NY Knicks at Cleveland Cavaliers 04-20-12 Game Thread 7:30

[niko]

Guess who's back...
https://p.twimg.com/Aq27hYxCAAAH7OC.jpg

Irving will be available for Cleveland tonight after returning in the last game. For the Knicks, it's a chance to solidify their hold on 7th and possibly move toward 8th. For Cleveland - well, a loss gets them more ping pong balls so we'll see what kind of effort they bring.

[DukeDelonte13]

let's go Knicks. Don't blow this.

[blablabla]

should be an easy win

[Blue&Orange]

http://knicksnow.com/videos/1174/listen-focus-desire-ft-stat

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[bagelred]

A win tonight keeps the slim chance of getting 6 seed alive.

But the thing is, should Knicks even want 6th seed? Pacers are playing great ball. I guess I'd rather play them, rather than Heat, but it's questionable.


Also, that Gadzuric signing is a huge no confidence vote in both Jorts and Jordan. Bet Gadzuric plays over both of them.

[RedBlackAttack]

should be an easy win
Hopefully. We literally cannot afford to win this game. Under any circumstances.

[Zackmorris]

Hope Robert Randolph doesn't make the Knicks lose

[TOUCH MY BODY]

Cavs lose by 63 points.

[Clutch]

Amare is back - curious to see how the Knicks will look with him back

Landry on the bench - :rockon: :banana: :cheers: :party: :hammertime: :djparty

Will Gadzuric play ?

[BrooklynZoo]

cornrows? :facepalm

come on amare, you're better than that

[The Ownage]

Amare looks like a kid.

[Black Joker]

Hopefully. We literally cannot afford to win this game. Under any circumstances.
+1

[bagelred]

No Landry? :facepalm

[bagelred]

Fields with the steal and then fouled. :applause:

[bagelred]

Nice aggressive move by Fields.

And no Novak.........Woodson is the anti-bagelred. Benches everyone who I would play more.

[The Ownage]

Nice block from Samuels.

Cavs putting in effort.

[RedBlackAttack]

Nice block from Samuels.

Cavs putting in effort.
Hopefully a short-lived effort.

They are just a different team when Kyrie plays, though. The entire tempo of the game changes.

Tristan looking nice, too... 4 points, 4 rebounds.

[Clutch]

Knicks looking like trash.

Luckily we clinched the playoffs so I can hope it's because they are not motivated.

[The Ownage]

Hopefully a short-lived effort.

They are just a different team when Kyrie plays, though. The entire tempo of the game changes.

Tristan looking nice, too... 4 points, 4 rebounds.
Yeah I'm liking on how your team actually plays TEAM ball. Effort should stay there but you guys should just start throwing up bricks. Win-win result :banana:

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah I'm liking on how your team actually plays TEAM ball. Effort should stay there but you guys should just start throwing up bricks. Win-win result :banana:
I'm just concerned Kyrie's shot is going to start falling. He's gotten two wide-open 3-pointers that, prior to the injury, would have splashed. His jumper is a little rusty at the moment.

If those start dropping... :facepalm

Someone needs to get the memo to Shump NOT to leave him open behind the line.

[Scoooter]

I hope the Knicks fired whoever ****ed with Fields shot over the summer. The percentage he shot last year would be third best on the team this year. Now I'm just excited when he gets it over the front of the rim. :lol

The problem with the Bibby/Shumpert/Smith rotation is that we have no one who can run the pick and roll, mitigating Stoudemire's impact and making Chandler useless offensively.

So it's just iso, three ball, iso. I'm not so optimistic about that kind of offense in the playoffs.

[T-Time3]

Amare. New look, same shit. No D

[Trentknicks]

I no longer care if we don't resign Fields, can't hit a shot to save his life. So over defending him
feel free to bump this if he ever has a good game

[Clutch]

I want to face Chicago so a loss wouldn't be bad but it's always tough to watch the Knicks looking like complete trash.

[The Ownage]

"Knicks right now cannot seem to protect the glass"

Amare Stoudemire is on the floor.

