Blake Griffin Best PF In The Game

[selrahc]

Blake Griffin is the best power forward in the game. He has a variety of post moves, good footwork, scoring ability, rebounding, passing, defense, good flopping skills to get calls, etc. He led the Clippers to a victory tonight against the Grizzlies and he will dominate the Spurs in the second round.

Blake Griffin has chance to be greatest PF of all time, if he wins couple championships.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kurt_rambis]

inb4 shitstorm

[Stern]

GOAT Flopper.

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[Clippersfan86]

inb4 shitstorm

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[Alamo]

I was with you up until you said greatest PF of all time, **** all that noise.

But props to BG!! People are so busy hating on him that they can't appreciate his game.

:applause:

[1987_Lakers]

Call me when...

- he learns how to play defense
- learns how to shoot and make a FT
- Stop flopping like a bitch

Love is better right now.

[Clippersfan86]

Call me when...

- he learns how to play defense
- learns how to shoot and make a FT
- Stop flopping like a bitch

Love is better right now.

He's played very solid D this series :confusedshrug: . Randolph and Gasol are being shut the fu** down by the Clippers bigs.

[1987_Lakers]

He's played very solid D this series :confusedshrug: . Randolph and Gasol are being shut the fu** down by the Clippers bigs.

Playing good defense in 4 games doesn't make you a good defender. Dude has been trash defensively all season long.

Next.

[Miserio]

He's the best athlete at the PF position of alltime. He's as athletic as prime Kemp and stronger than him, he needs to learn fundamentals, learn how to post up and throw a hook properly and he definitely needs that bank shot or at least mid range Tim Duncan used to have, that's gonna give him easy points spending way less energy.

Somophore Duncan was a better player than Somophore Blake.

[Stern]

Call me when...

- he learns how to play defense
- learns how to shoot and make a FT
- Stop flopping like a bitch

Love is better right now.
He is being carried by Chris Fall and the refs.

He aint got sh1t on Love let alone guys like KG, Duncan, Barkley, Dirk, and Malone.

[Celtic_Pride]

Dirk
Aldridge
Love
Duncan
KG
Gasol

all are clearly better. I might have missed 1 or 2 names

[talkingconch]

posting in a roll bread

[Clippersfan86]

He's the best athlete at the PF position of alltime. He's as athletic as prime Kemp and stronger than him, he needs to learn fundamentals, learn how to post up and throw a hook properly and he definitely needs that bank shot or at least mid range Tim Duncan used to have, that's gonna give him easy points spending way less energy.

Somophore Duncan was a better player than Somophore Blake.

I'm not used to this side of you :oldlol: . Last year it was always "fu** the Clippers" type stuff. I think more realistic is Griffin can be a top 5 PF of all time IF he does everything right and hits potential. It's possible to go higher but passing Duncan, Malone, Barkley, KG and Dirk is going to take one hell of a career+resume by Blake.

[longhornfan1234]

Kevin Love
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[coin24]

When he develops better post moves and free throw shooting get back to me.

Needs to ditch that 360 spinning hook shit, off balance garbage..

Also stop flopping and crying to the refs after every shot:facepalm



He dunks nicely though:oldlol:

[b0bab0i]

Playing good defense in 4 games doesn't make you a good defender. Dude has been trash defensively all season long.

Next.
:coleman:
Defense in the post-season, where it matters.

Exactly what you lakers fans say, Post-seasons is all that counts.

I don't think he will be GOAT PF tho.

[Bigsmoke]

Maybe next year

[Kiddlovesnets]

Dirk
Aldridge
Love
Duncan
KG
Gasol

all are clearly better. I might have missed 1 or 2 names

These two are way too old now, cant say they are better. Swap Duncan and KG with Bosh and Stoudemire and your list will be correct.

[Scoooter]

His footwork's kind of shitty. He takes a lot of shots where he isn't even looking at the rim.

