Chris Webber talking about Blake Griffin's Flopping

[Apogee]

Welcome to Flop city.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qel0efA3wQ&feature=g-all-u

Webber does have a point in that all the players know you flop. In this day and age everyone has video. You'll just get no respect.

[GOBB]

Blake got owned. Webber is spot on. No one respects that crap.

[Teanett]

too late c-webb,
b!tch flippin has ruined his reputation already.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

too late c-webb,
b!tch flippin has ruined his reputation already.
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[Teanett]

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[CavaliersFTW]

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[GOBB]

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[Teanett]

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[Grey Dawn]

Yep, CWebb was right on, Griffin always pulls that 'feels contact, then 2 seconds later throws his head back, grabs his face, and sends his body flying to 'project' contact and injury that don't actually happen.

And his acting is real real bad. He's like a soccer player...a light bump to the shoulder and he's on the floor rolling around grabbing his face.

He was doing this real bad last night, with various obvious instances, and props to CWebb for not worrying that Griffin is the league's baby, and calling a spade a spade.

[vegasbigshots]

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Griffin and CP3 = FLOP City.

[DGARAS]

theres a difference between divac flopping and blake flopping

divac flopping is admirable because its a skill

[Sarcastic]

Blake Griffin has already lost all respect from all the flopping.

[Clippersfan86]

I lost so much respect for Webber last night. Guy is an idiot. Not only did he complain about the Clippers all night when he was supposed to be an unbiased party but he's been hating on them all year. This guy was a KING flopper on the Kings, the worst flopping team in NBA history (yup worse than Clippers). Yet he has the nerve to call our players out all game? :oldlol:.

He's just like every other bitch analyst who predicted the Grizzlies to dominate the series and can't figure out why they are down 1-3... so they blame flopping. It's sad really. No credit at all given to Clippers.

[donald_trump]

theres a difference between divac flopping and blake flopping

divac flopping is admirable because its a skill

blake acts like hes been hit by a 2 tonne truck everytime a little bit of contact is there.

vlade was different. he'd just fall over at the sign of offensive contact.

[b0bab0i]

I lost so much respect for Webber last night. Guy is an idiot. Not only did he complain about the Clippers all night when he was supposed to be an unbiased party but he's been hating on them all year. This guy was a KING flopper on the Kings, the worst flopping team in NBA history (yup worse than Clippers). Yet he has the nerve to call our players out all game? :oldlol:.

He's just like every other bitch analyst who predicted the Grizzlies to dominate the series and can't figure out why they are down 1-3... so they blame flopping. It's sad really. No credit at all given to Clippers.
Shaq is the only one that believes we are going to win. But its because he's a Griffin homer.

[Clippersfan86]

Shaq is the only one that believes we are going to win. But its because he's a Griffin homer.

Yup. For once we have a big name person who's a homer FOR us, not against us. BTW the line that kills me most from Webber is...."I played against teams that flop"

DUDE.... YOU WERE ON THE ****ING WORST FLOPPING TEAM IN NBA HISTORY. Shaq even said he's never had to deal with floppers like the Kings. I mean seriously? BTW for those who say Youtube videos= who flops most... try to find flopping footage of the Queens. It's not easy... despite them flopping a ton. Yet you can find 50 Clippers flopping videos. It's because people are obsessed/mad.

[lbj23clutch]

Webber played with Vlade Divac. :coleman: He is disqualified from any discussion about flopping.

[The Macho Man]

Yup. For once we have a big name person who's a homer FOR us, not against us. BTW the line that kills me most from Webber is...."I played against teams that flop"

DUDE.... YOU WERE ON THE ****ING WORST FLOPPING TEAM IN NBA HISTORY. Shaq even said he's never had to deal with floppers like the Kings. I mean seriously? BTW for those who say Youtube videos= who flops most... try to find flopping footage of the Queens. It's not easy... despite them flopping a ton. Yet you can find 50 Clippers flopping videos. It's because people are obsessed/mad.

Webber acknowledged he was on a team renowned for flopping and that it hurt them.

[Teanett]

Webber played with Vlade Divac. :coleman: He is disqualified from any discussion about flopping.

he acknowledged divac as a flopper and he doesnt like it.

[Clippersfan86]

Webber acknowledged he was on a team renowned for flopping and that it hurt them.

I didn't hear that. I was just going by this clip (which I didn't hear that) and I was watching the Fox Sports Prime Ticket broadcast. Either way.... he is NOT the guy to call Blake Griffin out. People are seriously exaggerating on this flopping epidemic. Nobody is bitching right now about how much the Grizzlies have flopped. Especially Gasol/Conley/Mayo... yet as always the spotlight is on the Clippers.

[Teanett]

I didn't hear that. I was just going by this clip (which I didn't hear that) and I was watching the Fox Sports Prime Ticket broadcast. Either way.... he is NOT the guy to call Blake Griffin out. People are seriously exaggerating on this flopping epidemic. Nobody is bitching right now about how much the Grizzlies have flopped. Especially Gasol/Conley/Mayo... yet as always the spotlight is on the Clippers.

it's because blake flops like a girl.

[M.V.W.]

I didn't hear that. I was just going by this clip (which I didn't hear that) and I was watching the Fox Sports Prime Ticket broadcast. Either way.... he is NOT the guy to call Blake Griffin out. People are seriously exaggerating on this flopping epidemic. Nobody is bitching right now about how much the Grizzlies have flopped. Especially Gasol/Conley/Mayo... yet as always the spotlight is on the Clippers.

Why not if he is consistent in his criticism?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

he acknowledged divac as a flopper and he doesnt like it.

Never acknowledged such when he was his teammate. It was all gopd then. :oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

Why not if he is consistent in his criticism?

Did you watch Webber? I watched pretty much his entire career and he played like a bitch. Flopped, shot a bunch of jumpers. Sure he was a great player but I watched him get punked by Elton Brand in the paint while he flopped around. He was a better scoring Pau Gasol. So not a guy to give advice on big man toughness.