:kobe:

[Scoooter]

Chandler was getting eaten up too. When you switch on D a lot, you have to have the energy and effort to move around the floor and help. The Knicks just look like they're easing into everything right now.

Not a huge deal.

[RedBlackAttack]

Harangody playing like this is Game 7 of the Finals. Relax brah.

[LoneyROY7]

I'll just go ahead and say it...

The Knicks look bad with Amare and Melo together on the floor. Amare needs to be brought off the bench.

[Scoooter]

Fields passing creating opportunities.

[TOUCH MY BODY]

Amare is THE SUCK.

[jawkam]

This Knicks team looks familiar... :facepalm :facepalm

[Bladers]

Why are cavs blowing out the knicks and doing layup drills.... oh wait I forgot amare is back! :roll: :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

I will never forgive the Knicks if they lose this game.

[BlackVVaves]

I haven't seen the Knicks offense and the Knicks defense that bad since before Linsanity. It's ashamed Amare has that type of negative effect on the team. Players are just driving on him and scoring at will, and it's been this while for a few years now.

[The Ownage]

Why are we settling for 3's :facepalm

[jawkam]

Why are we settling for 3's :facepalm

Douglas the point guard :banghead:

[Clutch]

Cavs are outrebounding the Knicks 30-13.

Complete lack of effort.

[FKAri]

Is Baron Davis hurt or something?

[The Ownage]

Good to see Melo still being productive but only when Amare is off...

[Black Joker]

kyrie is too good

[RedBlackAttack]

That high dribble was disgusting. There was some talk about Shumpert's defense vs. Kyrie's offense.

No contest. And, Shump is an excellent defender. He's blown right by him several times already.

[The Ownage]

Cavs let Lester Hudson leave? :biggums: :biggums:

[RedBlackAttack]

I have a good feeling that the Knicks will come back in the 2nd half. We just need to lose this game too badly and the Knicks need the win too badly.

It makes no sense for this to continue. Sit Kyrie if you have to.

[Clutch]

Amare back,Melo back to his not so good shooting.

Coincidence or not,I don't know.

[The Ownage]

We'll come back to win in the 2nd half.

[Bladers]

LOL amare should be black balled outta the NBA!

Such a cancer. :facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

Cavs let Lester Hudson leave? :biggums: :biggums:
Not much we could do. His 10 day contract ended and Memphis snatched him up.

He is a nice player, but he didn't really have a future with the Cavs. He is going to be, what? 29 next year?

[Clutch]

I have a good feeling that the Knicks will come back in the 2nd half. We just need to lose this game too badly and the Knicks need the win too badly.

It makes no sense for this to continue. Sit Kyrie if you have to.
Knicks actually don't need this win at all.
We aren't catching Orlando and we would actually be better of with 8th seed than with 7th.

[The Ownage]

Knicks actually don't need this win at all.
We aren't catching Orlando and we would actually be better of with 8th seed than with 7th.
I disagree.

[RedBlackAttack]

Knicks actually don't need this win at all.
We aren't catching Orlando and we would actually be better of with 8th seed than with 7th.
You could catch Orlando. They are about to go straight down the toilet. It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility... Unless you lose this game.

[Scoooter]

So is Kyrie Irving really a Chris Paul/Steve Nash level ball handler? He looked like he was taking Shump off the dribble at will, and that's not easy.

[knickswin]

LOL amare should be black balled outta the NBA!

Such a cancer. :facepalm

the way he doesn't try on defense is cancerous.

come on, man. you haven't played for nearly a month. just go out there and give it your all.

[FKAri]

Is Baron Davis hurt or something?

Is he?

[The Ownage]

Is he?
He had a stomach bug and was supposed to feature tonight. Guess he hasn't recovered fully yet.

[The Ownage]

I'm still blaming Amare for our interior defense right now but Tyson is playing like shit too.

[Clutch]

Just play the bench until the end.