[ihatetimthomas]

It would be awesome if he hooked up with Hakeem in the off season. He has all the tools to be a great all around player. He has incredible agility but sometimes his spinning is out of control. And he dribbles too much. Id like his back to the basket to improve.

[blacknapalm]

His footwork's kind of shitty. He takes a lot of shots where he isn't even looking at the rim.

essentially, this. he frequently jumps off the wrong foot and he's not fundamentally sound. he also needs to work on his closeout D and his help side D.

he is making improvements though. at this point, i would take love, dirk and aldridge over him. i would maybe take bosh or gasol over him as well. i think both are underutilized a bit so it's hard to really compare. it's also hard to gauge z-bo too because i don't think he's close to 100%

[kNIOKAS]

These two are way too old now, cant say they are better. Swap Duncan and KG with Bosh and Stoudemire and your list will be correct.
Piss off, brigand.

14.3/8.8/2.5 on 47% or
17/10.5/2.5 on 48% with shitloads of experience and pivotal defensive presence aint good for you? And I'd take them over Griffen for now.

[CeltsGarlic]

These two are way too old now, cant say they are better. Swap Duncan and KG with Bosh and Stoudemire and your list will be correct.

Srsly?? Swap KG with Bosh or stat in celtics arent a playoff team...

[TheCalmInsanity]

Playing good defense in 4 games doesn't make you a good defender. Dude has been trash defensively all season long.

Next.

Ah, so playing defense where it counts (unlike the season) and where it's more physical and demanding doesn't matter...

I was thinking backwards this whole time!! Thanks for teaching me!

[alenleomessi]

Yup, even though he still has many holes in his game, he is arguably the best PF in the game... im sorry but Dirk was pretty uninterested this season and call me when Love makes the playoffs or is valuable to his team.

[Micku]

It would be awesome if he hooked up with Hakeem in the off season. He has all the tools to be a great all around player. He has incredible agility but sometimes his spinning is out of control. And he dribbles too much. Id like his back to the basket to improve.

He could learn some moves by watching Karl Malone.

Griffin has a lot to learn. He does have an ok post game. A lot of ppl underrated him with his post game. It just that his game is so raw and it needs to be polish. If he is devoted enough to improve his game, then he'll be something. He is a good passer and a good rebounder. He's not a great defender, but he can turn it up on D when it counts sometimes. He actually needs to demand the ball more because he draws attention. Since he is a good passer, he'll open up his teammates more.

I don't think he is the best PF atm, but you can make a case and I won't argue much.

[chips93]

It would be awesome if he hooked up with Hakeem in the off season. He has all the tools to be a great all around player. He has incredible agility but sometimes his spinning is out of control. And he dribbles too much. Id like his back to the basket to improve.

hakeems off season coaching is really overrated imo

emeka okafor and josh smith both spent time with hakeem, with little improvements. howard, kobe and lebron both improved a bit, but its not like they revolutionised their games, and its hardly fair to credit hakeem, and hakeem alone for their improvements.

[Lebron23]

Not Yet

[creepingdeath]

No.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m389eaO3g61r5v41vo1_500.gif

[NumberSix]

I'll give Blake top 30 current PFs

[ClutchOver9000]

posting in a roll bread

:lol trust me, there are always ppl crumb enough to fall for the bait

[BGriffin's Dad]

:applause:

it's obvious to any real fan of this sport

[Tenchi Ryu]

:applause:

it's obvious to any real homer of this team
Fixed

[Miserio]

Blake is tough and plays his heart out every game, i respect that and I would love a PF like that on my C's, even with his floping.

[DuMa]

I dont think that title belongs to anyone right now. you could make a case for the top 5-7 PFs as the TOP PF. its not clear cut as it is right like with Lebron as the top SF

[Deuce Bigalow]

not even the best PF in LA

[Sharmer]

Blake Griffin is the best power forward in the game. He has a variety of post moves, good footwork, scoring ability, rebounding, passing, defense, good flopping skills to get calls, etc. He led the Clippers to a victory tonight against the Grizzlies and he will dominate the Spurs in the second round.

