How is Kobe Bryant overrated?

[Scholar]

What about him is "overrated"?

I see this get thrown around quite a bit by NBA fans (usually Kobe/Laker haters).

Is it his scoring ability, his shooting ability, his championship runs, his recognition now as one of the top 10 best players of all-time, his leadership, his drive to succeed..? What?

I am a Lakers fan, but I'm nowhere near a Kobe dick rider; however, I just don't understand when people say, "Kobe is overrated." Why is he overrated? How is he overrated? Where is he overrated?

Please explain.

[The Iron Fist]

What about him is "overrated"?

I see this get thrown around quite a bit by NBA fans (usually Kobe/Laker haters).

Is it his scoring ability, his shooting ability, his championship runs, his recognition now as one of the top 10 best players of all-time, his leadership, his drive to succeed..? What?

I am a Lakers fan, but I'm nowhere near a Kobe dick rider; however, I just don't understand when people say, "Kobe is overrated." Why is he overrated? How is he overrated? Where is he overrated?

Please explain.

:lol he pwayed wif Shack and didn't win with Smush prkers and quame Browne. :lol

[Scoooter]

People think he's good, but he actually sucks.

[Kurosawa0]

Depends on how you rate Kobe. One of 10-12 greatest players ever? That's justifiable. Greatest ever? Overrated.

[lebeast666]

Pretty simple, a chucker carried to 5 rings

[Jotaro Durant]

only overrated by ppl who put him in top 5 which mostly fanboys.
unbias have him 6-10 he 7 for me.
the ppl who hate and underrated him have him 11-20. historically he get more underrated from i seen

[DuMa]

never dominated in the Finals.
never lived up to his all-defensive team accolades.
never had the same impact as the players he is ranked with.
volume shooter.

[Heavincent]

never dominated in the Finals.
never lived up to his all-defensive team accolades.
never had the same impact as the players he is ranked with.
volume shooter.

Wow, 24,000+ posts of nothing but bullshit. Impressive :applause:

[Maniak]

Because some people think that he's better than people like Jordan, Abdul-Jabbar, etc.

[LAClipsFan33]

Because some people think that he's better than people like Jordan, Abdul-Jabbar, etc.

This.

[Figlo]

His defense is way overrated, It might be good when he actually tries. But how often is that? 4th quarter last possession maybe lol...Whenever he won championships the teams he were on was always head & shoulders above the rest of the L only one was actually competitive and that was the one against Celtics and he didn't even deserve finals MVP that series lol we all know they won because Perk got hurt but i'm just gonna stop here. He is an all-time great definently top 15. Only overrated when being compared to Jordan.

[StateOfMind12]

I would say Kobe is overrated today but he definitely is not overrated in terms of legacy and his placement in the all-time list. The only way you can overrate Kobe's legacy and all-time list is if you state that he is a top 3-5 player of all-time which he isn't although he should have been.

[stallionaire]

Shaq won his early rings, Gasol won his late rings.

You can't say that about MJ.

[LoneyROY7]

Pretty simple, a chucker carried to 5 rings

That's 5 more then LeBoondock.

[The Iron Fist]

Shaq won his early rings, Gasol won his late rings.

You can't say that about MJ.
Bj Armstrong won Jordan's early rings. Rodman his late rings.


Yea, I can.

[maybeshewill13]

Bj Armstrong won Jordan's early rings. Rodman his late rings.


Yea, I can.

:roll:

[Jotaro Durant]

Shaq won his early rings, Gasol won his late rings.

You can't say that about MJ.
shaq one his fist one. it was 1a 1b the other 2.

[Rooster]

Shaq won his early rings, Gasol won his late rings.

You can't say that about MJ.

Gasol never won a playoff game.

And MJ never won a playoff series without Pippen.

Though Kobe will never greater than MJ.

He will definitely be in top 10 when all things said and done.

[gengiskhan]

Depends on how you rate Kobe. One of 10-12 greatest players ever? That's justifiable. Greatest ever? Overrated.

This.

Kobe is often "pushed over" literally in 6-10 all-time great list.

Hakeem is underrated.
Shaq is underrated.
Big 0 is underrated.
russell is underrated.
Duncan is underrated.
Chuck is underrated.

If Kobe is # 11, I dont mind. I think he is 12th all-time great list. #11 is also fine for 2 FMVPs over Barkley.

his game is too 1-dimentional to call him Top 10 or Top 8.

He is getting to the NBA Finals regularly thanks to the Laker's franchise & supporting cast & greatest of all time coach Phil Jackson.

Once he gets there. The Hakeem-like, Shaq-like dominance is clearly missing.

Kobe knows he has to be just 'good' enough to win FMVP. thats what bother me. His finals games are too mediocre.

His defense is "good" & definitely not "great" or "all-time great." LA fans & media acts like he is the greatest defensive stopper to grace the NBA since Pippen. But most of the time, Kobe's defense is just "above average." only when he tries hard its "good".

NBA, ESPN, LA media all of them cannot wait to annoint Kobe a Top 5 GOAT status when he is not even Top 10. But they sold the "Kobe is Top 10 all-time" very well for ratings, game tickets etc etc.

Kobe is all-time great. just like Top 20 GOATs are all-time great players.

Kobe is just not Top 10 atleast yet.

[ralph_i_el]

he is overrated by people who say he's the GOAT or Vice-GOAT to MJ

[Xiao Yao You]

never dominated in the Finals.
never lived up to his all-defensive team accolades.
never had the same impact as the players he is ranked with.
volume shooter.

Never won anything other than scoring titles without Phil Jackson.

[lebeast666]

That's 5 more then LeBoondock.

lol and this season will be 1 more than Carmarshmelo

[Mr. Jabbar]

Depends on how you rate Kobe. One of 10-12 greatest players ever? That's justifiable. Greatest ever? Overrated.


shut up biased hater.

[bwink23]

When his name started getting thrown around with MJ's, then he became overrated.

[Legends66NBA7]

Should ask Bruce Blitz that question, OP.

He says fans are disrespectful to the history of the game for putting Kobe Bryant in their Top 10 lists.

[Heavincent]

Should ask Bruce Blitz that question, OP.

He says fans are disrespectful to the history of the game for putting Kobe Bryant in their Top 10 lists.

Bruce Blitz isn't even sane, so...

[Legends66NBA7]

To answer the question, to me he gets overrated when you compare him to guys like Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, etc...

He's great, but not THAT great.

There's also been overrating of his scoring and defense. He still lacks some defining "moments" in the playoffs. And off course, his performances in the Finals aren't anything to brag about.

[gengiskhan]

Should ask Bruce Blitz that question, OP.

He says fans are disrespectful to the history of the game for putting Kobe Bryant in their Top 10 lists.

think about it.

-Is it hakeem's fault not getting drafted by Lakers or Celtics, NBAs winningest franchises.

-Is it Big O's fault not getting drafted by Lakers or Celtics & averaging triple double seasons with them.

-Did Shaq did not dominate 1999-2004 early decade, especially the finals & kept Spurs twin towers from winning back-2-back rings.

-NBA fans have long term memory loss. For them even magic & bird cannot match up to Kobe bryant.

[ProfessorMurder]

Pretty simple, a chucker carried to 5 rings

+ Rapist

/thread

[Legends66NBA7]

However, I will say this.

Lakers win the title this year and Kobe can play to form of his 08-10 playoff runs... I'll say you can't ever call him overrated. Just look at how deep some of the teams this year are in the playoffs.

Oh yeah, people on this forum calling him a god/deity.... yeah, that's pretty overrated too and stupid.

[pauk]

Because some people think that he's better individual player than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Adrian Dantley
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Garnett
prime Grant Hill
prime Tracy McGrady
prime Tiny Archibald
Bernard King
Rick Barry
Bob McAdoo
Alex English
Shaquille Oneal

etc.

Because some people think that he had a more accomplished/valuable career than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille Oneal
Bill Russell

[Legends66NBA7]

think about it.

-Is it hakeem's fault not getting drafted by Lakers or Celtics, NBAs winningest franchises.

-Is it Big O's fault not getting drafted by Lakers or Celtics & averaging triple double seasons with them.

-Did Shaq did not dominate 1999-2004 early decade, especially the finals & kept Spurs twin towers from winning back-2-back rings.

-NBA fans have long term memory loss. For them even magic & bird cannot match up to Kobe bryant.

While those are some valid points (I don't agree with today's fans saying Magic and Bird not matching up with Kobe, since I see a lot of lists both of them over Kobe.), Kobe is still pretty close to the Top 10 in most lists.

Don't you have him close to your Top 10 anyways ? Like if he's Top 11 or 12, how is disrespectful ? What's the magic number of 11 to 12 or 10 to 11 ?