[LBJMVP]

what the hell is cleveland doing? we can't win this game... just go to show what a difference irving makes. we were gettin blown out every game without him.

and whats up with mike bibby?

[Scoooter]

I'm still blaming Amare for our interior defense right now but Tyson is playing like shit too.
And twice now Anthony has dribbled the ball off his own foot out of bounds. I think it's safe to say, all things considered, this is just one of those games.

[chips93]

I have a good feeling that the Knicks will come back in the 2nd half. We just need to lose this game too badly and the Knicks need the win too badly.

It makes no sense for this to continue. Sit Kyrie if you have to.

im not sure if you this literally, but im gonna go with my assumption that you're not being sarcastic

im totally in favor of tanking. i think its clearly a flawed system, the lottery, and the draft, and that you just have to take advantage of that, but actually, in game, triny to throw a game, is where it goes to far for me.

i can understand 'resting' guys, giving young guys more minutes, trading away vets who will only help you win games in the short term and will give no help long-term, im on board with all of these things, but when you are talking about essentially just throwing a game (as a few teama have been accused of recently), i have a big problem with that. i think that really crosses a line, and i would be really disappointed in coach scott, and the cavs organisation as a whole if they decided to do that

of course theres a good chance you were just kidding, in that case just disregard this post.

[knickswin]

I'm still blaming Amare for our interior defense right now but Tyson is playing like shit too.

having a weak link like amar'e really messes the defense up for everyone. he has no idea how to guard the perimeter. he's actually a better defender as a center than a power forward because at least he doesn't have to move as much.

[Assassin]

LOL. Saw the score and I checked the box score if Amare was playing and I was right!

[strifed169]

Amare the doorman is back?

[The Ownage]

having a weak link like amar'e really messes the defense up for everyone. he has no idea how to guard the perimeter. he's actually a better defender as a center than a power forward because at least he doesn't have to move as much.
I'm not sure if it's too late to experiment in the season but I'd definitely want to see how Melo at PF and Amare at C would look like in stretches. They both have excelled in those positions before and that should give them more room to operate in the paint/post.

[LoneyROY7]

If Woodson doesn't wise up and bring Amare off the bench...NY will get embarrassed in the playoffs.

Be smart Mike, don't ruin what Melo and the Knicks had going on.

[DuMa]

JR smith is horrible. wow overdribble

[derb2k2]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm Knicks wdf

[Kingwillball]

WowAmare is back and Melo goes from being Unstoppable just about to a an average player again.. Also blowing chance to grab the 6th seed real letdown by the Knicks.

[knickswin]

If Woodson doesn't wise up and bring Amare off the bench...NY will get embarrassed in the playoffs.

Be smart Mike, don't ruin what Melo and the Knicks had going on.


the knicks MUST trade amar'e. it would be doing melo an injustice if they didn't. wasting his prime.

trading amar'e and lin for calderon and bargnani is the right basketball decision. I know this stupid team won't do it because lin is the cash cow he is, but that trade would be how they get onto the completely right path toward having a contender for the next 3-4 years.

[DStebb716]

Amare absolutely needs to be traded in the offseason. Not a single doubt about it. He won't be though. (not an overreaction post, I've thought this for a while).

[cteach111]

just goes to show you the worth of a big man who only brings offense.

[Human Error]

Great bail out shot by Casspi.

[The Ownage]

:facepalm Manny Harris just summed up our night. Good night.

[Human Error]

Damn, even better bail out shot by Harris. :bowdown:

[knickswin]

Amare absolutely needs to be traded in the offseason. Not a single doubt about it. He won't be though. (not an overreaction post, I've thought this for a while).

man, I've been saying this for a while. and it kills me when I hear the excuses because all I remember is ONE game where amar'e and melo both played well. that was against the grizzlies last year, and amar'e was making all these long twos. there's a YEAR'S worth of evidence that this duo plain isn't happening. what more do people need to see. just ridiculous at this point to keep thinking it's going to happen.

how is it a coincidence that the second amar'e gets back, the defense looks like crap, the offense looks like crap, melo plays terribly, amar'e plays terribly. amar'e messes everything up on defense and the spacing and chemistry is terrible with amar'e, melo, and tyson on the floor together. just terrible.

