyone reading wouldn't assume that I meant IN EVERY SINGLE OCCASION religion/spirituality helps mental health...

there are plenty of people that are religious and flat out nuts...and plenty of people that are athiest and in PERFECT metal health, I am just pointing out statics show those of faith are in better mental health than those that are not...evidence can be seen is suicide numbers for those of faith vs. not...crime...drug use...among other things. It is a tool used to treat depression for a reason, that is because it works...it IS a placebo effect, but it is one that has shown to keep people sane.

Here's a gallup poll map showing the distribution of faith in the world. The darker green areas are the most religious nations, while the lighter ones are less religious. Pretty straight forward.


http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/jki5mzo1weomrxvyhpcsxa.png

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-Iranians-Common.aspx

So you mean to tell me that the quality of life ('happiness', crime rate, drug use, etc) is higher in Brazil or the Congo than it is in the United States or Sweden? I mean, clearly, the former countries are far more religious than the latter.

So is it safe to say (using your usual warped 'logic') that this proves that the more religious the country, the worse the quality of life? I mean, the gallup poll basically makes the statement an undeniable fact, right?

[RidonKs]

']They push religion in AA and NA because it helps people cope with death. The impending death of both yourself and those around you can be stressful, it can definitely cause depression. And that depression can lead back to drug and alcohol use, so instead they get you to believe that you're going to live forever. That's why so many people are religious in general. Death is a difficult thing to accept and it's much more comforting believing that you will be with your family and friends and pets together in heaven forever and ever, eating endless amounts of pizza and going to the batting cages and hitting 500 ft. homeruns with every swing. And every now and then God comes by, gives you a nod and a smile, and passes you the blunt that never burns away.
:applause:

[Jello]

Why is it unethical research? What faith a person follows and how big a role religion plays in a persons life would be an extremely important part of research such as this.
What purpose would it serve besides demonizing science? It has no purpose but controversy. If one religion shows people with an affinity towards improvement, will medicine and science recommend that religion? That is irresponsible.

[-p.tiddy-]

Here's a gallup poll map showing the distribution of faith in the world. The darker green areas are the most religious nations, while the lighter ones are less religious. Pretty straight forward.


http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/jki5mzo1weomrxvyhpcsxa.png

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-Iranians-Common.aspx

So you mean to tell me that the quality of life ('happiness', crime rate, drug use, etc) is higher in Brazil or the Congo than it is in the United States or Sweden? I mean, clearly, the former countries are far more religious than the latter.

So is it safe to say (using your usual warped 'logic') that this proves that the more religious the country, the worse the quality of life? I mean, the gallup poll basically makes the statement an undeniable fact, right?
^^^ no that isn't how it works obviously...it is probably safe to say that on average the religious people IN Sweden are in better mental health than those that aren't though.

I never said anything about happiness either...

do you want me to dig up some numbers?

I'll debate this with you if you can agree to keep this insult free...honestly I don't want to get into the same thing we did last time where what we say is irrelevent we just insult...can you agree to that?

[DonDadda59]

']They push religion in AA and NA because it helps people cope with death. The impending death of both yourself and those around you can be stressful, it can definitely cause depression. And that depression can lead back to drug and alcohol use, so instead they get you to believe that you're going to live forever. That's why so many people are religious in general. Death is a difficult thing to accept and it's much more comforting believing that you will be with your family and friends and pets together in heaven forever and ever, eating endless amounts of pizza and going to the batting cages and hitting 500 ft. homeruns with every swing. And every now and then God comes by, gives you a nod and a smile, and passes you the blunt that never burns away.

Do you have any pamphlets for your religion? You had me at endless pizzas, jehovah blunts just sealed the deal :D

[Jello]

Here's a gallup poll map showing the distribution of faith in the world. The darker green areas are the most religious nations, while the lighter ones are less religious. Pretty straight forward.


http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/jki5mzo1weomrxvyhpcsxa.png

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-Iranians-Common.aspx

So you mean to tell me that the quality of life ('happiness', crime rate, drug use, etc) is higher in Brazil or the Congo than it is in the United States or Sweden? I mean, clearly, the former countries are far more religious than the latter.

So is it safe to say (using your usual warped 'logic') that this proves that the more religious the country, the worse the quality of life? I mean, the gallup poll basically makes the statement an undeniable fact, right?
:coleman:
Why do people bait stupid people like this?

[DonDadda59]

^^^ no that isn't how it works obviously...it is probably safe to say that on average the religious people IN Sweden are in better mental health than those that aren't though.

Neh.


I never said anything about happiness either...

Fine, mental health, quality of life. Whudeva.


do you want me to dig up some numbers?

