Lebron James' skill in the block vs some random 1960s point guard

[CavaliersFTW]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/123/f/1/jimmyking1964_by_dantheman9758-d4ygg1c.gif

6-8 265lb King James showing 6-2 175lb Jim King how a true King works in the post :biggums:

[gtfomyface]

well these people weren't as athletic as lebron so they had to develop post moves instead of bulldozing to get to the basket :applause:

[BlueandGold]

This is why me and many other people are still convinced he's should be considered a PG. I believe it was Jalen Rose who brought up the fact that the positions (PG, SG, etc) were essentially terminology that was made up so that the average NBA/basketball fan can better keep track of the game.

In reality most SFs (any player above 6'6), especially the great ones, should be able to dominant the wing(block), something Lebron has not done a great job at.. yet he's considered one of the greatest SFs :facepalm.

That's why I'm still adamant about the fact that he should be considered a PG. In fact many analysists thought that was the position he should be playing full time in Miami.

[CavaliersFTW]

This is why me and many other people are still convinced he's should be considered a PG. I believe it was Jalen Rose who brought up the fact that the positions (PG, SG, etc) were essentially terminology that was made up so that the average NBA/basketball fan can better keep track of the game.

In reality most SFs (any player above 6'6), especially the great ones, should be able to dominant the wing(block), something Lebron has not done a great job at.. yet he's considered one of the greatest SFs :facepalm.

That's why I'm still adamant about the fact that he should be considered a PG. In fact many analysists thought that was the position he should be playing full time in Miami.

It's a crime that a man Lebron's size is that bad in the block... he could massacre people inside, centers included, if he'd just learn some elementary post-moves

[Al Thornton]

of all the rookie class, ur the weirdest.

8-)

[CavaliersFTW]

of all the rookie class, ur the weirdest.

8-)
:yaohappy:

[lilgodfather1]

Why use LeBron footage from 4 years ago?

[CavaliersFTW]

Why use LeBron footage from 4 years ago?
cuz not much has changed

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif

[Rowe]

Where are you getting those classic Black/White GIFS from?

Pretty intersting to see footage like that.

[CavaliersFTW]

Where are you getting those classic Black/White GIFS from?

Pretty intersting to see footage like that.

I make/upload them

[Scoooter]

I'm not sure why people care so much. The guy's about to be awarded his 3rd MVP, and none of them are anywhere near as questionable as, say, Kobe's in 2008 or Derrick Rose's last year. So he doesn't have Kevin McHale's back-to-the-basket game. It never goes the other way. No one whines about Dwight Howard not being able to slash or lead the break. LeBron's about as close to unstoppable as you get in this league. He can score, pass, rebound, and defend better than just about anybody else. He's one of the most explosive and dynamic perimeter players to ever step foot on the hardwood. He doesn't need a post game.

Honestly, he's probably a better player than about 90% of the guys in the Hall of Fame already. Most of the Lebron hate just seems really petty.

Although this thread does appear to have been started by a Cavs fan, so that's a better reason than most.

[Legends66NBA7]

Heh, got to admit I learned something new today.

[LeFraud James]

I'm not sure why people care so much. The guy's about to be awarded his 3rd MVP, and none of them are anywhere near as questionable as, say, Kobe's in 2008 or Derrick Rose's last year. So he doesn't have Kevin McHale's back-to-the-basket game. It never goes the other way. No one whines about Dwight Howard not being able to slash or lead the break. LeBron's about as close to unstoppable as you get in this league. He can score, pass, rebound, and defend better than just about anybody else. He's one of the most explosive and dynamic perimeter players to ever step foot on the hardwood. He doesn't need a post game.

Honestly, he's probably a better player than about 90% of the guys in the Hall of Fame already. Most of the Lebron hate just seems really petty.

Although this thread does appear to have been started by a Cavs fan, so that's a better reason than most.

Oh come off it.

If LeBron would put more effort working on his post game he would be on the level of prime Shaq. Someone you can simply NOT GUARD.

It sickens me that a player of his caliber is resorting to just getting by with his athleticism instead of learning the fundamentals and becoming the biggest force the NBA has ever seen.

But no, he chooses to work on his public image rather than practicing something that could get him some damn hardware.

It's his loss.

[donald_trump]

cuz not much has changed

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif

he got triple teamed.

and its easy to do those moves with that defender on you. how would jim king do with tony allen on him?

[donald_trump]

Oh come off it.

If LeBron would put more effort working on his post game he would be on the level of prime Shaq. Someone you can simply NOT GUARD.

It sickens me that a player of his caliber is resorting to just getting by with his athleticism instead of learning the fundamentals and becoming the biggest force the NBA has ever seen.

But no, he chooses to work on his public image rather than practicing something that could get him some damn hardware.

It's his loss.

interesting. 28ppg on 51% shooting over his last 4 seasons tells me lebron is pretty unstoppable as it is.

[Scoooter]

Oh come off it.

If LeBron would put more effort working on his post game he would be on the level of prime Shaq. Someone you can simply NOT GUARD.

It sickens me that a player of his caliber is resorting to just getting by with his athleticism instead of learning the fundamentals and becoming the biggest force the NBA has ever seen.

