Rothschild and Rockefeller familes- Richest in the world

[Celtics4ever]

These guys run the banking system in every country besides Cuba, North Korea and Iran. After the "war against terrorism" they started a banking system in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. They are the ones that lend out money to all these countries.

Why does this family like to stay low-key? People think Bill Gates etc. are the richest in the world, but the truth is he's homeless compared to these families.

[Doctor K]

These guys run the banking system in every country besides Cuba, North Korea and Iran. After the "war against terrorism" they started a banking system in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. They are the ones that lend out money to all these countries.

Why does this family like to stay low-key? People think Bill Gates etc. are the richest in the world, but the truth is he's homeless compared to these families.

:biggums:
For real?

[1987_Lakers]

These guys run the banking system in every country besides Cuba, North Korea and Iran. After the "war against terrorism" they started a banking system in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. They are the ones that lend out money to all these countries.

Why does this family like to stay low-key? People think Bill Gates etc. are the richest in the world, but the truth is he's homeless compared to these families.

Funny how the U.S. tried to start war with all of these countries.

[Celtics4ever]

Funny how the U.S. tried to start war with all of these countries.

Yup, and it's also funny how these countries are portrayed as "evil"

Also makes you wonder why we really went to Iraq and Afghanistan. And who really started the riots in Libya.

[Celtics4ever]

:biggums:
For real?

Dude these guys are the ones that print the currency for almost every nation. They lend out money to the government by charging them interest. That's why we pay federal tax, to give them back the money the government owes them.

[Celtics4ever]

A friend of mine is really tight with a Rockefeller. They met at college and the Rockefeller changed her last name so people wouldn't bother her about her family, and only divulged the truth after they were friends for two years.

Must be rough being filthy rich.

I read an article where they said that the rockefellers/rothschild family don't allow women into their money business because they think women are too emotional to handle it. They keep all the information private.

[1987_Lakers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc

[BEAST Griffin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

[Celtics4ever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc

Most if not all of the presidents of the United States have been puppets of the Rothschild families ever since the Federal Reserve was made.

[Doctor K]

Dude these guys are the ones that print the currency for almost every nation. They lend out money to the government by charging them interest. That's why we pay federal tax, to give them back the money the government owes them.
Any link or video to educate on them?


is this some conspiracy theory sh*t?

[Celtics4ever]

Any link or video to educate on them?


is this some conspiracy theory sh*t?

It's not a conspiracy theory. Have you not heard of federal banks? Every nation has them besides Cuba, North Korea and Iran. These federal banks are the ones that print money for the government and they charge the government interest for every time they lend them money. That's why we pay federal tax, to help the government pay off that interest. Why do you think the U.S. is in debt now? We owe money to the federal reserve. Who owns these federal banks? It's the Rothschild and Rockefeller families.

[Celtics4ever]

It's always weird to me that freemasons get thrown into these evil conspiracy theories. If people actually knew anything about what freemasonry was about, they'd see how silly the things that people associate the group with are.
And no, the rothschilds do not own the federal reserve. Yes, this is some conspiracy theory bullshit.

Are you stupid? Who owns them then? The federal reserve is privately owned.

And the free masonry crap is all conspiracy theory stuff, I dont believe in that.

[Celtics4ever]

Any link or video to educate on them?


is this some conspiracy theory sh*t?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZM58dulPE

[Celtics4ever]

It's always weird to me that freemasons get thrown into these evil conspiracy theories. If people actually knew anything about what freemasonry was about, they'd see how silly the things that people associate the group with are.
And no, the rothschilds do not own the federal reserve. Yes, this is some conspiracy theory bullshit.

Don't be a typical American

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLCHWhmyn8w

[miller-time]

Are you stupid? Who owns them then? The federal reserve is privately owned.

And the free masonry crap is all conspiracy theory stuff, I dont believe in that.

i'm not saying you are wrong, but privately owned does not equal owned by the rothchilds.

personally i don't care who owns what. no matter what system we live under there will always be people who benefit greatly and people who are marginalized. however we are gradually moving forward. the 99% who occupied wall street still have better lives than 99% of the people who have lived throughout history. conspiracies and placing blame really just boils down to making people think they have some control.

[Celtics4ever]

The federal reserve has shares are owned by a lot of banks, but they don't exert any control. They just gain dividends from it. As I understand it, the President apoints the board of governors of the bank.

Yes, banks hold private shares of the federal reserve, but who controls the daily operations? and who started it? The federal reserve was started by the rotschild family in Great Britain and they have expanded it ever since to almost every nation.

[Celtics4ever]

I'm pretty sure the board of governors do.

I doubt board of governors is really elected by the president. Then why has two different presidents from different parties have decided to keep the same board members on the federal reserve. And why can't the public or even the senate vote on the members? Their daily operations don't need to be a secret. They don't even let anyone audit their daily operations.

[bdreason]

The Federal Reserve is owned by a few wealthy British families. And yes, one of them is the Rothschild family.

Our nation, and every citizen in our nation will forever be in debt to them, and under their control. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's fact.

[bdreason]

They also have a firm grasp on our political system, and have since the early 1900's. I remember a few years back our Federal Government made an audit request to the Federal Reserve, and they literally laughed in our face.

[Celtics4ever]

The senate or House of representatives (don't remember which) has to approve the presidents choice.

No, that's not true. The house doesn't approve it. The President "Picks" the members out of thin air to control the nations money supply. Surprised you believe that.

[Celtics4ever]

They also have a firm grasp on our political system, and have since the early 1900's. I remember a few years back our Federal Government made an audit request to the Federal Reserve, and they literally laughed in our face.

Yeah, it's funny how they won't let anyone audit them. Our tax money goes to them, we should have the right to ask for an audit.

[JohnnyWall]

It's always weird to me that freemasons get thrown into these evil conspiracy theories. If people actually knew anything about what freemasonry was about, they'd see how silly the things that people associate the group with are.
And no, the rothschilds do not own the federal reserve. Yes, this is some conspiracy theory bullshit.

I, for one, love these anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

[Celtics4ever]

I, for one, love these anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

Free masonry crap is all conspiracy theories, but the federal reserve and the rothschild family is all facts. This is why the average American is clueless and dumb.

[Nanners]

I, for one, love these anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

you might want to look up the definition of anti-semetic again champ

[KevinNYC]

I doubt board of governors is really elected by the president. Then why has two different presidents from different parties have decided to keep the same board members on the federal reserve. And why can't the public or even the senate vote on the members? Their daily operations don't need to be a secret. They don't even let anyone audit their daily operations.


DUDE, you're on the internet. You can look this shit up. Or do you only go online to become more uninformed.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/federal-reserve-bank-ownership/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

The Senate does vote on the Board of Governors.


The seven-member Board of Governors is a federal agency. It is charged with the overseeing of the 12 District Reserve Banks and setting national monetary policy. It also supervises and regulates the U.S. banking system in general.[71] Governors are appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate for staggered 14-year terms.[48] One term begins every two years, on February 1 of even-numbered years, and members serving a full term cannot be renominated for a second term.[72] "[U]pon the expiration of their terms of office, members of the Board shall continue to serve until their successors are appointed and have qualified." The law provides for the removal of a member of the Board by the President "for cause".[73] The Board is required to make an annual report of operations to the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.

Your statements about the Rockefeller and Rothschild families is just idiotic nonsense. An accurate way to phrase is the Rockefellers and Rothschild families own banks. Banks large enough to be a member bank of the Federal Reserve just like 38% of the banks in America.


A member bank is a private institution and owns stock in its regional Federal Reserve Bank. All nationally chartered banks hold stock in one of the Federal Reserve Banks. State chartered banks may choose to be members (and hold stock in their regional Federal Reserve bank), upon meeting certain standards. About 38% of U.S. banks are members of their regional Federal Reserve Bank.[88] The amount of stock a member bank must own is equal to 3% of its combined capital and surplus.[89][90] However, holding stock in a Federal Reserve bank is not like owning stock in a publicly traded company. These stocks cannot be sold or traded, and member banks do not control the Federal Reserve Bank as a result of owning this stock. The charter and organization of each Federal Reserve Bank is established by law and cannot be altered by the member banks. Member banks, do however, elect six of the nine members of the Federal Reserve Banks' boards of directors.[48][91] From the profits of the Regional Bank of which it is a member, a member bank receives a dividend equal to 6% of their purchased stock.[14] The remainder of the regional Federal Reserve Banks' profits is given over to the United States Treasury Department. In 2009, the Federal Reserve Banks distributed $1.4 billion in dividends to member banks and returned $47 billion to the U.S. Treasury.[92]

The Fed is not funded with taxpayer money, it's funded with the funds of the member banks.

This shit is easily available if you want to know it. I suspect you don't want to.

[JohnnyWall]

Free masonry crap is all conspiracy theories, but the federal reserve and the rothschild family is all facts. This is why the average American is clueless and dumb.