That still saying he's close, if not already in. So his statement comes off as arrogant. It's not disrespectful to see him that high, at least when he can still add to his legacy. Those that are retired, Barkley, Malone (Moses and Karl), Big O, etc... cannot.

So that's still going to be to his advantage.

[Fiasco]

Did pauk just insinuate Bryant wasn't as good of a player as LeBron?

Dude, sit the **** down.

[Myth]

Only things that makes him overrated is the constant comparisons to Jordan (not the comparisons of style of play, but the comparison of the overall impact) and frequent Kobe homers calling him "God" or "Gawd" or some equivalent. Kobe is the best player we have seen in some time, and I think younger fans can't comprehend what it looks like to see somebody who was better than him, thus they overrate him.

Otherwise by the media and fans who have been following the NBA for 20+ years, he is usually rated just fine.

[gengiskhan]

While those are some valid points (I don't agree with today's fans saying Magic and Bird not matching up with Kobe, since I see a lot of lists both of them over Kobe.), Kobe is still pretty close to the Top 10 in most lists.

Don't you have him close to your Top 10 anyways ? Like if he's Top 11 or 12, how is disrespectful ? What's the magic number of 11 to 12 or 10 to 11 ?

That still saying he's close, if not already in. So his statement comes off as arrogant. It's not disrespectful to see him that high, at least when he can still add to his legacy. Those that are retired, Barkley, Malone (Moses and Karl), Big O, etc... cannot.

So that's still going to be to his advantage.

Ok. cool. your pts are pretty valid. I respect your views.

[G-Funk]

What about him is "overrated"?

I see this get thrown around quite a bit by NBA fans (usually Kobe/Laker haters).

Is it his scoring ability, his shooting ability, his championship runs, his recognition now as one of the top 10 best players of all-time, his leadership, his drive to succeed..? What?

I am a Lakers fan, but I'm nowhere near a Kobe dick rider; however, I just don't understand when people say, "Kobe is overrated." Why is he overrated? How is he overrated? Where is he overrated?

Please explain.


u answered ur own question.

[SuperPippen]

Because some people think that he's better individual player than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Adrian Dantley
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Garnett
prime Grant Hill
prime Tracy McGrady
prime Tiny Archibald
Bernard King
Rick Barry
Bob McAdoo
Alex English
Shaquille Oneal

etc.

Because some people think that he had a more accomplished/valuable career than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille Oneal
Bill Russell

Kobe is a better individual player than all of those bolded. Some others are arguable as well.

[Dictator]

Because some people think that he's better individual player than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Adrian Dantley
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Garnett
prime Grant Hill
prime Tracy McGrady
prime Tiny Archibald
Bernard King
Rick Barry
Bob McAdoo
Alex English
Shaquille Oneal

etc.

Because some people think that he had a more accomplished/valuable career than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille Oneal
Bill Russell


:facepalm :facepalm Not worth responding to.

Do we really need to post everything Kobe has done in career?

[Heavincent]

Because some people think that he's better individual player than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Adrian Dantley
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Garnett
prime Grant Hill
prime Tracy McGrady
prime Tiny Archibald
Bernard King
Rick Barry
Bob McAdoo
Alex English
Shaquille Oneal

etc.

Because some people think that he had a more accomplished/valuable career than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille Oneal
Bill Russell

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[Mr. Jabbar]

pauk
bwink23
Kurosawa0
lebeast666
DuMa (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=24535)
gengiskhan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=103824)
ProfessorMurder (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=55707)



those guys, you just dont take seriosuly when discussing kobe

[Cali Syndicate]

Second best SG all time. Most likely cements himself as a top 10 player when it's all said and done.

He's not as overrated as much as he is hated. Bryant has been a beast practically his entire career. I'm not a fan of his but I do respect his game. Somewhat of a chucker but in all realness, who cares? He lived up to the hype, that's all I can say and I won't lie, I'm one who has practically rooted against him his entire career.

[Cali Syndicate]

Because some people think that he's better individual player than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Adrian Dantley
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Garnett
prime Grant Hill
prime Tracy McGrady
prime Tiny Archibald
Bernard King
Rick Barry
Bob McAdoo
Alex English
Shaquille Oneal

etc.

Because some people think that he had a more accomplished/valuable career than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille Oneal
Bill Russell

Dude you're crazy.

[Jotaro Durant]

pauk
bwink23
Kurosawa0
lebeast666
DuMa (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=24535)
gengiskhan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=103824)
ProfessorMurder (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=55707)



those guys, you just dont take seriosuly when discussing kobe
this
dont take any serious discussing ball generally. specially the asians there dont know why they even watch ball

[LoneyROY7]

pauk
bwink23
Kurosawa0
lebeast666
DuMa (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=24535)
gengiskhan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=103824)
ProfessorMurder (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=55707)



those guys, you just dont take seriosuly when discussing kobe

+100.

[Dictator]

Because some people think that he's better individual player than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Adrian Dantley
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
Moses Malone
Kevin Garnett
prime Grant Hill
prime Tracy McGrady
prime Tiny Archibald
Bernard King
Rick Barry
Bob McAdoo
Alex English
Shaquille Oneal

etc.

Because some people think that he had a more accomplished/valuable career than people like:
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
Tim Duncan
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille Oneal
Bill Russell


:roll: :roll: :lol :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

lol and this season will be 1 more than Carmarshmelo

LeBron stans have been saying this since '07...and yet he always ends up with a big donut hole in the championship department.

[jstern]

I think it's because he's accomplished a lot, but through extreme luck. Like unlike other all time greats, he really doesn't have that many great lengendary playoff moments. It's a 40th percent finals shooter, misses a lot of game winning shots that a teammate would rebound and win the game. Those types of moment far out weight legendary moments. Then starting out playing with prime Shaq. It's a long list. Honestly that's pretty much the reason.

Also a ton of irrational teenage fanboys that despite all those reasons I stated want to place him as the greatest basketball player that every played.

[thelucifer69]

Kobe lead Lakers to 5 rings.

Kobe the most clutch player in the league/history.

Kobe the Greatest scorer.

Kobe the Greatest of all time.

Kobe the God.

Kobe the Coach of the year.

And that's how Kobe overrated

Beside those he's great player

[jstern]

This from another thread, posted by so guy named anaximandro

GM Survey: If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?


2002
1. Shaquille O'Neal,L.A. Lakers
2. Tim Duncan,San Antonio

2003
1. Tim Duncan,San Antonio
2. Shaquille O'Neal,L.A. Lakers

2004
1 Tim Duncan, San Antonio 47.6%
2 Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 28.6%
3 LeBron James, Cleveland 14.3%
4 Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 9.5

2005
1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 40.0%
2. LeBron James, Cleveland 36.0%
3. Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 8.0%
4. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix 8.0%

2006
1 LeBron James, Cleveland 71.4%
2 Dwyane Wade, Miami 10.7%

2007

1. LeBron James, Cleveland 59.3%
2. Dwight Howard, Orlando 25.9%
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 11.1%
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 11.1%
5. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 3.7%

2008

1. LeBron James -- 66.7%
2. Kobe Bryant -- 18.5%
3. Dwight Howard -- 11.1%
4. Chris Paul - 3.7%

2009

1. LeBron James, Cleveland 78.6%
2. Dwight Howard, Orlando 14.3%
3. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 7.1%

2010

1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City 55.6%
2. LeBron James, Miami 25.9%
3. Dwight Howard, Magic 7.4%
Kobe Bryant, Lakers 7.4%
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami 3.7%

I just can't imagine a top ten guy being overshadow so many times by so many players. The guy is just overrated. Great but overrated.

[Sampsonsimpson]

The reason he is overrated has nothing to do with how good the guy is. Because Kobe Bryant is a GREAT basketball player. The reason he is overrated is because of how many obsessive Kobe fans there are who insist he is the greatest player of all time and is better than Jordan, which he just is not.

The only argument they ever seem to have is the fact that Kobe's career high in points scored in a single game is higher than Jordans. They say such ridiculous stuff and are impossible to reason with that I think it honestly just kind of makes people resent Kobe Bryant himself, just because of some of his fans which is not fair because the guy is a great player.

If people would just be honest and accept that he is a top 10 player all time and the 2nd best SG of all time, then he would be rated exactly where he needs to be.

And if these crazy Kobe fans would stop being so ridiculous and polarizing fans over Kobe and Jordan. Its just not fair to Kobe or Jordan or anyone else on this forum for that matter.

[longtime lurker]

Shaq won his early rings, Gasol won his late rings.

You can't say that about MJ.

I guess if something is thrown around a lot then people start to think it's true. No matter how fvcking stupid it is.

[Doctor Rivers]

This from another thread, posted by so guy named anaximandro

GM Survey: If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?



I just can't imagine a top ten guy being overshadow so many times by so many players. The guy is just overrated. Great but overrated.