But no, he chooses to work on his public image rather than practicing something that could get him some damn hardware.

It's his loss.
Who can guard him now? He averages 27/8/6, while sharing the court with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

[CavaliersFTW]

interesting. 28ppg on 51% shooting over his last 4 seasons tells me lebron is pretty unstoppable as it is.
And yet, MJ/Kobe/Robertson/Bird/Magic would still massacre him in the post :lol

Just because your dominant doesn't mean you should get content and throw fundamentals and skill to the wayside. Lebron may be top tier based on talent, but he'll never reach his potential if he has the attitude you guys have about where he's at now vs where he could/should be

[Scoooter]

Guys like Carmelo Anthony can't massacre him in the post. Why would Jim King be able to? Because he can pump fake off a spin move against someone his own size?

[LeFraud James]

Who can guard him now? He averages 27/8/6, while sharing the court with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

I thought Marion did a swell job on him last year in the Finals.

Or does that not count because LeBron was working on his disappearing trick for his magic act?

Basic fundamentals would allow LeBron James to excel, and actually have some faith in his game when the pressure is at it's highest.

When all 5 players on the opposite side playing defense have their eyes set dead on you, waiting for your move, it wouldn't hurt to have some fundamentals to fall back on to help bail you out.

[qrich]

And yet, MJ/Kobe/Robertson/Bird/Magic would still massacre him in the post :lol

Just because your dominant doesn't mean you should get content and throw fundamentals and skill to the wayside. Lebron may be top tier based on talent, but he'll never reach his potential if he has the attitude you guys have about where he's at now vs where he could/should be


Steve Novak will massacre Shaq & Dwight from three :confusedshrug:

And no doubt, LeBron could be on a higher level if he can solidify/improve on some aspects of the game, but, as it is, there aren't very many players who can slow him down in the association.

By the way, got any full McAdoo games on youtube or anywhere? I've seen clips of him but want to see a view a full game.

[CavaliersFTW]

Steve Novak will massacre Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Dwight from three :confusedshrug:

By the way, got any full McAdoo games on youtube or anywhere? I've seen clips of him but want to see a view a full game.
Personally, I don't but I'll keep my eyes peeled for the full game of this:

http://youtu.be/CuQ3unu2YAQ

if someone else had it to make his highlights that means its out there in entirety somewhere on the net

[qrich]

Personally, I don't but I'll keep my eyes peeled for the full game of this:

http://youtu.be/CuQ3unu2YAQ

if someone else had it to make his highlights that means its out there in entirety somewhere on the net

Yeah, I've tried on google and youtube, no look. Thanks :cheers:

[Durant35]

LeBron would score 300 points if he plays in the 1960's. High school basketball players like Nerlens Noel will destroy Wilt Chamberlain in he plays in his era.

[inclinerator]

i dont get why lebron hasnt been in the post vs the knicks, i know he's trying to post from the high, but he should be sealing melo and getting in deep

[CardiacKemba]

I don't see how this thread makes any sense. The 'random guard' doesn't use any strength at all, he uses good foot work and a bit of a fake to get past his man. The likes of Tony Parker do similar all the time. Yet your argument here is based on size and mass? Please stop being bitter. I don't see ANY point as to why someone would make these pointless threads hating on Lebron or Kobe or whoever and trying to bash their game :facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't see how this thread makes any sense. The 'random guard' doesn't use any strength at all, he uses good foot work and a bit of a fake to get past his man. The likes of Tony Parker do similar all the time. Yet your argument here is based on size and mass? Please stop being bitter. I don't see ANY point as to why someone would make these pointless threads hating on Lebron or Kobe or whoever and trying to bash their game :facepalm

Ask yourself these Questions:

*Did Lebron incorporate jack-s*** from any of Hakeem Olajuwon's lessons on how to use footwork and fakes to play an inside game?

*Is Hakeem not in the same class of size as Lebron?

*Did Hakeem not use the same fundamental moves in the block with the same fundamental footwork as my "pointless" 60s point guard comparison?

If you answered no your in denial. If you answered yes, than you've reached the entire underlying point to my post, which is that Lebron has not developed his inside game and that he very well can, anyone can, cause it isn't based on physical gifts it's simple fundamental basketball and it is going to help anyone's game no matter how good they already are w/o it. Learning how to play inside is half the potential offensive game a player can add to their repertoire, and he should be getting easy buckets inside with his physical gifts. He's practically as big and strong as Dwight Howard, he's the weight of a center, and he's a forward meaning he should already have had both an inside and outside game. Being able to swing to center from time to time would also help the Heat immensely because he and Dwade play so similarly and the Heat's Joel Anthony is just plain awful, worst starting C in the league candidate. Throw out his stats all you want, it doesn't change the fact that Lebron is basically a 6-8 point guard and can not play effectively and use his gifts inside, he's missing half his potential offensive arsenal yet your totally satisfied where he's at now (not near his potential) due to stats? :confusedshrug:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Some sick footwork and ball-faking from the 60's dude in the OP - surprised no one has commented. Is that a Kobe-style "reverse pivot" that he does initially? Looks like it

[ShaqAttack3234]

and none of them are anywhere near as questionable as, say, Kobe's in 2008 or Derrick Rose's last year

:oldlol: at using Kobe's '08 MVP as an example of a questionable MVP selection. There are many better examples because Kobe's was not questionable.


