Clutchest Player of the Year.

[Richesly]

The list:

Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Love
Joe Johnson
Kyrie Irving
Monta Ellis
Chris Paul
Paul Pierce


Out of these guys, who is your top dog?

[novocaine]

Kobe......comin from a Kobe hater.

[Heavincent]

Kobe.

[StacksOnDeck]

Kobe

[LABean]

Not sure if serious. :confusedshrug:
Easily Kobe.


Kobe
Irving
KD

The rest...

[Jameerthefear]

A clutch list that has JJ on it but not CP3? Fail.
ANyways, Kobe.

[juju151111]

Is this a joke? The answer is obviously CP3

[Richesly]

Explain how Kobe is clutcher than Melo, Kevin Durant, or Joe Johnson this year? Not even Irving.

[LABean]

Is this a joke? The answer is obviously CP3
We ain't talking about Flopper of the Year. :confusedshrug:

jk. I have CP3 pretty high.

[novocaine]

Explain how Kobe is clutcher than Melo, Kevin Durant, or Joe Johnson this year? Not even Irving.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGOt9QoAxNs

[Fiasco]

Chris Paul.

[L8kersfan222]

Kobe easily

[Celtic_Pride]

Again people forget Dirk :facepalm

My list:

CP3
Durant
Kobe
Dirk

[Salazaar]

How bout my boy D-Wade? Leads the league with 3 game winners this season. Runner up: CP3

[jstern]

I'll go with Carmelo, but that's cause I've seen him more.

Amazing how just one clutch game from Kobe last Sunday can make people believe he's been clutch this year. People are dumb.

I think it's probably because he has more style, shots look nicer.

[RaininTwos]

Hey yo, Kryie is a monster:eek:

Rook has been doing DAMAGE in the clutch.

I might just give it to him lol.

But JJ is definitely a top three candidate.

[KingBeasley08]

Gotta give it to CP3

[novocaine]

Again people forget Dirk :facepalm

My list:

CP3
Durant
Kobe
Dirk

wow, that is a fail list.

[Richesly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGOt9QoAxNs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzx3052GRcs&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxmGqHS647M&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iW1C0HcpXw&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uciKsWRa5Vw&feature=plcp

Anything else?

[novocaine]

I'll go with Carmelo, but that's cause I've seen him more.

Amazing how just one clutch game from Kobe last Sunday can make people believe he's been clutch this year. People are dumb.


good you did not exclude yourself..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9rkDM2nuNQ

edit: richesly should take a look too.

[LABean]

I'll go with Carmelo, but that's cause I've seen him more.

Amazing how just one clutch game from Kobe last Sunday can make people believe he's been clutch this year. People are dumb.
:facepalm

I'm gonna let this slide because you probably didn't watch Kobe play this season, other than that game.


lol Melo hasn't done anything. :lol
Other than two lucky shots against the rusty Bulls (at the time).

[DuMa]

CP3

[Richesly]

good you did not exclude yourself..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9rkDM2nuNQ

edit: richesly should take a look too.

Okay, Joe has hit plenty of shots like that, I just can't compile them together and there aren't any joe johnson homers as there are kobe homers. im sure joe could have a 5+ minute clutch vid.

[Vertical-24]

My official list of the clutchest players of the season:
1. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Durant
4. Chris Paul
5. Derrick Rose

/thread

[novocaine]

Okay, Joe has hit plenty of shots like that, I just can't compile them together and there aren't any joe johnson homers as there are kobe homers. im sure joe could have a 5+ minute clutch vid.

rofl, check my first post.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhc5hZLLW1qdqj6e.jpg

[Matty2Cool]

dont need a clutch player when ya blowing everyone out of the water

[jstern]

:facepalm

I'm gonna let this slide because you probably didn't watch Kobe play this season, other than that game.


lol Melo hasn't done anything. :lol
Other than two lucky shots against the rusty Bulls (at the time).

I just trust Melo more is all I'm saying. He's much more clutch. And it's hard not to follow Kobe, since his games are the most talked about. I've watched more Kobe this year than Carmelo. And I'm using past seasons for both players to come to that conclusion.

[Scholar]

Kobe Bryant is definitely at the top of the list, but I find it kind of hard to believe that Joe Johnson has yet to be mentioned. He's hit so many clutch shots this season that it's easy to make a case for him as one of the most clutch players in the league.

[Richesly]

My official list of the clutchest players of the season:
1. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Durant
4. Chris Paul
5. Derrick Rose

/thread


Rose?

Doesn't he miss FTs in the crunch?