Nice, now take a look at this:


2002 GM Survey
Who is the NBA's best shooting guard?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 92.3%
(Others receiving votes: Jordan, Pierce)

2002 GM Survey
Who is the player most likely to make a last-second shot if a game depended on it?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 42.3%
2. Reggie Miller, Indiana 38.5%
3. Michael Jordan, Washington 15.4%
(Others receiving votes: Iverson)


2003 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 52.4%
2. Tracy McGrady, Orlando 33.3%
(Others receiving votes: Pierce, Allen, Iverson)

2003 GM Survey
Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 52.4%
2. Reggie Miller, Indiana 14.3%
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 9.5%
(Others receiving votes: Stojakovic, McGrady, Van Exel, Allen, Pierce)


2004 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers 100.0%

2004 GM Survey
Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 81.0%
(Others receiving votes: Duncan, Houston, Miller, Nowitzki)


2005 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 56.0%
2. Dwyane Wade, Miami 28.0%
3. Ray Allen, Seattle 8.0%
(Others receiving votes: James, McGrady)

2005 GM Survey
Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 61.5%
2. Ray Allen, Seattle 15.4%
(Others receiving votes: Billups, Cassell, Duncan, Horry, Pierce)


2006 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 71.4%
2. Dwyane Wade, Miami 21.4%
(Others receiving votes: McGrady, Redd)

2006 GM Survey
Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 74.1%
2. Dwyane Wade, Miami 14.8%
(Others receiving votes: Anthony, Arenas, Billups)


2007 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 92.6%
(Others receiving votes: Allen, Wade)

2007 GM Survey
Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 88.5%
(Others receiving votes: Anthony, Duncan, Nash)


2008 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 92.6%
(Others receiving votes: Allen, Wade)

2008 GM Survey
Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 88.9%
(Others receiving votes: Arenas, James, Pierce)


2009 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 89.7%
(Others receiving votes: Allen, Roy, Wade)

2009 GM Survey
Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 89.7%
2. Paul Pierce, Boston 6.9%
(Others receiving votes: Anthony)


2010 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 85.7%
2. Dwyane Wade, Miami 10.7%
(Others receiving votes: Durant)

2010 GM Survey
Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 78.6%
2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver 7.1%
Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City 7.1%
(Others receiving votes: Nowitzki, Wade)


2011 GM Survey
Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 55.6%
2. Dwyane Wade, Miami 40.7%
(Others receiving votes: Allen)

2011 GM Survey
Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 48.1%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City 30.8%
(Others receiving votes: Allen, Anthony, Ginobili, Nowitzki, Paul, Wade)

:confusedshrug:

[EnoughSaid]

It's just that when people put Kobe up there with MJ, Magic and the GREATEST, that's when he's overrated.

[LakersReign]

It's just that when people put Kobe up there with MJ, Magic and the GREATEST, that's when he's overrated.

Of course....of course.:rolleyes:

But when people who know nothing about basketball, try to put Lebron up there with those guys, who he has absolutely nothing in common with. It means he's NOT overrated...right?:sleeping


Try again:no:

[EnoughSaid]

Of course....of course.:rolleyes:

But when people who know nothing about basketball, try to put Lebron up there with those guys, who he has absolutely nothing in common with. It means he's NOT overrated...right?:sleeping


Try again:no:

Do you hear me saying anything about LeBron? :facepalm It's just that Kobe is not as GREAT as Michael or Magic and it's not even close.

[White Mamba]

Of course....of course.:rolleyes:

But when people who know nothing about basketball, try to put Lebron up there with those guys, who he has absolutely nothing in common with. It means he's NOT overrated...right?:sleeping


Try again:no:
:roll: :applause:

[amfirst]

Do you hear me saying anything about LeBron? :facepalm It's just that Kobe is not as GREAT as Michael or Magic and it's not even close.

Not MJ, but Kobe is better than magic and will prob retire as goat Laker.

[LakersReign]

Do you hear me saying anything about LeBron? :facepalm It's just that Kobe is not as GREAT as Michael or Magic and it's not even close.

Please.:rolleyes:

An OBVIOUS Lebronyte trying to call another player overrated, wreaks of blind hypocrisy, so stop tryna act.:facepalm

[EnoughSaid]

Please.:rolleyes:

A Lebronyte trying to call another player overrated wreaks of blind hypocrisy, so stop tryna act.

A Lebronyte? What the hell? LeBron's not even my favorite player. :facepalm

[LakersReign]

A Lebronyte? What the hell? LeBron's not even my favorite player. :facepalm

...which had absolutely nothing to do with you joining ISH on July 2010....right?:roll:

[jstern]

Nice, now take a look at this:



:confusedshrug:

Are you kidding me. I show a list showing how other players over shadow Kobe, something that wouldn't be so with other all time greats, and you show me that as if that's going to take the point away.

Like I mentioned, Kobe has been over shadow by too many players something that you can't say about all time greats, and that list you showed me doesn't change that.

Lots of accomplishments, buck lacking legendary playoff performances, and over shadow my other players. That's what makes Kobe so polarizing and that's why so many say he's overrated.

[EnoughSaid]

...which had absolutely nothing to do with you joining ISH on July 2010....right?:roll:

Maybe I wanted to see how basketball fans were reacting to LeBron's Decision? :facepalm He's not my favorite player, and he's NOT the reason I like the Miami Heat.

[LakersReign]

Maybe I wanted to see how basketball fans were reacting to LeBron's Decision? :facepalm He's not my favorite player, and he's NOT the reason I like the Miami Heat.

Backpeddle all you want, I could care less. If you were really a Heat fan, you would've been a Heat fan BEFORE July 2010.:no:

Stop embarrassing yourself.:facepalm

[EnoughSaid]

Backpeddle all you want, I could care less. If you were really a Heat fan, you would've been a Heat fan BEFORE July 2010.:no:

Stop embarrassing yourself.:facepalm

I never thought of joining a basketball forum before the Decision. Never thought there was anything to talk about really. And I've liked the Heat since Wade's 08-09 MVP campaign.

[Alamo]

I never thought of joining a basketball forum before the Decision. Never thought there was anything to talk about really. And I've liked the Heat since Wade's 08-09 MVP campaign.

Isn't it past your bedtime?

[LakersReign]

I never thought of joining a basketball forum before the Decision. Never thought there was anything to talk about really. And I've liked the Heat since Wade's 08-09 MVP campaign.

Right:rolleyes:

So...it's just HUGE coincidence that you SUDDENLY decided to join an NBA forum on July 2010, the same year the Heat signed Lebron? So....you're supposedly such a big Heat fan, who never felt the need to go on an NBA forum to support your team PRIOR to July 2010? Which simply means you were never a real Heat fan to begin with.:facepalm



Nice try:applause:

[EnoughSaid]

Right:rolleyes:

So...it's just HUGE coincidence that you SUDDENLY decided to join an NBA forum on July 2010, the same year the Heat signed Lebron? So....you're supposedly such a big Heat fan, who never felt the need to go on an NBA forum to support your team PRIOR to July 2010? Which simply means you were never a real Heat fan to begin with.:facepalm

Nice try:applause:

Like I've said before, I never felt the need to join a basketball forum. So after the Decision, I was like, "Let me see what people are saying..." and then joined. Why is that such a crime? Joining on a specific date makes me a bandwagoner and a LeBron dick-rider now? :facepalm

[The Choken One]

He's only overrated when people honestly consider him GOAT.

He's locked in as a top 10 player alltime...his exact position just depends on the person.

I have him somewhere from 5 to 7... otherwise, he's far from overrated.

EDIT: Strong bandwagon denial on the post above...:lol

[LakersReign]

He's only overrated when people honestly consider him GOAT.

He's locked in as a top 10 player alltime...his exact position just depends on the person.

I have him somewhere from 5 to 7... otherwise, he's far from overrated.

EDIT: Strong bandwagon denial on the post above...:lol

He can deny it all he wants to means nothing to nobody but himself. The fact of the matter is if you SUDDENLY felt this URGENT NEED to become a Heat fan on July 2010, and ONLY chose to rep them AFTER July 2010, while cliaming you've supposedly been a Heat fan the whole time, then you're a Lebronyte. Simple as that.

[k0kakw0rld]

He's only overrated when people honestly consider him GOAT.

He's locked in as a top 10 player alltime...his exact position just depends on the person.

I have him somewhere from 5 to 7... otherwise, he's far from overrated.

EDIT: Strong bandwagon denial on the post above...
5 to 7? :lol more like 10.

[RazorBaLade]

He's only overrated when people honestly consider him GOAT.

He's locked in as a top 10 player alltime...his exact position just depends on the person.

I have him somewhere from 5 to 7... otherwise, he's far from overrated.