Personally, I don't but I'll keep my eyes peeled for the full game of this:

http://youtu.be/CuQ3unu2YAQ

if someone else had it to make his highlights that means its out there in entirety somewhere on the net

Yeah, I've seen that full game. I'd upload it, but my recent youtube account got KO'd like a lot of the other NBA channels.

[PTB Fan]

Didn't James make some adjustments last season? He did. However, he needs to continue to add to it. He's a monster in the post and i've seen him go off several times. He'll need to do it consistently in this post season though. BTW, the move was really nice.

[dunksby]

Nice thread CavsFTW :applause:

[Carbine]

I've come to the conclusion that LeBron has a very average post game because his functional strength isn't very good. He will get pushed off the block, lose position way to much for a guy his size being guarded by players who typically defend him, like a JR Smith or around that 6'4 to 6'6 range and not as heavy.

He also doesn't have strength when posting up off the dribble, he can't just back him man down easily.

Put that together with his overall lack of consistent scoring skills down there and we see the result.

[PTB Fan]

His skills in the post are average as of now, but will probably improve with him continuing to force his way in there.

[lilgodfather1]

Thank you for using a more up to date example, but still he has improved down there this year. I'm not saying he is above average fro the post, not even close imo, but it is servicable, and if he puts in more work in the off season he might be able to move into the above average category. Funny thing is even without a dominant mid range shot, or a dominant post game he is stil the best player in the world.

Sometimes we forget that he is only 27 years old. He is still in his prime, and will be for the remainder of his tenure with the Heat. If he moves along after that then maybe he will finally have no choice but to develop the skills that he lacks. Until then enjoy the best player in the world.

[Whoah10115]

I know you're just being funny, but you don't help the discussion with threads like these.

[pauk]

lmao... that same ONE gif used by Lebron haters as the only statement to why Lebron has a "bad post game" or something, actually if Tony Allen wouldnt have luckily swiped the ball there Lebron would have layed it in, he backed Tony Allen all the way down there.... how about you also show the next 10 post plays that same exact game on the same exact Tony Allen? He was ragdolling him all the way down under the rim and laying it over him over and over :oldlol:

[pauk]

And oh... that second GIF... what does "post game" have anything to do with driving in from the 3pt line and then turn and make a simple jumpshot/runner?

[chazzy]

And oh... that second GIF... what does "post game" have anything to do with driving in from the 3pt line and then turn and make a simple jumpshot/runner?
That's a post move

[Indian guy]

The stupidity never ends :facepalm

I will never understand the logic behind criticizing a player for lacking a skill that 99% of the league doesn't have either.

The fact that LeBron's average jumper and inability to drive in the half-court, skills that are a million times more important for his position, doesn't bother fans a lot more is a testament to just how dumb people are. It's like they're incapable of analyzing what matters on the basketball court.

[chazzy]

The stupidity never ends :facepalm

I will never understand the logic behind criticizing a player for lacking a skill that 99% of the league doesn't have either.

The fact that LeBron's average jumper and inability to drive in the half-court, skills that are a million times more important for his position, doesn't bother fans a lot more is a testament to just how dumb people are. It's like they're incapable of analyzing what matters on the basketball court.
Weren't you the one who agreed that he could use one now BECAUSE of those other half court limitations?"

[Indian guy]

Weren't you the one who agreed that he could use one now BECAUSE of those other half court limitations?"

I wasn't "agreeing" with anyone. I said if people were going to criticize LeBron for lacking a skill-set that nobody else in the league possesses either, do so for the RIGHT reasons. Nobody does that though, of course. They are too stupid to get it.

[CavaliersFTW]

:oldlol: at using Kobe's '08 MVP as an example of a questionable MVP selection. There are many better examples because Kobe's was not questionable.



Yeah, I've seen that full game. I'd upload it, but my recent youtube account got KO'd like a lot of the other NBA channels.

would you by chance be able to upload it as an unlisted video, post the link on IH or PM it to me for a day, and then just delete it right after I've snagged the .flv? I would be happy to re-upload it on an alternate youtube channel afterwards so other members could watch it

[CavaliersFTW]

Thank you for using a more up to date example, but still he has improved down there this year. I'm not saying he is above average fro the post, not even close imo, but it is servicable, and if he puts in more work in the off season he might be able to move into the above average category. Funny thing is even without a dominant mid range shot, or a dominant post game he is stil the best player in the world.

Sometimes we forget that he is only 27 years old. He is still in his prime, and will be for the remainder of his tenure with the Heat. If he moves along after that then maybe he will finally have no choice but to develop the skills that he lacks. Until then enjoy the best player in the world.

I'll agree that he improved and added some consistency this year, I really want to see him develop further - he could be a literal 1-5 spot thread if he had an inside game as effective as his outside game

[Carbine]

The stupidity never ends :facepalm

I will never understand the logic behind criticizing a player for lacking a skill that 99% of the league doesn't have either.