[Scholar]

I'll go with Carmelo, but that's cause I've seen him more.


I just trust Melo more is all I'm saying. He's much more clutch. And it's hard not to follow Kobe, since his games are the most talked about. I've watched more Kobe this year than Carmelo. And I'm using past seasons for both players to come to that conclusion.


:biggums:

So... Which is it? It's either one or the other. It can't be both.

[Richesly]

Mine, which I'm sure is the most accurate.

1. Joe Johnson.
2. Kevin Durant
3. Chris Paul
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Monta Ellis
7. Paul Pierce
8. Kyrie Irving
9. Danny Granger
10. Jason Terry

[LABean]

I just trust Melo more is all I'm saying. He's much more clutch. And it's hard not to follow Kobe, since his games are the most talked about. I've watched more Kobe this year than Carmelo. And I'm using past seasons for both players to come to that conclusion.

I know what you mean since a lot of Knicks fans say they trust Melo more than any player.
But that's more of a hypothetical situation, like Heat fans do with LeBron.

We're talking about actual work put in. Kobe. :pimp:

Honestly, I don't get the Melo clutch hype. That's me though. :D


:cheers:

[LABean]

:biggums:

So... Which is it? It's either one or the other. It can't be both.

lmao

I missed this. :roll:

[novocaine]

:biggums:

So... Which is it? It's either one or the other. It can't be both.


:roll: :roll:

[Salazaar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-atfWN1A3k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHdMCBeA2KY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjbpAgMPzHU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

/thread :oldlol:

[No Evans!]

Durant, Johnson, Bryant, and Irving, in any order

[keepinitreal]

1. Chris Paul
2. Durant
3. Carmelo
4. Irving?

[jstern]

:biggums:

So... Which is it? It's either one or the other. It can't be both.

I've seen more Carmelo compared to the vast majority of the other players, but have probably seen more Kobe this year and followed him since he's the player most talked about.

Since you might not understand what I meant, just try to understands that things in life are not so black and white, it's mostly gray.

[novocaine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-atfWN1A3k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHdMCBeA2KY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjbpAgMPzHU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

/thread :oldlol:

:durantunimpressed:

[G-Funk]

Explain how Kobe is clutcher than Melo, Kevin Durant, or Joe Johnson this year? Not even Irving.

u asked lol

[MichaelCheazley]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-atfWN1A3k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHdMCBeA2KY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjbpAgMPzHU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

/thread :oldlol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkHSiovyAU

[DMAVS41]

ROFL at Kobe

There are probably like 10 or more guys that have been better than him.

Paul and Pierce are two of the best that I have seen. Westbrook has been really good as well.

But Kobe? Please...he's been average at best this season.

Just absurd.

[marion706]

i live in ga and watch most of the hawks game and Joe Johnson is clutch as shit

[novocaine]

Okay, Joe has hit plenty of shots like that, I just can't compile them together and there aren't any joe johnson homers as there are kobe homers. im sure joe could have a 5+ minute clutch vid.

nah, that many slowmos would be boring.

[EoJ]

even though i dislike him i gotta go with Chris Paul,

[Heavincent]

ROFL at Kobe

There are probably like 10 or more guys that have been better than him.

Paul and Pierce are two of the best that I have seen. Westbrook has been really good as well.

But Kobe? Please...he's been average at best this season.

Just absurd.

:oldlol:

You're delusional.

[DMAVS41]

:oldlol:

Paul Pierce

29 points on 51/50/76 splits 65% TS

Kobe

29 points (on 25 shots...ROFL) on 36/29/82 splits 49% TS

Should I post more or are you willing to shut the **** up?

Nash

21 points (10 shots) on 52/38/100 splits 74% TS

Paul

31 points (21 shots) on 42/21/96 splits 58% TS

Parker

27 points (19 shots) on 44/40/91 splits 57% TS

Durant

35 points (29 shots) on 39/33/88 splits 53% TS

Westbrook

30 points (21 shots) on 44/37/91 splits 58% TS

Terry

26 points (18 shots) on 49/49/94 splits 65% TS

Dirk

22 points (17 shots) on 34/30/95 splits 52% TS...about on Kobe's level....ROFL

I could go on...

Again...you willing to shut the **** up?

[SpecialQue]

:lebronamazed:

[Heavincent]

Paul Pierce

29 points on 51/50/76 splits 65% TS

Kobe

29 points on 36/29/82 splits 49% TS

Should I post more or are you willing to shut the **** up?

lol clutch stats

[KingBeasley08]

lol clutch stats
are the stats false? :confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

lol clutch stats

Sucks when there is actually a record of all of Kobe's misses I know? No more:

"best closer in the game""zomg....godbe"

Sucks we actually have the data to show what he's done. Ouch....10 guys might be too short of a list. Maybe Kobe was top 20 this year...I'd have to do more research.