EDIT: Strong bandwagon denial on the post above...:lol

nobody honestly considers him goat. those are only fake lies spread by jordan and lebron retards that need to give reasons to shit on kobes achievements

[rfoster24]

Right:rolleyes:

So...it's just HUGE coincidence that you SUDDENLY decided to join an NBA forum on July 2010, the same year the Heat signed Lebron? So....you're supposedly such a big Heat fan, who never felt the need to go on an NBA forum to support your team PRIOR to July 2010? Which simply means you were never a real Heat fan to begin with.:facepalm



Nice try:applause:

The reason people hate Kobe is bcuz of all the stupid Laker fans, bandwagoners and dirty mexicans like this guy.

[LakersReign]

Yet another ISH clown, telling me things about myself that i never knew until they bring them up:sleeping

So...I'm supposedly Mexican now? Why cuz I'm a Laker fan and ALL Laker fan MUST live in L.A......right? So...according the the ISH clowns, I'm supposedly Asian/Euro/French/Mexican. But the minute I ask for proof, they all disappear. Then he has the nerve to try and call other people stupid.:facepalm

Hilarious:roll:

[Ancient Legend]

Kobe is a entitled brat, a chucker if there ever was one.

How many players could put similar stats if they shot 30 fga per game? Lots. And I would guess with better fg%.
Funny how he has still to get a playoff triple double, while Bynum got one yesterday. Kobe puts 38 pts 4 rebs 2 asts. Compare that to Pierce's game, 36 pts, 14 rebs, 4 asts and with better fg%.

I've hated Kobe since he was still in his father's balls.

[Round Mound]

1- Because he is being seen as if he was somewhat of a New MJ (The Best Ever) and he is closer to Jerry West and Clyde Drexler than to MJ.

2-Most of his Career he has been lucky to play with Great Teamates and Players In Their Primes Within His Own Prime such as Shaq The Best Player of the Late 90ss and Early00s and Now an All Star Twin Tower System of Gasol/Bynym...unlike some other More Dominant and Efficient Superstars...Thereby His Rings

3-His Production is Not as Efficient as Other Greats...even those Who Did Not Win Rings or Won Few Rings

4-His Fans are the Worst Most Blinded People in the World for Player Comparissons.

[TOUCH MY BODY]

Black Mamba :bowdown:

[bdreason]

He gets overrated when people try to rank him over great Bigs like Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem. Then you have real crazy fans who try to rank him over Magic, Bird, and even MJ.


Kobe is a great player. I have him as the 10th greatest player of all-time, because of his achievements... but his overall impact on any particular game is often overrated.

[trooper]

Are you kidding me. I show a list showing how other players over shadow Kobe, something that wouldn't be so with other all time greats, and you show me that as if that's going to take the point away.

Like I mentioned, Kobe has been over shadow by too many players something that you can't say about all time greats, and that list you showed me doesn't change that.

Lots of accomplishments, buck lacking legendary playoff performances, and over shadow my other players. That's what makes Kobe so polarizing and that's why so many say he's overrated.

Okay, you showed one criteria of who GM's would draft :applause:

How does one criteria mean he's 'overshadowed' in general? And how does that take away from his greatness, if a GM wants to draft Shaq, Duncan or LeBron over him? It's debatable, but I'd probably draft those three above MJ.

And for people using the 'luck' factor, GTFO. Why should it take away from a player's accomplishments if he's been with a good organization, or been lucky with teammates. MJ had a stacked supporting cast, Magic did, Bird did, Russell did, Shaq did.

[Doctor Rivers]

Are you kidding me. I show a list showing how other players over shadow Kobe, something that wouldn't be so with other all time greats, and you show me that as if that's going to take the point away.

Like I mentioned, Kobe has been over shadow by too many players something that you can't say about all time greats, and that list you showed me doesn't change that.

Lots of accomplishments, buck lacking legendary playoff performances, and over shadow my other players. That's what makes Kobe so polarizing and that's why so many say he's overrated.

I did take your argument away because the evidence to support that argument (GM surveys) proves nothing.

Are you kidding me?!?

[INDI]

never dominated in the Finals.
never lived up to his all-defensive team accolades.
never had the same impact as the players he is ranked with.
volume shooter.

But he has dominated the playoffs!!! Who the heck cares about not dominating finals when his average for the playoffs is off the charts ( only people with agendas do that.

How do you know if he never lived up to his defensive accolades when clearly people voted for him, and these are not fans voting these are actually NBA analysts ( I willing to bet that you have no idea who truly deserved their spots because EVERY year there are players who get robbed because they are not popular).

Never had the same impact?????? Kobe's impact on a game has been relevant for over a decade. There's a reason why coaches have strategies and design defenses just to figure out how to stop him ( again your judgement is cloudy)

[INDI]

Kobe is not the best dunker in the league, nor does he have the greatest moves, neither is he the best shooter, leading scorer or any of that. So why do people think he has sooooooo many fans and that we are all delusional? If we wanted to find the greatest at these feats we could easily pick another player to follow.

Maybe just maybe what we say about him is correct, maybe this dude really did have that special something that makes us all glance longer, appreciate the game more. Straight up you are watching purpose unfold, picasso with a basketball. He desired basketball the same way it desired him, it's not so much that he is a good basketball player, it's the fact that he DESIRED it and it fits him so well it's like a match made in heaven. What he does is art, and you are blind to the big picture if you see otherwise.

[Vertical-24]

2nd Greatest SG of All Time
Top 10 GOAT
One of the greatest scorers of All Time
One of the greatest (if not the greatest) player(s) of this past generation
5 time NBA Champion, 2 time FMVP
Perfectionist, one of the games most knowledgeable students
Hardest working / most competitive player since MJ




^^^ All facts.

Kobe is only overrated by fans that insist he is somehow better than Michael Jordan, who is hands down the greatest player of all time. This has been said time and time again in this thread and its because of the truth that it carries. I have Kobe Bryant in my Top 5....maybe because of personal bias, but admittedly so.

But then comes the Kobe-haters than purposely underrate him to get Kobe stans riled up and to try to prove a point. That point is typically that Kobe is nowhere near MJ, so they will try their best to create a huge seperation between them. Some of their points hold a lot of merit, others are just to get Stans mad and they typically fall for it.

Regardless, Kobe Bryant is one of the greatest players to ever play this game. Any analyst will tell you that. Any serious basketball fan will tell you that. Any great coach will tell you that. Any GM will tell you that and any great player will tell you that.

No bickering past that point.

[ScarSymmetry]

What about him is "overrated"?

I see this get thrown around quite a bit by NBA fans (usually Kobe/Laker haters).

Is it his scoring ability, his shooting ability, his championship runs, his recognition now as one of the top 10 best players of all-time, his leadership, his drive to succeed..? What?

I am a Lakers fan, but I'm nowhere near a Kobe dick rider; however, I just don't understand when people say, "Kobe is overrated." Why is he overrated? How is he overrated? Where is he overrated?

Please explain.


Because noobs who have only watched ball in the "Kobe Era" don't know any better, claim GOAT status, and people get hooked on arguing about it until the cows come home.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Im not a Kobe fan, but Pauk's list was terrble. I can't believe there are people that think prime Grant Hill>>>>> Kobe.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He gets overrated when people try to rank him over great Bigs like Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem. Then you have real crazy fans who try to rank him over Magic, Bird, and even MJ.


Kobe is a great player. I have him as the 10th greatest player of all-time, because of his achievements... but his overall impact on any particular game is often overrated.

I agree with this. His impact team-wise, is vastly overrated.

[ATL_Bball_King]

Is he really that overratted?? If we are all talkin about top 10 or even top 20...Thats pretty great to me...

And even Magic says ALL THE TIME that kobe is the greatest Laker ever...I mean magic says this with his own mouth...

Jordan was great...Maybe the GOAT...But saying kobe is no where near him is :facepalm ... Jordan with his own lips said that he was...talent wise?? Skill wise? toughness? Will to win?? Leader...?

What makes kobe so great is that he is a pure student of the game...He takes all of his weaknesses and works on them to make them his strengths... The guy gets better every year because of how he works...

For example...Dirk won the Championship due to his team and his greatness...Kobe seen the type of shots that got Dirk open and a year later he adds it to a part of his game...Anyone who watched the first couple of games can say he shot that dirk shot a few times when he needed it and made it...

Thats kobe for you...Student of the game...

I guarentee when kobe was drafted that no one in there right mind would think he would be where he is now...And thats on kobe...They have been sayin lebron will be the next jordan when the kid was in high school...And thats a HELL NO...

So is he overrated...Not really cuz no one knew he would be this good...

[Alamo]

2nd Greatest SG of All Time
Top 10 GOAT
One of the greatest scorers of All Time
One of the greatest (if not the greatest) player(s) of this past generation
5 time NBA Champion, 2 time FMVP
Perfectionist, one of the games most knowledgeable students
Hardest working / most competitive player since MJ




^^^ All facts.