The fact that LeBron's average jumper and inability to drive in the half-court, skills that are a million times more important for his position, doesn't bother fans a lot more is a testament to just how dumb people are. It's like they're incapable of analyzing what matters on the basketball court.

This makes no sense. If he had an average jumper and an in-ability to drive in the half court, how is he shooting 53 percent on the year? And averaging 28 or however many points he's averaging?

:confusedshrug:

[arifgokcen]

The stupidity never ends :facepalm

I will never understand the logic behind criticizing a player for lacking a skill that 99% of the league doesn't have either.

The fact that LeBron's average jumper and inability to drive in the half-court, skills that are a million times more important for his position, doesn't bother fans a lot more is a testament to just how dumb people are. It's like they're incapable of analyzing what matters on the basketball court.

You may just be the dumbest person on ISH.You know minus his rookie season he averages 28.5ppg on %492 shooting.

[Simple Jack]

That was probably Jim King's best highlight of his career.

[pauk]

That's a post move

Oh? Then Lebron has the best post moves ever... considering nobody is better at driving in and finishing like that or face up shoot midrange jumpers or blow by...

A post move i consider is only a move pulled with the back to the basket, like a fadeaway, drop step, spinof, backing a guy down and so on....

[Fudge]

LeBron would score 300 points if he plays in the 1960's. High school basketball players like Nerlens Noel will destroy Wilt Chamberlain in he plays in his era.
:roll:

LeRetard23, that you?

[DonDadda59]

cuz not much has changed

http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/11/25/101125035807433904.gif

That's not entirely true. He's worked to develop the beginnings of a solid post game, he has a nice reliable turnaround jumper. He's shortened up his game and it's done wonders for his efficiency (best PER and FG% of his career). But he still has a ways to go to develop his full potential on the block. He has all the tools (size, strength, quickness, ambidexterity, etc) now he just has to put in the hours in the gym during the off-season.

And this right here is just some top notch footwork.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/123/f/1/jimmyking1964_by_dantheman9758-d4ygg1c.gif

:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

That was probably Jim King's best highlight of his career.

He's got a lot of good plays - he could shoot, drive, dunk, handle the ball, and make great passes, don't make me make a bunch of gifs lol ... I'm diggin that avatar btw :roll:

[Simple Jack]

He's got a lot of good plays - he could shoot, drive, dunk, handle the ball, and make great passes, don't make me make a bunch of gifs lol ... I'm diggin that avatar btw :roll:

Can you please make a Jim King HL video with rap music? I'd pay for it.

:cheers:

[Whoah10115]

The stupidity never ends :facepalm

I will never understand the logic behind criticizing a player for lacking a skill that 99% of the league doesn't have either.

The fact that LeBron's average jumper and inability to drive in the half-court, skills that are a million times more important for his position, doesn't bother fans a lot more is a testament to just how dumb people are. It's like they're incapable of analyzing what matters on the basketball court.




I've heard you say some real stupid and annoying things, but this here is very well said and very much the truth.

[bdreason]

Posting GIF's of two plays certainly is undeniable proof. Looked like there were a lot of guys protecting the rim in that 60's GIF too. :oldlol:

[BlueandGold]

I'm not sure why people care so much. The guy's about to be awarded his 3rd MVP, and none of them are anywhere near as questionable as, say, Kobe's in 2008 or Derrick Rose's last year. So he doesn't have Kevin McHale's back-to-the-basket game. It never goes the other way. No one whines about Dwight Howard not being able to slash or lead the break. LeBron's about as close to unstoppable as you get in this league. He can score, pass, rebound, and defend better than just about anybody else. He's one of the most explosive and dynamic perimeter players to ever step foot on the hardwood. He doesn't need a post game.

Honestly, he's probably a better player than about 90% of the guys in the Hall of Fame already. Most of the Lebron hate just seems really petty.

Although this thread does appear to have been started by a Cavs fan, so that's a better reason than most.
I'm pretty sure this is why a lot of people don't like Lebron, crowned himself a king before he won anything, continues to do his prepubescent antics on the hardwood when he should be taking a much more serious and workmanlike approach to the game. You can just tell he doesn't yet know to win (preparation, routine, behavior) and what's more he acts like he already has.

[tmacattack33]

LOL. And the person guarding him was Tony Allen. A great athlete and great fundamentally sound defender.

The defender in the sixties gif looks like he never exercised a day in his life.

[CavaliersFTW]

Can you please make a Jim King HL video with rap music? I'd pay for it.

:cheers:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

LOL. And the person guarding him was Tony Allen. A great athlete and great fundamentally sound defender.

The defender in the sixties gif looks like he never exercised a day in his life.

