Name players who will disappear once their athleticism disappears

[BMOGEFan]

I'll start...

Dwyane Wade

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Westbrook

[Alamo]

Lebron James

[PP34Deuce]

Russell Westbrook- Not because he's a freak athlete, but because he really relies on it. WHen I see him play i see a guy who any point could suffer a Rose/Shumpert like ACL tear injury from lack of fundamentals and crazy explosion.

Blake griffin- The flavor of the last year, He works hard so I don't expect him to not be the franchise,but take his athletiscm away and I think you'd have Kris Humpries type PF. Still good though.

I feel like some players need to take notes from Rondo, and Parker. super quick and fast guys that pace their athletiscm...

[AirTupac]

Wade
Rose
Westbrook
Griffin

Unless they pull a Kobe and adjust, they just might.

[PP34Deuce]

Lebron James


Lebron with say PP athletic ability is still a 22-23ppg 7 and 6 player...

[scotty00007]

Lebron James


But Indian guy said he's already lost it and he is still winning MVP?

[jb220]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/532970_10150704555902344_58690437343_9608390_96892 7182_n.jpg

[lilgodfather1]

Rose, Westbrook, Griffen, Wade, Ibaka (not that he is a great player now, but he is good).

[blacknapalm]

wade but i'm taking a different route than most people. he's an undersized SG. he can go into the post but he relies on his athleticism to do the rest. once that is gone, he's not going to match up well posting up bigger guards. thus, his game is going to have major problems adjusting and transitioning to the post like many guards do as they age. i also see his defense suffering a lot as he loses athleticism

griffin. still has plenty of time but his footwork needs major work

[outbreak]

Griffin will be done. Lebron relies on his athleticism alot but with his ball handling and distributing I see him backing off the scoring himself and still being a top all round contributor. Westbrook atm but I think by the time he's that old he'll have learnt how to compensate.

[IGOTGAME]

Blake Griffin

[BMOGEFan]

Its too late for wade to improve his footwork and fundamentals.

he's 30 years old...its gonna be hard to adjust your game at that age. He still plays like a 25 year old would play.

[I<3NBA]

Rose has already disappeared :lol

[OKCThunderUP]

Just about every guard in the game.

[BMOGEFan]

Rose has already disappeared :lol


Not according to LoneyROY7

he thinks rose has excellent footwork to adjust his game.

[PJR]

Its too late for wade to improve his footwork and fundamentals.

he's 30 years old...its gonna be hard to adjust your game at that age. He still plays like a 25 year old would play.

Wade has superb footwork and fundamentals, dummy.

[TAZORAC]

There's been alot of playes who "changed" their game in the past due to injuries and were still effective players. Jamal Mashburn is 1 who comes to mind.

[BMOGEFan]

Wade has superb footwork and fundamentals, dummy.
yea...so superb that when his athleticism goes, his game will still remain.

[LoneyROY7]

Wade has superb footwork and fundamentals, dummy.

Don't bother with this chump...it's apparent he's lacking even a skeletal understanding of basketball.

[BMOGEFan]

Don't bother with this chump...it's apparent he's lacking even a skeletal understanding of basketball.

yet its so good people use him as examples for footwork videos.

[LoneyROY7]

yet its so good people use him as examples for footwork videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmnBkzTIwts

Please don't make me embarrass you any further.

[BMOGEFan]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wade+footwork&oq=wade+footwork&aq=f&aqi=p-p1g-m1&aql=&gs_l=youtube-psuggest-reduced.3..35i39j0i5.12050.14613.0.14822.14.13.1.0 .0.0.197.1329.8j5.13.0...0.0.




http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kobe+footwork&oq=kobe+footwork&aq=f&aqi=g8&aql=&gs_l=youtube-psuggest.3..0l8.8616.10222.0.10459.13.11.0.2.2.1.1 38.943.7j4.11.0...0.0.

DON"T LET ME OWN YOU

[I<3NBA]

Not according to LoneyROY7

he thinks rose has excellent footwork to adjust his game.
if Rose has excellent footwork, why'd he twist his knees?

[OneBadUsername]

I'll start...

