Jeremy Lin not guaranteed to stay with Knicks, says agent

[insidehoops]

Free agency is 5 1/2 weeks away, but Jeremy Lin

[knickscity]

Lin will be a restricted free agent, and the only way he doesn't come back is if Dolan doesn't want him back, but Lin is a cash cow, so he'll be back.

[franchize]

:facepalm To me, all this means is that their expecting us to give them the entire mid-level. I know he's a "cash cow" but I wouldn't do it. He's a good player but there are some scary parts of his game still and his summer, like Amare and Melo's was last year, will probably be filled more with rehab than working on correcting his game. I'll take a guy like Delonte West for $1.5 and spend my money elsewhere. Not the end of the world if we do but I'd rather go in another direction. If we do give the MLE to Lin, we better not bring back Fields. That Fields/Lin combo CANNOT be our backcourt next year.

[Rameek]

they better keep him. the knicks has NOT drafted or developed one young player. this is the time to buck that trend. i am tired of the grass is greener philosophy.

develop some player some time soon knicks organization.

[franchize]

they better keep him. the knicks has NOT drafted or developed one young player. this is the time to buck that trend. i am tired of the grass is greener philosophy.

develop some player some time soon knicks organization.

I agree we need to develop young talent. I'm just not sure it HAS to be Lin, especially at the cost of our MLE. What we NEED to be doing is seeing if we can get back into the 1st round of the draft.

[Rameek]

I agree we need to develop young talent. I'm just not sure it HAS to be Lin, especially at the cost of our MLE. What we NEED to be doing is seeing if we can get back into the 1st round of the draft.
If not now then when? Again the grass is greener mentality.

Go into another year with an ever changing roster. The Knicks are too dysfunctional with major turnover every year with coaches and roster.

At some point their needs to be continuity. If this team plans to be a contender anytime soon they need to develop talent and get a team that can play together.

The roster is going to change but I rather them keep a potential starting 4 to get things rolling ASAP.

[franchize]

If not now then when? Again the grass is greener mentality.

Go into another year with an ever changing roster. The Knicks are too dysfunctional with major turnover every year with coaches and roster.

At some point their needs to be continuity. If this team plans to be a contender anytime soon they need to develop talent and get a team that can play together.

The roster is going to change but I rather them keep a potential starting 4 to get things rolling ASAP.

It's not the grass is greener mentality with me. I've complained year after year about stop gap solutions and roster changes. That doesn't mean I'm going to spend what little money I have on a guy I'm not sure of. I'm in total agreement about getting a young guy and sticking with him. I feel the same way about the coaching staff. I'm just not sure Lin's that guy. Some douche was posting in the ESPN comments section about which PGs are better than Lin and vice versa. I thought I'd make a list. U means guy is better than Lin, or an upgrade over him IMO. D means the guy is a downgrade from Lin IMO. E represents a guy who's about even in talent.

Celtics
Rondo-U- not a fan of his at all but I'd be lying if I said he isn't better.
Bradley-E- way better defensively. Not sure he can run a team yet.

Brooklyn
Williams-U- no brainer. Top 3 PG in the league IMO

76ers
Jrue Holiday-E-I'd rather Lin but their games are about even.
Lou Williams-E-He can really light it up but whats his true position?

Raptors
Jose Calderon-E-He puts up 8 dimes a game and he lit Lin up but I still think Lin is as good as him
Jerryd Bayless-E-I've always liked his game. Sucks he's stuck in Toronto.

Bulls
Derrick Rose-U- I think this is obvious. Lin can't hold his jock strap.
CJ Watson-D- Had a good year but I think Lin is better than him

Cavs
Kyrie Irving-U- Clearly better and younger. Will be a top 5-10 pg soon if not already

Pistons
Rodney Stuckey-E-About even. Stuckey is very inconsistent though
Brandon Knight-D-I guess he's the starter now. I like Lin better. I never likd Knights game, even in Kentucky.

Pacers
George Hill-D-Solid guy who won't make many mistakes but the Heat series is proving that he may just be a solid career backup.
Darren Collison-E-Playing realy well in the Heat series. Can't figure out why he's coming off the bench. About even with Lin although Lin is the better scorer.

Bucks
Brandon Jennings-U- He's erratic and it's frustrating but he's better than Lin.

Hawks
Jeff Teague-U- a slight upgrade but an upgrade nonetheless.