I don't know how effective his defender is, I haven't watched that guys game before, but are you really resorting to eyeballing a dudes athleticism as a way to judge talent? From a grainy and miniscule 3 second b/w gif?

http://hoopstopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/act_kevin_love.jpg
2011 rebound leader, 30-30 game :bowdown:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/JaVale_McGee_and_Andrew_Bogut.jpg/562px-JaVale_McGee_and_Andrew_Bogut.jpg
2011 shot block leader (the fat one) :bowdown:

http://www.nba.com/media/act_dirk_nowitzki.jpg
2011 finals mvp :bowdown:

[CavaliersFTW]

Posting GIF's of two plays certainly is undeniable proof. Looked like there were a lot of guys protecting the rim in that 60's GIF too. :oldlol:
By all means, feel free to show me Lebron executing a similar quality post move. Should be pretty simple, that Jim King fella was a measly point guard good for 7.2ppg 2.3apg 2.5rpg back in the 60s, surely King James has got more skill in the post than a scrub like that! Go fetch me Lebron's best lets see if he can out skill a 7ppg 60s guard in the post :lol

[Simple Jack]

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/03/01/film-study-lebron-in-the-post/

First vid. After the first play...

You can't be serious thinking he has NO good post-plays...he has dozens although it's not his strong-suit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYZv85R_Rec

[bdreason]

By all means, feel free to show me Lebron executing a similar quality post move. Should be pretty simple, that Jim King fella was a measly point guard good for 7.2ppg 2.3apg 2.5rpg back in the 60s, surely King James has got more skill in the post than a scrub like that! Go fetch me Lebron's best lets see if he can out skill a 7ppg 60s guard in the post :lol


Here you go;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYZv85R_Rec&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD35ECFE72C9E01D5


Took me about 2 seconds. Better move, against a bigger, stronger, better defender. And he puts it over the help defender as well.


Next time, look it up yourself. Or better yet, just stop posting all together.

[CavaliersFTW]

Here you go;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYZv85R_Rec&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD35ECFE72C9E01D5


Took me about 2 seconds. Better move, against a bigger, stronger, better defender. And he puts it over the help defender as well.


Next time, look it up yourself. Or better yet, just stop posting all together.
Oh I totally see it now, so Lebron has developed to the point that he can now replicate Shaq's junk-hook. Therefore his post-moves are now on par with King's Olajuwon-esq footwork... rite? :confusedshrug: :oldlol:

[bdreason]

:facepalm

Oh I see, so Lebron's use of Shaq's ugly junk-hook is on par with King's Olajuwon-esq footwork :confusedshrug: :oldlol:


The point is to score the ball, and James scores from the post (even with a nice re-post) over TWO, bigger, stronger, better defenders.

I used to think you were a decent poster Jlauber, but you just come off as a clown lately. Maybe that's why you made this alt account? So you could say stupid shit and people wouldn't relate it to your other account?


Either way, you're embarrassing yourself.

[PHILA]

Looked like there were a lot of guys protecting the rim in that 60's GIF too.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_090202.html

2/2/2009

Walker says, to him, the biggest difference in the game now is the way the floor is open with the three point shot and zone that moves players out of the lane.

"When I played you had Wilt and Russell and Thurmond sitting there waiting for you," says Walker. "You didn't have access to the basket like they have now. Centers stayed inside."

[CavaliersFTW]

The point is to score the ball, and James scores from the post (even with a nice re-post) over TWO, bigger, stronger, better defenders.

I used to think you were a decent poster Jlauber, but you just come off as a clown lately. Maybe that's why you made this alt account? So you could say stupid shit and people wouldn't relate it to your other account?


Either way, you're embarrassing yourself.
:lol mad as hell

[bdreason]

:lol mad as hell


Whatever makes you feel better about your terrible threads.

[CavaliersFTW]

Whatever makes you feel better about your terrible threads.
Whats so terrible about calling Lebron's footwork and skill in the post into question? :confusedshrug: Obviously he's improved and I acknowledged that earlier in the thread, I want him to improve more, but several of you guys keep suggesting he's good enough as if he doesn't even need to work harder to get better. I sure hope Lebron isn't as content with his current post-game as you guys are. He's been taking steps in the right direction but he's got plenty of room to improve.

[bdreason]

Whats so terrible about calling Lebron's footwork and skill in the post into question? :confusedshrug: Obviously he's improved and I acknowledged that earlier in the thread, I want him to improve more, but several of you guys keep suggesting he's good enough as if he doesn't even need to work harder to get better. I sure hope Lebron isn't as content with his current post-game as you guys are. He's been taking steps in the right direction but he's got plenty of room to improve.


I don't think LeBron has a good post game at all. Neither does 90% of the NBA. That doesn't mean I'm going to make a retarded thread claiming some scrub from 1960 is somehow superior.

Maybe you should think about taking a different approach to your thread making. Maybe you've been on ISH too long, and the trolls have corrupted you.


Either way, the entire thread is laughable at best.

[Whoah10115]

This thread is so bad it's a shame.

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't think LeBron has a good post game at all. Neither does 90% of the NBA. That doesn't mean I'm going to make a retarded thread claiming some scrub from 1960 is somehow superior.

Maybe you should think about taking a different approach to your thread making. Maybe you've been on ISH too long, and the trolls have corrupted you.


