Kobe uses 4 more possessions per game than Durant to score 0.3 more points.

[Human Error]

And people think Kobe is a better scorer than Durant. :facepalm

[andgar923]

And people think Kobe is a better scorer than Durant. :facepalm


Kobe is more skilled
Durant is more efficient

[Fazotronic]

Kobe is more skilled
Durant is more efficient

he is more skilled at missing shots

[RoseCity07]

Who cares? You think they should change the rules so Durant can win the scoring title?

[Westbrook0]

Who cares? You think they should change the rules so Durant can win the scoring title?

Did he ever say that? :biggums:

[Oositdwn]

Kobe is more skilled
Durant is more efficient
:biggums:

[Smoke117]

he is more skilled at missing shots
:applause:

[The Iron Fist]

he is more skilled at missing shots
and more skilled at leading his team to titles.

[OKCThunderUP]

and more skilled at leading his team to titles.

Fail comparison. Kobe didn't lead his team to a title at 23.

[gtfomyface]

takes the worst shots in the game, doesn't get as many dunks/layups, oh well :rolleyes:

[amfirst]

And people think Kobe is a better scorer than Durant. :facepalm

panties wet?

[kNicKz]

Kobe is about to be 34

Durant is 23

:biggums:

The fact that they're being compared shows that kobe >>>>

[the_future02]

Fail comparison. Kobe didn't lead his team to a title at 23.

Really? Kobe was 23 in 2009 :wtf:

[The Iron Fist]

Fail comparison. Kobe didn't lead his team to a title at 23.


At 23, Kobes teams got farther than Durants.

Before you use your go to excuse,

Shaq was ringless til he got himself a Kobe.

[gtfomyface]

At 23, Kobes teams got farther than Durants.

Before you use your go to excuse,

Shaq was ringless til he got himself a Kobe.

who couldn't use a kobe ? :bowdown:

[LABean]

Kobe IS better. :confusedshrug:
He doesn't have Westbrick to do all the dirty work, like he does for Durant.
Thunder's record is better when Westbrick shoots more than Durant.
True MVP of the Thunder. :bowdown:

And Kobe uses the extra possessions to get more assists. :pimp:

[nba_55]

Kobe IS better. :confusedshrug:
He doesn't have Westbrick to do all the dirty work, like he does for Durant.
Thunder's record is better when Westbrick shoots more than Durant.
True MVP of the Thunder. :bowdown:

And Kobe uses the extra possessions to get more assists. :pimp:

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/175322/fat-lady-laughing-o.gif

http://i.imgur.com/5LRIk.gif

[LABean]

:lol :lol :lol
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:hammertime:

[KG215]

At 23, Kobes teams got farther than Durants.

Before you use your go to excuse,

Shaq was ringless til he got himself a Kobe.

Shaq was still the most dominant force in the league. Take away Westbrook and replace him with 2000-2002 Shaq (move Perk to the bench or replace him with a slightly worse backup) and I guarantee you OKC makes the Finals 2-3 times and wins a ring or two. OKC damn near made the finals last year in Durant's age 22 season.

[Calabis]

And people think Kobe is a better scorer than Durant. :facepalm

Kobe volume scorer
Durant efficient scorer

[RazorBaLade]

who? where? who says kobe is still a better scorer than durant in the regular season?

are these the same mythical posters who constantly post kobe is better than jordan? show yourselves

[OKCThunderUP]

At 23, Kobes teams got farther than Durants.

Before you use your go to excuse,

Shaq was ringless til he got himself a Kobe.

Hah, you can't just change the premise. You said Kobe is better at leading his teams to titles, which is something he wasn't doing at 23 years old. Shaq was "the guy" on those Lakers squads.

[tmacattack33]

And people think Kobe is a better scorer than Durant. :facepalm

I doubt anyone considers Kobe a better scorer than Durant. The best scorer in the league according to everyone I have heard is either Durant or Melo.

I look forward to seeing Kobe out of the top 10 on the analysts poll this year, as he was out of the top 6 this past summer. I then look forward to seeing him chuck up 35 FGAs in a game to score 40, and then him smiling at the camera saying "Do I look like I'm out of the top 10 to you?" thinking he won.

[TryToBeUnbias]

:confusedshrug:

[Calabis]

Hah, you can't just change the premise. You said Kobe is better at leading his teams to titles, which is something he wasn't doing at 23 years old. Shaq was "the guy" on those Lakers squads.

Good luck debating with this dude(IronKobe Fist):lol

[Westbrook0]

I doubt anyone considers Kobe a better scorer than Durant. The best scorer in the league according to everyone I have heard is either Durant or Melo.

Where does everyone get this crap about Melo being the best scorer in the league? Are they just copying what Barkley always said to be controversial or something?

Durant scores MORE than Melo.
LeBron scores MORE than Melo, and in more ways.

Either way you slice it, someone is a better scorer than Melo.

[The Iron Fist]

Shaq was still the most dominant force in the league. Take away Westbrook and replace him with 2000-2002 Shaq (move Perk to the bench or replace him with a slightly worse backup) and I guarantee you OKC makes the Finals 2-3 times and wins a ring or two. OKC damn near made the finals last year in Durant's age 22 season.
So what did Shaq win before Kobe?

Nothing.

I guarantee you, that hypothetical situations never come true.

[The Iron Fist]

Hah, you can't just change the premise. You said Kobe is better at leading his teams to titles, which is something he wasn't doing at 23 years old. Shaq was "the guy" on those Lakers squads.


The age is irrelevant as guys come into the league under different circumstances and different ages. As it is, I never said anything about age. So, no premise was ever changed.


Shaq being the guy, has no bearing on this situation. Shaq didn't win dick without Kobe. It wasn't until Kobe became more than capable that Shaq finally won. He played many, many years without Kobe and never won.

[NumberSix]

At 23, Kobes teams got farther than Durants.

Before you use your go to excuse,

Shaq was ringless til he got himself a Kobe.
And a Rick Fox. And a Robert Horry. And a Glen Rice. Ron Harper, Derek Fisher. PHIL JACKSON

[Calabis]

The age is irrelevant as guys come into the league under different circumstances and different ages. As it is, I never said anything about age. So, no premise was ever changed.


Shaq being the guy, has no bearing on this situation. Shaq didn't win dick without Kobe. It wasn't until Kobe became more than capable that Shaq finally won. He played many, many years without Kobe and never won.

So you're going to compare Kevin Durant coming to a franchise as the man and the opposing teams main focus, to a guy who walked into a 50+ win team, with the most dominant force in the NBA.....yeah that makes a ton of sense....its funny how quick you guys are to dismiss Gasol and his 20/10 efforts during Kobe "as the man" title runs, but once someone does it with Shaq....its "AHHH HELL NAH......KOBE WAS 1A"!!!!

