All NBA Defensive Teams

[Grinder]

1st team:
Chris Paul
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Dwight Howard

2nd team:
Rajon Rondo
Kobe Bryant
Luol Deng
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

How does the defensive player of the year not get the first team nod? :wtf:
That's like the league MVP being on the all NBA second team. Glad to see Tony Allen and Ibaka on the list. Andre Iguodala not being on the list is a joke.

[Booz Vivic]

How come Tyson Chandla is not in the first team? I thaught he was DPOY

[chazzy]

KG>Ibaka
Iggy>Deng

[DStebb716]

1st team:
Chris Paul
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Dwight Howard

2nd team:
Rajon Rondo
Kobe Bryant
Luol Deng
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

How does the defensive player of the year not get the first team nod? :wtf:
That's like the league MVP being on the all NBA second team. Glad to see Tony Allen and Ibaka on the list. Andre Iguodala not being on the list is a joke.

Who picks these ****ing things? :facepalm

[tmacattack33]

Chris Paul over rondo, Holliday, Bradley, cj Watson, and like ten other PGs who play better defense?

Wtf?

[MMM]

Ibaka over KG?????
yea Ibaka has better defensive stats but no way does he have the impact that KG does.

[Sarcastic]

How come Tyson Chandla is not in the first team? I thaught he was DPOY

One of the reasons that using awards like these as a barometer of greatness is stupid. People vote for these, and let their biases get in the way all the time.

[Clippersfan86]

Chris Paul over rondo, Holliday, Bradley, cj Watson, and like ten other PGs who play better defense?

Wtf?

Chris Paul played the best man defense of his career quite possibly AND led the league in steals. Only thing I have a problem with like people said is the inconsistency of Chandler winning DPOY yet being 2nd team.

[Harison]

Weird selection.

Rondo > CP3 (in D)
KG > Ibaka
Dwight has a case over Chandler, but whats up with the DPOY then?

[Jolokia]

Rajon Rondo - Leads point guards in opponent PER
Andre Iguodala - If they even consider him as a 2
Lebron James - A gimme
Dwight Howard - Depends if they allow two centers and if not, Josh Smith or Serge Ibaka
Tyson Chandler - DPOY

[DTreats]

LeBron James first team? Hahaha.:lol

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I'm glad they properly recognized Tony Allen.
He was certainly deserving of 1st team.

[DTreats]

Rondo
Allen
Iggy
KG
Chandler

should be the 1st team.

[TimmyDuncan]

1st team:
Chris Paul
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Dwight Howard

2nd team:
Rajon Rondo
Kobe Bryant
Luol Deng
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

How does the defensive player of the year not get the first team nod? :wtf:
That's like the league MVP being on the all NBA second team. Glad to see Tony Allen and Ibaka on the list. Andre Iguodala not being on the list is a joke.

MVP not being all nba first team happened 4 times. 3 times with Bill Russell being MVP and 2nd team

[RRR3]

Link? :facepalm @ Kobe making it yet again. At least he wasn't first team this time:rolleyes:

[GOBB]

Do the people who vote for DPOY also vote for NBA All defense teams?


MVP not being all nba first team happened 4 times. 3 times with Bill Russell being MVP and 2nd team

Who was the instance if Bill counts for 3 of the 4 times?

[tmacattack33]

Well who voted for this and who voted for dpoy? It's the same exact people right? Lol wtf


Or maybe they just voted for this later on and they came to their senses and saw that chandler didnt deserve first team

[arifgokcen]

Kobe made it again.This is bullshit.Over iggy really come on


LeBron James first team? Hahaha.:lol

hahaha to you my friend.He is the most deserving player.He covers so much for heat defensively.

[MMM]

Defensive teams voted by coaches
DPOY=media

[TimmyDuncan]

Do the people who vote for DPOY also vote for NBA All defense teams?



Who was the instance if Bill counts for 3 of the 4 times?

Dave Cowens as MVP but Kareem over him for the 1st team in 1973

[NugzHeat3]

Do the people who vote for DPOY also vote for NBA All defense teams?