Blake Griffin has chance to be greatest PF of all time, if he wins couple championships.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

He's not even the best PF dunker of all time.

[Uncle Drew]

He's not even the best PF dunker of all time.
Stop bumping threads.

[moe94]

He's not even the best PF dunker of all time.

Who is?

[kurple]

i personally liked Kemps dunks more

but you cant go wrong with either

[senelcoolidge]

Kemp had better dunks, Griffin is just the better player.

[Wavves]

Blake Griffin is the best power forward in the game. He has a variety of post moves, good footwork, scoring ability, rebounding, passing, defense, good flopping skills to get calls, etc.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[BoutPractice]

He actually does have good footwork and moves. I don't know where this notion that he's unskilled came from... but it spread like a virus to the point where people started accepting it. Did you see him handle the ball? Pass?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEVi_H5jYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOIBFbGCqvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbLtr4Mik8o

Doesn't look like an unskilled player to me.

It baffles me how people miss what Griffin's actual problem on the court is, leading them to criticize them for all the wrong reasons... Griffin's true limitation is not skills in the post. Griffin's true limitation is that he lacks length compared to other bigmen in the league. What he does in the post given his physical profile is actually quite impressive, but what he really needs is to keep improving on his jumpshot.

[GaryRaymond23]

Going off of statistics I suppose it's debatable but there's a few guys I'd definitely take over him at the PF Position.

LMA, AD, Love etc.

[Jasper]

I still consider this the PF era ... / misses centers , that is why the all-star game is front court to allow PF's to play the 5 as some have to since they came into the league.
Other than SG's being weak in the league , the 5 is weak as heII

Kudos' to Cousins ,Aldridge , Hortford and a list of others playing out of position to cover the 5 spot.

[PsychoBe]

He actually does have good footwork and moves. I don't know where this notion that he's unskilled came from... but it spread like a virus to the point where people started accepting it. Did you see him handle the ball? Pass?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEVi_H5jYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOIBFbGCqvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbLtr4Mik8o

Doesn't look like an unskilled player to me.

It baffles me how people miss what Griffin's actual problem on the court is, leading them to criticize them for all the wrong reasons... Griffin's true limitation is not skills in the post. Griffin's true limitation is that he lacks length compared to other bigmen in the league. What he does in the post given his physical profile is actually quite impressive, but what he really needs is to keep improving on his jumpshot.


barkley had less length than griffin but was infinitely better in the post.

face it griffin shies away from the post because he's not good at it so he sticks to running pick and rolls and ugly 10-15-ft jumpers that no defender will respect

[Darius]

barkley had less length than griffin but was infinitely better in the post.

face it griffin shies away from the post because he's not good at it so he sticks to running pick and rolls and ugly 10-15-ft jumpers that no defender will respect

Except he averages 0.97 points per post up... 22nd in the league.

That's after a slow start.

He'll be top 10 before season is done.

[senelcoolidge]

Griffin is very effective in the post. He has hook shots, a fadeaway against the glass, and a few other things. He's unorthodox, but that doesn't matter..as long as the ball goes in the basket that's what matters. He has good footwork if you actually watch Clipper games. He is sometimes not consistent though. He's definitely more comfortable facing up.

[PsychoBe]

he has 0 go-to moves in the post and has very little footwork and style. the first thing a big-man has to do is establish a go-to move that they can do without a second thought. it's a sad day when a defensive center like hibbert can establish a consistent go-to move (left-hook) while other bigs like griffin, dwight, and ibaka cannot.

[Darius]

he has 0 go-to moves in the post and has very little footwork and style. the first thing a big-man has to do is establish a go-to move that they can do without a second thought. it's a sad day when a defensive center like hibbert can establish a consistent go-to move (left-hook) while other bigs like griffin, dwight, and ibaka cannot.

