Pacers, Warriors trade 8 players: Murphy, Dunleavy, Harrington, Jackson, more

[qwerty]

http://www.insidehoops.com/pacers-warriors-trade-011707.shtml

Indiana Gets:

PF Troy Murphy
SF Mike Dunleavy
PF Ike Diogu
PG Keith McLeod

Golden State Gets:

F Al Harrington
SF Stephen Jackson
G Sarunas Jasikevicius
SF Josh Powell

[JordanPippenRodman]

how did Indiana pull that off?

[hotsizzle]

Oh sh!t.


The Golden State Warriors have agreed to trade Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Ike Diogu and Keith McLeod to the Indiana Pacers for Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson, Sarunas Jasikevicius and Josh Powell, NBA front-office sources tell ESPN.com's Marc Stein.

The trade is scheduled to be announced later Wednesday.

finally I can root for Ike now. Indy wins this

[boozehound]

wow, wow wow. Man I cant see giving up 2/3 of your primary scoring for Dunleavy, tmurph and diogu. It will be interesting to see how both teams respond

[bjtrdff]

I love this trade GS.They get ride of Murphy and Dunleavy, and get Jackson and Harrington. JAckson might be a bit crazy, but these two are going to be fantastic under Nellie.
Jasikevicus might even flourish under the GS system.


All of a sudden

Baron Davis
Jason Richardson
Monta Ellis
Al Harrington
Biedrins

With a great bench.


The Murphy and Dunleavy should fit the Pacers really well too, and Ike gives them another good youngin.

Good trade for both sides.

[ThaKid]

i kinda like this trade for both teams

[JordanPippenRodman]

Indiana must think Jermaine O'Neal and Troy Murphy will cause havoc in the post.

[Balla_Status]

i would say GS is getting the better side. Stephen jackson is a very good player and i think al harrington is better than murphy. Don nelson is a master

[JordanPippenRodman]

i would say GS is getting the better side. Stephen jackson is a very good player and i think al harrington is better than murphy. Don nelson is a master

Some people think Stephen Jackson is a thug and locker room cancer. I bet Indiana did.

[JSub]

My only concern is how this will affect my fantasy squads.

[JordanPippenRodman]

The Warriors seem to lose a lot of big players in this trade...

[bringthetruth]

how did Indiana pull that off?

That's a PR move Indiana people don't like Blacks who get in trouble.:no:

[krayziejcs]

seems to me GS gets the better end of this deal :confusedshrug:

[dejordan]

i haven't seen many (any?) pacers games this year. didn't indi just trade away its best small forward, two guard, and it's only reliable back-up point (with an injury prone starter)? how are they going to fill the holes around the perimeter? can granger or dunleavy start at any spot other than the 3? do they have enough deep threats without jackson and sarunas?

[bonez26]

Ind got the better of this deal.

Murphy > Harrington - Murphy has been a walking double double till this season
Jackson>DunLeavy -Up to now Dunleavy still has done nothing
IKE>Jasikeviscius - same as above thought he would be a stud in the NBA but is no better than a backup PG at best. IKE has a much better ceiling and is younger

Keith Maccleod>Josh Powell been in the league longer and more of a presence.

IND Wins

[dak121]

Highway robbery for the Warriors. Harrington is better than Murphy, Jackson (even with his legal troubles) is STILL more productive than Dunleavy Jr. And Jasicabbages is a nice 3rd guard for Ellis and Davis.

All the Pacers got out of it was 2 overpaid underachievers and Diogu. Didn't even get O'Bryant who could've helped them.

What has happened to the Pacers? It's like Bird just got slapped with a stupid stick or something.

[FireMcFailPlease]

I give Stephen Jackson 4 days until he finds himself in the Oakland city jail.

[scipio]

As a Pacer fan, I really like this trade. Jackson and Harrington were part of the problem here, not the solution. Diogu is the guy I'm happiest to see added, and he could be a really nice pick up for the Pacers. Murphy and Dunleavy are overpaid, certainly, but so are Jax and Harrington. Dunleavy in particular is not someone I'm thrilled to see the Pacers acquire, but let's see what happens with him. Murphy gives us another big guy who can play in the rotation, and he seems to rebound fairly well. Perhaps the best part of this is that Granger should move into the starting lineup and not have to fight for minutes with Harrington and others.

[All Net]

great trade by GS

[saKf]

HUGE trade for Indiana, if you ask me.

They give up Black Hole Harrington, and a cancer-type guy in Jackson. They give up a young guy they weren't using that much, and a Euro who disappointed from the moment they signed him.

In return, they get a big who stretches the floor just as well as Harrington did to compliment O'Neal, but Murphy's a much better rebounder. They get a fit-in player like Dunleavy, who I imagine will be better under Carlisle than he was under Nelson.

The icing on the cake? Ike Diogu. AWESOME young post player. What a guy to have as your first big off the bench. O'Neal leaves the game and you don't lose very much down low.

Really good trade for Indiana.

[saKf]

I'm surprised to see the difference of opinions on this one...

[ThaKid]

I give Stephen Jackson 4 days until he finds himself in the Oakland city jail.
kinda old now

[FireMcFailPlease]

Dumping Stephen jackson is an auto win for indy in any trade.

[konex]

The Indy guys fit Nellie's fun-gun style and the GS guys are solid players who can't get on the floor in the Warriors new system..

[JordanPippenRodman]

Nelson loves small ball. One drawback for indiana is their defense will suffer.

[dak121]

Dumping Stephen jackson is an auto win for indy in any trade.

But is it a really win to take on Murphy and Dunleavy's terrible contracts?


Nelson loves small ball too much. One drawback for indiana is their defense will suffer.

Understatement. Eddy Curry is a better defender than Murphy. And Dunleavy barely knows what defense is himself. Carlisle has his work cut out for him.

[saKf]

Also, this trade gives a bigger role to Danny Granger. That cannot possibly be a bad thing. Harrington was getting in the way a little, if you ask me.

[dirkdiggler41]

No loser in this trade. I would never touch Murphys and Dunleavy's contract

[Dr.Funk]

Indy is the easy winner of this deal.

[FireMcFailPlease]

But is it a really win to take on Murphy and Dunleavy's terrible contracts?
I dunno bout that. See how it works out between them. If they win more then they previous have, obvious its a win.

im not a great indiana pacers cap space mind, so if they can take them on, minds well.:confusedshrug:

[saKf]

But is it a really win to take on Murphy and Dunleavy's terrible contracts?
Financially, no.

But if the team gets better as much as I think this trade improves Indiana, then it's worth it.

If it doesn't work out, you're stuck with Murphy and Dunleavy. But financially speaking that's not a WHOLE lot worse than being stuck with Harrington and Jackson. Financially it's worse, but on the court it's much better (for chemistry's sake).

[bokes15]

I'm surprised that GS let go of Ike Diogu without getting Jermaine O'neal. I'd have thought they'd want a center back, but i guess they think that getting Harrington balances things out.

[dejordan]

anybody have any idea what indi's going to do on the guard front? do they have a backup for tinsley? do they have a starting caliber 2 guard?

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

anybody have any idea what indi's going to do on the guard front? do they have a backup for tinsley? do they have a starting caliber 2 guard?

Marquis Daniels will probably slide over and play the point guard position on occasions. He's not a typical point but if they want to rest Tinsley for a few minutes here and there, Marquis an handle that job.

[JordanPippenRodman]

anybody have any idea what indi's going to do on the guard front? do they have a backup for tinsley? do they have a starting caliber 2 guard?

tinsley is injury prone too.