Dig away.


I'll debate this with you if you can agree to keep this insult free...honestly I don't want to get into the same thing we did last time where what we say is irrelevent we just insult...can you agree to that?

No dice. Something about ya... just angries up the blood :oldlol:

[LJJ]

What purpose would it serve besides demonizing science? It has no purpose but controversy. If one religion shows people with an affinity towards improvement, will medicine and science recommend that religion? That is irresponsible.

You could say that about any research that establishes anything. The purpose is to generate reliable, insightful data. Religions are very different and are experienced very differently.

You need to take into account the difference between someone who never ever thinks about it but does consider himself a bit spiritual and someone who prays six times a day and follows a very strict set of rules and breathes religion with every breath. The effect of their spirituality on both of these people's lives is completely different, but this is not taken into account in the research data?

And you know this how?

Maybe one group yields fantastic results, and other groups do poorly. It's important to know this to establish a true, reliable trend. Now we know nothing. The group of people researched are far too diverse to truly establish a trend. The trend could be all over the place for all we know.

[-p.tiddy-]

okay...nvm then

pointless to get into a debate with people that don't care about the actual debate itself, but just don't like me and only want to attack

[Jello]

You could say that about any research that establishes anything. The purpose is to generate reliable, insightful data. Religions are very different and are experienced very differently.
Name one that comes to the level of discussing religion scientifically specifically comparing religions.


You need to take into account the difference between someone who never ever things about it but does consider himself a bit spiritual and someone who prays six times a day and follows a very strict set of rules? The effect of their spirituality on both of these people's lives is completely different, but this is not taken into account in the research data?

And you know this how?

Maybe one group yields fantastic results, and other groups do poorly. It's important to know this to establish a true, reliable trend. Now we know nothing. The group of people researched are far too diverse to truly establish a trend. The trend could be all over the place for all we know.
Why though? Why is it important? Will science do anything with this information but stir up religious groups touting this in their next tracts or others denouncing science?

[DonDadda59]

:coleman:
Why do people bait stupid people like this?

Don't you ruin this for me, c*cksucker :mad: :rant

[RidonKs]

Why though? Why is it important? Will science do anything with this information but stir up religious groups touting this in their next tracts or others denouncing science?
these are different conversations. he's talking about how the fact or fiction prime is spewing could be proven or disproven. you're talking about applicability and why anybody would bother. well, nobody would bother. the only reason we have in this thread is to shut up primetime and we know that's never going to happen. nobody should want their tax dollars spent to fund potentially disruptive research like you said. then again there is plenty of private wealth that can do with their money whatever they please. some happen to be religious, some happen to be interested in religion. so yeah, the studies might well exist somewhere. uncovering their biases is another matter.

[bmulls]

http://i.imgur.com/PSfKs.jpg

[LJJ]

Why though? Why is it important? Will science do anything with this information but stir up religious groups touting this in their next tracts or others denouncing science?

Well yeah, why do the study at all then.

These are studies on the effects of faith on battling mental illness, correct? So the purpose if the study is to know the effects of faith on battling mental illness.

At least show the extent of the effect faith has. Is it like: the more you pray, the stronger the effect? Or does it start to go down again at X number of times praying?

Would be a pretty amusing outcome: the more you pray the less crazy you are.
:biggums:



But yeah, what Donks said. The only purpose is to show tiddy doesn't know what the hell is up. And that has been thoroughly documented in this thread already.

[-p.tiddy-]

these are different conversations. he's talking about how the fact or fiction prime is spewing could be proven or disproven. you're talking about applicability and why anybody would bother. well, nobody would bother. the only reason we have in this thread is to shut up primetime and we know that's never going to happen. nobody should want their tax dollars spent to fund potentially disruptive research like you said. then again there is plenty of private wealth that can do with their money whatever they please. some happen to be religious, some happen to be interested in religion. so yeah, the studies might well exist somewhere. uncovering their biases is another matter.
the placebo effect is pretty much the same across every religion...in the back of thier mind they have a soul that will continue after they die and that is what creates the effect.

I have not come across a study that breaks down different religions...but there are many that lump them together rather than seeing a difference between Allah and Jesus...

and everyone here is free to read up on it...there are plenty of articles on this "spewing" like I have shown

[-p.tiddy-]

Well yeah, why do the study at all then.

These are studies on the effects of faith on battling mental illness, correct? So the purpose if the study is to know the effects of faith on battling mental illness.

At least show the extent of the effect faith has. Is it like: the more you pray, the stronger the effect? Or does it start to go down again at X number of times praying?