[The Iron Fist]

So you're going to compare Kevin Durant coming to a franchise as the man and the opposing teams main focus, to a guy who walked into a 50+ win team, with the most dominant force in the NBA.....yeah that makes a ton of sense....its funny how quick you guys are to dismiss Gasol and his 20/10 efforts during Kobe "as the man" title runs, but once someone does it with Shaq....its "AHHH HELL NAH......KOBE WAS 1A"!!!!


Nobody dismisses Gasols efforts. People just dismiss the silly notion that Pau was somehow the best player and MVP of those championship teams. Pau was simply the final piece to the puzzle. Or should Kobe have won with butter fingers Kwame Brown, Brian "Im a 7 footer and I shoot 3s and miss" Cook, and Chris Mihm?

If Shaq was so dominant, why didn't he win from his very first year as a Laker? Why did it take until Kobe developed into a premier player for him to finally get a ring?

Because he wasn't really that dominant, just overpowering.

Bottom line, they both needed each other. Only few basketball fans can admit that because they hate one guy or the other. People like you might have a leg to stand on that Kobe needed Shaq had Kobe not won 2 straight FMVPs. But guess what?

He did.


Cry about it.

[The Iron Fist]

And a Rick Fox. And a Robert Horry. And a Glen Rice. Ron Harper, Derek Fisher. PHIL JACKSON
and before that he had Penny, Horace Grant, Shaw, etc,

and still lost.

[OKCThunderUP]

The age is irrelevant as guys come into the league under different circumstances and different ages. As it is, I never said anything about age. So, no premise was ever changed.


First of all, your argument sucks from the start because you're comparing career accomplishments (RINGZZZ) of a 23 year old to a 33 year old. If I have to explain to why that's stupid, then there's really no point in even continuing the debate.

You changed MY premise, not your own. :facepalm Not a very bright individual are you?

[The Iron Fist]

First of all, your argument sucks from the start because you're comparing career accomplishments (RINGZZZ) of a 23 year old to a 33 year old. If I have to explain to why that's stupid, then there's really no point in even continuing the debate.

You changed MY premise, not your own. :facepalm Not a very bright individual are you?
Kobe at 23 had more rings than a 33 year old Steve Smith.

So whats your point? That Kobe is a top 7 player of all time?

We know.

[OKCThunderUP]

Kobe at 23 had more rings than a 33 year old Steve Smith.

So whats your point? That Kobe is a top 7 player of all time?

We know.

Holy shit you're stupid. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[The Iron Fist]

Holy shit you're stupid. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


The only one thats stupid is the one getting hurt because of the truth.

[Calabis]

Nobody dismisses Gasols efforts. People just dismiss the silly notion that Pau was somehow the best player and MVP of those championship teams. Pau was simply the final piece to the puzzle. Or should Kobe have won with butter fingers Kwame Brown, Brian "Im a 7 footer and I shoot 3s and miss" Cook, and Chris Mihm?

If Shaq was so dominant, why didn't he win from his very first year as a Laker? Why did it take until Kobe developed into a premier player for him to finally get a ring?

Because he wasn't really that dominant, just overpowering.

Bottom line, they both needed each other. Only few basketball fans can admit that because they hate one guy or the other. People like you might have a leg to stand on that Kobe needed Shaq had Kobe not won 2 straight FMVPs. But guess what?

He did.

Shaq didn't win for the same reason you just posted why Kobe didn't win, but Shaq had already been to the finals and ran into another all time great player Hakeem....and during those first three runs, I guess we can also say Kobe was the final piece to the puzzle right?....You can't have it both ways....I've said it a million times a hot Kobe Bryant is probably the most dangerous scorer ever, but there is this thing called consistency(and I don't need this TS% crap....FG% is makes and misses.....Durant is a efficient scorer, Kobe is a volume scorer and I'm sure the op is referring to this season, not Kobe's career

[Calabis]

Kobe at 23 had more rings than a 33 year old Steve Smith.

So whats your point? That Kobe is a top 7 player of all time?

We know.

Robert Horry has more rings than Kobe and MJ, does that make him #1 on the GOAT list?

[The Iron Fist]

Shaq didn't win for the same reason you just posted why Kobe didn't win, but Shaq had already been to the finals and ran into another all time great player Hakeem....and during those first three runs, I guess we can also say Kobe was the final piece to the puzzle right?....You can't have it both ways....I've said it a million times a hot Kobe Bryant is probably the most dangerous scorer ever, but there is this thing called consistency(and I don't need this TS% crap....FG% is makes and misses.....Durant is a efficient scorer, Kobe is a volume scorer and I'm sure the op is referring to this season, not Kobe's career
So Shaq being this dominant monster is overrated. I know, I already told you that.

Btw, Durant is a career .468 shooter. Not much different than Kobes .45. So save me this efficient shit when you're talking less than 2 percent.

[Calabis]

So Shaq being this dominant monster is overrated. I know, I already told you that.

Btw, Durant is a career .468 shooter. Not much different than Kobes .45. So save me this efficient shit when you're talking less than 2 percent.

Moron, Kevin Durant is shooting 50% this year, he is 23 years old, its called maturing and developing, he's taking smarter, higher quality shots, he's learning to be efficient......your boy is in year 50 and is still taking the same type of shots that he did his rookie year, he doesn't realize he's older and needs to quit jacking. Kobe volume scorer deal with it

Yeah Shaq being a dominant monster is vastly overrated by us...smh

[YAWN]

Hah, you can't just change the premise. You said Kobe is better at leading his teams to titles, which is something he wasn't doing at 23 years old. Shaq was "the guy" on those Lakers squads.

You're right, Kobe sucked. He only averaged 30/6/5 in the regular season and put up these measly playoff numbers against the two best teams in the league on the way to a title...

35/9/4 VS Kings in Semis
33/7/7 VS Spurs in WCF

[I<3NBA]

and more skilled at leading his team to titles.
you mean more skilled at being carried to a title. never won one title without being bailed out.

[zay_24]

I'll take the guy with 4 straight 40 point games this season:cheers:

[Chrono90]

Kobe is in his 16th season.

