How many games should Artest get on the flagrant foul vs Harden?

[BlueandGold]

Ok so I didn't personally watch the game.. been working all day (school work) and didn't have time to do anything until now but i was actually about to post a thread stating whether it was an intentional foul or not until i saw the replay of it on youtube.

It's still a little unclear on whether or not it was intentional because it did appear his anatomical range of motion was within the framework of his celebration but with super-slow replay and the proper close-up it does look a little sketchy on his part since his elbow did extend a little bit too far beyond his back, thus catching Harden.

Of course you could also argue that Artest couldn't really see harden because of the adrenaline of the spectacular dunk that he just finished but if you were a league official with that framework in mind how many game suspension should he get (if any) and why do you believe it should be x amount of games?

[EoJ]

I say 3 - 5

[NumberSix]

4 or 5 games.

[DuMa]

2 games for violent elbow to the head.
2 games because he has been a repeat offender in the past.

so he should really miss the first 3 games of the playoffs for the lakers.

[KB2009Champ]

3 games max and a heavy fine.

[qrich]

I'd generally say 2-5 but with Artest's past, expecting to see about 8-12.

[maybeshewill13]

A lot. This isn't getting 2-3.. it will be much more.

[jb220]

How many games should Harden get on the flagrant flop?

[BlueandGold]

2 games for violent elbow to the head.
2 games because he has been a repeat offender in the past.

so he should really miss the first 3 games of the playoffs for the lakers.
I was going to say 1 myself just because of the disputable nature of the foul's malicious intent or not (remember you have to prove malicious intent for there to either be a flagrant or a suspension) but seeing also the damage that might have been done and some other responses on here I was going to up it to 2 just to sound reasonable.

Minus the bottom part of your post that should be in line with exactly what i think a fair punitive action would look like. In regards to latter post itself I don't think that its fair to tack on a "repeat offender" clause to Artest's penalty because 1. the initial offense was an isolated one and 2. Artest has done a complete 180 since then and nothing of the sort has happened since.


A lot. This isn't getting 2-3.. it will be much more.

You do understand why i put "explain why" in the OP don't you?

[Mr. Jabbar]

all season tbh, including playoffs.

[maybeshewill13]

all season tbh, including playoffs.

I wouldn't be at all surprised. The NBA needs to make an example of this.

[bmulls]

Bynum got 5, but I think his was worse because it was "premeditated", where Artest's was in the heat of the moment.

But then Artest has a past history which must be taken into consideration.

So I think 5 games is fair.

[Haymaker]

Not less than Bynum for the Barea incident.

[BlueandGold]

all season tbh, including playoffs.
Wtf are you kidding me? For that? It looked much worse than what it was..


Bynum got 5, but I think his was worse because it was "premeditated", where Artest's was in the heat of the moment.

But then Artest has a past history which must be taken into consideration.

So I think 5 games is fair.

Yea thanks for bringing this in.. was trying to remember some type of precedent. If a player coming at another player only gets 4 or so game then something that was arguably unintentional should get much less imo, at least half of something that is 100% undeniably intentional so i believe 2 is fair.

[EnoughSaid]

Bynum got 5 games for elbowing a SMALLER JJ Barea while he was IN THE AIR. That looked 100% intentional. This is different, because you could say that maybe Artest wasn't trying to hit him.

He at least would probably get one game, if not 2 or 3. :confusedshrug:

[Velocirap31]

How many games should Harden get on the flagrant flop?

I'd like to see you take an elbow like that from a guy like Artest.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Wtf are you kidding me? For that? It looked much worse than what it was..

i know, but they'll look at his record...

[jb220]

Junk removed

[talkingconch]

2-3

[brwnman]

This year and next year...

[talkingconch]

I'd pay to see you take a **** from a guy like Artest
http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

[colorz]

It should be like 3-5, but I can see them holding him out for like 7-8 with a heavy fine

[BlueandGold]

i know, but they'll look at his record...
Totally unacceptable for the reasons i stated:

His "record" consists of essentially one isolated incident, anything other than that has been off-the-court slight-media-whore-ish stuff. Other than those 2 his legal record has been impeccable.

He has also been a model example for the NBA since his 04-pacer incident and nothing close has happened since then.

[maybeshewill13]

Wtf are you kidding me? For that? It looked much worse than what it was..


Lets so how you take an elbow at that force from Artest and see if you think the same thing.

He's lucky he didn't hit Harden in the temple, **** could of literally caused serious brain damage/killed him.. and no, that's not an overreaction. If you have any education in human anatomy you would know this.

[Velocirap31]

I'd pay to see you take a **** from a guy like Artest

That's just gay. Work on your comebacks, you homo.

[Jimmy2k8]

That deserves a 5-6 game suspension. I don't care what anyone says; it was intentional and unnecessary. Anybody that says otherwise needs to get their eyes checked out at their local eye doctor.

The reason for a 5-6 game suspension? So that shit like this doesn't happen again, and hopefully will scare players into not committing that type of dirty play.

[StateOfMind12]

It depends on the severity of Harden's injury to be honest but I would have to say the rest of the regular season and the entire 1st round at least which would be about 7-8 games.

[Nevaeh]

Ok so I didn't personally watch the game.. been working all day (school work) and didn't have time to do anything until now but i was actually about to post a thread stating whether it was an intentional foul or not until i saw the replay of it on youtube.

It's still a little unclear on whether or not it was intentional because it did appear his anatomical range of motion was within the framework of his celebration but with super-slow replay and the proper close-up it does look a little sketchy on his part since his elbow did extend a little bit too far beyond his back, thus catching Harden.

Of course you could also argue that Artest couldn't really see harden because of the adrenaline of the spectacular dunk that he just finished but if you were a league official with that framework in mind how many game suspension should he get (if any) and why do you believe it should be x amount of games?

I've yet to see a player celebrate a basket by trying to knock another player the f@ck out. Until today of course. Featuring, surprise surprise, Ron "Metta Man" Artest. That sh!t was as blatant as his "choke Job" against that Fan in Detroit back in the day.

Based on history, and the fact that Stern can't stand his ass, we're looking at most likely the 1st round. Depending on the damage to Harden, 1st and 2nd round.

[MeloMike]

4-5 and a fine. That was in no way understandable at all. Pretty disgusting play.

Good guy to make an example of as well if they want.

[Kingwillball]

I could see it being 5-7 games.. So Basically Lakers would have to win first round series W/o MWP

[Yung D-Will]

You can't blame Metta World Peace for the past actions of Ron Artest.

[Jimmy2k8]

The reality is, he isn't going to get much of a suspension. Look at Bynum's situation: He could have literally killed Barea on the spot and yet he only got a 5 game suspension(reduced to 4 games). I'd say that he gets a 2-3 game suspension, but he really deserves 5-6 games just as much Bynum deserves 10 games for his dirty play last season.

[RazorBaLade]

Lets so how you take an elbow at that force from Artest and see if you think the same thing.

He's lucky he didn't hit Harden in the temple, **** could of literally caused serious brain damage/killed him.. and no, that's not an overreaction. If you have any education in human anatomy you would know this.

Yeah but that's kind of the risk when you get up in someones grill. Artest did it way too hard but thats at MOST a foul or just a prolonged celebration if harden wasn't trying to punk him.

I half don't even care that it happened because I'm so annoyed at why harden thought it was a smart idea to try and get in artests side and push him... Hes a ****in retard. He was jawing way too much last game too.

I take it as a 5 game suspension at the most based on how it all happened and the results and the context and the reactions, and count down 1 for the fact that harden stupidly came at him and count down 1 because I think if that was a playoff game harden would have came out and played.

So I end up with 3. As a lakers fan I can easily try and argue it should only be 1 or 2, but based on the mentality I take I can EASILY, EASILY take it as a 6-8 game suspension. So I think 3 is going to be good.

[maybeshewill13]

Yeah but that's kind of the risk when you get up in someones grill. Artest did it way too hard but thats at MOST a foul or just a prolonged celebration if harden wasn't trying to punk him.

I half don't even care that it happened because I'm so annoyed at why harden thought it was a smart idea to try and get in artests side and push him... Hes a ****in retard. He was jawing way too much last game too.

I take it as a 5 game suspension at the most based on how it all happened and the results and the context and the reactions, and count down 1 for the fact that harden stupidly came at him and count down 1 because I think if that was a playoff game harden would have came out and played.

So I end up with 3. As a lakers fan I can easily try and argue it should only be 1 or 2, but based on the mentality I take I can EASILY, EASILY take it as a 6-8 game suspension. So I think 3 is going to be good.

We'll see if the NBA agrees with you ;)

[BlueandGold]

I've yet to see a player celebrate a basket by trying to knock another player the f@ck out. Until today of course. Featuring, surprise surprise, Ron "Metta Man" Artest. That sh!t was as blatant as his "choke Job" against that Fan in Detroit back in the day.

Based on history, and the fact that Stern can't stand his ass, we're looking at most likely the 1st round. Depending on the damage to Harden, 1st and 2nd round.

Your wording it unfairly there.. the only conclusive thing you could say from watching the replay is that he might have extended his elbow too far back, and from the adrenaline from the impressive play he just executed and within the context of the game it could be argued as to whether the play was intentional or not.

Like another poster said, Bynum has about 100 pounds on barea and his was definitely intentional, I don't see how Artest would get more than Bynum given that his "malicious intent"(as i stated earlier, has to be proven for a fragrant to be called and a suspension to be given) is arguable at best when compared to Bynum's play.

[RazorBaLade]

We'll see if the NBA agrees with you ;)

What do you think would be a fair amount? 8?

[L.Kizzle]

2012, 4 game suspension.

1982, a fine and will play next game.

[Pushxx]

Suspended through the playoffs. At least.

[Haymaker]

You can't blame Metta World Peace for the past actions of Ron Artest. :oldlol:

[RazorBaLade]

Your wording it unfairly there.. the only conclusive thing you could say from watching the replay is that he might have extended his elbow too far back, and from the adrenaline from the impressive play he just executed and within the context of the game it could be argued as to whether the play was intentional or not.

