Is Kobe the only NBA superstar allowed to be handchecked?

[Bladers]

did anyone see the handchecking on Kobe (at the three point line each possesion) that is allowed? Do that on lebron or wade and you get ejected.

Its so pathetic. Meanwhile you touch durant or westbrook and they get automatic free throws.

[DMAVS41]

did anyone see the handchecking on Kobe at the three point line that is allowed? Do that on lebron or wade and you get ejected.

ROFL....try watching a Dirk game.

[nba_55]

you retarded or what?
Deng was handchecking Lebron a lot in their games.
Also, defensively, Kobe get to handcheck other players too.

[andgar923]

did anyone see the handchecking on Kobe (at the three point line each possesion) that is allowed? Do that on lebron or wade and you get ejected.

Its so pathetic. Meanwhile you touch durant or westbrook and they get automatic free throws.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bladers]

ROFL....try watching a Dirk game.

My point is, "superstars".

Dirk isn't one. plus he's 7' also.

What I'm saying is, if you do that to lebron,wade or durant, you would get ejected out the game, not just two free throws.

its ridiculous, kobe's the only star that is allowed to be hand checked.

Sefo isn't playing good defense he's literally fouling him every possession.

Look at the replay, His hands are all over him. grabbing his jersey as miller said.

do that to lebron, wade or durant? you're gone.

[tpols]

It's cuz Dirk and Kobe both like to play with their backs to the basket. If you're turned sideways or backwards a defender can pretty much hold you.

[Mr. Jabbar]

3 years. Its been 3 years since kobe gets decent calls. They get away with murder when hes shooting.

[tmacattack33]

Did you not just see the refs bail out Kobe from a youtube worthy embarrassing play when Thabo owned him?


Please, gtfo. The refs love him.

[DMAVS41]

My point is, "superstars".

Dirk isn't one. plus he's 7' also.

What I'm saying is, if you do that to lebron,wade or durant, you would get ejected out the game, not just two free throws.

its ridiculous, kobe's the only star that is allowed to be hand checked.

Sefo isn't playing good defense he's literally fouling him every possession.

Look at the replay, His hands are all over him.

do that to lebron, wade or durant? you're gone.

Dirk isn't a superstar? Holy shit.

[Godzuki]

Bladers about to cry :roll: :roll: :roll:

[andgar923]

Kobe, Bron, Wade, Durant and every player today would struggle vs REAL hand checking physical play.

Reggie Miller would be an MVP candidate in this era.

[DuMa]

welcome to the 90s.

[glidedrxlr22]

Phuk u bladers aka lakersreign

[DMAVS41]

And do you really not see all these off ball and bailout calls? Holy shit dude. The guy gets about as much respect from the refs by anyone not named Durant, Lebron, and Wade.

LOL

[Bladers]

Dirk isn't a superstar? Holy shit.

he's not top tier.

[andgar923]

welcome to the 90s.

Not even.

The hand checking mostly occurs while the player is at a stand still position, and it isn't allowed to prevent a player from moving. As soon as the offensive player makes a move, the defensive player stops the hand checking cause the refs will call a foul more times than not.

So it's NOT even a true hand checking about 90% of the time.

those fouls on Sefa have already crippled the Thunder's defense. Just keep watching the game and we'll see how timid they're gonna play Kobe from now on.

[DMAVS41]

he's not top tier.

Then neither is Kobe.

You are beyond pathetic at this point man. Just go cry somewhere else. Someone close this moron's threads down.

Jesus.

[KingBeasley08]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

didnt even read the OP

all i saw :cry: :cry:

[NumberSix]

Bladers :hammerhead:


The irony of this thread is unbelievable. :roll:

[Bladers]

And do you really not see all these off ball and bailout calls? Holy shit dude. The guy gets about as much respect from the refs by anyone not named Durant, Lebron, and Wade.

LOL

Really lol that logic was destroyed by facts (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261667).

[SuperPippen]

he's not top tier.