He's past his prime and ppl are comparing him and current superstars in their prime. That's hell of an accomplishment to me.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaq was still the most dominant force in the league. Take away Westbrook and replace him with 2000-2002 Shaq (move Perk to the bench or replace him with a slightly worse backup) and I guarantee you OKC makes the Finals 2-3 times and wins a ring or two. OKC damn near made the finals last year in Durant's age 22 season.
:facepalm
This garbage

Go back and watch the games 3peat playoff games moron

[Deuce Bigalow]

So you're going to compare Kevin Durant coming to a franchise as the man and the opposing teams main focus, to a guy who walked into a 50+ win team, with the most dominant force in the NBA.....yeah that makes a ton of sense....its funny how quick you guys are to dismiss Gasol and his 20/10 efforts during Kobe "as the man" title runs, but once someone does it with Shaq....its "AHHH HELL NAH......KOBE WAS 1A"!!!!
Playoff numbers

'01
Shaq - 30/15/3
Kobe - 29/7/6

'02
Shaq - 29/13/3
Kobe - 27/6/5

'09
Kobe - 30/5/6
Pau - 18/11/3

'10
Kobe - 29/6/6
Pau - 20/11/4

Yeah it's the same :facepalm

[The Iron Fist]

Playoff numbers

'01
Shaq - 30/15/3
Kobe - 29/7/6

'02
Shaq - 29/13/3
Kobe - 27/6/5

'09
Kobe - 30/5/6
Pau - 18/11/3

'10
Kobe - 29/6/6
Pau - 20/11/4

Yeah it's the same :facepalm


:mad: :rant BUT PAU WAS FMVP:rant :mad:

[RazorBaLade]

Playoff numbers

'01
Shaq - 30/15/3
Kobe - 29/7/6

'02
Shaq - 29/13/3
Kobe - 27/6/5

'09
Kobe - 30/5/6
Pau - 18/11/3

'10
Kobe - 29/6/6
Pau - 20/11/4

Yeah it's the same :facepalm

Kobrick always getting his rebounds doubled like a b!tch

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Manu has a lot of rings to who cares. Basketball is the ultimate team sport. If Kobe was in a different situation he wouldnt have titles. Hes a good player like a lot of players in the Nba things in basketball have gone his way. His personal life not so much.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

:biggums:

F**k Kevin Durant

Durant is just a young guy who is a great shooter. His length is what makes him hard to defend. He can't do an 8th of what Kobe can do on the floor. Kobe's footwork alone sh*ts all over Durant. If you can't see that then you are on :biggums:

[The Iron Fist]

Manu has a lot of rings to who cares. Basketball is the ultimate team sport. If Kobe was in a different situation he wouldnt have titles. Hes a good player like a lot of players in the Nba things in basketball have gone his way. His personal life not so much.
False. That distinction belongs to football.

[coin24]

Why do idiots on here keep trying to compare shit to Kobe??

As said above, Durant can shoot, thats his whole game. What title at 23? As far as i can see OKC arent even making the finals this year...

Kobes footwork, ballfakes, dribble/spin moves, post up ability etc kills the majority of players in the league in comparison. Yeah he can shot jack a lot, but he has put the years and years of hard work in.


And people compare him to the assclown that is Lebron James. Mr forgets how to dribble in the playoffs, cant post up to save his life, and all around underachiever. Prove me wrong:pimp:

[Legends66NBA7]

False. That distinction belongs to football.

Was going to state the same.

[KG215]

The Kobe stans have come out in full-force for this thread.

First off I'll start by saying I'm not a Kobe "hater". I may be a little biased in this particular argument because I am an OKC/KD fan. However, something interesting about the early 2000s three-peat Lakers teams is (by my measure anyway) the only time in NBA history a dynasty had two all-time top 10 players at or near the top of their peak. Magic was still green (albeit an amazing finals performance as a rookie) the first time he won with a younger Kareem, but Magic's peak coincided with Kareem being at the tail-end of his career. Jordan had Pippen but Pip is a top 25-30 player of all-time. McHale falls somewhere in the 30-50 range all-time and, despite all of the Hall-of-Famers Russell played with, the only one that flirts with top 15 all-time status is Havlicek, probably. I'm not 100% but I think Havlicek's prime years started in the late 60s when Russell's career was winding down.

However, most NBA fans, "experts", historians, etc. have both Kobe and Shaq in their top 10 all-time, and top 12-15 at worst. Perhaps 2004-2007 Kobe was slightly better than 2000-2003 Kobe but, during the three-peat with Shaq, Kobe was still near his peak, especially in the 2nd and 3rd title years. Regardless of what the Kobe fanboys think, during that three-peat, Shaq was perhaps the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen. I'm not saying he was definitively the most dominant force ever but, at the very least, he was close.

If you don't think Durant, who got his team to the WCF last year at 22 years old and the go-to guy, wouldn't have made the Finals last year, this year, and probably next year with 2000-2003 Shaq instead of Westbrook then you truly are being blinded by your Kobe love. Would KD put up the same numbers as Kobe did with Shaq? Probably not, but he'd more than likely still be a 26/7/4 player.

The premise of this ridiculous argument started when Iron Fist said Kobe had more rings at 23 than KD. While Kobe was a phenomenal player doing great things during that three-peat run, it can't be ignored he had Shaq at the height of his powers as a teammate. As good as Westbrook is, his current self isn't even in the same stratosphere as 2000-2003 Shaq.

[Mr. Jabbar]

well, kobe 5
durant 0

fu.c 0.3 in 4 more posessions...

[Mr. Jabbar]

The Kobe stans have come out in full-force for this thread.

First off I'll start by saying I'm not a Kobe "hater". I may be a little biased in this particular argument because I am an OKC/KD fan. However, something interesting about the early 2000s three-peat Lakers teams is (by my measure anyway) the only time in NBA history a dynasty had two all-time top 10 players at or near the top of their peak. Magic was still green (albeit an amazing finals performance as a rookie) the first time he won with a younger Kareem, but Magic's peak coincided with Kareem being at the tail-end of his career. Jordan had Pippen but Pip is a top 25-30 player of all-time.

However, most NBA fans, "experts", historians, etc. have both Kobe and Shaq in their top 10 all-time, and top 12-15 at worst. Perhaps 2004-2007 Kobe was slightly better than 2000-2003 Kobe but, during the three-peat with Shaq, Kobe was still near his peak, especially in the 2nd and 3rd title years. Regardless of what the Kobe fanboys think, during that three-peat, Shaq was perhaps the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen. I'm not saying he was definitively the most dominant force ever but, at the very least, he was close.

If you don't think Durant, who got his team to the WCF last year at 22 years old and the go-to guy, wouldn't have made the Finals last year, this year, and probably next year with 2000-2003 Shaq instead of Westbrook then you truly are being blinded by your Kobe love. Would KD put up the same numbers as Kobe did with Shaq? Probably not, but he'd more than likely still be a 26/7/4 player.

The premise of this ridiculous argument started when Iron Fist said Kobe had more rings at 23 than KD. While Kobe was a phenomenal player doing great things during that three-peat run, it can't be ignored he had Shaq at the height of his powers as a teammate. As good as Westbrook is, his current self isn't even in the same stratosphere as 2000-2003 Shaq.

Ladies and gentlemen, bolded right there, is the first sign of a kobe hater.

[KG215]

Ladies and gentlemen, bolded right there, is the first sign of a kobe hater.

Boy, you've got me figured out. I guess you just ignored the rest of the post. Given the amount of obvious Kobe fanboys in the thread, I knew the post would only be taken as me being a Kobe "hater". I guess the disclaimer wasn't even needed if that was the case. My bad.

[baller562]

I hope we're just talking about this year... how quickly people forget Kobe in his prime, dude had all sorts of skills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfa0x2hisrc

[KG215]

well, kobe 5
durant 0

fu.c 0.3 in 4 more posessions...