I like facts :applause:

[guy]

I think it's because he's accomplished a lot, but through extreme luck. Like unlike other all time greats, he really doesn't have that many great lengendary playoff moments. It's a 40th percent finals shooter, misses a lot of game winning shots that a teammate would rebound and win the game. Those types of moment far out weight legendary moments. Then starting out playing with prime Shaq. It's a long list. Honestly that's pretty much the reason.

Also a ton of irrational teenage fanboys that despite all those reasons I stated want to place him as the greatest basketball player that every played.

I agree with pretty much all of this except that he's accomplished alot through extreme luck. He's accomplished a lot cause he's a much more rock solid foundation that you can build around due to his durability, work ethic, competitiveness, and playing style in comparison to pretty much every other player of his era aside from Shaq and Duncan. But as far as the rest goes, yes. He's overrated due to how people perceive his dominance. His dominance wasn't on the level of many of the players he's compared to i.e he wasn't as much of a reason for his rings as those others (Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem, etc.), and he's not such a higher level above his peers like people make him out to be (Lebron, Wade, Dirk, KG, etc.).

Here's a great example of what you were talking about his lack of legendary playoff moments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN5jHg2zjTk&feature=fvst

How is someone that great not have one of the top 6 playoff performances of the decade? And you can even argue that Dirk and Nash have had greater performances as well.

[SwayDizzle]

OMG Da Lawd putting on a clinic so far in the Playoffs. This will be the Mamba's greatest playoff run and he will end up with another finals MVP. BOOK IT. Top 5 all time.

[AlphaWolf24]

2nd Greatest SG of All Time
Top 10 GOAT
One of the greatest scorers of All Time
One of the greatest (if not the greatest) player(s) of this past generation
5 time NBA Champion, 2 time FMVP
Perfectionist, one of the games most knowledgeable students
Hardest working / most competitive player since MJ




^^^ All facts.

Kobe is only overrated by fans that insist he is somehow better than Michael Jordan, who is hands down the greatest player of all time. This has been said time and time again in this thread and its because of the truth that it carries. I have Kobe Bryant in my Top 5....maybe because of personal bias, but admittedly so.

But then comes the Kobe-haters than purposely underrate him to get Kobe stans riled up and to try to prove a point. That point is typically that Kobe is nowhere near MJ, so they will try their best to create a huge seperation between them. Some of their points hold a lot of merit, others are just to get Stans mad and they typically fall for it.

Regardless, Kobe Bryant is one of the greatest players to ever play this game. Any analyst will tell you that. Any serious basketball fan will tell you that. Any great coach will tell you that. Any GM will tell you that and any great player will tell you that.

No bickering past that point.


ummm...Nope..

MJis viewed as the Greatest by Acclamation....

"hands down"???..no way..

Magic , Russell , Wilt and Kareem are past greats who can also be viewed by a large group as better players

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe lead Lakers to 5 rings.

Kobe the most clutch player in the league/history.

Kobe the Greatest scorer.

Kobe the Greatest of all time.

Kobe the God.

Kobe the Coach of the year.

And that's how Kobe overrated

Beside those he's great player


Jordan's 6 Rings are much better then Magic's 5 and Russell's 11 (who cares if he lead his team to 5 sub .500 seasons...by far the most of anty top 5 player)

Jordan averaged .2 more points then Wilt....Jordan is the greatest scorer of alltime

Jordan is hands down the greatest of alltime

Jordan led his team to 6 titles had no help (had the 2nd best allaround player of the 90's , the best rebounder/defender,allstars at the PG and PF spot , greatest European player of his generation)

Jordan is the best clutch player of alltime (1/3rd of his career he was on a sub .500 team , nearly was swept in the 1rst round 3 times straight, .424 winning % without Pippen)

if Kobe is overrated , so is MJ...

[amfirst]

U know who is overrated. The guy who said he won not one but seven championships. - Lebron

[Deuce Bigalow]

Playoff Points career
1. Michael Jordan - 5,987
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 5,762
3. Kobe Bryant - 5,349
4. Shaquille O'Neal - 5,250

30-point Playoff games
1. Michael Jordan

[Legends66NBA7]

U know who is overrated. The guy who said he won not one but seven championships. - Lebron

Yeah, he's overrated too.

Worst Finals performer for a superstar player. Biggest drop off in ppg from regular season to finals.

Only player to have the best record in the regular season twice and fail to make the finals.

Oh, there are also people here also call him a god/deity. Stupid.

[CavaliersFTW]

What about him is "overrated"?

I see this get thrown around quite a bit by NBA fans (usually Kobe/Laker haters).

Is it his scoring ability, his shooting ability, his championship runs, his recognition now as one of the top 10 best players of all-time, his leadership, his drive to succeed..? What?

I am a Lakers fan, but I'm nowhere near a Kobe dick rider; however, I just don't understand when people say, "Kobe is overrated." Why is he overrated? How is he overrated? Where is he overrated?

Please explain.


All the vocal "GawdBe/GOAT" Kobe-stan agenda is what labels him as overrated. I suspect (and hope) that this makes up the minority of NBA fans though, but Kobestans are very vocal so it makes it seem like he's overrated on a mass scale. He's not near GOAT, although he's made a great case so far for top 10, but even Barkley has overrated him on National television calling him top 5 all-time... and that's just not plausible for what Kobe has done to this point in his career. You'd have to knock any one of Bill Russell, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Wilt, or Jordan in order for him to be top 5, if you actually know about those guys and some NBA history the notion that he's done enough to prove to be greater is just plain overrating... Especially when most objective fans actually consider Duncan to be higher on the list than Kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

All the vocal "GawdBe/GOAT" Kobe-stan agenda is what labels him as overrated. I suspect (and hope) that this makes up the minority of NBA fans though, but Kobestans are very vocal so it makes it seem like he's overrated on a mass scale. He's not near GOAT, although he's made a great case so far for top 10, but even Barkley has overrated him on National television calling him top 5 all-time. You'd have to knock any one of Bill Russell, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Wilt, or Jordan in order for him to be top 5, and to suggest he is greater than any one of them up to this point in his career is overrating... Especially when most objective fans still consider Duncan to be higher on the list than Kobe.
Kobe passed Wilt a while ago.

In championships
In playoff points
In finals mvps
In all-star selections
In all-nba team selections
will pass him in regular season points next year

[The Iron Fist]

All the vocal "GawdBe/GOAT" Kobe-stan agenda is what labels him as overrated. I suspect (and hope) that this makes up the minority of NBA fans though, but Kobestans are very vocal so it makes it seem like he's overrated on a mass scale. He's not near GOAT, although he's made a great case so far for top 10, but even Barkley has overrated him on National television calling him top 5 all-time... and that's just not plausible for what Kobe has done to this point in his career. You'd have to knock any one of Bill Russell, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Wilt, or Jordan in order for him to be top 5, if you actually know about those guys and some NBA history the notion that he's done enough to prove to be greater is just plain overrating... Especially when most objective fans actually consider Duncan to be higher on the list than Kobe.
Kobe passed Bird and Magic last year. Dude is playing with one all star per year while Bird and Magic had multiple hall of famers. Bird and Magic are starting to get a tad bit overrated lately.

[AlphaWolf24]

All the vocal "GawdBe/GOAT" Kobe-stan agenda is what labels him as overrated. I suspect (and hope) that this makes up the minority of NBA fans though, but Kobestans are very vocal so it makes it seem like he's overrated on a mass scale. He's not near GOAT, although he's made a great case so far for top 10, but even Barkley has overrated him on National television calling him top 5 all-time... and that's just not plausible for what Kobe has done to this point in his career. You'd have to knock any one of Bill Russell, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Wilt, or Jordan in order for him to be top 5, if you actually know about those guys and some NBA history the notion that he's done enough to prove to be greater is just plain overrating... Especially when most objective fans actually consider Duncan to be higher on the list than Kobe.

I would say the majority of fans have Kobe top 5 alltime...

the minority is actually the 1% of online fans who still think he isn't on Bird , magic , Russell , Wilt Level...



Most in the basketball community have Kobe at Bird , Magic ,Wilt level...or most likely ahead of those players...

and rightfully so....Kobe is a top 5 alltime player....no doubt about it.

[CavaliersFTW]

Kobe passed Wilt a while ago.

In championships
In playoff points
In finals mvps
In all-star selections
In all-nba team selections
will pass him in regular season points next year

Deuce:
*Kobestan
*Wilt troll

Ergo your conclusions, research, and data will inevitably slant heavy to 1 direction.

:kobe:

100 > 81... U mad?