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe...and it aint even close..




source - watched 90% of all NBA games this eason.

[EnoughSaid]

Who do I want to close my game out? Kobe Bryant. Dude has proven again and again that he is a murdered in the clutch.

[magnax1]

Kobe was not a great closer this year. He forced shots he no longer consistently makes all the time in the clutch. At one point he was the best in the game, by far, but that is no longer true.
Derrick Rose is just as over rated in the clutch though.

[pauk]

What is the criteria we/you are going after here?

Clutch points/efficiency?

Gametying/Gamewinning shots?

[AlphaWolf24]

:roll:
Sucks when there is actually a record of all of Kobe's misses I know? No more:

"best closer in the game""zomg....godbe"

Sucks we actually have the data to show what he's done. Ouch....10 guys might be too short of a list. Maybe Kobe was top 20 this year...I'd have to do more research.


:roll: @ this guys love of stats...



you still never explained How Lebron still lost will all those great teamates..

[L8kersfan222]

:mad:
:rolleyes: come on gino, get outta here

[DMAVS41]

:roll:


:roll: @ this guys love of stats...



you still never explained How Lebron still lost will all those great teamates..

Lebron lost by not being clutch. LOL

He lost to Dirk, who had the greatest clutch performance in the playoffs..by far, that anyone has had since MJ retired. Its not even close.

And all those great teams? Lebron has played on one "great" team...and he choked worse than any star player I've ever seen in the finals. With Kobe's shit fest in 04 a close second.

What is your point about Lebron? Do you think I support what he did last year? It was laughably bad....LOL

Next...

[marion706]

What is the criteria we/you are going after here?

Clutch points/efficiency?

Gametying/Gamewinning shots?

i think he was going for this but everyone took it to another level

[AlphaWolf24]

Paul Pierce

29 points on 51/50/76 splits 65% TS

Kobe

29 points (on 25 shots...ROFL) on 36/29/82 splits 49% TS

Should I post more or are you willing to shut the **** up?

Nash

21 points (10 shots) on 52/38/100 splits 74% TS

Paul

31 points (21 shots) on 42/21/96 splits 58% TS

Parker

27 points (19 shots) on 44/40/91 splits 57% TS

Durant

35 points (29 shots) on 39/33/88 splits 53% TS

Westbrook

30 points (21 shots) on 44/37/91 splits 58% TS

Terry

26 points (18 shots) on 49/49/94 splits 65% TS

I could go on...

Again...you willing to shut the **** up?


Math and basketball don't work....sorry...


you can crunch stats all day long...it doesn't mean anything in Basketball...


when 90% of the NBA community that watches the games picks Kobe as the best closer...but 1% of the online community uses advanced formula's says otherwise...

I'm going with the 5X champion whe I watch every game and make the judment.

[DMAVS41]

:rolleyes: come on gino, get outta here

God damn. They are out in full force.

So let's go through the Kobe stan logic.

Respond in thread about Kobe being the most clutch player.

Circle Jerk with other Kobe stans.

Have someone post what actually happened.

Laugh at stats.

Get mad at an anonymous poster posting facts.

Leave thread.

Did I miss a step?

[kNIOKAS]

just disregard laker fans and carry on. they be such boneheads when it comes to it

[DMAVS41]

Math and basketball don't work....sorry...


you can crunch stats all day long...it doesn't mean anything in Basketball...


when 90% of the NBA community that watches the games picks Kobe as the best closer...but 1% of the online community uses advanced formula's says otherwise...

I'm going with the 5X champion whe I watch every game and make the judment.

I'm going with what I see and its backed up by stats. For example....Westbrook has been great in crunch time all year. Just by watching nearly every one of his games you would know this, but you clearly didn't watch.

And what do you know...he has great stats.

Dirk, on the other hand, has struggled in crunch time this year...and what do you know...his stats aren't great.

Funny how Kobe is the only player that defies basic laws of the universe. But I guess he can do that...he is Lordbe or whatever the **** you moronic retards are calling him today.

[L8kersfan222]

:cry:
anonymous? you're that poster with a bunch of alts that tried to claim they were your brothers :confusedshrug: you're quite known for being stupid sorry not sorry

[Jimmy2k8]

Kobe's clutch stats
(http://www.82games.com/1112/11LAL6.HTM)
The stats don't lie.