What ****ing world has this guy been living in?

[SlayerEnraged]

Kobe, Bron, Wade, Durant and every player today would struggle vs REAL hand checking physical play.

Reggie Miller would be an MVP candidate in this era.

The defense is way better now...Hence lower drtg's, ppg, free throw attempts (both per game and per posession)...watchin high lights of plast players u usually don't see the defenders hands above his waist.

[EnoughSaid]

Did you just honestly say that Dirk isn't a superstar? :biggums:

[pauk]

No excuses please, he didnt show up tonight

[andgar923]

What ****ing world has this guy been living in?

Kobe world... built personally by Kobe.

[Bladers]

Then neither is Kobe.

You are beyond pathetic at this point man. Just go cry somewhere else. Someone close this moron's threads down.

Jesus.

Since when was Dirk in the tier of Kobe, Durant Lebron, and Wade for the majority of his career before last year?

Last year doesn't make up for the majority of his career.

[andgar923]

The defense is way better now...Hence lower drtg's, ppg, free throw attempts (both per game and per posession)...watchin high lights of plast players u usually don't see the defenders hands above his waist.

This fu*ckin retard.:oldlol:

[SlayerEnraged]

Not even.

The hand checking mostly occurs while the player is at a stand still position, and it isn't allowed to prevent a player from moving. As soon as the offensive player makes a move, the defensive player stops the hand checking cause the refs will call a foul more times than not.

So it's NOT even a true hand checking about 90% of the time.

those fouls on Sefa have already crippled the Thunder's defense. Just keep watching the game and we'll see how timid they're gonna play Kobe from now on.


:no:. If that we the case then Sefelosha wouldn't have that great strip on Kobe. He was holding Kobe from the time he caught the ball untill he was dribbling and tryed to go up.

[DMAVS41]

Really lol that logic was destroyed by facts (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261667).

What? Lebron does get more calls. I'd argue that he earns them, but I even said Lebron got more in my post you ****ing moron.

Kobe is an aging jump shooter that relies on touch fouls and bailout calls...and he gets them frequently.

You are a ****ing clown. Go back to blaming everyone but Kobe for every poor game he's ever played.

[Bladers]

Not even.

The hand checking mostly occurs while the player is at a stand still position, and it isn't allowed to prevent a player from moving. As soon as the offensive player makes a move, the defensive player stops the hand checking cause the refs will call a foul more times than not.

So it's NOT even a true hand checking about 90% of the time.

those fouls on Sefa have already crippled the Thunder's defense. Just keep watching the game and we'll see how timid they're gonna play Kobe from now on.

You must not watch Kobe play. Especially vs the thunder.
Thabo holds kobe ALL the time even miller called it out.
He always holds his jersey. Miller said this live on AIr.

[SlayerEnraged]

This fu*ckin retard.:oldlol:

LOok up the numbers? Where are they in favor of the 90's? Fact is 34 year old bernard king has no problem shitting on the 1991 nba hand checking season LOL!

[DMAVS41]

Since when was Dirk in the tier of Kobe, Durant Lebron, and Wade for the majority of his career before last year?

Last year doesn't make up for the majority of his career.

He's been there for a long time now. People just started realizing it.

he's not on Kobe's level though....but he has better numbers in the playoffs for his career.

26/10/3 58%TS is better than 26/5/5 on 54% TS

But yea. Dirk isn't a superstar. He's just at worst a top 25 player of all time.

[Bladers]

What? Lebron does get more calls. I'd argue that he earns them, but I even said Lebron got more in my post you ****ing moron.

Kobe is an aging jump shooter that relies on touch fouls and bailout calls...and he gets them frequently.

You are a ****ing clown. Go back to blaming everyone but Kobe for every poor game he's ever played.
First of all Kobe drives even MORE than Lebron, he just doesn't get the calls.

Infact there was an exact same play Lebron got last night for 3 FTS. Same play as this.