[Teanett]

Never acknowledged such when he was his teammate. It was all gopd then. :oldlol:

yeah but what should he do?:oldlol:
imagine kenyon martin and reggie evans calling blake and cp3 out on court: "stop flopping, b!tches!"
:oldlol:

[Teanett]

Did you watch Webber? I watched pretty much his entire career and he played like a bitch. Flopped, shot a bunch of jumpers. Sure he was a great player but I watched him get punked by Elton Brand in the paint while he flopped around. He was a better scoring Pau Gasol. So not a guy to give advice on big man toughness.

somebody is pulling a lot of shit out of his ass.

[Sarcastic]

Chris Webber didn't flop anywhere near as much as Griffin has just in his first 2 years.

[(e)]

Clippersfan needs to take his homer glasses off like usual. When Blake tried to take a charge late in the game and was nowhere close to being set or taking it in the chest, and just flopped back to try to get the call, is prime example of why he gets hate. What did he do when he didn't get the call? He got up and started pouting like a little baby. Dude is a btch and I can't wait until Tim Duncan and the Spurs work the fck out of his cry baby ass.

[Clippersfan86]

Chris Webber didn't flop anywhere near as much as Griffin has just in his first 2 years.

I didn't say he flopped as much because he didn't. He DID flop though. Christie flopped. Peja flopped. Webber flopped. Hell Bobby Jackson flopped. I mean really.... nothing to see here. As always people want to shift the focus of the NBA to the Clippers flopping :rolleyes: . If they ever win a title I'm 100 percent sure we will hear "They flop" as the main reason. Despite the fact that almost all of these flops go uncalled people act like they are having some massive impact.

For example Webber is calling out flops where Griffin does legitimately get hit in the face during a dunk???? How is that a flop? You don't know how hard the guy got smacked? Besides being dramatic doesn't mean he flopped. Obviously there was LEGIT contact.

[bsyde82]

Seriously, clippersfan86, you just sound butthurt right now man. He didn't seem biased to me...don't pretend like Blake's flopping is like the rest. It's an extremely pathetic form of it because it's so utterly blatant, and it's worse because Blake is a "superstar" in this league. People like Vlade flopped because they were physically inferior in terms of skill, so they needed to make up for it. Now, that doesn't excuse it, but at least there's an explanataion. Blake has no business flopping around like he does. It's not like CWEBB is the only person who hates Blake's flopping. It truly seems like most of the league hates him for it.

Marcus Spears of Yahoo tweeted something along the lines of "alot of nba players were rooting for Rudy to throw that one down on Blake". I wonder why.

CWEBB is one of the best color guys right now, IMO. It's too bad he can't also be in Shaq's spot in the TNT studio. He's 100x more intelligent than Shaq.

[ZenMaster]

I didn't hear that. I was just going by this clip (which I didn't hear that) and I was watching the Fox Sports Prime Ticket broadcast. Either way.... he is NOT the guy to call Blake Griffin out. People are seriously exaggerating on this flopping epidemic. Nobody is bitching right now about how much the Grizzlies have flopped. Especially Gasol/Conley/Mayo... yet as always the spotlight is on the Clippers.


You're so full of shit.

[Clippersfan86]

You're so full of shit.

:roll: You watching the series retard? I can easily get tons footage of the Grizzlies flopping this series if you want and expose all of you for this shit talk. I'm 100 percent sure that people will just shrug it off with crap like "well Clippers still flop more".

[bsyde82]

I didn't say he flopped as much because he didn't. He DID flop though. Christie flopped. Peja flopped. Webber flopped. Hell Bobby Jackson flopped. I mean really.... nothing to see here. As always people want to shift the focus of the NBA to the Clippers flopping :rolleyes: . If they ever win a title I'm 100 percent sure we will hear "They flop" as the main reason. Despite the fact that almost all of these flops go uncalled people act like they are having some massive impact.

For example Webber is calling out flops where Griffin does legitimately get hit in the face during a dunk???? How is that a flop? You don't know how hard the guy got smacked? Besides being dramatic doesn't mean he flopped. Obviously there was LEGIT contact.

I don't think any is seriously saying the flops determine outcomes of games. It's just really annoying to watch and it's pathetic for a player of blake and cp3's caliber to partake in it, and partake it in so regularly. Just because the Kings did it back then, doesn't excuse it now.

Webber called out Griffin when he clearly didn't receive the kind of contact that made his head snap back. Not sure if he received any contact at all, but clearly there was a delay prior to the head snapping back. It's classic Griffin flopping.

And you're trippin' if you think Griffin is anywhere near CWEBB's caliber right now.

[Clippersfan86]

I don't think any is seriously saying the flops determine outcomes of games. It's just really annoying to watch and it's pathetic for a player of blake and cp3's caliber to partake in it, and partake it in so regularly. Just because the Kings did it back then, doesn't excuse it now.

Webber called out Griffin when he clearly didn't receive the kind of contact that made his head snap back. Not sure if he received any contact at all, but clearly there was a delay prior to the head snapping back. It's classic Griffin flopping.

And you're trippin' if you think Griffin is anywhere near CWEBB's caliber right now.

:rolleyes: . I never compared Griffin to Chris Webber :facepalm . BTW Webber is wrong. Being dramatic doesn't= flopping. Most of Griffin's "flops" are his reactions to REAL fouls. So not sure why it's such an issue for people. How often do we see him dunk or score in paint... get mugged and not get a call? Just simply being more dramatic turns that into a call half the time.

[Clippersfan86]

I understand if people call Griffin a drama queen due to complaining to refs, exaggerating things etc..... but to act like he's the worst flopper... is something funny to me. I'm tempted with the help of other Clippers fans to make a Grizzlies flopping mix from this series and show the truth.

[ZenMaster]

:roll: You watching the series retard? I can easily get tons footage of the Grizzlies flopping this series if you want and expose all of you for this shit talk. I'm 100 percent sure that people will just shrug it off with crap like "well Clippers still flop more".


What makes you think your team is so special?

Your whole idea is that people hate on the Clippers because they are jealous or whatever because you dunk so much, it's ridiculous. From that you reason that the only thing people can come up with to hate on is their flopping.

People hate flopping, basketball isn't supposed to be about that. People where giving the Heat mad shit for what they pulled in last years playoffs. Just like people still are giving Divac shit about it to this day.

Clippers, with Paul and Griffin are frontrunners this year in flopping, and it's why everybody from fans, coaches, past- and present players are mentioning them specific.