Who was the instance if Bill counts for 3 of the 4 times?
DPOY = Media (sportswriters)
All Defense = Coaches

This has happened before too.

In 1995, Mutombo won the DPoY but it was Robinson who finished on the first team.

[tmacattack33]

Defensive teams voted by coaches
DPOY=media

Oh. Well then there you go

[DStebb716]

@DStebb716: This is 3rd time since the award's inception in 82-83 that the NBA Defensive Player of the Year was not named to the First Team All-Defense.

https://twitter.com/dstebb716/status/205358085349441536

@DStebb716: Alvin Robertson in 85-86 & Dikembe Mutumbo in 94-95 were the other Defensive Players of the Year that weren't named First Team All-Defense.

https://twitter.com/dstebb716/status/205358730320166913

[Punpun]

Kobe didn't make the FIRST TEAM ? CONSPIRACY. CONSPIRACY. They wanted to preserve MJ. That's why.

[HEAT111]

LeBron was robbed...:facepalm

[TimmyDuncan]

DPOY voters are sportswriters

All nba defensive team voters are the 30 NBA coachs

[Clippersfan86]

DPOY = Media (sportswriters)
All Defense = Coaches

This has happened before too.

In 1995, Mutombo won the DPoY but it was Robinson who finished on the first team.

Makes perfect sense as to why these All NBA teams are usually more accurate and far less controversial than the main awards. I think Hollingers hype/article near season end about Chandler's defense really boosted him. I don't think Chandler was deserving of the award at all, though he's top 5.

[Reverend Hoops]

No Josh Smith? :oldlol:

[rmt]

Makes perfect sense as to why these All NBA teams are usually more accurate and far less controversial than the main awards. I think Hollingers hype/article near season end about Chandler's defense really boosted him. I don't think Chandler was deserving of the award at all, though he's top 5.

DPOY was a reward for Chandler's performance during the championship run last year.

[ThaRegul8r]

1st team:
Chris Paul
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Dwight Howard

2nd team:
Rajon Rondo
Kobe Bryant
Luol Deng
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

How does the defensive player of the year not get the first team nod? :wtf:


This isn't the first time this has happened.

[BigTicket]

Heh, Kobe barely manages to sneak in one final all-defense selection with 17 points.

Andre Igoudala actually got more than that (19) and didn't make it, but he counts as a forward so he cannot take Kobe's spot. Iman Shumpert with 13 points was the one closest to eliminating Kobe.

Anyway, personally I would have put Rondo and Garnett on the 1st team over Ibaka and Paul.

[RaininTwos]

No Josh Smith? :oldlol:
Dude got ripped off in an elimination game by the refs, gets snubbed from the all star game AND the All-NBA defensive team? :facepalm

[blablabla]

kg>ibaka
chandler>howard
josh smith>ibaka

[Salazaar]

SMH this list is a joke... Chandler on 2nd team, Kobe made the all-defense? :wtf: GTFO with this crap :coleman:

[chazzy]

Boozer got a vote

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

SMH this list is a joke... Chandler on 2nd team, Kobe made the all-defense? :wtf: GTFO with this crap :coleman:
James Harden would like to speak with you.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

SMH this list is a joke... Chandler on 2nd team, Kobe made the all-defense? :wtf: GTFO with this crap :coleman:
Aaron Afflalo would like to speak with you.

[Clippersfan86]

DPOY was a reward for Chandler's performance during the championship run last year.

Seems like it.

[pauk]

1st team:
Dwyane Wade
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Tyson Chandler

[Salazaar]

Aaron Afflalo would like to speak with you.

Why? :lol:

[StateOfMind12]

If Iggy was considered a guard, he would have made the team over Kobe since he had more votes than him. Iggy had 19 votes while Kobe had 17 votes.

The selections overall weren't all that bad though.

As many have already stated, I don't understand how Howard made it over Chandler when Chandler was the DPOY.

Also, I think Shumpert or even Westbrook should have made the team over Kobe at the guard spot though.

Those are my only complaints. If Iggy is considered a forward which he is then he shouldn't have made the team over any of the forwards that were selected (Lebron, Ibaka, Garnett, Deng).