Like another poster said, Bynum has about 100 pounds on barea and his was definitely intentional, I don't see how Artest would get more than Bynum given that his "malicious intent"(as i stated earlier, has to be proven for a fragrant to be called and a suspension to be given) is arguable at best when compared to Bynum's play.

This was without a doubt intentional.

If he was not capable of putting "a man just backed into me, i am going to swing my elbow backwards" together and realize he is hitting a person if he goes through with it, then I don't know how he even lives.

He got mad after a big play and harden wanted to be tough, he showed him who's tougher.

[BlueandGold]

2012, 4 game suspension.

1982, a fine and will play next game.
Yea thanks for adding some perspective in the conversation.. i was going to go into a huge rant about how basketball fans who started watching in the 90s/80s cringe everytime a foul is handed out now but i didn't really see the purpose of doing that in this thread.... the game has changed a lot since then and if u wanted to use any type of precedent or comparison to Artest's foul then it would have to be within this era of the game (early/mid 00s to present).

[maybeshewill13]

What do you think would be a fair amount? 8?

TBH, that sounds about right to me. I'd say the exact same thing if it was Durant or anyone else in the league. I wouldn't be surprised if it got more (or less) from the NBA though.. I honestly don't know which way they'll go.

As someone who's been on the end of dirty play a couple of times in my sporting life, I really feel like the players of the NBA would be pretty pissed off if the NBA let these kind of things go lightly..

[RazorBaLade]

TBH, that sounds about right to me. I'd say the exact same thing if it was Durant or anyone else in the league. I wouldn't be surprised if it got more (or less) from the NBA though.. I honestly don't know which way they'll go.

As someone who's been on the end of dirty play a couple of times in my sporting life, I really feel like the players of the NBA would be pretty pissed off if the NBA let these kind of things go lightly..

I wonder if because of the playoffs they might have him miss the next say 10 or 12 games of the regular season instead of losing out on any playoffs. That'd be getting off easy I guess yet at the same time its way more games next year.

[BlueandGold]

This was without a doubt intentional.

If he was not capable of putting "a man just backed into me, i am going to swing my elbow backwards" together and realize he is hitting a person if he goes through with it, then I don't know how he even lives.

He got mad after a big play and harden wanted to be tough, he showed him who's tougher.
Yea but why would he do this knowing every physical play that he commits is going to be closely scrutinized by the NBA and its community? He did seem pretty sad that it even happened after the play, after the 5 minutes he spent pleading with the official that it was not his fault.

[maybeshewill13]

I wonder if because of the playoffs they might have him miss the next say 10 or 12 games of the regular season instead of losing out on any playoffs. That'd be getting off easy I guess yet at the same time its way more games next year.

Nah I HIGHLY doubt they would do this (if it's even allowed). It's like a get out of jail free card. He probably couldn't give two ****s if he missed 12 regular season games lol.

[RazorBaLade]

Yea but why would he do this knowing every physical play that he commits is going to be closely scrutinized by the NBA and its community? He did seem pretty sad that it even happened after the play, after the 5 minutes he spent pleading with the official that it was not his fault.

He doesn't think while playing. He has amazing instincts and it makes him a great defender but since he is a goon his instincts are to do stuff like that as well. He doesn't even have the ability to recognize what he did is wrong as you said with the official and another example being the brawl where he asked jackson if they were going to be in trouble. He just blacks out when he plays, it works well and sometimes not so well.

Note when he had time to think (twitter reply) he was really sorry and understanding of his actions but when they asked him straight up after the game he said its unfortunate that he got hit with an elbow.. like wtf. I mean maybe he had time to think of what to say in the locker room but I think he was just watching the gmae.

/armchair psychologist

[maybeshewill13]

He doesn't think while playing. He has amazing instincts and it makes him a great defender but since he is a goon his instincts are to do stuff like that as well. He doesn't even have the ability to recognize what he did is wrong as you said with the official and another example being the brawl where he asked jackson if they were going to be in trouble. He just blacks out when he plays, it works well and sometimes not so well.

Note when he had time to think (twitter reply) he was really sorry and understanding of his actions but when they asked him straight up after the game he said its unfortunate that he got hit with an elbow.. like wtf.

/armchair psychologist

What's scary is he didn't even acknowledge what he did after. He just kept running without even looking back.

[The Macho Man]

Think it will be the first 2 games of the playoffs. But when he comes back will he be playing as well as he has lately? He's at his best when he's playing at high intensity, if he throttles that back he becomes a pretty useless player shooting bricks from the corner.

[DuMa]

this will be a rare kind of suspension and extremely bad timing. i dont think i have ever seen the NBA hand out suspensions this close to the regular season ending and playoffs beginning. but if there was one guy to set the precedent, who else should it be besides crazy ron ron artest?

[BlueandGold]

TBH, that sounds about right to me. I'd say the exact same thing if it was Durant or anyone else in the league. I wouldn't be surprised if it got more (or less) from the NBA though.. I honestly don't know which way they'll go.

As someone who's been on the end of dirty play a couple of times in my sporting life, I really feel like the players of the NBA would be pretty pissed off if the NBA let these kind of things go lightly..

What dirty plays were you involved in? I mean there are more serious things that happened within the flow of a game then what could have happened on that play. I got kicked in the shins (without shin guards, by a varsity striker) and was down for a whole 5 minutes when i was playing a game of pick-up soccer in the 9th grade, i got elbowed from a runningback (well, he was running with a football) going with a full head of steam in the neck also from playing a pickup football game in the 9th grade and couldn't breathe for a couple of seconds. These were just casual pickup games, most of the injuries i picked up playing varisty and JV sports were either muscle sprains or mild bruising from the contact that i took.

I'm sure its much different in the pros since imagine what someone could do with a superbly conditioned adult male body but that gives you an idea of where the vast majority of injuries come from in all sports.

[maybeshewill13]

What dirty plays were you involved in? I mean there are more serious things that happened within the flow of a game then what could have happened on that play. I got kicked in the shins (without shin guards, by a varsity striker) and was down for a whole 5 minutes when i was playing a game of pick-up soccer in the 9th grade, i got elbowed from a runningback (well, he was running with a football) going with a full head of steam in the neck also from playing a pickup football game in the 9th grade and couldn't breathe for a couple of seconds. These were just casual pickup games, most of the injuries i picked up playing varisty and JV sports were either muscle sprains or mild bruising from the contact that i took.


Pretty similar to this, doesn't feel nice. There just should be no room for any kind of contact like this in sports, and it needs to be made example of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRz_UY4-Q8U

[ntmoney]

5 games max. I don't believe it was on purpose but it was just a freak incident. He needs to learn how to control his emotions. Like Beto Duran said "If Metta woulda just kissed biceps..."

[PTstyle272]

If it was anybody but the Lakers he'd be suspended the rest of the year.

[Big#50]

Banned for life. That's a very dangerous place to get elbowed. Sucks because he is my favorite Laker.

[BlueandGold]

He doesn't think while playing. He has amazing instincts and it makes him a great defender but since he is a goon his instincts are to do stuff like that as well. He doesn't even have the ability to recognize what he did is wrong as you said with the official and another example being the brawl where he asked jackson if they were going to be in trouble. He just blacks out when he plays, it works well and sometimes not so well.

Note when he had time to think (twitter reply) he was really sorry and understanding of his actions but when they asked him straight up after the game he said its unfortunate that he got hit with an elbow.. like wtf. I mean maybe he had time to think of what to say in the locker room but I think he was just watching the gmae.

/armchair psychologist
Come on, goon instincts?

Every potential perimeter DPOY if not hall of famer has to have "goon instincts" to be able to survive in the game. "Goon instincts" are what allows great centers and forwards to box out and collect rebounding titles or average double digit rebounding numbers a game. How do you think hall of fame careers are built? Look at Jordan's push off of Russell (the most famous and iconic example), Miller's 6-point play should have essentially been 3 points an then an offensive foul on starks. Watch any old Jordan highlight, he was essentially mugged anytime he got near the paint in the 80s and early 90s. And these are only guards we're talking about.

Any decent player has to know that there is a ton of contact that either happens too fast or just doesnt look dramatic enough to get a foul call. This is the majority of the contact of the game we're talking about.

What do you think is the difference between a charge or a defensive foul? "lowering the shoulder", how hard is that to catch especially when the natural motion of the drive is to get lower to the ground (thus naturally lowering your shoulder) so that you have better ball control. How often do you think moving screens don't get called in the NBA? Or a proper boxout that gets called as an offensive/defensive interfering call?

[BlackVVaves]

Regardless of the length of suspension, which will be deserved, maybe Harden will stop being the pest that he strives to be for his team. Every team has one, but when you bark up the wrong tree, you find more than cherries and leaves. If he didn't get all up in Artest's face as he was celebrating//walking away, that ****ery would have never happened.

All you 15 year olds that are crying, that's how shit was for 3 and a half decades. The Hardens and Ginoblis of the world would have been chewed up and tossed aside in earlier eras for the flopping and agitating nonsense they perpetuate on the court.

By no means is what Artest did right. Nor should it be tolerated in this new, watered down, baby-boy league. But, message to Harden and all the other players that make a living out of being the annoying itch under everyone's skin during games: there's still some real mother****ers in the league, so when you get scratched by one of them, don't be surprised if you're seeing bright lights and moving objects for a while. That just means you just got KNOCKED THE **** OUT.

[DonDadda59]

I would assume the NBA will give him at least 5 games and a heavy fine, wouldn't be surprised if he got up to 10.

[RazorBaLade]

Come on, goon instincts?

Every potential perimeter DPOY if not hall of famer has to have "goon instincts" to be able to survive in the game. "Goon instincts" are what allows great centers and forwards to box out and collect rebounding titles or average double digit rebounding numbers a game. How do you think hall of fame careers are built? Look at Jordan's push off of Russell (the most famous and iconic example), Miller's 6-point play should have essentially been 3 points an then an offensive foul on starks. Watch any old Jordan highlight, he was essentially mugged anytime he got near the paint in the 80s and early 90s. And these are only guards we're talking about.