And Kobe never got a call for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zurH6_hkXBw

That exact same play happened 6 times in the denver series and none of them were fuouls.

[andgar923]

You must not watch Kobe play. Especially vs the thunder.
Thabo holds kobe ALL the time even miller called it out.
He always holds his jersey. Miller said this live on AIr.

either way you wanna look at it, just more proof that Kobe wouldn't be able to play in MJ's era without chucking even more than he currently does.

Kobe in MJ's era= 23pts 40% 4 assists 4 rebounds 5 TO

[lbj23clutch]

Kobe, Bron, Wade, Durant and every player today would struggle vs REAL hand checking physical play.

Reggie Miller would be an MVP candidate in this era.
:roll:


What's with the obsession of overrating old school players? Stop living in the past asshole.

[andgar923]

LOok up the numbers? Where are they in favor of the 90's? Fact is 34 year old bernard king has no problem shitting on the 1991 nba hand checking season LOL!
Watch the game you dumb F*ck.

[KingBeasley08]

this is freaking hilarious

bladers is on suicide watch right now :roll:
hes trying to defend kobe's horrid performance, and pretty much admitted that MJ is greater in the process :roll: :oldlol:

[redridinghood]

Oh damn.... what kinda retarded topic is this?

[chips93]

Bladers with some quality trolling

:applause:

ISH #1 Troll

:applause:

[Bladers]

He's been there for a long time now. People just started realizing it.

he's not on Kobe's level though....but he has better numbers in the playoffs for his career.

26/10/3 58%TS is better than 26/5/5 on 54% TS

But yea. Dirk isn't a superstar. He's just at worst a top 25 player of all time.

HELLO THATS MY POINT!

At this point you are just arguing just to argue.

There were never at any point where it was. Kobe, Lebron, Wade then Dirk.

Dirk has never been the face of the league before last year. So stop arguing a moot point.

[lbj23clutch]

Young Kobe as a sidekick put up 30/7/6/2/1 WITH handchecking. GTFO

[andgar923]

:roll:


What's with the obsession of overrating old school players? Stop living in the past asshole.

Hmm...

Rules that favor perimeter players.

REggie = tougher than most players today, craftier, smarter

Reggie with today's rules and style of play gets more calls, more fts, more opportunities higher shooting percentage, more drives.

Reggie is a more skilled offensive player than Bron (yeah get mad), smarter/craftier than Wade.

Eat shit.

[DMAVS41]

First of all Kobe drives even MORE than Lebron, he just doesn't get the calls.

Infact there was an exact same play Lebron got last night for 3 FTS. Same play as this.

And Kobe never got a call for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zurH6_hkXBw

That exact same play happened 6 times in the denver series and none of them were fuouls.

Yep. The NBA just doesn't want Kobe to win anything. Its a conspiracy.

Kobe has shot 7.6 free throws per game for his career.

Lebron has shot 8.8 free throws per game for his career.

Less than 1 more trip to the ft line per game for their careers. Yep....its a conspiracy.

[SlayerEnraged]

either way you wanna look at it, just more proof that Kobe wouldn't be able to play in MJ's era without chucking even more than he currently does.

Kobe in MJ's era= 23pts 40% 4 assists 4 rebounds 5 TO

HAHA yeah right. U look at guys like CLyde, DUmars, etc that were somewhat good and what they did vs hand checking with 20+ppg seasons,etc...THey aren't in Kobe's stratosphere

[Bladers]

Bladers :hammerhead:


The irony of this thread is unbelievable. :roll:

Don't make me expose you.
Just don't tempt me. Cause I will.

[DMAVS41]

HELLO THATS MY POINT!

At this point you are just arguing just to argue.

There were never at any point where it was. Kobe, Lebron, Wade then Dirk.

Dirk has never been the face of the league before last year. So stop arguing a moot point.

What?

Dirk is definitely a superstar. THAT IS MY POINT. He's one of the 20 best players ever.

So you have to be top 10 all time to be superstar? Absurd.

As usual your points hold no water.