I can assure you that all the member banks of all the 12 Federal Reserve Regional banks are not owned by the Rothschilds.


you might want to look up the definition of anti-semetic again champ

I said anti-Semitic, not anti-semetic. And the "Rothschild Connection" is a well-known conspiracy theory with very anti-Semitic underpinnings. Sheldon Emry, an early leader of the racist, anti-Semitic religious movement first wrote, "Most of the owners of the largest banks in America are of Eastern European ancestry and connected with the Rothschild banks." In 1983, they claimed that Rothschild banks and other international banking concerns, mostly with Jewish names, controlled the Federal Reserve.

[KevinNYC]

It takes about five minutes to look up the banks that are member banks for the New York Fed

Adirondack Bank
Adirondack Trust Company
Alden State Bank
Amboy Bank
Banco Popular De Puerto Rico
Banco Popular North America
Bank of Cattaraugus
Bank of Millbrook
Bank of New York Mellon
BPD Bank
Chemung Canal Trust Company
Community Bank of Bergen County, N.J.
Depository Trust Company
Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas
Empire State Bank
Five Star Bank
Goldman Sachs Bank USA
Gotham Bank of New York
Manufacturers and Traders Trust Company
Mizuho Corporate Bank (USA)
Northern Trust Company of New York
Orange County Trust Company
Peapack-Gladstone Bank
Solvay Bank
Tioga State Bank
Warehouse Trust Company LLC

[JohnnyWall]

It takes about five minutes to look up the banks that are member banks for the New York Fed

Adirondack Bank
Adirondack Trust Company
Alden State Bank
Amboy Bank
Banco Popular De Puerto Rico
Banco Popular North America
Bank of Cattaraugus
Bank of Millbrook
Bank of New York Mellon
BPD Bank
Chemung Canal Trust Company
Community Bank of Bergen County, N.J.
Depository Trust Company
Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas
Empire State Bank
Five Star Bank
Goldman Sachs Bank USA
Gotham Bank of New York
Manufacturers and Traders Trust Company
Mizuho Corporate Bank (USA)
Northern Trust Company of New York
Orange County Trust Company
Peapack-Gladstone Bank
Solvay Bank
Tioga State Bank
Warehouse Trust Company LLC

They're all owned by the Rothschild family, guise!

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002227985/192681172_loan_modification_conspiracy_tin_foil_ha t_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

[Pushxx]

No shit...the Federal Reserve has $16 trillion unaccounted for, yet the corrupt government still lets it run wild completely independently.

So ridiculous. The military industrial complex rules this country, anyway.

[Celtics4ever]

DUDE, you're on the internet. You can look this shit up. Or do you only go online to become more uninformed.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/federal-reserve-bank-ownership/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

The Senate does vote on the Board of Governors.


.

Your statements about the Rockefeller and Rothschild families is just idiotic nonsense. An accurate way to phrase is the Rockefellers and Rothschild families own banks. Banks large enough to be a member bank of the Federal Reserve just like 38% of the banks in America.



The Fed is not funded with taxpayer money, it's funded with the funds of the member banks.

This shit is easily available if you want to know it. I suspect you don't want to.

You're the one that's clueless. Not a dime of our federal tax goes to any U.S. government program or service. It goes to private lenders. The goverment uses the taxes to repay their debt to the reserve.

[Celtics4ever]

It takes about five minutes to look up the banks that are member banks for the New York Fed

Adirondack Bank
Adirondack Trust Company
Alden State Bank
Amboy Bank
Banco Popular De Puerto Rico
Banco Popular North America
Bank of Cattaraugus
Bank of Millbrook
Bank of New York Mellon
BPD Bank
Chemung Canal Trust Company
Community Bank of Bergen County, N.J.
Depository Trust Company
Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas
Empire State Bank
Five Star Bank
Goldman Sachs Bank USA
Gotham Bank of New York
Manufacturers and Traders Trust Company
Mizuho Corporate Bank (USA)
Northern Trust Company of New York
Orange County Trust Company
Peapack-Gladstone Bank
Solvay Bank
Tioga State Bank
Warehouse Trust Company LLC

What does this have to do with anything I said? I just mentioned before that the Federal Reserve has shareholders which are banks. Everyone knows that, but the daily operations are run by the rothschild family. They run the board of directors.

[DFish]

Not a dime of our federal tax goes to any U.S. government program or service.

http://xa7.xanga.com/0dae013419335281804876/m224573760.jpg

[JohnnyWall]

the daily operations are run by the rothschild family. They run the board of directors.

No, they don't.

[lefthook00]

It's very simple. They go into less developed countries and get them to borrow money at crazy interest rates to "develop" their country, country can't pay back loans b/c interest is too high, they come back and make a "deal" = reduce the principal/interest on the loan in exchange for the country's natural resources at crazy low prices, or they let us build bases there. Basically it's a form of low-key imperialism.

Now some of these countries' leaders know what's up, and they don't take the deal. This is when the smear campaign, or "revolution" starts in their country. The same people that offered the loans hire people to start an uprising in the streets so their own people end up overthrowing their leader or they paint him as evil, they turn the cameras on and broadcast it around the world.

If that doesn't work, then the troops move in and take over by force. Think Saddam Hussein, Panama, Nicaragua, Venezuela, etc.

Search the term "economic hitmen".

***VERY INTERESTING***

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AynGBMUgdmg

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVkXO4Pa_Qo&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce6bX_Arv1g&feature=relmfu

[Celtics4ever]

No, they don't.

So you're saying the people that started the federal banking system decided not to control what is happening in their system?

[Celtics4ever]

It's very simple. They go into less developed countries and get them to borrow money at crazy interest rates to "develop" their country, country can't pay back loans b/c interest is too high, they come back and make a "deal" = reduce the principal/interest on the loan in exchange for the country's natural resources at crazy low prices, or they let us build bases there. Basically it's a form of low-key imperialism.

Now some of these countries' leaders know what's up, and they don't take the deal. This is when the smear campaign, or "revolution" starts in their country. The same people that offered the loans hire people to start an uprising in the streets so their own people end up overthrowing their leader or they paint him as evil, they turn the cameras on and broadcast it around the world. Then the troops move in and take over by force. Think Saddam Hussein, Panama, Nicaragua, Venezuela, etc.

Search the term "economic hitmen".

***VERY INTERESTING***

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AynGBMUgdmg

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVkXO4Pa_Qo&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce6bX_Arv1g&feature=relmfu

The average American is too stupid to understand this stuff. They think there is no corruption in this world.

[REACTION]

These guys run the banking system in every country besides Cuba, North Korea and Iran.

Dude these guys are the ones that print the currency for almost every nation.

Most if not all of the presidents of the United States have been puppets of the Rothschild families

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2612/4111377230_fdbfcc3518_o.jpg

[rawimpact]

A friend of mine is really tight with a Rockefeller. They met at college and the Rockefeller changed her last name so people wouldn't bother her about her family, and only divulged the truth after they were friends for two years.

Must be rough being filthy rich.

It's probably tougher then you think. Native Americans for example don't have to work at all. They have land, they have a large sum of money... yet they are the highest in suicide rate, education level etc. When one does not have goals there is no motivation and those are the ones that tend to quickly collapse towards depression hence the suicide rate.

Now i'm not saying members within these families are living a rough life, but i'm just saying that they may deal with issues you or I have not imagined or thought about.

[lefthook00]

The average American is too stupid to understand this stuff. They think there is no corruption in this world.

I'm not mad though, I don't have time to be. It's pretty clear to see what's going on though.

[hooops1]

People always want easy outs and simple answers, in this case it's the Rothschild and Rockefeller families. Celtic4ever do you actually think you're on to something here, you have seen a few youtube videos, what do they actually do?
Oh right, just control everything and everyone (the US presidents for starters), but you and your cronies are on to them. :applause:

[Celtics4ever]

People always want easy outs and simple answers, in this case it's the Rothschild and Rockefeller families. Celtic4ever do you actually think you're on to something here, you have seen a few youtube videos, what do they actually do?
Oh right, just control everything and everyone (the US presidents for starters), but you and your cronies are on to them. :applause:

What do you know? I'm sorry that you're gullible.

[hooops1]

What do you know? I'm sorry that you're gullible.

I don't know anything regarding this. I am asking you what they supposedly do. Gullible to what? That they don't really control everything?

[Saintsfan1992]

I read an article where they said that the rockefellers/rothschild family don't allow women into their money business because they think women are too emotional to handle it. They keep all the information private.

Very smart. :pimp:

[Saintsfan1992]

The average American is too stupid to understand this stuff. They think there is no corruption in this world.

Don't disrespect our intelligence please. And the word is ignorant not stupid.

insulting people will make the process go faster. :pimp:

[bmulls]

People always want easy outs and simple answers, in this case it's the Rothschild and Rockefeller families. Celtic4ever do you actually think you're on to something here, you have seen a few youtube videos, what do they actually do?
Oh right, just control everything and everyone (the US presidents for starters), but you and your cronies are on to them. :applause:

lol, the most powerful families in the world, who control every bank and every country on Earth...thwarted by Celtics4ever and his ISH crew.