Your team is not special, people don't hate on them for no reason. Everybody loved Griffin last year, and Paul has always been a popular player. But these gifs and videos are painful to watch.

Webber hit it right on the money, and he was basically offering advice. Players should stop this, but they wont, so the league should do something about it, all players and teams doing this are hurting the quality of basketball.

[SpecialQue]

I would like to see myself as an impartial party here. I've gone to a bunch of Clippers games and root for them when I go. My team is the Lakers, but I always want the Clipper to do well because they're the perennial underdog team. I am one of the only Laker fans who HATED the initial Laker trade for Chris Paul, and I'm glad we kept Pau and that the Clippers got CP3. I tuned into a ton of Clippers games last season and really liked Blake, and I didn't see any issue at all with him winning the dunk contest. The only time I rooted against the Clippers this season was when they played the Lakers and when 3rd seed was in jeopardy.

That said, the Clippers have become the most annoying flopping team this season, and Blake's attitude makes it extremely difficult for me to like this team at all. You can say other teams flop, and they do. My favorite player (Pau) flops. They aren't as obnoxious and in-your-face with it as the Clippers. It's the difference between having an occasional drink and being an alcoholic.

[bsyde82]

:wtf:
What makes you think your team is so special?

Your whole idea is that people hate on the Clippers because they are jealous or whatever because you dunk so much, it's ridiculous. From that you reason that the only thing people can come up with to hate on is their flopping.

People hate flopping, basketball isn't supposed to be about that. People where giving the Heat mad shit for what they pulled in last years playoffs. Just like people still are giving Divac shit about it to this day.

Clippers, with Paul and Griffin are frontrunners this year in flopping, and it's why everybody from fans, coaches, past- and present players are mentioning them specific.

Your team is not special, people don't hate on them for no reason. Everybody loved Griffin last year, and Paul has always been a popular player. But these gifs and videos are painful to watch.

Webber hit it right on the money, and he was basically offering advice. Players should stop this, but they wont, so the league should do something about it, all players and teams doing this are hurting the quality of basketball.

:applause:

[Clippersfan86]

What makes you think your team is so special?

Your whole idea is that people hate on the Clippers because they are jealous or whatever because you dunk so much, it's ridiculous. From that you reason that the only thing people can come up with to hate on is their flopping.

People hate flopping, basketball isn't supposed to be about that. People where giving the Heat mad shit for what they pulled in last years playoffs. Just like people still are giving Divac shit about it to this day.

Clippers, with Paul and Griffin are frontrunners this year in flopping, and it's why everybody from fans, coaches, past- and present players are mentioning them specific.

Your team is not special, people don't hate on them for no reason. Everybody loved Griffin last year, and Paul has always been a popular player. But these gifs and videos are painful to watch.

Webber hit it right on the money, and he was basically offering advice. Players should stop this, but they wont, so the league should do something about it, all players and teams doing this are hurting the quality of basketball.

Obviously the Clippers are special based on how retarded people have acted this year. For example... going into this series people said Grizzlies were gritty, don't flop etc. Well.... I've counted at least 30 flops this series from them and whenever we point them out in the game thread, nobody says a word. Yet the very next play if CP3 or Griffin flops.. you get a full page of whiners. Obviously the Clippers are in the spotlight.

[Teanett]

It's the difference between having an occasional drink and being an alcoholic.

blake goes on 3-night binge drinking everytime he feels contact.

[Clippersfan86]

I would like to see myself as an impartial party here. I've gone to a bunch of Clippers games and root for them when I go. My team is the Lakers, but I always want the Clipper to do well because they're the perennial underdog team. I am one of the only Laker fans who HATED the initial Laker trade for Chris Paul, and I'm glad we kept Pau and that the Clippers got CP3. I tuned into a ton of Clippers games last season and really liked Blake, and I didn't see any issue at all with him winning the dunk contest. The only time I rooted against the Clippers this season was when they played the Lakers and when 3rd seed was in jeopardy.

That said, the Clippers have become the most annoying flopping team this season, and Blake's attitude makes it extremely difficult for me to like this team at all. You can say other teams flop, and they do. My favorite player (Pau) flops. They aren't as obnoxious and in-your-face with it as the Clippers. It's the difference between having an occasional drink and being an alcoholic.

The Clippers being more dramatic about how they flop or obnoxious shouldn't matter. A flop is a flop. We've seen some gems from other teams recently and they get talked about for a day and it's over. Just because the Clippers add flair to their flops people have allowed it to turn into a hatred. Which is straight unhealthy and wrong.

The Heat flop a lot and I don't hate them with a passion like people do the Clippers. Grizzlies fans aren't even really the ones who have been complaining it's NBA fans that aren't fans of either team.

[SpecialQue]

The Clippers being more dramatic about how they flop or obnoxious shouldn't matter. A flop is a flop. We've seen some gems from other teams recently and they get talked about for a day and it's over. Just because the Clippers add flair to their flops people have allowed it to turn into a hatred. Which is straight unhealthy and wrong.

The Heat flop a lot and I don't hate them with a passion like people do the Clippers. Grizzlies fans aren't even really the ones who have been complaining it's NBA fans that aren't fans of either team.

From the few times I've dipped into the GT, the Grizzlies fans have seemed fairly respectful.

Anyhow, during last year's Lakers games against the Hornets, I despised CP3 because of his flops. Damn near threw something at the TV a few times. This Clippers team seems like a lab experiment designed specifically to get under your skin. Seriously, your team has CP3, Blake, Reggie, and Kenyon, for Christ's sake. If you're not a fan of this team, you have to understand why other people wouldn't like them. I completely get why people hate the Lakers.

One of the many reasons why I hate the Heat is because of Lebron and Wade's flops. They're great players...they don't need to do that shit. It's like an A student stealing a fellow classmate's notes.

Anyhow, on a positive note, I hope the Clippers bring it to the Spurs and take that shit to 7 games.

[ZenMaster]

You are in complete homer denial about this.

[Clippersfan86]

From the few times I've dipped into the GT, the Grizzlies fans have seemed fairly respectful.

Anyhow, during last year's Lakers games against the Hornets, I despised CP3 because of his flops. Damn near threw something at the TV a few times. This Clippers team seems like a lab experiment designed specifically to get under your skin. Seriously, your team has CP3, Blake, Reggie, and Kenyon, for Christ's sake. If you're not a fan of this team, you have to understand why other people wouldn't like them. I completely get why people hate the Lakers.