FG:11.0 FGA:33.7 FG%:.327 eFG%:.356

[ClutchOver9000]

In general:

Melo, Kobe, Dirk, PP



This year:

CP3, Durant, Irving

[AlphaWolf24]

Lebron lost by not being clutch. LOL

He lost to Dirk, who had the greatest clutch performance in the playoffs..by far, that anyone has had since MJ retired. Its not even close.

And all those great teams? Lebron has played on one "great" team...and he choked worse than any star player I've ever seen in the finals. With Kobe's shit fest in 04 a close second.

What is your point about Lebron? Do you think I support what he did last year? It was laughably bad....LOL

Next...


Stats say Lebron played on at least 4 great teams capable wof winning a Title...

so now stats don't matter?...4 great teams proved through numbers and %'s ..4 Great teams on paper over a 85 game season....what about those numbers??

[DMAVS41]

anonymous? you're that poster with a bunch of alts that tried to claim they were your brothers :confusedshrug: you're quite known for being stupid sorry not sorry

I have no other accounts.

And what do you care about me. Why ever take the time to post about me. Its silly. Attack what I say.

But you can't do that. So you will derail the thread to make this about me.

What step is this again? Oh yes....the key one...maybe I forgot to list it:

Step:

Get owned in a debate and try to derail thread by attacking the poster and not the post.

Please just skip to Step:

Post picture of "5 rings U Mad"....then leave

[donald_trump]

lol at d wade being left off the list. most game winners this year.

did people voting for kobe watch him this year? horrible shot after horrible shot in the clutch.

[Jotaro Durant]

durant paul and that little nikka in cleveland

[pauk]

In terms of productions/efficiency in clutch situations this season (last 5 minutes of the games where the score margin is within 5 points) then these guys were the best... in random order:

1. KYRIE IRVING:
40 ppg
6 rpg
3 apg
54 FG%
67 3PT%
84 FT%

the rest are kindof tied:

CHRIS PAUL:
31 ppg
4 rpg
7 apg
42 FG%
21 3PT%
96 FT%

LEBRON JAMES:
30 ppg
11 rpg
6 apg
45 FG%
39 3PT%
71 FT%

KEVIN DURANT:
35 ppg
10 rpg
1 apg
39 FG%
33 3PT%
88 FT%

CARMELO ANTHONY:
34 ppg
10 rpg
2 apg
38 FG%
36 3PT%
71 FT%

sponsored by: www.nba.com/statscube

[DMAVS41]

Stats say Lebron played on at least 4 great teams capable wof winning a Title...

so now stats don't matter?...4 great teams proved through numbers and %'s ..4 Great teams on paper over a 85 game season....what about those numbers??

Actually they don't. Because stats say you need at least one other all star or all nba player around a superstar to win.

Literally Duncan in 03, Hakeem in 94, and Dirk in 11 are the only three players to accomplish winning the title without that in the last 30 years.

Next....

[L8kersfan222]

http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/2x3277403/Baby_Crying_600-01172755.jpg



Sorry Gino, you're just too ez

[SyRyanYang]

KB
CP3


KD
Irving

Rest

[AlphaWolf24]

I have no other accounts.

And what do you care about me. Why ever take the time to post about me. Its silly. Attack what I say.

But you can't do that. So you will derail the thread to make this about me.

What step is this again? Oh yes....the key one...maybe I forgot to list it:

Step:

Get owned in a debate and try to derail thread by attacking the poster and not the post.

Please just skip to Step:

Post picture of "5 rings U Mad"....then leave


What you admitted that your brother "Gyno" was on a vacation.......no wait...

Gyno said he had to leave on a vacation and "hoped someone would pick up the slack"... to defend all the stat nerds vs Laker fans...(while the Lakers were getting ready for the 2011 playoff's)...as soon as the Mavs beat L.A. in game 1 you showed up saying you were Gyno's brother and you guy's only had 1 laptop, now it your turn to use it......

all we ever heard from you guy's was how the laws and principles of math showed that Kobe had special teammates...if Lebron had great teammates like Kobe then he would win too...


funny how all your math never accounted for just Losing at the crunchtime... over and over , while playing on 4 great teams capable of winning it all...

[atljonesbro]

Kobe Bryant is definitely at the top of the list, but I find it kind of hard to believe that Joe Johnson has yet to be mentioned. He's hit so many clutch shots this season that it's easy to make a case for him as one of the most clutch players in the league.