Dwyane Wade

:cheers:

[LoneyROY7]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wade+footwork&oq=wade+footwork&aq=f&aqi=p-p1g-m1&aql=&gs_l=youtube-psuggest-reduced.3..35i39j0i5.12050.14613.0.14822.14.13.1.0 .0.0.197.1329.8j5.13.0...0.0.




http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kobe+footwork&oq=kobe+footwork&aq=f&aqi=g8&aql=&gs_l=youtube-psuggest.3..0l8.8616.10222.0.10459.13.11.0.2.2.1.1 38.943.7j4.11.0...0.0.

DON"T LET ME OWN YOU

What's your point?

Wade and Kobe both have great footwork. They just happen to utilize in very different fashions.

I feel like I discussing this with a wall. You just don't seem to get basic basketball.

[BMOGEFan]

better yet...

lets search "basketball footwork" on youtube.

lets see how many pages go by before i see "wade"

i still dont' see his name after 10 pages.

[LoneyROY7]

if Rose has excellent footwork, why'd he twist his knees?

Because he happened to come down awkwardly on a jump-stop...one time.

[LoneyROY7]

better yet...

lets search "basketball footwork" on youtube.

lets see how many pages go by before i see "wade"

So you're basing your argument off of what "comes up first on youtube"?

Wow. Just wow.

I'm sorry I even started this discussion with you. Just stop typing...please.

[BMOGEFan]

Because he happened to come down awkwardly on a jump-stop...one time.

poor footwork.

[BMOGEFan]

So you're basing your argument off of what "comes up first on youtube"?

Wow. Just wow.

I'm sorry I even started this discussion with you. Just stop typing...please.

you idiot...are you thick headed? the point was to see how many videos use wade as example of fantastic footwork

[LoneyROY7]

poor footwork.

One awkward landing doesn't equal poor footwork you buffoon.

[Tenchi Ryu]

if Rose has excellent footwork, why'd he twist his knees?
I know you can't be this dumb....

[BMOGEFan]

One awkward landing doesn't equal poor footwork you buffoon.

don't know how to control your body with footwork is.

[jb220]

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/funny-gfis-lil-dunker.gif

[LoneyROY7]

you idiot...are you thick headed? the point was to see how many videos use wade as example of fantastic footwork

Who cares how many videos are on you-tube?

I just posted a video of him displaying the art of the two-step. Effective footwork that he uses to get to the basket consistently. But I'm sure you didn't watch it b/c you're a dolt.

I watch basketball. I play basketball. I don't need to base my arguments off of how many videos come up on a youtube search.

[Alamo]

Mike Bibby

[LoneyROY7]

I know you can't be this dumb....

I honestly can't take some of the stupidity on this board, man.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

In my opinion the reason Rose gets injured is because his whole game is based on athleticism. He should conserve his body by setting other players up for 4-5 games in a row. But he just can't. His game is strictly blow past his man make a circus shot or get fouled. Repeat.

[BMOGEFan]

Who cares how many videos are on you-tube?

I just posted a video of him displaying the art of the two-step. Effective footwork that he uses to get to the basket consistently. But I'm sure you didn't watch it b/c you're a dolt.

I watch basketball. I play basketball. I don't need to base my arguments off of how many videos come up on a youtube search.

so you concede to my argument wade isn't used as demonstration videos of excellent footwork...

because he doesn't have fantastic footwork. a jab two step is like the only move.

[BMOGEFan]

In my opinion the reason Rose gets injured is because his whole game is based on athleticism. He should conserve his body by setting other players up for 4-5 games in a row. But he just can't. His game is strictly blow past his man make a circus shot or get fouled. Repeat.

yea...lack of fundamentals.

[Legends66NBA7]

I know you can't be this dumb....

You're getting trolled, man.

[PJR]

Upon further review...

Op is a fa99ot..

[Tenchi Ryu]

In my opinion the reason Rose gets injured is because his whole game is based on athleticism. He should conserve his body by setting other players up for 4-5 games in a row. But he just can't. His game is strictly blow past his man make a circus shot or get fouled. Repeat.
Yea, none of this is true, at all. He spends the first 3 quarters as facilitator, then uses his athleticism heavily in the 4th. And even then, he doesn't just ram into the lane like Wade did. In case you haven't noticed, he perfected one of the hardest shots in basketball, the Floater.