Either way, the entire thread is laughable at best.
Oh come on now, maybe you don't read enough of my threads, because dry sarcasm underlies 90% of them. Do I think Jim King is a superior player to Lebron, f*ck no :roll:

But is it rather amusing to see a nameless 60s guard bust out an Olajuwon-esq post-move that Lebron has never been able to replicate to this point in his career? :oldlol: f*ck yes. That shit is funny, and IMO made this topic thread-worthy. I actually like the guy, but there's always truth to sarcasm and as even you recognize, he needs to work on his inside game.

I could have approached the thread with a snooze-fest title "Lebron should improve his inside game", without any gifs or humor to speak of... or I could add some extra flavor to keep it entertaining

[Blue&Orange]

What's new? Basketball today is all about run and jump, skills are secondary.

That's why someone like Bird get to be underrated.

That's why i cringe when someone compares Lebron to Jordan...Michael Jordan was a BASKETBALL player with freak athleticism, Lebron James is a freak athlete that plays basket... a world of difference.

That's why Wilt can't never be considered to be the GOAT, how do you name someone the greatest basketball of all time, when he couldn't shoot free throws?

What's next? A GOAT that can't dribble?

[MASH Transit]

interesting. 28ppg on 51% shooting over his last 4 seasons tells me lebron is pretty unstoppable as it is.

Him being ringless over that span suggest the opposite is true.

[AlphaWolf24]

What's new? Basketball today is all about run and jump, skills are secondary.

That's why someone like Bird get to be underrated.

That's why i cringe when someone compares Lebron to Jordan...Michael Jordan was a BASKETBALL player with freak athleticism, Lebron James is a freak athlete that plays basket... a world of difference.

That's why Wilt can't never be considered to be the GOAT, how do you name someone the greatest basketball of all time, when he couldn't shoot free throws?

What's next? A GOAT that can't dribble?


this..

[Simple Jack]

What's new? Basketball today is all about run and jump, skills are secondary.

That's why someone like Bird get to be underrated.

That's why i cringe when someone compares Lebron to Jordan...Michael Jordan was a BASKETBALL player with freak athleticism, Lebron James is a freak athlete that plays basket... a world of difference.

That's why Wilt can't never be considered to be the GOAT, how do you name someone the greatest basketball of all time, when he couldn't shoot free throws?

What's next? A GOAT that can't dribble?

Yea, we all know LeBron's passing ability and court vision comes from his athleticism. Acting like he's a less-skilled version of Blake Griffin is retarded. There have been plenty of freak athletes in the NBA who didn't have the success of LeBron James. On top of being a freak athlete, he's also a very skilled player with extremely high basketball IQ.

[PTB Fan]

What's new? Basketball today is all about run and jump, skills are secondary.

That's why someone like Bird get to be underrated.

That's why i cringe when someone compares Lebron to Jordan...Michael Jordan was a BASKETBALL player with freak athleticism, Lebron James is a freak athlete that plays basket... a world of difference.

That's why Wilt can't never be considered to be the GOAT, how do you name someone the greatest basketball of all time, when he couldn't shoot free throws?

What's next? A GOAT that can't dribble?


Even though i don't like Wilt, he has a legit case as the greatest player of all time. He couldn't shot his FT? He shot decent percentage of them early on though. Couldn't dribble? Wilt's handles were out of the ordinary for a center, especially back in the 60's where you had different rules of doing that.

I'm sure CavsFan has a footage of him taking it coast to coast against the entire defense and then dishing it off for easy points.

[LBJ 23]

Lebron James is a freak athlete that plays basket... a world of difference.




Stop with this shit... Why aren't James White, Gerald Green or Igoudala superstars then?

[bwink23]

he got triple teamed.

and its easy to do those moves with that defender on you. how would jim king do with tony allen on him?



Would it matter?? Lebron has a major size advantage over most players on the block. You don't have to be a great defender to defend Lebron on the block.

[CavaliersFTW]

Can you please make a Jim King HL video with rap music? I'd pay for it.

:cheers:
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/125/0/f/jimkingdunk_by_dantheman9758-d4yksc3.gif

jimmy "white-chocolate" king, 60s 6 footer dunkin like a baus :applause: :lol

What can't this 7ppg phenom do? :confusedshrug:

Must be tha White Cobra :bowdown:

[bdreason]

A bunch of defensive monsters on the court in that GIF. :oldlol:

[Simple Jack]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/125/0/f/jimkingdunk_by_dantheman9758-d4yksc3.gif

jimmy "white-chocolate" king, 60s 6 footer dunkin like a baus :applause: :lol

What can't this 7ppg phenom do? :confusedshrug:

Must be tha White Cobra :bowdown:

I just watched that clip to some Dr. Dre. It's almost as if it was made for it.

King Jimmy da Gawd

:hammertime:

[bwink23]

A bunch of defensive monsters on the court in that GIF. :oldlol:


Dude....i like Lebron, he's my fav player in the league today....but his post game is suspect, i don't care if Dolly Parton is guarding him on the blocks. :rolleyes:

[CavaliersFTW]

I just watched that clip to some Dr. Dre. It's almost as if it was made for it.