Bobcats
DJ Augustin-E- I'd rather Lin but their games aren't far apart.
Kemba Walker-U- Bobcats stunted his growth as a player. No way should he be splitting time with Augustin. His J needs to get better but you can't teach that quickness, handle, instincts and clutch gene. You either have it or you don't. He does.

Heat
Norris Cole-D- Lin is better than him. I would have loved to get Cole in the 2nd round last year though.
Mario Chalmers- D- Lin is definitely better than him although he intimidated Lin and got the better of him when they played each other.

Magic
Jameer Nelson-U- I don't get why people hate this guy. He can ball. I'd love it if he was the Knicks PG for the right price.I'd do a Dwight and Nelson for Amare and Chandler deal in a heartbeat.

Wizards
John Wall-U- not for long if he doesn't get a jumper. That said, he is one of the fastest players in the league and already a phenomenal passer.

Mavericks
Jason Kidd-D-At this stage in their careers, Kidd is a definite downgrade and represents the type of stop gap guys the Knicks always fall in love with.
Delonte West-E-His off the court problems distract from the fact that he can really ball. He'd be a cheap option this summer that we should look at.

Rockets
Goran Dragic-E- :confusedshrug: This one is tough. Some night they look even but some nights Dragic looks better. I'll keep it at even.
Kyle Lowry-U-I NEVER thought he'd be this good. He was the 3rd or 4th option at Villanova. He worked his but off though. He's a fiesty defender and a solid pg. Him and Shump in the backcourt would be a stiffling defensive weapon.

Grizzlies
Mike Conley-D- I like Lin better. I think Conley is erratic and overrated.

Hornets
Jarrett Jack-D- Jack will make less mistakes but probably less impactful plays also. See George Hill.

Spurs
Tony Parker-U- My pick for MVP this year. I think I rest my case

Nuggets
Ty Lawson-U- His series vs LA cemented my opinion about Ty. He's the real reason the Nuggets appear better. He was sitting behind Chauncey when Melo was there.

TWolves
Ricky Rubio-E- I think Lin is better but only slightly. Lin's injury wasn't nearly as serious so I'd take Lin.

Blazers
Raymond Felton-E-Unlike my dad, I don't think he's an upgrade but I do think they are about even. Felton was second only to Diaw in guys who completely blew up in the offseason.

Thunder
Russel Westbrook-U-Not a fan of his but c'mon...clearly better than Lin.

Jazz
Devin Harris-D-I've defended this guy for years but he's just never gotten better. Basketball IQ is severely lacking and if you don't have it at 29, you probably won't ge it.

Warriors
Steph Curry-U- Only question is his health. When he's on the court, he's clearly better.

Clippers
Chris Paul-U- :rolleyes: Is an explanation really needed?

Lakers
Ramon Sessions-D- Came up suprisingly small but I think it's in part because Brown keeps playing Blake in crunch time. :facepalm I feel like this guy has been a Knick for years seeing how he's always being talked about here lol

Suns
Nash-U-He's better, but I'd rather develop Lin. not a knock on Nash. He's a HOFer and still has some juice in the tank but really...how long would he be a Knick? A year, maybe 2 tops?

Kings
Isaiah Thomas-D- Kinda gace it to Lin when they played. Hes a downgrade but not by much. This guy was the last pick of the draft. These are the guys we should be targetting by trading Toney Douglas
Jimmer Fredette-D- :oldlol: remember him. Just thought I'd bring his name up out of oblivion.
Marcus Thornton-D-A big time scorer but I don't trust his ability to run a team. He's really a 2 guard in a pg's body.

[Rowe]

Good list. Thats about fair on each guy.

Marcus Thornton is basically an undersized SG tho.

But I completely disagree on Mike Conley, he had a terrible Game 7, but hes a far better PG option than Jeremy Lin. His Playoff numbers matched up against Chris Paul were very good. Not only that but he's one of the best PG's in the league in catch & shoot situations, which would make him valuable for playing along with Melo.

[Jasi]

I like the list and I agree almost entirely
I think Rubio would be a major upgrade though (never been high on him, but I think he proved doubters wrong showing he can be a factor in this league).

But I was wondering. I know you hate stop gap solutions, franchise; so do I generally.
But how much longer are we going to wait until the Knicks should be a legit contender?
I say 2 seasons MAX.
Melo is in his prime, so is Chandler. We are not Charlotte. We are 3-4 moves away from being a really scary team. If not next season, the following one we SHOULD be aiming at the ring.
That's why I think Nash can be a good piece for us, he can help us make a championship run now that we're almost at it.