One of the many reasons why I hate the Heat is because of Lebron and Wade's flops. They're great players...they don't need to do that shit. It's like an A student stealing a fellow classmate's notes.

Anyhow, on a positive note, I hope the Clippers bring it to the Spurs and take that shit to 7 games.

Oh I'm okay with it. I agree our team is the worst offender in the NBA at getting under a teams skin. I guess I just wish at least a decent amount of people liked them. Mainly because... being bad so long and having this turnaround I always assumed teams would love that and respect the Clippers. Obviously I've never been a fan of a great team because I'm learning people often have the opposite reaction. Instead of admiring the good things the Clippers have done, people focus on the bad things they dislike.

That goes along with anything good though. People tear down success.

[D-Rose]

ClippersFan86, you're coming off as a bitter homer :oldlol: just quit it, literally everyone knows you're wrong.

[SpecialQue]

Oh I'm okay with it. I agree our team is the worst offender in the NBA at getting under a teams skin. I guess I just wish at least a decent amount of people liked them. Mainly because... being bad so long and having this turnaround I always assumed teams would love that and respect the Clippers. Obviously I've never been a fan of a great team because I'm learning people often have the opposite reaction. Instead of admiring the good things the Clippers have done, people focus on the bad things they dislike.

That goes along with anything good though. People tear down success.

Everyone went from praising the Mavs as underdogs and a great, feel-good story because of them beating the Heat, to laughing at them being swept and saying that their championship was a "fluke." There isn't anything rational about sports. Everyone has their own biases.

Anyhow, I want the Clippers to do well for the sake of their fanbase, not necessarily for some of the players on that team.

[Clippersfan86]

Everyone went from praising the Mavs as underdogs and a great, feel-good story because of them beating the Heat, to laughing at them being swept and saying that their championship was a "fluke." There isn't anything rational about sports. Everyone has their own biases.

Anyhow, I want the Clippers to do well for the sake of their fanbase, not necessarily for some of the players on that team.

Fair enough. I can respect that opinion :applause: .

[GOBB]

What makes you think your team is so special?

Your whole idea is that people hate on the Clippers because they are jealous or whatever because you dunk so much, it's ridiculous. From that you reason that the only thing people can come up with to hate on is their flopping.

People hate flopping, basketball isn't supposed to be about that. People where giving the Heat mad shit for what they pulled in last years playoffs. Just like people still are giving Divac shit about it to this day.

Clippers, with Paul and Griffin are frontrunners this year in flopping, and it's why everybody from fans, coaches, past- and present players are mentioning them specific.

Your team is not special, people don't hate on them for no reason. Everybody loved Griffin last year, and Paul has always been a popular player. But these gifs and videos are painful to watch.

Webber hit it right on the money, and he was basically offering advice. Players should stop this, but they wont, so the league should do something about it, all players and teams doing this are hurting the quality of basketball.

Clippersfan86 owned :applause:

[DCL]

blake is built like a megaman, probably stronger than most defenders guarding him. don't know what's his thought process in flopping. where's his pride??

sh!t, when i get hit hard in a game, i act the opposite like i ain't even hurt even if i am.

[GOBB]

ClippersFan86, you're coming off as a bitter homer :oldlol: just quit it, literally everyone knows you're wrong.

Couple months ago he argued nonstop in a thread saying Blake doesnt flop, the contact is legitimate. He later recanted everything he said. So expect him to take off the silly rose colored glasses and admit he is wrong.

[Clippersfan86]

Couple months ago he argued nonstop in a thread saying Blake doesnt flop, the contact is legitimate. He later recanted everything he said. So expect him to take off the silly rose colored glasses and admit he is wrong.

GOBB you're an incredibly bitter human being. Sad for a guy in his mid 30's. You'd think these life lessons on bitterness would have been learned by now.

[ihoopallday]

GOBB you're an incredibly bitter human being. Sad for a guy in his mid 30's. You'd think these life lessons on bitterness would have been learned by now.

http://www.troll.me/images/first-world-problems-vi/the-truth-hurts-so-i-cry-thumb.jpg

[Fiasco]

league needs better refs

[Clippersfan86]

http://www.troll.me/images/first-world-problems-vi/the-truth-hurts-so-i-cry-thumb.jpg

Now you resort to posting on other accounts? Comon GOBBY you're better than this :oldlol:.

[ihoopallday]

Now you resort to posting on other accounts? Comon GOBBY you're better than this :oldlol:.

Lol nah this isn't that guy. I was just messing with ya bro. Anyways, I think this is the first time I've been in this situation. How exactly do you prove your not a alternate account on this website?

[SpecialQue]

Now you resort to posting on other accounts? Comon GOBBY you're better than this :oldlol:.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/images/made/images/35/09/cult_redington_615_320_s_c1.jpg

[GOBB]

Lol nah this isn't that guy. I was just messing with ya bro. Anyways, I think this is the first time I've been in this situation. How exactly do you prove your not a alternate account on this website?

Me and you can quote and reply to each other so he'll look extremely SILLY accusing me of having an alternate account. I have over 50,000 posts. Why would I post on different accounts when its painfully obvious I enjoy posting on this one? That kid is flopping with his replies. :roll:

[Clippersfan86]

Me and you can quote and reply to each other so he'll look extremely SILLY accusing me of having an alternate account. I have over 50,000 posts. Why would I post on different accounts when its painfully obvious I enjoy posting on this one? That kid is flopping with his replies. :roll:

So tell me in front of the rest of the board how you've become so bitter? I've tried to bury the hatchet at least 5 times with you... but now it's been at least 6 months of you being a limpdick and insulting every post I make out of the blue, followed by disappearing afterwards.

You're in your mid 30's... no reason to act like that towards other posters.

[SpecialQue]

I thought we were talking about Webber?

I love when he reads promos. I don't know why. I just find it delightful.

[Phong]

:roll: You watching the series retard? I can easily get tons footage of the Grizzlies flopping this series if you want and expose all of you for this shit talk. I'm 100 percent sure that people will just shrug it off with crap like "well Clippers still flop more".Why don't you do it then?