[BEAST Griffin]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Playoff Points career
1. Michael Jordan - 5,987
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 5,762
3. Kobe Bryant - 5,349
4. Shaquille O'Neal - 5,250

30-point Playoff games
1. Michael Jordan

[CavaliersFTW]

I would say the majority of fans have Kobe top 5 alltime...

the minority is actually the 1% of online fans who still think he isn't on Bird , magic , Russell , Wilt Level...



Most in the basketball community have Kobe at Bird , Magic ,Wilt level...or most likely ahead of those players...

and rightfully so....Kobe is a top 5 alltime player....no doubt about it.

Alphawolf i ain even mad cuz you rip other stans to shreds so you get a free pass :lol

[andgar923]

Kobe is a top 20 player, not 10.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is a top 20 player, not 10.

Kobe Bryant's ranking compared to the top 25 players of all-time

Championships (5) - 5th, tied with Johnson
Finals MVPs (2) - 5th, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Bird, Olajuwon, Reed
MVPs (1) - 11th, tied with O'Neal, Robertson, Olajuwon, Erving, Barkley, Robinson, Cousy
Top 5 Finishes in MVP Voting (9) - 5th, tied with Johnson, Bird, Duncan, Malone, Robertson
All-NBA Teams (13) - 4th, tied with Duncan
All-Defensive Teams (11) - 2nd tied with Abdul-Jabbar, Garnett
All-Star Teams (14) - 3rd, tied with Jordan, Garnett, Malone, West
All-NBA First Teams (9) - 8th, tied with Duncan
Scoring Titles (2) - 3rd, tied with Abdul-Jabbar, O'Neal
Points (29,484) - 5th
Playoff Points (5,349) - 3rd

Why is he top 5 in 8/11 of those categories, top 3 in 2 of them, and top 10 in 10/11?

[Heavincent]

Kobe is a top 20 player, not 10.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :facepalm

He's inarguably a top 10 player all-time. Any somewhat reasonable basketball fan will tell you that. Deal with it.

[BEAST Griffin]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :facepalm

He's inarguably a top 10 player all-time. Any somewhat reasonable basketball fan will tell you that. Deal with it.

Any somewhat rational person will tell you that by definition something that is subjective is arguable.

[rodman91]

Let's assume Kobe stays in team X long enough...

Kobe in big franchise, with good teammates and coach gonna be overrated.

Kobe in smaller franchise, with good teammates & coach gonna be underrated.

Kobe in smaller franchise, with crappy teammates & coach gonna be overlooked.

Kobe in big franchise, with crappy teammates & coach gonna be doomed.

That's how NBA works.

[Heavincent]

Any somewhat rational person will tell you that by definition something that is subjective is arguable.

Meh, you have a shitload of accounts on here to push your agenda, so it's not like I take you seriously at all.

[Calabis]

Jordan's 6 Rings are much better then Magic's 5 and Russell's 11 (who cares if he lead his team to 5 sub .500 seasons...by far the most of anty top 5 player)

Jordan averaged .2 more points then Wilt....Jordan is the greatest scorer of alltime

Jordan is hands down the greatest of alltime

Jordan led his team to 6 titles had no help (had the 2nd best allaround player of the 90's , the best rebounder/defender,allstars at the PG and PF spot , greatest European player of his generation)

Jordan is the best clutch player of alltime (1/3rd of his career he was on a sub .500 team , nearly was swept in the 1rst round 3 times straight, .424 winning % without Pippen)

if Kobe is overrated , so is MJ...

This guy is why Kobe gets called overrated

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/calabis/1304373360_picsay-1304373360-1.jpg

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe is a top 20 player, not 10.

He's definitely closer to 10 than 20. Anywhere from #8-13 is well within reason imo.

[jb220]

Let's assume Kobe stays in team X long enough...

Kobe in big franchise, with good teammates and coach gonna be overrated.

Kobe in smaller franchise, with good teammates & coach gonna be underrated.

Kobe in smaller franchise, with crappy teammates & coach gonna be overlooked.

Kobe in big franchise, with crappy teammates & coach gonna be doomed.

That's how NBA works.

Malone in a smaller franchise, with good teammates & coach is overrated.

LeBron in a small franchise, with good teammates & coach is overrated.

[AlphaWolf24]

He's definitely closer to 10 than 20. Anywhere from #8-13 is well within reason imo.


well within reason??...More like top 5..

aint you the one always making Kobe is Overrated threads???:lol
















mad.

[Calabis]

Kobe can be put 9 or 10, sorry but his finals performances are not that great. If he had a memorable Finals and had a dominant finals performance then I would have him 5-6, but until then 9 or 10

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

well within reason??...More like top 5..

aint you the one always making Kobe is Overrated threads???:lol

mad.

Never mad. Just talkin' hoops son.

I haven't made a thread in a minute - but Kobe IS overrated when people start putting him in the same setence as MJ (or Kareem/Russell/Magic/Wilt for that matter).

Another title and Finals Mvp? Top 5 is definitely arguable.

[SlayerEnraged]

If anyone watched the game last night you would have to say that defenders are allowed to touch kobe which isn't allowed with many superstars.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Never mad. Just talkin' hoops son.

I haven't made a thread in a minute - but Kobe IS overrated when people start putting him in the same setence as MJ (or Kareem/Russell/Magic/Wilt for that matter).
Kobe has more

championships
finals mvps
all-star selections
all-nba team selections
playoff points

than Wilt

[AlphaWolf24]

Never mad. Just talkin' hoops son.

I haven't made a thread in a minute - but Kobe IS overrated when people start putting him in the same setence as MJ (or Kareem/Russell/Magic/Wilt for that matter).

Another title and Finals Mvp? Top 5 is definitely arguable.


If Magic , Logo and Shaq Kobe is teh best Laker of alltime then he deserves to be top 5 alltime...


recap - 99% of the basketball community has Kobe top 5 alltime...as well as 3 of the greatest Lakers ever saying Kobe is the best Laker ever......


but , 3 people online says he's overrated if he's mentioned in the Magic ,Wilt , Russell catagory...


who right?......

[CavaliersFTW]

Kobe has more

championships
finals mvps
all-star selections
all-nba team selections
playoff points

than Wilt

Wilt got more p*ssy than Kobe, and he didn't have to rape someone to get it

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wilt got more p*ssy than Kobe, and he didn't have to rape someone to get it

:oldlol:


If Magic , Logo and Shaq Kobe is teh best Laker of alltime then he deserves to be top 5 alltime...


recap - 99% of the basketball community has Kobe top 5 alltime...as well as 3 of the greatest Lakers ever saying Kobe is the best Laker ever......


but , 3 people online says he's overrated if he's mentioned in the Magic ,Wilt , Russell catagory...


who right?......

3 people online? :oldlol: SLAM Magazine and Sports Illustrated had him top 10.

If you have him #5 on your list, more power to you; just don't act surprised when people think you're wrong.

[Legends66NBA7]

Another title and Finals Mvp? Top 5 is definitely arguable.

I feel the same way. I think the Bird and Magic comparison become much more legit and no longer hersay.

He would have to perform at a level he hasn't performed before, as well. Like if he continues his play in the playoffs, currently... you can definitely make that case.

[andgar923]

He's definitely closer to 10 than 20. Anywhere from #8-13 is well within reason imo.

15-20 is acceptable, no higher then 10.... at least not yet, until he kills it in the finals.

He IS overrated tho, possibly the most overrated athlete of all time.

HIs stans love to throw out stats, but the stats that they throw out are one sided. They never mention his shot attempts, his percentages, his failures. Which is misleading when we compare him/them (stats) to other greats, who have been just as great but failed to win due to their circumstances.

Players win and lose based on their circumstances.

Kobe has been blessed that his circumstances were favorably better than other greats.

Other greats have performed as good and even better, but their circumstances weren't in their favor. How many times did we see Charles play out of his mind only to lose? or early MJ? or *insert great name here* but their circumstances at that moment didn't allow them to win.

Kobe is great, a legend, one of the best ever.... but let us not overlook his many many faults and forget past greats, some of whom most of us never saw play. He's been too inconsistent in his career, his legacy has been boosted and elevated by people desperately trying to search for the next MJ, and he's been sub par leaving much to be imagined when it mattered the most. His first 3 rings should have an *asterisk* next to them, since a number of players playing with Shaq would've been able to capitalize on Shaq's dominance (go ahead f*ckers deny that). And honestly, his last 2 haven't been very impressive imo.

Go ahead Kobetards... run to your copy and paste and start bombarding me with your one sided stats. He ain't a top 10 player and more I really doubt he's even a top 15 player.

[The Iron Fist]

Kobe can be put 9 or 10, sorry but his finals performances are not that great. If he had a memorable Finals and had a dominant finals performance then I would have him 5-6, but until then 9 or 10
Define what a memorable and dominant finals is.

[andgar923]

Define what a memorable and dominant finals is.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Too easy.