Darn you meddling kids!!

[Nick Young]

Yup, and it's also funny how these countries are portrayed as "evil"

Also makes you wonder why we really went to Iraq and Afghanistan. And who really started the riots in Libya.
LAWL read about the guy who just escaped from his life born in a North Korean prison camp and tell me they aren't evil:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


Iraq, saddam hussein did alot of f*cked up things including mustard gassing a kurdish village for fun but on the whole the standard of living was pretty good.

Afghanistan, those guys should have just been allowed to do what they do, they weren't that bad, women have it alot worse in other parts of the world.

[KevinNYC]

The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17).

Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:

Rothschild Bank of London
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

My favorite part of this is the references. Anyhow, for those who actually want to see what's up. You can google the part I put in bold and you can see the all the kook websites that publish this shit. There are a lot. And yes, this is an age-old, antisemtic myth, the Rockefellers were just thrown in for good measure and name recognition in America.. There's a reason Ron Paul's newsletters were going after the racist market for a while. A good part of them believe this shit.

This is the type of ads you see on some of these websites.

http://www.orgoneproducts.org/orgone_healing_disc.php


Orgone Healing Disc - 7 inches in diameter and a 1/2 inch thick, these Orgone discs can be used to purify food or water or as a tool to reduce chronic pain for healers or personal use. Orgone was originally discovered by Dr. Wilhelm Reich; a psychoanalyst who trained under Sigmund Freud at the Vienna Institute in Austria in the early 1920's. These beautiful discs contain steel, copper, silver as well as crystals and high quality epoxy resin. The metals refract the Chi or cosmic energy, while the resin captures the frequencies to contain high quantities of life force energy that can be used to clear a home and heal the mind and the body. High levels of life force energy lead to abundance and happiness over a period of time.

One healing disc is only $64. What a bargain!
http://www.orgoneproducts.org/images/healing_disc1.jpg

[brantonli]

It's very simple. They go into less developed countries and get them to borrow money at crazy interest rates to "develop" their country, country can't pay back loans b/c interest is too high, they come back and make a "deal" = reduce the principal/interest on the loan in exchange for the country's natural resources at crazy low prices, or they let us build bases there. Basically it's a form of low-key imperialism.

Now some of these countries' leaders know what's up, and they don't take the deal. This is when the smear campaign, or "revolution" starts in their country. The same people that offered the loans hire people to start an uprising in the streets so their own people end up overthrowing their leader or they paint him as evil, they turn the cameras on and broadcast it around the world.

If that doesn't work, then the troops move in and take over by force. Think Saddam Hussein, Panama, Nicaragua, Venezuela, etc.



Um ever heard of defaulting? South American countries were famous for doing so in the 80s 90s, huh I wonder why they haven't been invaded and had their natural resources taken.

[Rasheed1]

Um ever heard of defaulting? South American countries were famous for doing so in the 80s 90s, huh I wonder why they haven't been invaded and had their natural resources taken.


there is a pretty extensive history of the United States and corporations going into South America to undermine the leadership there and take their resources...

the company called United Fruit' comes mind. Alot of assassinations and real shady sh*t going on in South America

[n00bie]

Here is a cartoon version of the federal reserve for more simple minded folks like me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM

More entertaining yet still educational.

[MJ(Mean John)]

The average American is too stupid to understand this stuff. They think there is no corruption in this world.



Hey fu.ck you man.

I'm an average American. Lol

[Scholar]

People always want easy outs and simple answers, in this case it's the Rothschild and Rockefeller families. Celtic4ever do you actually think you're on to something here, you have seen a few youtube videos, what do they actually do?
Oh right, just control everything and everyone (the US presidents for starters), but you and your cronies are on to them. :applause:

The first man to be classified as "the richest man in the world" was a Rockefeller.

This isn't some conspiracy theory bullshit. This is the truth. There are two families that run everything. Even the Waltons (family that owns Wal Mart, Sam's Club & a # of other lucrative businesses) are considerably broke compared to these two families.


I thought it was common knowledge that the Rockefellers & Rothschild families run the banking systems, but apparently ISH proved me wrong.

[falc39]

My favorite part of this is the references. Anyhow, for those who actually want to see what's up. You can google the part I put in bold and you can see the all the kook websites that publish this shit. There are a lot. And yes, this is an age-old, antisemtic myth, the Rockefellers were just thrown in for good measure and name recognition in America.. There's a reason Ron Paul's newsletters were going after the racist market for a while. A good part of them believe this shit.

This is the type of ads you see on some of these websites.

http://www.orgoneproducts.org/orgone_healing_disc.php



One healing disc is only $64. What a bargain!
http://www.orgoneproducts.org/images/healing_disc1.jpg

lol how you bring up Ron Paul randomly to smear him when no one has even mentioned him in this thread.

Clearly you have no agenda...

[bagelred]

These guys run the banking system in every country besides Cuba, North Korea and Iran. After the "war against terrorism" they started a banking system in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. They are the ones that lend out money to all these countries.

Why does this family like to stay low-key? People think Bill Gates etc. are the richest in the world, but the truth is he's homeless compared to these families.

Yup.

[KevinNYC]

lol how you bring up Ron Paul randomly to smear him when no one has even mentioned him in this thread.

Clearly you have no agenda...

The reason I mentioned Ron Paul is because when I googled that text in bold, I came across a lot of "freeman" websites and pages like this where Ron Paul is referenced. (http://www.*****.com/general86/pres.htm)

US Presidents Murdered By The
Rothschild Banking Cartel
.....

from the footnotes
2. Roberts, Craig, Kill Zone, Consolidated Press International, 1994. Fascinating expos, on the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Paul, Ron, The Ron Paul Survival Report (a newsletter by a former congressman on monetary issues, personal survival, etc.), P.O. Box 602, Lake Jackson, TX, 77566.

or pages like these from the Ron Paul fansite, dailypaul.com

http://www.dailypaul.com/77899/the-primary-owners-of-the-federal-reserve-bank-are
http://www.dailypaul.com/230429/who-are-the-owners-of-romney-obama
http://www.dailypaul.com/227020/federal-reserve-banking-system
http://www.dailypaul.com/183587/why-end-the-fed


You can do the google search yourself
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adailypaul.com+lazard%20brothers%20 of%20paris

It's laughable to pretend that this nonsense doesn't have currency among Ron Paul fans

[RaininTwos]

The first man to be classified as "the richest man in the world" was a Rockefeller.

This isn't some conspiracy theory bullshit. This is the truth. There are two families that run everything. Even the Waltons (family that owns Wal Mart, Sam's Club & a # of other lucrative businesses) are considerably broke compared to these two families.


I thought it was common knowledge that the Rockefellers & Rothschild families run the banking systems, but apparently ISH proved me wrong.
People just don't want to believe these things.

[Rasheed1]

pretending that Ron Paul is the sole source of this idea is dumb.... These ideas come from multiple places.

Rothchild's & Rockfeller role in the rise of central banks isnt news to anybody who has a brain and has been paying attention...

[(e)]

Good thing Lehman Brothers is bankrupt

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

The Federal Reserve is owned by a few wealthy British families. And yes, one of them is the Rothschild family.

Our nation, and every citizen in our nation will forever be in debt to them, and under their control. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's fact.

Until a good revolutionary comes along and changes the world forever..

Andrew Jackson and the Founding Fathers, i shall avenge you.

[Scholar]

People just don't want to believe these things.

Yep. That's the problem with most people. They want to assume everything is as they see it. There isn't corruption because corruption isn't happening directly in front of them. If it's happening behind closed doors, it doesn't exist.

Everything is a "conspiracy theory." Even when evidence is shown to back up these "absurd" claims, more people than not will say, "Naw, this is a conspiracy theory."

[KevinNYC]

pretending that Ron Paul is the sole source of this idea is dumb.... These ideas come from multiple places.

Rothchild's & Rockfeller role in the rise of central banks isnt news to anybody who has a brain and has been paying attention...

If you're referring to me, I never said Ron Paul was the sole source of this idea. That's why I believe I used the term "age-old." I said there was an affinity for Ron Paul among people who believe this conspiracy theories and that Ron Paul's newsletters used to peddle this stuff. Then I provided an example from one of Ron Paul's old newsletters.


Also saying the Rothchild's and Rockefeller (btw, you're missing an "E") had a role in rise of central banks is a long, long way from what from the idiotic claims of the OP. It's like saying the descendants of John Adams and James Madison secretly control the country today.

[falc39]

The reason I mentioned Ron Paul is because when I googled that text in bold, I came across a lot of "freeman" websites and pages like this where Ron Paul is referenced. (http://www.*****.com/general86/pres.htm)


or pages like these from the Ron Paul fansite, dailypaul.com

http://www.dailypaul.com/77899/the-primary-owners-of-the-federal-reserve-bank-are
http://www.dailypaul.com/230429/who-are-the-owners-of-romney-obama
http://www.dailypaul.com/227020/federal-reserve-banking-system
http://www.dailypaul.com/183587/why-end-the-fed


You can do the google search yourself
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adailypaul.com+lazard%20brothers%20 of%20paris

It's laughable to pretend that this nonsense doesn't have currency among Ron Paul fans

Yet someone like you who spends so much time on politics would know that Ron Paul didn't write those newsletters... and that he has a very wide range of supporters.