You've been defending the Clippers for months now and accused every other NBA teams of flopping more than the Clippers and have yet to provide a single evidence.

Do it once and for all.

[GOBB]

So tell me in front of the rest of the board how you've become so bitter? I've tried to bury the hatchet at least 5 times with you... but now it's been at least 6 months of you being a limpdick and insulting every post I make out of the blue, followed by disappearing afterwards.

You're in your mid 30's... no reason to act like that towards other posters.

Wait so I can log into ihoopallday username and respond.

[ihoopallday]

Wait so I can log into ihoopallday username and respond.

Lol that's how it sounds like :lol

[BTrujillo]

I would like to see myself as an impartial party here. I've gone to a bunch of Clippers games and root for them when I go. My team is the Lakers, but I always want the Clipper to do well because they're the perennial underdog team. I am one of the only Laker fans who HATED the initial Laker trade for Chris Paul, and I'm glad we kept Pau and that the Clippers got CP3. I tuned into a ton of Clippers games last season and really liked Blake, and I didn't see any issue at all with him winning the dunk contest. The only time I rooted against the Clippers this season was when they played the Lakers and when 3rd seed was in jeopardy.

That said, the Clippers have become the most annoying flopping team this season, and Blake's attitude makes it extremely difficult for me to like this team at all. You can say other teams flop, and they do. My favorite player (Pau) flops. They aren't as obnoxious and in-your-face with it as the Clippers. It's the difference between having an occasional drink and being an alcoholic.

THIS :applause:

While always a Lakers fan first, I would root for the Clippers and would never watch a Laker vs. Clipper game because no matter what one of my teams would lose. Last year I was a HUGE Griffin fan and was excited that the Clippers had him... but this year that has completely changed... it is so incredibly frustrating and annoying to watch him out there.

He went from being one of my favorite players to watch to one I have no respect for.

[33teeth]

Did you watch Webber? I watched pretty much his entire career and he played like a bitch. Flopped, shot a bunch of jumpers. Sure he was a great player but I watched him get punked by Elton Brand in the paint while he flopped around. He was a better scoring Pau Gasol. So not a guy to give advice on big man toughness.

I don't buy that you watched "pretty much his whole career." Based on the way you post, I'm guessing you were kid (or still are) and don't remember the 90's as in the clear detail you think you do. Or you're delusional. Or a liar.

Webber was not a flopper, especially in comparison to Griffin.

:biggums: :biggums:

[Clippersfan86]

I don't buy that you watched "pretty much his whole career." Based on the way you post, I'm guessing you were kid (or still are) and don't remember the 90's as in the clear detail you think you do. Or you're delusional. Or a liar.

Webber was not a flopper, especially in comparison to Griffin.

:biggums: :biggums:

I never said he flopped as much as Griffin :facepalm . The fact that he himself did flop here and there... played a finesse bigman game and played with legendary flopping teammates like Vlade though disqualifies him from criticizing Blake's flopping/soft play.

[SpecialQue]

I never said he flopped as much as Griffin :facepalm . The fact that he himself did flop here and there... played a finesse bigman game and played with legendary flopping teammates like Vlade though disqualifies him from criticizing Blake's flopping/soft play.

He has brought up Vlade's flopping on multiple occasions, but they were teammates and he's not going to bash the guy. Plus Vlade doesn't play anymore.

[Sarcastic]

I never said he flopped as much as Griffin :facepalm . The fact that he himself did flop here and there... played a finesse bigman game and played with legendary flopping teammates like Vlade though disqualifies him from criticizing Blake's flopping/soft play.

He said Vlade's flopping hurt the team. Did you listen to the video?

[33teeth]

He has brought up Vlade's flopping on multiple occasions, but they were teammates and he's not going to bash the guy. Plus Vlade doesn't play anymore.

And Vlade's image wasn't as a tough, physical athletic player - like Griffins is. Or, was.

Vlade had little hope defending players like Shaq and so he flopped and nobody liked it but at least people admit it happened.

Griffin is supposed to be this young super athlete who dunks over cars but then when a puff of wind comes off another players hand he acts injured. Any small contact and he flies through the air like he's been hit by a train. :lebroncry:

[Clippersfan86]

He has brought up Vlade's flopping on multiple occasions, but they were teammates and he's not going to bash the guy. Plus Vlade doesn't play anymore.

I understand that. Just seems odd that he of all people is calling Griffin out for it. Regardless.... it was stupid. When Conley/Gasol/Mayo/Gay have flopped this series (which has been pretty frequent between all of them) nobody says a word. Not the TNT crew.. not posters on ISH. Griffin gets hit in the face hard on a dunk and snaps his head back... and it's a big deal.

[Nowitzness81]

Everyone's talking about Chris Paul's flopping these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lRm0pF3mHo&feature=youtu.be

[Clippersfan86]

And Vlade's image wasn't as a tough, physical athletic player - like Griffins is. Or, was.

Vlade had little hope defending players like Shaq and so he flopped and nobody liked it but at least people admit it happened.

Griffin is supposed to be this young super athlete who dunks over cars but then when a puff of wind comes off another players hand he acts injured. Any small contact and he flies through the air like he's been hit by a train. :lebroncry:

He's obviously tough considering he's manhandled the Memphis bigs not only roughing them up but schooling them. In their little pushing matches it's actually been Randolph ending up on the floor crying to refs, not Griffin. He doesn't have shit to prove. First time of his career in the playoffs and many more years to refine his game.

[DCL]

blake's athleticism, muscularity, and size has no business in playing like vlade.

vlade was a cun.t, but you kinda let that go cuz you knew that's all he could give you.

you look at blake and expect more from that sh!t. nobody expects him to act like a cun.t when he gets touched but he's doing it. he's behaving like that f@ggot at the ymca calling all those weak ass fouls from a girl. there's just no respect for that. man up and own some pride.

[Clippersfan86]

blake's athleticism, muscularity, and size has no business in playing like vlade.

vlade was a cun.t, but you kinda let that go cuz you knew that's all he could give you.

you look at blake and expect more from that sh!t. nobody expects him to act like a cun.t when he gets touched but he's doing it. he's behaving like that f@ggot at the ymca calling all those weak ass fouls from a girl. there's just no respect for that. man up and own some pride.