[c3z4r]

15-20 is acceptable, no higher then 10.... at least not yet, until he kills it in the finals.

He IS overrated tho, possibly the most overrated athlete of all time.




REAL TALK, I'm far from a Kobe stan or Lakers stan, hell i don't give a shit about either of them, but even i have kobe at 8 on my top 10 list.

So I'm really interested to see your top 20 and to see those 20 players that are supposedly better than Kobe Bean Bryant.

[The Iron Fist]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Too easy.
Go ahead.

[andgar923]

REAL TALK, I'm far from a Kobe stan or Lakers stan, hell i don't give a shit about either of them, but even i have kobe at 8 on my top 10 list.

So I'm really interested to see your top 20 and to see those 20 players that are supposedly better than Kobe Bean Bryant.

I don't have one.

After 5 or 10 I really don't care to make a list. But I've seen other lists of players that are usually overlooked and ranked lower than Kobe.

What propels Kobe in these lists/rankings over other greats are his rings. Which is fair, but like I mentioned, he happened to capitalize on his circumstances. His circumstances were more favorable then some of the other greats.... specially his first 3 rings with Shaq.

That's not hate, that's putting things in their proper perspective.

So what's the difference between Kobe and somebody like Bird or Magic who played with great big men and had great circumstances?

They performed when it mattered.

They had more to do with their victories then Kobe did with his, actually Kobe UNDER performed.

And Kobe again.... is far too inconsistent and has a very poor ball IQ when we start dealing with the upper echelon of the elite of the elite.

[Doctor Rivers]

REAL TALK, I'm far from a Kobe stan or Lakers stan, hell i don't give a shit about either of them, but even i have kobe at 8 on my top 10 list.

So I'm really interested to see your top 20 and to see those 20 players that are supposedly better than Kobe Bean Bryant.

MJ x 20

[Legends66NBA7]

He IS overrated tho, possibly the most overrated athlete of all time.

We would have to look at every sport to find out the right answer for that

If were talking just basketball players, I definitely don't think he's more overrated than a guy like Karl Malone. Some other names out there too, but nobody is more overrated than Karl Malone.

Stats also back that claim up.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I would say a 32.4 ppg / 5.6 rpg / 7.4 apg / 1.4 bpg / 1.4 spg / 43 FG% / 36 3pt% (2009) Finals is pretty dominant

2nd time in finals history of a series average of atleast 32 ppg and 7 apg
Only the 5th 30-5-5 Finals series average since '70

And he won Finals MVP. He had 40-8-8 the first game, and 30-6-5 & 4 blocks to clinch it.

Also a 26.8 ppg / 5.8 rpg / 5.3 apg / 1.5 bpg / 51.4 FG% / 62.3 TS% (2002) is a pretty dominant Finals series too

Higher TS% than any of Jordan's Finals

[BEAST Griffin]

Meh, you have a shitload of accounts on here to push your agenda, so it's not like I take you seriously at all.

Do you disagree that subjective matters are arguable?

Incoming ad hominem attack in 1...2...3...

[gengiskhan]

I would say a 32.4 ppg / 5.6 rpg / 7.4 apg / 1.4 bpg / 1.4 spg / 43 FG% / 36 3pt% (2009) Finals is pretty dominant

2nd time in finals history of a series average of atleast 32 ppg and 7 apg
Only the 5th 30-5-5 Finals series average since '70

And he won Finals MVP. He had 40-8-8 the first game, and 30-6-5 & 4 blocks to clinch it.

Also a 26.8 ppg / 5.8 rpg / 5.3 apg / 1.5 bpg / 51.4 FG% / 62.3 TS% (2002) is a pretty dominant Finals series too

Higher TS% than any of Jordan's Finals

damb faaaak

32.5 ppg against Orlando Magic. :lol :lol once of the worse finalist weakest finalists ever. :lol :lol

Kobe couldn't do that against 2008 celtics, 2010 celtics.

Kobe's 32.5 ppg looks great on stat sheet but thats about it. in reality, that magic finals series is just forgettable.

kobe is just overrated. admit it.

MJ ave 26 ppg against Sonic, the legendary coach George Karl, Kemp's best season ever & runner-up MVP, Peyton's best season ever & DPOY. Best seattle team ever in the franchise.

all these things matter.

A reason why MJ's 1996 finals >>> KObe's 2009 Finals.

Its the opposition not just stat padding kobe did.

Kobe choked when opposition got better like 2008 NBA Finals.

get real.

[KenneBell]

To be honest, I really don't know. He's been at a consistently elite level since '01. I guess its due to him being so polarizing.

Right now I have him at #8-9. He can move up to as high as 5 with another championship/FMVP this year.

Of course, most people won't appreciate the things he's done until he hangs them up. He's had a pretty remarkable career and it looks like he's got another 2-3 seasons in him.

[gengiskhan]

To be honest, I really don't know. He's been at a consistently elite level since '01. I guess its due to him being so polarizing.

Right now I have him at #8-9. He can move up to as high as 5 with another championship/FMVP this year.

Of course, most people won't appreciate the things he's done until he hangs them up. He's had a pretty remarkable career and it looks like he's got another 2-3 seasons in him.

His career & stats are still nothing all-time great.

His efficiency & PER still nothing all-time great.

His 1 MVP in 16 yrs is nothing to write about.

He had 1 dominant Finals performance as the leading man & that too against the weakest finalists. Against stronger finalists in 2 Finals in 2008 & 2010. He was rather forgettable.

All these things matter.

He aint Top 10 GOATs yet. Once his career ends, he may have a chance.

Top 5 GOATs,? :lol :lol :lol :lol forget about it.

Kobe will have to start his career all over again.

[NumberSix]

I would say a 32.4 ppg / 5.6 rpg / 7.4 apg / 1.4 bpg / 1.4 spg / 43 FG% / 36 3pt% (2009) Finals is pretty dominant
Would you really? :confusedshrug:

[caliman]

Would you really? :confusedshrug:


So you cherry pick FG% to say it wasn't dominant, while ignoring all the other numbers? You know like being the 2nd player with 32 and 7 in the Finals, and only the 5th 30/5/5 in the Finals since 1970.

[NumberSix]

So you cherry pick FG% to say it wasn't dominant, while ignoring all the other numbers? You know like being the 2nd player with 32 and 7 in the Finals, and only the 5th 30/5/5 in the Finals since 1970.
Volume doesn't equal dominance.

He was OBVIOUSLY the best player on his team, but if the defense is making him fail 57% of the time, that's not dominating. It's winning, but not "dominating".

[Heavincent]

15-20 is acceptable, no higher then 10.... at least not yet, until he kills it in the finals.

He IS overrated tho, possibly the most overrated athlete of all time.

HIs stans love to throw out stats, but the stats that they throw out are one sided. They never mention his shot attempts, his percentages, his failures. Which is misleading when we compare him/them (stats) to other greats, who have been just as great but failed to win due to their circumstances.

Players win and lose based on their circumstances.

Kobe has been blessed that his circumstances were favorably better than other greats.

Other greats have performed as good and even better, but their circumstances weren't in their favor. How many times did we see Charles play out of his mind only to lose? or early MJ? or *insert great name here* but their circumstances at that moment didn't allow them to win.

Kobe is great, a legend, one of the best ever.... but let us not overlook his many many faults and forget past greats, some of whom most of us never saw play. He's been too inconsistent in his career, his legacy has been boosted and elevated by people desperately trying to search for the next MJ, and he's been sub par leaving much to be imagined when it mattered the most. His first 3 rings should have an *asterisk* next to them, since a number of players playing with Shaq would've been able to capitalize on Shaq's dominance (go ahead f*ckers deny that). And honestly, his last 2 haven't been very impressive imo.

Go ahead Kobetards... run to your copy and paste and start bombarding me with your one sided stats. He ain't a top 10 player and more I really doubt he's even a top 15 player.

:oldlol: Laughable at best.

[KenneBell]

His career & stats are still nothing all-time great.
Arguable. He's going to score very high in all-time league and franchise marks. His averages are OK but most reasonable fans know that he's been a consistent 27-28/5/5 player for over a decade now.

I don't know how his career can't be considered all-time great. Multiple championships, clutch moments, great playoffs runs, recognized for being elite on both sides of the court, face of the franchise, awards, and recogition from peers. I'd say that qualifies as great. In terms of resume, Kobe is pretty high on the list.



His efficiency & PER still nothing all-time great.
Among guards he's actually still pretty good. He's not Jordan in that category but who is? There's no use in comparing him to big men when it comes to efficiency. And really, you could argue that Duncan and Hakeem weren't all that efficient shooting the ball considering their positions. He's comparable to them at the guard position IMO.


His 1 MVP in 16 yrs is nothing to write about..
Also arguable. If that's the case, Shaq's season/MVP ratio is even worse.