[chips93]

devastating win for the cavs

with a loss we would have tied the kings for 4th worst record, and we were tied with new orleans and sacramento on wins, but we have less losses.

with this win, we now only have one win less than the raptors, with even losses.

so we go from in striking distance of a top 3 spot, and with this win, we are now much closer to the 6th spot

:banghead:

[Draz]

rather face the bulls ..

[StroShow4]

That Donald Sloan drive.. :oldlol: :roll:

[Scoooter]

Fields got whacked in the face there. Should have been +1.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Ironic that Carmelo is back to earlier season version of Carmelo after Amare is back.

[The Ownage]

Fields just doesn't play well on the offensive side anymore but he's always giving effort. It's a shame he had to switch up his jumpshot.

[Scoooter]

Fields just doesn't play well on the offensive side anymore but he's always giving effort. It's a shame he had to switch up his jumpshot.
He doesn't shoot well anymore. He does a lot of other stuff that is helpful.

[StroShow4]

Harangody! :lol

[R.I.P]

man, I've been saying this for a while. and it kills me when I hear the excuses because all I remember is ONE game where amar'e and melo both played well. that was against the grizzlies last year, and amar'e was making all these long twos. there's a YEAR'S worth of evidence that this duo plain isn't happening. what more do people need to see. just ridiculous at this point to keep thinking it's going to happen.

how is it a coincidence that the second amar'e gets back, the defense looks like crap, the offense looks like crap, melo plays terribly, amar'e plays terribly. amar'e messes everything up on defense and the spacing and chemistry is terrible with amar'e, melo, and tyson on the floor together. just terrible.

We can do shit about this, man. What's a shame!

[Clutch]

Knicks have a better shot at beating the Dream Team than at beating the Cavs on the road.

[LiLharvard]

It's official the Knicks suck again. Welcome back amare.:lol

[Clutch]

It's official the Knicks suck again. Welcome back amare.:lol
It was a nice run without him. :lol

[R.I.P]

He doesn't shoot well anymore. He does a lot of other stuff that is helpful.

WTF SG does a lot if not shooting:lol

[Knicksfever2010]

next year i hope tony douglas is not on this roster. SMH at that pass

[Scoooter]

WTF SG does a lot if not shooting:lol
He's a good passer. He's actually better at running basic PG plays than all of our PGs.

[bagelred]

And you guys like JR Smith over Landry? :roll: How many times has he fouled a 3 point shooter? :hammerhead:

[BrooklynZoo]

weird that woodson gave up on this one so early

[Scoooter]

And you guys like JR Smith over Landry? :roll: How many times has he fouled a 3 point shooter? :hammerhead:
The interesting part is that I've never seen him block one of those. I wonder what he thinks is going to happen.

[Human Error]

Knicks have a better shot at beating the Dream Team than at beating the Cavs on the road.
LOL at Knicks fans who believe that they play better against good teams.

Please face the facts that the Knicks just are not good enough to win the championship yet. Don't split out nonsense like "We can beat the Bulls or Thunder if we face them in the playoffs but can't beat the Cavaliers" and pretend to be rational.

[RedBlackAttack]

Thanks Knicks... No, really. Thanks a lot.

Bunch of D-Leaguers out there for the entirety of the 4th Quarter and you get blown out. :facepalm

Awful.

[Scoooter]

Thanks Knicks... No, really. Thanks a lot.

Bunch of D-Leaguers out there for the entirety of the 4th Quarter and you get blown out. :facepalm

Awful.
The lone goal of the evening was to deprive you of Athony Davis or MKG. :lol

[knickswin]

LOL at Knicks fans who believe that they play better against good teams.