I'd obviously rather NOBODY in the NBA flop. IF the refs are making right calls. In the Clippers case... I don't feel like they are doing it to take advantage. I think they are doing it because refs don't like the Clippers and it keeps the reffing a bit more fair. If they were a team like the Heat or Thunder who got babied... I doubt they would need to flop. Chris Paul has always been a flopper but Griffin wasn't a flopper last year.

[Apogee]

I'd obviously rather NOBODY in the NBA flop. IF the refs are making right calls. In the Clippers case... I don't feel like they are doing it to take advantage. I think they are doing it because refs don't like the Clippers and it keeps the reffing a bit more fair. If they were a team like the Heat or Thunder who got babied... I doubt they would need to flop. Chris Paul has always been a flopper but Griffin wasn't a flopper last year.


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[unbreakable]

LOL Clippersfan acting like saw the Kings play...they were nowhere near the floppers that these clips are.. in fact nobody was..

this is the greatest flopping team in the history of the league and its not close.:oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

LOL Clippersfan acting like saw the Kings play...they were nowhere near the floppers that these clips are.. in fact nobody was..

this is the greatest flopping team in the history of the league and its not close.:oldlol:

I watched them a ton. I actually respected their team a lot. Loved the off the court chemistry. The current Clippers remind me of them... in the sense that on non game days they are always going out to dinner together... going to ball games... cooking BBQ's etc.

[Copperhead]

I didn't hear it but I heard Stephen A was clowning Webber because Webber has the nerve to talk and he played with some of the biggest floppers in the league. Namely Vlade. And Webber did his share of flopping too. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

I didn't hear it but I heard Stephen A was clowning Webber because Webber has the nerve to talk and he played with some of the biggest floppers in the league. Namely Vlade. And Webber did his share of flopping too. :oldlol:

Webber spoke on Vlade and admitted/acknowledged he played with floppers. I dont see SAS nor your point. :confusedshrug:

So now Webber cant even criticize flopping because he played on a team with a famous flopper? The logic is dumb. Its not like Webber bashed Griffin then acted like Vlade didnt do the same thing. SAS needs to shut up.

[Copperhead]

Webber spoke on Vlade and admitted/acknowledged he played with floppers. I dont see SAS nor your point. :confusedshrug:

So now Webber cant even criticize flopping because he played on a team with a famous flopper? The logic is dumb. Its not like Webber bashed Griffin then acted like Vlade didnt do the same thing. SAS needs to shut up.

The point is, is that I'm pretty sure when his teammate was doing it he surely didn't rush to tell him he didn't like it or that he should stop doing it. That's MY point. I don't know what Stephen A's point was but that's MINE.

[Clippersfan86]

The point is, is that I'm pretty sure when his teammate was doing it he surely didn't rush to tell him he didn't like it or that he should stop doing it. That's MY point. I don't know what Stephen A's point was but that's MINE.

:applause: . Logic. ISH could use more of it.

[Copperhead]

ISH needs to sticky one big flopping thread because all this whining and 1000 threads about flopping is just as sickening as the actual flopping. "Mommy, mommy, look, he flopped!" :oldlol: Everybody thinks their flopping thread is an original one and they think they're telling us something new.

[Clippersfan86]

ISH needs to sticky one big flopping thread because all this whining and 1000 threads about flopping is just as sickening as the actual flopping. "Mommy, mommy, look, he flopped!" :oldlol: Everybody thinks their flopping thread is an original one and they think they're telling us something new.

Every Clippers win= 4-5 flopping threads on first page alone. I already asked mods to merge them into an official Clipper flop thread but they don't care to do their job. Funny thing is they have no problem deleting threads they don't agree with though.

[GOBB]

The point is, is that I'm pretty sure when his teammate was doing it he surely didn't rush to tell him he didn't like it or that he should stop doing it. That's MY point. I don't know what Stephen A's point was but that's MINE.

How do you know what was said? You're speculating, assuming. What is said amongst teammates in the lockeroom generally stays there. So sorry you cant find a youtube video of Webber blasting Vlade in the media to counter your POINT. :rolleyes:

[Teanett]

The point is, is that I'm pretty sure when his teammate was doing it he surely didn't rush to tell him he didn't like it or that he should stop doing it. That's MY point. I don't know what Stephen A's point was but that's MINE.

who told you he didnt?

[GOBB]

ISH needs to sticky one big flopping thread because all this whining and 1000 threads about flopping is just as sickening as the actual flopping. "Mommy, mommy, look, he flopped!" :oldlol: Everybody thinks their flopping thread is an original one and they think they're telling us something new.

This thread is about a former player, respected analyst highlighting a blatant flop by Griffin where the contact wasnt nearly as bad as Blake SOLD it to be. His message to Blake? You might want to cut back on flopping because your peers will start to lose respect for you. If players were asked about Blake Griffin antics, they would support what Webber said. Simple thread. :confusedshrug:

[Clippersfan86]

Did you clowns even watch the Kings GOBB? That was a tight knit group... I highly doubt even off camera Webber was telling Vlade crap about his flopping. Stop the idiotic posting.

[CavaliersFTW]

Lol nah this isn't that guy. I was just messing with ya bro. Anyways, I think this is the first time I've been in this situation. How exactly do you prove your not a alternate account on this website?

Tell all members who attempt to agree with you to STFU and mind their own f*cking business... The only escape is to make everyone is your enemy at all times...

[Clippersfan86]

This thread is about a former player, respected analyst highlighting a blatant flop by Griffin where the contact wasnt nearly as bad as Blake SOLD it to be. His message to Blake? You might want to cut back on flopping because your peers will start to lose respect for you. If players were asked about Blake Griffin antics, they would support what Webber said. Simple thread. :confusedshrug:

Players have already complained about it in the media. They have already lost respect for him obviously. Why gives a shit? Nobody needs to like or respect him. You think players respected young Jordan as a person? HELL NO. They fu**ing hated his guts. Happens to all the great players. Griffin will earn respect by winning rings and having a dominant career.

Nobody gives a **** about other players/teams feelings :oldlol: . BTW LOL at calling Webber a "respected analyst". A respected analyst doesn't talk with such a clear bias in a series. Webber, Barkley and Smith have all been taking shots at the Clippers since before series even started. I've learned it's impossible for an ex star player to be an unbiased broadcaster or analyst. The best ones are ones that were scrubs/role players.