[pauk]

Funny how it works...

Lebron got the most votes... but didnt get the DPOY

Chandler got the most DPOY votes... but didnt get 1st team all-nba (even CP3 got as many votes as him)

:lol

Its like those voters changed their mind, they knew Lebron or at least Ibaka/Dwight should have won DPOY and that they overrated Chandler

[Punpun]

1st team:
Dwyane Wade
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Tyson Chandler

>No PG

Pauk, you have to follow the rules. :oldlol:

[chazzy]

Funny how it works...

Lebron got the most votes... but didnt get the DPOY

Chandler got the most DPOY votes... but didnt get 1st team all-nba (even CP3 got as many votes as him)

:lol

Its like those votes changed their mind, they knew Lebron should have won DPOY
Writers vote for DPOY, coaches vote for defensive teams

[Punpun]

F
Its like those voters changed their mind, they knew Lebron should have won DPOY
Not the same voters. Ergo, you're a joke. :lol

[All Net]

How the hell can chandler be 2nd team when he won the award?

[pauk]

Writers vote for DPOY, coaches vote for defensive teams

Then **** the writers... coaches ftw

[pauk]

>No PG

Pauk, you have to follow the rules. :oldlol:

They are not listed/ranked by specific position but simply as Guards, Forwards and Center... which means 2 shooting guards and 2 power forwards can be on 1st team...

[pauk]

Seriously tho, good job coaches... they know what they are talking about, unlike those writers that voted for DPOY... where even Russell Westbrook recieved 1 vote...

[Doctor Rivers]

Seriously tho, good job coaches... they know what they are talking about, unlike those writers that voted for DPOY... where even Russell Westbrook recieved 1 vote...

coaches have been the ones voting in kobe all this time

[Punpun]

That's just how good Kobe's D was.

[gengiskhan]

Kobe didn't make the FIRST TEAM ? CONSPIRACY. CONSPIRACY. They wanted to preserve MJ. That's why.

legit speaking

Kobe should NOT be there first past 2 yrs easily.

Its Wade's stolen all-D "first" team spots given to Kobe just cuz of favoritism.

[boozehound]

1st team:
Chris Paul
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Dwight Howard

2nd team:
Rajon Rondo
Kobe Bryant
Luol Deng
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

How does the defensive player of the year not get the first team nod? :wtf:
That's like the league MVP being on the all NBA second team. Glad to see Tony Allen and Ibaka on the list. Andre Iguodala not being on the list is a joke.
because one is a media vote (DPOY) and one is a coaches vote. I wonder how close it was?

[The_Yearning]

MVP not being all nba first team happened 4 times. 3 times with Bill Russell being MVP and 2nd team

Now we know how overrated Bill Russel was.

[Zackmorris]

Ibaka on first team? :roll: :roll: :roll:

KG should've taken his spot

[KG215]

How the hell can chandler be 2nd team when he won the award?

It was covered at least five times in the first three pages of the thread.


because one is a media vote (DPOY) and one is a coaches vote. I wonder how close it was?

I think you're like the 10th person to point this out.

Do people just not read the thread, or what?

[lbj23clutch]

How the hell did Boozer or Rose get a vote? Taj Gibson's defense shits on Boozer's defense.

[RRR3]

Further proof that NBA All-Defensive teams are the biggest joke of any award in all sports:applause:

[Grinder]

I know one's a media vote and one's by the coaches...I'd just like to see consistency among the awards and have the same group vote for all of them.

[RRR3]

I know one's a media vote and one's by the coaches...I'd just like to see consistency among the awards and have the same group vote for all of them.
I'd like to see one year Kobe Bryant doesn't make it. He's going to end up with the most All-D teams in history:facepalm Future generations are going to think he's the GOAT defender:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: When's the last time he even deserved it?

[Punpun]

This year ? Afterall he is the only to have completely shut down two of the most lethal scorer in the NBA. (Wade&Westbrook)

[Shepseskaf]

The coaches didn't do a good job with this list, and they should hear about it. CP3 over any number of guards already mentioned? Not good.