[dejordan]

Marquis Daniels will probably slide over and play the point guard position on occasions. He's not a typical point but if they want to rest Tinsley for a few minutes here and there, Marquis an handle that job.
so do you think they'll have a three guard rotation with tinsley, daniels, and murphy? defensively challenged! they do have good shot blockers in the back line.

[saKf]

I've heard some real frustration aimed at Daniels from Pacer fans.

If he really stinks it up after this trade, it'll be bad for Indiana. He'll probably start at the two.

I suppose Granger can play some two, providing that the opposing two isn't SUPER quick. Granger's pretty darn good. I'd trust him guarding a lot of shooting guards.

[Ghost_Delay]

Golden State => pwnage
They have enough options at SG that they don't even have to play Jackson if he turns out to be a cancer, Jasikevicius is a good fit for a running team, Harrington is going to be better than what Murphy was bringing so far this season.

Indiana now has the players to play the way Carlisle wants to: SLOW. Less dumb turnovers, less quality but a more efficient system. Probably a few things about Harrington & the others that we don't know about, bad chemistry etc..
This gives Granger more time & gives them a very deep C-PF rotation (O'Neal, Foster, Baston, Harrison, Murphy, Diogu), I'm guessing they'll make another trade soon to get a guard.

[Smokee]

makes sense for both teams. I'm surprised this just happened tho.

[ShawnieMac06]

This trade might eventually work out for both sides, but I think State is the clear winner in this trade, because they get back better talent and they become a stronger offensive team, especially when Jason Richardson comes back from injury (although he could be the next one gone, you never know). It's possible that Murphy and Dunleavy, Jr. could flourish in the East, they can't get any worse.

[wang4three]

I think Golden State will be better off. They didn't need Troy, Ike, and Dunleavy is replacable. However, Indy needed Harrington and Jackson for scoring purposes. They must be banking that Troy is going to get back to being 15/10 player, which I hope so...but both him and JO like to jump shoot so I'll be interested how that works out.

[dejordan]

i didn't realize the trade made indi THAT deep up front. you're right. there is probably another trade coming.

[Ghost_Delay]

Could've known something was up when Don Nelson recalled O'Bryant, their rookie center from the D-League.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Indiana Owned Golden State.

Mike Dunleavy, Ike Diogu and Troy Murphy are going to own.

Jackson, Harrington and Sasha will do good to but i'm like this boost for the front court for pacers.

Damn, howd they pull that off

[BradMiller52]

GS rapes the hell outta Indiana here. I mean Murphy is decent but extremely overpaid and Dunleavy sucks and is extremely overpaid also. Harrington can score, his contract doesn't suck as much as Murphy and Dunleavy's, and he fits in with what Nelly will want to do. Jackson is a headcase but I rather have him than Dunleavy. Jaseskivich or whatever his name is might flourish under Nelly too. They got all that for 2 horrible contracts and an undersized PF who wouldn't get any time on their team.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Ike Diogu is the big part in the trade, i think he sealed who got the better deal.

[God of BasketBall]

Ind got the better of this deal.

Murphy > Harrington - Murphy has been a walking double double till this season
Jackson>DunLeavy -Up to now Dunleavy still has done nothing
IKE>Jasikeviscius - same as above thought he would be a stud in the NBA but is no better than a backup PG at best. IKE has a much better ceiling and is younger

Keith Maccleod>Josh Powell been in the league longer and more of a presence.

IND Wins

Troy Murphy is not better than Al Harrington. Walkin double double? :oldlol:

[dgilbert]

this looks to me as two teams heading trying to head into different directions, Golden State has improved a lot with this trade, because they got the better players, that will come in and impact them immediately, it remains to be seen if it will have a positive or negative impact, because it will take time for the chemistry thing to workout. For Indiana this is a huge step towards rebuilding, they've gotten younger guys, that they are hoping will make them better in another year or so. Time will tell who wins this trade, in the short term i'd give it to GS, but 2-3 or years from now it could be a landslide win for Indy, if Ike turns into the type of player many invision.

[KobeBalboa]

Ike Diogu is the big part in the trade, i think he sealed who got the better deal.


I agree.

Basically it's 2 Indy players who fit GS's system better for 2 GS players who fit Indy's system better.
However, getting Diogu is huge for the Pacers.
Also, let me say that I appreciate Indy's system a whole lot more.

Indy > GS.

[saKf]

This trade might eventually work out for both sides, but I think State is the clear winner in this trade, because they get back better talent and they become a stronger offensive team
Becoming a stronger offensive team is just about the last thing Golden State needs.

Again, I'm really surprised on the variety of opinions on this.

[ChuckOakley]

Did anybody hear rumours of this trade before today?

Because.........

Why do we seemingly get dozens of rumours thrown at us each day that never happen, and yet the only trades that do happen are the ones that are never even heard of ahead of time.

In other words I think its funny we waste our time reading all the rumours day in and day out for no reason.

Sports journalists who speculate and report rumours all day really should not have a job (no offense Jeff)

[ElPigto]

This is Sarunas time to shine. He better take advantage of playing with Nelly.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Keith Maccleod>Josh Powell been in the league longer and more of a presence.


Josh Powell >>>

Al Harrington > Troy Murphy but like i said Ike Diogu is the X-Fact in the deal. If it was Dunleavy and Murphy for Harrington, Saronus and Jax then i say G.S. Rapes them.

[R.I.P.]

So what do you expect the new starting line-ups will look like?

Tinsley
Daniels
Granger
O

[saKf]

Maybe people just don't value Diogu as highly as I do.

The guy is money in the post and hits his free throws. Not a bad rebounder.

He's a young guy who tears it up in the middle. He's just not a Don Nelson-type player, so he hasn't seen a lot of burn.

I really think Diogu puts this trade squarely in favor of Indiana.

[heavensdevil]

wow... Murphy, dunleavy and diogu... thats alot of potential right there.
Al Harrington is on my Fantasy team, yall see his numbers going up in Golden state?

[saKf]

[QUOTE]Tinsley
Daniels
Granger
Murphy
O

[konex]

Will Indy turn around and trade Dunleavy for Magette now? They've wanted Maggs since last year. Is that even possible under trade rules?

[crisoner]

wow huge trade man....

i think players can flourish in both systems.

Warriors are gunna be better soon....Pacers later...(with Ike)....does this mean J.O. is probably gunna go?

Come to LA buddy!

[God of BasketBall]

Did anybody hear rumours of this trade before today?

Because.........

Why do we seemingly get dozens of rumours thrown at us each day that never happen, and yet the only trades that do happen are the ones that are never even heard of ahead of time.

In other words I think its funny we waste our time reading all the rumours day in and day out for no reason.

Sports journalists who speculate and report rumours all day really should not have a job (no offense Jeff)

Not quite. GSW have been trying to unload Troy Murphy for some time, as was Indy and Sjax. Finding takers was the tough part. We dont waste time on trade rumors because some rumors are valid but fall thru for various reasons. Sports journalist have access to people who work in the front office and leaks happen. They wont say what the exact trade is because sports journalist reporting the actual deal a week or couple days ahead of time would piss off the franchise. But hearing who is on the table, who is being talked about as far as names thrown around happens.

[konex]

Al Harrington is on my Fantasy team, yall see his numbers going up in Golden state?