Wow someone not a Hawks fan gave Joe Credit for being clutch :applause: He's hit as many if not more big shots than anyone in the league this year, BUT HES NOT A SUPERSTAR SO ITS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE CLUTCH. Most people in this thread are just naming the typical responses they would when it comes to clutch players because they just aren't knowledgeable about the subject. Plain and simple.

[DMAVS41]

What you admitted that your brother "Gyno" was on a vacation.......no wait...

Gyno said he had to leave on a vacation and "hoped someone would pick up the slack"... to defend all the stat nerds vs Laker fans...(while the Lakers were getting ready for the 2011 playoff's)...as soon as the Mavs beat L.A. in game 1 you showed up saying you were Gyno's brother and you guy's only had 1 laptop, now it your turn to use it......

all we ever heard from you guy's was how the laws and principles of math showed that Kobe had special teammates...if Lebron had great teammates like Kobe then he would win too...


funny how all your math never accounted for just Losing at the crunchtime... over and over , while playing on 4 great teams capable of winning it all...

Please post a 5 rings pic and be done with it.

Again. Shift the focus...derail thread.

Does it piss you off that you can't win one debate with me on here?

[jstern]

Since I care more about human nature, I'm going to book mark this link

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1121964-kobe-bryant-vs-kevin-durant-whos-better-in-the-clutch

Not because of basketball, just because it's amazing how despite the writer clearly stating that Durant has been by far the most clutch player this year, and Kobe having not such a good year in the clutch, he still says Kobe is more clutch. And despite Kobe's horrible numbers, 87.6% of the people who voted say that Kobe is more clutch, despite the stats stated. (And yeah yeah yeah, stats lie, so if Kobe missed 28 game winners out of 30, it really meant that he made 28 out of 30. Etc.)

The human nature aspect is what fascinates me. Have a fake personality going out of your way to prove how fearless you are, bravado, and people will eat up, even if you were to miss 100 game winners in a row. I haven't watched Dragon Ball Z in over 10 years, but Hercule pops to mind.

[DMAVS41]

Wow someone not a Hawks fan gave Joe Credit for being clutch :applause: He's hit as many if not more big shots than anyone in the league this year, BUT HES NOT A SUPERSTAR SO ITS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE CLUTCH. Most people in this thread are just naming the typical responses they would when it comes to clutch players because they just aren't knowledgeable about the subject. Plain and simple.

Good call.

Joe Johnson

28 points (19 shots) on 45/52/91 splits 61% TS.....:applause:

[LBJMVP]

kyrie irving.

[AlphaWolf24]

Actually they don't. Because stats say you need at least one other all star or all nba player around a superstar to win.

Literally Duncan in 03, Hakeem in 94, and Dirk in 11 are the only three players to accomplish winning the title without that in the last 30 years.

Next....


stats do say his teams wer great.....he had an allstar caliber Center since his rookie year (Big Z made the Allstar team the year before Lebron)....Boozer was also an allstar caliber player....Ben Wallace was a DPOY caliber player...
Jamison was an allstar, MO Will was an allstar and Shaq...he did play with stars...

according to all the stats LBJ did have great teams/teammates he still found ways to lose....according the stats.


that's the real problem...all your stats to boost Lebron and he still loses.....


your basketball math = FAIL

[AlphaWolf24]

Please post a 5 rings pic and be done with it.

Again. Shift the focus...derail thread.

Does it piss you off that you can't win one debate with me on here?


I am Debating ....you only use stats to slight Kobe....

it's tired and silly..



once again...Lebron played on 4 GREAT teams capable of winning it all...(3 were favored to win the title and had HCA for the playoff's)..

and he still lost....get your caculator out and tell me why??.....


come on Einstien..where is your formula for why he loses with all those great teams...??


go get your brother if you need help:rolleyes:

[DMAVS41]

stats do say his teams wer great.....he had an allstar caliber Center since his rookie year (Big Z made the Allstar team the year before Lebron)....Boozer was also an allstar caliber player....Ben Wallace was a DPOY caliber player...
Jamison was an allstar, MO Will was an allstar and Shaq...he did play with stars...

according to all the stats LBJ did have great teams/teammates he still found ways to lose....according the stats.


that's the real problem...all your stats to boost Lebron and he still loses.....


your basketball math = FAIL

I haven't even mentioned Lebron...although he was definitely more clutch than Kobe this year.

I don't think any of those Cavs teams were truly capable of winning it all despite how Lebron played.

Last year they were....and Lebron choked. The notion that Lebron has had 4 teams capable of winning the title is absurd to me.

But I don't even care to discuss that. Why are you bringing what Lebron did on the Cavs up in a thread about clutch play this year.