What you are trying to do is smear by association. I could easily do the same with the left if I just cherry pick what supporters write through Google. But that just adds to the circus

[KingBeasley08]

New World Order :rockon: :lol :facepalm

[KevinNYC]

Yet someone like you who spends so much time on politics would know that Ron Paul didn't write those newsletters.


Right. He just let people think he was the author and for many years his main source of income was publishing newsletters pushing racism, paranoia, xenophobia and conspiracy theories. Then when he ran for office, he kept changing his stories about the trash that he published and profited from.

And he continues being friendly to conspiracies today such as the Amereo and the NAFTA superhighway.

[Pushxx]

Anybody who doesn't think there are trillions of dollars of stolen money by those with power against the middle class of every nation is sorely ignorant or uninformed.

Again...$16 trillion dollars unaccounted for by the Fed. Fact.

[Celtics4ever]

The first man to be classified as "the richest man in the world" was a Rockefeller.

This isn't some conspiracy theory bullshit. This is the truth. There are two families that run everything. Even the Waltons (family that owns Wal Mart, Sam's Club & a # of other lucrative businesses) are considerably broke compared to these two families.


I thought it was common knowledge that the Rockefellers & Rothschild families run the banking systems, but apparently ISH proved me wrong.

I'm pretty shocked at how clueless some people are. I guess it makes sense because everyone is so busy working/going to school that dont get time to see what's happening in our world.

[Celtics4ever]

If you're referring to me, I never said Ron Paul was the sole source of this idea. That's why I believe I used the term "age-old." I said there was an affinity for Ron Paul among people who believe this conspiracy theories and that Ron Paul's newsletters used to peddle this stuff. Then I provided an example from one of Ron Paul's old newsletters.


Also saying the Rothchild's and Rockefeller (btw, you're missing an "E") had a role in rise of central banks is a long, long way from what from the idiotic claims of the OP. It's like saying the descendants of John Adams and James Madison secretly control the country today.

The Rothschild/Rockefeller families started the federal reserve so they can control the worlds money supply. They basically run the whole world (besides North Korea, Cuba, and Iran). Why do you think they like to stay so low key and secretive?

[Celtics4ever]

Yep. That's the problem with most people. They want to assume everything is as they see it. There isn't corruption because corruption isn't happening directly in front of them. If it's happening behind closed doors, it doesn't exist.

Everything is a "conspiracy theory." Even when evidence is shown to back up these "absurd" claims, more people than not will say, "Naw, this is a conspiracy theory."

These people that run the world know more about everything than any of us know. There are always stuff hidden from the public and even governments.

[KingBeasley08]

These people that run the world know more about everything than any of us know. There are always stuff hidden from the public and even governments.
I'm not worried because the best detective in the whole world, Celtics43ver, is on em :cheers:

[Celtics4ever]

Mayer Amschel Rothschild quotes:

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."

"I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."


President Jackson to the Rothschilds/Bankers,

"You are a den of thieves vipers, and I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out."

Mayer Amschel Rothschild

[Dizzle-2k7]

theres a book called "currency wars" from china.. its a bestseller there and has been read by all the politicians and people in power...

the book states the rothschilds are worth approx 5 TRILLION dollars. china knows whats up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_Wars

[Celtics4ever]

theres a book called "currency wars" from china.. its a bestseller there and has been read by all the politicians and people in power...

the book states the rothschilds are worth approx 5 TRILLION dollars. china knows whats up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_Wars

Nice find.

According to the book, the western countries in general and the US in particular are controlled by a clique of international bankers, which use currency manipulation (hence the title) to gain wealth by first loaning money in USD to developing nations and then shorting their currency. The Japanese Lost decade, the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis, the Latin American financial crisis and others are attributed to this cause. It also claims that the Rothschild Family has the wealth of 5 trillion dollars whereas Bill Gates only has 40 billion dollars.[11]

Song also is of the same opinion as congressman Ron Paul – that the famous U.S. central bank, the Federal Reserve, is not a department of state functions, but several private banks operated by the private sector, and that these private banks are loyal to the ubiquitous Rothschild family.

[KevinNYC]

theres a book called "currency wars" from china.. its a bestseller there and has been read by all the politicians and people in power...

the book states the rothschilds are worth approx 5 TRILLION dollars. china knows whats up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_Wars

Dude, there was a book in America called The DaVinci Code. The book stated......ah who ****ing cares.

[falc39]

Right. He just let people think he was the author and for many years his main source of income was publishing newsletters pushing racism, paranoia, xenophobia and conspiracy theories. Then when he ran for office, he kept changing his stories about the trash that he published and profited from.

And he continues being friendly to conspiracies today such as the Amereo and the NAFTA superhighway.

lol amazing how easily you brush everything as conspiracy...

was this you back in the day on the screen asking Ron Paul the question?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPLM8rlyArU

Ron Paul clearly understands the difference between what a conspiracy is and not. I don't think you do... either that or you have a clear agenda, like I said.

[andgar923]

I'm still not sure that those families are the wealthiest. There may be some we don't know about that are wealthier. Royalties that have been wealthy beyond our dreams for scores.

But I do believe that a select few families are capable of controlling most country's financing system, including ours. Not sure why people think it's impossible for this to happen.

There's small towns that are controlled by families.

There's small cities that are controlled by families.

There's large cities that are controlled by families.

There's countries that are controlled by families.

Magnify these same scenarios and there may be a select few families that have enough wealth and influence to control not just USA, but other countries as well.

Do people seriously think that our government has power? :oldlol:

These fools are controlled like the puppets that they are. ROFL @ citing law and code as if the people in charge would adhere to it. As if these families wouldn't be above the law.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Dude, there was a book in America called The DaVinci Code. The book stated......ah who ****ing cares.

cat got ur tongue? dumb fuq cant reply with intelligent debate. :sleeping

[bdreason]

Kevin, one thing I don't understand is why you seem to operate on the assumption that the Federal Reserve has our best interests in mind?

Are you forgetting that the Great Depression happened under the watch of the Federal Reserve? Why didn't they do everything they could to help us then (they actually cut the money supply)? Why didn't our Government separate ourselves from the Fed when it was obvious their system of controlling the money supply (they precipitated the bubble, aka roaring 20's, by increasing the money supply, and cutting interest rates) doesn't work, and leads to cycles of booms and busts?


I'm just trying to understand why someone would place their faith in a bunch of foreign bankers, who have done nothing but drive the American people deeper into debt (servitude), decade after decade. I don't believe a single word that comes from the mouth of anyone associated with the Federal Reserve. They don't care about me, they don't care about you, and they certainly don't care about the prosperity of the American people.

[bdreason]

And this Country will not survive another depression. States that have their shit together, like Texas, will likely cede from the Union. States like California will literally explode into chaos and violence. People will not rally and help each other, we are passed that era. It will be take what you can, everyone for themselves, and many of the State governments (who are already borderline bankrupt) will completely collapse.


This isn't the 1930's. A modern day depression will lead to anarchy.

[JohnnyWall]

And this Country will not survive another depression. States that have their shit together, like Texas, will likely cede from the Union. States like California will literally explode into chaos and violence. People will not rally and help each other, we are passed that era. It will be take what you can, everyone for themselves, and many of the State governments (who are already borderline bankrupt) will completely collapse.

This isn't the 1930's. A modern day depression will lead to anarchy.

Dude, it'll be fine for those of us with enough foresight to procure our hats ahead of time.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3430/3211396764_4bd6fb6bb3.jpg

[eliteballer]

A few teenagers on a message board have uncovered the greatest conspiracy in human history.........................
































:oldlol: :facepalm

[Riley Martin]

The world ends on December 21st, so who really gives a shit. :D

[bdreason]

I'm not a conspiracy theorists, but I've prepared my family for the worst case scenario. Our government can't even regulate our own borders. I have little faith that they can control the chaos of a desperate populace. California, the largest economy is the United States (8th largest in the World), is already coming apart at the seams.


This isn't Japan, people aren't going to wait politely in line for their share of rations in time of a crisis. Our society promotes the individual, not the collective.

[bdreason]

A few teenagers on a message board have uncovered the greatest conspiracy in human history.........................



It's not a conspiracy, most Americans are just completely ignorant to the facts. Do a test for yourself. Just ask random people, family, friends, who runs the Federal Reserve. It's a basic fact that every American should know. My guess is less than 10% of the people you ask have any idea. Most of them will probably say something like, "the government", or "the president". :oldlol:

[JohnnyWall]

I'm not a conspiracy theorists, but I've prepared my family for the worst case scenario. Our government can't even regulate our own borders. I have little faith that they can control the chaos of a desperate populace. California, the largest economy is the United States (8th largest in the World), is already coming apart at the seams.