Crying about Lebron taking 1.2 more free throws per game for his career. LOL....less than 1 extra trip to the line per game. And its earned. Lebron draws contact and attacks more than Kobe.

Just can't believe you would bitch about Lebron taking 1 more free throw per game and turn around and say Dirk was never a superstar. Wow....you've reached epic new levels of stupidity.

Oh, and if you remove Kobe's first 3 years like you and your fellow fuktards always want to, Kobe averages around 8 free throws per game for his career. LOL

[shaunliv]

[QUOTE=Bladers]did anyone see the handchecking on Kobe (at the three point line each possesion) that is allowed? Do that on lebron or wade and you get ejected.

Its so pathetic. Meanwhile you touch durant or westbrook and they get automatic free throws.[/QUOTE

Chris Paul got mugged by T Allen and M Conley the WHOLE series! It's the playoffs, get used to it!

[andgar923]

What?

Dirk is definitely a superstar. THAT IS MY POINT. He's one of the 20 best players ever.

So you have to be top 10 all time to be superstar? Absurd.

As usual your points hold no water.

Crying about Lebron taking 1.2 more free throws per game for his career. LOL....less than 1 extra trip to the line per game. And its earned. Lebron draws contact and attacks more than Kobe.

Just can't believe you would bitch about Lebron taking 1 more free throw per game and turn around and say Dirk was never a superstar. Wow....you've reached epic new levels of stupidity.

I doubt that.

[SlayerEnraged]

Hmm...

Rules that favor perimeter players.

REggie = tougher than most players today, craftier, smarter

Reggie with today's rules and style of play gets more calls, more fts, more opportunities higher shooting percentage, more drives.

Reggie is a more skilled offensive player than Bron (yeah get mad), smarter/craftier than Wade.

Eat shit.


Are u sure these rule excuses aren't a substituition for the (lack) of good perimiter play in the 90's especially? With any set of rules the best players on teams are gonna merge out. Even before rule changes, 3-4/5 of the top scoring leaders were always perimeter players. Drtg's, freethrows per game and per possesion aren't in ur favor my friend :oldlol:

[lbj23clutch]

Hmm...

Rules that favor perimeter players.

REggie = tougher than most players today, craftier, smarter

Reggie with today's rules and style of play gets more calls, more fts, more opportunities higher shooting percentage, more drives.

Reggie is a more skilled offensive player than Bron (yeah get mad), smarter/craftier than Wade.

Eat shit.
:facepalm


What makes Miller any different from a prime Ray Allen? Jordan stans need to stop living in the past.

[hitmanyr2k]

Hmm...

Rules that favor perimeter players.

REggie = tougher than most players today, craftier, smarter

Reggie with today's rules and style of play gets more calls, more fts, more opportunities higher shooting percentage, more drives.

Reggie is a more skilled offensive player than Bron (yeah get mad), smarter/craftier than Wade.

Eat shit.

I kind of agree with the other stuff but I think you went too far with the bolded part lol. I think Lebron clearly has more strengths when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. Reggie was a great off-the-ball offensive player but average when he had to put the ball on the floor. Lebron is kind of the opposite when he can put the ball on the floor but he's not all that great off the ball (he's improving though).

And the new rules aren't going to help Reggie rebound more or become a better playmaker. So nah, not an MVP candidate. Maybe a Top 15 player.

[Bladers]

What?

Dirk is definitely a superstar. THAT IS MY POINT. He's one of the 20 best players ever.

So you have to be top 10 all time to be superstar? Absurd.

As usual your points hold no water.

Crying about Lebron taking 1.2 more free throws per game for his career. LOL....less than 1 extra trip to the line per game. And its earned. Lebron draws contact and attacks more than Kobe.

Just can't believe you would bitch about Lebron taking 1 more free throw per game and turn around and say Dirk was never a superstar. Wow....you've reached epic new levels of stupidity.