Would be a pretty amusing outcome: the more you pray the less crazy you are.
:biggums:



But yeah, what Donks said. The only purpose is to show tiddy doesn't know what the hell is up. And that has been thoroughly documented in this thread already.
http://www.scimednet.org/effects-of-prayer

[LJJ]

http://www.scimednet.org/effects-of-prayer

Wow.

Two hours of Googling and you've finally found something!

That's a good p tiddy!

http://i.imgur.com/AUtXv.jpg

[-p.tiddy-]

Here is a global study of suicide rates of religious vs. athiest that I am sure someone will declare is bunk (http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html)

[-p.tiddy-]

Wow.

Two hours of Googling and you've finally found something!

That's a good p tiddy!

hey maybe this time you can try to actualy READ IT!!!

give it a go!!!

[LJJ]

Here is a global study of suicide rates of religious vs. athiest that I am sure someone will declare is bunk (http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html)

That would be perfectly logical. Many religions teach suicide is evil and will earn them a place in burning hell for all eternity.

Atheists do not.

Makes perfect sense.

[Jello]

these are different conversations. he's talking about how the fact or fiction prime is spewing could be proven or disproven. you're talking about applicability and why anybody would bother. well, nobody would bother. the only reason we have in this thread is to shut up primetime and we know that's never going to happen. nobody should want their tax dollars spent to fund potentially disruptive research like you said. then again there is plenty of private wealth that can do with their money whatever they please. some happen to be religious, some happen to be interested in religion. so yeah, the studies might well exist somewhere. uncovering their biases is another matter.
LJJ's responses seemed like he really thought this kind of research was legitimate which is why I kept going.

[bmulls]

How are we defining "mental illness" here?

Because talking to your imaginary friends about imaginary places in the clouds is pretty damn mental.

[RidonKs]

let's also remember that any research of that kind, apart from maybe the most extensively personal studies of single individuals, will necessarily have to rely on the way people feel about themselves upon self-reflection. i think it's a lot easier to say that the "knowledge" of an afterlife gives you peace of mind because jesus died for your sins or mohammad went on a magical trip to meet god and moses, than it is to actually face death and understand its true nature as the grand equalizer (which it is even if you believe in an afterlife), and realize your time on this earth is past and you won't remember anything about it once your gone. the point is that even if you do believe that your consciousness is an everlasting spirit, everything you know and love and have thought about for all 80 years of your life will vanish, along with your memory of it.

[Jello]

Well yeah, why do the study at all then.

These are studies on the effects of faith on battling mental illness, correct? So the purpose if the study is to know the effects of faith on battling mental illness.

At least show the extent of the effect faith has. Is it like: the more you pray, the stronger the effect? Or does it start to go down again at X number of times praying?

Would be a pretty amusing outcome: the more you pray the less crazy you are.
:biggums:



But yeah, what Donks said. The only purpose is to show tiddy doesn't know what the hell is up. And that has been thoroughly documented in this thread already.
Of course a placebo is stronger if you have a stronger belief. Isn't that obvious?

[-p.tiddy-]

nothing to do with this recent argument but I just found this:


The Mystery Of Consciousness

Those who consider the distant effects of prayer to be implausible might be reminded that the origins of consciousness and its relationship to the brain and body are a mystery. Several outstanding scholars have emphasized our appalling ignorance about these matters. John Searle, one of the most distinguished philosophers in the field of consciousness, has said, "At our present state of the investigation of consciousness, we don't know how it works and we need to try all kinds of different ideas" (Searle, 1995). Philosopher Jerry A. Fodor has observed, "Nobody has the slightest idea how anything material could be conscious. Nobody even knows what it would be like to have the slightest idea about how anything material could be conscious. So much for the philosophy of consciousness" (Fodor, 1992). Recently Sir John Maddox, former editor of Nature, soberly stated, "The catalogue of our ignorance must...include the understanding of the human brain.... What consciousness consists of...is...a puzzle. Despite the marvelous success of neuroscience in the past century..., we seem as far away from understanding...as we were a century ago....The most important discoveries of the next 50 years are likely to be ones of which we cannot now even conceive" (Maddox, 1999). If these observers are anywhere near the truth, we should be hesitant in declaring emphatically what the mind can and cannot do.