Frikken Matt Barnes is soring in the teens there. He'll do great :oldlol:

[saKf]

Will Indy turn around and trade Dunleavy for Magette now? They've wanted Maggs since last year. Is that even possible under trade rules?
It's possible to trade Dunleavy now, just not with any other players for a period of either 30 or 60 days (don't remember).

If they got Maggette for Dunleavy, that would just be an unreal deal for them.

[God of BasketBall]

wow... Murphy, dunleavy and diogu... thats alot of potential right there.
Al Harrington is on my Fantasy team, yall see his numbers going up in Golden state?

What potential does Troy Murphy have?

[wang4three]

It's possible to trade Dunleavy now, just not with any other players for a period of either 30 or 60 days (don't remember).

If they got Maggette for Dunleavy, that would just be an unreal deal for them.
While it's possible, I'd think it would've been better if they just did a three way then.

[BradMiller52]

Ike Diogu is the big part in the trade, i think he sealed who got the better deal.



I don't see what's so great about an undersized PF who couldn't get time over Murphy and Dunleavy.

[zybine]

Mixed feelings on this one. Rebounding and low post presence are now GS' big issue. Lots of pressure on young Biedrins' shoulders since O' Bryant is not ready yet. On the other side, log jam on the guard front. I can't see how Richardson, Jackson and Davis (not to mention Pietrus, Jasikevicius and Ellis) are going to share the minutes and the calls. I figure either Baron or Jackson will have to leave.

GS are going to be fun to watch. Successful ? Hard to tell

[gsxr1kryder]

what is the rules for players that have been traded? how long before they can be traded again? i know there's a certain time frame.

If it's more than 30 days, then i'm probably wrong, but I think they just got Dunleavy to try and trade him to his dad in Clipperland. didn't they try to go after C. Maggette awhile back?
I just don't see Dunleavy in their future.

[bonez26]

Troy Murphy is not better than Al Harrington. Walkin double double?

Here are his stats:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/troy_murphy/career_stats.html

so for the last four years he's averaged double doubles...the one year he didn't he was injured most of the season. This year he didn't play his natural position and is not suited to the 5. Basically he's a good player that if used correctly he can produce a double double every game.

[lakerfreak]

Funny how things work out.

Al traded to GS after being signed by Indiana because he wanted to go back...then being traded to a team that heavily pursued him in the offseason.

Would this make Harrington angry?

[Xplicit]

I am shocked by how many people saying the Warriors are the clear winner of this trade. I think it's pretty even, but if anything, the Pacers win this deal based on the fact alone that they got Diogu, the most valuable player of all 8 players involved in the trade. Diogu was misused in GS; glad to see he will finally have a real chance to shine..

The Warriors add a lot of offensive firepower with this trade, but did they have trouble scoring in the first place? Nope. Their problem, as is the problem with every team coached by Nellie, is on the defensive end. Golden State will slap 110+ points on you easy, but if they give up 120 every night, that team's going nowhere.

The Pacers, on the other hand, get rid of the headcases in Jackson/Harrington and get more players that may fit into Carlisle's system. They also now have a legit big to complement O'Neal, something the Pacers have needed since they let Brad Miller go. They take in some bad contracts, but hey.. you can't win on all counts. Ike Diogu baby!

So to wrap up, GS adds unnecessary scoring and gets worse defensively, and the Pacers add players that they actually need. Winner of the trade is Indiana IMO

[fatboy11]

Indy all the fu*king way on this one. Wow.

Very one-sided, IMO. Murph, Ike, and Junior for Harrington (Murph does what he does and more), Jackson (addition by subtraction), and Saras (Euroleague is that way --->).

[saKf]

While it's possible, I'd think it would've been better if they just did a three way then.
I imagine that Maggette, if moved, won't move until the deadline.

LA probably wants to make sure that it gets the best value possible. Maybe Toronto is considering Peterson and a throw-in, which would save them money.

I dunno. I see what you're saying, but I still see it as very possible.

[SCY]

Who's going to score the ball in Indiana now? And they haven't exactly improved their defense either, and have added two huge contracts for players that aren't worth them. With the needless depth of big men there now, I'm sensing that JO might be headed out next.

[saKf]

I don't see what's so great about an undersized PF who couldn't get time over Murphy and Dunleavy.
It's not that he couldn't get time.

It's that he didn't fit Don Nelson's vision for the team.

He fits Rick Carlisle's vision of a team much, MUCH better.

[ZHAKIDD532]

im gonna wait to see how it turns out but, it initially looks to be pro indy

[saKf]

Fatboy11 and Xplicit are about the only thing keeping me from thinking I'm insane.

I see this as a clear Indiana win and can't believe that more posters aren't agreeing.

[SCY]

Well, I think Indiana can still be the "winner" of this trade, if they get a good deal for JO and Digou does blossom as his replacement. Basically depends on how good Diogu is.

[KobeBalboa]

Warriors fans say that Diogu has been regressing. Is that true?

[Qwyjibo]

Wow, Golden State actually found someone to not only take Dunleavy's contract off their hands but Murphy's too?!?!

Harrington at PF in the West is kinda iffy (that is where he'd play right?) but I think he'll put up some great #'s in GS and he's the best player in the trade. Indy kills any cap room they might've had and who starts there now?? Granger at the 2-guard?

I think I like this deal for GS. So if fully healthy they have a starting lineup of:

Baron Davis
Ellis
Pietrus
Harrington
Biedrins

??

Looks good to me.

[God of BasketBall]

Here are his stats:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/troy_murphy/career_stats.html

so for the last four years he's averaged double doubles...the one year he didn't he was injured most of the season. This year he didn't play his natural position and is not suited to the 5. Basically he's a good player that if used correctly he can produce a double double every game.

He shoots like his last name is "Iverson". And is being paid like his last name was "Iverson." (not really but he makes far more than his worth).

[ShawnieMac06]

Becoming a stronger offensive team is just about the last thing Golden State needs.

Again, I'm really surprised on the variety of opinions on this.

I agree, that's why I made the point of State being a stronger offensive team...plenty of offensive between Baron, JR, Harrington, Ellis, and Jackson to go around, but they're sure as hell aren't any better defensively. Don Nelson basically molding this Warrior team like his old Warriors and Mavericks team--run and gun basketball with very little defensive output.

[boozehound]

Here are his stats:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/troy_murphy/career_stats.html

so for the last four years he's averaged double doubles...the one year he didn't he was injured most of the season. This year he didn't play his natural position and is not suited to the 5. Basically he's a good player that if used correctly he can produce a double double every game.
co sign. although I doubt tMurph as a long term fix for indy he has put up great stats until this year. If he starts back at the 4, with foster the first big in I expect Indy to crush on the boards. T Murph could be a great compliment to that frontcourt. Dunleavy? We'll see but at least they have a reasonable backup 3 now (for 15 billion a season)

[God of BasketBall]

Troy wishes he could score like Al Harrington. Al is the better player and at best Troy may be a better fit, but so far this season isnt doing much for various reasons.

[boozehound]

Who's going to score the ball in Indiana now? And they haven't exactly improved their defense either, and have added two huge contracts for players that aren't worth them. With the needless depth of big men there now, I'm sensing that JO might be headed out next.
dude, tmuprh is a capable scorer and has pretty good range. again he has averaged double-double up till this year. he could easily elevate that to the 15 that al harrington contributed (and probably with a few less shots)

[BradMiller52]

Well Diogu's gotten overrated extremely fast.

[mavsfan4zindagi]

Looks like both teams could get better from this trade. I'd put my money on Golden State putting it together though. Nellie looks like he's got some of his kinda guys.