Kids = bring unsubstantiated drivel

Men = back things up with facts

[PsychoBe]

Kids = bring unsubstantiated drivel

Men = back things up with facts

you didn't even know that hibbert had a go-to move which is fine i'm sure you dont watch as much basketball as i do plus judging by your last response to me you knew what i was saying was true you're just hoping that he will improve by the end of the season which remains to be seen

[senelcoolidge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5O0cc0I0vk
Old video so he's improved since than, but this has a small sample of his post moves. So many people here that obviously don't watch the Clippers shouldn't talk, they sound silly with the things they say. I don't get to watch a lot of Raptors games, so I don't talk about their player..because I don't watch them enough to make criticisms, it might make me look silly.

[PsychoBe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5O0cc0I0vk
Old video so he's improved since than, but this has a small sample of his post moves. So many people here that obviously don't watch the Clippers shouldn't talk, they sound silly with the things they say. I don't get to watch a lot of Raptors games, so I don't talk about their player..because I don't watch them enough to make criticisms, it might make me look silly.

i've seen the video before so this isn't new to me but its truly sad that all this does is prove my point. he has 0 go-to moves, awkward footwork, and takes ugly jumpers from 10/15 ft. we both saw him get exposed in the playoffs, leading his team to a first round exit vs a man who was so proficient in the post that nba analysts and legends had to breakdown exactly how and why he was so effective on the court

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ziDwNq0XFI

call me when griffin reaches this level. until then enjoy watching him lead his team to mediocrity

[russwest0]

Dirk
Aldridge
Love
Davis

are all better.

Holy shit the west is stacked.

[chips93]

barkley had less length than griffin but was infinitely better in the post.

well, yeah, barkley is a hall of famer


face it griffin shies away from the post because he's not good at it so he sticks to running pick and rolls and ugly 10-15-ft jumpers that no defender will respect

or its because he has a quickness advantage over his match up almost every night

[PsychoBe]

well, yeah, barkley is a hall of famer



or its because he has a quickness advantage over his match up almost every night

aldridge does too yet we both know that hes much more proficient in the post than griffin. post moves isnt about quickness or athleticism, its about read-and-react, position and repetition. athleticism adds on to that which is why its sad to see griffin with all his great athleticism and talent is unable to have 1 go-to move after all these year in the league.

[senelcoolidge]

You know you're dealing with kids or low intelligence when something has to look pretty to be good or effective. If it's ugly than it's not good. :oldlol: It doesn't matter if his form is unorthodox. He's still effective and one of the best in the paint. He's no where as bad as some people make him out to be. But that doesn't matter..you can't argue with stupid..:D .

[PsychoBe]

You know you're dealing with kids or low intelligence when something has to look pretty to be good or effective. If it's ugly than it's not good. :oldlol: It doesn't matter if his form is unorthodox. He's still effective and one of the best in the paint. He's no where as bad as some people make him out to be. But that doesn't matter..you can't argue with stupid..:D .

i understand you have little to no counter arguments and are cherry picking one statement and running with it in order to justify your point but at the end of the day the facts are:

1) griffin has 0 go-to moves

2) his lack of post proficiency has lead his team to either a first round exit or a second round sweep

[chips93]

aldridge does too yet we both know that hes much more proficient in the post than griffin. post moves isnt about quickness or athleticism, its about read-and-react, position and repetition. athleticism adds on to that which is why its sad to see griffin with all his great athleticism and talent is unable to have 1 go-to move after all these year in the league.

griffin is much much quicker than aldridge

its not even close really

if griffin is so bad in the post, why is he scoring so efficiently down there?