Conclusion

One offers proposals such as these with hesitation, realizing in advance their extraordinary capacity to evoke not just skepticism but cynicism and derision as well. A response to the commonest criticisms of nonlocal manifestations of consciousness can be found elsewhere (Dossey, 1995; Honorton, 1993; Radin, 1997, pp 205-227).
However, the question is really not whether our current model of the mind-brain-body relationship will change, but what the new model will be. The prediction from this quarter is that future visions of consciousness will be nonlocal in nature and will transform modern healthcare (Dossey, 1999). Nonlocal models will not "do away" with local formulations. They will subsume, not exclude, them, just as the more comprehensive quantum-relativistic views in physics did not eradicate Newtonian concepts, which remain extraordinarily useful.
We should acknowledge, however, that nonlocality is not an "explanation" for the distant effects of intentionality. No one, including physicists, understands how nonlocal events take place, although many suggestions have been put forward. These are often based in information theory (Rubik, 1995). A novel hypothesis that relies on the quantum vacuum and zero point fields has recently been advanced by systems theorist Ervin Laszlo (Laszlo, 1995).
A nonlocal model of the mind transcends many of the limitiations of the local perspective to which we are currently wedded, and is long overdue.

http://www.scimednet.org/effects-of-prayer

I thought this was interesting, just found it at the end of one of the links I posted


the "non-local" models of consciousness will suggest that our consciousness is separate from our body..."not-local"...just in case that isn't clear lol

[Bladers]

okay...nvm then

pointless to get into a debate with people that don't care about the actual debate itself, but just don't like me and only want to attack

This explains 99% of the atheist community. A bunch of arrogant folks who thinks having faith in a belief system called "evolution" makes them more intelligent and smarter than everyone else and if you didn't believe what they believe, you are insane, un-intelligent and down right retarded.

Its almost impossible to have a productive debate with them. Because they don't have any desire to have a discussion and find out the truth. All they want is to post how dumb and retarded you are for questioning the great evolution that have brought us so many good things and blessings.

[kileer7]

What is there to debate?

[Bladers]

What is there to debate?

Exactly you prove my point.
You are so full of yourself that you are clueless to realities around you and the truth that is out there you choose to ignore.
We all know the theory of evolution is not flawless. But its flaws, contradictions and down right improbabilities are all freeze up in the refrigerator of your mind, all cooled. So you don't have to think about it.

How convenient?


This explains 99% of the atheist community. A bunch of arrogant folks who thinks having faith in a belief system called "evolution" makes them more intelligent and smarter than everyone else and if you didn't believe what they believe, you are insane, un-intelligent and down right retarded.

Its almost impossible to have a productive debate with them. Because they don't have any desire to have a discussion and find out the truth. All they want is to post how dumb and retarded you are for questioning the great evolution that have brought us so many good things and blessings.

[kileer7]

Exactly you prove my point.
You are so full of yourself that you are clueless to realities around you and the truth that is out there you choose to ignore.

:biggums:

[kileer7]

Exactly you prove my point.
You are so full of yourself that you are clueless to realities around you and the truth that is out there you choose to ignore.
We all know the theory of evolution is not flawless. But its flaws, contradictions and down right improbabilities are all freeze up in the refrigerator of your mind, all cooled. So you don't have to think about it.

How convenient?

Jesus Christ take it easy don't blow a gasket - breathe in, breathe out. We have a difference in opinion -- although I loathe to use the word opinion in the context of this discussion -- there is no need to get so heated.

[Randy]

http://i.imgur.com/2WLXd.png

[Randy]

Vatican orders crackdown on nuns for spending too much time helping the poor rather than fighting gay marriage (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/2012/04/18/gIQANRvWRT_story.html)

[Randy]

Reading a Bladers post:

http://i.imgur.com/94PvO.gif

[Kungfro]

Reading a Bladers post:

http://i.imgur.com/94PvO.gif

I'm just waiting for that god awful facebook link to show up.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544672_10150730485329578_854049577_9216761_1876519 663_n.jpg

[RaininThrees]

This thread makes me sad for humanity, and where it's headed.

[miller-time]

Name ONE current application and yet you are unable to name ONE and then say the guy "kent" was owned because he wasn't able to come up with applications.

That's hypocrisy.

and I'm not talking about hypothetical fabricated future scenario or applications. Plus no you didn't give me an application for macro evolution, I'm still waiting ANY.

After all these years evolution has archived absolutely,

Nothing.
Nada.
Zip.
Zero.

How does that make you feel?

we were talking about the video i posted, not the one you posted. because the one i posted talked about applications of biological evolution. the one you posted only discussed scientific theories regarding the evolution of various physical systems. why should i try and find applications for largely theoretical scientific models? we weren't discussing them and they are apart of theoretical science. not applied science. but i reiterate, even if they have no current or even future application it has no bearing on whether they are correct or not. the quest for knowledge, practical or not, is the goal for a lot of scientific research.


Nope, by self funded he means his research is funded by the government. Trust me, I also have dipped my hands in some computer scientific research, I know how much money it takes for even a simple research.