This isn't Japan, people aren't going to wait politely in line for their share of rations in time of a crisis. Our society promotes the individual, not the collective.

What sort of preparations are we talking about? Do you have a bunker?

I saw a Nat Geo program not too long ago about doomsday bunkers that were pretty sweet looking.

[KevinNYC]

Kevin, one thing I don't understand is why you seem to operate on the assumption that the Federal Reserve has our best interests in mind?

Are you forgetting that the Great Depression happened under the watch of the Federal Reserve? Why didn't they do everything they could to help us then (they actually cut the money supply)? Why didn't our Government separate ourselves from the Fed when it was obvious their system of controlling the money supply (they precipitated the bubble, aka roaring 20's, by increasing the money supply, and cutting interest rates) doesn't work, and leads to cycles of booms and busts?


I'm just trying to understand why someone would place their faith in a bunch of foreign bankers, who have done nothing but drive the American people deeper into debt (servitude), decade after decade. I don't believe a single word that comes from the mouth of anyone associated with the Federal Reserve. They don't care about me, they don't care about you, and they certainly don't care about the prosperity of the American people.

1. Our knowledge of macroeconomics is far better than it was in 1920's. You could argue that macroeconomics didn't even exist until 1936. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Theory_of_Employment,_Interest_and_Money)

2. We know a lot more about what the Fed did wrong in 1929-33.

3. You talk about 1929. When judging the performance of the FED, you also need to look at the 19th century and early 20th century when financial panics and depressions happened much more often than after the Fed was established.

4. I don't believe the nonsense about foreign bankers controlling the Fed.

5. Since the Fed is not controlled by foreign bankers, but by Americans appointed by the President and confirmed by Congress and must , "yield a "fair representation of the financial, agricultural, industrial, and commercial interests and geographical divisions of the country," I don't see why they would have any interest in promoting the anarchy and social upheaval you mention.



Also I wonder what comfort you get from placing your faith in conspiracy theories. Does it make you feel like an insider? Not one of those gullible sheep?

[Celtics4ever]

It's not a conspiracy, most Americans are just completely ignorant to the facts. Do a test for yourself. Just ask random people, family, friends, who runs the Federal Reserve. It's a basic fact that every American should know. My guess is less than 10% of the people you ask have any idea. Most of them will probably say something like, "the government", or "the president". :oldlol:

I agree. You see all the clueless people on this forum? This is 90% of Americans.

[KingBeasley08]

Only way I think all this stuff is legit is if Jeff deletes this thread.

This thread = Jews running the whole world
Jeff = Jew

I can add two and two together

[Celtics4ever]

Only way I think all this stuff is legit is if Jeff deletes this thread.

This thread = Jews running the whole world
Jeff = Jew

I can add two and two together

Jews don't run the world. Only a couple Jewish Families

[JohnnyWall]

Them jews be up to no good again.

[KingBeasley08]

They couldn't find more non Jewish members? And they are not bankers, these people that are appointed are economists.
To tell you the truth, I have no idea why. What about the second part of my question?

[bdreason]

What sort of preparations are we talking about? Do you have a bunker?

I saw a Nat Geo program not too long ago about doomsday bunkers that were pretty sweet looking.


I haven't gone that far, but my brother wants to. We have researched bunkers, and there is a company that will install a 2 bedroom 2 bath bunker for around 100k. You just need an acre of land, a water-well, and a septic tank. They run all the lines for you.



My family actually owns some secluded property in Eastern Oregon that has a water-well, and a fresh water creek located nearby. The property taxes are apparently ridiculous, but fortunately it's not something I will have to pay until my parents are deceased.

[Celtics4ever]

I haven't gone that far, but my brother wants to. We have researched bunkers, and there is a company that will install a 2 bedroom 2 bath bunker for around 100k. You just need an acre of land, a water-well, and a septic tank. They run all the lines for you.



My family actually owns some secluded property in Eastern Oregon that has a water-well, and a fresh water creek located nearby. The property taxes are apparently ridiculous, but fortunately it's not something I will have to pay until my parents are deceased.

Bro, I don't think the world is ending in 2012. That's just a bunch of BS. But I do believe that it's in the best interest of these powerful people to reduce the population of the world. Natural disasters and diseases are a good way to take care of that.

[bdreason]

1. Our knowledge of macroeconomics is far better than it was in 1920's. You could argue that macroeconomics didn't even exist until 1936. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Theory_of_Employment,_Interest_and_Money)

2. We know a lot more about what the Fed did wrong in 1929-33.

3. You talk about 1929. When judging the performance of the FED, you also need to look at the 19th century and early 20th century when financial panics and depressions happened much more often than after the Fed was established.

4. I don't believe the nonsense about foreign bankers controlling the Fed.

5. Since the Fed is not controlled by foreign bankers, but by Americans appointed by the President and confirmed by Congress and must , "yield a "fair representation of the financial, agricultural, industrial, and commercial interests and geographical divisions of the country," I don't see why they would have any interest in promoting the anarchy and social upheaval you mention.



C'mon, the Fed knew exactly what would happen when they cut-off the money supply after the Stock Market crash. This is far from "revisionist history". And the American Government doesn't control a single thing the Fed does. They do what they want, when they want. If our Government had any control over the Fed, then the Fed wouldn't have been allowed to cut the money supply after the Stock Market crash, period.


And I never said the Fed promoted anarchy and upheaval. Their job is to keep our heads just above the water as long as possible, so they can continue to operate their business. The economy can only cook so hot, for so long though... and eventually the Fed will cut their losses (like they did during the Great Depression), and leave us all out to dry.

[Celtics4ever]

[JohnnyWall]

Do you propose we eliminate all the Jews or just some?

[Celtics4ever]

Do you propose we eliminate all the Jews or just some?

:biggums:

What? Why would we eliminate Jews? They have nothing to do with this. Just because the richest and most powerful family is Jewish and controls the world doesn't mean every Jew is part of them.

[Celtics4ever]

Do you propose we eliminate all the Jews or just some?

And I know you were being sarcastic. But, you, my friend, are an idiot that thinks everyone is there to look out for you and help you. Sucks you feel that way.

[KevinNYC]

Only way I think all this stuff is legit is if Jeff deletes this thread.

This thread = Jews running the whole world
Jeff = Jew

I can add two and two together

I'm not Jewish and I'm disturbed by the anti-Semitism in this thread.

How does that affect your math?

[JohnnyWall]

And I know you were being sarcastic. But, you, my friend, are an idiot that thinks everyone is there to look out for you and help you. Sucks you feel that way.

Is there middle ground between thinking there's no corruption, only goodness and thinking there's one wealthy family pulling all the strings behind the scenes of all the central banking systems in the world? Oh, except Cuba and Iran.

If there is such middle ground, I'd like to declare myself somewhere on that gradient.

[Celtics4ever]

C'mon, the Fed knew exactly what would happen when they cut-off the money supply after the Stock Market crash. This is far from "revisionist history". And the American Government doesn't control a single thing the Fed does. They do what they want, when they want. If our Government had any control over the Fed, then the Fed wouldn't have been allowed to cut the money supply after the Stock Market crash, period.


And I never said the Fed promoted anarchy and upheaval. Their job is to keep our heads just above the water as long as possible, so they can continue to operate their business. The economy can only cook so hot, for so long though... and eventually the Fed will cut their losses (like they did during the Great Depression), and leave us all out to dry.

I know the Fed has done a lot of bad things in the past and I blame them for the recent economy crash, but when you look at it the economy has to crash every 40 years or so, so it can start over. I think it's part of the cycle that the Fed has created.

With that in mind. We can't really know what these families(Rockefeller/Rothschild) are upto and what's their goals. All I know is that they want to take over the whole world, the only 3 countries they don't have control over is North Korea, Cuba and Iran. I think they are scared shitless of North Korea. Only they know if their intentions are good or evil.

[KingBeasley08]

I'm not Jewish and I'm disturbed by the anti-Semitism in this thread.

How does that affect your math?
Not that surprised. This Zionist Conspiracy theory has been around for centuries. Its been pushed by many powerful families and rules (Hitler was one) and bought by neo-nazis as that racist site storm_front shows. Theres a pretty deep history of hatred of Jews.


Antisemitism has, from the Middle Ages, frequently taken on characteristics of conspiracy theory. Antisemitic canards continue to circulate. In medieval Europe it was widely believed that Jews poisoned wells, had killed Jesus, and consumed the blood of Christians in their rituals (despite the fact that human and animal blood is not kosher).

And now its, the elite Jews are running the world and helping Israel become the dominant, lone force.

[KevinNYC]

:biggums:

What? Why would we eliminate Jews? They have nothing to do with this. Just because the richest and most powerful family is Jewish and controls the world doesn't mean every Jew is part of them.

This is amazing. It's like the Protocol of the Elders meets an afterschool special. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuogsjDcKf8)

Your storm front buddies aren't going to like that

[insidehoops]

It's really interesting how if a powerful person is Jewish, then his religion is an important thing to note and to mention each time that person's actions are reviewed.