Oh, and if you remove Kobe's first 3 years like you and your fellow fuktards always want to, Kobe averages around 8 free throws per game for his career. LOL

Oh, and if you remove Kobe's first 3 years like you and your fellow fuktards always refuse to, Kobe averages around 30ppg in the playoffs for his career and 28ppg in reg season. LOL


Talk about a cherrypicker, only uses metrics that fits his agenda.

GTFO!

[Bladers]

Chris Paul got mugged by T Allen and M Conley the WHOLE series! It's the playoffs, get used to it!

Really which is why Durant, westbrook, lebron, wade and even harden gets freethrows if any one breathes on them?

[andgar923]

I kind of agree with the other stuff but I think you went too far with the bolded part lol. I think Lebron clearly has more strengths when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. Reggie was a great off-the-ball offensive player but average when he had to put the ball on the floor. Lebron is kind of the opposite when he can put the ball on the floor but he's not all that great off the ball (he's improving though).

And the new rules aren't going to help Reggie rebound more or become a better playmaker. So nah, not an MVP candidate. Maybe a Top 15 player.

Key word is 'skilled'.

Let's be honest, while Bron is possibly a bigger offensive threat due to his athleticism and size, Reggie is more skilled. Better footwork, better off the screen (it's an art all to itself), gives you different options from a stand still hand with the ball then Bron (all Bron has is step back and drive), and frankly... Reggie is far craftier than Bron. His shot alone is a tremendous weapon that must be respected. He's also slightly better at creating separation with his moves. Bron again relies too much on his size and athletic ability instead of angles and timing.

[Ai2death]

Kobe who?

[lbj23clutch]

Sure perimeter players may have it easier today. But their also much more talented in today's game, when you compare the perimeter players from MJ's era. Perimeter players today are more athletic, more versatile and MUCH better ball handlers/play makers. Most of it due to MJ's influence on the game. Before MJ, this was a big man's game.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe fans crying early this series. :oldlol: Cry moar. :cry: :cry:

[tpols]

Key word is 'skilled'.

Let's be honest, while Bron is possibly a bigger offensive threat due to his athleticism and size, Reggie is more skilled. Better footwork, better off the screen (it's an art all to itself), gives you different options from a stand still hand with the ball then Bron (all Bron has is step back and drive), and frankly... Reggie is far craftier than Bron. His shot alone is a tremendous weapon that must be respected. He's also slightly better at creating separation with his moves. Bron again relies too much on his size and athletic ability instead of angles and timing.
You can literally say this about hundreds of players to play the game. It means nothing. Reggie miller would be a slightly worse version of Ray Allen now just like he was then.

[andgar923]

I kind of agree with the other stuff but I think you went too far with the bolded part lol. I think Lebron clearly has more strengths when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. Reggie was a great off-the-ball offensive player but average when he had to put the ball on the floor. Lebron is kind of the opposite when he can put the ball on the floor but he's not all that great off the ball (he's improving though).

And the new rules aren't going to help Reggie rebound more or become a better playmaker. So nah, not an MVP candidate. Maybe a Top 15 player.

I agree that the new rules won't make him a better rebounder or playmaker. But with more 3pt shots means longer rebound 'opportunities'. So maybe an increase of 1 more board per game? :lol

Besides..... scoring is enough to make him an MVP caliber player. A couple game winners here and there, high scoring games and the inter webs and media will compare him to MJ.

[andgar923]

You can literally say this about hundreds of players to play the game. It means nothing. Reggie miller would be a slightly worse version of Ray Allen now just like he was then.

Not many of those hundreds of players have been All Stars, gone to the Finals, Dream Teamers, Hall of Famers have they?

People forget that when Ray was a Sonic he was more than just an off the screen player. Ray is still capable of scoring 30+ games, his role on that team doesn't allow it as much. Prime Ray would be amongst the top 6 scorers today.

Good job at comparing Celtics Ray with a prime Reggie tho.