[Clutch]

If I can choose between Nash and Lin for MLE I would take Nash without much hesitation.

Nash can still play at a high level for 2-3 seasons and to be fair he's much better at running the offense than Lin.
Lin scores more but Nash is a better passer,has a better court vision and is a deadly shooter.

If we are going to keep both Melo and Amare we need someone who can use them both properly. Nash could be that guy.

[franchize]

I don't think anyone would argue who's better. Of course Nash is better than Lin. I just don't see Nash wating to play here, or anywhere else for more than 2 years tops. He's made tons of business ventures in Canada recently. He just seems like a guy preparing himself for retirement and life in Canada.

[Sarcastic]

I want nothing to do with Nash. He is old, and with our luck his first year in NY would end up being the first where he starts to decline hard.

[Rameek]

Most of those guys were drafted or developed by that team. So your making my point. Who knows how good lin will be? Not like the knicks draft to develop!

[franchize]

Most of those guys were drafted or developed by that team. So your making my point.
Yea but Im sure all of their respective teams felt they would be the pg of the future n invested from there. Lin wasnt drafted by the Knicks so we have no obligation to him. We could trade/buy into the 1st round if we felt the need to... Then I would be proving your point. I think you feel like Im saying we should continue this carousel of pgs. No! i totally agree we should invest in a pg for the future. Im just not sold on that guy being Jeremy Lin and with the money he is about to potentially ask for, I want to be sold. I just dont want to give money away just because we need a pg. Thats how we ended up with Duhon. If thats the case, we could "invest" in douglas. Its like when I bought my car. I had a hooptie. It broke down. I new I needed a new one but I didnt just throw my money at the first shiny thing I saw with wheels. I did my hw, researched (scouted), and invested in a new car. Now, even tho it cost me way more than a used car would have, Im comfortable with my purchase because I feel confident it will get the job done for at least 4 yrs.

[Rameek]

my vote is bring him back teach the young dude how to play. Or don't sign him but complain that the knicks don't have a PG next season. There isn't a SG on the team until December. Nothing is never good enough. It has start somewhere development and continuity.

[el gringos]

It's not just me dreaming of putting argnani. Ext to Carmelo, I believe that you have to sign and trade Lin or sign him and keep him. The poker chip theory says you get something for nothing wand then all of a sudden that chip has value you have to play it. The safest bet you have is to trade him now while the value is what it is. I'm not saying gambling on Lin being a starting pg is or isn't a good bet but the idea of trading him for value is a great bet. Toronto wants him and they have the perfect player for the Knicks It's worth a shot

[knickscity]

Lin cannot be signed and traded for at least one year per cba rules.

[Rameek]

franchize i forgot to mention i loved your post about the PG's that was an AWESOME job!

[franchize]

franchize i forgot to mention i loved your post about the PG's that was an AWESOME job!

Thanks alot man!

[Snoop_Cat]

The problem with our backcourt is that to me, the talent level of it doesn't matter as much as the capability to mesh with our front court stars.

With Melo-Amare-Chandler, we need a pass first point guard who can do a bit of penetrating to either find Amare/Chandler on pick and roll types of plays, let Melo do some iso, and do a drive-and-pop to a shooter/Melo. Which also brings me to address the SG position in that we need a guy who can consistently knock down long shots and three's.

[BrooklynZoo]

although i dont approve of the Lin dickriding, I think the other side may be even more silly. At the end of the day we're talking about a 23 year old kid, who put up 20+ppg, 8+apg in his first real month of action, yet we have a number of people who dont believe we should invest the FULL MLE (as if some huge number) on him SMH:facepalm

[franchize]

although i dont approve of the Lin dickriding, I think the other side may be even more silly. At the end of the day we're talking about a 23 year old kid, who put up 20+ppg, 8+apg in his first real month of action, yet we have a number of people who dont believe we should invest the FULL MLE (as if some huge number) on him SMH:facepalm
Yea but what people dont realize is that he isnt just getting the MLE. Hes getting a contract that STARTS at the MLE. Its going to be a 4yr deal most likely and its probably going to be heavily backloaded.

[knickscity]

The most Lin can make is 4 yr 36 mil.

By the time that backload kicks in, the other guys will be an expiring contract, so Dolan bites the bullet for only one year.

[franchize]

The most Lin can make is 4 yr 36 mil.

By the time that backload kicks in, the other guys will be an expiring contract, so Dolan bites the bullet for only one year.