Is nothing pure and rational anymore?

[DMAVS41]

Another year and another reason why this honor has become a joke.

One player sticks out on that list like a sore thumb.....LOL

[(e)]

Glad to see Deng make it.

Tyson got screwed badly that he isn't on first team.

[bsyde82]

Another year and another reason why this honor has become a joke.

One player sticks out on that list like a sore thumb.....LOL

Obviously everyone knows who you're referring to. Took you long enough to make this comment...

Anyways, do you or anyone here know what the real criteria is? Like, to make the team, are coaches looking at year long consistent defensive performance? Or that you defended best when it counted? Seems silly to not go with the former, but the latter also makes sense to me? And if the latter has more weight, perhaps that makes Kobe's selection less illogical. :confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

Another year and another reason why this honor has become a joke.

One player sticks out on that list like a sore thumb.....LOL
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110817043545/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/d/d1/Oh-he-mad.jpg

[Smoke117]

1st team:
Chris Paul
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Dwight Howard

2nd team:
Rajon Rondo
Kobe Bryant
Luol Deng
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

How does the defensive player of the year not get the first team nod? :wtf:
That's like the league MVP being on the all NBA second team. Glad to see Tony Allen and Ibaka on the list. Andre Iguodala not being on the list is a joke.

The coaches aren't the media. They have still have a bit of sense remaining in them. Not much though. Ibaka nor James have any business being first team over Kevin Garnett. That is just pathetic.

[Cali Syndicate]

I don't understand this system. I get 2 guards, 2 forwards, 1 center. Who is the one who decides which player plays which position?

Last season, both Noah and Chandler made the second team. I though Noah was a center?

Year before, Varejao makes the second team along with Duncan. Both are centers right? At least I thought Verejao was but then the year before that Duncan makes it as the center.

Then year before that, Bowen makes it as a guard. I thought he was a forward and Duncan is a forward too that year.

06, Billups is the only guard.

This also applies to the allstar and all NBA voting as well. Amare is a center for NBA selection but a forward for the Allstar game?

I mean, for me the system seems flawed. At the end of the day, they seem to put in who they want to put in.

[Tenchi Ryu]

As long as Deng got in, I'm good. Although I would have loved to see Gibson in there in the 3rd team.

[ClutchOver9000]

#1. although its happened b4 its still odd that Chandler is 2nd team despite winning the DPOY

#2. How does Kobe keep getting selected to these things...lol. Dude is running strictly on rep by now

#3. Ibaka's a shotblocking savant but KG deserved the nod over him for his overall play and anchoring of the Celtics defense

[PTB Fan]

I don't like most of the picks..

[Whoah10115]

1st team:
Chris Paul
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Serge Ibaka
Dwight Howard

2nd team:
Rajon Rondo
Kobe Bryant
Luol Deng
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

How does the defensive player of the year not get the first team nod? :wtf:
That's like the league MVP being on the all NBA second team. Glad to see Tony Allen and Ibaka on the list. Andre Iguodala not being on the list is a joke.



I'm never watching basketball again.

[Whoah10115]

Chris Paul played the best man defense of his career quite possibly AND led the league in steals. Only thing I have a problem with like people said is the inconsistency of Chandler winning DPOY yet being 2nd team.




Paul's best defense was played earlier in the year. He went up and down over the course of the season. There's no excuse for Iguodala, a listed G/F, not to make 1st Team.



Josh Smith behind Ibaka? Hell, let's have KG, Deng, Marion, and Iguodala behind him too.




Embarrassing list...Kobe makes the 2nd Team? Lebron and Allen are the only two they got right. Well, they got Howard and Chandler right, tho it's funny and somewhat predictable that it worked out this way (I almost mentioned it in a post the other day).

[Whoah10115]

>No PG

Pauk, you have to follow the rules. :oldlol:


2 Guards and 2 Forwards. Not PG, SG, SF, PF.




I don't understand this system. I get 2 guards, 2 forwards, 1 center. Who is the one who decides which player plays which position?