[SuperPippen]

HAHA yeah right. U look at guys like CLyde, DUmars, etc that were somewhat good and what they did vs hand checking with 20+ppg seasons,etc...THey aren't in Kobe's stratosphere

Are yoy really trying to claim that that Clyde the Glide and Dumars were "somewhat good"? Seriously?

How in God's name would you know how good those players were? Were you around to watch them in their primes? Have you even watched them at all? No. You obviously have not. Your dumb ass has yet to even graduate high school, and in spite of the fact that you're already an adult, you fail to grasp even the most basic of mathematical concepts.

Clyde was an absolute beast, and although he was never as good as Kobe was, he was certainly in Kobe's "stratosphere." And Dumars was a great player in his own right.

Quit acting like you have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

[D-Wade316]

Reggie Miller would be an MVP candidate in this era.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Fukk nostalgia

[DMAVS41]

You can literally say this about hundreds of players to play the game. It means nothing. Reggie miller would be a slightly worse version of Ray Allen now just like he was then.

This.

Ray Allen was just a better player.

[DMAVS41]

Oh, and if you remove Kobe's first 3 years like you and your fellow fuktards always refuse to, Kobe averages around 30ppg in the playoffs for his career and 28ppg in reg season. LOL


Talk about a cherrypicker, only uses metrics that fits his agenda.

GTFO!

And go ahead and remove them. I'll still take Dirk's playoff numbers over Kobe's. I could care less about that.

I just want to know if you think Kobe should be shooting more free throws than Lebron.

I want to know why you are making such a big deal over a negligible difference in which one player clearly is more aggressive offensively in drawing contact.

You act like Kobe is shooting considerably less for his career. He isn't.

So what is your take? That Kobe should shoot 10 free throws per game on average? Please tell us.

[lbj23clutch]

Prime Ray Allen, was an elite athlete, could break down a defense much better then Miller(because of his much better athleticism) and as a scorer he was more well rounded then Miller. Couldn't get to the rim like Ray could. Miller was never the playmaker Ray was(think Ray back in his Sonic/Bycks days). Also Ray has shown to be a better defender then Miller(see Millers defense on Kobe in the 08' finals). Only thing Miller has on Allen is more theatrical clutch moments, although Ray has proved to be one of the most clutch shooters in this era.



Overall Ray is better in almost all facets of the game compared to Miller. LOL at andgar calling Miller an MVP candidate in this era. :facepalm

[Smoke117]

You can literally say this about hundreds of players to play the game. It means nothing. Reggie miller would be a slightly worse version of Ray Allen now just like he was then.

That's bullshit. Ray Allen in his prime vs Miller in his prime does EVERYTHING BETTER. The only thing Reggie did better than ray was sell fouls and flop better which allowed him to get to the line so much when all he did was shoot jump shots. Allen is a better ball handler, play maker, rebounder, defender, scorer in general. The ability to sell fouls/flop is the only thing Miller did better than Allen. That is not being SLIGHTLY WORSE. That is just being an inferior player, PERIOD.

[lbj23clutch]

Andgar:

Can you name me 5 perimeter players from the 90's(aside from MJ) better then these players:


Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Durant

[Timmy D for MVP]

It's cuz Dirk and Kobe both like to play with their backs to the basket. If you're turned sideways or backwards a defender can pretty much hold you.

Wtf is this?

Logic!?

Get that shit out of here man! It's a Bladers thread!

[andgar923]

Reggie 39 at 39: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFMNWOP-VKo&feature=related

27 in his last game (playoffs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qae5FlTdOk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaI6mPr4AE0&feature=related

I know these are a few examples, but a 'PRIME' Reggie would do similar shit to this at a more consistent basis.

And let's not forget that he was a 'master' at creating contact and getting the call. He'd make a killing at the ft line in this era.

Imbeciles

[D-Wade316]

Andgar:

Can you name me 5 perimeter players from the 90's(aside from MJ) better then these players:


Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Durant
Remove Durant. Replace him with CP3.

[lbj23clutch]

Remove Durant. Replace him with CP3.
Huge CP3 fan, but Durant>CP3.