Any decent player has to know that there is a ton of contact that either happens too fast or just doesnt look dramatic enough to get a foul call. This is the majority of the contact of the game we're talking about.

What do you think is the difference between a charge or a defensive foul? "lowering the shoulder", how hard is that to catch especially when the natural motion of the drive is to get lower to the ground (thus naturally lowering your shoulder) so that you have better ball control. How often do you think moving screens don't get called in the NBA? Or a proper boxout that gets called as an offensive/defensive interfering call?

I think the difference between the plays you describe such as miller and jordan and what ron artest does... They do it to score. They do it to benefit THEMSELVES. CP3 doesn't flop because he likes laying on the ground, he wants to benefit himself.

metta does not play physical to benefit himself. He doesn't get any benefit from being the scary insane guy who punched a fan or who elbowed a guy in the neck celebrating a dunk in the 2nd quarter. He doesn't do it with any intentions to make something easier for himself, like how Kobe might throw an elbow in someones mid section to free him up.. Ron IMO , when he does lose control of himself, he does it simply because he does it with no plan to gain anything.

I'm no expert though and I like metta a lot so really I'm just playing the devils advocate here.. but I dunno, it was bad. The more slow motion you watch that replay, the worse it is.

[jdm_dc_fan]

Yea but why would he do this knowing every physical play that he commits is going to be closely scrutinized by the NBA and its community? He did seem pretty sad that it even happened after the play, after the 5 minutes he spent pleading with the official that it was not his fault.
MWP was sad after it happened? More like he was sad he got caught. The funny thing about this situation is that in mwp's head, he thinks it looked like an accident. And I see some posters on here still doubtful whether it was on purpose.:facepalm

[BlueandGold]

I think the difference between the plays you describe such as miller and jordan and what ron artest does... They do it to score. They do it to benefit THEMSELVES. CP3 doesn't flop because he likes laying on the ground, he wants to benefit himself.

metta does not play physical to benefit himself. He doesn't get any benefit from being the scary insane guy who punched a fan or who elbowed a guy in the neck celebrating a dunk in the 2nd quarter. He doesn't do it with any intentions to make something easier for himself, like how Kobe might throw an elbow in someones mid section to free him up.. Ron IMO , when he does lose control of himself, he does it simply because he does it with no plan to gain anything.

I'm no expert though and I like metta a lot so really I'm just playing the devils advocate here.. but I dunno, it was bad. The more slow motion you watch that replay, the worse it is.
You really believe that though? If that were true that would be saying a lot about his character. I vehemently don't agree with that statement. Also even if what you say is true don't you think having that type of physical presence would dramatically affect a game? i'm sure we can all agree that the physical presence is in fact a crucial element of the game. How else do you think teams can defend the paint or just defend in general? You have to know there are consecutive for driving in the paint or trying to cut while there is a screener.

[BlueandGold]

I think the difference between the plays you describe such as miller and jordan and what ron artest does... They do it to score. They do it to benefit THEMSELVES. CP3 doesn't flop because he likes laying on the ground, he wants to benefit himself.

metta does not play physical to benefit himself. He doesn't get any benefit from being the scary insane guy who punched a fan or who elbowed a guy in the neck celebrating a dunk in the 2nd quarter. He doesn't do it with any intentions to make something easier for himself, like how Kobe might throw an elbow in someones mid section to free him up.. Ron IMO , when he does lose control of himself, he does it simply because he does it with no plan to gain anything.

I'm no expert though and I like metta a lot so really I'm just playing the devils advocate here.. but I dunno, it was bad. The more slow motion you watch that replay, the worse it is.
You really believe that though? If that were true that would be saying a lot about his character. I vehemently don't agree with that statement. Also even if what you say is true don't you think having that type of physical presence would dramatically affect a game? i'm sure we can all agree that the physical presence is in fact a crucial element of the game. How else do you think teams can defend the paint or just defend in general? You have to know there are consecutive for driving in the paint or trying to cut while there is a screener.


Regardless of the length of suspension, which will be deserved, maybe Harden will stop being the pest that he strives to be for his team. Every team has one, but when you bark up the wrong tree, you find more than cherries and leaves. If he didn't get all up in Artest's face as he was celebrating//walking away, that ****ery would have never happened.

All you 15 year olds that are crying, that's how shit was for 3 and a half decades. The Hardens and Ginoblis of the world would have been chewed up and tossed aside in earlier eras for the flopping and agitating nonsense they perpetuate on the court.

By no means is what Artest did right. Nor should it be tolerated in this new, watered down, baby-boy league. But, message to Harden and all the other players that make a living out of being the annoying itch under everyone's skin during games: there's still some real mother****ers in the league, so when you get scratched by one of them, don't be surprised if you're seeing bright lights and moving objects for a while. That just means you just got KNOCKED THE **** OUT.

lol this is what i wanted to say, but could already see the :cry: :wtf: coming from a mile away.

[Sekman]

You can't blame Metta World Peace for the past actions of Ron Artest.

:roll: :roll:

[Grey Dawn]

A lot. This isn't getting 2-3.. it will be much more.

This.

And why?

A) It was no accident, part of the celebration, or anything else incidental, we all know Artest is crazy and can snap, and when you see him bump into Harden you see the angry snapping look on his face and then he takes a full purposeful wind up swinging elbow directly to the back of Harden's head with a full follow-through. He did it because of emotion yes, but what he did in that moment of snapping was fully intentional. The NBA is strict on any purposeful headshots, and on top of that
B) This is Ron Artest

[RazorBaLade]

You really believe that though? If that were true that would be saying a lot about his character. I vehemently don't agree with that statement. Also even if what you say is true don't you think having that type of physical presence would dramatically affect a game? i'm sure we can all agree that the physical presence is in fact a crucial element of the game. How else do you think teams can defend the paint or just defend in general? You have to know there are consecutive for driving in the paint or trying to cut while there is a screener.

This is perhaps where my argument falls apart, but I think it does not say a lot about his character OVERALL at all. I am sticking with my guns of his INSTINCTS being really shitty as a person.. but I think hes a wonderful person when he is in the right mind to think and comprehend the situation. Its like if a persons decisions could be rated out of 10, I think artest makes the right, nice human being one at say a 7/10 rate. Very good person. But if hes not in the right mindset, I think hes going to make a very poor, a very bad person decision.

Like if you gave yourself 10 seconds to decide and then 2 seconds. Would your opinion drastically change on any given physical confrontational situation? I don't think so. I think you'd make a good decision within 10 seconds, as well as 2 seconds, and I believe ron would be a good person with 10 seconds to decide as well. But he falls apart when its 2 and 1 and split second decisions.

Yeah I agree that he has a physical presence but I mean, does anyone really get shaken up at that? Every team has those kind of guys. If perkins was on the floor and where ibaka was, that could have been a lot worse than it was. I don't really believe people think , oh man, i dont want to drive the ball right now because ron might tackle me.

[Grey Dawn]

Your wording it unfairly there.. the only conclusive thing you could say from watching the replay is that he might have extended his elbow too far back, and from the adrenaline from the impressive play he just executed and within the context of the game it could be argued as to whether the play was intentional or not.



You obviously haven't watched the replay. It's obviously a purposeful full swipe in reaction to bumping into someone and in no way part of the celebration.

[magic14]

How much does the NBA take into account if the elbow hit or not? Because Shaq's missed punch on Brad Miller would have been a lot worse and he only got 3 games.

[BlueandGold]

You obviously haven't watched the replay. It's obviously a purposeful full swipe in reaction to bumping into someone and in no way part of the celebration.
I have, I stated in my OP i did so right before i posted and also stated why it could be called in either direction.



This is perhaps where my argument falls apart, but I think it does not say a lot about his character OVERALL at all. I am sticking with my guns of his INSTINCTS being really shitty as a person.. but I think hes a wonderful person when he is in the right mind to think and comprehend the situation. Its like if a persons decisions could be rated out of 10, I think artest makes the right, nice human being one at say a 7/10 rate. Very good person. But if hes not in the right mindset, I think hes going to make a very poor, a very bad person decision.

Like if you gave yourself 10 seconds to decide and then 2 seconds. Would your opinion drastically change on any given physical confrontational situation? I don't think so. I think you'd make a good decision within 10 seconds, as well as 2 seconds, and I believe ron would be a good person with 10 seconds to decide as well. But he falls apart when its 2 and 1 and split second decisions.

Yeah I agree that he has a physical presence but I mean, does anyone really get shaken up at that? Every team has those kind of guys. If perkins was on the floor and where ibaka was, that could have been a lot worse than it was. I don't really believe people think , oh man, i dont want to drive the ball right now because ron might tackle me.

Appreciate you actually admitting a possible fallacy rather than doing what a lot of other posters (trolls/blind stans) do: don't respond or change topic, i guess that's how you tell the real posters from the stans/trolls. As far as the other part i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I've already stated why I think otherwise.

[dajadeed]

Regardless of the length of suspension, which will be deserved, maybe Harden will stop being the pest that he strives to be for his team. Every team has one, but when you bark up the wrong tree, you find more than cherries and leaves. If he didn't get all up in Artest's face as he was celebrating//walking away, that ****ery would have never happened.

All you 15 year olds that are crying, that's how shit was for 3 and a half decades. The Hardens and Ginoblis of the world would have been chewed up and tossed aside in earlier eras for the flopping and agitating nonsense they perpetuate on the court.

By no means is what Artest did right. Nor should it be tolerated in this new, watered down, baby-boy league. But, message to Harden and all the other players that make a living out of being the annoying itch under everyone's skin during games: there's still some real mother****ers in the league, so when you get scratched by one of them, don't be surprised if you're seeing bright lights and moving objects for a while. That just means you just got KNOCKED THE **** OUT.


:applause:

Metta is crazy. Harden finally got that memo tonight.

Artest deserves whatever suspension the league dishes out, but Harden was taught an expensive lesson (for both he and Metta) on staying in your lane. It is what it is.