Kobe Bryant 33 years old, 16 seasons.

Durant 23 years old, 5 seasons.

How about you bring this back-up in 10 years when it's more fair to Durant.

[KG215]

I hope we're just talking about this year... how quickly people forget Kobe in his prime, dude had all sorts of skills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfa0x2hisrc

Right, and I'm pretty sure that's what the OP meant as well, this year and only this year. Only and idiot would say 23 year old/2012 Durant is as good as prime Kobe.

[coin24]

Only a moron compares 1 dimensional KD to Kobe. Its not about being a Kobe stan, its pretty easy to see if you have any knowledge on basketball in the slightest.

Kobe haters so insecure... Get back to me when your heroes KD or Lebron ever achieve something... Also, lets see what sort of performance Durant or Lebron can bring in there 16th seasons:lol

[kileer7]

2011-2012:
KD 27.8ppg TS% 61.3, fg% 50.2
Kobe 27.9ppg TS% 52.8, fg% 43.1

23 year old
Kobe: 25.2ppg TS% 54.4, fg% 46.9
KD: 27.8ppg TS% 61.3, fg% 50.2

KD's TS% & fg% this year are higher than Kobe's at any stage of his career, that is not to diminish Kobe, but rather to exalt Kevin Durant.

[KG215]

are these the same mythical posters who constantly post kobe is better than jordan? show yourselves

Judging by the last few pages I'd be more surprised if a few of these posters said the think MJ is better than Kobe then I would if the said Kobe is better than Jordan.

[coin24]

All time, yeah Jordan is the GOAT in my book. Actually watched him play, unlike a lot of younger posters on here it seems..

Newsflash, he hasnt played for like a decade, so time to stop crapping on about him.

Curently playing, not many can compare to Kobe in terms of skill level, passion for the game, desire to win, hard work etc....
You can compare ts% and PER and all that other shit that people who rarely watch games and just stat analyze use, but ill compare over what I actually see on the court.

If anything, a player in his 16th season putting up more ppg than anyone else in the league? Amazing right there:applause: 5 time champion and numerous personal awards, and you are comparing him to Durant??:lol Even worse than those morons who compare Lebrick to Kobe....

[LamarOdom]

And a Rick Fox. And a Robert Horry. And a Glen Rice. Ron Harper, Derek Fisher. PHIL JACKSON

Rick Fox:lol :lol Ron Harper:lol :lol :lol Robert Horry:lol :lol Derek fisher:lol :lol

Dumb stupid ****** Rick Fox sucks, Ron Harper was in his last season Robert Horry Sucks Derek Fisher is Derek Fisher. The only player being okay was Glen Rice, but even he was declining fast and only averaged 16 a game during the first ring.

Hater exposed!

[kileer7]

5 time champion and numerous personal awards, and you are comparing him to Durant??
Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the topic who is a better scorer in 2011-2012 Kobe or Durant?

[Legends66NBA7]

Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the topic who is a better scorer in 2011-2012 Kobe or Durant?

:oldlol:

Come on man, you're not going to expect some people here to follow the instructions in the OP, especially if their biased.

Got to fall back on something when all else fails.

[kileer7]

:oldlol:

Come on man, you're not going to expect some people here to follow the instructions in the OP, especially if their biased.

Got to fall back on something when all else fails.

LOL! Yeah you're right ... damn I even placated these guys using TS% smh all for nothing

[Legends66NBA7]

LOL! Yeah you're right ... damn I even placated these guys using TS% smh all for nothing

All good. :cheers:

I'm heading out now (got work).

Peace.

[NumberSix]

and before that he had Penny, Horace Grant, Shaw, etc,

and still lost.
Yeah, and they beat everyone but MJ's Bulls and Hakeem's Rockets. I think that's pretty good.

[comerb]

and more skilled at leading his team to titles.

Durant is 23...

[comerb]

Shaq was still the most dominant force in the league. Take away Westbrook and replace him with 2000-2002 Shaq (move Perk to the bench or replace him with a slightly worse backup) and I guarantee you OKC makes the Finals 2-3 times and wins a ring or two. OKC damn near made the finals last year in Durant's age 22 season.


Oh man, Durant and Shaq on the same team would be scary as ****.

[Calabis]

Right, and I'm pretty sure that's what the OP meant as well, this year and only this year. Only and idiot would say 23 year old/2012 Durant is as good as prime Kobe.

Exactly, which is why kobefans are the most annoying fans, the guy was comparing their scoring this year, and these morons start bringing up his entire career. Ill take prime Kobe over the current version of Durant, but I Damn sure wouldn't take him over Durant this year.

[Calabis]

Huh? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the topic who is a better scorer in 2011-2012 Kobe or Durant?
:applause:

[Figlo]

Kobe is easily the most overrated player of the Modern Era, he is basicly Iverson just with a bigger fan base.

[NumberSix]

Rick Fox:lol :lol Ron Harper:lol :lol :lol Robert Horry:lol :lol Derek fisher:lol :lol

Dumb stupid ****** Rick Fox sucks, Ron Harper was in his last season Robert Horry Sucks Derek Fisher is Derek Fisher. The only player being okay was Glen Rice, but even he was declining fast and only averaged 16 a game during the first ring.

Hater exposed!
Hater? Uhh, as I've said many times, that 2000 championshup Lakers team is my all time favorite team. How can I be a hater of my favorite team? :confusedshrug:

BTW, Rick Fox certainly does not suck. He was probably the best defender on that team

[VeeCee15]

Shaq won not because of Kobe:

1. More so to do with Shaq peaking...he was in his prime.

2. Phil Jackon

[Pharcyde]

Why do Kobe fans bring up rings when there are comparisons to a guy who is in his 5th year?

[The Iron Fist]

The Kobe stans have come out in full-force for this thread.

First off I'll start by saying I'm not a Kobe "hater". I may be a little biased in this particular argument because I am an OKC/KD fan. However, something interesting about the early 2000s three-peat Lakers teams is (by my measure anyway) the only time in NBA history a dynasty had two all-time top 10 players at or near the top of their peak. Magic was still green (albeit an amazing finals performance as a rookie) the first time he won with a younger Kareem, but Magic's peak coincided with Kareem being at the tail-end of his career. Jordan had Pippen but Pip is a top 25-30 player of all-time. McHale falls somewhere in the 30-50 range all-time and, despite all of the Hall-of-Famers Russell played with, the only one that flirts with top 15 all-time status is Havlicek, probably. I'm not 100% but I think Havlicek's prime years started in the late 60s when Russell's career was winding down.

However, most NBA fans, "experts", historians, etc. have both Kobe and Shaq in their top 10 all-time, and top 12-15 at worst. Perhaps 2004-2007 Kobe was slightly better than 2000-2003 Kobe but, during the three-peat with Shaq, Kobe was still near his peak, especially in the 2nd and 3rd title years. Regardless of what the Kobe fanboys think, during that three-peat, Shaq was perhaps the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen. I'm not saying he was definitively the most dominant force ever but, at the very least, he was close.