King Jimmy da Gawd

:hammertime:

U rite King Kobra needs a highlight reel with some underground gangsta shit. Guy is the progenitor of modern basketball as we know it :bowdown:

Can Shake like the Dream, Sky like Jordan, dish like Magic, and hustle like Rodman. League must have put restrictions on his game. No way he avg 7ppg by his own free will

[bdreason]

Dude....i like Lebron, he's my fav player in the league today....but his post game is suspect, i don't care if Dolly Parton is guarding him on the blocks. :rolleyes:


huh? I already stated LeBron doesn't have a good post-game. And the sentence you quoted was a response to the 2nd 60's GIF that was posted. The one where apparently John Stockton is playing Power Forward.... let's just say nobody was in fear of a chase-down block on that court. :oldlol:


And despite my avatar, I don't even really like LeBron. I hope the Heat lose, and lose miserably. I put this avatar up simply to counter the LeBron hate-train trend that started last year. It's funny when people come at me like I'm some big LeBron fan though.

[Simple Jack]

U rite King Kobra needs a highlight reel with some underground gangsta shit. Guy is the progenitor of modern basketball as we know it :bowdown:

Can Shake like the Dream, Sky like Jordan, dish like Magic, and hustle like Rodman. League must have put restrictions on his game. No way he avg 7ppg by his own free will

I heard when Jimmy was born, they instituted 14 rule changes in preparation of his inevitable dominance of every level of basketball.

[CavaliersFTW]

I heard when Jimmy was born, they instituted 14 rule changes in preparation of his inevitable dominance of every level of basketball.
First man to ever dunk in the NBA. Had to show Wilt and Russell how to do it.

[FKAri]

Oh come off it.

If LeBron would put more effort working on his post game he would be on the level of prime Shaq. Someone you can simply NOT GUARD.

It sickens me that a player of his caliber is resorting to just getting by with his athleticism instead of learning the fundamentals and becoming the biggest force the NBA has ever seen.

But no, he chooses to work on his public image rather than practicing something that could get him some damn hardware.

It's his loss.

Im sure he has worked on it and continues to work on it. Not everyone can hit the gym and become Kevin McHale.

[Blue&Orange]

Stop with this shit... Why aren't James White, Gerald Green or Igoudala superstars then?
If you think i'm gonna argue with an idiot that just compared the physical attributes of Lebron to those 3, you're wrong. I will do just this:



:lol

[nightprowler10]

Weren't you editing a video on Big O? If do, I've got two questions for you..

Where's the link?

Gimme the link

[LBJ 23]

If you think i'm gonna argue with an idiot that just compared the physical attributes of Lebron to those 3, you're wrong. I will do just this:



:lol


The only idiot here is you. In your first post you make it sound like Lebon is all athleticism and nothing else. And I did not compare those 3 directly to Lebron, but lets say that Lebron is in a category by himself as far as athleticism is concerned and then you go one categeroy below this ''Lebron category'' and I'm pretty sure you can throw all those 3 players in there.

If Lebron is the best player in the game then all those 3 players should be at least top 10 don't you think? I'm just following your logic, athleticism is all that matters....

[cltcfn2924]

he got triple teamed.

and its easy to do those moves with that defender on you. how would jim king do with tony allen on him?


Nobody mentioned he took like 4 steps? He just bowls people over and travels, and gets to the line for it. Let's get real.

[Whoah10115]

Damn, every time I look at this thread it's worse and worse. OP should be ashamed.

[Calabis]

It's a crime that a man Lebron's size is that bad in the block... he could massacre people inside, centers included, if he'd just learn some elementary post-moves

When he first came into the league, I was like....damn this dude can be better than Jordan......several years later....:sleeping still waiting...dude needs to refine the small things...post play, off the ball jumper

[Pointguard]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/125/0/f/jimkingdunk_by_dantheman9758-d4yksc3.gif

jimmy "white-chocolate" king, 60s 6 footer dunkin like a baus :applause: :lol

What can't this 7ppg phenom do? :confusedshrug:

Must be tha White Cobra :bowdown:
I thought you were going to show the one where he did a no look, leap from the foul line, double clutch dunk, two plays prior to this one. But you probably save the best for your youtube releases.

[CavaliersFTW]

Weren't you editing a video on Big O? If do, I've got two questions for you..

Where's the link?

Gimme the link

lol, my bad Oscars video is taking a long time to edit, he's got a decent amount of footage in his prime, so as a hold over I made this little preview from a few of the clips in it:

http://youtu.be/hwyXpVNopYE
(still uploading, should be live in about 15 minutes)

Final vid prob gonna be between 10-12 minutes in total of highlights in his prime

[CavaliersFTW]

lol, my bad Oscars video is taking a long time to edit, he's got a decent amount of footage in his prime, so as a hold over I made this little preview from a few of the clips in it:

http://youtu.be/hwyXpVNopYE
(still uploading, should be live in about 15 minutes)

Final vid prob gonna be between 10-12 minutes in total of highlights in his prime
video now live

[The Iron Fist]

K
I'm not sure why people care so much. The guy's about to be awarded his 3rd MVP, and none of them are anywhere near as questionable as, say, Kobe's in 2008 or Derrick Rose's last year. So he doesn't have Kevin McHale's back-to-the-basket game. It never goes the other way. No one whines about Dwight Howard not being able to slash or lead the break. LeBron's about as close to unstoppable as you get in this league. He can score, pass, rebound, and defend better than just about anybody else. He's one of the most explosive and dynamic perimeter players to ever step foot on the hardwood. He doesn't need a post game.