You act like Lebron's clutch stats in the finals were good or something. They were horrible beyond belief. Are those stats worthless as well?

[pauk]

stats do say his teams wer great.....he had an allstar caliber Center since his rookie year (Big Z made the Allstar team the year before Lebron)....Boozer was also an allstar caliber player....Ben Wallace was a DPOY caliber player...
Jamison was an allstar, MO Will was an allstar and Shaq...he did play with stars...

according to all the stats LBJ did have great teams/teammates he still found ways to lose....according the stats.


that's the real problem...all your stats to boost Lebron and he still loses.....


your basketball math = FAIL

There is a difference between a nice team record in the regular season caused by a one-man-army surrounded with scrubs... and a DEEP actual TEAM that plays team basketball, that have a great bench, where all players complement eachothers games and ran by a fantastic coach............

and Lebron never had that... im not sure if he even has that now...

[AlphaWolf24]

I haven't even mentioned Lebron...although he was definitely more clutch than Kobe this year.

I don't think any of those Cavs teams were truly capable of winning it all despite how Lebron played.

Last year they were....and Lebron choked. The notion that Lebron has had 4 teams capable of winning the title is absurd to me.

But I don't even care to discuss that. Why are you bringing what Lebron did on the Cavs up in a thread about clutch play this year.

You act like Lebron's clutch stats in the finals were good or something. They were horrible beyond belief. Are those stats worthless as well?


why don't you think they were capable of winning it all?...when the stats show they were the best team in the league...and favored to win it all 3 years in a row??...

now you don't look at the stats?...why??

[AlphaWolf24]

There is a difference between a nice team record in the regular season caused by a one-man-army surrounded with scrubs... and a DEEP actual TEAM that plays team basketball, that have a great bench, where all players complement eachothers games and ran by a fantastic coach............

and Lebron never had that... im not sure if he even has that now...


show me the stats that prove it.....

[Deuce Bigalow]

There is a difference between a nice team record in the regular season caused by a one-man-army surrounded with scrubs... and a DEEP actual TEAM that plays team basketball, that have a great bench, where all players complement eachothers games and ran by a fantastic coach............

and Lebron never had that... im not sure if he even has that now...

Kobe sure had that, most of his career... and he never had to go and look for it, he was DRAFTED there to the biggest winning franchise in NBA history...
wow just wow
there is retarded, then there is you.

[pauk]

Kobe sure had that, most of his career... which Lebron never had until now (and its still not even close to as good of a team Kobe had a couple of times)..... and Kobe never had to go and look for it, he was DRAFTED there to the biggest winning franchise in NBA history... he got it all handed to him on a silverplate....

Lebron averaged 18 ppg one Finals you say and lost? Well Kobe averaged 15 ppg in one Finals... and it didnt matter a crap... because they won the championship anyways.... and im sure TEAM depth had something to do with it...

[pauk]

wow just wow
there is retarded, then there is you.

Yes... im sure that as an ignorant/immature Kobe fan like you its hard to comprehend that a Championship is a team accomplishment...

[Heavincent]

Yes... im sure that as an ignorant/immature Kobe fan like you its hard to comprehend that a Championship is a team accomplishment...

It's also an individual accomplishment.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe sure had that, most of his career... which Lebron never had until now (and its still not even close to as good of a team Kobe had a couple of times)..... and Kobe never had to go and look for it, he was DRAFTED there to the biggest winning franchise in NBA history... he got it all handed to him on a silverplate....

Lebron averaged 18 ppg one Finals you say and lost? Well Kobe averaged 15 ppg in one Finals... and it didnt matter a crap... because they won the championship anyways.... and im sure TEAM depth had something to do with it...
Kobe wasn't drafted by the Lakers you moron

http://www.unathleticmag.com/wp-content/uploads/pg2_g_kobe_hornets_576.jpg

the reason why Kobe only averaged 16 ppg was becasue he only played 9 minutes in game 2. It's 19 PPG if you remove that game which he sprained his ankle. Higher than prime lebron's :lol . And Kobe had 2 26+ games in that series. Lebron has never scored 26 points in the finals. Also in game 4, '00 finals Kobe scored 8 points in Overtime with shaq fouled out, and won them the game. Lebron has never scored more than 5 points in a 4th quarter in the finals :lol

[DMAVS41]

why don't you think they were capable of winning it all?...when the stats show they were the best team in the league...and favored to win it all 3 years in a row??...

now you don't look at the stats?...why??