If you don't think Durant, who got his team to the WCF last year at 22 years old and the go-to guy, wouldn't have made the Finals last year, this year, and probably next year with 2000-2003 Shaq instead of Westbrook then you truly are being blinded by your Kobe love. Would KD put up the same numbers as Kobe did with Shaq? Probably not, but he'd more than likely still be a 26/7/4 player.

The premise of this ridiculous argument started when Iron Fist said Kobe had more rings at 23 than KD. While Kobe was a phenomenal player doing great things during that three-peat run, it can't be ignored he had Shaq at the height of his powers as a teammate. As good as Westbrook is, his current self isn't even in the same stratosphere as 2000-2003 Shaq.


Its lil tricks like you that ignore that Shaq, had Kobe. Tricks like you, act like Shaq was just going to win with anyone playing the 2. Tricks like you, act like it was a forgone conclusion that Shaq was going to win titles, even after not winning one for 7 seasons. How did Shaq go from not winning a ring, to being, "the most dominant ever"? He wasn't dominant in years prior to that? **** outta here. As I said before, this whole notion of Shaqs dominance is severely overrated. The dude is mortal like every other man on the court. He led the league in ppg only once, never in rebounds or blocks. How is that much more dominant than anyone else? It isn't.

The fact of the matter is, and it can't be ignored, Shaq didn't win shit until Kobe became a premier player. How are you gonna be dominant, but have to wait until your 2 guard becomes the best at his position to win?

[824]

Kobe is easily the most overrated player of the Modern Era, he is basicly Iverson just with a bigger fan base.

The hilarious thing is you actually believe this,

People, stop debating this shit. There are going to be stupid people who say and believe the DUMBEST SHIT IMAGINABLE there is nothing you can do about it. 95% of it comes from kids who are either teens or barely out of their teens, they aren't seeing things objectively or clearly, just whatever their little one track their minds are able to get on

[Calabis]

Playoff numbers

'01
Shaq - 30/15/3
Kobe - 29/7/6

'02
Shaq - 29/13/3
Kobe - 27/6/5

'09
Kobe - 30/5/6
Pau - 18/11/3

'10
Kobe - 29/6/6
Pau - 20/11/4

Yeah it's the same :facepalm

With Shaquille O'Neal planted on the bench, Bryant has been the man, throwing up dozens of shots off hundreds of dribbles, jacking, jabbing, juking.

And, oh yeah, losing.

Which, in the last seven years, is what happens nearly half the time when Bryant plays and O'Neal doesn't.

The Lakers' 1-4 slide might temporarily continue, but the debate is officially over.

There is nobody more important to this team than O'Neal.

If Bryant thinks he can win as many championships without him, he's as loopy as some of those jump shots.

Bryant needs O'Neal more than O'Neal needs Bryant.

What few will acknowledge, statistics collected since the start of the 1996-97 season will prove.

In games featuring O'Neal but not Bryant, the Lakers are 36-8, an .818 winning percentage.

In games featuring Bryant but not O'Neal, the Lakers are 53-45, a .541 winning percentage.

"You tell those people to come down to the court when Shaq is playing and say that," Horace Grant said after Saturday's practice. "This team is all about the big fella, and we're kidding ourselves to say otherwise."

"Shaq is the centerpiece of everything we do," Derek Fisher said. "Nothing can change that fact."

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jan/11/sports/sp-plaschke11

Now to u'r little bullshit playoff rant

last time I checked its Finals MVP, not playoff MVP, I simply stated many people felt that Gasol deserved the MVP

Pau Gasol: The Real Finals MVP
DateJune 19, 2010 | By: AuthorZachariah Blott

Congratulations to Los Angeles on winning consecutive titles, but we need to clear up a little matter called the Finals MVP Award. As much as Kobe Bryant seems like an obvious selection because he's the team's most lauded player and he averaged 28.6 points per, he clearly was not the Lakers' best player in the 2010 Finals. That player was Pau Gasol.



The most straight-forward way of looking at this debate is that the series was decided by defense and rebounding. It was a low-scoring, poorly shot affair all around, and the Lakers won the rebounding battle by a landslide in their four wins. Gasol was by far their most impressive rebounder in the series, leading everyone in both the amount he collected and his skill in doing so in the trenches, picking up the tough ones in traffic (not the long caroms that guards usually end up with). On top of that, his strong interior defense set the tone for the Lakers, who rode their defense to the championship; Bryant spent the series playing centerfield far off of Rajon Rondo, certainly not a stopper or defensive game-changer in any capacity.



Statistically, Gasol's input in his Lakers' title defense was significantly more important than that of Bryant. Obviously Kobe's 29 points per look better than Gasol's 19, but it was simply the result of shooting an insane amount of shots at a low percentage. Although the Lakers shot a pitiful 41% over their seven games with Boston, Bryant actually made things worse by shooting 40% (66-163). Not only that, but in a series full of close fourth-quarter battles, Bryant shot an abysmal 31% (11-36) in the games' final periods. Gasol connected on a team-high 48% from the field, hitting 43 of 90 attempts. His efficiency from the field was instrumental in stressing a tight Boston defense.



From a distribution/running-the-O standpoint, Gasol far trumped Kobe in the Finals. The big Spaniard lead the entire Laker squad with a phenomenal 26-13 (2.0) assist-turnover rate. He did a great job passing out of double teams, passing out of the low-post, high-post, perimeter, etc. The only player to accrue more assists on LA was the primary ball handler, Bryant, who handed out one more, 27. Unfortunately for the team, he also turned the ball over 27 times for a terrible 1.0 ratio. It could have been much worse if his teammates didn't hustle to retain possession on numerous Bryant passes that were tipped away by the Celtics into random spaces each game. Offensively, there is no question that Gasol was far more important to the overall success and effectiveness of the Lakers' attack.





Considering the winner of all seven games was also the team that lead each contest in rebounds, this part of their games cannot be overlooked. Gasol was the top rebounder by quite a substantial margin for the series, snagging 11.6 boards per, including an incredible 5.0 offensive each night. With the rest of the Lakers shooting such a low percentage from the field, Gasol's offensive rebounds and the subsequent second-chance points alone were regularly the difference between winning and losing. He surpassed his rebound average in four of the seven games, so there were no single-game totals that pushed his average so high.



Bryant chipped in with an impressive 8.0 rebounds per, including 1.7 offensive, but it should be pointed out he met or exceeded that average only twice. A few outliers skewed his average above a true indication of what he contributed in this category. Not only that, most of Gasol's boards were grabbed in the middle of hard-fought scrums in the paint, whereas Bryant's were usually of the long-bounce-right-to-him variety.