[PsychoBe]

griffin is much much quicker than aldridge

its not even close really

if griffin is so bad in the post, why is he scoring so efficiently down there?

i was speaking quickness relative to the defender.

i wouldn't call 22nd in the league efficient but again we can also say that statistically one who shies away from the post and has less attempts will look more efficient by percentage than someone who scores almost exclusively from the post. which in the same vein would be saying that lebron is a better 3pt shooter than ray allen if we're going strictly by percentage and we both know that's not true.

now i have a question for you.

is griffin as he is capable of doing anything beyond leading his team past a first round exit or a second round sweep?

[iznogood]

1) griffin has 0 go-to moves

2) his lack of post proficiency has lead his team to either a first round exit or a second round sweep
Larry Bird was a dominant player in the post and he didn't have a go to move either. He could score in many ways, depending on who was guarding him and how. I'd say the go-to move is a concept, that is used by players, who are not talented enough to score in variety of ways and have the physical advantage (let it be size or length) over their match ups to perform this move successfully.
And the second argument is even weaker. For sure there were many different reasons that lead Clippers to early exits. Basketball is a team sport, so saying Blake's lack of post proficiency is the reason for an early exit is pretty stupid imo.

[notatop29pg]

I'm a Blake fan but I agree that he doesn't have a "go to" move in the low post. This doesn't make him any less effective though, I think he makes it up as he goes and his strength/quickness/explosiveness make up for any lack of choreographed moves.

[JebronLames]

Blake just got stuffed by the rim on a dunk attempt :lol

[Le Shaqtus]

I miss Clippersfan :(

[Al Thornton]

blake does have a go to move. the bank hook shot over the left shoulder he uses every game.

[PsychoBe]

Larry Bird was a dominant player in the post and he didn't have a go to move either. He could score in many ways, depending on who was guarding him and how. I'd say the go-to move is a concept, that is used by players, who are not talented enough to score in variety of ways and have the physical advantage (let it be size or length) over their match ups to perform this move successfully.
And the second argument is even weaker. For sure there were many different reasons that lead Clippers to early exits. Basketball is a team sport, so saying Blake's lack of post proficiency is the reason for an early exit is pretty stupid imo.

a go-to move is first and foremost the most basic move a big-man does down on the block that will almost always result in a bucket most of the time. technically hakeem didn't have a go-to move either but he was so sound fundamentally (like Bird) that every move could be considered a go-to move. they'd say "if he fakes left he's going hard right for sweeping hook" and instead in real time he'd fake left, hesitate, fake right, pump-fake, pivot, pump-fake, get you in the air, and score. he literally did whatever he wanted down there, as did kevin mchale did too.

second, believe it or not, but blake's game as is will not translate into much playoff success, if any. he has to modify his game and become a demon in the low block to find any sustained success in the post season so that they can run plays through him and force a double team to wide-open shooters.


blake does have a go to move. the bank hook shot over the left shoulder he uses every game.

i believe i know what you're talking about and that is not a go-to move that is a prayer shot that he throws up from time to time. dwight is good with his left hand but i wouldnt call a left hook off the glass his go-to move since there are times he cant even get the shot off (same with blake). i've never seen hibbert unable to get his left hook shot off and his range on the shot is simply incredible as well. only thing i will say about griffin is that he is a good face-up big like bosh but even so he's still not quite there yet and his talents would be best suited in the low block him and dwight should be power players not ballerinas.

[Fiasco]

Join Date: Jan 2014

[NustABut]

I love Blake, but he seems to not be able to go off two feet in the post.

He'll make a fantastic spin move or spin drive, and go off one foot and throw up an awkward shot (That still goes in O.O). A lot of times he gets bumped off balance during the move and he misses, it just feels like if he planted and went off two feet, he would have a much better chance of making the shot or drawing a foul (not that he has any trouble with doing so).

[senelcoolidge]

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/dispelling-the-blake-griffin-myths/

For people on ISH that can read more than 60 words.

[scm5]

Remember when people criticized Lebron for not having a go to move? 27ppg on 57% says hi. So does 26ppg on 58%.

I do think BG is the best PF in the league right now followed really closely by Love. LMA is third.

[Black and White]

LMA > Griffin