[LoneyROY7]

so you concede to my argument wade isn't used as demonstration videos of excellent footwork...

because he doesn't have fantastic footwork. a jab two step is like the only move.

How could I concede, when your argument is so mind-numbingly stupid?

You're basing your opinion off of demonstration videos on you-tube. :facepalm

Congratulations, you don't know basketball. At all.

[BMOGEFan]

How could I concede, when your argument is so mind-numbingly stupid?

You're basing your opinion off of demonstration videos on you-tube. :facepalm

Congratulations, you don't know basketball. At all.

your biggest supporter Tenchu Ryu just said wade rams into the lane

yea...very fundamentally sound.

I'm at the conclusion your the only person who posts on here that don't watch basketball. Even Pauk watches more than you

[Tenchi Ryu]

your biggest supporter Tenchu Ryu just said wade rams into the lane

yea...very fundamentally sound.

I'm at the conclusion your the only person who posts on here that don't watch basketball. Even Pauk watches more than you
Thats when he was younger, he definitely chilled that shit out.

[BMOGEFan]

Thats when he was younger, he definitely chilled that shit out.

He still does...but now he damn bitches for a call instead of just getting phantoms like he used to.

[LoneyROY7]

your biggest supporter Tenchu Ryu just said wade rams into the lane

yea...very fundamentally sound.

I'm at the conclusion your the only person who posts on here that don't watch basketball. Even Pauk watches more than you

Great dude. Great.

You're a moron.

[BMOGEFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiJoWXQ5sMw


lets watch the rose play over again...what part of his action is fundamentally sound with decent footwork?

[Tenchi Ryu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiJoWXQ5sMw


lets watch the rose play over again...what part of his action is fundamentally sound with decent footwork?
Why would he need to use footwork when it was an open ass lane? He literally just walked in that fukker.

[roffie]

rose griffin

[LABean]

Wade, and it ain't close.

[Tenchi Ryu]

What keeps Rose off the list is that he's shown the drive to want to improve different aspects of his game. So if he ever did lose his athleticism, he'd find some way to still be effective. I see Rose doing what he's doing now, then becoming like Chauncey Billups in his mid-late 30s, and becoming more of a shooter.

[miggyme1]

Man some of yall sleeping on wade.he is the second best sg in the league for a reason.post game is outstandin and he has great footwork.now as far as players who rely to much on their athleticism it goes a lil summin like dis:

1. Russell westbrook
2. Dwight howard
3. Blake griffin
4.amare stoudemire
5.monta ellis
6. Michael beasley ( cant believe nobody named him )
7. Last but not least.........DEANDRE JORDAN.omg i thought javale mcghee was trash at least on denver he starting to look like something.deandre doesnt block shots well,his rebounding could be better,iq is just awful,defense is decent but he should be at least a carbon copy of ibaka at worst.maybe the clippers should move deandre to the four,griffin to the three cuz i notice griffin likes to dribble to damn much to be a pf.he gone have to try and develop a perimeter game like beasely has been tryin and the clippers start evans at the five.idk

[G-train]

Wade could easily average 20 a game without jumping. People dont watch Heat games? His low/high post game, midrange game is impeccable.

[okayabc123]

Wade's great footwork is heavily relied on his athleticism. The reason why he can do the eurostep or the spin moves is because he puts so much torque and effort to get try to get by his defenders. Kobe's footwork is not really on athleticism, he baits defenders and uses counter moves based on opponents defensive position.

That's why Wade when his athleticism declines, his game is going to be affected a lot more than Kobe does. Never mind that Wade can be inconsistent from mid-range and he is still a pretty poor 3 point shooter at best. Maybe one out of every 3-4 games he will make a few 3s, but he isn't reliable from the outside.

[donald_trump]

people still have no idea what they're talking about. its the great and super athletic ones now that will stay good players in the long run.

look at the ones who have long careers, all great athletes.

funny how bird, duncan, magic, etc all started declining quickly.
yet guys like shaq, jordan, malone, hakeem, russell, etc all had great longevity.

[Haymaker]

Derrick Rose. He's a poor man's Allen Iverson.