[Haymaker]

How much does the NBA take into account if the elbow hit or not? Because Shaq's missed punch on Brad Miller would have been a lot worse and he only got 3 games. Even back then, the NBA wasn't as strict as it is today. And it was only a couple of years ago.

[joe]

At least the entire playoffs, if not banned for a year. Or two.

"In the 80's this would have been a regular foul.."

This isn't the 80's. Should engineers still follow the same procedures as they did in the 80's? Should pregnant woman smoke a pack of cigarettes a day like they did in the 20's? We know more about the brain and concussions today, so our behavior should adjust accordingly.

"In football and MMA, guys take these hits all the time.."

In football and MMA, violence is expected. In basketball, physicality is expected. I would love a return to 80's level physicality, but forcibly elbowing an unsuspecting player in the head is not physicality. It is assault. You don't step on the court expecting that. It doesn't belong in the game.

Knocking guards down when they drive the lane. Bumping ball handlers up and down the court. Giving a hard foul to a showboating opponent. Pushing and shoving and fighting even, as long as it's face to face and warranted. Those are the oldschool elements missing from today's game. Savage elbows to the side of the head, when a guy isn't even looking and has done nothing to you, is not in the same stratosphere.

[Haymaker]

How much does the NBA take into account if the elbow hit or not? Because Shaq's missed punch on Brad Miller would have been a lot worse and he only got 3 games. On a lighter note, I re-watched the video of Shaq's swing, and it was-guess who-Ron Artest the one who restrained Shaq. :oldlol:

[BlueandGold]

At least the entire playoffs, if not banned for a year. Or two.

"In the 80's this would have been a regular foul.."

This isn't the 80's. Should engineers still follow the same procedures as they did in the 80's? Should pregnant woman smoke a pack of cigarettes a day like they did in the 20's? We know more about the brain and concussions today, so our behavior should adjust accordingly.

"In football and MMA, guys take these hits all the time.."

In football and MMA, violence is expected. In basketball, physicality is expected. I would love a return to 80's level physicality, but forcibly elbowing an unsuspecting player in the head is not physicality. It is assault. You don't step on the court expecting that. It doesn't belong in the game.

Knocking guards down when they drive the lane. Bumping ball handlers up and down the court. Giving a hard foul to a showboating opponent. Those are the elements missing from today's game. Savage elbows to the side of the head are not in the same stratosphere.

Great points, and I definitely understand and appreciate that aspect of progression of the game. I know how many of us can be overly nostalgic and reminiscent about the past which is why I never brought up this aspect of the game in my arguments that i laid out for why the hit is arguable (remember, malicious intent has to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt), especially when compared to the Bynum on barea clothline last year.

[IamRAMBO24]

Once a thug, always a thug. There is no hope.

Metta WORLD PEACE? Yea right, more like Metta World War. This guy is a loser; if he wasn't play ball, he would probably be in prison shanking somebody.

As much as I dislike this thug, I can understand why he felt the need to elbow James Harden; I would too just for that stupid ass haircut, but Ronnie prob did it to send a message to the best Western Conference team.

Smart move on his part. The Lakers are setting a precedent of coming in the playoffs hard and physical.

Should be interesting.

Foul = Good for Lakers. Bad for everybody else, and especially Metta World War.

[RazorBaLade]

Once a thug, always a thug. There is no hope.

Metta WORLD PEACE? Yea right, more like Metta World War. This guy is a loser; if he wasn't play ball, he would probably be in prison shanking somebody.

As much as I dislike this thug, I can understand why he felt the need to elbow James Harden; I would too just for that stupid ass haircut, but Ronnie prob did it to send a message to the best Western Conference team.

Smart move on his part. The Lakers are setting a precedent of coming in the playoffs hard and physical.

Should be interesting.

Foul = Good for Lakers. Bad for everybody else, and especially Metta World War.

look at those melons

its like she has 3 heads

[maybeshewill13]

Once a thug, always a thug. There is no hope.

Metta WORLD PEACE? Yea right, more like Metta World War. This guy is a loser; if he wasn't play ball, he would probably be in prison shanking somebody.

As much as I dislike this thug, I can understand why he felt the need to elbow James Harden; I would too just for that stupid ass haircut, but Ronnie prob did it to send a message to the best Western Conference team.

Smart move on his part. The Lakers are setting a precedent of coming in the playoffs hard and physical.

Should be interesting.

Foul = Good for Lakers. Bad for everybody else, and especially Metta World War.

Yeah great for the Lakers! Not like Ron had been plying great of late and is an important part of their defense :oldlol:

[RazorBaLade]

for everyone

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/random-gari-today-41.jpg?w=500&h=666

[LakersReign]

I just love it how whenever there's an issue like this, involving a Laker player, all the haters bring their "moral barometers" out that. That they don't seem to want to bring out when incidents like this involve other teams and players. 99% of the people calling for Metta's head on a plate, are only doing so in hopes of seeing the Lakers make a first round exit from the playoffs. It has nothing to do with the incident, Harden's well being, or the game as a whole. It's based on nothing other than their pathetic Laker hatred. But of course, they're not adult enough to admit it, so they try to sham it off with their fake outrage:facepalm

[Eric Cartman]

3 games. Previous run ins with this kind of incident may trigger a larger suspension. But just for this incident that's the way it should go.

[bdreason]

At least 10 games given his history. Are people forgetting the Ron Artest is the only player in the history of the league to be banned for an entire season?!?


My guess is Stern suspends him for the rest of this season, and maybe even part of next season. A Hockey player just got a 25 game suspension for a semi-legal cross-check... and this was worse.

[BlackVVaves]

At least the entire playoffs, if not banned for a year. Or two.

"In the 80's this would have been a regular foul.."

This isn't the 80's. Should engineers still follow the same procedures as they did in the 80's? Should pregnant woman smoke a pack of cigarettes a day like they did in the 20's? We know more about the brain and concussions today, so our behavior should adjust accordingly.

"In football and MMA, guys take these hits all the time.."

In football and MMA, violence is expected. In basketball, physicality is expected. I would love a return to 80's level physicality, but forcibly elbowing an unsuspecting player in the head is not physicality. It is assault. You don't step on the court expecting that. It doesn't belong in the game.

Knocking guards down when they drive the lane. Bumping ball handlers up and down the court. Giving a hard foul to a showboating opponent. Pushing and shoving and fighting even, as long as it's face to face and warranted. Those are the oldschool elements missing from today's game. Savage elbows to the side of the head, when a guy isn't even looking and has done nothing to you, is not in the same stratosphere.

Stopped reading after that ****boy nonsense.

[bdreason]

3 games. Previous run ins with this kind of incident may trigger a larger suspension. But just for this incident that's the way it should go.


Bynum got 5 games for his elbow to JJ Barea's chest...


Artest has already been suspended for an entire season, and you think Stern will give him less than 5 games?

[joe]

Great points, and I definitely understand and appreciate that aspect of progression of the game. I know how many of us can be overly nostalgic and reminiscent about the past which is why I never brought up this aspect of the game in my arguments that i laid out for why the hit is arguable (remember, malicious intent has to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt), especially when compared to the Bynum on barea clothline last year.

Whoa a nice/cool poster in the nba forum. :-O

Thx, but I don't think it's arguable whether it was intentional. If it was an accident, his immediate reaction should have been like "omg, I'm so sorry, I didn't even SEE YOU!" But he just kept moving along.

I don't mind the nostalgia because I think you oldschool guys are right most of the time. Well, except about the old school players being better, I think we got you there ;-). I want the game to be more physical too, I just don't see what Metta did as "physical." Do you think back in the good old days, it was common or even acceptable for a guy to **** back his elbow, and then slam it into the back/side of someones head? Who wasn't even looking and hadn't provoked him in any way, other than maybe standing in his path while trying to receive the inbound pass?

(The bleeped word rhymes with mock, and is both something you do with a gun and slang for the male genitalia)

[BallsOut]

Bynum got 5 games for his elbow to JJ Barea's chest...


Artest has already been suspended for an entire season, and you think Stern will give him less than 5 games?

Why shoulda Metta World Peace be held accountable for Ron Artest's actions..They aren't the same person.

[B-Easy8]

I think if you dunk in someone's face you should have a 5 second window where you can do anything you want.

[joe]

Stopped reading after that ****boy nonsense.

You stopped reading after 4th grade stop playin yourself

[Flagrant 2]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/LakerFanIam/ArtestHarden.jpg

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

At least 10 games given his history. Are people forgetting the Ron Artest is the only player in the history of the league to be banned for an entire season?!?


My guess is Stern suspends him for the rest of this season, and maybe even part of next season. A Hockey player just got a 25 game suspension for a semi-legal cross-check... and this was worse.

lol u mad lakers took ur pacific division title??? which you fools played for this year? and will get bounced off in 1st round playoffs against Grizzles?

fcuking retard...want to suspend Artest for an elbow smack

[Nevaeh]

I just love it how whenever there's an issue like this, involving a Laker player, all the haters bring their "moral barometers" out that. That they don't seem to want to bring out when incidents like this involve other teams and players. 99% of the people calling for Metta's head on a plate, are only doing so in hopes of seeing the Lakers make a first round exit from the playoffs. It has nothing to do with the incident, Harden's well being, or the game as a whole. It's based on nothing other than their pathetic Laker hatred. But of course, they're not adult enough to admit it, so they try to sham it off with their fake outrage:facepalm

Dude, shut the f@ck up. The thread starter posed a question based on what happened. Peeps are giving answers based on both Ron's reputation, and his past involvement in altercations with both players and Fans. He threw that elbow well after the play was over. Harden wasn't even confronting him, but was talking to the ref when Metta made his "move" with the elbow.

"Haters" didn't start this Thread. A Laker Fan did. I haven't seen you giving much care about Harden's well being either, now that you've mentioned it. Your only concern is how you think your team is perceived by "haters" it seems.

[IamRAMBO24]

Dude, shut the f@ck up. The thread starter posed a question based on what happened. Peeps are giving answers based on both Ron's reputation, and his past involvement in altercations with both players and Fans. He threw that elbow well after the play was over. Harden wasn't even confronting him, but was talking to the ref when Metta made his "move" with the elbow.