[SCY]

Harrington shoots a much better percentage form the floor than Murphy.

[bonez26]

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Troy wishes he could score like Al Harrington. Al is the better player and at best Troy may be a better fit, but so far this season isnt doing much for various reasons.

Yes he's a better scorer but definitely not a better rebounder. Murphy is also younger has better range and is a lefty which is always a mismatch in itself.

[Qwyjibo]

Even if Murphy had better range than Harrington (which isn't even true), it doesn't matter if he can't make the shots as often as Harrington does. Murphy takes so many dumb longer jumpers that he probably should shorten that range of his.

[BFRESH44]

Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy's contracts are OD.

Especially Dunleavy...He is certified trash. And Diogu can be something under Carslie...But that's about the only positive to this trade on their front IMO.

Golden State dumped atrocious contracts/salary and got Al Harrington (best player in the trade)..

And S-Jax >>>>> Dunleavy..

G-State gets my vote on this...

[naptown]

I'm a Pacers fan and I am anxious to see the results. I am VERY glad to get rid of Jackson. I am also ok with letting the other 3 go. Al didnt hit the boards like we needed him to and Sarunas is very inconsistant (and was an ******* to me at a club...:cheers: ). I remember the Pacers wanting Diogu last season and I hope he can do something big in Indy. When I first heard the trade I only heard the Pacers names and was hoping for Ellis but I assume that was pretty much impossible. I was feeling GS got the better of us but it has me feeling better with all the Indy support here on the forums. Addition by subtraction is right. I just hope they work well together at first...Id hate to lose to the knicks Saturday.
BTW no one mentioned Orien Greene at the point. He's tough with sick D. I wanted him coming off the bench before Sarunas. I hope he gets some minutes now.

Edit: What was GS lineup before the trade?

[PacerRaptor]

i think Indy got the better end in this deal...Ike has soooo much potential, he can be an Elton Brand type of player....i think Murphy should be a good PF in the East, he causes a lot of match up problems...especially with his ability to shoot the 3

i wonder what Indys start 5 will be:

Tinsely
Dunlevy
Granger
JO
Foster
????/

of even Murphy at the 3

[JordanPippenRodman]

This trade might eventually work out for both sides, but I think State is the clear winner in this trade, because they get back better talent and they become a stronger offensive team, especially when Jason Richardson comes back from injury (although he could be the next one gone, you never know). It's possible that Murphy and Dunleavy, Jr. could flourish in the East, they can't get any worse.

that's a good post. the thing that indy could get is chemistry and passion for Carlisle's system. but GS did get the better talent. That euro they picked up is no slouch. Especially, in a run and gun type of system.

[saKf]

i think Indy got the better end in this deal...Ike has soooo much potential, he can be an Elton Brand type of player....i think Murphy should be a good PF in the East, he causes a lot of match up problems...especially with his ability to shoot the 3

i wonder what Indys start 5 will be:

Tinsely
Dunlevy
Granger
JO
Foster
????/

of even Murphy at the 3
Murphy ain't playin' no three.

I imagine it'll be O'Neal, Murphy, Granger, Daniels and Tinsley, though I think it'll take a few games for them to come to that conclusion.

[boozehound]

I would tend to agree with SAKF with foster the first big off the bench most nights. Man this indy team has changed alot over the last 5 years

[FPower]

This is a great trade! I don't know who got the better end of the deal, which probably means neither team got ripped off. Both of them just took some pieces that they didn't want and moved them for some the other team didn't want.

Any Golden State fans around here? Can Murphy and Dunleavy defend at all? They better learn if they're going to play for Calrlisle.

And did my fantasy squad just get destroyed? I have both Barnes and Pietrus.

[bballnoob]

Pretty good trade for both teams. Not sure why it happened though. Was Jackson bringing down the locker room? Diogu's probably the x factor whether Indy wins this trade. GW looks good now.

[saKf]

This is a great trade! I don't know who got the better end of the deal, which probably means neither team got ripped off. Both of them just took some pieces that they didn't want and moved them for some the other team didn't want.
I suppose that the variety of opinions on the trade (even from the posters who are considered "more knowledgeable") is a sign that it's a pretty even trade, at least before the players mesh with their new teams.

[FPower]

at least before the players mesh with their new teams.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this looks like a complete disaster for one team down the road; I just don't know which team that is.

There's so many players involved here, it's harder than normal grasp the salary cap implications. That in itself will require some research. I do know that I didn't like Dunleavy's contract when he signed it, so I feel like Jackson's the better of those two. Murphy's having a bad year, but he's put up stats in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised if he has a little renaissance in Indiana. Harrington, Jackson, and even Jasikavicius are all good players, but it's hard to say how well they'll all fit with the Warriors.

Indiana likely isn't done, either. They need more scoring and guards, so I expect another trade in the near future. Who has extra two guards laying around?

Maybe it's time to start some Pierce rumors?

[gdo]

Ike Diogu is the big part in the trade, i think he sealed who got the better deal.

+2

[saKf]

I think I just realized where Marko Jaric is headed.

[saKf]

saKf = FREAKING GENIUS!!!!

[JalenRawley]

+2

I dunno, I think Harrington kinda evens it out a little bit.

Diogu is still unproven. Harrington is a known commodity, and going by what we've seen this season, Harrington provides way more than Diogu at this point. Sure, Diogu hasn't been getting the playing time and has the potential to surpass Harrington, but the facts still remain: Right now, Harrington is a veteran with serious skills while Diogu is a second-year (or is he third now?) with potentially serious skills.

[FPower]

I think I just realized where Marko Jaric is headed.

I thought that too, but then I decided it doesn't make money sense for Indiana. I just looked up Murphy and Dunleavy's contracts; they're MUCH bigger than Al and Jackson's. Indiana's always *****ing about being a small market, they're not going to want to add a third horrible contract to their team...unless you guys are planning on taking on Dunleavy or Murphy in return.

[DoubleTech]

I think I just realized where Marko Jaric is headed.


indi? that'd be a safe bet... maybe even for foster if you're lucky!

my thoughts on the trade: meh

all these overpaid players moving back and forth... im shocked that Mullin found a taker for those contracts... sadly they had to give up young Ike as well as take on stephen jackson to make it happen.

what is carisle going to do with dunleavy JR? and how long before he regrets taking on that contract of his?

oh well... pacers are no longer a threat to the raptors, guess thats a good thing.

[gdo]

This is a great trade! I don't know who got the better end of the deal, which probably means neither team got ripped off. Both of them just took some pieces that they didn't want and moved them for some the other team didn't want.

Any Golden State fans around here? Can Murphy and Dunleavy defend at all? They better learn if they're going to play for Calrlisle.

And did my fantasy squad just get destroyed? I have both Barnes and Pietrus.

GS fan here. I would say that they are both average if not maybe slightly below average defenders. One thing with Murphy is that he tends to sometimes take long J's. Even though he has a decent stroke for a big, He needs to stay down more and post.