Secondly we just established that there is no "medical, technological, and social applications" currently available birth from evolution. You cite and cling to micro mutation and we know clearly that they don't count.

funding can be government it can be private. but the point is that they are being paid for their output of scientific inquiry, not mumbo jumbo. granted kent wasn't receiving tax dollars (he wasn't even paying them...) to fund his creation science, his money came in the form of donations from evangelical christians.

microevolution is the same as macroevolution, additionally because reproductive rates are so high in bacteria what we are seeing is not really microevolution anyway. they go through something like 150 generations per day. for humans that would take something like 3000 years.

[Is He Ill]

This explains 99% of the atheist community. A bunch of arrogant folks who thinks having faith in a belief system called "evolution" makes them more intelligent and smarter than everyone else and if you didn't believe what they believe, you are insane, un-intelligent and down right retarded.

Its almost impossible to have a productive debate with them. Because they don't have any desire to have a discussion and find out the truth. All they want is to post how dumb and retarded you are for questioning the great evolution that have brought us so many good things and blessings.

:roll: You're sitting there whining about not being able to have a fair debate when you bring absolutely nothing to the table. Your whole "argument" is full of fallacies, inaccurate statements, and terrible generalizations. Have a decent grasp of what you are arguing against before you decide to do so. I am seriously hoping that one day, preferably in my lifetime, we manage to become capable of terraforming, just so I can get as far away from Neanderthals like you as I possibly can.

[RaininThrees]

This explains 99% of the atheist community. A bunch of arrogant folks who thinks having faith in a belief system called "evolution" makes them more intelligent and smarter than everyone else and if you didn't believe what they believe, you are insane, un-intelligent and down right retarded.

Its almost impossible to have a productive debate with them. Because they don't have any desire to have a discussion and find out the truth. All they want is to post how dumb and retarded you are for questioning the great evolution that have brought us so many good things and blessings.

I'm not an aetheist. I "believe" in evolution, though "believe" is clearly not the proper term.

Also:

http://www.durangobill.com/CreationismPics/CreationismCantHearYou.jpg

I post that simply because of your last paragraph.

And, true.

[Deuce Bigalow]

we were talking about the video i posted, not the one you posted. because the one i posted talked about applications of biological evolution. the one you posted only discussed scientific theories regarding the evolution of various physical systems. why should i try and find applications for largely theoretical scientific models? we weren't discussing them and they are apart of theoretical science. not applied science. but i reiterate, even if they have no current or even future application it has no bearing on whether they are correct or not. the quest for knowledge, practical or not, is the goal for a lot of scientific research.



funding can be government it can be private. but the point is that they are being paid for their output of scientific inquiry, not mumbo jumbo. granted kent wasn't receiving tax dollars (he wasn't even paying them...) to fund his creation science, his money came in the form of donations from evangelical christians.

microevolution is the same as macroevolution, additionally because reproductive rates are so high in bacteria what we are seeing is not really microevolution anyway. they go through something like 150 generations per day. for humans that would take something like 3000 years.
Not it's not
New information doesn't get created.

[miller-time]

Not it's not
New information doesn't get created.

yes it does. transference, horizontal gene transfer, deletion, duplication, insertion and translocation all create mutations within the genome. these mutations are random and cause different effects on structure and metabolism and those that are beneficial to the organism a passed on.

here is a post i made a couple of weeks ago responding to the same claim.


if by shifting you mean insertion, then yes that is new genetic information. mutations can increase the number of genes (doubling) or decrease the number of genes (deletion) - these can also cause frameshift mutations. the number of genes increase, decrease and rearrange all the time. do this enough times over successive generations and wouldn't you say that there is "new" information?

if you took a short story, doubled a paragraph, removed a sentence, doubled a sentence, deleted a full stop from the 30th sentence, added a nonsense word in the middle of the 5th paragraph, move the second sentence in the story to the end and move the 7th last sentence to the start of the story, and so on and so forth for a hundred years would the information in the story be new? maybe new isn't the right word perhaps..?

now i'm not sure what specifically changes in antibiotic resistant bacteria but lets say some random mutation changes a gene that codes for a specific protein that effects some area of its metabolic functioning. this change is beneficial and is therefore passed on. the change is new because it is different. the genetic structure of that organism allows the organism to do something that its ancestors couldn't.