[ILLsmak]

I didn't say he flopped as much because he didn't. He DID flop though. Christie flopped. Peja flopped. Webber flopped. Hell Bobby Jackson flopped. I mean really.... nothing to see here. As always people want to shift the focus of the NBA to the Clippers flopping :rolleyes: . If they ever win a title I'm 100 percent sure we will hear "They flop" as the main reason. Despite the fact that almost all of these flops go uncalled people act like they are having some massive impact.

For example Webber is calling out flops where Griffin does legitimately get hit in the face during a dunk???? How is that a flop? You don't know how hard the guy got smacked? Besides being dramatic doesn't mean he flopped. Obviously there was LEGIT contact.

lol, I think all of the Clippers fans need to sign a petition like STOP FLOPPING BLAKE U DONT NEED TO DO IT.

-Smak

[Clippersfan86]

lol, I think all of the Clippers fans need to sign a petition like STOP FLOPPING BLAKE U DONT NEED TO DO IT.

-Smak

As I said. If teams start calling And 1's and stop letting teams rough him up... I'll be the first to sign it. Last year he didn't flop hardly at all and got mugged like a MOTHER ****ER. The flopping has made refs pay more attention to him... so I'd say it's done the job.

[Copperhead]

who told you he didnt?

Who told you he DID?

You'd have to be crazy to think he told his teammate to stop doing what it took to draw fouls and get to the free throw line.

[Clippersfan86]

Who told you he DID?

You'd have to be crazy to think he told his teammate to stop doing what it took to draw fouls and get to the free throw line.

:oldlol: . ISH posters don't rely on logic. Remember?

[ihoopallday]

The real question here is: who DOESN'T FLOP? It's becoming part of the NBA. We might as well get used to it.

[Clippersfan86]

The real question here is: who DOESN'T FLOP? It's becoming part of the NBA. We might as well get used to it.

Nobody flops in the NBA besides the Clippers.

[unbreakable]

Nobody flops in the NBA more than the Clippers.

fixed

[apesta]

I don't believe Webber was as crazy of a flopper Blake is. Blake like a lot of people have said that he is such a strong and atheletic player whom he can just take the contact and go up strong without needing to flop to get the refs' attention. I also think that lots of people disrespects him is cause he always whines to the refs after he flops or give his death stare to players acting like they flagrant fouled him. I've always dislike him for that.

[wang4three]

I lost so much respect for Webber last night. Guy is an idiot. Not only did he complain about the Clippers all night when he was supposed to be an unbiased party but he's been hating on them all year. This guy was a KING flopper on the Kings, the worst flopping team in NBA history (yup worse than Clippers). Yet he has the nerve to call our players out all game? :oldlol:.

He's just like every other bitch analyst who predicted the Grizzlies to dominate the series and can't figure out why they are down 1-3... so they blame flopping. It's sad really. No credit at all given to Clippers.

Who better to understand the perils of flopping and being on a flopping team than a person who had no big success being on a team of floppers? You don't think he knows what happened being on a team with Peja, Christie, and Vlade? He's doling out some real and genuine advice. There was no malice or contempt in his voice or opinion, just authentic and true advice. If you couldn't see or hear that, it's really unfortunate.

[Grey Dawn]

I lost so much respect for Webber last night. Guy is an idiot. Not only did he complain about the Clippers all night when he was supposed to be an unbiased party but he's been hating on them all year. This guy was a KING flopper on the Kings, the worst flopping team in NBA history (yup worse than Clippers). Yet he has the nerve to call our players out all game? :oldlol:.

He's just like every other bitch analyst who predicted the Grizzlies to dominate the series and can't figure out why they are down 1-3... so they blame flopping. It's sad really. No credit at all given to Clippers.

No, you are the idiot.

[OKCThunderUP]

I don't believe Webber was as crazy of a flopper Blake is. Blake like a lot of people have said that he is such a strong and atheletic player whom he can just take the contact and go up strong without needing to flop to get the refs' attention. I also think that lots of people disrespects him is cause he always whines to the refs after he flops or give his death stare to players acting like they flagrant fouled him. I've always dislike him for that.

Nobody ruins a fantastic dunk like Blake Griffin.

[bsyde82]

clippersfan, someone challenged you to post video evidence of all the memphis flopping you're talking about. I don't remember anything remotely close to Blake/CP3 level flopping.

Let's see the evidence. The whole world knows about Blake/CP3 because, well, we all saw it with our own eyes. Please show us the Grizz flopping.

[Grey Dawn]

The real question here is: who DOESN'T FLOP? It's becoming part of the NBA. We might as well get used to it.

There's flopping on taking a charge/block, and then there is what Griffin does, flailing around, grabbing parts of his body of face that didn't even get touched, pausing a second on light contact then throwing his head back and body to the ground writhing around when is supposed to be/should be a strong, tough player, and he acts like the biggest faking phony little bitch.

He is on his whole own level of performance/faking contact and injury that goes way beyond the regular block/charge flop.

He is the league's strongest player...and yet its biggest pansy.

[Clippersfan86]

Who better to understand the perils of flopping and being on a flopping team than a person who had no big success being on a team of floppers? You don't think he knows what happened being on a team with Peja, Christie, and Vlade? He's doling out some real and genuine advice. There was no malice or contempt in his voice or opinion, just authentic and true advice. If you couldn't see or hear that, it's really unfortunate.

I will admit he wasn't being malicious. I guess it's just annoying to me because how much attention is on flops and not on the wins or good things the team is doing. Webber doing this doesn't realize he adds fuel to an already big, unnecessary fire. I mean hell... you had Lionel Hollins bitching about flopping. It's extremely unprofessional for coaches to act like this.

[CavaliersFTW]

The real question here is: who DOESN'T FLOP? It's becoming part of the NBA. We might as well get used to it.

:applause:

Great post, this is far and away the best way to deal with a gradually escalating problem. For example:

*Crime increasing in your neighborhood?... might as well get used to it
*Credit card debt spiraling out of control?... might as well get used to it
*Started dating a crazy psychotic b*tch?... might as well get used to it
*Got a new pet shredding everything in your house?... might as well get used to it
*Car starting to break down?... might as well get used to it

*Blakes flopping pissing every fan of the NBA off?... might as well get used to

No need to get all bent out of shape. Getting used to it is by far the best approach































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[NumberSix]

Blake Griffin is a pu$$y

[ashlar]

Please tell me this is a sad troll attempt clippersfan86. I want to believe.

