Will Lebron James Legacy Be Tarnished if He Fails to Win a Ring This Year?

[BallsOut]

Lebron is playing with two other superstar players, and on, arguably, the most top heavy-stacked team in league history. Let's recall that a team with 3 superstar players is unprecedented in league history. Not to mention he's had the luxury of going against inferior competition in the Eastern conference with all the injuries that have occurred to key players/superstars in the playoffs this year.

Will Lebron's 3 regular season MVPs alone justify him being a top 20 player when it's all said and done? Or will his legacy be forever tarnished if he fails to win it all this year when his team has been so heavily favored for the last two seasons and particularly now when all of the pieces have so easily fallen into place for Miami?

Discuss.

[Bladers]

I remember some dude working at the car wash telling me LeBron is the greatest of all-time. When I mentioned that he has yet to win a championship, the suds jockey informed me that “It don’t matter since he’s gonna get 8-9 championships, that’s why he’s better than Kobe and Jordan. LeBron’s the greatest, period.”

Needless to say, I was confused – championships don’t matter, but future championships do? After realizing exactly who I was talking to I decided to double check the job on my car. It was a really good job, but not great. I did not tip him, which is atypical for me. When he asked about gratuity, I told him that future tips are what make him the best at his job and drove off. I’m pretty sure he didn’t like that very much…

[itsGameTime]

I have thought about this since Howard went down. The writing is literally on the wall for the Heat. They have absolutely no excuse to not win the title this season. If Lebron plays like he did last season and it costs the Heat the title again, there's no way he's touching my top 15 no matter how many regular season MVPs he gets. I've seen him bring me to the edge of my seat so many times but end up choking it away when it matters most.

[EnoughSaid]

He's already top 20 no question. Dude has broken so many records, has 3 MVP's, and if he keeps his stats up and ages nicely, he'll be Top 5 in scoring. So in my opinion, getting the rings and the Finals MVP's will just propel him into the Top 10.

[plUto or bUst]

No. He is young enough that he will have plenty more chances at rings.

[BallsOut]

[QUOTE=Bladers]I remember some dude working at the car wash telling me LeBron is the greatest of all-time. When I mentioned that he has yet to win a championship, the suds jockey informed me that

[SunsCaptain]

[QUOTE=Bladers]I remember some dude working at the car wash telling me LeBron is the greatest of all-time. When I mentioned that he has yet to win a championship, the suds jockey informed me that

[west_tip]

I have thought about this since Howard went down. The writing is literally on the wall for the Heat. They have absolutely no excuse to not win the title this season.

The Spurs or Thunder will certainly not be a walk in the park but I agree with the central thrust of your post. If LBJ does not win in this, his 9th season then when will he? Anything other than a Heat championship is unthinkable for LBJ now. He has the stats, the regular season accolades now he needs rings.

[SunsCaptain]

:oldlol: Don't do em like that Bladers

Oh ballsout likes the joke, care to explain the logic behind it?

[Maniak]

I remember some dude working at the car wash telling me LeBron is the greatest of all-time. When I mentioned that he has yet to win a championship, the suds jockey informed me that “It don’t matter since he’s gonna get 8-9 championships, that’s why he’s better than Kobe and Jordan. LeBron’s the greatest, period.”

Needless to say, I was confused – championships don’t matter, but future championships do? After realizing exactly who I was talking to I decided to double check the job on my car. It was a really good job, but not great. I did not tip him, which is atypical for me. When he asked about gratuity, I told him that future tips are what make him the best at his job and drove off. I’m pretty sure he didn’t like that very much…
Oddly enough you seem too socially awkward to ever do anything in public besides mumble and blend in.

[ralph_i_el]

Lebron is playing with two other superstar players, and on, arguably, the most top heavy-stacked team in league history. Let's recall that a team with 3 superstar players is unprecedented in league history. Not to mention he's had the luxury of going against inferior competition in the Eastern conference with all the injuries that have occurred to key players/superstars in the playoffs this year.

Will Lebron's 3 regular season MVPs alone justify him being a top 20 player when it's all said and done? Or will his legacy be forever tarnished if he fails to win it all this year when his team has been so heavily favored for the last two seasons and particularly now when all of the pieces have so easily fallen into place for Miami?

Discuss.

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Lebron will kill himself if he dosen't win the finals :cry: :facepalm :cry:

[O_City_Thunder]

[QUOTE=Bladers]I remember some dude working at the car wash telling me LeBron is the greatest of all-time. When I mentioned that he has yet to win a championship, the suds jockey informed me that

[BallsOut]

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Lebron will kill himself if he dosen't win the finals :cry: :facepalm :cry:

Let me rephrase. A team with 3 superstar players, all in their primes, is unprecedented in this league. Now remake your list, if its empty, save yourself the embarassment and don't bother replying. :confusedshrug:

[SunsCaptain]

[QUOTE=Bladers]I remember some dude working at the car wash telling me LeBron is the greatest of all-time. When I mentioned that he has yet to win a championship, the suds jockey informed me that

[pauk]

Haha, why so? As long as he performs as he is supposed to then there is really nothing to be "tarnished" about...

As far as winning a championship? This is not the act of one man...... Basketball is a team game and a Championship is the biggest team accomplishment there is... the best team will win, not the best player.... has never happened and never will, a championship may had sometimes the best player in it, but he won because his team was the best, not because HE was the best...

What bothered me and most reasonable fans last finals with Lebron for example is that he didnt perform up to his standards, i couldnt give less of a *beep* if he didnt win a championship... He should perform up to his standards... thats the whole point... thats what he was criticized for... NOT for not winning a damn championship...

You can control how YOU play.... but the rest is completely out of your hands...........

I mean you cant control how your teammates play, you cant make them shut down the man they are defending nor can you make them hit all their shots and have all of the sudden a super offensive arsenal.... well you can create some easy looks for them (like Lebron does for example) but its up to them to hit those shots aswell...

This is not NBA 2k12 for PS3 where with one control you can control all players...

[BallsOut]

Haha, why so? As long as he performs as he is supposed to then there is really nothing to be "tarnished" about...

What bothered me and most reasonable fans last finals with Lebron for example is that he didnt perform up to his standards, i couldnt give less of a *beep* if he didnt win a championship... He should perform up to his standards... thats the whole point...

As far as winning a championship? This is not the act of one man...... Basketball is a team game and a Championship is the biggest team accomplishment there is... the best team will win, not the best player.... has never happened and never will...

You can control how YOU play.... but the rest is completely out of your hands...........

I mean you cant control how your teammates play, you cant make them shut down the man they are defending nor can you make them hit all their shots and have all of the sudden a super offensive arsenal.... well you can create some easy looks for them (like Lebron does for example) but its up to them to hit those shots aswell...

This is not NBA 2k12 for PS3 where with one control you can control all players...

:biggums: I'm sure Lebron had no control over his 3rd best on team, 17ppg in the finals last season. :facepalm

[ralph_i_el]

Let me rephrase. A team with 3 superstar players, all in their primes, is unprecedented in this league. Now remake your list, if its empty, save yourself the embarassment and don't bother replying. :confusedshrug:

this is sure looking like wade and bosh's primes! :roll:

[BallsOut]

this is sure looking like wade and bosh's primes! :roll:

Agreed, it sure is :cheers:

[Collie]

I'd vote no. Maybe a bit, but the GOAT ship has left a while back, so he's looking firmly at the top 10. A championship loss this year won't remove him from a top 10 discussion. No ring whatsoever might though.