Last season, both Noah and Chandler made the second team. I though Noah was a center?

Year before, Varejao makes the second team along with Duncan. Both are centers right? At least I thought Verejao was but then the year before that Duncan makes it as the center.

Then year before that, Bowen makes it as a guard. I thought he was a forward and Duncan is a forward too that year.

06, Billups is the only guard.

This also applies to the allstar and all NBA voting as well. Amare is a center for NBA selection but a forward for the Allstar game?

I mean, for me the system seems flawed. At the end of the day, they seem to put in who they want to put in.



Noah was still listed as a C/F last year. He had more points than any other forward. Same for Varejao. Even on the All-NBA Teams. In 2002, Dirk made the 2nd Team as a C and Ben Wallace made the 3rd Team as a F. In 2003, Jermain O'Neal made the 3rd Team as a C and Paul Pierce made it as a F, despite making it the year before as a G (when he played half of the time as a F) and despite the fact that all of 2002/03 he played G.



But you're right, it's bullshit. You wanna know why?


http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_iguodala/



So how is he not on the team?

[Anaximandro1]

2nd team:

Tyson Chandler

:wtf:

[Bladers]

Another year and another reason why this honor has become a joke.

One player sticks out on that list like a sore thumb.....LOL

Which is why he shut down your boy.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254733

[chips93]

celtic fans, is rondo a better defender than bradley, i dont watch a ton of celtic games, but anytime i watch, avery looks like the better defender

[Whoah10115]

celtic fans, is rondo a better defender than bradley, i dont watch a ton of celtic games, but anytime i watch, avery looks like the better defender




He hasn't established himself as being better, but he looks like he might be. We'll definitely start to find out, next season.

[rodman91]

Kobe in all defensive team?

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/3220068_o.gif

[chips93]

He hasn't established himself as being better, but he looks like he might be. We'll definitely start to find out, next season.

but over this season, who do you think was the better defender, regardless of previous seasons and reputations

[chips93]

my teams would have been

Avery Bradley
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

Chris Paul
Rajon Rondo
Luol Deng
Andre Igoudala
Serge Ibaka

[chazzy]

Why are people sooo shocked about Kobe? He made the 1st team last year and played better d this season. He barely made it over Shumpert too

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Players who aren't the stars don't get the nod. Bradley tends to match up with the better guard on defence rather than Rondo, implying he's the better defender (eg vs the Hawks, Bradley played Teague when Hinrich was on the court at the same time).

Lot of love for the coaches who think Kobe is a better defender than Bradley, Shumpert. Mental.

[GOBB]

Dave Cowens as MVP but Kareem over him for the 1st team in 1973


DPOY = Media (sportswriters)
All Defense = Coaches

This has happened before too.

In 1995, Mutombo won the DPoY but it was Robinson who finished on the first team.

Thanks fellas :cheers:

[GOBB]

my teams would have been

Avery Bradley
Tony Allen
Lebron James
Kevin Garnett
Tyson Chandler

Chris Paul
Rajon Rondo
Luol Deng
Andre Igoudala
Serge Ibaka

Avery first team? Come on. :no:

[Whoah10115]

but over this season, who do you think was the better defender, regardless of previous seasons and reputations



At his best, Bradley. Outside of the first game, Rondo didn't look like himself this season, on defense.



But Bradley didn't really play enough. Then again, Rondo missed a lot of time lol. I would take Bradley this season.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Avery first team? Come on. :no:

You've watched him with an injured shoulder all series and he's still been as good as Iggy defensively.

[DonDadda59]

I'm shocked Kobe wasn't put on the first team by default as he has been for like 6 years before this, good to see Tony Allen getting the respect he deserves. Few things- Odd that Chandler isn't on the 1st team, KG>Ibaka overall, Rondo>Paul, otherwise not a terrible list.

EDIT- Shumpert should've gotten consideration over Kobe on that 2nd team.

[inclinerator]

so coaches agree that lebron is the best defensive player this year :rockon:

[The-Legend-24]

LOL @ Lebron being on the list.

