why do people underrate Joe Johnson?

[Richesly]

Seriously, It's not that he's underrated, but people don't even say hes clutch. no one gives him props for anything. Joe is clutcher than CP3. Joe is clutcher than Kobe. Joe is clutcher than Melo or Durant.

Get over it.

[maybeshewill13]

No one likes the Hawks.

Get over it.

[ZenMaster]

No one likes the Hawks.

Get over it.

This, nobody likes the Hawks, no one cares.

[Richesly]

No one likes the Hawks.

Get over it.

Have fun getting eliminated in the 1st round.

umadbro?

[Richesly]

So, just because a player is on a team 'nobody' cares about, and even if he is the clutchest player in the nba, he doesnt exist because no one cares about that team?

god, this board makes realgm seem like the shit.

[ClutchOver9000]

Seriously, It's not that he's underrated, but people don't even say hes clutch. no one gives him props for anything. Joe is clutcher than CP3. Joe is clutcher than Kobe. Joe is clutcher than Melo or Durant.

Get over it.

#1. He's never fulfilled his "superstar" potential.

#2. He's as charismatic and appealing as Tim Duncan.

#3. He plays for the Hawks.

BTW no to all your statements so Idk what I'm even arguing

[qrich]

:oldlol:

[JGXEN]

Hawks fans seem to be the most attention deprived fans on ISH huh?

[LoneyROY7]

:roll:

[ZenMaster]

So, just because a player is on a team 'nobody' cares about, and even if he is the clutchest player in the nba, he doesnt exist because no one cares about that team?

god, this board makes realgm seem like the shit.

Well he does exists, but it's just nobody cares. He plays for the Hawks which no one considers a legit contender, so nobody is scared of them and in turn nobody is scared of him.

[LAClipsFan33]

Simple :

#1: F*ck the Hawks

#2 : F*ck Joe Johnson

[maybeshewill13]

Have fun getting eliminated in the 1st round.

umadbro?

Hahaha a Hawks fan! Classic :roll:

Notice the trend in this thread? Crawl back into your hole where you belong son.

[Kblaze8855]

Get over it?

People dont care about Joe Johnson. Not really. If they cared and formed strong opinions about anything but his contract him doing well would be something to get over.

As it is....he just does largely irrelevant things in the background of the league on a team that never has been or will be taken serious until they do more than almost matter.

There is nothing to get over. Joe Johnson is like...the 15th-40th best player in the league and that unusually wide range is that just because people dont care enough to really evaluate his standing.

One year he looks worse than Monta ellis one year hes maybe....nipping at the hells of 3rd tier stars?

Scoring 17 unimpressive points in a playoff loss?

Driving his Transformer F-650 around?

Im as big an NBA fan as you will ever find and I live an hour and change from Atlanta.

You know the most discussion ive ever heard about him? When a woman I knew like 10 years ago posted a facebook picture of them together after he hit on her outside Gladys Knights chicken and waffles in Atlanta.

And most of that discussion was about his white Aston Martin he took her for a ride in.

Thats Joe Johnson. A guy who is gonna fade away from the memory of this eras fans 40 minutes after he retires and will always be more famous for his contract and 200 thousand dollar train horn having truck that made white people mad on the internet.

If the Hawks win the title this year(.....) it likely just means Josh Smith played out of his mind while Joe played roughly on the level of Hersey Hawkins for 38 minutes a game and made 2 impressive late jumpers in 5 total playoff games that ended up being key.

Nothing he does at this point will make him a real star short of straight 2011 Dirking it in a round or two and guess what?

If he does it....Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Rose, and Paul NOT winning the title will be a bigger story than him beating them.

Joe Johnson is not and will not be a major figure in the league.

That is more of a "Get over it" situation.

Just saying is all...

[LAClipsFan33]

^^^ Ether...

[ShaqAttack3234]

He's not clutch, he had 2 of the most embarrassing playoff performances I've seen from a "franchise player" in '09 and '10, back to back years. I don't know how you can call a guy clutch after those performances.

He's a good player, and has deserved some of his all-star teams, but he's also gotten some others that he didn't deserve, got one of the most idiotic max contracts ever and is always talked about as Atlanta's star, yet there have been seasons when he wasn't even their best player.