Defensively, Gasol's man-to-man defense is alright, but his ability to energetically block and redirect shots was unparalleled, blocking 18 for the series (2.6 per) and persuading multiple potential shots to not be taken. A big man's defensive presence is always more valuable than a wing's because they have to help clean up the mess opposing guards make when they drive into the paint. That being said, Bryant's defense wasn't responsible for much in the series. He guarded Rajon Rondo, who can't shoot, by hanging out in the lane; Bryant rarely had to hustle or be responsible for containing any tough plays. Rondo still ended up averaging 14 points and 8 assists for the series. Bryant did get credit for 15 steals over the seven games, 8 of which came in two home contests when any deflections caused by his teammates' hustle were given to him if LA's stats keepers determined he gained possession in the end. NBA stats keepers, who work for individual clubs, are allowed a lot of leeway in determining who to give credit for steals, which is why it's one of the most home-oriented statistics for star players.



Pau Gasol was clearly the most impressive player in the 2010 Finals and deserved to win the Bill Russell MVP Award. This is not a slight to Bryant, it's just that Gasol is that good. He is the only other player in the best-big-in-the-league discussion with Dwight Howard. Duncan's slowing speed has taken away a lot of his defense, and Chris Bosh is neither a defender, passer, winner, or much more than a pedestrian shooter inside. On the other hand, the best perimeter player in the league is an argument involving Chris Paul, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Kevin Durant, maybe Jason Kidd, and Bryant.



Gasol is doing some special things right now that have brought the Lakers out of their three-year .500-ball funk and into a great stretch of Finals runs that includes two titles. It's time he got his due.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/show/_/showId/mikeandmike/postId/5319120/did-kobe-bryant-deserve-finals-mvp

Numerous articles and people felt this way, deal with it

[Calabis]

Hater? Uhh, as I've said many times, that 2000 championshup Lakers team is my all time favorite team. How can I be a hater of my favorite team? :confusedshrug:

BTW, Rick Fox certainly does not suck. He was probably the best defender on that team

Its amazing how Kobefans, not Laker fans downgrade everyone around him....Fisher has more memorable finals moments than Kobe, and Horry more clutch baskets

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Why do Kobe fans bring up rings when there are comparisons to a guy who is in his 5th year?

Kobe rang, not once, not twice but 3 times at the same age.

:confusedshrug:

[chips93]

Numerous articles and people felt this way, deal with it

isnt the finals mvp voted upon by the media?

so quoting some articles, and saying that the media thought that gasol was FMVP is absurd.

it was voted upon by the media, the media thought that kobe was FMVP.

[NumberSix]

isnt the finals mvp voted upon by the media?

so quoting some articles, and saying that the media thought that gasol was FMVP is absurd.

it was voted upon by the media, the media thought that kobe was FMVP.
Keep in mind that there are only like 11 votes for finals MVP

[Calabis]

isnt the finals mvp voted upon by the media?

so quoting some articles, and saying that the media thought that gasol was FMVP is absurd.

it was voted upon by the media, the media thought that kobe was FMVP.

LMAO...dude several members of the media felt that Gasol should have been, I didn't tell them to voice their opinion, but they did. These same kobetrolls are so quick to take other greats sidekicks and make their MVP case. By the way got 2 out of the 11 from the 11 allowed to vote

[creepingdeath]

Meh, typical Kobe thread.

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[chips93]

LMAO...dude several members of the media felt that Gasol should have been, I didn't tell them to voice their opinion, but they did. By the way got 2 out of the 11 from the 11 allowed to vote

yes some members of the media wrote articles about gasol winning FMVP, and some voted for him

but more voted for kobe, they just didnt need to write articles defending it. why would they?


These same kobetrolls are so quick to take other greats sidekicks and make their MVP case.

i dont care

somebody else acting like a douche is no excuse for you to do the same

[Deuce Bigalow]

The Kobe stans have come out in full-force for this thread.

First off I'll start by saying I'm not a Kobe "hater". I may be a little biased in this particular argument because I am an OKC/KD fan. However, something interesting about the early 2000s three-peat Lakers teams is (by my measure anyway) the only time in NBA history a dynasty had two all-time top 10 players at or near the top of their peak. Magic was still green (albeit an amazing finals performance as a rookie) the first time he won with a younger Kareem, but Magic's peak coincided with Kareem being at the tail-end of his career. Jordan had Pippen but Pip is a top 25-30 player of all-time. McHale falls somewhere in the 30-50 range all-time and, despite all of the Hall-of-Famers Russell played with, the only one that flirts with top 15 all-time status is Havlicek, probably. I'm not 100% but I think Havlicek's prime years started in the late 60s when Russell's career was winding down.

However, most NBA fans, "experts", historians, etc. have both Kobe and Shaq in their top 10 all-time, and top 12-15 at worst. Perhaps 2004-2007 Kobe was slightly better than 2000-2003 Kobe but, during the three-peat with Shaq, Kobe was still near his peak, especially in the 2nd and 3rd title years. Regardless of what the Kobe fanboys think, during that three-peat, Shaq was perhaps the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen. I'm not saying he was definitively the most dominant force ever but, at the very least, he was close.

If you don't think Durant, who got his team to the WCF last year at 22 years old and the go-to guy, wouldn't have made the Finals last year, this year, and probably next year with 2000-2003 Shaq instead of Westbrook then you truly are being blinded by your Kobe love. Would KD put up the same numbers as Kobe did with Shaq? Probably not, but he'd more than likely still be a 26/7/4 player.

The premise of this ridiculous argument started when Iron Fist said Kobe had more rings at 23 than KD. While Kobe was a phenomenal player doing great things during that three-peat run, it can't be ignored he had Shaq at the height of his powers as a teammate. As good as Westbrook is, his current self isn't even in the same stratosphere as 2000-2003 Shaq.
No it would not happen

Durant AVERAGES MORE TURNOVERS THAN ASSISTS
Durant averages HALF the assists as Kobe

Kobe was also an elite perimeter defender, Durant? no.

Kobe LED the Lakers in PPG and APG in the first 3 rounds of the 2001 and 2002 Playoffs.

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

2002 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 26.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.4 APG, .418 FG%
Shaq - 26.4 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 2.6 APG, .510 FG%

Kobe also LED the Lakers in 4th Quarter scoring in the entire 2001 and 2002 Playoffs.

You think Durant could do that? lol.

Maybe a ring in 2000. But at age 21? It's a big maybe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is easily the most overrated player of the Modern Era, he is basicly Iverson just with a bigger fan base.
"Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time"
-Jerry West

"Kobe is the best Laker of all-time"
-Magic Johnson

"Kobe is the greatest Laker ever"
-Shaquille O'Neal

They sure don't think he's overrated.