[Bladers]

we were talking about the video i posted, not the one you posted. because the one i posted talked about applications of biological evolution. the one you posted only discussed scientific theories regarding the evolution of various physical systems. why should i try and find applications for largely theoretical scientific models? we weren't discussing them and they are apart of theoretical science. not applied science. but i reiterate, even if they have no current or even future application it has no bearing on whether they are correct or not. the quest for knowledge, practical or not, is the goal for a lot of scientific research.



funding can be government it can be private. but the point is that they are being paid for their output of scientific inquiry, not mumbo jumbo. granted kent wasn't receiving tax dollars (he wasn't even paying them...) to fund his creation science, his money came in the form of donations from evangelical christians.

microevolution is the same as macroevolution, additionally because reproductive rates are so high in bacteria what we are seeing is not really microevolution anyway. they go through something like 150 generations per day. for humans that would take something like 3000 years.

That is absolutely incorrect. No evolution in the macro level has ever been witnessed. No is there evidence that macro evolution ever occured, is occuring, or will ever occur.
And don't give me that fossil BS. I will tear that apart in a heartbeat.

[Bladers]

:roll: You're sitting there whining about not being able to have a fair debate when you bring absolutely nothing to the table. Your whole "argument" is full of fallacies, inaccurate statements, and terrible generalizations. Have a decent grasp of what you are arguing against before you decide to do so. I am seriously hoping that one day, preferably in my lifetime, we manage to become capable of terraforming, just so I can get as far away from Neanderthals like you as I possibly can.

Why don't you start by actually pointing out step by step my "fallacies, inaccurate statements, and terrible generalizations".

Ofcourse you can't cause you are clueless and full of shit.

"I won't debate you because you bring nothing to the table"

NO SHIT! You CAN'T debate me because you are ignorant and have nothing to say.

[Nanners]

This thread makes me sad for humanity, and where it's headed.

i cant agree more. its like we are in the early stages of that movie idiocracy. the sad thing is, this thread is not even that bad. this thread only has a few idiots, and actually quite a few rational people. you want to really lose faith in humanity, check out the comments section for basically any article posted on yahoo.

[dunksby]

So let me get this straight, what Bladers and Co are saying is:

1.Evolution is a religion
2.Evolution is a myth

I will let you conclude for yourself.

[Nanners]

if evolution is a hoax, monsanto has to be the most successful organization of con artists in world history.

[miller-time]

That is absolutely incorrect. No evolution in the macro level has ever been witnessed. No is there evidence that macro evolution ever occured, is occuring, or will ever occur.
And don't give me that fossil BS. I will tear that apart in a heartbeat.

bacterial resistance is macroevolution. it has nothing to do with the size of the organism, it is the amount of time passed. because bacteria reproduce at a much higher rate than multicellular organisms we can see evolutionary changes in weeks, months and years, as opposed to thousands and millions of years for us.

but here is a case of evolution in a mulitcellular within our own lifetime.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html

[Jello]

That is absolutely incorrect. No evolution in the macro level has ever been witnessed. No is there evidence that macro evolution ever occured, is occuring, or will ever occur.
And don't give me that fossil BS. I will tear that apart in a heartbeat.
What is macro evolution? Give me a definition.

[Is He Ill]

Why don't you start by actually pointing out step by step my "fallacies, inaccurate statements, and terrible generalizations".

Ofcourse you can't cause you are clueless and full of shit.

"I won't debate you because you bring nothing to the table"

NO SHIT! You CAN'T debate me because you are ignorant and have nothing to say.

You have repeated the same hogwash in every thread similar to this for the past year or so. You post a Youtube video and expect us to be blown away by your bullshit? :oldlol:

[Nanners]

A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

[Freakzilla]

Ain't seen this fool in a minute.^

[BigBoss]

Why did op get banned?

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=Nanners]A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

[gigantes]

Evolution is not Science but a Religion
and you are not a humorless clueless cartoon of a zombie

...

OMG return of nanners-san??

[miller-time]

but here is a case of evolution in a mulitcellular within our own lifetime.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html


Classic ****ing bladders not replying to my awesome examples as usual.

[gigantes]

sometimes we expect too much

[MadeFromDust]

Evilutionists are good at two things: 1) making up stories; 2) making drawings of things that don't exist

[gigantes]

Evilutionists are good at two things: 1) making up stories; 2) making drawings of things that don't exist
i blame this guy:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111118014014/simpsons/images/e/eb/Frink.gif

[Droid101]

Can we just get all these idiots to watch Cosmos? Or have they already banned it in their backwards redneck villages?

[travelingman]

No way a good religious man like Bladers would do something like this.

Hell, the guy in the video he posted is in prison right now for tax fraud. His dumb ass tried to convince the jury that money he made from his amusement park and merchandise sales belonged to God.

:facepalm

[GimmeThat]

If you can make the argument that the study for nature is a religion

instead of the study of literature is a religion

then this statement might hold true.



because mankind still wants to prove that they rule the nature apparently.