Because the historic stats hold more weight than regular season stats. How many times must people learn that the regular season and the playoffs are two hugely different games.

If the regular season was a great indication, then certain teams would have dominated the competition. Like the 08 Celtics...why didn't they just blow through everyone in the playoffs?

Regular season stats just aren't a great indication of anything happening in the playoffs.

As usual, the morons, have to make it a black and white issue. Its either all something or none of something. Can't be a middle ground. Its either use all stats or ignore all stats.

:hammerhead:

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe sure had that, most of his career... which Lebron never had until now (and its still not even close to as good of a team Kobe had a couple of times)..... and Kobe never had to go and look for it, he was DRAFTED there to the biggest winning franchise in NBA history... he got it all handed to him on a silverplate....

Lebron averaged 18 ppg one Finals you say and lost? Well Kobe averaged 15 ppg in one Finals... and it didnt matter a crap... because they won the championship anyways.... and im sure TEAM depth had something to do with it...


but stats show that Kobe was injured in 2 of the games ....(lakers got blown out in 1 of them)..Kobe carried the Lakers in Game 4...

when looking at Kobe's stats discounting when he was injured stats show he played great..


but if you watched the games you would know that.

[Deuce Bigalow]

but stats show that Kobe was injured in 2 of the games ....(lakers got blown out in 1 of them)..Kobe carried the Lakers in Game 4...

when looking at Kobe's stats discounting when he was injured stats show he played great..


but if you watched the games you would know that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/000/975/788/1483167_crop_650x440.jpg

"I got this"

[BuGzBuNNy]

When I read the thread title I thought CP3.

If I remember correct, I recall people talking about how bad Kobe had been in the clutch earlier in the season. Not just the haters, but genuine fans.

[AlphaWolf24]

Because the historic stats hold more weight than regular season stats. How many times must people learn that the regular season and the playoffs are two hugely different games.

If the regular season was a great indication, then certain teams would have dominated the competition. Like the 08 Celtics...why didn't they just blow through everyone in the playoffs?

Regular season stats just aren't a great indication of anything happening in the playoffs.

As usual, the morons, have to make it a black and white issue. Its either all something or none of something. Can't be a middle ground. Its either use all stats or ignore all stats.

:hammerhead:


so basically what you said is.."stats are worthless"




your welcome





next

[arifgokcen]

I am genuine fan and please kobe has not been clutch this year.

There is a difference between a fan and a dickrider.

Paul has easily been the most clutch player.Durant has been very clutch too

[TeamLAC]

Chris Paul.

[LBJMVP]

When I read the thread title I thought CP3.

If I remember correct, I recall people talking about how bad Kobe had been in the clutch earlier in the season. Not just the haters, but genuine fans.


kobe had one clutch game against OKC and now the lakers fans say he had the clutchest season.... what do you expect?

[DMAVS41]

so basically what you said is.."stats are worthless"




your welcome





next

What? How could you possibly get that from my post. Stats are a record of what happens in a game.

The are factual. They are not biased. They are objective.

You see. You see Kobe make a shot and you get hard because you love Kobe so much...in your mind, its worth 10 shots of Durant doing the same thing.

So you can't be heard from in debates like this because you are too biased.

Why would it be any different than me claiming Dirk is the best clutch player this year? Dirk has had some absurdly clutch moments and games and has stats very similar to Kobe. Why wouldn't I go nuts about Dirk scoring 21 points in the 4th in a must win game....31 in the 2nd half?

Why? Because I'm at least somewhat objective and can admit when a player I like isn't great at something.

You can't. You can't admit Kobe has no business belonging in a discussion on the most clutch player this year.

That is why you are a moron.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Chris Paul.

this

[Tenchi Ryu]

My official list of the clutchest players of the season:
1. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Durant
4. Derrick Rose
5. Chris Paul

/thread
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

What? How could you possibly get that from my post. Stats are a record of what happens in a game.

The are factual. They are not biased. They are objective.

You see. You see Kobe make a shot and you get hard because you love Kobe so much...in your mind, its worth 10 shots of Durant doing the same thing.

So you can't be heard from in debates like this because you are too biased.

Why would it be any different than me claiming Dirk is the best clutch player this year? Dirk has had some absurdly clutch moments and games and has stats very similar to Kobe. Why wouldn't I go nuts about Dirk scoring 21 points in the 4th in a must win game....31 in the 2nd half?

Why? Because I'm at least somewhat objective and can admit when a player I like isn't great at something.

You can't. You can't admit Kobe has no business belonging in a discussion on the most clutch player this year.

That is why you are a moron.