But if a powerful person is Christian, Catholic, Muslim, etc. then suddenly their religion is a NON-FACTOR, even if that person DOES THE EXACT SAME STUFF as that first guy.

[JohnnyWall]

It's really interesting how if a powerful person is Jewish, then his religion is an important thing to note and to mention each time that person's actions are reviewed.

But if a powerful person is Christian, Catholic, Muslim, etc. then suddenly their religion is a NON-FACTOR, even if that person DOES THE EXACT SAME STUFF as that first guy.

:oldlol:

[insidehoops]

Corrupt CEO who happens to be Christian and does A, B and C = THAT GUY WAS CORRUPT!

Corrupt CEO who happens to be Jewish and does A, B, and C = THAT GUY WAS CORRUPT! AND HE WAS JEWISH. DID I MENTION HE'S JEWISH? THAT GUY WAS JEWISH, BY THE WAY. JEWISH!

:biggums:


Question: Wait, so both guys did the exact same stuff, to try to make themselves rich, right?

Answer: Yes, but DID YOU HAPPEN TO SEE THE RELIGION OF THAT SECOND GUY?!?

:biggums:

[Celtics4ever]

It's really interesting how if a powerful person is Jewish, then his religion is an important thing to note and to mention each time that person's actions are reviewed.

But if a powerful person is Christian, Catholic, Muslim, etc. then suddenly their religion is a NON-FACTOR, even if that person DOES THE EXACT SAME STUFF as that first guy.

I agree with that. I'm not trying to knock Jews out of their great accomplishments in this country. I made this thread about the Federal Reserve banks of the World and how they are run by the Rothschild families who happen to be Jewish.

[insidehoops]

I agree with that. I'm not trying to knock Jews out of their great accomplishments in this country. I made this thread about the Federal Reserve banks of the World and how they are run by the Rothschild families who happen to be Jewish.

Gotcha. I understand.

By the way, what's the religion of the Rockefeller family and their descendants?

And, any reason that never got mentioned? Let alone repeated over and over, and factored into the equation?

[KingBeasley08]

I agree with that. I'm not trying to knock Jews out of their great accomplishments in this country. I made this thread about the Federal Reserve banks of the World and how they are run by the Rothschild families who happen to be Jewish.
The only reason anyone would bring that up is the Zionist Conspiracy theory. Why else would their religion matter? You just listin up random facts about them? I think.. all of em have dark hair :eek:

Kill all those dark-haired muthaf*ckas :rolleyes:

[unbreakable]

It's really interesting how if a powerful person is Jewish, then his religion is an important thing to note and to mention each time that person's actions are reviewed.

But if a powerful person is Christian, Catholic, Muslim, etc. then suddenly their religion is a NON-FACTOR, even if that person DOES THE EXACT SAME STUFF as that first guy.


:oldlol:

comparing the "power" of millionaires to the POWER OF TRILLIONAIRES is unfathomable. nepotism exists and its the reason why these families are able to control so much for so long. only a child would disagree.

im still getting mine tho. thru rain thru hail or thru snow, i gotta get mine. fuq all those families in power. they cant see me.

[bmulls]

I know the Fed has done a lot of bad things in the past and I blame them for the recent economy crash, but when you look at it the economy has to crash every 40 years or so, so it can start over. I think it's part of the cycle that the Fed has created.

With that in mind. We can't really know what these families(Rockefeller/Rothschild) are upto and what's their goals. All I know is that they want to take over the whole world, the only 3 countries they don't have control over is North Korea, Cuba and Iran. I think they are scared shitless of North Korea. Only they know if their intentions are good or evil.

You are clearly a moron and have no idea what you are talking about.

Please explain to the rest of the class how the Federal Reserve authorized subprime mortgages and caused a massive housing market bubble.

[unbreakable]

how come nobody can point out the HUGE COINCIDENCE that the only places without a national bank are nk, lran, etc

[Celtics4ever]

Gotcha. I understand.

By the way, what's the religion of the Rockefeller family and their descendants?

And, any reason that never got mentioned? Let alone repeated over and over, and factored into the equation?

You're right their religion never gets mentioned. I doubt they were Jewish. I just thought of something. Since this is a sports forum. Check this out:

david stern- NBA Commissioner (jewish)
gary bettman- NHL Commissioner (jewish)
bud selig- MLB Commissioner (jewish)
george bodenheimer- President of ESPN/ABC Sports (jewish)

This shows the great accomplishments of the Jews.

[bmulls]

how come nobody can point out the HUGE COINCIDENCE that the only places without a national bank are nk, lran, etc

What is the coincidence?

[unbreakable]

What is the coincidence?

so ur not a fan of world peace, eh? :(

[insidehoops]

You're right their religion never gets mentioned. I doubt they were Jewish.


You didn't really answer my question.

[KingBeasley08]

so ur not a fan of world peace, eh? :(
never mind the fact that they are politically completely different countries

[Celtics4ever]

Why is this thread turning into religion?

Can we please keep this thread related to the Fed..

[insidehoops]

Why is this thread turning into religion?

Can we please keep this thread related to the Fed..

OK... but wait, but what about the religion of the Rockefellers?

And should their religion be mentioned each time their actions are reviewed?

[unbreakable]

never mind the fact that they are politically completely different countries
as opposed to all of africa? china? pakistan? egypt? why no war there? why not grant them freedom?

[unbreakable]

OK... but wait, but what about the religion of the Rockefellers?

And should their religion be mentioned each time their actions are reviewed?

the rockefellers pale in comparison to the rothschilds who gained their riches back when they hustled all of britains stock market.

again.. stop comparing fishes to sharks.

[insidehoops]

the rockefellers pale in comparison to the rothschilds who gained their riches back when they hustled all of britains stock market.

again.. stop comparing fishes to sharks.

OK.

Of course, the main point I was making is, it's always interesting which personal information about the multi-billionaire gets considered important, and then suddenly isn't important anymore when another multi-billionaire gets discussed

Anyway, carry on

[Celtics4ever]

You didn't really answer my question.

Well, I have said it before. I agree with you that if some successful person is Jewish, their religion gets emphasized. I know that happens. And it probably happens because people are jealous of the success of the Jews. It's part of human nature.

But I made this thread about the richest families of the world and how they control the federal reserve system and people started getting into the religious aspect of it.

[insidehoops]

But I made this thread about the richest families of the world and how they control the federal reserve system

Cool

[unbreakable]

OK.

Of course, the main point I was making is, it's always interesting which personal information about the multi-billionaire gets considered important, and then suddenly isn't important anymore when another multi-billionaire gets discussed

Anyway, carry on

they could be jewish, zimbabwe, mexican for all i care.. the fact is they got insane power and only pass it along to those closest to them.

[Celtics4ever]

they could be jewish, zimbabwe, mexican for all i care.. the fact is they got insane power and only pass it along to those closest to them.

True. It has nothing to do with their religion.

[Celtics4ever]

The only reason anyone would bring that up is the Zionist Conspiracy theory. Why else would their religion matter? You just listin up random facts about them? I think.. all of em have dark hair :eek:

Kill all those dark-haired muthaf*ckas :rolleyes:

I never brought up the Zionist Conspiracy theory. I don't even believe in that. This thread was made about how a group of people/families run the whole world and the countries that didn't have control over(Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya) were made to look bad until a banking system was established there recently. And how Iran, North Korea and Cuba are made out to be evil countries now when they don't have a federal banking system now.

[iamgine]

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/thumbs/South-Park-Season-15-Episode-1-HUMANCENTiPAD.jpg
Pictured from left to right: America, Jews, Rockafeller, The rest of us.

[Celtics4ever]

You're right their religion never gets mentioned. I doubt they were Jewish. I just thought of something. Since this is a sports forum. Check this out:

david stern- NBA Commissioner (jewish)
gary bettman- NHL Commissioner (jewish)
bud selig- MLB Commissioner (jewish)
george bodenheimer- President of ESPN/ABC Sports (jewish)

This shows the great accomplishments of the Jews.

The commissioner of Major league Soccer(MLS), Don Garber, is Jewish as well.

Jeff, you should be proud.

[Big_Dogg]

as opposed to all of africa? china? pakistan? egypt? why no war there? why not grant them freedom?

They have nothing that the US really wants, so why would they try to intervene?

[Celtics4ever]

They have nothing that the US really wants, so why would they try to intervene?

It's funny how we were told that the reason we went into Afghanistan was to kill Osama and the Taliban, but then we also decided to invade Iraq. After all that, we stayed there and established a rothschild-owned banking system. I wonder if that was the real reason why we invaded these countries. I thought we were only going there to kill Osama? This is why North Korea is smart and they won't let that happen to them. I have a feeling Cuba and Iran is next though.

[1987_Lakers]

Rothschild movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWmeuwL-UI

notice the background at 3:30

[Celtics4ever]

The Iran Central bank is owned by the government of Iran and not by the Rothschild or related families.