Please face the facts that the Knicks just are not good enough to win the championship yet. Don't split out nonsense like "We can beat the Bulls or Thunder if we face them in the playoffs but can't beat the Cavaliers" and pretend to be rational.

they're good enough to win a championship yet. not at all.

to me, tyson and carmelo are the foundation. now they need to build a team to complement them. keep novak and jeffries and shumpert. everyone else is a questionable fit.

[The Ownage]

LOL at Knicks fans who believe that they play better against good teams.

Please face the facts that the Knicks just are not good enough to win the championship yet. Don't split out nonsense like "We can beat the Bulls or Thunder if we face them in the playoffs but can't beat the Cavaliers" and pretend to be rational.
Or maybe he was referring to the fact that we never win against the Cavs away from home and made a simple joke out of it. :rolleyes:

[RedBlackAttack]

The lone goal of the evening was to deprive you of Athony Davis or MKG. :lol
:facepalm

What an awful win. Worst win ever. In the history of the league.

[RedBlackAttack]

Did the Knicks just allow Manny Harris to get 12 rebounds? In one game?

Again, I repeat... Manny Harris just got 12 rebounds in a game. That isn't his total for the week (which would have been a major step up). He actually rebounded the ball 12 times in one regular 48-minute basketballing contest.

My god. :facepalm


May you rot in hell, Knicks. You may be the only team I will root against if matched vs. Miami. Die in a fire.

[Scoooter]

Is Anthony Davis even big enough to play center? He's only listed at 6'10", and you already have Tristan Thompson from last year. MKG would probably be a better fit. Or Perry Jones.

[RedBlackAttack]

So is Kyrie Irving really a Chris Paul/Steve Nash level ball handler? He looked like he was taking Shump off the dribble at will, and that's not easy.
He is already has one of the best handles in the league. What you saw was not an anomaly. And, he is still a little rusty.

[RedBlackAttack]

Is Anthony Davis even big enough to play center? He's only listed at 6'10", and you already have Tristan Thompson from last year. MKG would probably be a better fit. Or Perry Jones.
Don't try to make me feel better. It won't work. Night is ruined. Weekend ruined.

[Black Joker]

i guess the only positive i'm pulling from this is that the young guys played well. Irving, Thompson, Harris and Sloan

[RedBlackAttack]

i guess the only positive i'm pulling from this is that the young guys played well. Irving, Thompson, Harris and Sloan
Those guys could have all played well in a loss. I think it is actually quite funny that we didn't play a single starter in the 4th Quarter... Clear tank attempt. The Knicks wouldn't allow us to lose.

What a bummer.

[Black Joker]

Those guys could have all played well in a loss. I think it is actually quite funny that we didn't play a single starter in the 4th Quarter... Clear tank attempt. The Knicks wouldn't allow us to lose.

What a bummer.
it's a total bummer, i haven't seen one fan happy with this result. but i need some sort of rationalization. Hopefully we get lucky in the lottery

[RedBlackAttack]

it's a total bummer, i haven't seen one fan happy with this result. but i need some sort of rationalization. Hopefully we get lucky in the lottery
And, I know it is crazy, but to hear AC and Fred celebrate the victory... I wanted to drop kick both of them. I know it is their job and they can't partake in the tank, but...

Holy christ stop with the screaming and yelling. Damn it.

[iDunk]

Shots were just not going in & the Cavs were making the most retarted shots. God this team needs a a guy who can penetrate & kick. This game hardly mattered, Knicks weren't gonna get the 6th.

Knicks just need to get some momentum for the playoffs with the starting lineup & they'll be fine. Amare actually looked like he had his legs, he had 4 blocks tonight. Timing was still off on offense though. Him & Melo will figure it out, they want to succeed too much to not figure it out.

[jb220]

God damn Amar'e ruins everything, is there anyway the Knicks can get rid of this scrub?

[knickswin]

God damn Amar'e ruins everything, is there anyway the Knicks can get rid of this scrub?

the only big expirings for 2013 I can think of are Elton Brand and Rashard Lewis.

I guess Kevin Martin too.