"Haters" didn't start this Thread. A Laker Fan did. I haven't seen you giving much care about Harden's well being either, now that you've mentioned it. Your only concern is how you think your team is perceived by "haters" it seems.

Haha nice calling out LakersFeign. I like how he acts all holier than thou about how nobody cared for Harden when I bet he was one of those over zealous crazy Lakers nutcases clapping and cheering when a perfectly healthy human being goes down with a life threatening concussion.

Yup, Lakers fans have once again proven they have absolutely no class.

[asu77golf]

I just love it how whenever there's an issue like this, involving a Laker player, all the haters bring their "moral barometers" out that. That they don't seem to want to bring out when incidents like this involve other teams and players. 99% of the people calling for Metta's head on a plate, are only doing so in hopes of seeing the Lakers make a first round exit from the playoffs. It has nothing to do with the incident, Harden's well being, or the game as a whole. It's based on nothing other than their pathetic Laker hatred. But of course, they're not adult enough to admit it, so they try to sham it off with their fake outrage:facepalm

What you suffer from is commonly known as Persecutory delusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutory_delusion

Persecutory delusions are a delusional condition in which the affected person believes they are being persecuted. Specifically, they have been defined as containing two central elements:[1]
The individual thinks that harm is occurring, or is going to occur.
The individual thinks that the persecutor has the intention to cause harm.
According to the DSM-IV-TR, persecutory delusions are the most common form of delusions in schizophrenia, where the person believes "he or she is being tormented, followed, tricked, spied on, or ridiculed."[2] In the DSM-IV-TR, persecutory delusions are the main feature of the persecutory type of delusional disorder. When the focus is to remedy some injustice by legal action, they are sometimes called "querulous paranoia".[3]
In cases where reporters of stalking behavior have been judged to be making false reports, a majority of them were judged (by the same people) to be delusional.[4][5]
If the delusion results in imprisonment or involuntary commitment, the person may feel justified in their belief.

[LakersReign]

Post a wall of text, with stuff you pulled off Google, and don't really understand. Which have absolutely nothing to do with anything, since it's really all misdirection on your part to try and cover up the FACT that you CLEARLY have no real point here and nothing of any real importance to say:sleeping

[Clutch]

Bynum got 5 games for elbowing a SMALLER JJ Barea while he was IN THE AIR. That looked 100% intentional. This is different, because you could say that maybe Artest wasn't trying to hit him.

He at least would probably get one game, if not 2 or 3. :confusedshrug:
Yeah because everyone is throwing full power elbows at air. :lol

Ban him at least for the 1st round of the playoffs.

[asu77golf]

Post walls of text, with stuff you pulled off Google, and don't understand. Which have absolutely nothing to do with anything, since it's really all misdirection on your part to try and cover up the FACT that you CLEARLY have no real point here and nothing of any real importance to say:sleeping



Nice try:applause:

Just a shot over the bow really, I'm messing around more than anything.

[LakersReign]

Thanks for proving my point that you clearly had no real point here and nothing better to do.:applause:


OOPS!!!!:facepalm

[asu77golf]

Thanks for proving my point that you clearly had no real point here and nothing better to do.:applause:


OOPS!!!!:facepalm

You're quite serious aren't you

[LakersReign]

(yawn):sleeping

[miggyme1]

mane david stern has to make an example.7 game suspension effective at the start of the playoffs and at least a 50,000 fine.dats only fair.when u have a track record as long as artests u have to do everything in your power to stay clear from controversy and i everytime i look around he always doing something he know is wrong.david stern has to make an example.he made an example earlier this season by vetoing the cp3 trade to the lakers and i feel like he should now.its not bout punishing the lakers because i feel like they can beat the mavs without artest in a 7 game series but by suspending him 7 games lets say the lakers sweep the mavs thats only four games so he will have to miss 3 in the second round and i believe the lakers will need his services in the second round cuz they will either be facing the spurs or okc.

[qrich]

(yawn):sleeping

So, do you think he should be suspended and if so, how many games?

[alenleomessi]

Ban him for life

[IamRAMBO24]

Yeah great for the Lakers! Not like Ron had been plying great of late and is an important part of their defense :oldlol:

Tsk Tsk. Great for the Lakers because they are sending a message to the league they're ready to rough it up for that ring.

I hate the Lakers, but this is a scary thought if they are going to be the next Bad Boy Piston. The only remote chance I give them to win it all is if they are going to bleed throwing elbows to punk any team they come across.

They are more talented than the original Bad Boys and if they can go gangsta this hard in the playoffs, they will be a hard team to beat.

Again, good for the Lakers even if they lose Artest for a few games. If they are setting a precedent for how things are gonna be from here on out, they are setting themselves up for the ONLY CHANCE of winning a title this year.

[LakersReign]

So, do you think he should be suspended and if so, how many games?


I never once condoned the hit, nor ever once said he shouldn't be suspended for it. My whole thing about it is, don't get all 'self righteous" about it, acting like you care about Harden, or care about how players conduct themselves during games. When your whole motivation here is to see Metta get suspended simply cuz his absence makes the Lakers vulnerable in the playoffs. If that's what it is, then be man enough to say it straight up. Pretending to be anything less just makes you look foolish and immature.

That being said, Metta let his emotions get the best of him and did something dumb. He's a veteran and should know better. It's hard to know for sure, but I venture to guess about 5-10 games into the playoffs and some games next season.

[ScarSymmetry]

One of the most gutless acts I've ever seen in the NBA.

He doesn't deserve to play again this season.

:durantunimpressed:

[LakersReign]

Haha nice calling out LakersFeign. I like how he acts all holier than thou about how nobody cared for Harden when I bet he was one of those over zealous crazy Lakers nutcases clapping and cheering when a perfectly healthy human being goes down with a life threatening concussion.

Yup, Lakers fans have once again proven they have absolutely no class.


I never once condoned the hit, nor ever once said he shouldn't be suspended for it. My whole thing about it is, don't get all 'self righteous" about it, acting like you care about Harden, or care about how players conduct themselves during games. When your whole motivation here is to see Metta get suspended simply cuz his absence makes the Lakers vulnerable in the playoffs. If that's what it is, then be man enough to say it straight up. Pretending to be anything less just makes you look foolish and immature.

That being said, Metta let his emotions get the best of him and did something dumb. He's a veteran and should know better. It's hard to know for sure, but I venture to guess about 5-10 games into the playoffs and some games next season. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=260615&page=7

So....according to you(iamrambo), even though it has absolutely nothing to do with me. I'm supposedly "crazy" based ONLY on some hot garbage you(rambo) MADE UP in your head?

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx150/cousin_e/OHDAMNLOL.gif

[DMV2]

Entire 1st Round for the minimum.
Entire playoffs for the maximum.

[N0Skillz]

Minimum : No Games
Maximum : 1 Game

[qrich]

I never once condoned the hit, nor ever once said he shouldn't be suspended for it. My whole thing about it is, don't get all 'self righteous" about it, acting like you care about Harden, or care about how players conduct themselves during games. When your whole motivation here is to see Metta get suspended simply cuz his absence makes the Lakers vulnerable in the playoffs. If that's what it is, then be man enough to say it straight up. Pretending to be anything less just makes you look foolish and immature.

That being said, Metta let his emotions get the best of him and did something dumb. He's a veteran and should know better. It's hard to know for sure, but I venture to guess about 5-10 games into the playoffs and some games next season.

Wasn't implying that you condoned it nor anything, was just curious on how many games you think he should get. Fair assessment and around what I'm thinking/expecting (think he deserves 3-5, but expecting the NBA to give him 7 to a dozen). :cheers:

[tmacman]

The first 2 rounds, and rightfully so. Weird Peace can't control his emotions. :cry:

[IamRAMBO24]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=260615&page=7

OOPS!!!!:facepalm

Ok so what does that prove?

You're only stating the obvious after you Laker's tard clapped and cheered over a violent vicious attack on an unsuspecting victim who (I wouldn't be surprise) was merely showing a bit of sportsmanship by walking over to MWP to congratulate him for that nice dunk.

Nowhere did you express concern for Hardin, his family, nor for OKC and the city when you lambasted "Laker's haters" for not caring about him.

Who made you Mr. Conductor? Your attack on the criticism is just another pathetic attempt at protecting your blind loyal bias for all things Lakers.

If it's anything, I bet you have that on repeat and in slo mo just so you can jerk off to it.

[Tmuston Beltics]

1-2



















seasons

[LakersReign]

Ok so what does that prove?

You're only stating the obvious after you Laker's tard clapped and cheered over a violent vicious attack on an unsuspecting victim who (I wouldn't be surprise) was merely showing a bit of sportsmanship by walking over to MWP to congratulate him for that nice dunk.

Nowhere did you express concern for Hardin, his family, nor for OKC and the city when you lambasted "Laker's haters" for not caring about him.

Who made you Mr. Conductor? Your attack on the criticism is just another pathetic attempt at protecting your blind loyal bias for all things Lakers.

If it's anything, I bet you have that on repeat and in slo mo just so you can jerk off to it.

It proves that you're(rambo) CLEARLY making sh*t up just to have something to say. Since you(rambo) CAN'T AND WON'T find any links to back up anything you've said.:sleeping



Nice try:applause:

[Jasi]

I perfectly agree with joe on this subject.

1) People thinking it was unintentional are either naive or Laker homers. Artest's whole body language both DURING and AFTER the contact show it wasn't.

2) Harden surely provoked him. I think Harden's intention was to get a technical called on MWP but it turned out differently.
But the '80s nostalgia... has nothing to do with this. This is a cheap shot, not physical play. There is a difference between fouling hard and elbowing a guy behind his ear with that violence.
He could have pushed him away and confronted him, even grabbed his neck... that would have been very "80s"... Not going past him and then elbowing him on the back of his head.


3) I think Artest's not going to play an NBA game until fall 2012 at least.