That's almost 26 mil in the last 2 years though. That contract averages out to 9 mil a year. That's pretty steep if you ask me. I'm not saying Lin stinks and we need to get rid of him. I'm saying if you give him that money, you'd better be sure he is good.

[BrooklynZoo]

Yea but what people dont realize is that he isnt just getting the MLE. Hes getting a contract that STARTS at the MLE. Its going to be a 4yr deal most likely and its probably going to be heavily backloaded.


good point as most people dont know about that (i didnt), including the naysayers who dont want to sign him simply for the MLE.

are they able to sign him to a 1 year MLE deal or do they have to match years with other teams? that would complicate things if another team could simply offer a longer deal

[knickscity]

That's almost 26 mil in the last 2 years though. That contract averages out to 9 mil a year. That's pretty steep if you ask me. I'm not saying Lin stinks and we need to get rid of him. I'm saying if you give him that money, you'd better be sure he is good.
It is pretty steep, true enough, but his value off the court is the driving factor, even though I think the kid will be solid by then.

BTW, did you see his new jacket?

http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/nike-jeremy-lin-destroyer-jacket-year-of-the-dragon-01.jpg

http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/nike-jeremy-lin-destroyer-jacket-year-of-the-dragon-02.jpg

http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/nike-jeremy-lin-destroyer-jacket-year-of-the-dragon-08.jpg

[knickscity]

good point as most people dont know about that (i didnt), including the naysayers who dont want to sign him simply for the MLE.

are they able to sign him to a 1 year MLE deal or do they have to match years with other teams? that would complicate things if another team could simply offer a longer deal
We have to offer the qualifying offer, which basically makes him restricted, but really is just a formality.

If Lin signs an off sheet, we can't come back and do a one year deal with, we have to match or he's gone.

The things about the backload is the team offering it also has to have that cap space available too, but it's really gonna be a ploy to make the Knicks pay more.

[Sarcastic]

It is pretty steep, true enough, but his value off the court is the driving factor, even though I think the kid will be solid by then.

BTW, did you see his new jacket?

http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/nike-jeremy-lin-destroyer-jacket-year-of-the-dragon-01.jpg

http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/nike-jeremy-lin-destroyer-jacket-year-of-the-dragon-02.jpg

http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/nike-jeremy-lin-destroyer-jacket-year-of-the-dragon-08.jpg

Tacky.

[knickscity]

Sarc, you don't like that?

I wouldn't rock it, because it's not my style, but the it's tight to me.

[Sarcastic]

Sarc, you don't like that?

I wouldn't rock it, because it's not my style, but the it's tight to me.

A varsity jacket that isn't even of a team? No way!

[Scoooter]

I like the colors. The Knicks uniforms should use something more like that (the shade of blue especially).

[Sarcastic]

I like the colors. The Knicks uniforms should use something more like that (the shade of blue especially).

I'm colorblind. It looks like purple to me (sorta).

[franchize]

I wouldn't wear it but it's not bad. No grown man NOT named Jeremy Lin should be caught wearing it really. That's suspect lol

The only thing I don't like is the dragon. Reminds me of those kids that used to wear those lame button down shirts that had the Dragon Ball Z characters on it lmao.

I like how they flipped the Harvard logo to say Lin.


I'm colorblind. It looks like purple to me (sorta).

Yea pretty much.... you're colorblind :oldlol:

I've actually been looking for a Knicks or Mets jacket to get. Been searching all over for a Starter jacket. I remember me and my dad had like 3 Knicks ones in my house when I was growing up. All the ones I see now are either worn or ridiculously overpriced.

[Rameek]

Until you guys put the numbers to the deal 4 yrs 36 mil. after all the annual raises. I didnt think we would have to give him the full MLE.

This is how I think about it. Who is better with potential Jeffries or Lin? I say this because Jeffries got the MLE to be a 15 minute player (which was a terrible deal!) Is Lins present ability and potential better than Jeffries? This is my rationalization in a way.

[franchize]

Until you guys put the numbers to the deal 4 yrs 36 mil. after all the annual raises. I didnt think we would have to give him the full MLE.

This is how I think about it. Who is better with potential Jeffries or Lin? I say this because Jeffries got the MLE to be a 15 minute player (which was a terrible deal!) Is Lins present ability and potential better than Jeffries? This is my rationalization in a way.


Wait so are you supporting it or not because your rationalization makes me all the more weary about investing the MLE in Lin.