[andgar923]

With today's rules and perimeter oriented style of play, a prime Reggie would avg the following:

28 pts 4 boards 4 assists

Career 4.7 3pt attempts shooting .395%

Prime Reggie shot in the .400 range.

His 3pt attempts should rise to around 2 more, and since it's less physical his % shouldn't be affected much if at all.

He'll also shoot at least 2.5 more FTs per game.

Combine this with the defender's inability to fully guard him, the rest of his game becomes more potent.

Can't get close to him cause he'll draw a foul. Can't give him room cause he'll score. He can post you up and hurt you, or beat you to the rim.

Good luck trying to run zone against him.

And more importantly... he had that tough mentality and wasn't a p#ssy.

[ihoopallday]

Has Bladers/LakersReign ever given credit to the opposing team? Always bitchin when LA loses.

[amfirst]

its the way Kobe plays, he needs to adopt the flopping style drive like CP3, wade, and LeBron, then no one will dare grope to him like they usually do.

[NumberSix]

Don't make me expose you.
Just don't tempt me. Cause I will.
Bladers

[NumberSix]

Has Bladers/LakersReign ever given credit to the opposing team? Always bitchin when LA loses.
Is Bladers really the same person as LakersReign? How do you know that?

[chazzy]

Andgar has gone FULL retard :roll:

[Calabis]

did anyone see the handchecking on Kobe (at the three point line each possesion) that is allowed? Do that on lebron or wade and you get ejected.

Its so pathetic. Meanwhile you touch durant or westbrook and they get automatic free throws.

Lmao according to you handchecking isn't shit, so quit crying

[chazzy]

With today's rules and perimeter oriented style of play, a prime Reggie would avg the following:

28 pts 4 boards 4 assists

Career 4.7 3pt attempts shooting .395%

Prime Reggie shot in the .400 range.

His 3pt attempts should rise to around 2 more, and since it's less physical his % shouldn't be affected much if at all.

He'll also shoot at least 2.5 more FTs per game.

Combine this with the defender's inability to fully guard him, the rest of his game becomes more potent.

Can't get close to him cause he'll draw a foul. Can't give him room cause he'll score. He can post you up and hurt you, or beat you to the rim.

Good luck trying to run zone against him.

And more importantly... he had that tough mentality and wasn't a p#ssy.
:roll: :roll:

[I<3NBA]

Kobe fans - handchecking is so overrated. Kobe would be dominating the 90s with those defenders handchecking him.
Bladers - Kobe is being handchecked, waaah!

[lbj23clutch]

With today's rules and perimeter oriented style of play, a prime Reggie would avg the following:

28 pts 4 boards 4 assists

Career 4.7 3pt attempts shooting .395%

Prime Reggie shot in the .400 range.

His 3pt attempts should rise to around 2 more, and since it's less physical his % shouldn't be affected much if at all.

He'll also shoot at least 2.5 more FTs per game.

Combine this with the defender's inability to fully guard him, the rest of his game becomes more potent.

Can't get close to him cause he'll draw a foul. Can't give him room cause he'll score. He can post you up and hurt you, or beat you to the rim.

Good luck trying to run zone against him.

And more importantly... he had that tough mentality and wasn't a p#ssy.
Holy Shit. I didn't think you were this delusional. :facepalm



I'm interested to know where you would rank prime Miller in today's league? I'm up for a laugh.

[tpols]

Andgar has gone FULL retard :roll:
:oldlol:
We need to get the bitter old man a time machine.

[j3lademaster]

I do believe the 90's was a tougher era than today, but Reggie Miller today would not be an mvp candidate. He gambled a lot on defense and he depended on the laxed defensive perimeter rules of the 90's too much. He would not be a "good" defender today- just average imo. On offense I've always felt he was one dimensional besides catch and shooting and passing. His passing is underrated since he wasn't balldominant, though, and people love rating passing skills purely on assist numbers.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Young Kobe as a sidekick put up 30/7/6/2/1 WITH handchecking. GTFO
You can't use facts with jordan jockers who can't let go of the past.