[eurobum]

He's a veteran and should know better. It's hard to know for sure, but I venture to guess about 5-10 games into the playoffs and some games next season.

firstly, i'll just say what seems to be the consensus is way too lenient. anything less than ten games is a joke for that assault.

i'm neither a laker/thunder/artest/harden hater/lover. i'm pretty much unbiased on this one.

secondly, to address your quote above: you honestly think it's plausible that he be allowed to serve part of his suspension now and the rest come the '12 - '13 season? i doubt that. can you seriously picture stern going, "let's make him serve half his punishment now, the rest later .. u'know, with it being the playoffs and all lol amirite better for ratings!" *smokes cuban cigar while highfiving adam silver*

[LakersReign]

firstly, i'll just say what seems to be the consensus is way too lenient. anything less than ten games is a joke for that assault.

i'm neither a laker/thunder/artest/harden hater/lover. i'm pretty much unbiased on this one.

secondly, to address your quote above: you honestly think it's plausible that he be allowed to serve part of his suspension now and the rest come the '12 - '13 season? i doubt that. can you seriously picture stern going, "let's make him serve half his punishment now, the rest later .. u'know, with it being the playoffs and all lol amirite better for ratings!" *smokes cuban cigar while highfiving adam silver*

What are you talking about? I only said that cuz that's what they did to Bynum last year for the hard foul on Barrea.:facepalm

[Bond007]

5 games and a $50k fine

[tmacman]

What are you talking about? I only said that cuz that's what they did to Bynum last year for the hard foul on Barrea.:facepalm
What? He couldn't serve any suspension time during the playoffs because they got swept and was their last game. :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

What? He couldn't serve any suspension time during the playoffs because they got swept and was their last game. :oldlol:


So...you're saying the NBA only waited til they got swept to make a decision on a suspension?:no:

[eurobum]

What are you talking about? I only said that cuz that's what they did to Bynum last year for the hard foul on Barrea.:facepalm

they seriously did that? then my bad for being misinformed, but shame on stern. that's some beau-shiiit.

[IamRAMBO24]

It proves that you're(rambo) CLEARLY making sh*t up just to have something to say. Since you(rambo) CAN'T AND WON'T find any links to back up anything you've said.:sleeping



Nice try:applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDCcLlelnDg&feature=related

The true colors of Laker's fans shown. Notice the cheering and celebration in the background.

[eurobum]

oh, but didn't the lakers get eliminated that's why the suspension extended to the following season? i seriously thought you meant "suspend him for x amount of games in the playoffs, then he can play again and serve the rest next season."

[tmacman]

So...you're saying the NBA only waited til they got swept to make a decision on a suspension?:no:
Edit: it happened in game 4. So idk what the **** you're talking about. :confusedshrug:

[LakersReign]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDCcLlelnDg&feature=related

The true colors of Laker's fans shown. Notice the cheering and celebration in the background.

And what does that prove?:confusedshrug:

NONE of that has anything to do with me. Please continue to further embarrass yourself, desperately grasping at straws to support something you(rambo) CLEARLY made up:sleeping

[Jasi]

they seriously did that? then my bad for being misinformed, but shame on stern. that's some beau-shiiit.

Not your bad.
Bynum's foul occurred in the last game (game 4) so the Lakers were already out of the playoffs when the suspension was issued in the first place.

[lakerspng]

3 games. last game of the season and the first two of the playoffs.

some accounting has to be given to the fact that Harden clearly instigated the confrontation. Artest was obviously amped and felt someone coming up to get in his way/grab him and used his elbow to clear/shed him. Just happened to connect hard on his head. Artest was not thinking I'm gonna deck this dude. he was just thinking "get the f away from me punk".

seriously I have to wonder WTF Harden is thinking in that situation. Of all the players to try and mess with and rile up, MWP is not the guy I'd pick. Bad decision, terrible result. It's like running into the street and blaming the car that couldn't stop and runs into you.

anymore than 3 games, considering the entire situation, is over the top.

[bagelred]

Elbowing:
Using an elbow in any way to foul an opponent.

http://www.njyhl.org/pages/hockey101/images/official_signals/elbowing.gif

5 minutes in the Penalty Box

[chains5000]

all season tbh, including playoffs.
Agreed.

[dude77]

I just saw the play for the first time .. didn't catch it happening during the game ..

unfkinreal .. this piece of shit should be thrown out for the rest of the season and 30 games next season at the least .. he could've killed the guy with that type of shot to the head .. this fggt will never fkin learn .. his behavior needs to never be seen on an nba court .. fkin disgusted

[blacknapalm]

I just saw the play for the first time .. didn't catch it happening during the game ..

unfkinreal .. this piece of shit should be thrown out for the rest of the season and 30 games next season at the least .. he could've killed the guy with that type of shot to the head .. this fggt will never fkin learn .. his behavior needs to never be seen on an nba court .. fkin disgusted

what should have happened to karl malone when he squared up and slammed the point of his elbow into isiah thomas' head, resulting in 40 stitches?

[dude77]

what should have happened to karl malone when he squared up and slammed the point of his elbow into isiah thomas' head, resulting in 40 stitches?

not sure if serious ? .. completely different incidents .. artest is a fkin punk and needs to be delt with .. if you get suspended for a season for pulling that shit in 04 and then repeat offend you need to be delt with harshly .. no room for this garbage in the nba .. none .. that type of full force elbow to the head can be fatal

[morbius]

MWP is a fcking gorilla. I say 7 games suspension + any number of games Harden should miss due to possible injury.

[albas89]

The first 2 rounds, and rightfully so. Weird Peace can't control his emotions. :cry:
This.

I still can't believe there are some people in here who are trying to excuse MWP and accuse Harden of flopping... if you guys got elbowed to the head like this by a man as strong as Artest, you would have probably passed out and wake up the other day! smh

[Pursuer]

When was the last time someone got more than a 5 game suspension?


EDIT. A few guys in the NYK-DEN brawl. What I wanted to get across is that for such a move no one has ever been suspended for more than 5 games. I don't get where do people get this stuff like 8-12 games, or two first rounds, when the NBA's never done it.

[brownmamba00]

If David West only got suspended 1 game for this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJTeUYUlGno&feature=youtube_gdata_player

4 games tops given his history

[Rolando]

That was violent and ugly.

Factors to consider:
1. This looked deliberate
2. This looked unprovoked
3. This was done to a key player on a team which the Lakers will most likely face in the playoffs
4. Ron Artest has a history of violence in the league.

Throw the book at him. He should be done for the year. The fukin guy is an animal.

[LA_Showtime]

Ok so I didn't personally watch the game.. been working all day (school work) and didn't have time to do anything until now but i was actually about to post a thread stating whether it was an intentional foul or not until i saw the replay of it on youtube.

It's still a little unclear on whether or not it was intentional because it did appear his anatomical range of motion was within the framework of his celebration but with super-slow replay and the proper close-up it does look a little sketchy on his part since his elbow did extend a little bit too far beyond his back, thus catching Harden.

Of course you could also argue that Artest couldn't really see harden because of the adrenaline of the spectacular dunk that he just finished but if you were a league official with that framework in mind how many game suspension should he get (if any) and why do you believe it should be x amount of games?

It doesn't matter if it was intentional, because that's generally not how the NBA hands out punishments. Had Harden got right up, Artest would probably be looking at a one or two game suspension at worst. Given what happened, I'm guessing he'll be out a minimum of five to eight games. His history, combined with a very dangerous play, almost forces the league's hand.

[LA_Showtime]

Given the NBA's new policy on concussions, I wouldn't be against holding Artest out until Harden is cleared to play. That would be an unprecedented move, though. Not sure if it'd work very well.

[Nevaeh]

what should have happened to karl malone when he squared up and slammed the point of his elbow into isiah thomas' head, resulting in 40 stitches?

He should suffer by getting his ass kicked 2 Finals in a row by the GOAT, for the whole world to see. That was enough karma to last a lifetime.
:lol

[Rojogaqu11]

:lol at one of youtube's comments.. "Mettapod used Harden. It's super effective!"

[JtotheIzzo]

The viciousness of it, the fact that Artest is a multiple offender, I say the league will look bad giving anything less than double digits.

I predict 25 games, though 10 would be more likely (because it is the Lakers and they are good for business).

What a f*cking cheap shot though, Jesus!

[yanix]

i'm still in disbelief this thug isn't out of the league yet

[niko]

5-10

[AceManIII]

:lol at one of youtube's comments.. "Mettapod used Harden. It's super effective!"

I feel ashamed that this joke amused me so much! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[bingo123]

Yesterday I thought he should be done for this season. But now when I think of this he should get 3-5 games suspension+if Lakers meet OKC in playoffs he should be suspended for those games.

[LA_Showtime]

The viciousness of it, the fact that Artest is a multiple offender, I say the league will look bad giving anything less than double digits.

I predict 25 games, though 10 would be more likely (because it is the Lakers and they are good for business).

What a f*cking cheap shot though, Jesus!

25 games? That seems rather excessive. I think at most Artest is looking at 10 games. Either way, I don't pity Stu Jackson. He can't win.

[BarberSchool]

Another player might get 3-5 games for this, and that would be if James Harden didn't suffer a concussion, which he did.

Factoring in:

1. Artest's history of uncontrolled and innaproporiate emotions and actions

2. "CONCUSSION" being a buzzword in professional sports right now.

3. #2 seed might go without the 6th man of the year for a stretch of the playoffs.

Factoring those points in, I would much more expect to see a 6-8 game suspension, and very heavy fines. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 10 game suspension, and 250,000 in fines.

I could also see the league office issuing a 5 game suspension PLUS additional games for each game Harden misses.

[Droid101]

Four games. It was no worse than what Bynum did to Barea. Barea was in mid air going at high speed. If he landed wrong, he could have seriously been hurt.

Four games.

[maybeshewill13]

Four games. It was no worse than what Bynum did to Barea. Barea was in mid air going at high speed. If he landed wrong, he could have seriously been hurt.

Four games.

While I don't agree with you, consider this.. it's Ron Artest.

That automatically adds a few games.. Bynum's slate was relatively clean. We'll see very soon, I think the NBA makes a statement with this.