[04mzwach]

"Kobe is the greatest Laker of all-time"
-Jerry West

"Kobe is the best Laker of all-time"
-Magic Johnson

"Kobe is the greatest Laker ever"
-Shaquille O'Neal

They sure don't think he's overrated.
Those are all Lakers supporting the current NBA product.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Those are all Lakers supporting the current NBA product.
maybe it's because:

NBA awards and accomplishments

5-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010[13][14][15]
7 NBA Finals appearances: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010[13][14][15][16][17]
2-time NBA Finals MVP: 2009, 2010
NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008[7][18][19]
2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007[20]
14-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012[9]
14 consecutive selections, 13 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to a league-wide lockout)[9][21]
Missed the 2010 game due to injury[22]
4-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007, 2009, 2011 (shared the 2009 award with Shaquille O'Neal)[23]
13-time All-NBA Team selection:
First team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011[24][25]
Second team: 2000, 2001[24][25]
Third team: 1999, 2005[24][25]
11-time All-Defensive Team selection:
First team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011[26][27]
Second team: 2001, 2002[26][27]
NBA All-Rookie Team selection:
Second team: 1997[28][29]
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997[30]
16-time Player of the Month: December 2000, November 2001, January 2003, March 2004, January 2006, April 2006, December 2006, March 2007, April 2007, February 2008, April 2008, December 2008, January 2009, December 2009, March 2011, December/January 2012[9]
Player of the Month was awarded separately to Eastern and Western Conference starting from the 2001–02 season.[31]
NBA regular season leader:
games played: 1998–99 (50), 2007–08 (82), 2008–09 (82)[9]
usage percentage: 2005–06 (38.7), 2010–11 (35.1)[9]
points: 2002–03 (2,461), 2005–06 (2,832, 7th in NBA history),[32] 2006–07 (2,430), 2007–08 (2,323)[9]
points per game: 2005–06 (35.4, 8th in NBA history),[33] 2006–07 (31.6)[9]
field goals attempted: 2005–06 (2,173), 2006–07 (1,757), 2007–08 (1,690), 2010–11 (1,639)[9]
field goals made: 2002–03 (868), 2005–06 (978), 2006–07 (813)[9]
free throws attempted: 2006–07 (768)[9]
free throws made: 2005–06 (696), 2006–07 (667)[9]
2nd most points in a game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors)[5][6]
NBA playoffs leader:
win shares: 2001 (3.8)
points: 2004 (539), 2008 (633), 2009 (695), 2010 (671)
points per game: 2003 (32.1), 2007 (32.8), 2008 (30.1)
minutes played: 2002 (833), 2004 (973)
field goals made: 2004 (190), 2008 (222), 2009 (242), 2010 (234)
field goals attempted: 2002 (431), 2004 (460), 2008 (463), 2009 (530), 2010 (511)
free throws made: 2004 (135), 2008 (157), 2009 (174), 2010 (154)
free throws attempted: 2008 (194), 2010 (183)
steals: 2000 (32), 2009 (38)
turnovers: 2010 (79)
personal fouls: 2000 (89)

NBA records

Currently holds

Bryant scored 50 points or more in four consecutive games in 2007.
Bryant holds or shares numerous NBA records:
Most All-Star Game MVP awards won, career: 4 (tied with Bob Pettit)
Most All-Star Game points scored, career: 271[34]
Most All-Defensive First Team honors won, career: 9 (tied with Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, and Kevin Garnett)
Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[35]
Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (on March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 5 other players)[35][36]
Most three-point field goal attempts, career-playoffs: 822[37]
Most free throws made, four-game playoff series: 51 (second round vs. Sacramento Kings, 2001)[38]
Most points scored in one arena, career: 13,812 (as of March 9, 2012, at Staples Center, Los Angeles)[39][40]
Surpassed Hakeem Olajuwon, the previous holder of the record[40]
Youngest player to score 20,000 points: (29 years, 122 days)[41]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[41]
Became one of only three players to reach the milestone under the age of 30. The other two are Chamberlain (29 years, 134 days)[41] and Michael Jordan (29 years, 326 days).[42]
Youngest player to score 23,000 points: (30 years, 171 days)[43]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[43]
Youngest player to score 24,000 points: (31 years, 76 days)[44]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[44]
Youngest player to score 25,000 points: (31 years, 151 days)[45]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[45]
Youngest player to score 26,000 points: (32 years, 80 days)[46]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 27,000 points: (32 years, 160 days)[47]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 28,000 points: (33 years, 131 days)[48][49]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 29,000 points: (33 years, 199 days)[50]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Rookie Team: (1996–97)[51]
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team: (1999–00)[51]
Youngest player to start a game: (18 years, 158 days)[1]
Youngest player to start an All-Star game[51]
Youngest player to win the NBA Slam Dunk Championship: (18 years, 169 days)[52]
Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years.[53]
633 (2008), 695 (2009), 671 (2010)[53]

Previously held
Youngest player to score 18,000 points: (28 years, 156 days)
Surpassed by Lebron James at 27 years and 35 days on February 3, 2012.
Youngest player to score 15,000 points: (27 years, 136 days)[54]
Surpassed by LeBron James (25 years, 79 days) on March 19, 2010[55]
Youngest player to score 10,000 points: (24 years, 193 days) on March 4, 2003[1][56]
Surpassed by LeBron James (23 years, 59 days) on February 27, 2008[57]
Youngest player to appear in an NBA game: (18 years, 72 days) on November 3, 1996[51]
Broken by Jermaine O'Neal and Andrew Bynum[51]

Los Angeles Lakers franchise records

Bryant holds or shares numerous Lakers franchise records:
Most seasons played
15 (1996–1997 to 2010–2011)
Most playoff seasons played
14 (1997 – 2004, 2006 – 2011)
Games
Most career regular-season games played: 1,103[58]
Most career playoff games played: 208[59]
Points
Career: 28,988 (as of March 9, 2012)[60] Surpassed Jerry West, the previous holder of the record, on February 1, 2010[61]

Career, playoffs: 5,280 (as of May 12, 2011)[60] Surpassed Jerry West, the previous holder of the record, on April 23, 2010)[62]

Season: 2,832 (2005–06)[9]
Game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5][6]
Half: 55 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5]
Quarter: 30 (twice, most recently on November 30, 2006 in 3rd quarter vs. Utah Jazz)[5]
Games scoring 60 points or more, career: 5 (as of March 22, 2011)[63]
Games scoring 50 points or more, career: 24 (as of March 22, 2011)[63]
Games scoring 50 points or more, season: 10 (2006–07)[1]
Games scoring 40 points or more, career: 110 (as of January 13, 2012)[61]
Games scoring 40 points or more, season: 27 (2005–06)[64]

Consecutive games of 50 points or more: 4 (March 16–23, 2007)[65] Behind Wilt Chamberlain (7 consecutive games five times in 1961–62)[65]

Consecutive games of 40 points or more: 9 (February 6–23, 2003)[66] Tied with Michael Jordan (1986–87) and behind Wilt Chamberlain (14 consecutive games twice in 1961–62 and 10 consecutive games in 1962–63)[66][67]