[geeWiz15]

I'm gonna say that Indy does better than GS does but none of the players GS traded really fit on their team so they won't really be missed and don't justify their large salaries. and I guess Bird wants a couple white guys around so he doesn't feel out of place. decent deal for both sides

[Sharas]

i actually think it's quite good for both teams...indiana got players that fit better in halfcourt and warriors got players who fit better in run and gun game. indiana will be force in the east with murphy and jermaine together, and they got rid of stephen jackson, which is addition by subtraction at this point. diogu will be good of the bench, he's quite talented but had no role in nellie's system. all harrington will be terrific in the running game (i expect he'll be fulltime 4?) with his size, speed, rebounding and decent enough shooting. stephen jackson has opportunity for new beggining - he'll be expected to shoot a lot without thinking much about defense - which can be only good for him. about sharas:D jasikevicius: if he gets minutes he'll be good (but with davis, ellis, jackson and richardson they have a logjam). he wasn't great halfcourt pg even in europe.

[saKf]

indi? that'd be a safe bet... maybe even for foster if you're lucky!
That would be freaking awesome.

[hawkfan]

Good trade for Indiana.

Murphy and Dunleavy will do well by having a low post presence to play with.

Harrington is overrated. Jackson is an attitude problem and erratic.

Don't know much about Powell.

Diogu could be a good player for the Pacers. Not sure why the Warriors were willing to give him up this year and not last year for Artest.

For Nelson, this is probably to get rid of Murphy and Dunleavy from the locker room, but bringing in Jackson isn't necessarily a good move.

Harrington's defense isn't that good, but with Golden State he will be the primary low post option.

Sarunas is overrated and a contract throw in.

[SoulMattic]

As another loyal GS fan since the run TMC days, I am more than happy about this trade going down!!!

Dunleavy- has been the biggest dissapointment... he'll make one good play a game and everyone talks about his potential.. well Indy can have it

Murphy- I actually like this guy, just didn't fit into Nelly's offense.. he can average a double-double in Indy if given enough minutes... but his defense limits his playing time

Diogu- this is the hardest one to swallow.. you would think he would have fourished under Nelly but it just didn't work out... this guy has potential and must "shine" for this to be a good trade for Indy

As far as getting Harrington and Jackson.. both these guys are ballers that can score significantly better than any of the warriors traded, defensively they are either better or even.. hopefully this will give the warriors the boost to finally end the playoff drought.. although I won't be holding my breath.....

[final.wrath]

All of a sudden

Baron Davis
Jason Richardson
Monta Ellis
Al Harrington
Biedrins

With a great bench.


how will that team rebound the ball? sure biedrins is good for 10-12 boards a night but monta ellis is too small to play SF and Jason Richardson doesn't rebound very well.

[Force]

BOTH teams will improve from this trade.

[BradMiller52]

Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy's contracts are OD.

Especially Dunleavy...He is certified trash. And Diogu can be something under Carslie...But that's about the only positive to this trade on their front IMO.

Golden State dumped atrocious contracts/salary and got Al Harrington (best player in the trade)..

And S-Jax >>>>> Dunleavy..

G-State gets my vote on this...


I agree 100%. Dunleavy sucks and has a huge contract, Murphy is overpaid too, and the fact that the Warriors got the best player in the trade.

[Qwyjibo]

how will that team rebound the ball? sure biedrins is good for 10-12 boards a night but monta ellis is too small to play SF and Jason Richardson doesn't rebound very well.

I can't see both JRich and Ellis starting when Pietrus is healthy. Pietrus will be at SF and they either look to deal JRich so Ellis can start.

[saKf]

how will that team rebound the ball? sure biedrins is good for 10-12 boards a night but monta ellis is too small to play SF and Jason Richardson doesn't rebound very well.
Not to mention the fact that they'll somehow play even less defense than they did before. Replacing Murphy with Harrington is a defensive downgrade if you ask me.

Golden State improved their only strength while worsening the things at which they are weak. Interesting.

[eauclaire447]

That's a PR move Indiana people don't like Blacks who get in trouble.:no:
you have apparently never been to INDY! i think blacks outnumber white 2/1 there...probably not that much, but there are ALOT of african americans and mexicans there

[DoubleTech]

ohhhhhhhhhhh BOY it looks like Pietrus is going to be looking for a new home this summer. GS will extend the qualifying offer and Pietrus will flat out tell them not to match.

...unless they move pietrus before the summer.

pietrus for mopete and a future 1st rounder? PLEEAAAASE!

[Force]

BTW,
When is Jason Richardardson supposed to come back? I wonder how the rotation is gonna be up being. J Rich is a damn good player.

[Qwyjibo]

Pietrus in a Raptors uniform would be friggin amazing. But doesn't this free up money long-term for GS?

I think they should look to trade JRich and re-sign Ellis and Pietrus.

PG - Davis
SG - Ellis
SF - Pietrus
PF - Harrington
C - Biedrins

That should be their starting lineup and I think it's a good one.

[eauclaire447]

Golden State => pwnage
They have enough options at SG that they don't even have to play Jackson if he turns out to be a cancer, Jasikevicius is a good fit for a running team, Harrington is going to be better than what Murphy was bringing so far this season.

Indiana now has the players to play the way Carlisle wants to: SLOW. Less dumb turnovers, less quality but a more efficient system. Probably a few things about Harrington & the others that we don't know about, bad chemistry etc..
This gives Granger more time & gives them a very deep C-PF rotation (O'Neal, Foster, Baston, Harrison, Murphy, Diogu), I'm guessing they'll make another trade soon to get a guard.
hopefully only baston and harrison..they better not trade foster. but they likely will make another trade that HOPEFULLY involves tinsley!

[All Net]

Not to mention the fact that they'll somehow play even less defense than they did before. Replacing Murphy with Harrington is a defensive downgrade if you ask me.

Golden State improved their only strength while worsening the things at which they are weak. Interesting.

Nellie is their coach, are you surprised they added more offense?

I like this trade for GS, mainly because my boy Sjax gets a chance to play in a loose system and give him a chance to score and shoot in their run and gun style.

They aren't winning any championships but they will be very exciting to watch. even more so now.

[Where's_Reggie??]

That's a PR move Indiana people don't like Blacks who get in trouble.:no:

The only enduring image for Pacer fans of Jackson is the wild haymakers in the Palace. That's why Indy fans don't like him, he's too connected with Artest in our minds.

[2LeTTeRS KD]

I don't understand this deal for Indy. Why trade for another JO who plays worse D and like JO will camp out on the perimeter instead of in the post. Unless they got him as motivation to get JO back playing with the big boys where he belongs than they will sorely miss the post scoring that Big Al gave. They also are seriously lacking in the backcourt unless Marquis starts to deliver on the promise he showed his rookie year as a Pacer. Dunleavy for all his point foward skills doesn't have the quickness to guard 2 guards and has even been dissapointing at times with his stroke. Pretty much all their players are questions marks except Ike who I like but don't know how they'll give him any PT.

For the Warriors I like the deal a little more except the fact that their soft in the middle. Unless Nelly has seen something in O'Bryant and will give him some PT they will get murdered by the teams that have true big men and have no one to really inflict any real damage back. They have great chances to outscore anyone but in a defensive battle they'll lose 99% of the time.

[Ghost_Delay]

hopefully only baston and harrison..they better not trade foster. but they likely will make another trade that HOPEFULLY involves tinsley!

Carlisle has a crush on Foster for playing the game as simple as possible, so I'm guessing no. The problem lies with getting a contract that matches though, so he might be willing to sacrifice Foster. But then who is going to guard Yao/Shaq? They'd end up like Detroit with a busload of PF's..

Tinsley just does not know how to lead a team. He makes a lot of mistakes in speeding up the pace at the wrong time and not finding team mates for easy shots.

[Darius]

Strange to see a trade that provokes alot of disparate reactions as to "who won".

I like it for the Warriors, personally.