[Dresta]

**** me there are some utterly retarded people on this site :facepalm

[nightprowler10]

:biggums: for real tho?
I lost a whole $7 on this scam!

[Rasheed1]

[QUOTE=Nanners]A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

[ballup]

[QUOTE=Nanners]A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

[shlver]

It's telling when the guy has to reference a middle school textbook to prove that the big bang theory is a religion.

[shlver]

bacterial resistance is macroevolution. it has nothing to do with the size of the organism, it is the amount of time passed. because bacteria reproduce at a much higher rate than multicellular organisms we can see evolutionary changes in weeks, months and years, as opposed to thousands and millions of years for us.

but here is a case of evolution in a mulitcellular within our own lifetime.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html
Macro and micro evolution are both functionally the same process. The dichotomy is completely man made and the scientific usage of those terms comes from the view of evolution from the molecular perspective of geneticists vs the phenotypical perspective of cladists/paleontologists.

[shlver]

yes it does. transference, horizontal gene transfer, deletion, duplication, insertion and translocation all create mutations within the genome. these mutations are random and cause different effects on structure and metabolism and those that are beneficial to the organism a passed on.

here is a post i made a couple of weeks ago responding to the same claim.
Good post. I'd also like to add that each DNA sequence has six different reading frames that all have different information in the translation of each codon and a change in one single nucleotide could change the amino acid sequence from any or all open reading frames. As you mentioned, even if these mutations are deleterious, they are still meaningfully new.

[MadeFromDust]

Evilutionists are just plum cray crayyyy yall

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=460320387403982

[miller-time]

Evilutionists are just plum cray crayyyy yall

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=460320387403982

I like how these kinds of videos have someone describing a situation that either never took place or is nothing like what actually happened. The way the atheist comes across in the story is always too convenient. I've played devils advocate with atheists (who didn't know I was an atheist) and even the most arrogant and insulting of them still take the time to lay out an argument. And it amazes me how arrogant they can be, but still they manage more than just ad hominem. Maybe this guy happened to talk to one of the few really crappy atheist debaters, but I doubt it.

[MadeFromDust]

If it is, it's the only religion with proof.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/6e/6e7fd326e067c1d6221556c7adffd13a2186cbc10a22118bfc 937fcc7ef0f1b0.jpg

[Akrazotile]

I like how these kinds of videos have someone describing a situation that either never took place or is nothing like what actually happened. The way the atheist comes across in the story is always too convenient. I've played devils advocate with atheists (who didn't know I was an atheist) and even the most arrogant and insulting of them still take the time to lay out an argument. And it amazes me how arrogant they can be, but still they manage more than just ad hominem. Maybe this guy happened to talk to one of the few really crappy atheist debaters, but I doubt it.


Why are you so eager to advertise being an atheist and are always so interested in arguing with theists? What good does it do you exactly or what benefit does it yield?

[gigantes]

...so all fine efforts go towards rational replies??


looks like dipshit wins. WTH?

[Nanners]

and you are not a humorless clueless cartoon of a zombie

...

OMG return of nanners-san??

i have never really been gone. not much posting lately, but always lurking

much love, as always

http://blindgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/gay-men-1.jpg
recent image of me + gigantes

[miller-time]

Why are you so eager to advertise being an atheist and are always so interested in arguing with theists? What good does it do you exactly or what benefit does it yield?

Because I find it interesting? It passes the time and I like the discussions that unfold. Beyond working, eating, and sleeping why do we do any of the things we do? I "advertised" it because it related to the anecdote.

[Akrazotile]

Because I find it interesting? It passes the time and I like the discussions that unfold. Beyond working, eating, and sleeping why do we do any of the things we do? I "advertised" it because it related to the anecdote.


If you want to discuss philosophy and reason and a/theism as subjects with others who want to debate them in a similar context, thats all well and good, but it seems like you want to denigrade people over beliefs they have that may not be rational but give them comfort, despite the fact that you yourself UNDOUBTEDLY do similar things in other ways and dont want light made of it, lest it offend you as politically incorrect.

You arent trying to advance your own understanding, youre just trying to "convert" people as it were, and it comes off as very self-serving and childish.

[miller-time]

If you want to discuss philosophy and reason and a/theism as subjects with others who want to debate them in a similar context, thats all well and good, but it seems like you want to denigrade people over beliefs they have that may not be rational but give them comfort, despite the fact that you yourself UNDOUBTEDLY do similar things in other ways and dont want light made of it, lest it offend you as politically incorrect.

You arent trying to advance your own understanding, youre just trying to "convert" people as it were, and it comes off as very self-serving and childish.

And where do you get all this from?