Honestly, he's probably a better player than about 90% of the guys in the Hall of Fame already. Most of the Lebron hate just seems really petty.

Although this thread does appear to have been started by a Cavs fan, so that's a better reason than most.
You have a chance to take back that statement.

[Rake2204]

My issue with the teams in the 60's is they sometimes lacked offensive awareness. Look at this, he basically passes it right to him. Not only that, but once he steals it, he veers to build up speed and still beats them to the rim. Rudy LaRusso and Jerry West = Overrated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5ghEoV1jx0

[sundizz]

interesting. 28ppg on 51% shooting over his last 4 seasons tells me lebron is pretty unstoppable as it is.

Honestly, do you even play basketball? It is insanely hard to just 'add a post game'. No matter how much you practice the post game, some of that stuff is just things you develop as a kid growing up. If anything he should crash the offensive boards more often and then bulldoze a putback. His best asset is his ability to be fast and in control. A Bron pick and roll, or a Bron isolation at the top of the key (when he drives) are two of the most efficient and best plays in all of basketball. Additionally, Chris Bosh is excellent on the block. If they need to have a post shot, they should throw it in to him.

Easy to talk nonsense keyboard junkie. Have you ever developed something from practice in your life?
*Sorry i quoted the wrong person lol. Fail.

[therammingman]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Lebron%20James/--vs--6.gif

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/123/f/1/jimmyking1964_by_dantheman9758-d4ygg1c.gif

6-8 265lb King James showing 6-2 175lb Jim King how a true King works in the post :biggums:

that old vid reminds me of how i play....

[Mr Exlax]

The thing that gets me is that Lebron gets slaughtered for not having a post game. How many SF have a post game? How many Centers and PF in the NBA right now have a post game? Would a post game help him? Of course. Can he get by without one? Yup

[upside24]

The thing that gets me is that Lebron gets slaughtered for not having a post game. How many SF have a post game? How many Centers and PF in the NBA right now have a post game? Would a post game help him? Of course. Can he get by without one? Yup
That's not the point though. LeBron as great as he is, is not good enough, at least to some people. It doesn't matter if he develops McHale level post moves, people will move to another weak area of his game to criticize him. Either that or they will post gifs of bailout shots or from years ago as proof that he is not capable of post work even though we have been watching him shit on people on the block.

[Mr Exlax]

Guess they gotta hate on something. I still haven't seen a player with 0 holes in their game.

[jlauber]

Lebron's post game has been quite good in this post-season.

[Mr Exlax]

Lebron's post game has been quite good in this post-season.

See i don't think it has. i mean yeah he has his back to the basket, but i havent seen a bunch of moves. just a turnaround here and there. those are post moves, but pople are expecting him to have big man moves with the footwork and all that. funny part is that not too many big men have big man moves anymore.

[Rake2204]

Lebron's post game has been quite good in this post-season.
I'm not sure I've been locked in to paying attention to LeBron's post game this playoffs but it seems relatively limited at this point. It's further along than it has been, but I feel like I see a lot of right hand jump hooks and that's about it. I'll fully admit I might be missing a lot though. I'll have to begin paying better attention to that portion of his game now.

[Indian guy]

I'll fully admit I might be missing a lot though.

You're not. Like everybody else in the league, he has limited skills down low and barely ever posts up. It's an irrelevant issue though. The absolute last thing he should worry about concerning his game.

[jlauber]

In any case, Lebron is currently averaging a 31-9-5 in this year's Finals. If that is not enough to win a ring, he will still be ripped for it.

[stephanieg]

You're not. Like everybody else in the league, he has limited skills down low and barely ever posts up. It's an irrelevant issue though. The absolute last thing he should worry about concerning his game.

You're the guy always berating him for having declined athletically (which I kinda agree with) and that he has a limited jumpshot.

So wouldn't more post ups be a good place to focus?

He doesn't even need to be Hakeem down there, just Shaq it right to the basket and dunk. If they put a big guy on him, face up.

[CavaliersFTW]

Can you please make a Jim King HL video with rap music? I'd pay for it.

:cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOz22MDBGf4

:bowdown:

[Ketchup]

Can we get a video of Lebron's domination from the post in the finals series? Passing, shooting, moves, spins, etc.

He took it to a whole new level in terms of post play for himself and a final series. That seriously was one of the more dominant series we've seen from the post since the early 2000's.

[BMOGEFan]

he got triple teamed.

and its easy to do those moves with that defender on you. how would jim king do with tony allen on him?

He got triple teamed...is that the best excuse you can come up with?

What about the obvious travel. you probably didn't see that fanboy.

[Jax]

He got triple teamed...is that the best excuse you can come up with?

What about the obvious travel. you probably didn't see that fanboy.
How about It's one damn clip out of hundreds of possessions in the post? LOL
Clown.