NBA League eFG%

84-97 = 49.1%eFG
2005-present = 49.4%eFG

Identical.

And the league averaged 2% more freethrows called from the '80-'90s to now.

But they like to live in their fantasy world. Can't accept the facts.

[andgar923]

Clearly most of you morons never saw Reggie play.

His offensive game wasn't that different than what Kobe's game is today. Off the ball movement, fadeaways, setting up players, face up shoot over the top, sneak between creases, etc.etc.

Miller would hit shot after shot in your grill, fadeaways, turn arounds, step backs, pull ups, etc.etc.

But naturally.... Miller had a superior outside shot.

Yeah... some of you laugh, but then again... you're idiots.

In his prime Reggie averaged 24 pts on 15.7 shot attempts and 7.6 FTA. In today's perimeter friendly era, he'd get 2-3 more attempts per game, at least 1 more 3pter made and 2 more FTA per game.

Or shall I post more Old man Reggie vs today's era vids?

[andgar923]

:lol
You can't use facts with jordan jockers who can't let go of the past.

NBA League eFG%

84-97 = 49.1%eFG
2005-present = 49.4%eFG

Identical.

And the league averaged 2% more freethrows called from the '80-'90s to now.

But they like to live in their fantasy world. Can't accept the facts.
:lol

Misleading stats used by somebody who clearly never saw basketball before Kobe and doesn't comprehend a f*ckin thing.

[Horatio33]

No excuses please, he didnt show up tonight

Ironic coming from you. You are full of excuses for LeBron when he loses.

[Cali Syndicate]

Lmao according to you handchecking isn't shit, so quit crying

This

[Apogee]

Bladers all that anime is messing with your head. Stop watching basketball please.

[OldSchoolBBall]

And the league averaged 2% more freethrows called from the '80-'90s to now.


It's the DISTRIBUTION of those FT's that's the issue. Back then, they were A) more distributed amongst the team as opposed to concentrated for the star (due to more team-based ball and less superstar-centric league/officiating) and B) awarded more to big men who banged inside than perimeter players. None of these guys are getting 10-11+ FTA from '89-'96. None of them. They'd get maybe 7-9 depending on the player and year in question.

[Droid101]

Yep.

Watch how they coddle Harden on the other hand. He gets gifted free throws like crazy.

In fact, this season, he scored 1.6 points per shot, which is higher than Michael Jordan ever did. His best for an entire season was 1.5 I believe.

I found the quote: "To put Harden's feat of 1.66 PPS as a guard into even more perspective, neither Michael Jordan nor Steve Nash nor Ray Allen ever broke the 1.5 PPS mark."

[Artillery]

Yep.

Watch how they coddle Harden on the other hand. He gets gifted free throws like crazy.

In fact, this season, he scored 1.6 points per shot, which is higher than Michael Jordan ever did. His best for an entire season was 1.5 I believe.

I found the quote: "To put Harden's feat of 1.66 PPS as a guard into even more perspective, neither Michael Jordan nor Steve Nash nor Ray Allen ever broke the 1.5 PPS mark."

Already exhibiting signs of butthurt: Complain about refs.

[Godzuki]

Andgar has gone FULL retard :roll:


too bad you've been full retard your whole life :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Droid101]

Already exhibiting signs of butthurt: Complain about refs.
Butthurt? It's been clear as day all season.

I didn't even watch game 1 of the series. I'm assuming nothing changed. But keep on f*ckin' that chicken.

[greymatter]

did anyone see the handchecking on Kobe (at the three point line each possesion) that is allowed? Do that on lebron or wade and you get ejected.

Its so pathetic. Meanwhile you touch durant or westbrook and they get automatic free throws.

Indeed. Your boys were so robbed. They should have lost by 26 points instead of 29 were it not for this gross injustice.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :facepalm