[ILLsmak]

Four games. It was no worse than what Bynum did to Barea. Barea was in mid air going at high speed. If he landed wrong, he could have seriously been hurt.

Four games.

It's way worse, dude... we've all taken one of those stiff arms to the chest, but who has taken an elbow like that? I know I haven't I've caught an elbow but never like that.

That was some serious shit. And the play with Bynum was during gameplay. You could say it was hard foul. This was some non-game related shit dude just waxing him.

No comparison. This is the vilest shit I've seen in the NBA in awhile. It goes beyond some of the weak punches thrown or people choking someone during gameplay. This shit was hardcore.

I think he deserves to be out for the season and maybe forever. He's not even a great player anymore. No reason to keep him around.

It proves all of that World Peace shit is bullshit. Think about Dennis Rodman he was crazy... the worst thing he ever did was kick a photographer.

-Smak

[eurobum]

Artest was not thinking I'm gonna deck this dude. he was just thinking "get the f away from me punk".

this is a terrible argument. he still pulled the trigger. doesn't matter what he thought. lenient punishment is just condoning his behavior.

[eurobum]

Four games. It was no worse than what Bynum did to Barea. Barea was in mid air going at high speed. If he landed wrong, he could have seriously been hurt.

Four games.

"no worse?" another terrible argument. you're saying because bynum's foul could've potentially had a similar outcome to harden it should be the same punishment? lol, okay, hope you don't go to law school. news flash: outcome wasn't the same.

*checks location of poster*

oh, nevermind. the use of logic on this board some times.

[LA_Showtime]

It's way worse, dude... we've all taken one of those stiff arms to the chest, but who has taken an elbow like that? I know I haven't I've caught an elbow but never like that.

That was some serious shit. And the play with Bynum was during gameplay. You could say it was hard foul. This was some non-game related shit dude just waxing him.

No comparison. This is the vilest shit I've seen in the NBA in awhile. It goes beyond some of the weak punches thrown or people choking someone during gameplay. This shit was hardcore.

I think he deserves to be out for the season and maybe forever. He's not even a great player anymore. No reason to keep him around.

It proves all of that World Peace shit is bullshit. Think about Dennis Rodman he was crazy... the worst thing he ever did was kick a photographer.

-Smak

That is excessive, given that we don't know what was going through Artest's mind when he elbowed James Harden. Though given his history, he should probably be suspended for quite some time. And obviously he should be punished even more severely if this ever happens again.

[BarberSchool]

Four games. It was no worse than what Bynum did to Barea. Barea was in mid air going at high speed. If he landed wrong, he could have seriously been hurt.

Four games.I'm not surprised to see your location as Southern California. Both your implications are that Bynum's wasn't that bad, and that Artest's was no worse.

1. Bynum's was bad and could have potentially been much much worse for Barea.

2. Artest's bullshiz was FAR WORSE than Bynum's, because it was towards the mastoid bone area of the head to a man who was not defending himself. Artest is 6'8" and 265+, and he swung that elbow at least 90% strength.


How about I stroll over your way and wind up my 220lbs and deliver an elbow to your mastoid bone while you are totally undefended? Then you tell me what type of punishment is suitable.

[lilgodfather1]

He should get ten games minimum.

[novocaine]

ban that piece of shit from the whole nba. forever.

[LBJMVP]

Ok so I didn't personally watch the game.. been working all day (school work) and didn't have time to do anything until now but i was actually about to post a thread stating whether it was an intentional foul or not until i saw the replay of it on youtube.

It's still a little unclear on whether or not it was intentional because it did appear his anatomical range of motion was within the framework of his celebration but with super-slow replay and the proper close-up it does look a little sketchy on his part since his elbow did extend a little bit too far beyond his back, thus catching Harden.

Of course you could also argue that Artest couldn't really see harden because of the adrenaline of the spectacular dunk that he just finished but if you were a league official with that framework in mind how many game suspension should he get (if any) and why do you believe it should be x amount of games?


are you really gonna act like it was unclear whether or not it was an accident?

it was 100% done on purpose, and if you can't see that then your are being a biased fan.

that was no part of his celebration, who celebrates like that?

he should 5 games, same as bynum.

[rawimpact]

I would say 2-3 days would be suffucient. I believe we are forgetting that intent is much worse then action. In this case, i do not believe that artest elbowed Harden with the intent of what actually occurred, the guy just got overly excited (Dude does need mental therapy). I don't remember seeing anything between Harden and Artest that would've warranted such an attack and so i do not believe there was any intent. If you contrast that play with Bynum's last one against Barea, the intent is clearly visible... simple frustration against someone who was having a spectacular game and the lakers were losing (4-0). Will the suspension do anything in terms of long-term benefit? Probably not... this is Ron Artest we're talking about.

[(e)]

Miss the last regular season game, and miss the first 2 games of the Playoffs.

[chazzy]

I think it'll be around 5-7. Over 10 games is a little too much

[senelcoolidge]

He should miss the whole post season and games into next season. Repeat offender..throw the book at him.

[Knoe Itawl]

All playoffs IMO.

And anyone who is questioning whether he intended it or not at this point is an idiot. The guy swung his arm back and followed through, and even afte he knew he hit something just kept going without even bothering to look. Seriously, how anyone can watch that replay and not see it as intentional is beyond me. The ONLY thing I would be willing to give Artest is that he just did it not caring where his elbow went, but not necessarily meaning to hit him square in the temple.

It still doesn't matter. It would be the same as me firing into a crowded movie theatre and saying I didn't mean to hit a person, although I knew that my firing into the building may have meant just that.

[lebeast666]

From now until - 2nd round, AT LEAST....if Lakers make it :lol

[I<3NBA]

the rest of the regular season and 7 games in the playoffs. plus some stiff fines. like 30 million dollars or something.

[vinsanity2756]

Suspend him for the rest of the season and the playoffs. He needs to be severely punished else he will never learn. yeah hate me for saying this laker fans.

[ILLsmak]

That is excessive, given that we don't know what was going through Artest's mind when he elbowed James Harden. Though given his history, he should probably be suspended for quite some time. And obviously he should be punished even more severely if this ever happens again.

It doesn't matter what was going through his head.

You NEVER know what is truly going through someone's head. I am pretty good at predicting people's actions and intents by watching them, but I can't get inside their head...

All you need to do is notice what happened. He KNEW dude was there and threw a crazy elbow that sent him to the floor. That's just the same as him turning and punching him in the face, you realize that, right? Just because it's an elbow you think it's less malicious?

He floored Harden. Look at other elbow violations. Elbows have long been used to hurt people. Sometimes people uppercut you with their elbow (like horry did) while they are shooting. Sometimes they pivot and elbow you in the face. Or they even get a rebound and swing their elbows.

But that shit that he did was different. It wasn't during the game or anything.

I don't think its excessive... you mean to kick him out? Yeah they'll never do that. But I think they should sit him down for the rest of the year.

THEY SHOULDA KEPT ARIZA.

-Smak

[hawkfan]

10 games, due to his conduct and history.

That would mean 1 regular season game and 9 playoff games.

[lpublic_enemyl]

shud be whatever is left of the season + 4 or 5 games in the playoffs and a fine

[Mr. Jabbar]

I'm not surprised to see your location as Southern California. Both your implications are that Bynum's wasn't that bad, and that Artest's was no worse.

1. Bynum's was bad and could have potentially been much much worse for Barea.

2. Artest's bullshiz was FAR WORSE than Bynum's, because it was towards the mastoid bone area of the head to a man who was not defending himself. Artest is 6'8" and 265+, and he swung that elbow at least 90% strength.


How about I stroll over your way and wind up my 220lbs and deliver an elbow to your mastoid bone while you are totally undefended? Then you tell me what type of punishment is suitable.


Thats absolutely wrong, like amazingly wrong, you aware of that?

[Westbrook0]

I would say 2-3 days would be suffucient. I believe we are forgetting that intent is much worse then action. In this case, i do not believe that artest elbowed Harden with the intent of what actually occurred, the guy just got overly excited (Dude does need mental therapy). .

So no games missed?

:lol

[R.I.P.]

10 games, due to his conduct and history.

That would mean 1 regular season game and 9 playoff games.

At least.

[LAKERSRETHEBEST]

Bynum got 5 games for elbowing a SMALLER JJ Barea while he was IN THE AIR. That looked 100% intentional. This is different, because you could say that maybe Artest wasn't trying to hit him.

He at least would probably get one game, if not 2 or 3. :confusedshrug:


And then there's the one where Robin Lopez clobbered Blake Griffin last week; that was intentional too. It's not like MWP was facing Harden where they're having words & he elbows him intentionally. MWP was too busy in the moment...looking at the fans for their reaction after the dunk to notice Harden there.

[lpublic_enemyl]

And then there's the one where Robin Lopez clobbered Blake Griffin last week; that was intentional too. It's not like MWP was facing Harden where they're having words & he elbows him intentionally. MWP was too busy in the moment...looking at the fans for their reaction after the dunk to notice Harden there.
no he knew he was there and wanted to elbow him off obviously not in the head but still it happened and it's really dangerous...........

[DuMa]

lakers next game is 3 days away on thursday. i hope they decide on this swiftly because i dont want to be discussing this still by wednesday.

how many games harden misses, artest has to miss at least 2-4 more on top of that.

[Phong]

Give him a high-five, a pat on the head and a $250,000 bonus to go on a nice early summer vacation.

[Legends66NBA7]

Taking the controversail stance on this one.

These quotes haven't been quoted enough or at all:


2012, 4 game suspension.

1982, a fine and will play next game.


what should have happened to karl malone when he squared up and slammed the point of his elbow into isiah thomas' head, resulting in 40 stitches?

Karl Malone got a one game suspension for doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-Y4UoiAY

And... that's all it really deserves, a 1 game suspension.

I don't know why people are bringing up his past, yes he's been a repeat offender, why should that factor in on how many games he got for this hit ?

It was no similar to this (okay, he didn't drop him, but if he connects fully ?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjQNz1gt0g

Got him 1 game.