If he wasn't overrated, and overpaid, he might get more credit because I actually like his skill set. Very good shooter and ball handler for a guy 6'7", versatile player who can pass, pretty good defender, and nice mid-range game and a crafty scorer with those floaters.

But I thought less of him after seeing him disappear in the '09 and '10 playoffs, and another flaw is that he seems soft. I mean, how often do you see him go hard all the way to the rim?

[ClutchOver9000]

Get over it?

People dont care about Joe Johnson. Not really. If they cared and formed strong opinions about anything but his contract him doing well would be something to get over.

As it is....he just does largely irrelevant things in the background of the league on a team that never has been or will be taken serious until they do more than almost matter.

There is nothing to get over. Joe Johnson is like...the 15th-40th best player in the league and that unusually wide range is that just because people dont care enough to really evaluate his standing.

One year he looks worse than Monta ellis one year hes maybe....nipping at the hells of 3rd tier stars?

Scoring 17 unimpressive points in a playoff loss?

Driving his Transformer F-650 around?

Im as big an NBA fan as you will ever find and I live an hour and change from Atlanta.

You know the most discussion ive ever heard about him? When a woman I knew like 10 years ago posted a facebook picture of them together after he hit on her outside Gladys Knights chicken and waffles in Atlanta.

And most of that discussion was about his white Aston Martin he took her for a ride in.

Thats Joe Johnson. A guy who is gonna fade away from the memory of this eras fans 40 minutes after he retires and will always be more famous for his contract and 200 thousand dollar train horn having truck that made white people mad on the internet.

If the Hawks win the title this year(.....) it likely just means Josh Smith played out of his mind while Joe played roughly on the level of Hersey Hawkins for 38 minutes a game and made 2 impressive late jumpers in 5 total playoff games that ended up being key.

Nothing he does at this point will make him a real star short of straight 2011 Dirking it in a round or two and guess what?

If he does it....Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Rose, and Paul NOT winning the title will be a bigger story than him beating them.

Joe Johnson is not and will not be a major figure in the league.

That is more of a "Get over it" situation.

Just saying is all...

:biggums: :eek: :lol

that shit that make your soul burn slow

[knickswin]

the thing about Joe is people expect him to lay down and die in playoff scenarios, and those people are always proved right.

but he is a really good player. if he were in a more winning culture, that would be better for him.

[Yung D-Will]

Maybe if KBlaze and Shaqattack wrote a letter to Atlanta's front office Joe Johnson would have never gotten that crazy contract.

[TeamLAC]

Seriously, It's not that he's underrated, but people don't even say hes clutch. no one gives him props for anything. Joe is clutcher than CP3. Joe is clutcher than Kobe. Joe is clutcher than Melo or Durant.

Get over it.
Stopped reading right there.

[Reverend Hoops]

It is the fact that he plays for the Hawks. If he was on the Knicks he would be overrated like Iman Shumpert is.

[Tenchi Ryu]

That fat ass paycheck he gets doesn't help.

[coin24]

The Hawks/Joe Johnson suck and no one gives a shit about them.

At least there wont be another Hawks/Magic series this year:facepalm Damn those are painful...

[BlackVVaves]

Get over it?

People dont care about Joe Johnson. Not really. If they cared and formed strong opinions about anything but his contract him doing well would be something to get over.

As it is....he just does largely irrelevant things in the background of the league on a team that never has been or will be taken serious until they do more than almost matter.

There is nothing to get over. Joe Johnson is like...the 15th-40th best player in the league and that unusually wide range is that just because people dont care enough to really evaluate his standing.

One year he looks worse than Monta ellis one year hes maybe....nipping at the hells of 3rd tier stars?

Scoring 17 unimpressive points in a playoff loss?

Driving his Transformer F-650 around?

Im as big an NBA fan as you will ever find and I live an hour and change from Atlanta.

You know the most discussion ive ever heard about him? When a woman I knew like 10 years ago posted a facebook picture of them together after he hit on her outside Gladys Knights chicken and waffles in Atlanta.

And most of that discussion was about his white Aston Martin he took her for a ride in.

Thats Joe Johnson. A guy who is gonna fade away from the memory of this eras fans 40 minutes after he retires and will always be more famous for his contract and 200 thousand dollar train horn having truck that made white people mad on the internet.