[caliman]

Nobody flops in the NBA besides the Clippers.


Stop with the BS. The league is filled with floppers and they are called out. Everyone knows Fisher is a flopper, but he is also a scrub at this point in his career and it is tolerated. When supposed superstars flop it just cheapens the game imo. Wade and James get called out for flopping, and rightfully so. Paul and Griffin are going to be called out as well. They way those to take dives with little to no contact is absurd.

[DuMa]

it annoys me but for some reason it doesnt bother me that much. its never quite blatant with Paul and Blake. it doesnt change the outcome of the game i have seen. also I wouldnt call it flopping. I would call it in the area of 'always consistently aware of where the contact is going to come' :lol

[Bourne]

I will admit he wasn't being malicious. I guess it's just annoying to me because how much attention is on flops and not on the wins or good things the team is doing. Webber doing this doesn't realize he adds fuel to an already big, unnecessary fire. I mean hell... you had Lionel Hollins bitching about flopping. It's extremely unprofessional for coaches to act like this.

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16,000 of dude's posts is being gay about blake

[Clippersfan86]

it annoys me but for some reason it doesnt bother me that much. its never quite blatant with Paul and Blake. it doesnt change the outcome of the game i have seen. also I wouldnt call it flopping. I would call it in the area of 'always consistently aware of where the contact is going to come' :lol

TRUTH :applause: :applause: .

[highwhey]

Blake got owned. Webber is spot on. No one respects that crap.
yep. when cwebb mentioned it on air, i clapped.

[gasolina]

He's obviously tough considering he's manhandled the Memphis bigs not only roughing them up but schooling them. In their little pushing matches it's actually been Randolph ending up on the floor crying to refs, not Griffin. He doesn't have shit to prove. First time of his career in the playoffs and many more years to refine his game.

For example Webber is calling out flops where Griffin does legitimately get hit in the face during a dunk???? How is that a flop? You don't know how hard the guy got smacked? Besides being dramatic doesn't mean he flopped. Obviously there was LEGIT contact.
Move over Swayze! There's a new king of action and drama!

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[schism206]

Oh I'm okay with it. I agree our team is the worst offender in the NBA at getting under a teams skin. I guess I just wish at least a decent amount of people liked them. Mainly because... being bad so long and having this turnaround I always assumed teams would love that and respect the Clippers. Obviously I've never been a fan of a great team because I'm learning people often have the opposite reaction. Instead of admiring the good things the Clippers have done, people focus on the bad things they dislike.

That goes along with anything good though. People tear down success.

I give props to the Clippers for their accomplishments, I like CP3 and think he's a great competitor, and would be happy to see them play the Spurs. As for flopping, I think Webber's comments were merited and spot on, despite being part of flopper teams, because he was just giving advice about it, he wasn't being a hater (I don't think at least). Having said that, I think Lebron has had worse flops this playoffs, especially in game 1 vs the knicks. Maybe Webber should call him out :lol

[Clippersfan86]

I give props to the Clippers for their accomplishments, I like CP3 and think he's a great competitor, and would be happy to see them play the Spurs. As for flopping, I think Webber's comments were merited and spot on, despite being part of flopper teams, because he was just giving advice about it, he wasn't being a hater (I don't think at least). Having said that, I think Lebron has had worse flops this playoffs, especially in game 1 vs the knicks. Maybe Webber should call him out :lol

Respect. This is the kind of fair, logical and respectful posting that used to exist on ISH long ago.

[BlueCrayon]

Why are Clippers fans acting like Blake always get abused by other players and never get calls? Do the refs have a conspiracy against him?

[97 bulls]

Vlade Divac was a huge flopper. I remember when he was a laker, and they played against the suns in the playoffs in i believe 93. Divac was on the floor and Charles Barkley stepped over him and divac acted as if barkley kicked him. Barkley never touched him

[bdreason]

It's funny to me when people try and pull the 'respect' card. You play - to win - the game (that's not mine).


I'm sure Griffin loses countless nights of sleep over it. :oldlol:

[SevereUpInHere]

:roll: You watching the series retard? I can easily get tons footage of the Grizzlies flopping this series if you want and expose all of you for this shit talk. I'm 100 percent sure that people will just shrug it off with crap like "well Clippers still flop more".

http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/do+_47295b4fa7c180296cf7153c5d4b32be.jpg

[Al Thornton]

Why are Clippers fans acting like Blake always get abused by other players and never get calls? Do the refs have a conspiracy against him?

he does get calls when he exaggerates it. when he doesn't then he doesn't get calls because refs don't see it.

[TeamLAC]

Blake Griffin has already lost all respect from all the flopping.
Why would Blake care if you respect him or not? :confusedshrug:

[Kujo]

Webber played with the all-time flopper Vlade Divac. I didn't hear him complaining about flopping then. :lol

Regardless, he's absolutely right. Flopping has gotten out of control. Ref's need to completely disregard it. It needs to be a point of emphasis for the head of officials, and the NBA in the off-season.

[GOBB]

Mike Conley is an elite defensive PG
Webber isnt a respected analyst.

- crap that ghost hunting idiot Clipperfan86 would say.

This is why many heredont like you. You're an annoying poster. You are too emotionally attatched to a sports franchise that you cant see things for what they are. And it takes you weeks before it registers. Watch you acknowledge what Webber said wasnt that bad and all of a sudden respect his opinion on the game. Oh you already started too after wangs post.

You're a clown.


Who better to understand the perils of flopping and being on a flopping team than a person who had no big success being on a team of floppers? You don't think he knows what happened being on a team with Peja, Christie, and Vlade? He's doling out some real and genuine advice. There was no malice or contempt in his voice or opinion, just authentic and true advice. If you couldn't see or hear that, it's really unfortunate.

Exactly Clippersfan86 just an emotional idiot.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Wang4three hit it right on the head. I'm pretty sure if there is ONE person who knows about flopping, its Webber considering the players he's played with. The difference then was that those were his teammates, and now, he's an unbiased commentator and just keeping it like it is.