How many game would superstar players like say, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, etc... get if they pulled the same stunt these days ? I bet you they wouldn't get suspended for long, if at all. There's a bias, because it's MWP.

Back to Karl Malone elbow for a quick moment, what if Mark Eaton elbows Isiah Thomas instead ? Really think it's going to be a 1 game suspension ? Hell no.

The play deserves 1 game and at most 2. Not these "All Playoffs", "Banned for life", etc..

1 game or 2. That's it.

[Knoe Itawl]

And then there's the one where Robin Lopez clobbered Blake Griffin last week; that was intentional too. It's not like MWP was facing Harden where they're having words & he elbows him intentionally. MWP was too busy in the moment...looking at the fans for their reaction after the dunk to notice Harden there.

Perfect example of an idiot homer.

[JMT]

Through the first round of the playoffs.

[longtime lurker]

He should only get a 2 game suspension, but this is the NBA where overreaction is rampant so he'll get 5+ games which is bull. I mean didn't Rondo get suspended 2 games for throwing his head band at a ref?

[DuMa]

Taking the controversail stance on this one.

These quotes haven't been quoted enough or at all:





Karl Malone got a one game suspension for doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-Y4UoiAY

And... that's all it really deserves, a 1 game suspension.

I don't know why people are bringing up his past, yes he's been a repeat offender, why should that factor in on how many games he got for this hit ?

It was no similar to this (okay, he didn't drop him, but if he connects fully ?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjQNz1gt0g

Got him 1 game.

How many game would superstar players like say, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, etc... get if they pulled the same stunt these days ? I bet you they wouldn't get suspended for long, if at all. There's a bias, because it's MWP.

Back to Karl Malone elbow for a quick moment, what if Mark Eaton elbows Isiah Thomas instead ? Really think it's going to be a 1 game suspension ? Hell no.

The play deserves 1 game and at most 2. Not these "All Playoffs", "Banned for life", etc..

1 game or 2. That's it.

Bias is the wrong word here. There is no bias against Artest. There is however more of a concern he will do it again without remorse just like he did yesterday. He obviously hasnt learned much from his suspension last year or his numerous other suspensions when he was Bull or Pacer or Kings player. That is exactly why he deserves multiple game suspensions or even worse. He just doesnt LEARN from his mistakes.

banned for a season and all playoffs isnt exactly reaching. he has been banned for an entire season and who is to say that wont happen again. He is a dangerous player with so many incidents. How can you guarantee an incident like this wont happen again with Artest? You simply raise the level of punishment each time until he learns.

[Legends66NBA7]

Bias is the wrong word here. There is no bias against Artest. There is however more of a concern he will do it again without remorse just like he did yesterday. He obviously hasnt learned much from his suspension last year or his numerous other suspensions when he was Bull or Pacer or Kings player. That is exactly why he deserves multiple game suspensions or even worse. He just doesnt LEARN from his mistakes.

banned for a season and all playoffs isnt exactly reaching. he has been banned for an entire season and who is to say that wont happen again. He is a dangerous player with so many incidents. How can you guarantee an incident like this wont happen again with Artest? You simply raise the level of punishment each time until he learns.

Good points.

As for the reasons of he was banned for an entire season before, totally different scenarios. That one, he got provoked and jumped into the stands and started fighting people. This situation he stayed on-court. Both bad plays, but the palace will always be infamous and an NBA changing incident.

Other than that, I see your point.

[mountainmamba]

the rest of the regular season and 7 games in the playoffs. plus some stiff fines. like 30 million dollars or something.

So he should be docked 5 years of salary? Wow good thing you arent the commissioner, or the ruler of a country.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I changed my mind. I originally said two games.
Now, I think it should be 6 games. Bynum got 5 game suspension. This is clearly worse, imo.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Taking the controversail stance on this one.

These quotes haven't been quoted enough or at all:





Karl Malone got a one game suspension for doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-Y4UoiAY

And... that's all it really deserves, a 1 game suspension.

I don't know why people are bringing up his past, yes he's been a repeat offender, why should that factor in on how many games he got for this hit ?

It was no similar to this (okay, he didn't drop him, but if he connects fully ?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkjQNz1gt0g

Got him 1 game.

How many game would superstar players like say, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, etc... get if they pulled the same stunt these days ? I bet you they wouldn't get suspended for long, if at all. There's a bias, because it's MWP.

Back to Karl Malone elbow for a quick moment, what if Mark Eaton elbows Isiah Thomas instead ? Really think it's going to be a 1 game suspension ? Hell no.

The play deserves 1 game and at most 2. Not these "All Playoffs", "Banned for life", etc..

1 game or 2. That's it.
Karl Malone's incident was a long time ago. The league has gradually taken a harder and harder position in an effort to eliminate such hard fouls. I agree with that position. Bynum got 5 games. Artest will get at least that.

[Legends66NBA7]

Karl Malone's incident was a long time ago. The league has gradually taken a harder and harder position in an effort to eliminate such hard fouls. I agree with that position. Bynum got 5 games. Artest will get at least that.

Perhaps, you will be right.

Shame for your team, if it is 5 games.

[Droid101]

Perhaps, you will be right.

Shame for your team, if it is 5 games.
Five games is fine. First round series, we probably don't need Artest.

And if he comes back just in time for OKC? Perfect.

[guy]

The more I look at it, the worse it looks. I'd say 8 games.

By the way, the more I look back on Ron Artest's career and the brawl, I'm kind of surprised he wasn't kicked out of the league altogether or at least wasn't given some kind of warning where anymore suspension worthy incidents would result in him getting kicked out (he's been suspended a few times since then I believe). That was a line never crossed before and its not like he has ever been some kind of big star or anything bringing the league alot of money. IMO he's gotten off kind of easy.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Perhaps, you will be right.

Shame for your team, if it is 5 games.
yup, but as a Lakers fan, we don't have a right to cry about it. He was wrong and deserves whatever punishment is coming his way. We can only blame Metta, not the League...not Stern.

[Legends66NBA7]

That was a line never crossed before and its not like he has ever been some kind of big star or anything bringing the league alot of money. IMO he's gotten off kind of easy.

That's my only problem with this whole MWP situation.

If he was a big star, he doesn't get that many games. The league would try to shorten it.

[Legends66NBA7]

not the League...not Stern.

Still can blame him for rescinding the Chris Paul trade.

:oldlol: :cheers:

[guy]

That's my only problem with this whole MWP situation.

If he was a big star, he doesn't get that many games. The league would try to shorten it.

Even if he was a star, he would've still definitely gotten suspended for the rest of that season. Like I said, that really crossed the line like nothing in American sports history ever.

I'm pretty sure he's had other suspensions even after the brawl. The league has seriously coddled him.

[ihoopallday]

What's mind boggling is people still think it wasn't intentional. That's sad. :(

[KOBEtherealKing]

anything more than 5 will be because of his reputation. how can bynum only get 5 for knocking down barea while he was in the air? :confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

What's mind boggling is people still think it wasn't intentional. That's sad. :(
Nobody believes that.

However, it was a simple clear out that went too high. He intentionally tried to push him away, and unintentionally hit him in the head instead of body.

[OKCThunderUP]

However, it was a simple clear out that went too high. He intentionally tried to push him away, and unintentionally hit him in the head instead of body.

Seriously dude? It was a very blatantly intentional elbow to the head. There's nothing "clear out" about that.

[rawimpact]

So no games missed?

:lol

:oldlol:

you know what i meant, games*

[Droid101]

Seriously dude? It was a very blatantly intentional elbow to the head. There's nothing "clear out" about that.
I'm sorry Durant and Westbrook shot so poorly and cost you the game. I really am.

[derb2k2]

Nobody believes that.

However, it was a simple clear out that went too high. He intentionally tried to push him away, and unintentionally hit him in the head instead of body.


ban.:biggums:

[BarberSchool]

Nobody believes that.

However, it was a simple clear out that went too high. He intentionally tried to push him away, and unintentionally hit him in the head instead of body.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbdz3b2t9h1qzmowao1_400.jpg

And what's more, I doubt you even believe what you typed for a split second.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Minimum of 4, as much as 10 based on his history.

[Grey Dawn]

Nobody believes that.

However, it was a simple clear out that went too high. He intentionally tried to push him away, and unintentionally hit him in the head instead of body.

Retarded or flamer.

[ganja0710]

Anybody who says a minimum of 4 is stupid as fck. Dude's getting a minimum of 8-10. Maximum the whole playoffs.

[Extempo]

NO MORE THAN ONE PLAYOFF GAME. Raja Bell, that bitch from the Suns who clotheslined Kobe with malicious intent got only one game in the playoffs...absolutely no reason for Artest to get more when his was less malicious than Bell's foul. Lets hope for once, the league doesn't hold the Lakers to a different standard.

[AMISTILLILL]

NO MORE THAN ONE PLAYOFF GAME. Raja Bell, that bitch from the Suns who clotheslined Kobe with malicious intent got only one game in the playoffs...absolutely no reason for Artest to get more when his was less malicious than Bell's foul. Lets hope for once, the league doesn't hold the Lakers to a different standard.

If you actually think those two things are comparable, I don't know what to tell you. The odds of potentially killing or paralyzing someone with a clothesline is pretty slim, wouldn't you say?

[Mr Know It All]

10 games minimum.

[Nero Tulip]

You're delusional if you think he's going to get less than 5 games. I'm betting on 10 games, but it could be much worse if they want to punish him for his history.

[LAKERSRETHEBEST]

Perfect example of an idiot homer.




And you're a perfect example of a ****ing moron.

[jb220]

I said this in another thread but no matter how many games MWP gets I think the Lakers need to stretch out their first round playoff series to 6 games no matter what, even if it means tanking a few. They are gonna need the Peoples Elbow for the Semis, WCF and Finals.

[LAKERSRETHEBEST]

If you actually think those two things are comparable, I don't know what to tell you. The odds of potentially killing or paralyzing someone with a clothesline is pretty slim, wouldn't you say?



Artest didn't paralyze or kill Harden...dude suffered a concussion.