[DMAVS41]

Will not be a good look for Lebron to lose again with the best team in the league in his prime.

Tarnish? No. Hurt? Yep.

[pauk]

:biggums: I'm sure Lebron had no control over his 3rd best on team, 17ppg in the finals last season. :facepalm

18 ppg actually (not like it makes it any better but this is more accurate) and he had control but with that control he made bad decisions to how he was gona approach these series...

The result of 18 ppg was NOT because he shot bad or something, he shot actually 48% FG in that series.... but because he made the bad decisions of:

-Being passive
-Takin way to little FG attempts
-Defering to Wade way to much.... Wade had it going and Heat were doing pretty good actually, but thats still no excuse, because when they needed Lebron in the clutch he was not able to deliver because he never developed an offensive rythm from being so passive.....

...and thats what annoyed me like hell..... what i saw in that finals was NOT Lebron.... that was the first time in Lebrons life he ever played with such a player afterall so i understood there would be some alpha dog confusions.... i mean if he didnt have Wade in that finals Lebron would be chucking like hell... even if he would shoot only 30-40% fg he would still had ~30 ppg with the amount of shots he would be taking..... but in that series he was really not needed to be agressive scoring wise, Wade had it going and Heat were doing fine until the 4th quarter... so there he is without offensive rythm all of the sudden trying to hit clutch shots... it doesnt work like that...

They really did not gel in that series...

I know he learned from this... it wont happen ever again... especially not now when Wade has verbally said he is taking a backseat to Lebron and said that Lebron is their leader and so on...

[BallsOut]

Will not be a good look for Lebron to lose again with the best team in the league in his prime.

Tarnish? No. Hurt? Yep.

:biggums: You do realize those two words have close meanings right? Tarnish legacy, hurt legacy, etc. all the same to me no need to debate about the semantics.

[coin24]

Bladers:lol :lol

I love how lebron Stans use future accomplishments in arguments...Retards:facepalm



Pauk/suns captain... You sad sad bastard.. Agreeing with yourself..

[Ancient Legend]

Lebron is playing with two other superstar players

Discuss.


Chris Bosh has never been a superstar. And Wade hasn't played like one consistently this season. Still LeBron has to win it all this year, simply because they've now had a year to gel, that was the only excuse they had in losing to the Mavs.

[SunsCaptain]

Bladers:lol :lol


:oldlol: Don't do em like that Bladers

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w104/Samanthav_03/Suns/cool.jpg


Cool Story Bro....

[talkingconch]

this is sure looking like wade and bosh's primes! :roll:
lmao and the excuses are ALREADY rolling in!

[The_Yearning]

Chris Bosh has never been a superstar. And Wade hasn't played like one consistently this season. Still LeBron has to win it all this year, simply because they've now had a year to gel, that was the only excuse they had in losing to the Mavs.

Chris Bosh two seasons ago before LBJ got there:

24 and 10

Dwyane Wade two seasons ago before LBJ got there:

26/5/5 and 30/5/7/2/1 the season before that.

[ralph_i_el]

lmao and the excuses are ALREADY rolling in!

I'm a wizards fan and genuinely dislike lebron and the heat. Bosh is overrated and wade is declining. It doesn't help that their team doesn't really fit together all that well at all

[talkingconch]

I'm a wizards fan and genuinely dislike lebron and the heat. Bosh is overrated and wade is declining. It doesn't help that their team doesn't really fit together all that well at all
That wasnt the case when they assembled 2 years ago though.

[talkingconch]

i just realized ISH is set to crash either way.

Either Lebron wins his first championship, or him and the Heat are sent packin again (a sports disaster)

[SunsCaptain]

That wasnt the case when they assembled 2 years ago though.

Well ok now that you are in this situation....

Should a team think they are good? Yes.

Should the fans of said team think they are good? Yes.

Do you think they are good?

Answer the question honestly.

[ralph_i_el]

That wasnt the case when they assembled 2 years ago though.

That wade was declining or bosh was overrated?

I hope you aren't saying that I didn't hate Lebron till 2 years ago. I've had my beef since 05/06

[NumberSix]

bladers

[LeFraud James]

What legacy? :oldlol:

He can't get his shit together when it counts, and people want to write him off as one of the greatest to ever play the game.

I'll remember these days when he's a journeyman going from team to team in the latter part of his career trying to win a ring.

[SunsCaptain]

What legacy? :oldlol:

He can't get his shit together when it counts, and people want to write him off as one of the greatest to ever play the game.

I'll remember these days when he's a journeyman going from team to team in the latter part of his career trying to win a ring.

This year in the 4th Kobe is 9-24 38% and with under 3 minutes in the 4th he is 2-7 29%

How about we look at Kobes 4th quarter last year?

Kobe shot 12-39 31% in the 4th and 3-18 with less then 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter! 3-18!!!!!!!!!!!bahahahahaha oh kobe u suckkkk.

THATS 17%!

IN 10'

Kobe clutch master Bryant shot 37% in the 4th....

HE SHOT 29% IN THE 4TH AGAINST BOSTON 12-41

In 07' Kobe shot 10-34 29% in the 4th and 3-9 with less than 3 minutes remaining...... omgggg Kobe please practice or something.

In 06' Kobe shot 16-43 in the 4th for 37% and 4-14 29% when under 3 minutes.....

In 04' Kobe shot 46-126 37% in the 4th and with less then 3 minutes in the 4th he shot a misserable 10-38 26%.




Last year against dallas LeBron was 7-21 in the 4th 33% and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

Kobe last year against dallas was 6-19 32% and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes in the 4th.

Oh and Kobe got swept by Dallas in the 2nd round.

Interesting when talking about clutch stats last year aye?

And when you dig through Kobes whole history it is just hilarious what you find.

Oh and just for a bonus Kobe last year vs the hornets was 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 with under 3 minutes....11%




MARGIN LESS THaN 5 in 4TH Q

Kobe combined between NO and dallas shot 1-6 last year with 5 or fewer points in the 4th with less than 3 minutes.

Kobe was straight up 0-6 against NO in the 4th.

Kobe shot 4-15 28% within 5 or fewer points against boston in 10'

He was 1-5 under 3 minutes with the same margin.

Against orlando in 09 he was 6-19 32% and 2-8 under 3 minutes.

in 06 Kobe was 7-25 28% under 3 minutes he was 3-11 27%



This year?

This year Kobe is 2-7 29%and 0-2 under 3 minutes.

[SunsCaptain]

Lets recap 04-08?

04' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.
05' missed the playoffs.
06' first round exit
07' first round exit.
08' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.

Kobe steps up big.

[SunsCaptain]

Dont ever post something if you fear getting shit shoved back up your assh0le.

[LeFraud James]

This year in the 4th Kobe is 9-24 38% and with under 3 minutes in the 4th he is 2-7 29%

How about we look at Kobes 4th quarter last year?

Kobe shot 12-39 31% in the 4th and 3-18 with less then 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter! 3-18!!!!!!!!!!!bahahahahaha oh kobe u suckkkk.

THATS 17%!

IN 10'

Kobe clutch master Bryant shot 37% in the 4th....

HE SHOT 29% IN THE 4TH AGAINST BOSTON 12-41

In 07' Kobe shot 10-34 29% in the 4th and 3-9 with less than 3 minutes remaining...... omgggg Kobe please practice or something.

In 06' Kobe shot 16-43 in the 4th for 37% and 4-14 29% when under 3 minutes.....

In 04' Kobe shot 46-126 37% in the 4th and with less then 3 minutes in the 4th he shot a misserable 10-38 26%.




Last year against dallas LeBron was 7-21 in the 4th 33% and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

Kobe last year against dallas was 6-19 32% and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes in the 4th.

Oh and Kobe got swept by Dallas in the 2nd round.

Interesting when talking about clutch stats last year aye?

And when you dig through Kobes whole history it is just hilarious what you find.

Oh and just for a bonus Kobe last year vs the hornets was 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 with under 3 minutes....11%




MARGIN LESS THaN 5 in 4TH Q

Kobe combined between NO and dallas shot 1-6 last year with 5 or fewer points in the 4th with less than 3 minutes.

Kobe was straight up 0-6 against NO in the 4th.

Kobe shot 4-15 28% within 5 or fewer points against boston in 10'

He was 1-5 under 3 minutes with the same margin.

Against orlando in 09 he was 6-19 32% and 2-8 under 3 minutes.

in 06 Kobe was 7-25 28% under 3 minutes he was 3-11 27%



This year?

This year Kobe is 2-7 29%and 0-2 under 3 minutes.

Who said anything about Kobe? :roll:

[LeFraud James]

Dont ever post something if you fear getting shit shoved back up your assh0le.

No one is afraid of anything.

One is a proven Final performer while the other.....you know.

[SunsCaptain]

Who said anything about Kobe? :roll:

You mentioned not getting your shit together when it counted so i figured It would be relevant to bring up the biggest choker of all-time.

This has nothing to do with LBJ or Kobe.

Im jus ta big fan of choking....


=p

[LeFraud James]

You mentioned not getting your shit together when it counted so i figured It would be relevant to bring up the biggest choker of all-time.

This has nothing to do with LBJ or Kobe.

Im jus ta big fan of choking....


=p

Figures.

You're a Suns fan.

[SunsCaptain]

No one is afraid of anything.

One is a proven Final performer while the other.....you know.

you can try to backtrack and backpedal all you want but you have alrdy brought the shitstorm and i am in the proccess of shoving stats up your poop alley.

This thread has been tarnished. those who dare enter face Kobe stats.... take with a grain of salt.

This year in the 4th Kobe is 9-24 38% and with under 3 minutes in the 4th he is 2-7 29%

How about we look at Kobes 4th quarter last year?

Kobe shot 12-39 31% in the 4th and 3-18 with less then 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter! 3-18!!!!!!!!!!!bahahahahaha oh kobe u suckkkk.

THATS 17%!

IN 10'

Kobe clutch master Bryant shot 37% in the 4th....

HE SHOT 29% IN THE 4TH AGAINST BOSTON 12-41

In 07' Kobe shot 10-34 29% in the 4th and 3-9 with less than 3 minutes remaining...... omgggg Kobe please practice or something.

In 06' Kobe shot 16-43 in the 4th for 37% and 4-14 29% when under 3 minutes.....

In 04' Kobe shot 46-126 37% in the 4th and with less then 3 minutes in the 4th he shot a misserable 10-38 26%.




Last year against dallas LeBron was 7-21 in the 4th 33% and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

Kobe last year against dallas was 6-19 32% and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes in the 4th.

Oh and Kobe got swept by Dallas in the 2nd round.

Interesting when talking about clutch stats last year aye?

And when you dig through Kobes whole history it is just hilarious what you find.

Oh and just for a bonus Kobe last year vs the hornets was 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 with under 3 minutes....11%




MARGIN LESS THaN 5 in 4TH Q

Kobe combined between NO and dallas shot 1-6 last year with 5 or fewer points in the 4th with less than 3 minutes.

Kobe was straight up 0-6 against NO in the 4th.

Kobe shot 4-15 28% within 5 or fewer points against boston in 10'

He was 1-5 under 3 minutes with the same margin.

Against orlando in 09 he was 6-19 32% and 2-8 under 3 minutes.

in 06 Kobe was 7-25 28% under 3 minutes he was 3-11 27%



This year?

This year Kobe is 2-7 29%and 0-2 under 3 minutes.

Lets recap 04-08?

04' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.
05' missed the playoffs.
06' first round exit
07' first round exit.
08' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.

Kobe steps up big.

[BallsOut]

pauk aka SunsCaptain going pretty hard :lol

Post all the stats you want. I got one stat that matters the most 5-0. 5 rings to 0 rings. :lol

[LeFraud James]

you can try to backtrack and backpedal all you want but you have alrdy brought the shitstorm and i am in the proccess of shoving stats up your poop alley.

This thread has been tarnished. those who dare enter face Kobe stats.... take with a grain of salt.

This year in the 4th Kobe is 9-24 38% and with under 3 minutes in the 4th he is 2-7 29%

How about we look at Kobes 4th quarter last year?

Kobe shot 12-39 31% in the 4th and 3-18 with less then 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter! 3-18!!!!!!!!!!!bahahahahaha oh kobe u suckkkk.

THATS 17%!

IN 10'

Kobe clutch master Bryant shot 37% in the 4th....

HE SHOT 29% IN THE 4TH AGAINST BOSTON 12-41

In 07' Kobe shot 10-34 29% in the 4th and 3-9 with less than 3 minutes remaining...... omgggg Kobe please practice or something.

In 06' Kobe shot 16-43 in the 4th for 37% and 4-14 29% when under 3 minutes.....

In 04' Kobe shot 46-126 37% in the 4th and with less then 3 minutes in the 4th he shot a misserable 10-38 26%.




Last year against dallas LeBron was 7-21 in the 4th 33% and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

Kobe last year against dallas was 6-19 32% and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes in the 4th.

Oh and Kobe got swept by Dallas in the 2nd round.

Interesting when talking about clutch stats last year aye?

And when you dig through Kobes whole history it is just hilarious what you find.

Oh and just for a bonus Kobe last year vs the hornets was 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 with under 3 minutes....11%




MARGIN LESS THaN 5 in 4TH Q

Kobe combined between NO and dallas shot 1-6 last year with 5 or fewer points in the 4th with less than 3 minutes.

Kobe was straight up 0-6 against NO in the 4th.

Kobe shot 4-15 28% within 5 or fewer points against boston in 10'

He was 1-5 under 3 minutes with the same margin.

Against orlando in 09 he was 6-19 32% and 2-8 under 3 minutes.

in 06 Kobe was 7-25 28% under 3 minutes he was 3-11 27%



This year?

This year Kobe is 2-7 29%and 0-2 under 3 minutes.

Lets recap 04-08?

04' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.
05' missed the playoffs.
06' first round exit
07' first round exit.
08' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.

Kobe steps up big.

Too bad no one ever actually reads what you type up.

You know what the worse part is? You probably have all of this typed up waiting for someone to post something about LBJ.

Pathetic.

[SunsCaptain]

Too bad no one ever actually reads what you type up.

You know what the worse part is? You probably have all of this typed up waiting for someone to post something about LBJ.

Pathetic.



you can try to backtrack and backpedal all you want but you have alrdy brought the shitstorm and i am in the proccess of shoving stats up your poop alley.

This thread has been tarnished. those who dare enter face Kobe stats.... take with a grain of salt.

This year in the 4th Kobe is 9-24 38% and with under 3 minutes in the 4th he is 2-7 29%

How about we look at Kobes 4th quarter last year?

Kobe shot 12-39 31% in the 4th and 3-18 with less then 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter! 3-18!!!!!!!!!!!bahahahahaha oh kobe u suckkkk.

THATS 17%!

IN 10'

Kobe clutch master Bryant shot 37% in the 4th....

HE SHOT 29% IN THE 4TH AGAINST BOSTON 12-41

In 07' Kobe shot 10-34 29% in the 4th and 3-9 with less than 3 minutes remaining...... omgggg Kobe please practice or something.

In 06' Kobe shot 16-43 in the 4th for 37% and 4-14 29% when under 3 minutes.....

In 04' Kobe shot 46-126 37% in the 4th and with less then 3 minutes in the 4th he shot a misserable 10-38 26%.




Last year against dallas LeBron was 7-21 in the 4th 33% and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

Kobe last year against dallas was 6-19 32% and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes in the 4th.

Oh and Kobe got swept by Dallas in the 2nd round.

Interesting when talking about clutch stats last year aye?

And when you dig through Kobes whole history it is just hilarious what you find.

Oh and just for a bonus Kobe last year vs the hornets was 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 with under 3 minutes....11%




MARGIN LESS THaN 5 in 4TH Q

Kobe combined between NO and dallas shot 1-6 last year with 5 or fewer points in the 4th with less than 3 minutes.

Kobe was straight up 0-6 against NO in the 4th.

Kobe shot 4-15 28% within 5 or fewer points against boston in 10'

He was 1-5 under 3 minutes with the same margin.

Against orlando in 09 he was 6-19 32% and 2-8 under 3 minutes.

in 06 Kobe was 7-25 28% under 3 minutes he was 3-11 27%



This year?

This year Kobe is 2-7 29%and 0-2 under 3 minutes.

Lets recap 04-08?

04' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.
05' missed the playoffs.
06' first round exit
07' first round exit.
08' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.

Kobe steps up big.

[SunsCaptain]

Too bad no one ever actually reads what you type up.

You know what the worse part is? You probably have all of this typed up waiting for someone to post something about LBJ.

Pathetic.


The worst part is....

they are kobes factual stats...BOO!

:oldlol:

[comerb]

Yes, unless Bosh/Wade get injured.

In Cleveland he didn't have the team. Last year was their first year together in Miami. There are no excuses this year.

Furthermore, he needs to be the MVP of the Finals to fix his reputation caused by the last two years playoff disappearances.

[LeFraud James]

The worst part is....

they are kobes factual stats...BOO!

:oldlol:

I take back what I said.

The worse part is you probably actually believe LeBron is better than Kobe.

[SunsCaptain]

I take back what I said.

The worse part is you probably actually believe LeBron is better than Kobe.

Quoted for life.

:hammerhead:

[LeFraud James]

Quoted for life.

:hammerhead:

You can quote the following as well.

It's not like you'll be around after LeBron fails to win a ring this year, yet again, so here it goes.

LeBron will not win a ring in his prime, with the Miami Heat, or as the first option of a team.

Bookmark it, copy paste, put it on a floppy disk, do what you will. This man is destined for failure.

[SunsCaptain]

You can quote the following as well.

It's not like you'll be around after LeBron fails to win a ring this year, yet again, so here it goes.

LeBron will not win a ring in his prime, with the Miami Heat, or as the first option of a team.

Bookmark it, copy paste, put it on a floppy disk, do what you will. This man is destined for failure.

ok

[LeFraud James]

ok

:lebroncry:

[StateOfMind12]

No, because people will just forget. People said all the time that LeBron's legacy would be tarnished if he were to join Miami yet despite of all that LeBron started receiving GOAT recognition last season.

He has no chance of being the GOAT anymore but he still has a chance of being top 5, top 10, and the greatest SF of all-time though even if he were to fail to win it all this season.

[SunsCaptain]

:lebroncry:

I just did as you asked man...Heres these again too...copy and paste like you requested:

you can try to backtrack and backpedal all you want but you have alrdy brought the shitstorm and i am in the proccess of shoving stats up your poop alley.

This thread has been tarnished. those who dare enter face Kobe stats.... take with a grain of salt.

This year in the 4th Kobe is 9-24 38% and with under 3 minutes in the 4th he is 2-7 29%

How about we look at Kobes 4th quarter last year?

Kobe shot 12-39 31% in the 4th and 3-18 with less then 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter! 3-18!!!!!!!!!!!bahahahahaha oh kobe u suckkkk.

THATS 17%!

IN 10'

Kobe clutch master Bryant shot 37% in the 4th....

HE SHOT 29% IN THE 4TH AGAINST BOSTON 12-41

In 07' Kobe shot 10-34 29% in the 4th and 3-9 with less than 3 minutes remaining...... omgggg Kobe please practice or something.

In 06' Kobe shot 16-43 in the 4th for 37% and 4-14 29% when under 3 minutes.....

In 04' Kobe shot 46-126 37% in the 4th and with less then 3 minutes in the 4th he shot a misserable 10-38 26%.




Last year against dallas LeBron was 7-21 in the 4th 33% and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

Kobe last year against dallas was 6-19 32% and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes in the 4th.

Oh and Kobe got swept by Dallas in the 2nd round.

Interesting when talking about clutch stats last year aye?

And when you dig through Kobes whole history it is just hilarious what you find.

Oh and just for a bonus Kobe last year vs the hornets was 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 with under 3 minutes....11%




MARGIN LESS THaN 5 in 4TH Q

Kobe combined between NO and dallas shot 1-6 last year with 5 or fewer points in the 4th with less than 3 minutes.

Kobe was straight up 0-6 against NO in the 4th.

Kobe shot 4-15 28% within 5 or fewer points against boston in 10'

He was 1-5 under 3 minutes with the same margin.

Against orlando in 09 he was 6-19 32% and 2-8 under 3 minutes.

in 06 Kobe was 7-25 28% under 3 minutes he was 3-11 27%



This year?

This year Kobe is 2-7 29%and 0-2 under 3 minutes.

Lets recap 04-08?

04' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.
05' missed the playoffs.
06' first round exit
07' first round exit.
08' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.

Kobe steps up big.

[LeFraud James]

I just did as you asked man...Heres these again too...copy and paste like you requested:

you can try to backtrack and backpedal all you want but you have alrdy brought the shitstorm and i am in the proccess of shoving stats up your poop alley.

This thread has been tarnished. those who dare enter face Kobe stats.... take with a grain of salt.

This year in the 4th Kobe is 9-24 38% and with under 3 minutes in the 4th he is 2-7 29%

How about we look at Kobes 4th quarter last year?

Kobe shot 12-39 31% in the 4th and 3-18 with less then 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter! 3-18!!!!!!!!!!!bahahahahaha oh kobe u suckkkk.

THATS 17%!

IN 10'

Kobe clutch master Bryant shot 37% in the 4th....

HE SHOT 29% IN THE 4TH AGAINST BOSTON 12-41

In 07' Kobe shot 10-34 29% in the 4th and 3-9 with less than 3 minutes remaining...... omgggg Kobe please practice or something.

In 06' Kobe shot 16-43 in the 4th for 37% and 4-14 29% when under 3 minutes.....

In 04' Kobe shot 46-126 37% in the 4th and with less then 3 minutes in the 4th he shot a misserable 10-38 26%.




Last year against dallas LeBron was 7-21 in the 4th 33% and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

Kobe last year against dallas was 6-19 32% and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes in the 4th.

Oh and Kobe got swept by Dallas in the 2nd round.

Interesting when talking about clutch stats last year aye?

And when you dig through Kobes whole history it is just hilarious what you find.

Oh and just for a bonus Kobe last year vs the hornets was 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 with under 3 minutes....11%




MARGIN LESS THaN 5 in 4TH Q

Kobe combined between NO and dallas shot 1-6 last year with 5 or fewer points in the 4th with less than 3 minutes.

Kobe was straight up 0-6 against NO in the 4th.

Kobe shot 4-15 28% within 5 or fewer points against boston in 10'

He was 1-5 under 3 minutes with the same margin.

Against orlando in 09 he was 6-19 32% and 2-8 under 3 minutes.

in 06 Kobe was 7-25 28% under 3 minutes he was 3-11 27%



This year?

This year Kobe is 2-7 29%and 0-2 under 3 minutes.

Lets recap 04-08?

04' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.
05' missed the playoffs.
06' first round exit
07' first round exit.
08' KOBE bombed in the finals and drove the lakers into the ground with his horrible performance.

Kobe steps up big.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_r1CJDlI4Ixk/STMnx24fIGI/AAAAAAAAABo/nZVtZ2OnKTY/s320/Yawn.gif

[coin24]

Pauk/SunsCaptain with the essay of stats as usual:facepalm


Ill sum it up for you retard... 5>0... Your hero is a choking loser.
Obviously you know Kobe is better, thats why you keep comparing them.

So let Bronzey have his meaningless MVPs and stats.... ZERO RINGS... Shit, he wouldnt even have a gold medal if it wasnt for Godbe at the olympics:lol :lol

[LakersReign]

I don't know which is more hilarious. Watching pauk/sunscaptain, PRETEND to be a Kobe fan in one post, then diss Kobe in the very next post. Or watching him get owned in every thread with both accounts. Pretty much multiplying the a**whoopin':roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Just gotta love good 'ol ret**ded Lebronyte logic. Kobe's legacy is supposedly tarnished by winning 5 titles, and not a 6th. But Lebron's isn't, simply cuz he hasn't yet won all those multiple titles he's supposed to win. Keeping in mind, Lebron's already been in the NBA for almost a decade now. Hilarious:lol

[SunsCaptain]

Kobe fans hate Kobe stats?

<3 it.

[coin24]

Kobe fans hate Kobe stats?

<3 it.



5>0:rockon:


Why hate on Kobe? Its not his fault Lebron sucks:oldlol:

[BallsOut]

Kobe steps up big.

Agreed he does step up big, unlike Lebron in the finals. :cheers:

[gilalizard]

His legacy already is tarnished. His epic fail job in last years finals while on the most stacked team in the league is one-of-a-kind.

Anything this Heat team "win" isn't worthy of respect. They're so stacked and get so much ref favoritism it's too easy for them.

Plus he flops like a world-class bitch. Can't respect someone who is so talented and flops like such a bitch.

[D.J.]

His legacy has already been tarnished in a way after the Decision on ESPN. The only other top player that went this long before winning a title was Olajuwon. LeBron has no excuse not to win this year. Chicago is out and they have home court throughout the playoffs as long as they don't play the Spurs or Thunder. He's already in his 9th season and still no titles. If he goes into season 10 with no titles and Miami is 0 for 2 with their trio, there will be changes in Miami. LeBron can't afford another piss poor Finals performance.

[I.R.Beast]

Haha, why so? As long as he performs as he is supposed to then there is really nothing to be "tarnished" about...

As far as winning a championship? This is not the act of one man...... Basketball is a team game and a Championship is the biggest team accomplishment there is... the best team will win, not the best player.... has never happened and never will, a championship may had sometimes the best player in it, but he won because his team was the best, not because HE was the best...

What bothered me and most reasonable fans last finals with Lebron for example is that he didnt perform up to his standards, i couldnt give less of a *beep* if he didnt win a championship... He should perform up to his standards... thats the whole point... thats what he was criticized for... NOT for not winning a damn championship...

You can control how YOU play.... but the rest is completely out of your hands...........

I mean you cant control how your teammates play, you cant make them shut down the man they are defending nor can you make them hit all their shots and have all of the sudden a super offensive arsenal.... well you can create some easy looks for them (like Lebron does for example) but its up to them to hit those shots aswell...

This is not NBA 2k12 for PS3 where with one control you can control all players...


Shut up you will be the main one using rings as your Argument over KD if James wins a ring. Just shut up. I despise hypocrites. if winning rings don't matter then why do u want him to have one so badly. He might as well just pad stats the rest of his career and post great numbers then?

[LeFraud James]

His legacy already is tarnished. His epic fail job in last years finals while on the most stacked team in the league is one-of-a-kind.

Anything this Heat team "win" isn't worthy of respect. They're so stacked and get so much ref favoritism it's too easy for them.

Plus he flops like a world-class bitch. Can't respect someone who is so talented and flops like such a bitch.

Not to mention all the injuries to the other contenders in the East. If they fail to win it all this year, it would be downright pathetic.

I can already see the excuses.

"Miami lost because they had their foot off the pedal in the first 3 rounds of the playoff. They lost to *insert WCF winner here* because they didn't play any healthy East teams and weren't able to turn it on when it mattered."

[LA_Showtime]

Not to mention all the injuries to the other contenders in the East. If they fail to win it all this year, it would be downright pathetic.

I can already see the excuses.

"Miami lost because they had their foot off the pedal in the first 3 rounds of the playoff. They lost to *insert WCF winner here* because they didn't play any healthy East teams and weren't able to turn it on when it mattered."

Only teams I could realistically see beating the Heat are the Spurs and Thunder. I would actually favor the Spurs, simply because they've been there and done that and would probably control the tempo. The Thunder have the talent to do it, but really that would be a toss-up.

[bwink23]

His legacy already is tarnished. His epic fail job in last years finals while on the most stacked team in the league is one-of-a-kind.

Anything this Heat team "win" isn't worthy of respect. They're so stacked and get so much ref favoritism it's too easy for them.

Plus he flops like a world-class bitch. Can't respect someone who is so talented and flops like such a bitch.

What exactly makes the Miami Heat stacked??? :rolleyes:

[All Net]

Only teams I could realistically see beating the Heat are the Spurs and Thunder. I would actually favor the Spurs, simply because they've been there and done that and would probably control the tempo. The Thunder have the talent to do it, but really that would be a toss-up.

Honestly think spurs will be the best possible match-up for Miami. Thunder are the only team who I see beating Miami in the west.

[D.J.]

Truthfully, it's not far fetched for Boston to have a shot at beating Miami either.

[BallsOut]

What exactly makes the Miami Heat stacked??? :rolleyes:

See the OP. :coleman:

[ImmortalD24]

Honestly think spurs will be the best possible match-up for Miami. Thunder are the only team who I see beating Miami in the west.
People still seem to think the Spurs are somehow defensive juggernauts. They've been an average to below average defensive team ever since Bruce Bowen retired.

I still don't see the Spurs getting past the WCF.. they'll be gassed after a series vs [insert winner of clip/griz series here].

[G-Funk]

It will take a huge hit

[BallsOut]

His legacy has already been tarnished in a way after the Decision on ESPN. The only other top player that went this long before winning a title was Olajuwon. LeBron has no excuse not to win this year. Chicago is out and they have home court throughout the playoffs as long as they don't play the Spurs or Thunder. He's already in his 9th season and still no titles. If he goes into season 10 with no titles and Miami is 0 for 2 with their trio, there will be changes in Miami. LeBron can't afford another piss poor Finals performance.

Agreed. :cheers:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Lebron already has TWO embarrassing Finals.
I suppose there is still room for him to go down, but not much.

[amfirst]

Bosh declining the dude always owns the Lakers big. More like LeBron is making them look bad.

[The Iron Fist]

I'd vote no. Maybe a bit, but the GOAT ship has left a while back, so he's looking firmly at the top 10. A championship loss this year won't remove him from a top 10 discussion. No ring whatsoever might though.
:facepalm

[NASH = BEST]

Will Lebron James Legacy Be Tarnished if He Fails to Win a Ring This Year?


No

[CelticBaller]

stopped reading there.
Garnet-allen-pierce
Bird-Mchale-Parish
Chamberlin-West-Baylor
Barkley-Olijawon-Pippen
Jordan-Pippen-Rodman
Malone-Barkley-Erving
Nash-Marion-STAT
ect ect...

Lebron will kill himself if he dosen't win the finals :cry: :facepalm :cry:
rodman a superstar? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Indian guy]

Bosh's injury got him off the hook championship-wise. What he does need to do though is go down playing top-level basketball, so the loss isn't on him.

[Tenchi Ryu]

What not winning this championship will do is finally prove he made a BIG mistake career wise coming to Miami.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

No
do you seriously believe that?

[bwink23]

do you seriously believe that?


Jerry West lost in the Finals like 9 times?? His legacy is just fine. The fact that everyone expects Lebron to win it or get to the Finals every year now is a testament to how great he is.

:coleman:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Jerry West lost in the Finals like 9 times?? His legacy is just fine. The fact that everyone expects Lebron to win it or get to the Finals every year now is a testament to how great he is.

:coleman:
No, most folks have the capability to put things in context.
Now, go back and put West in context. Report back after what you learned.

[bwink23]

No, most folks have the capability to put things in context.
Now, go back and put West in context. Report back after what you learned.


Now put Lebron and his 2 Finals appearances into context..

Go.

[NASH = BEST]

do you seriously believe that?

YES!!

Why would it be?

If LeBron wins a championship next year, or in 2 or 3, no one will be saying "Well his career is already tarnished because he failed to win it in 2012"

In fact because of the short season, I think some idiots (Kobe fans, etc..) are already getting ready to discredit who ever wins it this year, ala the Spurs in 99'.

LeBron's legacy will only be tarnished if he fails to win one as the man during his career period.

[RazorBaLade]

Now put Lebron and his 2 Finals appearances into context..

Go.

Okay.

18 PPG , biggest dropoff from playoffs to finals in history, 2pts avg in 4th quarter.

Context>

[bwink23]

Okay.

18 PPG , biggest dropoff from playoffs to finals in history, 2pts avg in 4th quarter.

Context>


Jerry West lost 9 times in the Finals....CONTEXT

DOESN'T MATTER how he played. If that was Lebron in this era, he would be CRUCIFIED.

Context.

[RazorBaLade]

Jerry West lost 9 times in the Finals....CONTEXT

DOESN'T MATTER how he played. If that was Lebron in this era, he would be CRUCIFIED.

Context.

Oh okay, it doesn't matter how he played.

Good to know.

[Batz]

Not to me personally. Bosh out, Wade doesn't care, and Spo is being as awful as ever. Lebron hasn't been great, but most of it is not his fault.

[bwink23]

Oh okay, it doesn't matter how he played.

Good to know.


NO IT DOESN'T....cuz Lebron would STILL be branded a loser, THINK ABOUT IT.

LOSING 9 FACKING TIMES......"Not one, not 2, not 3....9 MOTHERFACKING TIMES"

Lebron's legacy will be fine.

In NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM does his legacy at 28 years old ride on a championship THIS YEAR, at all.

:coleman:

[Heavincent]

Now put Lebron and his 2 Finals appearances into context..

Go.

Context? He played like shit both times.

[bwink23]

Context? He played like shit both times.


Now put losing 8 Finals in 9 trips into context for Jerry West..


OH WAIT, it is....:rolleyes:

[The Iron Fist]

He wont be top ten. Ever.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Jerry West lost 9 times in the Finals....CONTEXT

DOESN'T MATTER how he played. If that was Lebron in this era, he would be CRUCIFIED.

Context.
I see you can be bothered to become educated. You just want to spout nonsense. Yes, indeed, you ARE a disappointment to your parents.

[bwink23]

I see you can be bothered to become educated. You just want to spout nonsense. Yes, indeed, you ARE a disappointment to your parents.


What happens to Lebron if he loses 8 Finals in 9 trips in this era??

EXACTLY


:party:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yes, depending on his performance. I will dock him some if he and Miami can't get past the Pacers.

No Bosh? Sure - but you still have Wade.

[bwink23]

Yes, depending on his performance. I will dock him some if he and Miami can't get past the Pacers.

No Bosh? Sure - but you still have Wade.


How is he doing in the series?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How is he doing in the series?

Wade still has time to step it up. Lebron hasn't been all that great either though. Had that meltdown in game 2, and only scored 6pts (with the game tied at halftime) in the second half of game 3. Hell, Chalmers outplayed all of them with 25.

[bwink23]

Wade still has time to step it up. Lebron hasn't been all that great either though. Had that meltdown in game 2, and only scored 6pts (with the game tied at halftime) in the second half of game 3. Hell, Chalmers outplayed all of them with 25.

It takes both Wade and Bron to step up. NO WAY can they win when one shows up and not the other....with no Bosh.

So how is Lebron's legacy tarnished if he has no help?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It takes both Wade and Bron to step up. NO WAY can they win when one shows up and not the other....with no Bosh.

So how is Lebron's legacy tarnished if he has no help?

If Wade continues to have games shooting 2-13, I don't think it will be. But you and I know that isn't likely. Last game they both stunk it up.

I'd give Bronzy a pass if he were up against a team like the Thunder...or even the Spurs and Celtics...but again, it's the Pacers. Miami has homecourt. Losing will hurt both James and Wade's legacy.

[L.Kizzle]

It takes both Wade and Bron to step up. NO WAY can they win when one shows up and not the other....with no Bosh.

So how is Lebron's legacy tarnished if he has no help?
I thought he left Cleveland cause he had no help? He now has no help in Miami too? :biggums:

[bwink23]

I thought he left Cleveland cause he had no help? He now has no help in Miami too? :biggums:


Ummm....Wade has been crap and Bosh is out.....:facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

It is interesting to me how people throw up these statistics and numbers to prove how one guy is responsible for losses and the other isn't.

Great players make everyone around them better. Two great players on the same team should bring the best out of one another. If that doesn't happen, both guys are at fault for failing to make it so.

My biggest thing when this union occurred was how the hell they were going to play in the same halfcourt offense well together. Wade and James still just take turns isolating in their halfcourt offense. One guy will have the ball and the other will be watching.

That is just bad basketball and good teams should be able to exploit it like the Pacers have thus far.

This whole, "Bosh is out and Wade has bad numbers, so this playoff doesn't count for James..." is nonsense. Wade is still capable of being a great player. If Miami, as a team (James included) is incapable of making this thing work in a tangible way with both guys being dominant simultaneously, it is a failure for everyone involved.

These guys are not playing small individual games within the bigger actual game. What James and Wade do when they are on the same team does not occur in a bubble. The way they play impacts one another and they play like sh!t together in offensive sets, frankly.

[L.Kizzle]

Ummm....Wade has been crap and Bosh is out.....:facepalm
Lol ...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It is interesting to me how people throw up these statistics and numbers to prove how one guy is responsible for losses and the other isn't.

Great players make everyone around them better. Two great players on the same team should bring the best out of one another. If that doesn't happen, both guys are at fault for either failing to make it so.

My biggest thing when this union occurred was how the hell they were going to play in the same halfcourt offense well together. Wade and James still just take turns isolating in their halfcourt offense. One guy will have the ball and the other will be watching.

That is just bad basketball and good teams should be able to exploit it like the Pacers have thus far.

This whole, "Bosh is out and Wade has bad numbers, so this playoff doesn't count for James..." is nonsense. Wade is still capable of being a great player. If Miami, as a team (James included) is incapable of making this thing work in a tangible way with both guys being dominant simultaneously, it is a failure for everyone involved.

These guys are not playing small individual games within the bigger actual game. What James and Wade do when they are on the same team does not occur in a bubble. The way they play impacts one another and they play like sh!t together in offensive sets, frankly.

Gets it. :applause:

Well said, RBA.

[bwink23]

It is interesting to me how people throw up these statistics and numbers to prove how one guy is responsible for losses and the other isn't.

Great players make everyone around them better. Two great players on the same team should bring the best out of one another. If that doesn't happen, both guys are at fault for either failing to make it so.

My biggest thing when this union occurred was how the hell they were going to play in the same halfcourt offense well together. Wade and James still just take turns isolating in their halfcourt offense. One guy will have the ball and the other will be watching.

That is just bad basketball and good teams should be able to exploit it like the Pacers have thus far.

This whole, "Bosh is out and Wade has bad numbers, so this playoff doesn't count for James..." is nonsense. Wade is still capable of being a great player. If Miami, as a team (James included) is incapable of making this thing work in a tangible way with both guys being dominant simultaneously, it is a failure for everyone involved.

These guys are not playing small individual games within the bigger actual game. What James and Wade do when they are on the same team does not occur in a bubble. The way they play impacts one another and they play like sh!t together in offensive sets, frankly.


So, despite Wade playing like shit and Bosh not even playing...we are gonna go ahead and let a potential series loss tarnish Lebron's legacy anyway.....:facepalm :facepalm


Would it be another disappointment, yes.

Damage legacy? Why? According to you guys, it's already damaged. One year isn't gonna make or break it..


All he needs is one championship with a great series to turn it all around..and he has a few years left in the tank.

We should just throw the towel in on the 28-year old?
PLEASE.

Time heals all wounds.

[L.Kizzle]

So, despite Wade playing like shit and Bosh not even playing...we are gonna go ahead and let a potential series loss tarnish Lebron's legacy anyway.....:facepalm :facepalm


Would it be another disappointment, yes.

Damage legacy? Why? According to you guys, it's already damaged. One year isn't gonna make or break it..


All he needs is one championship with a great series to turn it all around..and he has a few years left in the tank.

We should just throw the towel in on the 28-year old?
PLEASE.

Time heals all wounds.
Stop it, Bosh or no Bosh this team should beat the Indiana Pacers.

[bwink23]

Stop it, Bosh or no Bosh this team should beat the Indiana Pacers.


Yeah, cuz they are so talented without the Big 3 right??? :rolleyes:

PLEASE :no:

[DirtySanchez]

He tarnished his legacy with the decision period.

[broke3113]

No once lebron wins one ring he will be top 10 around 8th best ahead of Kobe...
Kobe has had shaq then gasol and Bynum....
Lebron on cavs had no one...
Lebron on heat really has no one either Joel Anthony,miller,chalmers, yuck
Everyone should read hollinger on how lebron has no one on heat to help

[DukeDelonte13]

No once lebron wins one ring he will be top 10 around 8th best ahead of Kobe...
Kobe has had shaq then gasol and Bynum....
Lebron on cavs had no one...
Lebron on heat really has no one either Joel Anthony,miller,chalmers, yuck
Everyone should read hollinger on how lebron has no one on heat to help


welcome to ISH :applause: :applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

So, despite Wade playing like shit and Bosh not even playing...we are gonna go ahead and let a potential series loss tarnish Lebron's legacy anyway.....:facepalm :facepalm


Would it be another disappointment, yes.

Damage legacy? Why? According to you guys, it's already damaged. One year isn't gonna make or break it..


All he needs is one championship with a great series to turn it all around..and he has a few years left in the tank.

We should just throw the towel in on the 28-year old?
PLEASE.

Time heals all wounds.

I didn't say that losing this year "tarnishes his legacy." I was referencing the point that, because Wade has had a rough playoff run that it gives James a pass. This is still a team game and James, imo, is the best player in the world (although Durant is closing in).

If Wade is really struggling in this series, isn't there something that the best player in the game can do to maybe get him easier looks? Or help his game in any way, shape or form? Because, with the way that they currently play together, it doesn't seem possible unless they get out on the break.

In the halfcourt, they don't make one another better... Quite the opposite, in fact. That is what I thought would happen back in July of 2010 when the union was announced, that is one of the reasons that I thought last year's Finals went the way they did and that is the reason that this series is going the way that it is going.

It isn't that "Wade sucks." It is that Wade and James just do not make one another better like players of their respective calibers should.


So, no... James and Wade aren't playing individually in a bubble against the Pacers. James has been more effective than Wade, but the way that BOTH guys play results in James having a Finals series like he had last year and it results in Wade having a second round performance like this.

It just hasn't worked and you can't completely blame one guy and not blame the other (I didn't only blame James in last year's Finals, either).



As for James' legacy, every season that passes and, at the end of which, he is still ringless does impact his legacy in some manner. Then again, the move to Miami alone put a cap on a how high he is regarded in the grand scheme regardless of whether or not he eventually gets a title. He certainly took his name out of any comparisons with Jordan with that move. It will also take an absolute fairy tale from here on out for him to ever reach the likes of Bird, Magic, etc.

To think about the sacrifice that he made and this is the way it is turning out... Unreal.


And, to say that how a guy plays doesn't matter, as long as he gets a ring... That is utterly ridiculous. :oldlol:

[lilgodfather1]

If LeBron goes 2-13 with 5 turnovers in the elimination game then we can talk about it tarnishing his legacy.

Honestly though this Heat team sucks without Bosh. They have NO scoring from any other players besides LeBron and Wade, and they need one of the role players step up. Last game one of the role players stepped up, but Wade stepped down. Wade played like the average ISH poster would play in the NBA.

At least if LeBron was on the Cavs with Bosh their team would be

Davis/Kyrie
Miller/AP
LeBron
Bosh
Varejao

That team has at least 4 of the next best players on it after Wade/LeBron/Bosh.

Davis, Kyrie, Varejao, and AP are better than any Heat player not named Wade.

[RedBlackAttack]

If LeBron goes 2-13 with 5 turnovers in the elimination game then we can talk about it tarnishing his legacy.

Honestly though this Heat team sucks without Bosh. They have NO scoring from any other players besides LeBron and Wade, and they need one of the role players step up. Last game one of the role players stepped up, but Wade stepped down. Wade played like the average ISH poster would play in the NBA.

At least if LeBron was on the Cavs with Bosh their team would be

Davis/Kyrie
Miller/AP
LeBron
Bosh
Varejao

That team has at least 4 of the next best players on it after Wade/LeBron/Bosh.

Davis, Kyrie, Varejao, and AP are better than any Heat player not named Wade.
Erm, that team is light years better than this Heat one. :oldlol:

I don't see your point, though.

[DMAVS41]

If he fails to win a ring? Depends on how you define tarnish. It will definitely hurt his legacy. But if he were to win 4 titles after this year....his legacy would be one of the best ever.

If he fails to get out of the 2nd round? The legacy will be hurt to a far greater degree....as it should.

No matter how much one loves or hates Lebron...he is without a doubt one of the 20 greatest players of all time at this point. He is also without a doubt developing a history of coming up small in big games / moments in the playoffs when his teams need him most.

Lebron could retire after this year and would be pretty much universally accepted as a top 20 player of all time. But in order for him to move up...he simply has to get it done in the playoffs....especially given the fact that he has more than enough help.

[BallsOut]

It is interesting to me how people throw up these statistics and numbers to prove how one guy is responsible for losses and the other isn't.

Great players make everyone around them better. Two great players on the same team should bring the best out of one another. If that doesn't happen, both guys are at fault for failing to make it so.

My biggest thing when this union occurred was how the hell they were going to play in the same halfcourt offense well together. Wade and James still just take turns isolating in their halfcourt offense. One guy will have the ball and the other will be watching.

That is just bad basketball and good teams should be able to exploit it like the Pacers have thus far.

This whole, "Bosh is out and Wade has bad numbers, so this playoff doesn't count for James..." is nonsense. Wade is still capable of being a great player. If Miami, as a team (James included) is incapable of making this thing work in a tangible way with both guys being dominant simultaneously, it is a failure for everyone involved.

These guys are not playing small individual games within the bigger actual game. What James and Wade do when they are on the same team does not occur in a bubble. The way they play impacts one another and they play like sh!t together in offensive sets, frankly.

:applause:

[Dengness9]

No once lebron wins one ring he will be top 10 around 8th best ahead of Kobe...
Kobe has had shaq then gasol and Bynum....
Lebron on cavs had no one...
Lebron on heat really has no one either Joel Anthony,miller,chalmers, yuck
Everyone should read hollinger on how lebron has no one on heat to help

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Thats one broke-ass statement

[lilgodfather1]

Erm, that team is light years better than this Heat one. :oldlol:

I don't see your point, though.
The point is simple. If Bosh goes down on the Cavs roster I proposed then we still have other players on the roster that could step up (and we have our own big 2 with Kyrie and LeBron). LeBron just had to convince Bosh to go to Cleveland, it would have saved him a ton of hate nation wide, and the team would have been much better.

[BallsOut]

The point is simple. If Bosh goes down on the Cavs roster I proposed then we still have other players on the roster that could step up (and we have our own big 2 with Kyrie and LeBron). LeBron just had to convince Bosh to go to Cleveland, it would have saved him a ton of hate nation wide, and the team would have been much better.

How would the Cavs have Kyrie if that had happened? :facepalm

[BallsOut]

It is interesting to me how people throw up these statistics and numbers to prove how one guy is responsible for losses and the other isn't.

Great players make everyone around them better. Two great players on the same team should bring the best out of one another. If that doesn't happen, both guys are at fault for failing to make it so.

My biggest thing when this union occurred was how the hell they were going to play in the same halfcourt offense well together. Wade and James still just take turns isolating in their halfcourt offense. One guy will have the ball and the other will be watching.

That is just bad basketball and good teams should be able to exploit it like the Pacers have thus far.

This whole, "Bosh is out and Wade has bad numbers, so this playoff doesn't count for James..." is nonsense. Wade is still capable of being a great player. If Miami, as a team (James included) is incapable of making this thing work in a tangible way with both guys being dominant simultaneously, it is a failure for everyone involved.

These guys are not playing small individual games within the bigger actual game. What James and Wade do when they are on the same team does not occur in a bubble. The way they play impacts one another and they play like sh!t together in offensive sets, frankly.

:biggums:

[BallsOut]

I didn't say that losing this year "tarnishes his legacy." I was referencing the point that, because Wade has had a rough playoff run that it gives James a pass. This is still a team game and James, imo, is the best player in the world (although Durant is closing in).

If Wade is really struggling in this series, isn't there something that the best player in the game can do to maybe get him easier looks? Or help his game in any way, shape or form? Because, with the way that they currently play together, it doesn't seem possible unless they get out on the break.

In the halfcourt, they don't make one another better... Quite the opposite, in fact. That is what I thought would happen back in July of 2010 when the union was announced, that is one of the reasons that I thought last year's Finals went the way they did and that is the reason that this series is going the way that it is going.

It isn't that "Wade sucks." It is that Wade and James just do not make one another better like players of their respective calibers should.


So, no... James and Wade aren't playing individually in a bubble against the Pacers. James has been more effective than Wade, but the way that BOTH guys play results in James having a Finals series like he had last year and it results in Wade having a second round performance like this.

It just hasn't worked and you can't completely blame one guy and not blame the other (I didn't only blame James in last year's Finals, either).



As for James' legacy, every season that passes and, at the end of which, he is still ringless does impact his legacy in some manner. Then again, the move to Miami alone put a cap on a how high he is regarded in the grand scheme regardless of whether or not he eventually gets a title. He certainly took his name out of any comparisons with Jordan with that move. It will also take an absolute fairy tale from here on out for him to ever reach the likes of Bird, Magic, etc.

To think about the sacrifice that he made and this is the way it is turning out... Unreal.


And, to say that how a guy plays doesn't matter, as long as he gets a ring... That is utterly ridiculous. :oldlol:

:applause:

[BallsOut]

Now having a veteran Miami squad going against a young inexperienced OKC team, how much of a hit would Lebron's legacy take if he lost?

[Meticode]

How would the Cavs have Kyrie if that had happened? :facepalm
We got Kyrie because Mo Williams was traded for the Clippers pick. Us getting the pick had nothing to do with our crappy records since we had like a 2% chance to land the #1 pick after the trade. If the Clippers had kept the pick they would';ve been drafting either Irving or Derrick Williams probably. I'm going to guess Irving since it was before the Chris Paul trade was ever thought of.

[BallsOut]

We got Kyrie because Mo Williams was traded for the Clippers pick. Us getting the pick had nothing to do with our crappy records since we had like a 2% chance to land the #1 pick after the trade. If the Clippers had kept the pick they would';ve been drafting either Irving or Derrick Williams probably. I'm going to guess Irving since it was before the Chris Paul trade was ever thought of.

Oh duh :hammerhead:

Clippers :biggums:

[LakersReign]

TBH, if Durant and the Thunder beat Lebron and the Heat in this year's finals, Lebron will end up being the laughing stock of the NBA.