If the Hawks win the title this year(.....) it likely just means Josh Smith played out of his mind while Joe played roughly on the level of Hersey Hawkins for 38 minutes a game and made 2 impressive late jumpers in 5 total playoff games that ended up being key.

Nothing he does at this point will make him a real star short of straight 2011 Dirking it in a round or two and guess what?

If he does it....Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Rose, and Paul NOT winning the title will be a bigger story than him beating them.

Joe Johnson is not and will not be a major figure in the league.

That is more of a "Get over it" situation.

Just saying is all...

/thread.

/Joe Johnson's career.

/OP.

[No Evans!]

Joe Johnson is still laughing at you guys all the way to the bank

[ImmortalNemesis]

The hate for Joe Johnson is strong in this one. lol Damn OP, I bet you wish you'd never made this thread now huh? :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

People don't. He just isn't that good when it comes to that contract he has.

[Kblaze8855]

Joe Johnson is still laughing at you guys all the way to the bank

So is Adam Morrison. Doesnt make him an important player either.

"But hes rich!" has to be the most useless comment when someone famous is being discussed.

Everyone in question on basketball issues are or will be rich. But some are both rich and....great. And the rich part isnt in any way the issue. Thats just saying he plays in the NBA. Which I think is understood...

[LiLharvard]

OP should make a thread titled "Replace Joe Johnson with Jamal Crawford"

The topic would be relevant and the debate would be realistic.

Aside from that i don't really have anything to contribute because the topic is so irrelevant sorry guys :(

[maybeshewill13]

The Hawks/Joe Johnson suck and no one gives a shit about them.

At least there wont be another Hawks/Magic series this year:facepalm Damn those are painful...

:cheers:

[JGXEN]

Anyone thinks Johnson is a very poor man's LeBron James? Both are versatile players who can score, play the point, distribute the ball and make plays. But most importantly, both JJ and LBJ seems to be mentally soft.

[kumquat]

Get over it?

People dont care about Joe Johnson. Not really. If they cared and formed strong opinions about anything but his contract him doing well would be something to get over.

As it is....he just does largely irrelevant things in the background of the league on a team that never has been or will be taken serious until they do more than almost matter.

There is nothing to get over. Joe Johnson is like...the 15th-40th best player in the league and that unusually wide range is that just because people dont care enough to really evaluate his standing.

One year he looks worse than Monta ellis one year hes maybe....nipping at the hells of 3rd tier stars?

Scoring 17 unimpressive points in a playoff loss?

Driving his Transformer F-650 around?

Im as big an NBA fan as you will ever find and I live an hour and change from Atlanta.

You know the most discussion ive ever heard about him? When a woman I knew like 10 years ago posted a facebook picture of them together after he hit on her outside Gladys Knights chicken and waffles in Atlanta.

And most of that discussion was about his white Aston Martin he took her for a ride in.

Thats Joe Johnson. A guy who is gonna fade away from the memory of this eras fans 40 minutes after he retires and will always be more famous for his contract and 200 thousand dollar train horn having truck that made white people mad on the internet.

If the Hawks win the title this year(.....) it likely just means Josh Smith played out of his mind while Joe played roughly on the level of Hersey Hawkins for 38 minutes a game and made 2 impressive late jumpers in 5 total playoff games that ended up being key.

Nothing he does at this point will make him a real star short of straight 2011 Dirking it in a round or two and guess what?

If he does it....Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Rose, and Paul NOT winning the title will be a bigger story than him beating them.

Joe Johnson is not and will not be a major figure in the league.

That is more of a "Get over it" situation.

Just saying is all...

A simple u mad bro would have sufficed.

[Rake2204]

I also do not find many aspects of Joe Johnson's game to be exciting. That likely works against him as well. He sort of reminds me of Mitch Richmond or Shareef Abdur-Rahim, guys you know were putting up numbers but were just . . . kind of out there in some kind of NBA space void.

[Bigsmoke]

his contract didnt underrate him

[chips93]

i guess im the only non-hawks fan who finds his game appealing

he got a really versatile scoring arsenal, but isnt elite at anything


but he is a really good player. if he were in a more winning culture, that would be better for him.

but he a vet, and hes making like 20 million dollars this year, he should be setting the tone, instilling a winning culture



as for his contract, i dont think its as bad as people say. At least it wasnt as bad a decision as people make it out to be. He was gonna get paid by somebody, not as much as he got, but they had to pay him or he would have left.

and had he left what would they have done? what free agents could they have gotten without his contract? cross your fingers and hope that deron like atlanta? thats about your onl hope. without that, your just a middling team, not good enough to get a draft pick, and not good enough to contend

at least this way, they can peak as, maybe a conference finalist? maybe, say somebody gets injured? its a possibility

if i were a hawk fan, id rather that, than a 500 team with no real room for growth.