They dump two highly paid underachievers and bring back two fairly paid, middling achievers that could do better in an uptempo offense.

Plus they get Sarunus that might do well in that type of offense as well.

They give up Diogu, who could be nice, but Nellie was questioning his BBALL IQ already.

[GoRapz]

Good deal for both sides and benefits both teams. :applause:

[Ghost_Delay]

Strange to see a trade that provokes alot of disparate reactions as to "who won".


Shaq to Miami?
Iverson to Denver?

[Darius]

Shaq to Miami?
Iverson to Denver?

In both those cases it was immediately apparent "who won".

[bonez26]

I wonder what would happen now if Indy turns around and trades Dunleavy Jr to the Clips for Magette (many rumours of this previously)and the deal becomes:

Murphy, Diogu, Magette and Macleod...then Indiana becomes:

Tinsley
Magette
Granger
Murphy
Oneal

pretty nice!

[FPower]

Mullin's kind of funny. He keeps signing guys to horrible contracts (Fisher, Foyle, Dunleavy, Murphy) and then trading them away relatively quickly.

You know there's a shortcut, right Chris?

[saKf]

I just found out John Hollinger agrees with me. There's some Insider article about how Diogu is the player that can make this a clear win for the Pacers.

*considers changing opinion*

Mullin's kind of funny. He keeps signing guys to horrible contracts (Fisher, Foyle, Dunleavy, Murphy) and then trading them away relatively quickly.

You know there's a shortcut, right Chris?
Ha!

[eauclaire447]

I wonder what would happen now if Indy turns around and trades Dunleavy Jr to the Clips for Magette (many rumours of this previously)and the deal becomes:

Murphy, Diogu, Magette and Macleod...then Indiana becomes:

Tinsley
Magette
Granger
Murphy
Oneal

pretty nice!
you read my mind!!!!!!!!!!!

[Where's_Reggie??]

Maybe Larry Legend was reminiscing about the 2000 Finals and how great it was to coach Chris and then Chris got sentimental and decided to help Larry out by taking the biggest problem (Jax) off his hands.

Added bonus--TMurph is an ND guy. Welcome Home Troy!!

[FPower]

I just found out John Hollinger agrees with me.

That's like Lee Corso picking your team to win a big game...uh-oh.

http://blogs.centredaily.com/happy_valley/images/espn3.jpg

[Inspector Rick]

Hmmmm, I dunno about this trade. GS frees themselves of two horrid contracts, gain some offensive, but lose out on rebounding, defense and IKE. Indy gets two nice pieces in return, I think Muprh and Dunleavy will fit in quite nicely, but it kills their cap and I feel they could of found a better deal somewhere down the road. Interesting trade, but I think a Murphy for Al trade straight up (or fillers, whatever to make it happen) would of made more sense for both sides.

[FPower]

The reason I dislike this trade for Indiana is because it's putting them close to salary cap hell. Troy and Dunleavy both need to pick up their games to avoid becoming untradeable; because having large contracts on the book aren't what kills you, it's having untradeable contracts that really screws over a team.

[hawkfan]

The reason I dislike this trade for Indiana is because it's putting them close to salary cap hell. Troy and Dunleavy both need to pick up their games to avoid becoming untradeable; because having large contracts on the book aren't what kills you, it's having untradeable contracts that really screws over a team.

Getting rid of Sarunas and Stephen Jackson was worth this deal. Dunleavy is better than both combined.

Harrington is overpaid badly. Murphy is a better fit, since he can pull his defender away. He can open up the post for O'Neal and make that team better just by that. Harrington is a low post scorer who needs the ball and attention. Wasn't going to get that with O'Neal there.

Diogu is a bonus.

[Qwyjibo]

Harrington is overpaid badly. Murphy is a better fit, since he can pull his defender away.

Why do people keep bringing this up when Harrington can "pull his defender away" just as well as or even better than Murphy. The only difference is Harrington will actually make more of his shots. Harrington has range on his shot and is making 3's at a very good rate this year. He has a better outside shot now than Murphy has ever had.

[A Roc 23]

Hmmmm, I dunno about this trade. GS frees themselves of two horrid contracts, gain some offensive, but lose out on rebounding, defense and IKE. Indy gets two nice pieces in return, I think Muprh and Dunleavy will fit in quite nicely, but it kills their cap and I feel they could of found a better deal somewhere down the road. Interesting trade, but I think a Murphy for Al trade straight up (or fillers, whatever to make it happen) would of made more sense for both sides.

Everyone keeps saying this, but Al Harrington averages just as many boards as Murphy right now. Of course Troy Murphy is hands down the best rebounder in the deal, but he isn't doing anything this season. I believe he is under 5 boards at this point. Who's to say he's suddenly going to pick up his production back to double-doubles every night? I see him more as a 14/8 player if he's lucky.

As for the defensive aspect, I think it's pretty much a wash. Murphy and Dunleavy are below average for their positions. Harrington and Jackson have been good at points in their careers, but they are pretty much on the same level as TM and MD this season. Harrington is much better at guard SFs. I've seen him guarding PFs this season and he is AWFUL at it. At least he will fit in the small lineups Nellie plays. Still, I don't see either team really upgrading in terms of defense other then Indy gets Diogu's decent defense for 20 minutes a game.

At first I thought this was definately a win for GS, but the more I think about it, the more I would hate it if Stephen Jackson was on my team. It's been said to death, but it really is addition by subtraction. Harrington's offense would excite me, but his defense has been pretty awful this season and he isn't rebounding at all anymore. I think he is at like 5 over his last 20 games or something. So I guess it all comes down to chemistry, because I only see a slight talent advantage for GS as well as a slight financial advantage, while I see a big potential advantage for Indy.

Edge: Slighty for Indy right now.

[FPower]

I can definitely see how Murphy could be a much better fit for Indiana under Carlisle and paired with Oneal. But if I'm running a team, I just tend to try to avoid picking up bad contracts, and Larry just picked up two of them. So the question, IMO, is: is Diogu worth taking on overpriced players? Because that was the trade, really. If the contracts had all been even, I bet Indiana would have traded Al and Jack straight up for Dunleavy and Murphy. But since Dunleavy and Murphy have much worse contracts, GS had to throw in Diogu as compensation.

I actually don't mind Murphy's game, but Dunleavy's a guy I love to see on the opposing team.

We'll see what happens. It still looks pretty even to me, I guess, but I think GS gets much better immediate returns.

[Ghost_Delay]

In both those cases it was immediately apparent "who won".

Not long term. Iverson needed to get rid of Iverson so they "won" too. Denver gave up Miller, who was a good fit. It's really not that obvious.

[shafir]

Good trade for both teams, Indy is trying to trade out of mediocrity, and GSW wants to as well.

[FPower]

It's really not that obvious.

Denver won.

[MaxFly]

Al Harington must feel salted right now. :oldlol:

[Ghost_Delay]

Denver won.

What are the criteria to decide who won?

I say that if Denver doesn't at least make it to the West finals, it's not a good trade for them.

Philly wasn't going to get much for Iverson anyway but they got an OK package, filling up their two major holes, cutting salary & getting 2 picks.

[BFRESH44]

Al Harington must feel salted right now. :oldlol:

I doubt it. He REALY wanted to go to Golden State in the off-season...Even fired his agent because he couldn't get a deal done.

[A Roc 23]

I doubt it. He REALY wanted to go to Golden State in the off-season...Even fired his agent because he couldn't get a deal done.