I don't have 2 other brothers sharing a laptop...

I didn't create a Mavs account right after the Mavs beat L.A.

I tell everyone I base my judgement off of what I have watched

I always tell everyone "I only rank players who I watched"..

I am biased towards the Lakers....no one on this forum doesn't use bias one way or another.

My views reflect that of the majority of the basketball community and "real fans"...

I don't try to slight Kobe based on FG% to sound more like a "hardcore fan"

I watched more basketball then 99% of the people here

I don't care if I can't be heard...it's the webz and I just like talking hoops to anyone:cheers:

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe, Da Lawd has got clutch in his veins

[Living Being]

:biggums:

So... Which is it? It's either one or the other. It can't be both.
He has seen Melo more, but watched Kobe more. :eek:

[DMAVS41]

I don't have 2 other brothers sharing a laptop...

I didn't create a Mavs account right after the Mavs beat L.A.

I tell everyone I base my judgement off of what I have watched

I always tell everyone "I only rank players who I watched"..

I am biased towards the Lakers....no one on this forum doesn't use bias one way or another.

My views reflect that of the majority of the basketball community and "real fans"...

I don't try to slight Kobe based on FG% to sound more like a "hardcore fan"

I watched more basketball then 99% of the people here

I don't care if I can't be heard...it's the webz and I just like talking hoops to anyone:cheers:

I created this account in November of 2010 you moron. I argued endlessly with people here that, if given the right team, Dirk could definitely win the title.

You, and countless other Kobe Stans laughed at that notion. Then last year happened. And I was proven right.

Accusing me of front running? I literally started repping my team on here at the worst possible time....

[Sampsonsimpson]

Cant go wrong with Kobe, CP3, or Melo

[dyna]

This season:

1) CP3
2) Kobe
3) Durant
4) Irving
5) Carmelo

[LABean]

This season:

1) CP3
2) Kobe
3) Durant
4) Carmelo
5) Westbrook

Can you explain why you have Carmelo so high?
Is it based on the Chicago game?

[Fudge]

No love for LeBron?


:lebroncry:

[lilgodfather1]

Kyrie Irving.

[AlphaWolf24]

I created this account in November of 2010 you moron. I argued endlessly with people here that, if given the right team, Dirk could definitely win the title.

You, and countless other Kobe Stans laughed at that notion. Then last year happened. And I was proven right.

Accusing me of front running? I literally started repping my team on here at the worst possible time....

What?...you predicted the Mavs to lose in every round last year....

no one thought this was the "right team" for Dirk...

nearly everyone thought they would lose to L.A....


in other words.... you are full of ISH.....your whole theory of having "special teammates for Lebron or Dirk" back fired again when the Mavs won a Title last year...


that's why you and your brothers bring so many laughs.....(laughing at you )

[atljonesbro]

This season:

1) CP3
2) Kobe
3) Durant
4) Irving
5) Carmelo

This season Joe Johnson has easily been top 5, and should be top 3. The fact of the matter is he doesn't have as many dick riders as those guys on the list so he doesnt get much coverage.

[tmacattack33]

I can only say that I've watched a few teams more than 30 or so times at the end of games. So all I know is that Chris Paul has been good, maybe even great. Durant = good. Lebron = bad, but not as bad as some people think, especially recently.

[Replay32]

Chris Paul

[BallsOut]

I'll go with Carmelo, but that's cause I've seen him more.

Amazing how just one clutch game from Kobe last Sunday can make people believe he's been clutch this year. People are dumb.

I think it's probably because he has more style, shots look nicer.

lol at this dumbass talking out of his ass. Kobe has had at least a dozen clutch games this season.

[Blue&Orange]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGOt9QoAxNs
lol that was an anomaly.

http://www.82games.com/1112/CSORT11.HTM


Kobe not even top10 clutch, his name even being on this thread is pure homerism.

[thelucifer69]

Kobe missed 2 GW in OKC game. That's mean he 4-14 in the most clutch situation - taking GW.

[Cangri]

Carmelo easily.

[BEAST Griffin]

The Kobe clutch myth....

Has one great clutch game and/or hits a game winner and all his misses and bad clutch games are erased from history and he is GODbe, LAWDbe, etc.

So brainwashed by highlights.

:facepalm :facepalm

[Boston C's]

Jesus does ray allen get any love around here... hes not the clutchest player of "the yr" hasnt had many oppurtunities to hit game winners but nobody ever talks about jesus... mark my words though if hes back for the playoffs he'll hit a usual game winner or 2 against someone like he does every playoffs for the celtics literally