[Whoah10115]

Anyone thinks Johnson is a very poor man's LeBron James? Both are versatile players who can score, play the point, distribute the ball and make plays. But most importantly, both JJ and LBJ seems to be mentally soft.




Nope.




lol





I think he's a little similar to Mitch Richmond.

[allabouthawks]

he dosent get noticed that much cos he isnt a true superstar tbh the only time he does get notice is when evryone is lauphing at the hawks for the contract they gave him

on his day hes deserves that contract which tbh is often but other time he nowhere near deserves it like the games he just seems really lazy no demanding the ball and slow

[Kblaze8855]

and had he left what would they have done? what free agents could they have gotten without his contract? cross your fingers and hope that deron like atlanta? thats about your onl hope. without that, your just a middling team, not good enough to get a draft pick, and not good enough to contend


Is that not exactly what they have been for the last 6 years?

[TryToBeUnbias]

He's an underachiever

[DMAVS41]

When he is worth rating...we'll see how he rates.

17/5/4 on 42/38/76 splits 50% TS

You guessed it...the career playoff numbers of a max salary player in the NBA.

:lol :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Smoke117]

i guess im the only non-hawks fan who finds his game appealing

he got a really versatile scoring arsenal, but isnt elite at anything



but he a vet, and hes making like 20 million dollars this year, he should be setting the tone, instilling a winning culture



as for his contract, i dont think its as bad as people say. At least it wasnt as bad a decision as people make it out to be. He was gonna get paid by somebody, not as much as he got, but they had to pay him or he would have left.

and had he left what would they have done? what free agents could they have gotten without his contract? cross your fingers and hope that deron like atlanta? thats about your onl hope. without that, your just a middling team, not good enough to get a draft pick, and not good enough to contend

at least this way, they can peak as, maybe a conference finalist? maybe, say somebody gets injured? its a possibility

if i were a hawk fan, id rather that, than a 500 team with no real room for growth.

How is his contract not as bad as it seems? If we average up his stats: 19ppg 4.0rpg (3.7) 4.0apg...they are not close to worth 20 million dollars. This is probably the worst contract since Rashard Lewis. When he signed this contract he wasn't getting any better either, but worse. I know the Hawks franchise is desperate to keep any kind of "stars" they can, but it's a terrible contract.

[inclinerator]

cuz his name is joe johnson

[Pointguard]

Sometimes my favorite teams will play Atlanta. Josh Smith will make me watch him and I think, wow, that mofo got potential. Then I keep watching and you notice Al Horford, last year, and say that guy is useable and he's big. Then see Joe Johnson and think the same things but I am compelled to turn the channel and pick another game to watch.

For whatever the reason I won't know the score, or any other dynamic of the game. And I probably won't turn back to that game. I don't even know the number of the players and amuse myself with the fact that Marvin Williams actually got handles and reminds me a bit of Joe Johnson. Then I think of some invention I should go and get get the patent on. Joe Johnson???

[CelticBaller]

Hawks fans seem to be the most attention deprived fans on ISH huh?
they're the new spurs fans :lol

[chips93]

Is that not exactly what they have been for the last 6 years?

stuck as a 500. team <<< stuck as an above average playoff team


How is his contract not as bad as it seems? If we average up his stats: 19ppg 4.0rpg (3.7) 4.0apg...they are not close to worth 20 million dollars. This is probably the worst contract since Rashard Lewis. When he signed this contract he wasn't getting any better either, but worse. I know the Hawks franchise is desperate to keep any kind of "stars" they can, but it's a terrible contract.

context

i explained my reasoning in the very post that you quoted

[LockoutOver11]

didnt average 20 pts per game :(

[LiLharvard]

Kevin Youklis just crushed Phil Humber pitch into the bleachers with the bases loaded!!!!
Graaaaaaaanddslaaaam

[LiLharvard]

Saltalamachia just followed it up with another home run.