Probably true. I mean small town Indiana probably wasn't his dream destination anyway.

[qwerty]

i would like to crown this as my most popular post of all time. but i am a bit dissapointed in insidehoops changing the title without even asking me.

[Ghost_Delay]

Popeyes have no rights.

[qwerty]

Popeyes have no rights.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/O_RLY.jpg/180px-O_RLY.jpg

[ELECTRO23]

Indiana trades 2 of there more athletic players for Murphy(hasn't been healthy for years) and Dunleavy (only good for occasional three or a nice pass). Ike has potential to play along Oneal and have been surprised he hasnt had more PTat G.S. But to me Indiana threw away the season with this trade and are trying to get younger players more experience and time I.E. Granger. G.S. gets two players that would love to run with Baron and should be off to races now.....

Midwest needs to get on that Lasik surgery advancements :violin: :hammerhead:


Shannon

[jaja]

that jackson was let go because of some stupid brawl two years ago is stupid and will haunt the team. no playoffs for them this year.

[MTing]

Ever since Ike came out ive been expecting big for him. He'll do great now

[Jasper]

that jackson was let go because of some stupid brawl two years ago is stupid and will haunt the team. no playoffs for them this year.
Some teams see the off court crap and think it will appear on court.
(thoughts - player may loose it in crunch time cause he lost his mind.... <- - - peenis dribble)
Any case when Jackson was with the Spurs he was raw , but he was a difference maker... and Spurs let him go to Atlanta cause of his mental stablity . .
But I think he will flourish in Nelly ball ... in fact I would watch the Staters every game if I had the chance , because this team would be hell on wheels and throwdowns .... I'd put them next to the Suns in regards to watchability.
Indy - I hope they crap out .... but I think Troy will work w/O'Neil.
Dudley do Dunleavy will fill the gap.....
(I see a rebuild down the road)

[craigthomasb]

mike dunleavys surely gonna now go to the clippers for maggette, suits both teams IMO

[Messed the Cut]

R U serious???

I cannot believe this went down. Golden State easily got the better of this deal.

Indiana will be in trouble, Murphy and Dunleavy are softer than Harrington and Jackson.

GS fills their shooting guard woes until JRich is back, upgrade at PF (there is no way Murphy is better than Harrington) and pick up a solid backup point guard.

If Ike Diogu is everything he is advertised to be, Indy might be ok, but at best, Diogu goes 15ppg and 8rpg. Even still, I think the Warriors got the best of this deal.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

Denver won.
is that broccoli in your avatar?

[Jailblazers7]

I like this trade for Indiana they are building nice team around JO and with Ike on the team they will be good in the future with him and Danny Granger. I have been dissapointed with Ike so far but it may have just been that i had too great of expectations for him out of college. Murphy was a nice pick up in this trade to play alongside JO and hopefully Dunleavey can pick and up and realize his potential.

[Rameek]

I dont see how Indiana got the better end of the deal when they have no SG now and who backs up Tinsley? Marquis Daniels if he was worth anything he would have gotten more than 15 minutes a game...
Murphy last year compared to Harrington last year is ridiculous... Harrington was an impact player with Atlanta and Murphy was a role player with GS... Dunleavy is a joke...
So contract for contract GS wins because SJ and AH contracts are not nearly as bad for MD and TM...
Face value on the court and contracts GS wins easily...
Now if Indy can acquire more players to fill the empty wholes on roster great... Ike maybe a talent may have potential but only time will tell...
Considering I have Matt Barnes I hope the rotation works out this way somehow

PG Baron Davis
SG JRich/Monta Ellis
SF Matt Barnes Stephen Jackson
PF Al Harrington Mickael Pietrus
C Andris Biedrins

PG Jamaal Tinsley
SG Marquis Daniels
SF Danny Granger
PF Jermaine O'Neal Ike
PF Troy Murphy Foster



http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/news?slug=mb-fallout_011707
&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&league=fantasy/nba

[QUOTE]Fantasy Fallout: Harrington, Murphy Swap
Fantasy Fallout: Harrington, Murphy Swap

By Matt Buser
January 17, 2007




It took less than a month for Pacers coach Rick Carlisle to decide that a small lineup, with Al Harrington starting at center, was not going to work out as hoped. Fast forward six weeks, and now the Pacers have apparently decided that Al Harrington as a Pacer, period, was not going to work out. The Pacers and Warriors agreed on an eight-player trade on Wednesday, with Harrington, Stephen Jackson, Sarunas Jasikevicius, and Josh Powell headed to Golden State in exchange for Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Ike Diogu, and Keith McLeod. Let's take a look at how this major trade affects fantasy values for both teams.


The Pacers should resort back to the small lineup, with Murphy playing the role that Harrington was supposed to. While Harrington is a more refined offensive player, Murphy is much more effective rebounder

[Diesel J]

Getting rid of Sarunas and Stephen Jackson was worth this deal. Dunleavy is better than both combined.



that's bs:oldlol: Steven Jacksonn is way better than Dunleavy.He's a headcase but dude can ball and is very clutch.

[Y2Gezee]

Meh. I could see some of these players traded out however.

[statman32]

Meh. I could see some of these players traded out however.

Great trade for both teams...its not gonna suddenly make them contenders but it should help in there playoff race

I think golden st benefits now but indiana will benefit in the long run with diogu

i think all the players besides dunleavy fit in very well with there new teams

[niko]

the trade is awful for indiana because the clips are not trading maggette for dunleavy (they cant absorb his salary - they need to extend livingston) giving indiana both of these slugs, only 1 able to be on the floor at a time for huge money for 4 more years.

awful.

[dejordan]

Some teams see the off court crap and think it will appear on court.
(thoughts - player may loose it in crunch time cause he lost his mind.... <- - - peenis dribble)
Any case when Jackson was with the Spurs he was raw , but he was a difference maker... and Spurs let him go to Atlanta cause of his mental stablity . .
But I think he will flourish in Nelly ball ... in fact I would watch the Staters every game if I had the chance , because this team would be hell on wheels and throwdowns .... I'd put them next to the Suns in regards to watchability.
Indy - I hope they crap out .... but I think Troy will work w/O'Neil.
Dudley do Dunleavy will fill the gap.....
(I see a rebuild down the road)
the spurs tried to keep jackson. they made him a decent offer that he turned down, and he wound up going to atlanta for less comprable money in the end.

[millerz]

I was unsure of this trade at first when I looked at it. The Pacers main objective last summer was to sign Harrington. I didn't understand why they would trade him now. I am sad to see Harrington go, but glad that the Pacers got rid of Jackson. I dont understand why the Pacers would pick up the salaries of Murphy and Dunleavy. Now, that I look at the trade again, Diogu might pay off in a few years. It seems like the pacers are always building for the future. I say the Warriors win this trade now, but if Diogu becomes the player that he could eventually be, then maybe the Pacers will be the winners in the future.

[bonez26]

the trade is awful for indiana because the clips are not trading maggette for dunleavy (they cant absorb his salary - they need to extend livingston) giving indiana both of these slugs, only 1 able to be on the floor at a time for huge money for 4 more years.

awful.

really then whyis there a huge header on h o o p s h y p e. c o m saying three NBA execs say they are in deep discussions for this to happen. You knew once the first trigger wa pulled the second was coming b/c they have no SG.

[niko]

its not happening, its a pacer fan dream. :bowdown: ill apoligzie to your greatness when it does. but i dont think it does.