Field goals made and attempted
Career attempts: 22,304 (as of March 9, 2012)[68][60]
Career: 10,118 (as of March 9, 2012)[69]
Career, playoffs: 1,882 (as of May 12, 2011)[70]
Career attempts, playoffs: 4,198 (as of May 12, 2011)[71]
Half: 18 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5][72]
Half attempts: 28 (tied with Elgin Baylor; on November 17, 2002 at Boston Celtics)[72]
Half, playoffs: 12 (tied with Elgin Baylor; on April 20, 2003 at Minnesota Timberwolves)[73]
Quarter: 11 (twice, most recently on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[72]
Quarter attempts, playoffs: 13 (tied with 3 players; on May 13, 2003 at San Antonio Spurs)[73]
Free throws made and attempted
Career: 7,281 (as of March 9, 2012)[69][60]
Career attempts: 8,807 (as of April 1, 2012)
Career, playoffs: 1,241 (as of June 18, 2011)[59][74]
Career attempts, playoffs: 1,522 (as of June 18, 2011)[59]
Game: 23 (twice, most recently on January 31, 2006 vs. New York Knicks)[72][75]
Game, playoffs: 21 (on May 4, 2008 vs. Utah Jazz)[73][76]
Half: 17 (on January 30, 2001 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers)[72]
Quarter: 14 (on February 27, 2007 vs. Utah Jazz)[72]
Quarter, playoffs: 11 (tied with 3 players; on May 8, 1997 vs. Utah Jazz)[73]
Consecutive: 62 (January 11–22, 2006)[5][72]
Three-point field goals made and attempted
Career: 1,418 (as of March 9, 2012)[1][72]
Career, playoffs: 275 (as of March 9, 2012)[77]
Game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[72][78]
Half: 8 (1st half, on March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards)[72][79]
Consecutive: 9 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[78]
Career attempts: 4,376 (as of March 9, 2012)[60]
Career attempts, playoffs: 822 (as of June 18, 2011)[37]
Season attempts: 518 (2005–06)[1][72]
Game attempts: 18 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[72][78]
Steals
Half: 6 (tied with 3 players; on February 13, 2006 vs. Utah Jazz)[72]
Quarter, playoffs: 3 (five times, tied with 9 players; most recently on June 15, 2008 vs. Boston Celtics)[73]
Minutes played
Career: 41,653 (as of March 9, 2012)[68][80]
Career, playoffs: 8,165 (as of June 18, 2011)[68][81]
Personal Fouls
career, playoffs: 627 (as of June 18, 2011)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Kobe_Bryant

[KG215]

No it would not happen

Durant AVERAGES MORE TURNOVERS THAN ASSISTS
Durant averages HALF the assists as Kobe

Kobe was also an elite perimeter defender, Durant? no.

Kobe LED the Lakers in PPG and APG in the first 3 rounds of the 2001 and 2002 Playoffs.

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

2002 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 26.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.4 APG, .418 FG%
Shaq - 26.4 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 2.6 APG, .510 FG%

Kobe also LED the Lakers in 4th Quarter scoring in the entire 2001 and 2002 Playoffs.

You think Durant could do that? lol.

Maybe a ring in 2000. But at age 21? It's a big maybe.

Did you miss the part where I said Durant wouldn't put up the same numbers if he had Shaq that Kobe put up with Shaq? KD is averaging 3.5 assists per game this season. You don't think having a dominant low-post scorer like Shaq might give Durant 1-2 more assists per game? Again, I didn't say KD would put up 30/6/5 numbers like Kobe, but saying he'd be a 25-7-4 on 48/40/88-90 isn't unrealistic. If Shaq was Shaq and KD put up those numbers, then i don't see how you can't at least entertain the thought of this current Thunder team (replacing Westbrook with prime Shaq) wouldn't win a ring or two.

[KG215]

Its lil tricks like you that ignore that Shaq, had Kobe. Tricks like you, act like Shaq was just going to win with anyone playing the 2. Tricks like you, act like it was a forgone conclusion that Shaq was going to win titles, even after not winning one for 7 seasons. How did Shaq go from not winning a ring, to being, "the most dominant ever"? He wasn't dominant in years prior to that? **** outta here. As I said before, this whole notion of Shaqs dominance is severely overrated. The dude is mortal like every other man on the court. He led the league in ppg only once, never in rebounds or blocks. How is that much more dominant than anyone else? It isn't.

The fact of the matter is, and it can't be ignored, Shaq didn't win shit until Kobe became a premier player. How are you gonna be dominant, but have to wait until your 2 guard becomes the best at his position to win?

What the hell is a trick? Remind me again, where did I say Shaq would have won a ring regardless of who was playing SG? I'm 100% positive I said no such thing. I do like you're attempt to put words in my mouth though. Appreciate it.

[NumberSix]

Shaq

[Human Error]

Shaq would have won the multiple titles with any good to great SG instead of Kobe. Kobe got the title because of Shaq and not the other way around.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaq would have won the multiple titles with any good to great SG instead of Kobe. Kobe got the title because of Shaq and not the other way around.
That is why he won multiple rings from '93-'99...

[KingBeasley08]

shaq was a gawd back then :oldlol:

3 rings
3 finals mvp

kobe who? :bowdown: :bowdown:

[bdreason]

So what did Shaq win before Kobe?




Kobe as the main man was only able to take a team to a 7th seed and 1st round exit. :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe as the main man was only able to take a team to a 7th seed and 1st round exit. :oldlol:
what happened when he actually got a team?

[Heavincent]

Kobe as the main man was only able to take a team to a 7th seed and 1st round exit. :oldlol:

You forgot about the 3 Finals appearances and 2 championships.

[bdreason]

what happened when he actually got a team?


Kobe is a great player, no doubt. I'm only responding to the posters who try and compare him to Shaq and Jordan.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaq without Kobe:
1 Championship
2 Finals
Swept 4 times

Kobe without Shaq:
2 Championships
3 Finals
Swept once

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is a great player, no doubt. I'm only responding to the posters who try and compare him to Shaq and Jordan.
You can't compare Kobe to Shaq?
lol

[bdreason]

You can't compare Kobe to Shaq?
lol


In regards to scoring efficiency and overall dominance?


Nope.

[Bandito]

Kobe is a great player, no doubt. I'm only responding to the posters who try and compare him to Shaq and Jordan.
:facepalm

[KingBeasley08]

Shaq without Kobe:
1 Championship
2 Finals
Swept 4 times

Kobe without Shaq:
2 Championships
3 Finals
Swept once
Shaq with Kobe: Better player
Kobe with Shaq: Sidekick

all that really needs to be said

[Deuce Bigalow]

Shaq with Kobe: Better player
Kobe with Shaq: Sidekick

all that really needs to be said
Kobe led a team to back to back championships without Shaq
Plus helped Shaq get 3.

[Deuce Bigalow]

In regards to scoring efficiency and overall dominance?


Nope.
efficiency between a center and a shooting guard is a great comparison.

[Legends66NBA7]

Kobe is easily the most overrated player of the Modern Era, he is basicly Iverson just with a bigger fan base.

Stupid.

Nobody will ever be more overrated than Karl Malone of the Modern Era, as of now.