[nbacardDOTnet]

media and even NBA.com

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Atlanta%20Hawks/Joe%20Johnson/c20a284a.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Atlanta%20Hawks/Joe%20Johnson/d4b452d6.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Atlanta%20Hawks/Joe%20Johnson/VS/Untitled-111-1.gif

"Hey, I'm not Rajon Rondo !!"

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Atlanta%20Hawks/Joe%20Johnson/VS/JoeJohnson-AtlantaHawks-halfcourt-buzzerbeater.gif

[SpaceJammeR]

joe johnson is clutch as fk.

[CelticBaller]

watch the finals 2 minutes of the last game and you'll know why, the guy never wanted the ball :oldlol:

[bdreason]

He's the 3rd highest paid player in the NBA. Is he the 3rd best player?

[Smoke117]

Third highest players work done in five games this playoffs:

GP:5 MPG: 39.8 PPG: 17.2 RPG: 4.0 APG 3.6 1.4spg 2.8topg

Shotspergame: 17.0 FG%: .365 3PT%: .233

SHIT! I don't understand it either. Why is he so underrated!? :D Oh shit I forgot about tonights game...well 7/17fg 2/6 3pt...I don't think that was going to help much and he do didn't much else besides in those 44 mins he played. So yeah he's getting paid 18 million dollars to do...that. Next year he'll get over 19.5 mil, the following year, over 20 mil, yada yada up until teh 2014 season when in his final season of his contract the Hawks will be paying him 24 ****ing million dollars..................

[HylianNightmare]

Have fun getting eliminated in the 1st round.

umadbro?
:pimp:

[hawksdogsbraves]

Joe Johnson killed basketball in the city of Atlanta

[Kblaze8855]

Third highest players work done in five games this playoffs:

GP:5 MPG: 39.8 PPG: 17.2 RPG: 4.0 APG 3.6 1.4spg 2.8topg

Shotspergame: 17.0 FG%: .365 3PT%: .233



And it might not even be his second worst playoff series since he became a "star".

[DMAVS41]

Dude is such a clown for the money. Really a shame. If the Hawks had used that money on actually building out their team they could be contenders right now.

Max contract? Damn....

[Hotlantadude81]

I understood after his second year as a Hawk that Joe Johnson was a loser. It took lots of others alot longer to see it.

[Gear2]

Third highest players work done in five games this playoffs:

GP:5 MPG: 39.8 PPG: 17.2 RPG: 4.0 APG 3.6 1.4spg 2.8topg

Shotspergame: 17.0 FG%: .365 3PT%: .233

SHIT! I don't understand it either. Why is he so underrated!? :D Oh shit I forgot about tonights game...well 7/17fg 2/6 3pt...I don't think that was going to help much and he do didn't much else besides in those 44 mins he played. So yeah he's getting paid 18 million dollars to do...that. Next year he'll get over 19.5 mil, the following year, over 20 mil, yada yada up until teh 2014 season when in his final season of his contract the Hawks will be paying him 24 ****ing million dollars..................

Did he actually shoot only 17% for the series? :wtf:

[Whoah10115]

Did he actually shoot only 17% for the series? :wtf:



It was kinda hard to read. But it was 17PPG and .365 from the field, .233 from 3.



Before Game 6, when his averages slightly went up lol.

[chips93]

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Dude is such a clown for the money. Really a shame. If the Hawks had used that money on actually building out their team they could be contenders right now.[QUOTE]

they could?

[Kblaze8855]

If they get Howard Joe will be where he belongs. As a 3rd or 4th best player on a contender.

[hawkfan]

If they get Howard Joe will be where he belongs. As a 3rd or 4th best player on a contender.

As a third option's, he's perfect.

But let's get real, at the end of games for the Nets, he will be the go-to guy since Howard can't hit free throws and Williams is not a go to guy (he's a facilitator).

[Kblaze8855]

Williams looked like one down the stretch of a hell of a lot of games for the Jazz. Ive never seen Joe Johnson seem as takeover..y....as Deron vs the Spurs in like 07. And they didnt even win that series.

[TeamLAC]

Seriously, It's not that he's underrated, but people don't even say hes clutch. no one gives him props for anything. Joe is clutcher than CP3. Joe is clutcher than Kobe. Joe is clutcher than Melo or Durant.

Get over it.
Stopped right there.