[niko]

and btw, READ the article. its a LINE ITEM on some local beat writers article, at the end, and from cleveland, not indiana. its bs, someone repeating the same rumor they heard before.

:D dunleavy AND murphy are yours. enjoy the terrible twosome of underachieving soft white guys. at least the chances of them rioting are very small.

[bonez26]

its not happening, its a pacer fan dream. ill apoligzie to your greatness when it does. but i dont think it does.

we'll see I don't need any apologies..lol! i almost guarentee that this was in place before IND made this trade. They're just ironing out the details. There's no way Bird would make this trade and leave himself with no 2 guard.

[bonez26]

and btw, READ the article. its a LINE ITEM on some local beat writers article, at the end, and from cleveland, not indiana. its bs, someone repeating the same rumor they heard before.

dunleavy AND murphy are yours. enjoy the terrible twosome of underachieving soft white guys. at least the chances of them rioting are very small.

Three NBA execs are the same no matter who it comes from. By the way I'm a Raps fan so I don't get to keep two soft white guys. However IND might have too!

[niko]

Three NBA execs are the same no matter who it comes from. By the way I'm a Raps fan so I don't get to keep two soft white guys. However IND might have too!

theres always talk about everything. there was also talk that the LA guys killed it cause they cant afford him and livingston's extension. this is in a LOCAL paper, which would have more access to the local news, plus its logical.

a cleveland no name beat writers saying THREE (NOT NAMED) NBA EXEC'S talking about an indiana trade rumor thats the same rumor around since forever strikes me as not very credible.

surely im not the only one.

[niko]

Three NBA execs are the same no matter who it comes from. By the way I'm a Raps fan so I don't get to keep two soft white guys. However IND might have too!

sorry, raps fan. you only have one soft white guy, correct? the slug you took from SA?

im a knick fan, we dont have any soft white guys. (thats the one problem we dont have!)

[eauclaire447]

sorry, raps fan. you only have one soft white guy, correct? the slug you took from SA?

im a knick fan, we dont have any soft white guys. (thats the one problem we dont have!)
with isaiah there i am suprised you have any white guys!

[dejordan]

with isaiah there i am suprised you have any white guys!
it's okay. he tries to play david lee as little as possible :D

[bonez26]

sorry, raps fan. you only have one soft white guy, correct? the slug you took from SA?


LOL! yes but he is better than any stiff we've had playing centre since AD the first time who was really not C but PF. He fits the bill...plays a little defence grabs a couple of Rebs Bosh misses and alters a few shots here and there. Also good for the open jumper once in a while. He's average at best but fills our hugest need for the time being a 7 footer in the middle who takes up space and doesn't need the ball on offence to be effective.

[saKf]

Many posters have suspected that this trade will lead to the dealing of Maggette to the Pacers.

Don't be surprised if it's Mobley instead.

[kentatm]

if you just look at this trade and none other that may follow, GS killed Indy up and down. Sure Diogu is a great prospect but MD Jr and Troy Murphy are AWFUL. if they couldn't get their offense together under Nellie they NEVER will.


Those two contracts are just flat out god awful. Yea Jackson is a punk but with JRich all torn up GS needs him bad right now. Harrington is far better than Murphy. most of Murphy's rebounds come from GS chuking so many bad shots, its not like he's a badass rebounder, its just that there were an ass load of chances for him to get them.


Even if Indy gets Mags for MD, it will still take Diogu developing for Indy to come out the winners. Murphy's contract is THAT bad.

[saKf]

Bumped so everyone can see how predictions have matched up with short-term reality.

Pacers 6-3 with the new guys.

Warriors 4-5 with the new guys.

saKf said:

HUGE trade for Indiana, if you ask me.

They give up Black Hole Harrington, and a cancer-type guy in Jackson. They give up a young guy they weren't using that much, and a Euro who disappointed from the moment they signed him.

In return, they get a big who stretches the floor just as well as Harrington did to compliment O'Neal, but Murphy's a much better rebounder. They get a fit-in player like Dunleavy, who I imagine will be better under Carlisle than he was under Nelson.

The icing on the cake? Ike Diogu. AWESOME young post player. What a guy to have as your first big off the bench. O'Neal leaves the game and you don't lose very much down low.

Really good trade for Indiana.

Also, this trade gives a bigger role to Danny Granger. That cannot possibly be a bad thing. Harrington was getting in the way a little, if you ask me.

Financially, no.

But if the team gets better as much as I think this trade improves Indiana, then it's worth it.

If it doesn't work out, you're stuck with Murphy and Dunleavy. But financially speaking that's not a WHOLE lot worse than being stuck with Harrington and Jackson. Financially it's worse, but on the court it's much better (for chemistry's sake).

Becoming a stronger offensive team is just about the last thing Golden State needs.

Again, I'm really surprised on the variety of opinions on this.

[niko]

Other things

i said REPEATEDLY dunleavy trade was a pipe dream. Not happening.

the pacers are still able to get in trouble without jackson. very troubling.

[Diesel J]

I am shocked by how many people saying the Warriors are the clear winner of this trade. I think it's pretty even, but if anything, the Pacers win this deal based on the fact alone that they got Diogu, the most valuable player of all 8 players involved in the trade. Diogu was misused in GS; glad to see he will finally have a real chance to shine..

The Warriors add a lot of offensive firepower with this trade, but did they have trouble scoring in the first place? Nope. Their problem, as is the problem with every team coached by Nellie, is on the defensive end. Golden State will slap 110+ points on you easy, but if they give up 120 every night, that team's going nowhere.

The Pacers, on the other hand, get rid of the headcases in Jackson/Harrington and get more players that may fit into Carlisle's system. They also now have a legit big to complement O'Neal, something the Pacers have needed since they let Brad Miller go. They take in some bad contracts, but hey.. you can't win on all counts. Ike Diogu baby!

So to wrap up, GS adds unnecessary scoring and gets worse defensively, and the Pacers add players that they actually need. Winner of the trade is Indiana IMO


Indy all the fu*king way on this one. Wow.

Very one-sided, IMO. Murph, Ike, and Junior for Harrington (Murph does what he does and more), Jackson (addition by subtraction), and Saras (Euroleague is that way --->).


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26463&page=5



Good trade for Indiana.

Murphy and Dunleavy will do well by having a low post presence to play with.

Harrington is overrated. Jackson is an attitude problem and erratic.

Don't know much about Powell.

Diogu could be a good player for the Pacers. Not sure why the Warriors were willing to give him up this year and not last year for Artest.

For Nelson, this is probably to get rid of Murphy and Dunleavy from the locker room, but bringing in Jackson isn't necessarily a good move.

Harrington's defense isn't that good, but with Golden State he will be the primary low post option.

Sarunas is overrated and a contract throw in.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26463&page=8


Getting rid of Sarunas and Stephen Jackson was worth this deal. Dunleavy is better than both combined.

Harrington is overpaid badly. Murphy is a better fit, since he can pull his defender away. He can open up the post for O'Neal and make that team better just by that. Harrington is a low post scorer who needs the ball and attention. Wasn't going to get that with O'Neal there.

Diogu is a bonus.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26463&page=10

:oldlol:

I told yall then Capt Jack was the truth


that's bs:oldlol: Steven Jacksonn is way better than Dunleavy.He's a headcase but dude can ball and is very clutch.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26463&page=11

I still cant see why so many thought Indi got the better of that deal:oldlol:

[Diesel J]

what happened to this Diogu guy?

[Boris Pen]

Murphs and Dun would be another Luka and Pringles in the today's NBA.