[Qwyjibo]

Cleveland giving Raptors fans hope (most likely false) in the lottery race. Very costly win for them.

[ClutchOver9000]

Amare you frickin SUCK man!!!!! :mad: :facepalm

anyway, Kyrie Irving's gonna be a star, this kid is legit. The way he took Shump off the dribble...I was impressed.

[T-Time3]

God damn Amar'e ruins everything, is there anyway the Knicks can get rid of this scrub?

already ?
:facepalm

stat n melo is still figuring out how to play well together, which i don't know will this ever work ?
how many rebounds did amare grab tonight ? 3 ?
man, a 6'5 manny harris grab 12 tonight. Losing to a team like cavaliers is just sad.
For a basketball team who wants to at least advance to the 2nd round of playoffs, you can't lose to cleveland cavaliers.

[Ikill]

What's good nigguah what's really good bitch nigguah

[NattyPButter]

Did the Knicks just allow Manny Harris to get 12 rebounds? In one game?

Again, I repeat... Manny Harris just got 12 rebounds in a game. That isn't his total for the week (which would have been a major step up). He actually rebounded the ball 12 times in one regular 48-minute basketballing contest.

My god. :facepalm


May you rot in hell, Knicks. You may be the only team I will root against if matched vs. Miami. Die in a fire.

Wait when did Harris been known as a bad rebounder? He's known as a great rebounder for his size.

[NattyPButter]

And, I know it is crazy, but to hear AC and Fred celebrate the victory... I wanted to drop kick both of them. I know it is their job and they can't partake in the tank, but...

Holy christ stop with the screaming and yelling. Damn it.

AC would never ever have the thought of tanking and so should the team. AC bleeds wine and gold.

[RedBlackAttack]

Wait when did Harris been known as a bad rebounder? He's known as a great rebounder for his size.

What a complete overstatement. He averages 2.4 rebounds in 16 minutes per game... A little over a rebound per 8 minutes played. If he played 36 minutes per game, he would average 5 rebounds per.

Certainly not a bad rebounder, but "great for his size?" He is an average rebounder for his position, maybe even a little above average...

But, great? No sir.


AC would never ever have the thought of tanking and so should the team. AC bleeds wine and gold.

You can bleed wine and gold and still have your wits about you. Nothing positive came from this win tonight. Not a single thing. If you bleed wine and gold, you should realize that while still maintaining a professional demeanor.

[Meticode]

Surprised to see Irving in this game. I thought they'd let him be on the bench the rest of the season, that is unless he's 95-100% healthy now. Which I hope that's true. Anyway, good to see him get some work in before the end of the season, it's all about experience right now. He would've have an very an awesome night if it wasn't for the 1-7 from downtown which hurt his overall game, but great to see him out there running like crazy. Some of the highlights were insane to watch his speed.

[WadeBronDonJuan]

Purposely lost this one in order to play the Bulls?

[dunksby]

Where them Melo threads at now? :roll:

[cavsfanatic]

Don't matter that we won truth be told. Clippers had 8th worst record and had #1 pick last season because it was Stern throwing us a bone because Lebron dipped on us. The lottery is rigged and Charlotte will get the #1 pick this season because Stern wants to throw Jordan a bone. Y'all think the lottery is real? lmao

[PJR]

Where them Melo threads at now? :roll:

:oldlol:

[Meticode]

Don't matter that we won truth be told. Clippers had 8th worst record and had #1 pick last season because it was Stern throwing us a bone because Lebron dipped on us. The lottery is rigged and Charlotte will get the #1 pick this season because Stern wants to throw Jordan a bone. Y'all think the lottery is real? lmao
Totally disagree with this bullshit.

[Clutch]

Where them Melo threads at now? :roll:
Amare deleted them.

[BlueCrayon]

it's a total bummer, i haven't seen one fan happy with this result. but i need some sort of rationalization. Hopefully we get lucky in the lottery

How about all the fans who bought tickets to go see the game. I'm sure they went in the arena hoping they would lose. :rolleyes: