Kobe's Stifling Defense on Opposing Point Guards

[BallsOut]

First off a few weeks ago against Russell Westbrook, single handedly guarded him the entire game and held him to 3-22 shooting. Tonight Lawson had 24pts going into the 4th quarter, and Kobe guarded him the entire 4th and Lawson did not score a single point. :bowdown:

At 33 years of age, Kobe is still an all NBA lock down perimeter defender when he chooses to be. If the Lakers allow Kobe to guard Westbrook in the next round all series long, I really like the Lakers chances. Thoughts?

[bwink23]

First off a few weeks ago against Russell Westbrook, single handedly guarded him the entire game and held him to 3-22 shooting. Tonight Lawson had 24pts going into the 4th quarter, and Kobe guarded him the entire 4th and Lawson did not score a single point. :bowdown:

At 33 years of age, Kobe is still an all NBA lock down perimeter defender when he chooses to be. If the Lakers allow Kobe to guard Westbrook in the next round all series long, I really like the Lakers chances. Thoughts?


Kobe defense?? :lol :lol

2 words:

WORLD PEACE

[gtfomyface]

It's not really something to be happy about, at kobe's age he needs as much energy on offense as he can =\

though he still comes out to hit the dagger after being passive the whole quarter not taking a shot :applause:

[Bladers]

Lawson 0 points in the 4th Quarter. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[pauk]

Way to cover up a bad performance by Kobe where he got carried by Gasol...

[Heavincent]

Kobe defense?? :lol :lol

2 words:

WORLD PEACE

Watch the game for once. Lawson was going off and then get completely shut down by Kobe in the fourth quarter. World Peace was shutting down Gallo. You think he's gonna guard a PG at this stage of his career? :oldlol:

Just a fact really. Anybody that watched the game knows this.

[Pushxx]

I'm not a Laker fan and Kobe is the best non-PG PG defender in the league.

He has amazing footwork and positioning. He also recovers well and challenges shots/passes well.

[RazorBaLade]

Way to cover up a bad performance by Kobe where he got carried by Gasol...

stop trolling you dumb ****

[Heavincent]

Way to cover up a bad performance by Kobe where he got carried by Gasol...

:oldlol: :oldlol: :facepalm :facepalm

[Anaximandro1]

Kobe defense? As usual

Gasol 23/17/6/4

Bynum 16/18/6


plus


Blake 19/3

MWP 15/5

[truhooper]

Way to cover up a bad performance by Kobe where he got carried by Gasol...

:cheers:

tell em - 2 chainz

[pauk]

Is it really trolling? I just say what i saw....

Gasol 23-17-6 and 4 blocks, hitting the most 4th quarter points
Blake 19 points on 7 of 11, hitting more 4th quarter points than Kobe
Bynum 16-18 and 6 blocks, got more 4th quarter points than Kobe aswell

Kobes teammates stepped up tonight... in a night where he didnt play so good...

[bwink23]

Watch the game for once. Lawson was going off and then get completely shut down by Kobe in the fourth quarter. World Peace was shutting down Gallo. You think he's gonna guard a PG at this stage of his career? :oldlol:

Just a fact really. Anybody that watched the game knows this.


I watched the game....Kobe had great help BEHIND him...Lawson would blow by Kobe AT WILL without that help....:lol

SAVE IT KID

[Indian guy]

Meh. It's not hard to play good D on PGs with shaky jumpers + 2 7 footers behind you. I don't recall him doing anything against CP3 last postseason. Or Deron Williams prior to that. Guys with legit skill-sets.

[Heavincent]

I watched the game....Kobe had great help BEHIND him...Lawson would blow by Kobe AT WILL without that help....:lol

SAVE IT KID

Yup, definitely didn't watch the game. Did you not see when Lawson tried to drive it on Kobe, but Kobe just stayed in front of him and he had no choice but to pass it back out because of Kobe's D?

Stop arguing with facts.

[Quizno]

people really gonna pretend kobe wasn't getting doubled every possession and creating opportunities for others? :coleman:

[BallsOut]

I watched the game....Kobe had great help BEHIND him...Lawson would blow by Kobe AT WILL without that help....:lol

SAVE IT KID

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. Lawson did not once drive by Kobe. In fact, he would drive into the lane with Kobe still in front of him forcing him to pick up his dribble, turn around and pass it back out to his teammate.

[RazorBaLade]

Is it really trolling? I just say what i saw....

Gasol 23-17-6 and 4 blocks, hitting the most 4th quarter points
Blake 19 points on 7 of 11, hitting more 4th quarter points than Kobe
Bynum 16-18 and 6 blocks, got more 4th quarter points than Kobe aswell

Kobes teammates stepped up tonight... in a night where he didnt play so good...

you didnt watch the game if you thought bynum played well

kobe had great d and played well... gasol was mvp no doubt but kobe was up there.

[YAWN]

I watched the game....Kobe had great help BEHIND him...Lawson would blow by Kobe AT WILL without that help....:lol

SAVE IT KID

which is why he got shut down the first 3 quarters when kobe wasn't on him? oh wait, he was on fire...

why is it so hard for people to admit Kobe played well defensively... :facepalm

[trooper]

Is it really trolling? I just say what i saw....

Gasol 23-17-6 and 4 blocks, hitting the most 4th quarter points
Blake 19 points on 7 of 11, hitting more 4th quarter points than Kobe
Bynum 16-18 and 6 blocks, got more 4th quarter points than Kobe aswell

Kobes teammates stepped up tonight... in a night where he didnt play so good...

Are you kidding me? You're an idiot.

Gasol was the best tonight, Blake played extremely well, but the offense was run through Kobe, and he made the right passes when the doubles came, that's why he didn't many 4th qtr points.

He played great D on Lawson, held him to nothing.

and inb4 you mention hypocrisy about LeBron's 4th qtr in 2011 Finals...he just completely disappeared, whereas Kobe hit that nasty 3 and had enough swag to bump JT :bowdown:

[bwink23]

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. Lawson did not once drive by Kobe. In fact, he would drive into the lane with Kobe still in front of him forcing him to pick up his dribble, turn around and pass it back out to his teammate.


Proving you didn't watch the game....Kobe would get TORCHED by Lawson if no one was on the floor....

Thinking Kobe can stay in front of Lawson in a 1-on-1 situation is LAUGHABLE....

Lawson's speed is blazing. Kobe is like molasses

[NuggetsFan]

Lawson's MO. Needs to learn to attack consistently. Not to take away from Kobe's D but Lawson done this his entire career, including game 6. Goes on offensive spurts than fades away to a spot up shooter and becomes extremely passive.

Can't wait until Denver finally gets a true back up PG. Lawson has always had to play with another PG who's an established vet. Billups, Felton, Miller. I can't count how many times this game Miller took the ball out of Lawson's hands.

[Bladers]

I watched the game....Kobe had great help BEHIND him...Lawson would blow by Kobe AT WILL without that help....:lol

SAVE IT KID

Which is why He had 32 points in game 6 and 24 points through 3 Qtrs tonight with others guarding him?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[bdreason]

I watched the game....Kobe had great help BEHIND him...Lawson would blow by Kobe AT WILL without that help....:lol

SAVE IT KID


You obviously didn't watch the game. Where was that great help in the 3rd q when Lawson was getting into the paint at will?



Kobe shut down Lawson, period. I'm not one to give Kobe credit as a great defender, but he locked up Lawson, and changed the game.

[RazorBaLade]

ITs true, he murdered lawson. Just murdered him.

[Bladers]

You obviously didn't watch the game. Where was that great help in the 3rd q when Lawson was getting into the paint at will?



Kobe shut down Lawson, period. I'm not one to give Kobe credit as a great defender, but he locked up Lawson, and changed the game.

Ask him about Game 6 and 3qtrs of game 7 when kobe wasn't on him?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe defense?? :lol :lol

2 words:

WORLD PEACE

Seriously. It's hysterical to see Kobe fans laud his "defense" on Lawson tonight, talking about how he stepped up to the challenge. :oldlol: I guess he just didn't wanna guard Lawson through the first 43 minutes when he was killing LA. And Lawson was simply hesitant to drive against LA's huge front line in the 4th, but they're acting like Kobe did a blanket job on him in terms of ball denial or staying in front of him on the drive when this wasnt the case at all - Lawson was just EXTREMELY passive in the 4th due to LA's size inside. He didn't even try to MAKE any moves to GIVE Kobe a chance to play good D on him. That's what makes all this talk so hysterical. :oldlol:

[BallsOut]

Proving you didn't watch the game....Kobe would get TORCHED by Lawson if no one was on the floor....

Thinking Kobe can stay in front of Lawson in a 1-on-1 situation is LAUGHABLE....

Lawson's speed is blazing. Kobe is like molasses

:oldlol: Keep living in your hypothetical world dude. The game tape doesn't lie, go watch it sometime and quit trolling the boards, it might help you lose some weight.

[Heavincent]

Proving you didn't watch the game....Kobe would get TORCHED by Lawson if no one was on the floor....

Thinking Kobe can stay in front of Lawson in a 1-on-1 situation is LAUGHABLE....

Lawson's speed is blazing. Kobe is like molasses

Holy shit, I'm sure NBA TV will show the game tomorrow or something. Watch it. Lawson tried to drive on Kobe but he stayed in front of him and had no choice but to pass it back out. I saw it with my own two eyes you daft moron.

[G-Funk]

It was sick, that's why he kept looking for his teammates in the 4th, using his energy defensively, he's still better than Lebron defensively when he wants to.

[bwink23]

You obviously didn't watch the game. Where was that great help in the 3rd q when Lawson was getting into the paint at will?



Kobe shut down Lawson, period. I'm not one to give Kobe credit as a great defender, but he locked up Lawson, and changed the game.


He didn't "lock up" Lawson....:facepalm

The game got into a halfcourt grind, which isn't Lawson's strong suit. The openings closed up, and it's NOT cuz of Kobe.

Your a DAMN FOOL if you think Kobe could stay in front of Lawson if he didn't have help defense waiting..

Lawson would MURDER Kobe in an open court.

:lol

[OldSchoolBBall]

Which is why He had 32 points in game 6 and 24 points through 3 Qtrs tonight with others guarding him?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

He did most of his damage when one of LA's 7'1" players were on the bench, not when both were in. There's a reason for that.

[RazorBaLade]

Seriously. It's hysterical to see Kobe fans laud his "defense" on Lawson tonight, talking about how he stepped up to the challenge. :oldlol: I guess he just didn't wanna guard Lawson through the first 43 minutes when he was killing LA. And Lawson was simply hesitant to drive against LA's huge front line in the 4th, but they're acting like Kobe did a blanket job on him in terms of ball denial or staying in front of him on the drive when this wasnt the case at all - Lawson was just EXTREMELY passive in the 4th due to LA's size inside. He didn't even try to MAKE any moves to GIVE Kobe a chance to play good D on him. That's what makes all this talk so hysterical. :oldlol:

Lawson only played well in the 3rd quarter and thats when Kobe got on him after they lost the lead. And yes, if you watched the game, you saw that kobe straight locked him up. I'm not saying bigs don't help, lol, but kobe did really really well.

[Bladers]

Seriously. It's hysterical to see Kobe fans laud his "defense" on Lawson tonight, talking about how he stepped up to the challenge. :oldlol: I guess he just didn't wanna guard Lawson through the first 43 minutes when he was killing LA. And Lawson was simply hesitant to drive against LA's huge front line in the 4th, but they're acting like Kobe did a blanket job on him in terms of ball denial or staying in front of him on the drive when this wasnt the case at all - Lawson was just EXTREMELY passive in the 4th due to LA's size inside. He didn't even try to MAKE any moves to GIVE Kobe a chance to play good D on him. That's what makes all this talk so hysterical. :oldlol:


Why wasn't he passive in game 6 and 3 qtrs of game 7?
Why be passive when Kobe gets on him? cause he was shut down.

0 pts in the 4th. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[KingLeBronJames]

Kobe defense?? :lol :lol

2 words:

WORLD PEACE
Ty Lawson didn't do nothing in the 4th quarter.

[Bladers]

He did most of his damage when one of LA's 7'1" players were on the bench, not when both were in. There's a reason for that.

lol are you serious? Lawson is a starter not a bench player. That means he's in when Lakers two bigs are in and out when they are out.

LMAO son you failing hard! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[G-Funk]

Seriously. It's hysterical to see Kobe fans laud his "defense" on Lawson tonight, talking about how he stepped up to the challenge. :oldlol: I guess he just didn't wanna guard Lawson through the first 43 minutes when he was killing LA. And Lawson was simply hesitant to drive against LA's huge front line in the 4th, but they're acting like Kobe did a blanket job on him in terms of ball denial or staying in front of him on the drive when this wasnt the case at all - Lawson was just EXTREMELY passive in the 4th due to LA's size inside. He didn't even try to MAKE any moves to GIVE Kobe a chance to play good D on him. That's what makes all this talk so hysterical. :oldlol:



:facepalm hesitant to drive against the Bigs lineup? he was doing that all series, till Kobe got a hold of his ass in the 4th. Don't hate bro, don't hate

[G-Funk]

He did most of his damage when one of LA's 7'1" players were on the bench, not when both were in. There's a reason for that.


U stupid! :oldlol:

[bwink23]

Lawson only played well in the 3rd quarter and thats when Kobe got on him after they lost the lead. And yes, if you watched the game, you saw that kobe straight locked him up.

He did not lock him up at all.....:facepalm

ARE YOU STUPID??

Lawson's game is penetration...he was getting alot of buckets in transition with a head of steam. Kobe DOES NOT stay in front of Lawson, unless Lawson is hesitant to get into the paint to begin with.

If no one else is on the floor, Lawson would turn Kobe to STONE.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Lawson only played well in the 3rd quarter and thats when Kobe got on him after they lost the lead. And yes, if you watched the game, you saw that kobe straight locked him up. I'm not saying bigs don't help, lol, but kobe did really really well.

I did watch the game and I didnt see Lawson even ATTEMPT to do a DAMNED THING in the 4th. How is that attributable to Kobe's defense? What exactly was Kobe doing? He wasnt playing ball denial D or anything. I'll tell you what he was doing: playing with a 14'2" front line which combined for 10 blocks behind him.

[G-Funk]

which is why he got shut down the first 3 quarters when kobe wasn't on him? oh wait, he was on fire...

why is it so hard for people to admit Kobe played well defensively... :facepalm

That's what i'm saying! they see it but don't admit it, they make up this thing in their head just to cause confusion

[chazzy]

These Jordan stans are getting fukkin pathetic. Unreal

[DMAVS41]

I love how Kobe stans ignore that Afflalo played really well against Kobe tonight. Where was the defense there?

I did think Kobe did a good job on Lawson on the pick and roll in the 4th though...but again having two bigs backing you up against a guy that can't shoot that well helps a lot. When both bigs were in tonight I thought the Lakers played really good half court defense. It was transition that allowed Lawson to get going in the first place.

[KB2009Champ]

I watched the game....Kobe had great help BEHIND him...Lawson would blow by Kobe AT WILL without that help....:lol

SAVE IT KID


So explain why he was able to go off for 3 quarters and magically in the 4th he coudnt?

Just explain that.

[Bladers]

Add Lawson to Wade, Westbrook...

The amount of superstar gaurds Kobe has shut down this season. :roll:

[Heavincent]

You guys are so desperate :oldlol: :facepalm That Lakers front court was playing for the rest of the game too, yet Lawson was still carving them up. Kobe put the clamps down in the fourth quarter. That's the main reason he went scoreless. It's pretty hard to deny, but that doesn't stop Kobe haters from trying :oldlol:

[bwink23]

I love how Kobe stans ignore that Afflalo played really well against Kobe tonight. Where was the defense there?

I did think Kobe did a good job on Lawson on the pick and roll in the 4th though...but again having two bigs backing you up against a guy that can't shoot that well helps a lot. When both bigs were in tonight I thought the Lakers played really good half court defense. It was transition that allowed Lawson to get going in the first place.


Someone watched the game.

[bdreason]

The only ones arguing against Kobe's defense tonight are Loki and Bwink, the two biggest Jordan homers on this forum.


Shocking!

[RazorBaLade]

He did not lock him up at all.....:facepalm

ARE YOU STUPID??

Lawson's game is penetration...he was getting alot of buckets in transition with a head of steam. Kobe DOES NOT stay in front of Lawson, unless Lawson is hesitant to get into the paint to begin with.

If no one else is on the floor, Lawson would turn Kobe to STONE.

Thats how it is with all PGs though. No one can guard someone 1 on 1 in the nba, but when it was blake or sessions on him and pau / drew behind him, lawson was doing work, but kobe made it much much harder.

You can't explain pau and drew playing the other games with blake or sessions on lawson and him doing it at will but when kobe comes in at the front of that its suddenly all about pau and drew and what they did?

[Bladers]

I love how Kobe stans ignore that Afflalo played really well against Kobe tonight. Where was the defense there?

I did think Kobe did a good job on Lawson on the pick and roll in the 4th though...but again having two bigs backing you up against a guy that can't shoot that well helps a lot. When both bigs were in tonight I thought the Lakers played really good half court defense. It was transition that allowed Lawson to get going in the first place.

Mad mad son.

Which is why Lawson curved our defense up for 7 quarters straight. He was shooting 70% for crying out loud for 7 straight QUARTERS!

[BallsOut]

I did watch the game and I didnt see Lawson even ATTEMPT to do a DAMNED THING in the 4th. How is that attributable to Kobe's defense? What exactly was Kobe doing? He wasnt playing ball denial D or anything. I'll tell you what he was doing: playing with a 14'2" front line which combined for 10 blocks behind him.

Explain this, Kobe doesn't guard Lawson for first 3 quarters, result Lawson 24 pts.

Kobe guards Lawson for entire 4th quarter, result Lawson 0 pts.

I'm pretty sure Bynum and Gasol were there playing in all 4 quarters. Kobe's defense was the difference, but your blind hatred won't allow you to see it. :biggums:

[Bobcat4Ever]

Kobe's ball sack has more talent than LeBron.

[OldSchoolBBall]

U stupid! :oldlol:

He did most of his damage in transition and when one of LA's trees weren't in the game. One 7-footer is fine, but when both were in he was extremely reluctant to do anything. Facts are facts. Please - PLEASE - show me a single clip of this supposed "terrific defense" on Lawson tonight from Kobe.


Explain this, Kobe doesn't guard Lawson for first 3 quarters, result Lawson 24 pts.

Kobe guards Lawson for entire 4th quarter, result Lawson 0 pts.


See above. It's amost like you didn't watch the game at all. :oldlol:

[bdreason]

I did think Kobe did a good job on Lawson on the pick and roll in the 4th though...but again having two bigs backing you up against a guy that can't shoot that well helps a lot..



It didn't help in the first 3 q's before Kobe switched to Lawson.

[Bladers]

The only ones arguing against Kobe's defense tonight are Loki and Bwink, the two biggest Jordan homers on this forum.


Shocking!

IKR?! :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

You guys are so desperate :oldlol: :facepalm That Lakers front court was playing for the rest of the game too, yet Lawson was still carving them up. Kobe put the clamps down in the fourth quarter. That's the main reason he went scoreless. It's pretty hard to deny, but that doesn't stop Kobe haters from trying :oldlol:

Meh. It was a lot of transition and secondary offense on breaks. In the half court, the Nuggets/Lawson didn't do much the entire game.

Kobe did a good job in the 4th in certain situations, but ignoring reality is silly.

The game slowed down late in the 4th like it always does and the Nuggets inability to score in the half court caught up to them....like it always does.

Not hard.

The notion that Kobe did anything other than play pretty decent defense in the 4th is silly. Clamps? WTF?

[bwink23]

You guys are so desperate :oldlol: :facepalm That Lakers front court was playing for the rest of the game too, yet Lawson was still carving them up. Kobe put the clamps down in the fourth quarter. That's the main reason he went scoreless. It's pretty hard to deny, but that doesn't stop Kobe haters from trying :oldlol:

What did Kobe do?? :confusedshrug:

He didn't do JACK. He sags and lingers. If Kobe gets in Lawson's grill 20 feet from the basket, he's TOAST. Lawson feared the help D far more than anything Kobe's slow-footed ass could do.

[RazorBaLade]

It didn't help in the first 3 q's before Kobe switched to Lawson.

Or in the other 6 games when blake/sessions was on him.

[SlayerEnraged]

I did watch the game and I didnt see Lawson even ATTEMPT to do a DAMNED THING in the 4th. How is that attributable to Kobe's defense? What exactly was Kobe doing? He wasnt playing ball denial D or anything. I'll tell you what he was doing: playing with a 14'2" front line which combined for 10 blocks behind him.


Every1 Kobe guards always plays like shit. It's all about RESULTS and when Kobe guards permiter payers that are usually good, they usually play bad. Lawson did wanna do much cause he knew Kobe had him locked up...KObe played iso d and h couldn't get shots off.

[RazorBaLade]

ehh I'm just going to leave tis thread and enjoy the win instead of making u guys see something that clearly happened to a degree at least but that you just refuse to see. such dumbasses.

[Bladers]

He did most of his damage in transition and when one of LA's trees weren't in the game. One 7-footer is fine, but when both were in he was extremely reluctant to do anything, which is why he was quiet in the 1st and 4th quarter - because they were in together for most of those two quarters. Facts are facts. Please - PLEASE - show me a single clip of this supposed "terrific defense" on Lawson tonight from Kobe.

Really? LOL How much more can you fail?

Lawson does most of his damage statistical (fact) in the first and 3rd Qtr where both bigs are. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Try again? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

He did not lock him up at all.....:facepalm

ARE YOU STUPID??

Lawson's game is penetration...he was getting alot of buckets in transition with a head of steam. Kobe DOES NOT stay in front of Lawson, unless Lawson is hesitant to get into the paint to begin with.

If no one else is on the floor, Lawson would turn Kobe to STONE.

Holy shit, there's VIDEO EVIDENCE of Kobe staying front of Lawson and forcing him to pass it back out. Anybody that watched the game would agree that Kobe was the main reason for Lawson going scoreless in the fourth quarter.

[pauk]

Nice try...

No, this is all just a derail attempt to ignore a bad performance by Kobe and ignore that Gasol was the reason to this win and act like Kobes occasional defensive effort on Lawson was the reason to them winning this game.....

Dont sit there and act like im hating on Kobe, its YOU who im hating on... he didnt have a good game tonight, stop with the excuses, its Gasol who deserved a thread from you tonight.... stop being Kobetards and be LAKER FANS...

[Bladers]

The notion that Kobe did anything other than play pretty decent defense in the 4th is silly. Clamps? WTF?

Ask wade, rondo and westbrook. :oldlol:

[chazzy]

against a guy that can't shoot that well

shaky jumper
What??

[cavsfanatic]

Lawson never scores in half court offense you idiots. His whole game is transition. Kobe clamped him down? ok cool if that's how y'all look at the game.
Lebron locked down Derrick Rose in the playoffs last season. who cares

[DMAVS41]

It didn't help in the first 3 q's before Kobe switched to Lawson.

The game slowed down. Did you watch the game? The Nuggets got down huge because the offense was terrible in the half court. Then the Nuggets got out and ran and Lawson got going in transition.

Then the game changed again to slowing down in the 4th and the Nuggets/Lawson struggled as expected like they always do when the game slows down.

This is my problem with Kobe stans. You want to attribute only good things to him. What about Afflalo playing well against Kobe tonight? Where was his defense there?

You guys just have to reach so much. Another huge game for the Lakers and another game in which its Gasol and another role player that make the difference. Funny how that works.

[NuggetsFan]

Kobe's defense was good but I guess I'm confused as to why people think he put the clamps down on somebody who you don't need to put the clamps down on. Miller took the ball out of Lawson's hands for the majority of the 4th.

Lawson was 0-3 with 2 offensive rebounds and an assist. 0-4 if you include the desperate 3 point attempt. He's a PG .. so if he wanted the ball he could have gotten in. Can't deny the PG the ball the entire 4th.

I guess it's awesome people are comparing him in that kinda tier. He does alot of his damage in transition and when the game slows down he's nowhere near aggressive.

Plus that's the first time all season long where he played the entire 3rd and 4th quarter.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Can anyone show me a single clip of Kobe's lockdown defense on Lawson? Lawson didnt even ATTEMPT to do ANYTHING in the 4th. So how can Kobe have locked him down? Kobe wasn't playing ball denial or anything, Lawson just shrank from the moment and didn't wanna drive in against the trees. Additionally, Miller had the ball for much of the 4th.

Waiting for these Kobe stans to put up or shut up. I want to see a SINGLE play where Lawson attempted to do anything scoring-wise and Kobe stayed in front of him, challenged his shot or forced him into a bad shot, forced a TO, or anything of the sort.

[Stern]

Will be interesting to see if Kobe is going to guard Tony Parker throughout the whole series or just in short spurts.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I love how Kobe stans ignore that Afflalo played really well against Kobe tonight. Where was the defense there?

I did think Kobe did a good job on Lawson on the pick and roll in the 4th though...but again having two bigs backing you up against a guy that can't shoot that well helps a lot. When both bigs were in tonight I thought the Lakers played really good half court defense. It was transition that allowed Lawson to get going in the first place.

Good point. Afflalo was able to get his field goal percentage out of the .300s for the playoffs by his awesome 15 pt performance tonight.

[DMAVS41]

Nice try...

No, this is all just a derail attempt to ignore a bad performance by Kobe and ignore that Gasol was the reason to this win and act like Kobes occasional defensive effort on Lawson was the reason to them winning this game.....

Dont sit there and act like im hating on Kobe, its YOU who im hating on... he didnt have a good game tonight, stop with the excuses, its Gasol who deserved a thread from you tonight.... stop being Kobetards and be LAKER FANS...

Have to agree with this. The standards for Kobe in these games are absurdly low. If Blake and Gasol and World Peace don't play great...the Lakers lose. Nothing wrong with that, but trying to attribute Kobe with anything more than a slightly below average game is silly.

Kobe was tired and didn't have much lift at all. I give him credit for not jacking up a lot of bad shots...but it was what it was. Lakers lose tonight if Kobe doesn't get a ton of help.

[Zedja]

Nice try...

No, this is all just a derail attempt to ignore a bad performance by Kobe and ignore that Gasol was the reason to this win and act like Kobes occasional defensive effort on Lawson was the reason to them winning this game.....

Dont sit there and act like im hating on Kobe, its YOU who im hating on... he didnt have a good game tonight, stop with the excuses, its Gasol who deserved a thread from you tonight.... stop being Kobetards and be LAKER FANS...
LOL Shut the f*ck up. You're mad like crazy the Lakers won tonight. Yes Gasol played well tonight. We all know that. But to say that Kobe played bad tonight? You kidding me? He played to perfection for the team. Passing the ball to the open man. How perfect could he have played for the team? Get that LeBron c0ck outta your mouth and worry about your own players.

[Heavincent]

Nice try...

No, this is all just a derail attempt to ignore a bad performance by Kobe and ignore that Gasol was the reason to this win and act like Kobes occasional defensive effort on Lawson was the reason to them winning this game.....

Dont sit there and act like im hating on Kobe, its YOU who im hating on... he didnt have a good game tonight, stop with the excuses, its Gasol who deserved a thread from you tonight.... stop being Kobetards and be LAKER FANS...

You're a ****ing moron dude, he was getting hard double teams the entire ****ing game :oldlol: Do you guys just simply read the box scores or something? Dumb ass stat whores. He opened up the entire offense tonight and played fantastic D on Lawson in the fourth quarter.

Kobe played a pretty decent game tonight. Only raunchy haters would say otherwise.

[RazorBaLade]

Can anyone show me a single clip of Kobe's lockdown defense on Lawson? Lawson didnt even ATTEMPT to do ANYTHING in the 4th. So how can Kobe have locked him down? Kobe wasn't playing ball denial or anything, Lawson just shrank from the moment and didn't wanna drive in against the trees. Additionally, Miller had the ball for much of the 4th.

Waiting for these Kobe stans to put up or shut up. I want to see a SINGLE play where Lawson attempted to do anything scoring-wise and Kobe stayed in front of him, challenged his shot or forced him into a bad shot, forced a TO, or anything of the sort.

I don't know if anyone is going to care enough to do it but I remember a play where he really tried to drive in and kobe just blocked him off like 4 times in one play. Just saying I know it happened.

[DMAVS41]

Good point. Afflalo was able to get his field goal percentage out of the .300s for the playoffs by his awesome 15 pt performance tonight.

Did I say anything about a previous game? Nope. I merely said Afflalo scored well against Kobe tonight. That is all.

Do you dispute that?

[Bladers]

The game slowed down. Did you watch the game? The Nuggets got down huge because the offense was terrible in the half court. Then the Nuggets got out and ran and Lawson got going in transition.

Then the game changed again to slowing down in the 4th and the Nuggets/Lawson struggled as expected like they always do when the game slows down.

This is my problem with Kobe stans. You want to attribute only good things to him. What about Afflalo playing well against Kobe tonight? Where was his defense there?

You guys just have to reach so much. Another huge game for the Lakers and another game in which its Gasol and another role player that make the difference. Funny how that works.

Really Afflalo has sunk it up the entire series and had one good game... He was shooting like 30% for the series before today. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Try again son. :oldlol:

[BallsOut]

Can anyone show me a single clip of Kobe's lockdown defense on Lawson? Lawson didnt even ATTEMPT to do ANYTHING in the 4th. So how can Kobe have locked him down? Kobe wasn't playing ball denial or anything, Lawson just shrank from the moment and didn't wanna drive in against the trees. Additionally, Miller had the ball for much of the 4th.

Waiting for these Kobe stans to put up or shut up. I want to see a SINGLE play where Lawson attempted to do anything scoring-wise and Kobe stayed in front of him, challenged his shot or forced him into a bad shot, forced a TO, or anything of the sort.

:biggums: Honestly, I have to ask, are you blind? Lawson clearly tried to penetrate against Kobe at least 3 times in the 4th quarter but to no avail because he couldn't get by him and was forced to pick up his dribble every single time.

[bdreason]

I can think of at least twice where Kobe stayed in front of Lawson all the way into the paint, and forced him to pass once, and shoot a borderline airball the other time.


Once the game is posted on youtube, I'll be happy to post them for you Loki.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Can anyone show me a single clip of Kobe's lockdown defense on Lawson? Lawson didnt even ATTEMPT to do ANYTHING in the 4th. So how can Kobe have locked him down? Kobe wasn't playing ball denial or anything, Lawson just shrank from the moment and didn't wanna drive in against the trees. Additionally, Miller had the ball for much of the 4th.

Waiting for these Kobe stans to put up or shut up. I want to see a SINGLE play where Lawson attempted to do anything scoring-wise and Kobe stayed in front of him, challenged his shot or forced him into a bad shot, forced a TO, or anything of the sort.


Pau & Bynum respond. Steve Blake & Metta World Peace come up big. Kobe hushes Ty Lawson w/his fourth-quarter D. And (wow) it's barely enough

https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNSteinLine/status/201541477216686080

@haralabob Game completely shifted when Kobe switched over to Lawson, and the Laker O started to operate in delayed transition.

https://twitter.com/#!/KDonhoops/status/201540950210777088

Of all the terrific defense played by Lakers tonite, most important was Kobe switching on Ty Lawson in 4th, cooling him off.

https://twitter.com/#!/RealSkipBayless/status/201546317896491008

:confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

Really Afflalo has sunk it up the entire series and had one good game... He was shooting like 30% for the series before today. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Try again son. :oldlol:

What do previous games have to do with a comment about Afflalo's play tonight?

[BallsOut]

What do previous games have to do with a comment about Afflalo's play tonight?

What does Affalo have to do with this thread? Read the title and quit trolling please, Affalo is a shooting guard :hammerhead:

[SlayerEnraged]

Nice try...

No, this is all just a derail attempt to ignore a bad performance by Kobe and ignore that Gasol was the reason to this win and act like Kobes occasional defensive effort on Lawson was the reason to them winning this game.....

Dont sit there and act like im hating on Kobe, its YOU who im hating on... he didnt have a good game tonight, stop with the excuses, its Gasol who deserved a thread from you tonight.... stop being Kobetards and be LAKER FANS...

Pauk U are the absolute biggest moron in the world. I wonder who's play made them have to play 7 games to win? :rolleyes: The whole focus was on Bynum and Gasol cause they played like BALLS the other games. If The Lakers woulda came out normal and not been so emphasized on Bynum and Gasol Kobe woulda had a big game and then u'd have a lame excuse why Kobe dominated....

[NuggetsFan]

I guess where I'm confused is since when was Lawson a guy who needed to be clamped? Has anybody actually watched Denver this year. It's not like Lawson is a guy who was going to take 12 shots in the 4th and try to win it for Denver. Denver was going to win or lose as a team.

Like I said Lawson attempted 3 shots in the 4th tonight. Miller had the ball in his hands far more. Lawson is 5'10 .. he can't shoot over guy's.

If Kobe never switched over to him Lawson probably takes 1 or 2 more shots and hits one or two of them. It was completely in the realm of possibility that Lawson went scoreless in the 4th with or without Kobe on him is my point I guess :confusedshrug:

[JM720]

yeah he played great D on him in the forth. props to him.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Did I say anything about a previous game? Nope. I merely said Afflalo scored well against Kobe tonight. That is all.

Do you dispute that?

Scored well compared to being humiliated for the entirety of the series? He had like 10 pts by the 4th quarter. :confusedshrug:

[KG215]

I think if Kobe spends a minimum of four straight games trying to defend Westbrook most of the game, he's going to be dead by the third or fourth game. He and Mike Brown will definitely have to pick their spots when putting putting Kobe on Westbrook.

[NuggetsFan]

yeah he played great D on him in the forth. props to him.

He did play good D on him. In no way am I saying he didn't or it wasn't important.

Lawson just isn't Russel Westbrook. What happened tonight in the 4th quarter happened all the time in the regular season and through out games. All year it's been about Lawson having to attack more, Lawson has said it himself, Karl's said it all year etc.

[SlayerEnraged]

What do previous games have to do with a comment about Afflalo's play tonight?

Kobe might not be the best defensive tactic person but defense is all about gettin the miss...Kobe opponents sure do have a tough time putting it in. That's why Sefelosha who was average about 18ppg on 50% stunk vs Kobe and the lakers for a majority of th series.

[Batz]

If Kobe never switched over to him Lawson probably takes 1 or 2 more shots and hits one or two of them. It was completely in the realm of possibility that Lawson went scoreless in the 4th with or without Kobe on him is my point I guess :confusedshrug:
I can't emphasize enough how stupid this post is.

Lawson demolishes this team. And was until Kobe stepped up and guarded him. Me and brother watched closely tonight and Kobe's effort and defensive focus was off the charts in those final minutes and so were everyone else, the rotations were dead on. Lawson wasn't scoring because didn't want to, he didn't score because this team finally realized that it just takes effort to contain him. And Kobe played a HUGE damn role in that. Don't you forget it.

[BallsOut]

I think if Kobe spends a minimum of four straight games trying to defend Westbrook most of the game, he's going to be dead by the third or fourth game. He and Mike Brown will definitely have to pick their spots when putting putting Kobe on Westbrook.

I'm guessing you weren't around when the Lakers faced off with the Thunder in the playoffs a few seasons ago. :confusedshrug:

[bwink23]

You dumb asses talking like Lawson is some kind of 4th quarter go-to guy.....:lol

When the game slows to a half-court grind in the 4th, guys like Lawson are at their worst...Kobe "putting the clamps" on Lawson is BEYOND LAUGHABLE.

[JM720]

He did play good D on him. In no way am I saying he didn't or it wasn't important.

Lawson just isn't Russel Westbrook. What happened tonight in the 4th quarter happened all the time in the regular season and through out games. All year it's been about Lawson having to attack more, Lawson has said it himself, Karl's said it all year etc.

Talk about this game, and how he was going off before the switch. Which is what mattered most.

Some of you guys really have a hard time giving people credit.

[chazzy]

You dumb asses talking like Lawson is some kind of 4th quarter go-to guy.....:lol

When the game slows to a half-court grind in the 4th, guys like Lawson are at their worst...Kobe "putting the clamps" on Lawson is BEYOND LAUGHABLE.
He was killing us in pick n roll, what series have you been watching?

So Lawson has scored 25, 25, 32, and 24 in 3Q all from transition? And only when Kobe is on him does he remember that there are two bigs behind him and he gets scared? lmao

[Batz]

He was killing us in pick n roll, what series have you been watching?
All it took was one pick, and 2-3 points are up on the boards. Kobe FOUGHT through those screens. And I shed a tear when I saw Bynum actually hedge for once.

[Indian guy]

Who boasts about defense on a guy who averages 16 ppg? And it's not like he was having some awesome series. Came into Game 7 averaging 18 ppg.

[chazzy]

I've seen some of the worst excuses and attempts at deflection in this thread from the usual people. "But the bigs!! He was scared of the moment! Bynum's so big and scary! But guys what about Afflalo matching his season average??!??!"

[RazorBaLade]

Who boasts about defense on a guy who averages 16 ppg? And it's not like he was having some awesome series. Came into Game 7 averaging 18 ppg.

He's had some ridiculous games the last few tho. His PPG is deceiving because of his first game.

[bwink23]

He was killing us in pick n roll, what series have you been watching?

So Lawson has scored 25, 25, 32, and 24 in 3Q all from transition? And only when Kobe is on him does he remember that there are two bigs behind him and he gets scared? lmao


If you really think Kobe has the foot-speed to stay in front of Lawson 20 feet from the basket.....You're even more of a blind Kobe homer than i thought....

:coleman:

[NuggetsFan]

I can't emphasize enough how stupid this post is.

Lawson demolishes this team. And was until Kobe stepped up and guarded him. Me and brother watched closely tonight and Kobe's effort and defensive focus was off the charts in those final minutes and so were everyone else, the rotations were dead on. Lawson wasn't scoring because didn't want to, he didn't score because this team finally realized that it just takes effort to contain him. And Kobe played a HUGE damn role in that. Don't you forget it.

I don't think Ty Lawson has scored more than 6 points in the 4th quarter the entire series. I'm almost positive in a few of the games he's scored like 3ish points in the 4th. I know the one game the only points he had in the 4th was a 2 point layup that coulda been when the game was pretty much sealed.

Ty Lawson wasn't going to take 10 shots in the 4th and explode no matter who was guarding him. He wasn't. It's not arguable. When the game slows down in the halfcourt he struggles. He doesn't have the size to shoot over guy's.

I repeat myself once again. He took 3 shots tonight in the 4th not counting the 3 pointer with 26 seconds left and the game was over. Had one assist and two offensive boards. Andre Miller clearly handled the ball a good chunk of the 4th.

It's actually hilarious how people are viewing Lawson now :oldlol:

[chazzy]

Who boasts about defense on a guy who averages 16 ppg? And it's not like he was having some awesome series. Came into Game 7 averaging 18 ppg.
He's scored 25, 25, 31 last game and had 24 in 3Q this game. Try again

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You dumb asses talking like Lawson is some kind of 4th quarter go-to guy.....:lol

When the game slows to a half-court grind in the 4th, guys like Lawson are at their worst...Kobe "putting the clamps" on Lawson is BEYOND LAUGHABLE.

Ty Lawson was 0 for 5 in the 4th quarter.

24 for 32 the previous 7 quarters.

He was on pace for his second consecutive 30+ game.

:confusedshrug:

[chazzy]

If you really think Kobe has the foot-speed to stay in front of Lawson 20 feet from the basket.....You're even more of a blind Kobe homer than i thought....

:coleman:
Did Lawson blow by him? You guys are discussing this as if this is a hypothetical on paper.

[Doranku]

Who boasts about defense on a guy who averages 16 ppg? And it's not like he was having some awesome series. Came into Game 7 averaging 18 ppg.

You're right. I guess we shouldn't boast about Marion's defense on LeBron in the finals either, then. :roll:

[BallsOut]

Who boasts about defense on a guy who averages 16 ppg? And it's not like he was having some awesome series. Came into Game 7 averaging 18 ppg.

Factor in the 24pts in the first 3 quarters too. Don't leave it out because it fits your agenda better. That makes it 18.86 ppg, good for highest scorer for the Nuggets.

I think it's pretty pivotal for a guy to shut down the opposing team's best scorer to help his team win, wouldn't you agree?

[chazzy]

It's not that hard to give him some credit guys, it's gonna be ok

[bwink23]

Did Lawson blow by him? You guys are discussing this as if this is a hypothetical on paper.


PLAAAAA EASE!!!

If not for a sagging defense collapsing on the paint, Lawson would take Kobe's lunch money time and time again....Kobe isn't EVEN CLOSE to being quick enough to stay in front of him....:no:

[RazorBaLade]

PLAAAAA EASE!!!

If not for a sagging defense collapsing on the paint, Lawson would take Kobe's lunch money time and time again....Kobe isn't EVEN CLOSE to being quick enough to stay in front of him....:no:

But why was he raping us up until that point?

[Heavincent]

If you really think Kobe has the foot-speed to stay in front of Lawson 20 feet from the basket.....You're even more of a blind Kobe homer than i thought....

:coleman:

If you watched the game, you would have seen that Kobe did stay in front of Lawson 20 feet from the basket. Nobody's making this shit up you delusional moron.

But go ahead, keep living in your little fantasy world.

[Bladers]

Who boasts about defense on a guy who averages 16 ppg? And it's not like he was having some awesome series. Came into Game 7 averaging 18 ppg.

Really? he had 32 in 3 quarters in game 6 and 24 in 3 quarters in game 7 and shooting 70% before Kobe got on him 70%!

[NuggetsFan]

He was killing us in pick n roll, what series have you been watching?

So Lawson has scored 25, 25, 32, and 24 in 3Q all from transition? And only when Kobe is on him does he remember that there are two bigs behind him and he gets scared? lmao

What about the one game where he only scored 2 points in the 4th? Who locked him up than?

Denver isn't L.A. Were not Miami. Were not New York. Our offense is built on running and getting hot. In the 3rd quarter we ran and Lawson excelled. L.A slowed the game down and Lawson became passive and less aggressive which he's done 100000's of times in his career.

Lawson attempted over 20 shots ONCE the entire season. He wasn't going into that 4th quarter trying to be "the man"

Kobe played good defense .. no question. Def helped out. Def bugged Lawson. In this thread you have people trying to make it into something it's not tho. That's all.

[BallsOut]

PLAAAAA EASE!!!

If not for a sagging defense collapsing on the paint, Lawson would take Kobe's lunch money time and time again....Kobe isn't EVEN CLOSE to being quick enough to stay in front of him....:no:

Your logic certainly explains Lawson's 24pt in the first 3 quarters when Kobe wasn't guarding him. I'm sure the sagging defense collapsing in the paint was constant throughout the game. Kobe was the difference in the 4th.

Denial, apparently it ain't just a river in Egypt. :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

If you watched the game, you would have seen that Kobe did stay in front of Lawson 20 feet from the basket. Nobody's making this shit up you delusional moron.

But go ahead, keep living in your little fantasy world.


Don't bother with that guy. He claimed the other day that players never flopped in the 80's and 90's. :oldlol:

[Doranku]

Why can't people just watch the games? I don't understand. Like NuggetsFan bringing up the game where Lawson only had two points in the 4th. Like, what does that have to do with what happened tonight?

Anyone who actually WATCHED the game and acknowledges what happened during it could see that Kobe was hounding Lawson all 4th quarter. Fought over screens beautifully (something Kobe NEVER does anymore), never got burnt on a crossover, never got blown by, was attached to Lawson the entire time.

It was picture perfect defense.

[NuggetsFan]

Does this mean Lawson has moved up the ISH's rankings? Cause that would actually be awesome. People were leaving him off top 10 PG lists in the season. I actually think BDreason said there was 15 PG you could argue that were better than Lawson?

Only thing that sucks is people will give Kobe credit for "locking him up" but nobody is going to give Lawson credit for being a player that needs to be locked up in 2-3 weeks.

[Bladers]

He was killing us in pick n roll, what series have you been watching?

So Lawson has scored 25, 25, 32, and 24 in 3Q all from transition? And only when Kobe is on him does he remember that there are two bigs behind him and he gets scared? lmao

stop doing them wrong chazzy. stop. :roll: :roll:

[Bladers]

Ty Lawson was 0 for 5 in the 4th quarter.

24 for 32 the previous 7 quarters.

He was on pace for his second consecutive 30+ game.

:confusedshrug:

why you got to drop stats saying he shot 75% son. stop it. stats are for nerds.

[RazorBaLade]

Does this mean Lawson has moved up the ISH's rankings? Cause that would actually be awesome. People were leaving him off top 10 PG lists in the season. I actually think BDreason said there was 15 PG you could argue that were better than Lawson?

Only thing that sucks is people will give Kobe credit for "locking him up" but nobody is going to give Lawson credit for being a player that needs to be locked up in 2-3 weeks.

He's great, Ill give you Bynum for him, faried and another player in the offseason. Any offers?

[BallsOut]

Does this mean Lawson has moved up the ISH's rankings? Cause that would actually be awesome. People were leaving him off top 10 PG lists in the season. I actually think BDreason said there was 15 PG you could argue that were better than Lawson?

Only thing that sucks is people will give Kobe credit for "locking him up" but nobody is going to give Lawson credit for being a player that needs to be locked up in 2-3 weeks.

It's not that Lawson is a top 10 PG, but against this Laker team, every PG is a top 10 PG, because of their horrible pick n roll defense and spotty point guard defense (despite losing Derek Fisher, their worst PG defender).

[Bladers]

You're right. I guess we shouldn't boast about Marion's defense on LeBron in the finals either, then. :roll:

Low blow.

Such disgraceful act. :oldlol:

[Doranku]

Does this mean Lawson has moved up the ISH's rankings? Cause that would actually be awesome. People were leaving him off top 10 PG lists in the season. I actually think BDreason said there was 15 PG you could argue that were better than Lawson?

Only thing that sucks is people will give Kobe credit for "locking him up" but nobody is going to give Lawson credit for being a player that needs to be locked up in 2-3 weeks.

He was phenomenal against us for the majority of the series, there's no question about that. But he was being guarded by Sessions and Steve Blake. I didn't watch the Nuggets during the regular season, and I doubt anyone else outside of Nuggets fans did either.

So they're going to see what he did this series and probably say, "yeah wow, this guy is a baller!" And they're right. He played a great playoff series. But keep in mind he was being guarded by trash defenders all series long.

[chazzy]

Does this mean Lawson has moved up the ISH's rankings? Cause that would actually be awesome. People were leaving him off top 10 PG lists in the season. I actually think BDreason said there was 15 PG you could argue that were better than Lawson?

Only thing that sucks is people will give Kobe credit for "locking him up" but nobody is going to give Lawson credit for being a player that needs to be locked up in 2-3 weeks.
Lawson was great and showed no fear. As a young PG with little playoff experience, he really impressed me with his poise and confidence. He saw mismatches and exploited them, followed the gameplan well.

[NuggetsFan]

Why can't people just watch the games? I don't understand. Like NuggetsFan bringing up the game where Lawson only had two points in the 4th. Like, what does that have to do with what happened tonight?

Anyone who actually WATCHED the game and acknowledges what happened during it could see that Kobe was hounding Lawson all 4th quarter. Fought over screens beautifully (something Kobe NEVER does anymore), never got burnt on a crossover, never got blown by, was attached to Lawson the entire time.

It was picture perfect defense.

I just don't understand why people can't realize how Ty Lawson plays I guess. Denver plays team ball. Everybody always turns everything into f*cking star players this, individuals that. That's not Denver. No matter who was guarding Ty Lawson in the 4th there's a great chance he doesn't go off. He's attempted over 20 shots once the entire season.

People completely ignore the fact that Miller took the ball out of his hands too.

It's not like I have an agenda. I don't hate Kobe, already said he played VERY good defense. Already said he bugged Lawson in the 4th. Just pisses me off everybody always turns shit into individual type things. Lawson attempted 3 shots in the 4th quarter. Kobe played GREAT defense and didn't allow Lawson to score on any of those shots. That's it. That's not locking somebody up to me, that's playing good defense.

[BallsOut]

He was phenomenal against us for the majority of the series, there's no question about that. But he was being guarded by Sessions and Steve Blake. I didn't watch the Nuggets during the regular season, and I doubt anyone else outside of Nuggets fans did either.

So they're going to see what he did this series and probably say, "yeah wow, this guy is a baller!" And they're right. He played a great playoff series. But keep in mind he was being guarded by trash defenders all series long.

It's not that Sessions and Blake are trash defenders (not saying they're good), but in a pick in roll situation it takes at least 2 players (the guard and the big) to defend. Bynum and Gasol are two of the worst pick n roll /hedge defenders in the league. Fisher was awful, but losing him and still playing bad against pick n roll teams shows that the Lakers pick n roll offense ends with Bynum/Gasol inability to play it properly.

[Batz]

It's not that Sessions and Blake are trash defenders (not saying they're good), but in a pick in roll situation it takes at least 2 players (the guard and the big) to defend. Bynum and Gasol are two of the worst pick n roll /hedge defenders in the league. Fisher was bad, but losing him showed that the Lakers pick n roll offense ends with Bynum/Gasol inability to play it properly.
Bynum never hedges, Gasol always over-hedges. What a ****ing combo.

[PyrrhusX]

Time for Westbrook and Harden to shine.

[NuggetsFan]

Somebody getting locked up is LeBron James in that finals. If Lawson came out into the 4th and was aggressive and looked to try and score consistently through out it and the the outcome was the same than I would agree 100% but he didn't.

I agree 100% with Kobe playing very good d, bugging Lawson. What I don't agree with is shutting him down, because there was nothing to shut down. Lawson goes on little offensive spurts and brang us back in the game. He wasn't going to score 40 points like a Westbrook or Kobe would. Simply isn't aggressive enough nor would he attempt that many shots.

It's not like Denver ISO's Lawson. Miller had the ball more than he did in the 4th too so it's not like he could have ran 100 P&R's or something.

[Doranku]

I just don't understand why people can't realize how Ty Lawson plays I guess. Denver plays team ball. Everybody always turns everything into f*cking star players this, individuals that. That's not Denver. No matter who was guarding Ty Lawson in the 4th there's a great chance he doesn't go off. He's attempted over 20 shots once the entire season.

People completely ignore the fact that Miller took the ball out of his hands too.

It's not like I have an agenda. I don't hate Kobe, already said he played VERY good defense. Already said he bugged Lawson in the 4th. Just pisses me off everybody always turns shit into individual type things. Lawson attempted 3 shots in the 4th quarter. Kobe played GREAT defense and didn't allow Lawson to score on any of those shots. That's it. That's not locking somebody up to me, that's playing good defense.

Lawson actually attempted 5 shots in the 4th quarter I believe. But I see your point.

People turn things into 1 on 1 superstar stuff because history tells us that's what wins championships. Lawson is a terrific player, but on that team he NEEDS to be the guy that starts demanding the ball and taking the reigns offensively.

I see what you're saying about Miller, though. Dude was playing like an asshole and it honestly looked like he was freezing Lawson out on a couple plays. Just not smart basketball when Lawson was the guy who pretty much single handedly brought the Nuggets back from down 17.

[Batz]

Somebody getting locked up is LeBron James in that finals. If Lawson came out into the 4th and was aggressive and looked to try and score consistently through out it and the the outcome was the same than I would agree 100% but he didn't.

He did try and... score... Man, **** you. Seriously.

[Bladers]

Somebody getting locked up is LeBron James in that finals. If Lawson came out into the 4th and was aggressive and looked to try and score consistently through out it and the the outcome was the same than I would agree 100% but he didn't.

I agree 100% with Kobe playing very good d, bugging Lawson. What I don't agree with is shutting him down, because there was nothing to shut down. Lawson goes on little offensive spurts and brang us back in the game. He wasn't going to score 40 points like a Westbrook or Kobe would. Simply isn't aggressive enough nor would he attempt that many shots.

It's not like Denver ISO's Lawson. Miller had the ball more than he did in the 4th too so it's not like he could have ran 100 P&R's or something.

They took out miller with 5 mins left in the 4th.... :coleman:

Fail again? :lol

[chazzy]

It's not that Sessions and Blake are trash defenders (not saying they're good), but in a pick in roll situation it takes at least 2 players (the guard and the big) to defend. Bynum and Gasol are two of the worst pick n roll /hedge defenders in the league. Fisher was awful, but losing him and still playing bad against pick n roll teams shows that the Lakers pick n roll offense ends with Bynum/Gasol inability to play it properly.
Really looking forward to Westbrook/Harden pick n rolls next...

[Batz]

Really looking forward to Westbrook/Harden pick n rolls next...
I don't see Lakers even touching Harden. It's ridiculous how much that guy owns the Lakers, and other teams in general and he is the guy on offense.

[NuggetsFan]

They took out miller with 5 mins left in the 4th.... :coleman:

Fail again? :lol

Crazy how he somehow fouled somebody with under 2 minutes left than huh. Or had an offensive rebound with 25 seconds left. Or assisted an Al Harrington 3 with 10 minutes in the quarter. Or had that 3 point play that tied the game up at 78 points with under 7 to go.

He came out with 5:39 seconds left. Came back in the game with 3:40 seconds left. Do the math champ. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Your pushing something that isn't there

:facepalm

[bwink23]

Crazy how he somehow fouled somebody with under 2 minutes left than huh. Or had an offensive rebound with 25 seconds left. Or assisted an Al Harrington 3 with 10 minutes in the quarter. Or had that 3 point play that tied the game up at 78 points with under 7 to go.

He came out with 5:39 seconds left. Came back in the game with 3:40 seconds left. Do the math champ. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Your pushing something that isn't there

:facepalm

Bladers is always pushing Kobe's fudge. Kobe could dump on the floor, and Bladers would think it's good strategy cuz it's Kobe's dump.

[Rojogaqu11]

I'm just hoping we see a Coach Nick's analysis video of this game.

[INDI]

Seriously. It's hysterical to see Kobe fans laud his "defense" on Lawson tonight, talking about how he stepped up to the challenge. :oldlol: I guess he just didn't wanna guard Lawson through the first 43 minutes when he was killing LA. And Lawson was simply hesitant to drive against LA's huge front line in the 4th, but they're acting like Kobe did a blanket job on him in terms of ball denial or staying in front of him on the drive when this wasnt the case at all - Lawson was just EXTREMELY passive in the 4th due to LA's size inside. He didn't even try to MAKE any moves to GIVE Kobe a chance to play good D on him. That's what makes all this talk so hysterical. :oldlol:


Did the lakers frontline grow in the 4th quarter???????? Humanly possible but highly unlikely.......

You say he was reluctant to drive when he drove on them all game all series.


So either Kobe played good D or the lakers grew a couple of inches in the 4th

[BallsOut]

For those who didn't watch the game and only looked at the box score today, let it be known.

[RaininTwos]

He made life difficult for Lawson, but I think that Lawson really didn't do what he was supposed to do. He kept trying to get a switch instead of attacking. He was reacting to what Kobe was doing instead of the other way around which is why he was held scoreless in the 4th. I'm not trying piss on Kobe's efforts, he really played some good D, but Ty should've stayed aggressive, he was penetrating with the intention of passing instead of just reading the play during the 4th quarter. He could have shot so many floaters instead of being hesitant and passing it out to Al Harrington to brick multiple threes.

[BallsOut]

He made life difficult for Lawson, but I think that Lawson really didn't do what he was supposed to do. He kept trying to get a switch instead of attacking. He was reacting to what Kobe was doing instead of the other way around which is why he was held scoreless in the 4th. I'm not trying piss on Kobe's efforts, he really played some good D, but Ty should've stayed aggressive, he was penetrating with the intention of passing instead of just reading the play during the 4th quarter. He could have shot so many floaters instead of being hesitant and passing it out to Al Harrington to brick multiple threes.

Incorrect. Lawson tried to take Kobe to the hole on at least 3 separate occasions in the 4th quarter, all to no avail. Kobe was right in front of him from the 3pt line to the paint forcing him to pick up his dribble and kick it back out.

[KG215]

I'm guessing you weren't around when the Lakers faced off with the Thunder in the playoffs a few seasons ago. :confusedshrug:

And apparently you still have realized Kobe is two years older now.

[BallsOut]

And apparently you still have realized Kobe is two years older now.

And apparently Kobe, at 33, still holds Westbrook to 3-22 shooting in their last meeting when he took the defensive assignment. :confusedshrug:

[RaininTwos]

Incorrect. Lawson tried to take Kobe to the hole on at least 3 separate occasions in the 4th quarter, all to no avail. Kobe was right in front of him from the 3pt line to the paint forcing him to pick up his dribble and kick it back out.

How am I incorrect? I was watching the game and there were a couple plays where lawson came around the pick penetrated, had Kobe on his hip and didn't even attempt to score. I understand that he was trying to set up his teammates but the best play was to take a shot at the rim. He was in the paint and could have gotten a foul call or a bucket. It's not like the Nuggets were moving off the ball at all down the stretch anyways.

[BallsOut]

How am I incorrect? I was watching the game and there were a couple plays where lawson came around the pick penetrated, had Kobe on his hip and didn't even attempt to score. I understand that he was trying to set up his teammates but the best play was to take a shot at the rim. He was in the paint and could have gotten a foul call or a bucket. It's not like the Nuggets were moving off the ball at all down the stretch anyways.

Lawson didn't attempt to score because he would've got his stuff swatted. Kobe is a good 6 inches taller than him and was right there. He had no room or angle to take any type of shot.

[RaininTwos]

Lawson didn't attempt to score because he would've got his stuff swatted. Kobe is a good 6 inches taller than him and was right there. He had no room or angle to take any type of shot.

If someone is on your hip in the paint, you have room to take a shot.... I've seen so many PG's make a bucket in that situation.

[L8k3r5]

Way to cover up a bad performance by Kobe where he got carried by Gasol...
:kobe:
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
I seriously have lost all hope for you...

[BallsOut]

If someone is on your hip in the paint, you have room to take a shot.... I've seen so many PG's make a bucket in that situation.

I don't know what you mean by on your hip, but Kobe was definitely in front of Lawson at all times. Go back and watch the game again.

[tmacattack33]

Yup, definitely didn't watch the game. Did you not see when Lawson tried to drive it on Kobe, but Kobe just stayed in front of him and he had no choice but to pass it back out because of Kobe's D?

Stop arguing with facts.

Yup, I saw that one play. But the OP thinks this happened like 20 times in the 4th.

It happened once. Most of the other time Lawson was playing off picks and thus it was team defense on him not one on one defense.

I also like how the OP didn't mention Afflalo continually driving on Kobe in the first three quarters.

[BallsOut]

Yup, I saw that one play. But the OP thinks this happened like 20 times in the 4th.

It happened once.

I also like how the OP didn't mention Afflalo continually driving on Kobe in the first three quarters.

It happened at least 3 times. Go back and watch the game again, being a kobe hater, you probably were so upset after the 1st time that you turned the game off which would explain why you think it only happened once.

[Heavincent]

It happened at least 3 times. Go back and watch the game again, being a kobe hater, you probably were so upset after the 1st time that you turned it off which would explain why you think it only happened once.

Yep. I just watched the rerun on NBA TV and it happened multiple times.

[tmacattack33]

Oh, and here's a similar quarters 1-3 vs quarter 4 stat to the one the OP mentioned.


Afflalo was 5-7 in the first three quarters (with Kobe on him) no turnovers.

Afflalo was 1-4 with his only turnover of the game in the 4th quarter.

[RazorBaLade]

Oh, and here's a similar quarters 1-3 vs quarter 4 stat to the one the OP mentioned.


Afflalo was 5-7 in the first three quarters (with Kobe on him) no turnovers.

Afflalo was 1-4 with his only turnover of the game in the 4th quarter.

Afflalo was playing off picks though so really it was team defense and the bigs. Can't have it both ways buddy, kobe locked down lawson in the 4th

[BallsOut]

Oh, and here's a similar quarters 1-3 vs quarter 4 stat to the one the OP mentioned.


Afflalo was 5-7 in the first three quarters (with Kobe on him) no turnovers.

Afflalo was 1-4 with his only turnover of the game in the 4th quarter.

Read the thread title, Affalo is a shooting guard. As I already stated, quit trolling DMAVS41.

[tmacattack33]

Afflalo was playing off picks though so really it was team defense and the bigs. Can't have it both ways buddy, kobe locked down lawson in the 4th

No. Afflalo had Kobe on him and burned him multiple times in quarters 1-3.

In the fourth, he did absolutely nothing.


I also forgot to mention that Afflalo's 3 assists came in quarters 1-3 as well.

[tmacattack33]

Read the thread title, Affalo is a shooting guard. As I already stated, quit trolling DMAVS41.

Yes, because your argument is that Kobe is somehow a better defender on PG's than he is on his natural position that is SG?

Great. So he's not that great of a SG defender, despite that being his usual position. Thank you for your thoughts.

[RazorBaLade]

No. Afflalo had Kobe on him and burned him multiple times in quarters 1-3.

In the fourth, he did absolutely nothing.


I also forgot to mention that Afflalo's 3 assists came in quarters 1-3 as well.

I don't understand how you can say afflalo burned him in quarters 1-3 but kobe didn't stop lawson in the 4th.

The truth is btw, if u watched the game, that kobe played good D on afflalo. Besides one open 3 in the 3rd they were all contested, but sometimes they just go in. Afflalo played well, good offense > good defense.. But afflalo shied away from the moment giving kobe a chance to guard someone who wasn't afraid of winning the game and this time good defense won out.

[BallsOut]

Yes, because your argument is that Kobe is somehow a better defender on PG's than he is on his natural position that is SG?

Great. So he's not that great of a SG defender, despite that being his usual position. Thank you for your thoughts.

Anytime, now go make a thread about Kobe defending SGs and quit trolling mine. kthxbye

[Calabis]

Afflalo was playing off picks though so really it was team defense and the bigs. Can't have it both ways buddy, kobe locked down lawson in the 4th

:facepalm

Its obvious why so many people think u have no basketball sense...most of Lawsons damage came in transition, before the Lakers could get set on defense and several times him blowing by Gasol or Bynum, who were left on him in high pick and roll situations....its not hard to see that in the 4th quarter that Gasol rebounding/tip ins and shots made by the Lakers, prevented the Nuggets from running, which turned the game into a half court game...even if Lawson saw a crease, there were two towers behind Kobe...u'r retarded ass is hanging onto the fact, that Kobe stopped his penetration on one play...this is exactly why no one can stand Kobe fans...no credit to the great play of Gasol down the stretch or the great defense by Artest to control Miller the entire time...Kobe stopped Lawson on one play and now its that play that makes him MVP....:wtf: :biggums:

[RazorBaLade]

:facepalm

Its obvious why so many people think u have no basketball sense...most of Lawsons damage came in transition, before the Lakers could get set on defense and several times him blowing by Gasol or Bynum, who were left on him in high pick and roll situations....its not hard to see that in the 4th quarter that Gasol rebounding/tip ins and shots made by the Lakers, prevented the Nuggets from running, which turned the game into a half court game...even if Lawson saw a crease, there were two towers behind Kobe...u'r retarded ass is hanging onto the fact, that Kobe stopped his penetration on one play...this is exactly why no one can stand Kobe fans...no credit to the great play of Gasol down the stretch or the great defense by Artest to control Miller the entire time...Kobe stopped Lawson on one play and now its that play that makes him MVP....:wtf: :biggums:

thats a hell of a jump and one i dont agree with

[BallsOut]

:facepalm

Its obvious why so many people think u have no basketball sense...most of Lawsons damage came in transition, before the Lakers could get set on defense and several times him blowing by Gasol or Bynum, who were left on him in high pick and roll situations....its not hard to see that in the 4th quarter that Gasol rebounding/tip ins and shots made by the Lakers, prevented the Nuggets from running, which turned the game into a half court game...even if Lawson saw a crease, there were two towers behind Kobe...u'r retarded ass is hanging onto the fact, that Kobe stopped his penetration on one play...this is exactly why no one can stand Kobe fans...no credit to the great play of Gasol down the stretch or the great defense by Artest to control Miller the entire time...Kobe stopped Lawson on one play and now its that play that makes him MVP....:wtf: :biggums:

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. There were at least 3 separate occasions in the 4th where Kobe stopped Lawson's penetration and forced him to pick up his dribble in the paint, turn around and pass it back out.

[tmacattack33]

Anytime, now go make a thread about Kobe defending SGs and quit trolling mine. kthxbye

Okay sure. LOL.

[Calabis]

thats a hell of a jump and one i dont agree with

Its not a helluva jump...Kobe played a smart efficient game....I get that, but to act like his defense was so great and game changing is comical...also picking 10lb Steve Blake is a lot easier than picking Kobe in a half court set

[Calabis]

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. There were at least 3 separate occasions in the 4th where Kobe stopped Lawson's penetration and forced him to pick up his dribble in the paint, turn around and pass it back out.

:roll:

this mfer :facepalm

Its obvious u didn't watch the game, only once did Kobe do it without any legit help, any other times there was someone sitting there in the lane waiting on him

[BallsOut]

:roll:

this mfer :facepalm

Its obvious u didn't watch the game, only once did Kobe do it without any legit help, any other times there was someone sitting there in the lane waiting on him

And what difference does the 2 guys behind him make? Lawson couldn't even get by Kobe any time in the 4th.

Watch the game some time, it'll help get the clouds our of your judgement :confusedshrug:

[RazorBaLade]

Its not a helluva jump...Kobe played a smart efficient game....I get that, but to act like his defense was so great and game changing is comical...also picking 10lb Steve Blake is a lot easier than picking Kobe in a half court set

No one is saying he was the MVP.

His defense was good and it helped, stop making these ridiculous jumps like so great.. What does that even mean? Who's defense is ever "so great" in a 4th quarter? Is it holding someone to 0-10 shooting? What is so great?

[RazorBaLade]

:roll:

this mfer :facepalm

Its obvious u didn't watch the game, only once did Kobe do it without any legit help, any other times there was someone sitting there in the lane waiting on him

As there were when steve blake or sessions was in the game for the last 3 quarters and 6 games. Lawson only had 1 quarter in this series when he actually shot the ball and tried to be aggressive but didn't score much or at all, take a guess when that was.

We know kobe has the ability to take things away from PGs. He proves it all the time, he can't do it all year long or sometimes even all game long but he can do it. Just deal with it.

[Calabis]

And what difference does the 2 guys behind him make? Lawson couldn't even get by Kobe any time in the 4th.

Watch the game some time, it'll help get the clouds our of your judgement :confusedshrug:

:facepalm

How can someone claim they have superior basketball knowledge, yet say that shit bolded.....:wtf:

Because it takes away angles and lanes that may be present, it also lets the defender become more aggressive, knowing he has two 7 ft guys with 4+ blocks and ability to change shot trajectories, behind him....instead of watching the game, how about u go learn the game.....:facepalm

And please quit acting like Lawson had the ball 90% of the 4th quarter

[RazorBaLade]

:facepalm

How can someone claim they have superior basketball knowledge, yet say that shit bolded.....:wtf:

Because it takes away angles and lanes that may be present, it also lets the defender become more aggressive, knowing he has two 7 ft guys with 4+ blocks and ability to change shot trajectories, behind him....instead of watching the game, how about u go learn the game.....:facepalm

And please quit acting like Lawson had the ball 90% of the 4th quarter

Where was gasol and bynum the first 3 quarters? Lawson was 10-13 at one point.

[BallsOut]

:facepalm

How can someone claim they have superior basketball knowledge, yet say that shit bolded.....:wtf:

Because it takes away angles and lanes that may be present, it also lets the defender become more aggressive, knowing he has two 7 ft guys with 4+ blocks and ability to change shot trajectories, behind him....instead of watching the game, how about u go learn the game.....:facepalm

And please quit acting like Lawson had the ball 90% of the 4th quarter

First off, I never claimed i had superior basketball knowledge, nice strawman did you pull that out of your ass?

With that out of the way, explain Lawson's 24pt in the first 3 quarters. Bynum and Gasol were playing all of the quarters, but the only difference in the 4th quarter was Kobe stepped up to guard Lawson and he had 0pts in 12 minutes. It's not that hard to see if you actually watched the game. :confusedshrug:

[Whoah10115]

I'm not a Laker fan and Kobe is the best non-PG PG defender in the league.

He has amazing footwork and positioning. He also recovers well and challenges shots/passes well.




I'd agree. I wish he'd do it more consistently. When he wants, he's still about as good an on-ball defender as there is in the league.

[bwink23]

As there were when steve blake or sessions was in the game for the last 3 quarters and 6 games. Lawson only had 1 quarter in this series when he actually shot the ball and tried to be aggressive but didn't score much or at all, take a guess when that was.

We know kobe has the ability to take things away from PGs. He proves it all the time, he can't do it all year long or sometimes even all game long but he can do it. Just deal with it.


Gasol was the difference maker in this game...just deal with that kid, and pull your **** out of Kobe's mouth. Every time Kobe plays well, that doesn't make him the best on the floor.

People got issues with you gay kids cuz the first thing you do is run to make a Kobe thread, or to make a thread to bash his teammates. PATHETIC

[chazzy]

Who cares about this? What about Afflalo scoring 12 points on him guys??

[Calabis]

No one is saying he was the MVP.

His defense was good and it helped, stop making these ridiculous jumps like so great.. What does that even mean? Who's defense is ever "so great" in a 4th quarter? Is it holding someone to 0-10 shooting? What is so great?

I owe you an apology on my first quote, I thought you were Bladers, I'm on my phone....

I agree with this statement, I just don't get this locked Lawson down theory...biggest factor was Gasol finally got aggressive on offensive boards and Lakers hitting shots to slow down the tempo

as I said earlier, I thought Kobe played a smart efficient game, that's about it, nothing memorable or great that he did

[RazorBaLade]

Gasol was the difference maker in this game...just deal with that kid, and pull your **** out of Kobe's mouth. Every time Kobe plays well, that doesn't make him the best on the floor.

People got issues with you gay kids cuz the first thing you do is run to make a Kobe thread, or to make a thread to bash his teammates. PATHETIC

Where in my post did I say anything about gasol not being the clear MVP of that game?

[RazorBaLade]

I owe you an apology on my first quote, I thought you were Bladers, I'm on my phone....

I agree with this statement, I just don't get this locked Lawson down theory...biggest factor was Gasol finally got aggressive on offensive boards and Lakers hitting shots to slow down the tempo

as I said earlier, I thought Kobe played a smart efficient game, that's about it, nothing memorable or great that he did

I dunno, MAYBE we're overreacting a tiny bit because of just like 3-4 plays but its true. At least, its what I saw, its what a lot of people saw. Kobe just took away 3 plays from him. If thats steve blake on him, regardless of 7 fters or not, lawson is in the paint and either scoring or if bigs are there passing after the defense collapses. But kobe just straight up took around 3 possessions away from him. We don't really see stuff like that often, ala the artest steal on gallo when he did the spin move.. Just one guy completely taking a possession away.

I have the same thoughts about kobes game. Just a good game, did about 90% of what he was allowed to do by denvers vicious doubles and did it within the offense.

[Calabis]

Where was gasol and bynum the first 3 quarters? Lawson was 10-13 at one point.

Watch the damn game, they where getting killed in transition...you guys are acting like he was just destroying them in the half court set:confusedshrug:

[RazorBaLade]

Watch the damn game, they where getting killed in transition...you guys are acting like he was just destroying them in the half court set:confusedshrug:

I think he scored without transition throughout the series as well, not as much sure, but still, he doesn't score 20 ****ing points every game in open transition layups.

[Calabis]

I dunno, maybe we're overreacting because of just like 3-4 plays but its true. At least, its what I saw, its what a lot of people saw. Kobe just took away 3 plays from him. If thats steve blake on him, regardless of 7 fters or not, lawson is in the paint and either scoring or if bigs are there passing after the defense collapses. But kobe just straight up took around 3 possessions away from him. We don't really see stuff like that often, ala the artest steal on gallo when he did the spin move.. Just one guy completely taking a possession away.

I have the same thoughts about kobes game. Just a good game, did about 90% of what he was allowed to do by denvers vicious doubles and did it within the offense.

Kobe is longer and stronger than Blake, he's going to change angles, just with his length alone... picks are not going to work as good...I can give Kobe credit for those things...when he feels like it he's a good defender...I just believe the pace of the game, due to Lakers rebounding on offense and making shots was a much bigger factor, than acting like Kobe's lockdown defense changed the 4th quarter

[Calabis]

I think he scored without transition throughout the series as well, not as much sure, but still, he doesn't score 20 ****ing points every game in open transition layups.

Yes when Bynum and Gasol were crying like bitches and not rotating over into the lane, also MWP helped by controlling Gal and Miller

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe is longer and stronger than Blake, he's going to change angles, just with his length alone... picks are not going to work as good...I can give Kobe credit for those things...when he feels like it he's a good defender...I just believe the pace of the game, due to Lakers rebounding on offense and making shots was a much bigger factor, than acting like Kobe's lockdown defense changed the 4th quarter

All I know is based on the last 6 games and 3 quarters, I think lawson could have done better than 0/5 in the 4th if blake/sessions was on him. regardless of what the lakers were doing.

[Indian guy]

These are Lawson's numbers in each 4th qtr of the series:

Game 1: 4 points(2-4 FG)
Game 2: 6 points(3-4 FG)
Game 3: 2 points(0-2 FG)
Game 4: 2 points(1-3 FG)
Game 5: 1 point(0-1 FG)
Game 6: Sat out 4th qtr
Game 7: 0 points(0-5)

Seems like stopping this guy in the 4th qtr has been the easiest thing for LA all series, irregardless of who's guarded him. He seems naturally passive late in games.

[chazzy]

Guys!! Afflalos 12 points tho!

[Doranku]

These are Lawson's numbers in each 4th qtr of the series:

Game 1: 4 points(2-4 FG)
Game 2: 6 points(3-4 FG)
Game 3: 2 points(0-2 FG)
Game 4: 2 points(1-3 FG)
Game 5: 1 point(0-1 FG)
Game 6: Sat out 4th qtr
Game 7: 0 points(0-5)

Seems like stopping this guy in the 4th qtr has been the easiest thing for LA all series, irregardless of who's guarded him. He seems naturally passive late in games.

Looks like LeBron's finals PPG

[RazorBaLade]

These are Lawson's numbers in each 4th qtr of the series:

Game 1: 4 points(2-4 FG)
Game 2: 6 points(3-4 FG)
Game 3: 2 points(0-2 FG)
Game 4: 2 points(1-3 FG)
Game 5: 1 point(0-1 FG)
Game 6: Sat out 4th qtr
Game 7: 0 points(0-5)

Seems like stopping this guy in the 4th qtr has been the easiest thing for LA all series, irregardless of who's guarded him. He seems naturally passive late in games.

He played a majority of time in game 1 2 and 7........ The others it was Andre miller time. I think the stats show what I'm saying either way.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ITT Kobe stans overrating the shit out of his performance last night.

[bwink23]

ITT Kobe stans overrating the shit out of his performance last night.


TYPICAL KOBETARD BANTER....Kobe decided to do what everyone has said he should do, pass the ball....So Kobe passes, and inspires a "GOAT PG" thread....:lol

The juvenile muck splattered across this board......:facepalm

[amfirst]

Kobe is pretty good at defending pg's

Lawson - checked
Rondo - checked
westbrook - checked

[Doranku]

ITT Kobe haters underrating the shit out of his performance last night.

:applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

TYPICAL KOBETARD BANTER....Kobe decided to do what everyone has said he should do, pass the ball....So Kobe passes, and inspires a "GOAT PG" thread....:lol

The juvenile muck splattered across this board......:facepalm

Yep.


:applause:

Guy had a good game, but why is everyone talking like he dropped 50? Y'all have some incredibly low standards. :lol

[LakersReign]

First off a few weeks ago against Russell Westbrook, single handedly guarded him the entire game and held him to 3-22 shooting. Tonight Lawson had 24pts going into the 4th quarter, and Kobe guarded him the entire 4th and Lawson did not score a single point. :bowdown:

At 33 years of age, Kobe is still an all NBA lock down perimeter defender when he chooses to be. If the Lakers allow Kobe to guard Westbrook in the next round all series long, I really like the Lakers chances. Thoughts?


Many were shocked at how Kobe straight up told Phil last year he wanted to guard Westbrook. They were even more shocked when that move proved to be somewhat of a difference maker in their series. Kobe does have serious defensive skills, but has gone away from them to focus more on offense. His haters want to act like he doesn't cuz they always want to underrate him in comparison to Lebron. 99% of those who do, don't really know anything about basketball anyway, so nobody takes them seriously. If Kobe can have the same success vs Westbrook as he had before, OKC better get ready for a long series.

[BallsOut]

Looks like LeBron's finals PPG

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TOUCH MY BODY]

Black Mamba :bowdown:

[Haymaker]

[QUOTE=Indian guy]Meh. It's not hard to play good D on PGs with shaky jumpers + 2 7 footers behind you. I don't recall him doing anything against CP3 last postseason. Or Deron Williams prior to that. Guys with legit skill-sets.[/QUOTE ] This

[BallsOut]

[QUOTE=Indian guy]Meh. It's not hard to play good D on PGs with shaky jumpers + 2 7 footers behind you. I don't recall him doing anything against CP3 last postseason. Or Deron Williams prior to that. Guys with legit skill-sets.[/QUOTE ] This

fail more :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

Looks like LeBron's finals PPG

:oldlol: :applause:

[DMAVS41]

Who cares about this? What about Afflalo scoring 12 points on him guys??

About as important as Kobe funneling Lawson into 2 7 footers for a couple possessions in the 4th qtr.

Guys!!!!!!!!!!! Kobe put the clamps down. ROFL...

[Heavincent]

About as important as Kobe funneling Lawson into 2 7 footers for a couple possessions in the 4th qtr.

Guys!!!!!!!!!!! Kobe put the clamps down. ROFL...

It's blatantly obvious you didn't watch the game.

[BallsOut]

About as important as Kobe funneling Lawson into 2 7 footers for a couple possessions in the 4th qtr.

Guys!!!!!!!!!!! Kobe put the clamps down. ROFL...

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. Kobe stayed in front of Lawson the entire time, the only person he funneled Lawson into was Kobe Bryant.

:facepalm To have an agenda is one thing, but to clearly make shit up is a whole other thing. I thought you were a better poster than this.

[DMAVS41]

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. Kobe stayed in front of Lawson the entire time, the only person he funneled Lawson into was Kobe Bryant.

:facepalm To have an agenda is one thing, but to clearly make shit up is a whole other thing. I thought you were a better poster than this.

You people are so absurd. Staying in front of a player a few times is not stifling defense....especially when Lawson got into a number of pick and rolls (which I already said Kobe did a good job on)

But you are the ones that clearly don't understand the game. Lawson is not a great half court player. He's struggled in every 4th qtr in this series when the game slows down. He's not a good shooter unless he's wide open and he's not a great pick and roll player.

And yes...having two 7 footers waiting in the paint impacts the ability of a sub 6 foot pg that struggles in the half court.

The old "watch the games" thing is getting so old. I did watch. I just know enough of actual basketball to realize what happened.

Did you really miss the whole part where the Nuggets suck in the half court? Where they can't do anything unless its a bail out shot or in transition?

But guys....Kobe put the clamps down. Its hilarious. So you want to credit Kobe for just playing some defense on Lawson, but ignore that Afflalo got him throughout the game until the switch.

Once again Kobe stans shifting the focus and having inconsistent standards. Shocking.

[Noof]

Some people in here are the definition of being blinded by hatred. Sad.

[BallsOut]

You people are so absurd. Staying in front of a player a few times is not stifling defense....especially when Lawson got into a number of pick and rolls (which I already said Kobe did a good job on)

But you are the ones that clearly don't understand the game. Lawson is not a great half court player. He's struggled in every 4th qtr in this series when the game slows down. He's not a good shooter unless he's wide open and he's not a great pick and roll player.

And yes...having two 7 footers waiting in the paint impacts the ability of a sub 6 foot pg that struggles in the half court.

The old "watch the games" thing is getting so old. I did watch. I just know enough of actual basketball to realize what happened.

Did you really miss the whole part where the Nuggets suck in the half court? Where they can't do anything unless its a bail out shot or in transition?

But guys....Kobe put the clamps down. Its hilarious. So you want to credit Kobe for just playing some defense on Lawson, but ignore that Afflalo got him throughout the game until the switch.

Once again Kobe stans shifting the focus and having inconsistent standards. Shocking.

If you want to call out Kobe for his defense on Affalo, you're just changing the subject of this thread. This thread is solely about Kobe's defense on opposing PGs which has been nothing short of spectacular. You have no argument so your only resort is to change the subject. Quit trolling dude. :confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

If you want to call out Kobe for his defense on Affalo, you're just changing the subject of this thread. This thread is solely about Kobe's defense on opposing PGs which has been nothing short of spectacular. You have no argument so your only resort is to change the subject. Quit trolling dude. :confusedshrug:

Do you not see the double standards or the hype?

Nothing short of spectacular? My god your standards are so low its absurd.

You can't just say Kobe played good defense on Lawson in the 4th. That isn't enough. It has to be "legendary" and "stifling" and "nothing short of spectacular"

And if you really think that and aren't trolling, then your standards for Kobe are absurdly low.

[LamarOdom]

Do you not see the double standards or the hype?

Nothing short of spectacular? My god your standards are so low its absurd.

You can't just say Kobe played good defense on Lawson in the 4th. That isn't enough. It has to be "legendary" and "stifling" and "nothing short of spectacular"

And if you really think that and aren't trolling, then your standards for Kobe are absurdly low.

But keeping Westbrook to 3-21 and Ty Lawson scoreless in the fourt Q is as he said nothing short of spectacular especially when Kobe is 33 and he is guarding two of the fastest players in the league.

[DMAVS41]

But keeping Westbrook to 3-21 and Ty Lawson scoreless in the third is as he said nothing short of spectacular especially when Kobe is 33 and he is guarding two of the fastest players in the league.

Kobe's age makes it more impressive....it does not make his defense better.

Go check any post I've ever made on Kobe's defense. I always say that when he actually tries, he has always been a very good on ball defender. He still is now.

However, his defense on Lawson last night was not a great example of this. It hard far more to do with team defense and lack of transition than anything else.

I made no comment on Westbrook. It will be interesting to see if you are consistent with both your praise and criticism in the upcoming Thunder series about Kobe's defense.

Hope you are.

[bwink23]

It's blatantly obvious you didn't watch the game.



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[LakersReign]

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. Kobe stayed in front of Lawson the entire time, the only person he funneled Lawson into was Kobe Bryant.

:facepalm To have an agenda is one thing, but to clearly make shit up is a whole other thing. I thought you were a better poster than this.

dmavs is no different than bwink, he just tries to play it off that way. He posts walls of text to make himself come off on the "intelligent poster" tip, but really he's a pathetic irrational Kobe hater like all the rest of them. Then has the gall to try to convince people he supposedly knows more about the NBA than people in the NBA. But when asked for proof, he can't ever provide any. Like I said, he's really no different from bwink. They both make sh*t up to fit the same agenda. And then feel people are just supposed to agree with what theysay, simply cuz they said it.

[LamarOdom]

Kobe's age makes it more impressive....it does not make his defense better.

Go check any post I've ever made on Kobe's defense. I always say that when he actually tries, he has always been a very good on ball defender. He still is now.

However, his defense on Lawson last night was not a great example of this. It hard far more to do with team defense and lack of transition than anything else.

I made no comment on Westbrook. It will be interesting to see if you are consistent with both your praise and criticism in the upcoming Thunder series about Kobe's defense.

Hope you are.

Of course Kobe can't play the D artest give you every day and still give you 25-30 points a nights it's impossible so I'm happy that he saves his defensive efforts for game that matters.

And I'm the first to criticize Kobe when it comes to bad games unlike many others I'm a Laker fan not a Kobe fan.

[bwink23]

Watch the game for once. Lawson was going off and then get completely shut down by Kobe in the fourth quarter. World Peace was shutting down Gallo. You think he's gonna guard a PG at this stage of his career? :oldlol:

Just a fact really. Anybody that watched the game knows this.



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[bwink23]

It's blatantly obvious you didn't watch the game.


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[bwink23]

Yup, definitely didn't watch the game. Did you not see when Lawson tried to drive it on Kobe, but Kobe just stayed in front of him and he had no choice but to pass it back out because of Kobe's D?

Stop arguing with facts.



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[bwink23]

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. Lawson did not once drive by Kobe. In fact, he would drive into the lane with Kobe still in front of him forcing him to pick up his dribble, turn around and pass it back out to his teammate.



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[bwink23]

you didnt watch the game if you thought bynum played well

kobe had great d and played well... gasol was mvp no doubt but kobe was up there.



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[bwink23]

You obviously didn't watch the game. Where was that great help in the 3rd q when Lawson was getting into the paint at will?



Kobe shut down Lawson, period. I'm not one to give Kobe credit as a great defender, but he locked up Lawson, and changed the game.



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[bwink23]

:oldlol: Keep living in your hypothetical world dude. The game tape doesn't lie, go watch it sometime and quit trolling the boards, it might help you lose some weight.


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[BallsOut]

keep adding to the 14 pages kthxbye :lol

[bwink23]

Lawson only played well in the 3rd quarter and thats when Kobe got on him after they lost the lead. And yes, if you watched the game, you saw that kobe straight locked him up. I'm not saying bigs don't help, lol, but kobe did really really well.



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[No Name]

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[tpols]

You people are so absurd. Staying in front of a player a few times is not stifling defense....especially when Lawson got into a number of pick and rolls (which I already said Kobe did a good job on)

But you are the ones that clearly don't understand the game. Lawson is not a great half court player. He's struggled in every 4th qtr in this series when the game slows down. He's not a good shooter unless he's wide open and he's not a great pick and roll player.

And yes...having two 7 footers waiting in the paint impacts the ability of a sub 6 foot pg that struggles in the half court.

The old "watch the games" thing is getting so old. I did watch. I just know enough of actual basketball to realize what happened.

Did you really miss the whole part where the Nuggets suck in the half court? Where they can't do anything unless its a bail out shot or in transition?

But guys....Kobe put the clamps down. Its hilarious. So you want to credit Kobe for just playing some defense on Lawson, but ignore that Afflalo got him throughout the game until the switch.

Once again Kobe stans shifting the focus and having inconsistent standards. Shocking.
The 2 7 footers were there all game.. when Ty was shooting 75% from the field and had 20+ points. That point pretty much means nothing here.

Kobe, unlike Blake or Sessions knew how to play him. He didn't press up on him like those two did because he would've gotten blown by.. like Lawson did on LA's PGs all game. He sagged a little bit to eliminate penetration and Lawson became ineffective. Like you said he cant shoot off the dribble that well but for some reason Blake and Sessions insisted on playing him chest to chest.

[bwink23]

I can't emphasize enough how stupid this post is.

Lawson demolishes this team. And was until Kobe stepped up and guarded him. Me and brother watched closely tonight and Kobe's effort and defensive focus was off the charts in those final minutes and so were everyone else, the rotations were dead on. Lawson wasn't scoring because didn't want to, he didn't score because this team finally realized that it just takes effort to contain him. And Kobe played a HUGE damn role in that. Don't you forget it.



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[bwink23]

If you watched the game, you would have seen that Kobe did stay in front of Lawson 20 feet from the basket. Nobody's making this shit up you delusional moron.

But go ahead, keep living in your little fantasy world.


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[tpols]

Can someone ban this guy^? He seriously brings nothing to any discussion.

[BallsOut]

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Is that bwink? :oldlol:

[bwink23]

]Why can't people just watch the games? [/B]I don't understand. Like NuggetsFan bringing up the game where Lawson only had two points in the 4th. Like, what does that have to do with what happened tonight?

Anyone who actually WATCHED the game and acknowledges what happened during it could see that Kobe was hounding Lawson all 4th quarter. Fought over screens beautifully (something Kobe NEVER does anymore), never got burnt on a crossover, never got blown by, was attached to Lawson the entire time.

It was picture perfect defense.



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[bwink23]

]For those who didn't watch the game[/B] and only looked at the box score today, let it be known.



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[DMAVS41]

The 2 7 footers were there all game.. when Ty was shooting 75% from the field and had 20+ points. That point pretty much means nothing here.

Kobe, unlike Blake or Sessions knew how to play him. He didn't press up on him like those two did because he would've gotten blown by.. like Lawson did on LA's PGs all game. He sagged a little bit to eliminate penetration and Lawson became ineffective. Like you said he cant shoot off the dribble that well but for some reason Blake and Sessions insisted on playing him chest to chest.

But what you are missing is how important transition is to not only Lawson, but the Nuggets. That wasn't there in the 4th.

That is what changed. Lawson is not a good half court player. Some of the reason for that is his inability to shoot and play pick and roll...and some is because his teammates struggle hugely in the half court also.

When the game slows down like it did in the 4th, both the Nuggets and Lawson have struggled.

You simply can't ignore that. And yes, having the 2 7 footers there on paint protection and pick and roll defense helps.

I'm just amazed someone like you can't see the importance of the lack of transition here. Its why the Nuggets got down so much at one point. Then the game sped up again and Lawson went nuts.

And you act like I'm saying Kobe didn't play good defense. I'm saying the hype is getting insane if that warrants phrases like "stifling" and "nothing short of spectacular"

I'm sorry, if that is true, then the standards are just extremely low

[bwink23]

It happened at least 3 times. Go back and watch the game again, being a kobe hater, you probably were so upset after the 1st time that you turned the game off which would explain why you think it only happened once.



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[bwink23]

Thanks for proving you didn't watch the game. There were at least 3 separate occasions in the 4th where Kobe stopped Lawson's penetration and forced him to pick up his dribble in the paint, turn around and pass it back out.


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[DMAVS41]

Can someone ban this guy^? He seriously brings nothing to any discussion.

And the people that tell everyone that "they didn't watch the game" bring things to the discussion?

[tpols]

But what you are missing is how important transition is to not only Lawson, but the Nuggets. That wasn't there in the 4th.

That is what changed. Lawson is not a good half court player. Some of the reason for that is his inability to shoot and play pick and roll...and some is because his teammates struggle hugely in the half court also.

When the game slows down like it did in the 4th, both the Nuggets and Lawson have struggled.

You simply can't ignore that. And yes, having the 2 7 footers there on paint protection and pick and roll defense helps.

I'm just amazed someone like you can't see the importance of the lack of transition here. Its why the Nuggets got down so much at one point. Then the game sped up again and Lawson went nuts.

And you act like I'm saying Kobe didn't play good defense. I'm saying the hype is getting insane if that warrants phrases like "stifling" and "nothing short of spectacular"

I'm sorry, if that is true, then the standards are just extremely low
Lawson had the majority of his points come in the half court in the first three quarters. He was got a bunch of runners in the paint where he blew by one of LA's pgs and finished with floaters over Bynum.. two of them I remember were And ones. Ty was cutting through the defense at will in the halfcourt all game until the fourth doing what CP3 did last year to LA trying, running in circles trying to tire out and iso on Bynum/Gasol. Kobe totally stopped that from happening in the fourth and cut off his production from game changing to ZERO. Thats just what happened.

[tpols]

And the people that tell everyone that "they didn't watch the game" bring things to the discussion?
I've seen multiple posters like bdreason who normally critisize Kobe or are real about how he plays agree that his D on Ty changed the course of the game yesterday. LA blew a 16 point lead in the third with Ty as the catalyst scoring double digit points in the quarter. He scored 0 in the fourth with Kobe on him and there was a noticeable difference in his play.

[DMAVS41]

Lawson had the majority of his points come in the half court in the first three quarters. He was got a bunch of runners in the paint where he blew by one of LA's pgs and finished with floaters over Bynum.. two of them I remember were And ones. Ty was cutting through the defense at will in the halfcourt all game until the fourth doing what CP3 did last year to LA trying, running in circles trying to tire out and iso on Bynum/Gasol. Kobe totally stopped that from happening in the fourth and cut off his production from game changing to ZERO. Thats just what happened.

The game speed was totally different when that was happening. Sorry. That is just what happened.

Again. You are confusing me with someone saying Kobe didn't do anything. Never said that.

Am I supposed to be impressed that Kobe is a better defender than Blake? I mean....the standards are just so slow.

It was a team effort to slow down Lawson late.

If you really think that was a "nothing short of spectacular" or "stifling" performance...so be it. I just disagree.

[LakersReign]

And the people that tell everyone that "they didn't watch the game" bring things to the discussion?

As opposed to what, not watching the game then, MAKING UP some b.s to try and act like you did? And that's somehow supposed to add to a discussion about the same game you didn't even bother to watch?:facepalm

Makes sense if you don't think about it:rolleyes:

[DMAVS41]

I've seen multiple posters like bdreason who normally critisize Kobe or are real about how he plays agree that his D on Ty changed the course of the game yesterday. LA blew a 16 point lead in the third with Ty as the catalyst scoring double digit points in the quarter. He scored 0 in the fourth with Kobe on him and there was a noticeable difference in his play.

Because the game changed as well.

Do you not see how absurd you and others are being. I'm saying that it was for a number of reasons:

Game slowed down, kobe guarded him, team defense keyed on him on the pick and rolls, and the bigs stepped up better.

You? Its all Kobe. The simple minded analysis just floors me.

Lawson has inherent flaws in his game that prevent him from doing a lot in the 4th qtr if the pace slows down. It is a lot harder to stop him in the first 3 qtrs than it is in the 4th....and that is just a fact.

But as usual it all has to be about Kobe. But when Kobe doesn't play good defense or plays poorly? Its all about his teammates.

Just seems you guys can't have it both ways.

[AI Thornton]

Kobe didn't play bad defense, but it certainly wasn't "stifling." That is just overrating him to an extreme.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe didn't play bad defense, but it certainly wasn't "stifling." That is just overrating him to an extreme.

:applause: :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe played good defense, but it certainly wasn't "stifling." That is just overrating him to an extreme.

That sounds a little more accurate.

[tpols]

Game slowed down, kobe guarded him, team defense keyed on him on the pick and rolls, and the bigs stepped up better.

You? Its all Kobe. The simple minded analysis just floors me.

Lawson has inherent flaws in his game that prevent him from doing a lot in the 4th qtr if the pace slows down. It is a lot harder to stop him in the first 3 qtrs than it is in the 4th....and that is just a fact.

I never said it was all Kobe.. obviously there were more things to it than that. But Kobe was easily the biggest reason for the dropoff. Did the game slow down a little more? Yes. Is Lawson totally limited in the half court? No. Did Lawson play great all game in the half court up until the fourth? Yes. Again, that isnt something that was more influential than the switching of defenders. It's like you saying Ty was afraid of the two seven footers before like they just magically *poofed* onto the court in the fourth and werent there all game getting burned.

[White Mamba]

Kobe didn't play bad defense, but it certainly wasn't "stifling." That is just overrating him to an extreme.

when ty lawson score 0 points in 4th quarter of game 7 after scoring 24 in the first 3 quarters this is great defense and a great leadership.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Kobe didn't play bad defense, but it certainly wasn't "stifling." That is just overrating him to an extreme.
dude, Lawson dropped like 24 pts in 3 quarters, then Kobe shut him down completely. It was LITERALLY as good as it gets.

[tpols]

when ty lawson score 0 points in 4th quarter of game 7 after scoring 24 in the first 3 quarters this is great defense and a great leadership.
It'd be different if he scored only a few points in the fourth but he put up a straight donut.. and looked totally out of sync. In the first three he was hitting shots that I was like WTF? at. His confidence was peaking. Maybe he ran out of gas a little bit, but it looked like Kobe was trying as hard at defense as he was at offense last night and he knew how to position himself to not get beat.

[DMAVS41]

I never said it was all Kobe.. obviously there were more things to it than that. But Kobe was easily the biggest reason for the dropoff. Did the game slow down a little more? Yes. Is Lawson totally limited in the half court? No. Did Lawson play great all game in the half court up until the fourth? Yes. Again, that isnt something that was more influential than the switching of defenders. It's like you saying Ty was afraid of the two seven footers before like they just magically *poofed* onto the court in the fourth and werent there all game getting burned.

I never said he was afraid, but the defense the Lakers team played in the half court in the 4th (when the game truly slowed down) was different. Kobe was part of that, but there were a number of other factors...as you readily admit.

If you can't acknowledge the difference between a playoff 4th qtr and the first 3 then I give up...especially when the player in question has inherent flaws in his game that prevent him from excelling in half court games to begin with.

I have no issue with someone saying Kobe played good defense on a few possessions in the 4th on Lawson. Where I find it comical is when that is hyped up to be:

"nothing short of spectacular" and "stifling"

Done arguing this. The guy earlier said it best. Kobe didn't play bad defense or anything....he just didn't play "great" or "stifling" defense. If he did according to your standards, I'd say that your standards are absurdly low.

What Lebron/Heat did to Granger throughout the game tonight is what I would consider "stifling defense"

You can have the last word if you like.

[tpols]

I never said he was afraid, but the defense the Lakers team played in the half court in the 4th (when the game truly slowed down) was different. Kobe was part of that, but there were a number of other factors...as you readily admit.

If you can't acknowledge the difference between a playoff 4th qtr and the first 3 then I give up...especially when the player in question has inherent flaws in his game that prevent him from excelling in half court games to begin with.

I have no issue with someone saying Kobe played good defense on a few possessions in the 4th on Lawson. Where I find it comical is when that is hyped up to be:

"nothing short of spectacular" and "stifling"

Done arguing this. The guy earlier said it best. Kobe didn't play bad defense or anything....he just didn't play "great" or "stifling" defense. If he did according to your standards, I'd say that your standards are absurdly low.

What Lebron/Heat did to Granger throughout the game tonight is what I would consider "stifling defense"

You can have the last word if you like.
I think Lebron completely locked up Granger. Granger couldn't move with him on him.

And I wouldn't call Kobe's defense 'stifling' because he didnt press Lawson.. because thats not what you should be doing on PGs who are shaky shooters and great slashers. He played very smart D that took the key cog in Denver's offense out of rythym. And it was very important to the outcome of the game. All I'm saying.

[ZaaaaaH]

Is it really trolling? I just say what i saw....

Gasol 23-17-6 and 4 blocks, hitting the most 4th quarter points
Blake 19 points on 7 of 11, hitting more 4th quarter points than Kobe
Bynum 16-18 and 6 blocks, got more 4th quarter points than Kobe aswell

Kobes teammates stepped up tonight... in a night where he didnt play so good...

LOL this retard is still around :bowdown:

Gasol had 5 offensive rebound off one play because he so good right :facepalm

Blake had great shooting game no doubt but who creates the WIDE open shots for him?:facepalm

Now as for Bynum this shit is the type of game he should have when bunch of midgets takes it to the cup all game and the game being fast pace gives him the best chance to rebound since he is the biggest person on the floor.

Watch the game kiddo you LeBron jockers love stats :applause:

[Calabis]

I never said he was afraid, but the defense the Lakers team played in the half court in the 4th (when the game truly slowed down) was different. Kobe was part of that, but there were a number of other factors...as you readily admit.

If you can't acknowledge the difference between a playoff 4th qtr and the first 3 then I give up...especially when the player in question has inherent flaws in his game that prevent him from excelling in half court games to begin with.

I have no issue with someone saying Kobe played good defense on a few possessions in the 4th on Lawson. Where I find it comical is when that is hyped up to be:

"nothing short of spectacular" and "stifling"

Done arguing this. The guy earlier said it best. Kobe didn't play bad defense or anything....he just didn't play "great" or "stifling" defense. If he did according to your standards, I'd say that your standards are absurdly low.

What Lebron/Heat did to Granger throughout the game tonight is what I would consider "stifling defense"

You can have the last word if you like.

Just give them what they want.....Lakers won because Kobe willed them to victory with his mad lock down defense

[Bladers]

Lawson had 56 points on 75% shooting in the last 7 Quarters before Kobe got on him.

You mad? 0 pts 0 for 5. LMAO talk about being shut down. And the haters mad :roll: :roll:

[Bladers]

I never said he was afraid, but the defense the Lakers team played in the half court in the 4th (when the game truly slowed down) was different. Kobe was part of that, but there were a number of other factors...as you readily admit.

If you can't acknowledge the difference between a playoff 4th qtr and the first 3 then I give up...especially when the player in question has inherent flaws in his game that prevent him from excelling in half court games to begin with.

I have no issue with someone saying Kobe played good defense on a few possessions in the 4th on Lawson. Where I find it comical is when that is hyped up to be:

"nothing short of spectacular" and "stifling"

Done arguing this. The guy earlier said it best. Kobe didn't play bad defense or anything....he just didn't play "great" or "stifling" defense. If he did according to your standards, I'd say that your standards are absurdly low.

What Lebron/Heat did to Granger throughout the game tonight is what I would consider "stifling defense"

You can have the last word if you like.

LOL Lebron wasn't even guarding granger. he was open 70% of the game.

LMAO you mad?

Meanwhile Kobe locks down, Rondo, Wade, Westbrook.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254733

Stay mad?

[Calabis]

LOL this retard is still around :bowdown:

Gasol had 5 offensive rebound off one play because he so good right :facepalm

Blake had great shooting game no doubt but who creates the WIDE open shots for him?:facepalm

Now as for Bynum this shit is the type of game he should have when bunch of midgets takes it to the cup all game and the game being fast pace gives him the best chance to rebound since he is the biggest person on the floor.

Watch the game kiddo you LeBron jockers love stats :applause:

Yes because that Gasols effort on the boards couldn't inspire anyone, not even himself...it was that mad defense by Kobe...didn't Bynum get doubled too?

[chazzy]

So Dmavs, it's perfectly ok for you to say Dirk played shut down defense on Gasol last year even though he sucked against everyone (most of this series as well).. but it's overrating to say Kobe shutdown Lawson in the 4th after he's been torching the Lakers for several games

[Bladers]

So Dmavs, it's perfectly ok for you to say Dirk played shut down defense on Gasol last year even though he sucked against everyone (most of this series as well).. but it's overrating to say Kobe shutdown Lawson in the 4th after he's been torching the Lakers for several games

Stop it. Lawson scoring 56 points on 75% the last 6 quarters doesn't matter to me. I hate kobe, this is what I do. So I will fabricate several reasons why.

[DMAVS41]

So Dmavs, it's perfectly ok for you to say Dirk played shut down defense on Gasol last year even though he sucked against everyone (most of this series as well).. but it's overrating to say Kobe shutdown Lawson in the 4th after he's been torching the Lakers for several games

I never said Dirk played "stifling" and "great" defense against Gasol. I simply said Dirk is better at defense than he gets credit for.

You might be confusing Gasol with Aldridge. Dirk actually did do a really good job on LA....and to use your words...even though he was torching the supposed DPOY in Chandler.

And when did I made a thread about Dirk's great defense? Don't think I've ever uttered those words because its not true.

If you want to give Kobe part of the credit for slowing down Lawson...not only am I all for it...but I agree.

Where I take issue, as I have explained repeatedly, is with the hype and non sense spewed after the game.

And I don't need your permission to post. Take issue with your fellow Kobe nut huggers that post these threads. I'm merely responding to them.

And Jesus. You'd think Lawson had the best series ever. He scored 19 points a game. Good, but hardly to the level you and others are making him out to be.

Oh...and Gasol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lawson. Just that I would add that.

[6JamesIsKing]

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