Let's look at what the Rothschild family is doing to get Iran to join their system.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17390456

15 March 2012 Last updated at 13:55 ET

Iran's banks to be blocked from global banking system

The move will isolate Iran financially by making it almost impossible for money to flow in and out of the country via official banking channels.

It will hit its oil industry, but may also have a heavy impact on Iranians who live abroad and send money home.

The move follows EU sanctions against Iran over its nuclear programme.

The US and its allies accuse Iran of trying to develop nuclear weapons - a charge it denies.

[andgar923]

Rothschild movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWmeuwL-UI

notice the background at 3:30
http://www.ark-of-salvation.org/pyramid.gif

[Celtics4ever]

Rothschild movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWmeuwL-UI

notice the background at 3:30

That's crazy

[hooops1]

It's funny how we were told that the reason we went into Afghanistan was to kill Osama and the Taliban, but then we also decided to invade Iraq. After all that, we stayed there and established a rothschild-owned banking system. I wonder if that was the real reason why we invaded these countries. I thought we were only going there to kill Osama? This is why North Korea is smart and they won't let that happen to them. I have a feeling Cuba and Iran is next though.
I wonder if North Korea's people think the country is smart. As they work their way to an early death under oppressive conditions.
Why would the rothschild's be so desperate to take over the banking systems of backwater countries that have little bearing on world economic events? Any reasons beyond a feeling? :lol

[Celtics4ever]

I wonder if North Korea's people think the country is smart. As they work their way to an early death under oppressive conditions.
Why would the rothschild's be so desperate to take over the banking systems of backwater countries that have little bearing on world economic events? Any reasons beyond a feeling? :lol

I have no clue what their goal is. This is where one world government comes into play, but I have my doubts about that.

[KevinNYC]

Why else would their religion matter? You just listin up random facts about them? I think.. all of em have dark hair

But they don't all have dark hair.

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2004/Sept04/danny_Kaye_8120775.jpg

http://sharetv.org/images/person/seth_green.jpg

[KevinNYC]

Please explain to the rest of the class how the Federal Reserve authorized subprime mortgages and caused a massive housing market bubble.

OOooooh (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/themes/greenspan.html), ooooh, teacher, (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/17/george-bush-alan-greenspan) please.Pick me (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/fed/2004-02-23-greenspan-debt_x.htm)

There was no single person responsible for the financial crisis, but Alan Greenspan was near the top of the list for most responsible. Some examples of his malfeasance are

He kept interest rates very, very low for a long time which fueled both easy money mortgage lending and the increase in home prices.

He did not keep his eye on inflation in asset prices (if he did he could have cooled off the housing market by raising interest rates.)

He praised subprime lending as a financial innovation that was beneficial to the country.

He praised Adjustable Rate Mortgages at a time when interest rates were unbelievably low. Anyone who has looked at the Financial Crisis knows how much damage ARMs caused once the very low teaser rates expired. Banks and especially subprime lenders loved these because when the low rates expired, the consumer would come back to to refinance and the subprime company would rack up more fees on the refi.

He absolutely failed as a regulator which is part of the mandate of the Fed. He was a bank regulator. He basically didn't believe in regulation and assumed that private companies could regulate themselves. The financial meltdown absolutely blew this idea to pieces as risk management in company after company on Wall Street was shown to be a joke.

He also failed to manage the shadow banking system. If you don't know that is, then you probably don't understand how bad loans to risky creditors ended up affecting a company like GE which we had to bailout.

and I haven't even got to his greatest failure.

Derivatives. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/business/economy/09greenspan.html?ref=thereckoning)

If the housing bubble was the fuse, derivatives were the bomb, especially credit default swaps. When you think of the explosion in 2008, it wasn't a single event. It was a chain reaction that lasted into 2009.

The housing bubble lights the fuse, Wall Street rushes into buying and then reselling subprime mortgage, in fact selling so much of them, the subprime companies have to drop their loan standards or else there would be no products to sell to wall street. The fuse is a small flame until it hits the explosives...BOOM goes Bear Stearns, BOOM goes Lehman, BOOM goes AIG, now the explosion is big enough that the shadow banking system is on fire and when there fire company arrives they have to hose down not only these companies, but GE, Harley Davidson, Verizon, GM, etc.

Greenspan was a big fan of derivatives and argued against regulating them.

[QUOTE]For more than a decade, the former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has fiercely objected whenever derivatives have come under scrutiny in Congress or on Wall Street.

[KevinNYC]

There was a single guy on Wall Street who lost $9 billion dollars all by himself trading derivatives and almost nobody knows this guys name.

[KevinNYC]

And then this month some guy at JP Morgan tried to break his record.

They just announced losses of $2 billion. What caused these losses? Derivatives. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-11/jpmorgan-loses-2-billion-as-mistakes-trounce-hedges.html)

Synthetic credit products are derivatives that generate gains and losses tied to credit performance without the owner buying or selling actual debt. JPMorgan used the instruments to hedge exposure on loans and other credit risks to corporations, banks and sovereign governments. The losses emerged after the firm tried to reduce that position and unwind the portfolio, Dimon said.

They are going to get slaughtered today and that $2 billion dollar figure could grow.

[flipogb]

f JP Morgan, that bank is ran by monkeys in suits. being dis-organized is a big problem for them, im not surprised they would make an error.

[Celtics4ever]

OOooooh (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/themes/greenspan.html), ooooh, teacher, (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/17/george-bush-alan-greenspan) please.Pick me (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/fed/2004-02-23-greenspan-debt_x.htm)

There was no single person responsible for the financial crisis, but Alan Greenspan was near the top of the list for most responsible. Some examples of his malfeasance are

He kept interest rates very, very low for a long time which fueled both easy money mortgage lending and the increase in home prices.

He did not keep his eye on inflation in asset prices (if he did he could have cooled off the housing market by raising interest rates.)

He praised subprime lending as a financial innovation that was beneficial to the country.

He praised Adjustable Rate Mortgages at a time when interest rates were unbelievably low. Anyone who has looked at the Financial Crisis knows how much damage ARMs caused once the very low teaser rates expired. Banks and especially subprime lenders loved these because when the low rates expired, the consumer would come back to to refinance and the subprime company would rack up more fees on the refi.

He absolutely failed as a regulator which is part of the mandate of the Fed. He was a bank regulator. He basically didn't believe in regulation and assumed that private companies could regulate themselves. The financial meltdown absolutely blew this idea to pieces as risk management in company after company on Wall Street was shown to be a joke.

He also failed to manage the shadow banking system. If you don't know that is, then you probably don't understand how bad loans to risky creditors ended up affecting a company like GE which we had to bailout.

and I haven't even got to his greatest failure.

Derivatives. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/business/economy/09greenspan.html?ref=thereckoning)

If the housing bubble was the fuse, derivatives were the bomb, especially credit default swaps. When you think of the explosion in 2008, it wasn't a single event. It was a chain reaction that lasted into 2009.

The housing bubble lights the fuse, Wall Street rushes into buying and then reselling subprime mortgage, in fact selling so much of them, the subprime companies have to drop their loan standards or else there would be no products to sell to wall street. The fuse is a small flame until it hits the explosives...BOOM goes Bear Stearns, BOOM goes Lehman, BOOM goes AIG, now the explosion is big enough that the shadow banking system is on fire and when there fire company arrives they have to hose down not only these companies, but GE, Harley Davidson, Verizon, GM, etc.

Greenspan was a big fan of derivatives and argued against regulating them.

I'm sure the Feds didn't know what was going on. Keep telling yourself that.

[Godzuki]

man some of you are so retarded with these conspiracy theories pretending they pull strings of the Presidents of our country, let alone our economy as a whole, or even this stupidity about how N.Korea, Iran, etc. are so misunderstood :facepalm f'in retards that must read deep internet blogs by other schizophrenic idiots :facepalm

if you want to say they might donate tons of money to get someone elected or get something done in their favor thats one thing, but to think they run countries and pull all of the strings, and how Presidents bow down to them, is so dumb its unbelievable how f'in dumb some of you are :mad: ughh some of the shit i just read in this thread just makes me facepalm at the stupidity of the internet schizo's....

[Godzuki]

There was a single guy on Wall Street who lost $9 billion dollars all by himself trading derivatives and almost nobody knows this guys name.

i just read and commented on that on CNN. its funny how we have financial reform and place laws on them so they can't make massive risky investments and it doesn't change anything. it kills me how they're playing those gambles with the publics money too, thats really the bottom line to so much of the corruption and lack of morals where they're just in it for themselves. its just a broken system where they can have conflicts of interest between making money for their shareholders vs themselves. and Wall Street is made up of some of the greediest aholes in our country...i mean how is a system set up like that supposed to work without major corruption? it can't...

news these days makes me so mad :mad: ...like the charities bamboozling all of the idiot old people throwing money at them but having no clue where its going. and its ridiculous they've had numerous articles on it, even CNN investigation where the charity isn't cooperating, and no sign of law enforcement or government agency doing shit. its ridiculous :mad:

[KevinNYC]

i just read and commented on that on CNN.