[caliman]

Volume doesn't equal dominance.

He was OBVIOUSLY the best player on his team, but if the defense is making him fail 57% of the time, that's not dominating. It's winning, but not "dominating".


Once again, you're cherry picking 1 stat while ignoring the all around game. But I forgot, this is ISH where FG% is king.:facepalm

[AlphaWolf24]

His career & stats are still nothing all-time great.

His efficiency & PER still nothing all-time great.

His 1 MVP in 16 yrs is nothing to write about.

He had 1 dominant Finals performance as the leading man & that too against the weakest finalists. Against stronger finalists in 2 Finals in 2008 & 2010. He was rather forgettable.

All these things matter.

He aint Top 10 GOATs yet. Once his career ends, he may have a chance.

Top 5 GOATs,? :lol :lol :lol :lol forget about it.

Kobe will have to start his career all over again.



http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2889000/AlphaWolf-2889642_429_339.jpg

Top 5 GOAT's

[Calabis]

I would say a 32.4 ppg / 5.6 rpg / 7.4 apg / 1.4 bpg / 1.4 spg / 43 FG% / 36 3pt% (2009) Finals is pretty dominant

2nd time in finals history of a series average of atleast 32 ppg and 7 apg
Only the 5th 30-5-5 Finals series average since '70

And he won Finals MVP. He had 40-8-8 the first game, and 30-6-5 & 4 blocks to clinch it.

Also a 26.8 ppg / 5.8 rpg / 5.3 apg / 1.5 bpg / 51.4 FG% / 62.3 TS% (2002) is a pretty dominant Finals series too

Higher TS% than any of Jordan's Finals

Dude, the only thing I remember about the Magic series, is his one nice ass shot on Howard and Derek Fisher hitting clutch shots....and who cares about advanced stats that include free throws...Derek Fisher has more memorable moments than he does in the finals...that's not hate, that's just because he doesn't have anything that I can recall as "Gawd Damn" moments

[Calabis]

Volume doesn't equal dominance.

He was OBVIOUSLY the best player on his team, but if the defense is making him fail 57% of the time, that's not dominating. It's winning, but not "dominating".

:applause:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Well with all the Jordan Hype, like how he's the second coming after Jordan makes him overrated. Kobe is good, but not as good as the media makes him out to be. Having him as a top 10 all time player as of now is fairly reasonable. But having him #2 after Jordan isn't.

[andgar923]

:oldlol: Laughable at best.
:lol

[The Iron Fist]

damb faaaak

32.5 ppg against Orlando Magic. :lol :lol once of the worse finalist weakest finalists ever. :lol :lol

Kobe couldn't do that against 2008 celtics, 2010 celtics.

Kobe's 32.5 ppg looks great on stat sheet but thats about it. in reality, that magic finals series is just forgettable.

kobe is just overrated. admit it.

MJ ave 26 ppg against Sonic, the legendary coach George Karl, Kemp's best season ever & runner-up MVP, Peyton's best season ever & DPOY. Best seattle team ever in the franchise.

all these things matter.

A reason why MJ's 1996 finals >>> KObe's 2009 Finals.

Its the opposition not just stat padding kobe did.

Kobe choked when opposition got better like 2008 NBA Finals.

get real.
2009 Magic had the DPOY. Second finals in a row he faced such a team.

[Sampsonsimpson]

The consesus here seems to be that he's only overrated when people try to say he is the GOAT and better than Jordan.

[Coffee Black]

The consesus here seems to be that he's only overrated when people try to say he is the GOAT and better than Jordan.

Sampsonsimpson I stick by my story!

I agree.

[OldSchoolBBall]

He's "overrated" because his zealous fans believe he is as good or better than the greatest player to ever play, namely Jordan. Even the slightly more reasonable ones who admit MJ is better think that Kobe is like 95-98% as good as MJ prime vs. prime. In reality it's more like 90%.

[LakersReign]

Laker/Kobe fans respond the way they do cuz the logic used by haters and Lebronytes makes absolutely no sense. They're the first ones to scream like banshees the minute Kobe's name is mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan, like it's blasphemy of some kind. But they seem to have no problem at all, trying to slide Lebron into the Jordan conversation. Even when Lebron has far less in common with Jordan than Kobe.

If Kobe's so overrated, when he's really the only player right now who more Jordan-like than anybody else right, how the **** you're gonna then try to bring up Lebron? If Kobe's so ovverated in comparison to Jordan, then Lebron is even more so. But you won't hear the haters and Lebronytes saying that. All you can hear from them is how overrated Kobe is.:rolleyes:

Acting all "self righteuos" the minute Kobe and Jordan's name are mentioned together. But having nothing to say when Lebron and Jordan's name is mentioned, when they have absolutely nothing in common, simply makes you look stupid, and nothing you say will be taken seriously. That's why Laker/Kobe fans act the way the do when this issue is brought up.

[RazorBaLade]

He's "overrated" because his zealous fans believe he is as good or better than the greatest player to ever play, namely Jordan. Even the slightly more reasonable ones who admit MJ is better think that Kobe is like 95-98% as good as MJ prime vs. prime. In reality it's more like 90%.

****** u can never show me these ppl that believe that

[Kiddlovesnets]

When some people are comparing him to all time greats like Bird and Magic, you know hes way overrated. Dude aint greater than Duncan yet.

[Vienceslav]

People who rank him top 5 overrate him.
People who rank him in the top 10 rank him just right.
You get the point.

[pegasus]

The consesus here seems to be that he's only overrated when people try to say he is the GOAT and better than Jordan.

Agreed. I think most people have him just out the top-5, which is fair. If he wins one more, he is top-3. I don't think he can ever pass Jordan, unless he wins three in a row or something.

[AlphaWolf24]

Agreed. I think most people have him just out the top-5, which is fare. If he wins one more, he is top-3. I don't think he can ever pass Jordan, unless he wins three in a row or something.


this...

[PTB Fan]

Because of his fans.

[I<3NBA]

Because of his fans.
truth :applause: if his retarded fans would just stop trying to put him on the same level as Jordan, everything in the world would be at peace. i'd be willing to concede he is top 3.

[Deuce Bigalow]

When some people are comparing him to all time greats like Bird and Magic, you know hes way overrated. Dude aint greater than Duncan yet.
lol. Magic compares himself to Kobe.
And when Kobe and Duncan met in the Playoffs, Kobe beat him.

[HurricaneKid]

Kobe's longevity has been tremendous. He has played at a ridiculously high level for 16 years. But he was NEVER the best player in the league. He played on some great teams and was great on those teams. But when he was asked to carry a team he lost in the 1st round and failed to even get his team in the playoffs.

I have a hard time giving anyone that shoots as much and as inefficiently the benefit of the doubt. I'd be happy to call him top 15 or so but when you are talking about the guys at the top you are talking about guys who dominated decades and Kobe just never did that.

[HurricaneKid]

And when Kobe and Duncan met in the Playoffs, Kobe beat him.

This is the kind of absurd comment I hate. The Spurs beat the Lakers twice in the Kobe era and more importantly they never "played" one another. Its like saying two great WRs played in a football game and one beat the other one. His TEAM beat the other TEAM.

[gengiskhan]

Agreed. I think most people have him just out the top-5

Only kobe'tards have him just outside Top 5. The real NBA Fans who knows the game have him just outside the Top 10 GOATs.


If he wins one more, he is top-3. I don't think he can ever pass Jordan, unless he wins three in a row or something.

precisely why he is "overrated" in first place. he wins 6th he still got 3rd FMVP & 1 MVP. he equals, duncan & shaq. But Shaq-like finals dominance is clearly missing. How is kobe above shaq who is Top 8 GOATs.

shyte like this is why Kobe is the most polarizing & overrated player of all-times.

If Kobe wins his 7th, He is guaranteed Top 10 GOATs of all-time. not even top 8 GOATs is guarantee for him.

Top 8 are way too heavy accolades & legendary performances in legacy establishing situations. With many "marquee match-ups" to win it all.

Kobe dont got that legacy or just sheer pure dominance. He is "collecting" his FMVPs & rings from here on out.

[Simple Jack]

Agreed. I think most people have him just out the top-5, which is fair. If he wins one more, he is top-3. I don't think he can ever pass Jordan, unless he wins three in a row or something.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MJ(Mean John)]

This from another thread, posted by so guy named anaximandro

GM Survey: If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?



I just can't imagine a top ten guy being overshadow so many times by so many players. The guy is just overrated. Great but overrated.



Okay, a few things


#1. Notice how most players were bigmen
#2. G/F were only chosen when the great bigs left prime
#3. Why would You START your team with 30 yr Old Kb vs 22,23 yr Old studs..


C'mon man.

Kb is top 10, as of now..