[MMM]

people still have no idea what they're talking about. its the great and super athletic ones now that will stay good players in the long run.

look at the ones who have long careers, all great athletes.

funny how bird, duncan, magic, etc all started declining quickly.
yet guys like shaq, jordan, malone, hakeem, russell, etc all had great longevity.

Agreed due to having more athleticism to spare but I disagree about Duncan declining quickly.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Derrick Rose. He's a poor man's Allen Iverson.
Rose has already surpassed Iverson when it comes to PG skills. You'd be better off comparing Westbrook to AI now.

[roffie]

tenchi ryu is fuming from all this rose love

[donald_trump]

Rose has already surpassed Iverson when it comes to PG skills. You'd be better off comparing Westbrook to AI now.

idiot.

[Tenchi Ryu]

idiot.
Sit here and tell me Iverson did a better job getting teammates involved, passing, and trying to get his teammates shots first better than Rose. I dare you to.

[Tenchi Ryu]

tenchi ryu is fuming from all this rose love
I ain't really mad tho
:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Just explaining stuff.

[stallionaire]

Lebron James
:oldlol:

[stallionaire]

Rose is injury prone, he lacks any practical basketball IQ to make up for his driving ability.

90% of his game is built on athleticism.

Without it he's useless. A weak 2-guard.

[Smoke117]

You are guys are idiots. Wade's game won't be affected as much as you think as he ages for one simple factor: length. A players length makes up for the fact that he is losing speed and quickness and Wade has incredible length that will keep him playing at an all star level until he is around 34-35.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Rose is injury prone,
First year being injured like this....so WRONG already


he lacks any practical basketball IQ to make up for his driving ability.
Is that why he leads the league in Hockey assists?


90% of his game is built on athleticism.
Is that why his most used shot is the floater, the one that requires a lot of practice and skill to pull off?

These haters don't be knowing what they talking bout.

[stallionaire]

Rose does have a nice floater but you have to be kidding to say that he doesn't burst into the lane/paint to pull it off in the first place.

[donald_trump]

Sit here and tell me Iverson did a better job getting teammates involved, passing, and trying to get his teammates shots first better than Rose. I dare you to.

i've almost completely forgotten boozer was a good player since he started playing with rose.

[Tenchi Ryu]

i've almost completely forgotten boozer was a good player since he started playing with rose.
Well you must not be paying attention, Boozer has been the same ole Boozer, putting up double double stats, and rebounding his ass off. He's still offensively strong, no one has a problem with his offense. Its his Defense that puts him on the chopping block..

[Tenchi Ryu]

Rose does have a nice floater but you have to be kidding to say that he doesn't burst into the lane/paint to pull it off in the first place.
Of course he does, but you said 90% as in thats ALL it is, and that's not the case at all. Now he COULD just blow by people, but now he uses more screens, crosses and brakes ankles and will dish the rock and get it back in the paint.

He still uses his athleticism, but his game wasn't PURELY based on it as much as last year.

[donald_trump]

Well you must not be paying attention, Boozer has been the same ole Boozer, putting up double double stats, and rebounding his ass off. He's still offensively strong, no one has a problem with his offense. Its his Defense that puts him on the chopping block..

why dont you rose homers ever get on rose about letting every single point guard he plays into the lane? if he was any good on defense that team would be unstoppable.

[comerb]

I'll start...

Dwyane Wade


Wade actually has a pretty legit post game for a SG. I actually think he's just going to end up being injured too much, as opposed to losing it on athleticism.

I'd probably say Westbrook, maybe Rose. I think Griffin will develop his post game as he ages.

[Nashty]

Griffin, Westbrook, Rose, Howard, Lawson

[Bigsmoke]

Griffin will be done. Lebron relies on his athleticism alot but with his ball handling and distributing I see him backing off the scoring himself and still being a top all round contributor. Westbrook atm but I think by the time he's that old he'll have learnt how to compensate.

way too early to say Blake since its only his 2nd season.

still a lot of time to improve in many areas

[D-Wade316]

OP is ****0t.

Peak and Prime Wade > Peak and Prime T-Mac. U mad? :lol

Wade has the best post-game in the SG position, footwork too. Kobitch can't even do a eurostep. Seriously.

[HylianNightmare]

dwight

[Bigsmoke]

Most players get hurt before retiring anyway.