[DeuceWallaces]

Nope, it's 100% a "science."

[MadeFromDust]

Nope, it's 100% a "science."
Yet defies all scientific logic and tenets? :oldlol: Good luck with that

[miller-time]

Yet defies all scientific logic and tenets? :oldlol: Good luck with that

For example?

[DeuceWallaces]

Yet defies all scientific logic and tenets? :oldlol: Good luck with that

Explain yourself.

[miller-time]

Explain yourself.

Is it me or do these people not even try anymore? At least bladders would prattle on and copy and paste nonsense for awhile.

[DeuceWallaces]

Is it me or do these people not even try anymore? At least bladders would prattle on and copy and paste nonsense for awhile.

Yeah Bladers had some nice copy and paste talking points from other creationist websites.

[gigantes]

i have never really been gone. not much posting lately, but always lurking

much love, as always

http://blindgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/gay-men-1.jpg
recent image of me + gigantes
asshole... ppl can worry and wonder, is all.


ew... ew... let me just be all NANNERS and just randomly remain happy to see bananas and stuff!

[Dresta]

Nope, it's 100% a "science."
It's 100% not 'A' science actually.

[GimmeThat]

It's 100% not 'A' science actually.


the further the human mind evolves, the less myths there are surrounding evolution.

yet the further the human mind evolves, more myths about religions appear.


they do not nessecarily conflict with one another. because as much as we teach and talk about evolution. the power of faith and spiritual health has always been a big part of the advancement in humanity.

in order for the world to make sense, often times we ought to remove ourselves from the world. Yet, the world is undoubtedly made up of human who are actively involved with the society.


apply religion to the public, and we will not prosper. without religion in our private household, we question the reasonings to prosper.

[MavsSuperFan]

Why are you so eager to advertise being an atheist and are always so interested in arguing with theists? What good does it do you exactly or what benefit does it yield?
Because in the american context, religious people are trying to get science classes to teach the book of genesis/intelligent design alongside evolution.

I fear for the long term economic, health care and military perspectives of a country that treats religion as if it has a factual basis. (what if a super virus breaks out in the future? I would rather the doctors attempting to fight it understand how evolution works.)

Eg. The arabic world dominated (scientifically, economically, militarily, etc) until it was retarded by religion.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Islamic Golden Age: Naming Rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDAT98eEN5Q

Religion killed the arab world and doomed it to western domination.

[GimmeThat]

Because in the american context, religious people are trying to get science classes to teach the book of genesis/intelligent design alongside evolution.

I fear for the long term economic, health care and military perspectives of a country that treats religion as if it has a factual basis. (what if a super virus breaks out in the future? I would rather the doctors attempting to fight it understand how evolution works.)

Eg. The arabic world dominated (scientifically, economically, militarily, etc) until it was retarded by religion.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Islamic Golden Age: Naming Rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDAT98eEN5Q

Religion killed the arab world and doomed it to western domination.



The greatest weakness in a country that has no religion, is in its exposure to wealth disparaity.

Is being Patriotic a religion?

[MadeFromDust]

LMAO @ those who don't even question monkies having big bangs in the sky untold "billions" of years ago and squirting out primordial soup and the result is what we see today. Such scientific minds you have :oldlol: fsck.h ISHiots

[MavsSuperFan]

LMAO @ those who don't even question monkies having big bangs in the sky untold "billions" of years ago and squirting out primordial soup and the result is what we see today. Such scientific minds you have :oldlol: fsck.h ISHiots
You believe in a talking snake, and that eve was made from the rib of adam :biggums:

Also that incest is ok.

[Akrazotile]

LMAO @ those who don't even question monkies having big bangs in the sky untold "billions" of years ago and squirting out primordial soup and the result is what we see today. Such scientific minds you have :oldlol: fsck.h ISHiots


Now dont get too comfortable with this assertion, I heard they may be changing it to trillions soon, based on new "evidence" :rolleyes: :facepalm

[MadeFromDust]

Now dont get too comfortable with this assertion, I heard they may be changing it to trillions soon, based on new "evidence" :rolleyes: :facepalm
Oh shiite it gets even better :roll:

[Dresta]

LMAO @ those who don't even question monkies having big bangs in the sky untold "billions" of years ago and squirting out primordial soup and the result is what we see today. Such scientific minds you have :oldlol: fsck.h ISHiots
wut?

:hammerhead:

[gigantes]

LMAO @ those who don't even question monkies having big bangs in the sky untold "billions" of years ago and squirting out primordial soup and the result is what we see today. Such scientific minds you have :oldlol: fsck.h ISHiots
i hope for your sake and the sake of civilisation that you're about 13 years old.