The $9 billion loss was in 2008. The $2 billion dollar loss just came out this month.

[6JamesIsKing]

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/thumbs/South-Park-Season-15-Episode-1-HUMANCENTiPAD.jpg
Pictured from left to right: America, Jews, Rockafeller, The rest of us.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[BGriffin's Dad]

man some of you are so retarded with these conspiracy theories pretending they pull strings of the Presidents of our country, let alone our economy as a whole, or even this stupidity about how N.Korea, Iran, etc. are so misunderstood :facepalm f'in retards that must read deep internet blogs by other schizophrenic idiots :facepalm

if you want to say they might donate tons of money to get someone elected or get something done in their favor thats one thing, but to think they run countries and pull all of the strings, and how Presidents bow down to them, is so dumb its unbelievable how f'in dumb some of you are :mad: ughh some of the shit i just read in this thread just makes me facepalm at the stupidity of the internet schizo's....

i agree with Godzuki here... these conspiracy theorists are batshit and dont even know it

[Celtics4ever]

i agree with Godzuki here... these conspiracy theorists are batshit and dont even know it

I don't know why you idiots think that the Rothschilds being the richest and most powerful family in the world is a conspiracy theory.

[JohnnyWall]

I don't know why you idiots think that the Rothschilds being the richest and most powerful family in the world is a conspiracy theory.

You're not just saying that they're rich and powerful. You're alleging that this family owns and controls the Federal Reserve, not to mention the central banking systems of every other developed country but three. That's not rational.

The Rothschilds have money, and they have influence. But they're not sitting there behind the curtains of all the federal banking systems pulling all of the strings like some omnipotent puppeteer.

[BGriffin's Dad]

I don't know why you idiots think that the Rothschilds being the richest and most powerful family in the world is a conspiracy theory.
^ see what i mean about not being aware of how crazy they are? :oldlol:

[Celtics4ever]

You're not just saying that they're rich and powerful. You're alleging that this family owns and controls the Federal Reserve, not to mention the central banking systems of every other developed country but three. That's not rational.

The Rothschilds have money, and they have influence. But they're not sitting there behind the curtains of all the federal banking systems pulling all of the strings like some omnipotent puppeteer.

They run the federal banking system in all those countries. What makes your argument true?

[JohnnyWall]

They run the federal banking system in all those countries. What makes your argument true?

They don't run the federal banking systems in all those countries. What makes your argument true?

[JohnnyWall]

I'm going hypothesize that Mark Zuckerberg controls the internet. Every part of it. Every single website is under his control. He has money and I think he's Jewish.

Prove me wrong.

[Celtics4ever]

You're not just saying that they're rich and powerful. You're alleging that this family owns and controls the Federal Reserve, not to mention the central banking systems of every other developed country but three. That's not rational.

The Rothschilds have money, and they have influence. But they're not sitting there behind the curtains of all the federal banking systems pulling all of the strings like some omnipotent puppeteer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

Another essential part of Mayer Rothschild's strategy for future success was to keep control of their banks in family hands, allowing them to maintain full secrecy about the size of their fortunes. About 1906, the Jewish Encyclopedia noted: "The practice initiated by the Rothschilds of having several brothers of a firm establish branches in the different financial centers was followed by other Jewish financiers, like the Bischoffsheims, Pereires, Seligmans, Lazards, and others, and these financiers by their integrity and financial skill obtained credit not alone with their Jewish confr

[Celtics4ever]

I'm going hypothesize that Mark Zuckerberg controls the internet. Every part of it. Every single website is under his control. He has money and I think he's Jewish.

Prove me wrong.

Some researchers are pointing out that Iran is one of only three countries left in the world whose central bank is not under Rothschild control. Before 9-11 there were reportedly seven: Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. By 2003, however, Afghanistan and Iraq were swallowed up by the Rothschild octopus, and by 2011 Sudan and Libya were also gone. In Libya, a Rothschild bank was established in Benghazi while the country was still at war.

[JohnnyWall]

Some researchers are pointing out that Iran is one of only three countries left in the world whose central bank is not under Rothschild control. Before 9-11 there were reportedly seven: Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. By 2003, however, Afghanistan and Iraq were swallowed up by the Rothschild octopus, and by 2011 Sudan and Libya were also gone. In Libya, a Rothschild bank was established in Benghazi while the country was still at war.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/sabretron/Riveting_tale_chap.jpg

[BGriffin's Dad]

i knew the OP was mental as soon as he started denying that CP3 is a top pg in the league :lol

[Rasheed1]

Celtic4ever wins that round... the other 2 idiots arent even on topic anymore...The one guy has even changed the subject to chris paul...

c'mon guys... get off the stage..

NEXT!!!

:oldlol:

[JohnnyWall]

Celtic4ever wins that round... the other 2 idiots arent even on topic anymore...The one guy has even changed the subject to chris paul...

c'mon guys... get off the stage..

NEXT!!!

:oldlol:

Well, there's only so much logical conversation to be had with conspiracy theorists. It inevitably degrades.

It's like asking a religious person to prove that god exists. He'll turn around and say, "Prove he doesn't!" Goes nowhere.

[Celtics4ever]

Well, there's only so much logical conversation to be had with conspiracy theorists. It inevitably degrades.

It's like asking a religious person to prove that god exists. He'll turn around and say, "Prove he doesn't!" Goes nowhere.

Then why don't you prove that the Rothschild family doesn't control the central banks of the world? And I don't even know why you keep bringing the Jewish religion into this, the religion part is obviously bothering you, maybe you are jewish? But this has nothing to do with religion. I have mentioned that numerous times.

[JohnnyWall]

Then why don't you prove that the Rothschild family doesn't control the central banks of the world?

What did I just say in my post above? :lol


And I don't even know why you keep bringing the Jewish religion into this, the religion part is obviously bothering you, maybe you are jewish? But this has nothing to do with religion. I have mentioned that numerous times.

No, I'm pretty you were the one going through the Fed members, listing which ones were Jewish. The "Rothschild Connection" conspiracy theory is very anti-Semitic at its core, like I said before. I'm just pointing that out.

[Celtics4ever]

What did I just say in my post above? :lol



No, I'm pretty you were the one going through the Fed members, listing which ones were Jewish. The "Rothschild Connection" conspiracy theory is very anti-Semitic at its core, like I said before. I'm just pointing that out.

The reason I posted that list of all the members being Jewish was to provide support for my argument. If the bank was controlled by a christian family, they would probably appoint all christian members as well. Thats how things work. Nothing wrong with that.

[iamgine]

I think the burden of proof falls with the OP.

Or else this will just be another conspiracy theory.

[Celtics4ever]

OK... but wait, but what about the religion of the Rockefellers?

And should their religion be mentioned each time their actions are reviewed?

I found this out:

A book overlooked by most people and published for sale mainly within the Jewish community states that the Rockefellers are Jews of Sephardic descent (meaning Spanish and Portuguese Jews). The book is entitled “The Grandees – America’s Sephardic Elite.” The author is Stephen Birmingham, who is recognized by the Jewish community as an expert on Jewish history.

The publisher of “The Grandees” is the Jewish owned publishing firm of “Harper and Row” of New York City. Mr. Birmingham also wrote the book “Our Crowd” about the family background of America’s wealthiest and most successful Jews. Both books have been hailed by Jewish publications as first class works in the documentation of Jewish history.
http://books.google.com/books?id=q2lCAAAAIAAJ&dq=The+Grandees&q=Rockefeller&pgis=1

[brantonli]

Um, gotta point out a key fact: While the Federal Reserve makes a shitload of profit (I believe in one year, they made over $52 billion) they also have to turn every single penny of that profit over to the Treasury department.

So are you now saying the Rothschilds also control the Treasury?

[BGriffin's Dad]

Um, gotta point out a key fact: While the Federal Reserve makes a shitload of profit (I believe in one year, they made over $52 billion) they also have to turn every single penny of that profit over to the Treasury department.

So are you now saying the Rothschilds also control the Treasury?

they also built the white house, own all gov. property, own the NYSE and NASDAQ, own Fort Knox and all the shit inside of it, and they have the FBI/CIA/DEA/ATF in their back pockets.

:lol

[Celtics4ever]

Um, gotta point out a key fact: While the Federal Reserve makes a shitload of profit (I believe in one year, they made over $52 billion) they also have to turn every single penny of that profit over to the Treasury department.

So are you now saying the Rothschilds also control the Treasury?

Yes, they have to, but how do you know they return it all to the Treasury? There is a reason why the Feds don't allow the government to audit them. The are obviously hiding something.

[Celtics4ever]

they also built the white house, own all gov. property, own the NYSE and NASDAQ, own Fort Knox and all the shit inside of it, and they have the FBI/CIA/DEA/ATF in their back pockets.

:lol

You're an idiot. You have provided no legit opposing argument. You prefer to say stupid things and bring religion into everything. Just stop posting if you don't have anything meaningful to say on this discussion.