Brad Miller is a player with no athletic ability and play by just pure skills and yet Vince Carter stayed relevant longer than he did.

not everybody is Steve Nash, Kareem, and Michael Jordan.

[The Ownage]

Griffin already has a decent post game. He'll definitely become somewhat like an Al Jefferson player once his athleticism is gone.


Dwight Howard and Josh Smith come to mind.

[Bandito]

Before I would say James but he improved in alot of facets in his offense, specially the post. He still sucks at them, but his jumper and post game improve slightly at least, so I think when his athleticsm is gone he could get at least 20 ppg per game. I don't if his passing would still as good because that facet of his game is very dependent of his athleticsm, but I see him averaging at least 4 assists per game. He's always gonna be a big guy so his rebound shouldn't get down much.

Rose now that's a player that I think if his athleticsm is gone he's gonna be like an Arenas type player. He hasn't done much to improve his game from what I've seen.

[JGXEN]

OP is ****0t.

Peak and Prime Wade > Peak and Prime T-Mac. U mad? :lol

Wade has the best post-game in the SG position, footwork too. Kobitch can't even do a eurostep. Seriously.
Seriously?

[Bandito]

Seriously?
2010 heat stan, just ignore him. He probably doesn't even know Wade's first name or name anyone outside from Bosh, Wade or Lebron.:facepalm

[D-Wade316]

2010 heat stan, just ignore him. He probably doesn't even know Wade's first name or name anyone outside from Bosh, Wade or Lebron.:facepalm
:lol I've been rooting for the Heat since '05.

[pegasus]

:lol I've been rooting for the Heat since '05.

Join date: June 2011.:lol

You're probably that purplechuck retard.

[6JamesIsKing]

Derrick Rose

[Snoop_Cat]

if Rose has excellent footwork, why'd he twist his knees?

I personally am not impressed with his footwork, but this is just beyond stupid

[(e)]

Anyone saying Wade, Rose, Westbrook are fcking retarded. All 3 of those guys are solid defenders, can hit the 3 ball, and are good mid range players. They only thing they lose when their athletisim declines is pulling off those highlight reel dunks, which doesn't account for much of what they offer. All 3 of those guys will be just fine as they age.

My answer: Blake Griffin. He is a post man with no post moves. Charles Barkley says this all the time, all he is, is a dunker. He's not a solid defender either. I can't think of another player in the league who relies on their athletisim as much as Blake does. He can hit a 15 footer, but not consistently enough as to where he doesn't have a huge drop of in production. Plain and simple, he needs to develop some post moves.

[arifgokcen]

Anyone saying Wade, Rose, Westbrook are fcking retarded. All 3 of those guys are solid defenders, can hit the 3 ball, and are good mid range players. They only thing they lose when their athletisim declines is pulling off those highlight reel dunks, which doesn't account for much of what they offer. All 3 of those guys will be just fine as they age.

My answer: Blake Griffin. He is a post man with no post moves. Charles Barkley says this all the time, all he is, is a dunker. He's not a solid defender either. I can't think of another player in the league who relies on their athletisim as much as Blake does. He can hit a 15 footer, but not consistently enough as to where he doesn't have a huge drop of in production. Plain and simple, he needs to develop some post moves.

LOL

[jjayfive]

rose and westbrook come to mind.. but they are still young...

wade is good footwork (euro step and probably the best spin move in the NBA).. but he has decent footwork out of the post...

i think lebron will do fine once his athleticism goes away, he is still very strong and big...

kobe has the best footwork overall...perhaps in the entire nba...

[arifgokcen]

Kobe has probably the best footwork however most of you underrate wade's footwork.I think he has a better low post game than kobe.

[Tenchi Ryu]

why dont you rose homers ever get on rose about letting every single point guard he plays into the lane? if he was any good on defense that team would be unstoppable.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Is that why Jrue Holiday had a terrible 26 point game the other day?

These Heat trolls just say any shit they can think of.

[wang4three]

Really hard to predict because you're basically assuming certain players wouldn't adjust. I remember when people said that Jason Kidd would become irrelevant when his speed gave out cause he wouldn't be able to run fastbreaks and had no jumper for the half court. Dude is still effective big time as he approaches 40.