[Rameek]

Wait so are you supporting it or not because your rationalization makes me all the more weary about investing the MLE in Lin.
i support part not all but if it comes down to all or nothing I guess all would be ok. I just dont have faith in the Knicks to sign someone or make a trade and I would hate for another year of having no PG going into the season.

The Knicks survived Jeffries with the Mid Level I guess the Knicks could survive again.

[Sarcastic]

If we win the hearing on June 13, we won't have to use the MLE on him. We would have his Bird rights and can save it for Nash or anyone else.

[franchize]

If we win the hearing on June 13, we won't have to use the MLE on him. We would have his Bird rights and can save it for Nash or anyone else.
From what I'vebeen reading, we have a very slim chance of winning that hearing. Either way, I don't want Nash AND Lin. That would almost guarantee we'll have no SG.

[Rameek]

From what I'vebeen reading, we have a very slim chance of winning that hearing. Either way, I don't want Nash AND Lin. That would almost guarantee we'll have no SG.
Bro the Knicks have no cap room so the pickings are slim.

[franchize]

Bro the Knicks have no cap room so the pickings are slim.

That's why I'm saying, if we go with Lin, use the money we'd spend on Nash on a SG instead.Basically, the theme of everything I've been saying regarding Jeremy Lin is, the only way I think we should re-sign him is if we think he's ready to start from day 1 next year. He isn't a young QB. I don't want him "sitting behind [Nash] to learn the position." I know essentially the PG position is similar to a QB in football but I don't think the position necessarily progresses the same way in basketball.

[Sarcastic]

From what I'vebeen reading, we have a very slim chance of winning that hearing. Either way, I don't want Nash AND Lin. That would almost guarantee we'll have no SG.

Iman Shumpert? :confusedshrug:

And if we win the hearing, we can offer more to JR Smith if need be.

[Rameek]

Iman Shumpert? :confusedshrug:

And if we win the hearing, we can offer more to JR Smith if need be.
Shump is not expected back until December or So. This is going to be tricky regardless. Gotta fill out the roster with no cap space. I think we have to secure that position and I dont want to go into the draft without knowing who the PG is going to be.

Is there a rule that the knicks cant buy draft picks because they are over the cap? Cleveland and Portland have a SH!T load of picks this year!

[knickscity]

We can't buy a draft pick because teams are only allowed to spend 3 mil once per year, and we spent ours moving Turiaf to make room for Tyson.

The draft is considered part of the '11-12 season, as the new season being July 1.

[BrooklynZoo]

If we win the hearing on June 13, we won't have to use the MLE on him. We would have his Bird rights and can save it for Nash or anyone else.


how much would his contract be worth if they win the hearing?

[bluechox2]

how much would his contract be worth if they win the hearing?
i think the gilbert arenas provision still applies

[el gringos]

We can't buy a draft pick because teams are only allowed to spend 3 mil once per year, and we spent ours moving Turiaf to make room for Tyson.

The draft is considered part of the '11-12 season, as the new season being July 1.
terrible news= cant buy a pick to grab the pg of the future Jared Cunningham, cant s&t Lin with amare to grab bargnani = will be a tough job to improve the roster and fill the holes. great news for fields and lins agents

[knickscity]

terrible news= cant buy a pick to grab the pg of the future Jared Cunningham, cant s&t Lin with amare to grab bargnani = will be a tough job to improve the roster and fill the holes. great news for fields and lins agents
It's kinda the price paid for having a top heavy payroll, but isn't a terrible thing.

The majority of team are over the cap, so some pretty decent guys will have to be forced to take min deals.

The roster will look just fine, just have to really scouts some players out.

[franchize]

terrible news= cant buy a pick to grab the pg of the future Jared Cunningham, cant s&t Lin with amare to grab bargnani = will be a tough job to improve the roster and fill the holes. great news for fields and lins agents
Cunningham is good but Id rather a pure point. Hes kinda like a Austin Rivers type. Either way, he could be there when we pick. In fact, one mock had us taking him. Nbadraft.net

As for that trade, I wouldnt do that deal anyway.

We will b fine if we do our hw and get quality basketball players. Three things have historically plagued us when it comes to filling out our roster.
1. Signing has beens based on their name and trying to resurrect what once was.
2. Signing one dimensional players who are only good for one thing on the court.
3. Getting tweeners and guys with no real position.

There are guys out there for cheap. We just need to be diligent n stop taking the easy way out. Get guys you can develop that can possibly be fixtures in your roster going forward.