[inclinerator]

LOL @ Lebron being on the list.
:facepalm

[chips93]

Avery first team? Come on. :no:

like i said, havent seen a ton of celtic games, but when ive seen him, hes been the best on-ball defender for point guards, that ive seen this year

dude really gets after it, full-court all game

how many other guys are going 100% all game like bradley is? wade, paul, rondo at their best might be better, but too many guys coast on defense, and i rarely saw bradley not going all out

[chips93]

Shumpert should've gotten consideration over Kobe on that 2nd team.

shump is great on the ball, but he made a lot of dumb rookie mistakes, off the ball, usually

[DuMa]

they always manage to get half the team right like every year. the other half is a :facepalm

[G-train]

This is a joke every season.
Obviously the coaches think Howard is a better defender and the media thinks Chandler is, fair enough IMO.
Bryant shouldn't have touched this team for 5 years.
Iguodala should be first team, TA second.

As for those who say Bradley, fair enough but he probably needs to average another 5 mpg to be considered and follow this shortened season with another good one.

[magnax1]

How the hell does Chris Paul keep making these teams? He's never been a fantastic defender.

[lbj23clutch]

How the hell does Chris Paul keep making these teams? He's never been a fantastic defender.
Exactly. He gets a ton of steals, but he gambles too much and his man defense is pretty average.

[Lebron23]

How the hell does Chris Paul keep making these teams? He's never been a fantastic defender.


Reputations. CP3 is one of the league leaders in Steals Per Game.

[Lebron23]

LeBron James first team? Hahaha.:lol


You suck.

[d.bball.guy]

:lol

[ballerz]

Chris Paul is only there because of his steals. As an overall defender he is pretty average

[CelticBaller]

Rondo's been playing terrible d compared to his standards the whole year, CP3 deserved to be 1st team

[D-Wade316]

No Josh Smith? :oldlol:
Exactly.

What a fukked up list. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[D-Wade316]

I'd like to see one year Kobe Bryant doesn't make it. He's going to end up with the most All-D teams in history:facepalm Future generations are going to think he's the GOAT defender:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: When's the last time he even deserved it?
2003.

[Doctor K]

Wade should've been over Kobe 2nd team

[Doctor K]

I'd like to see one year Kobe Bryant doesn't make it. He's going to end up with the most All-D teams in history:facepalm Future generations are going to think he's the GOAT defender:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: When's the last time he even deserved it?
Well he don't have a DPOY. I think the DPOY is whats gonna seperate Kobe and players like Jordan and Payton on defense.

[Smoke117]

Well he don't have a DPOY. I think the DPOY is whats gonna seperate Kobe and players like Jordan and Payton on defense.

Who cares about that. Scottie Pippen doesn't have a DPOY and he's better than both Jordan and Payton. People are actually going to think this clown Kobe is actually a better defensive player than Pippen and that is going to be laughable.

[Doctor K]

Who cares about that. Scottie Pippen doesn't have a DPOY and he's better than both Jordan and Payton. People are actually going to think this clown Kobe is actually a better defensive player than Pippen and that is going to be laughable.
:no:
Well at least Pippen was close to winning dpoy, kobe ain't never come close

[Kblaze8855]

Im surprised people are still wondering about these teams not being consistent. Its not always even 5 players.

It was 6 at least once. Maybe twice. I think Kidd, Kobe, and someone else were all on the first team as guards with 2 forwards and a center.

[StroShow4]

Rondo and Kobe shouldn't be there. Other than that I'm okay with it.

[Doctor K]

Im surprised people are still wondering about these teams not being consistent. Its not always even 5 players.

It was 6 at least once. Maybe twice. I think Kidd, Kobe, and someone else were all on the first team as guards with 2 forwards and a center.
yeah that was cuz of a tie in points. its not like they just put 6 up there because they wanted to lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe got robbed of 1st team. What a joke.

[BallsOut]

So Kobe doesn't make the first team, but Lebron does? :biggums:

[Whoah10115]

People are really exaggerating when they say Kobe hasn't deserved it since 2003 or whatever. He was deserving of 1st Team in 2009. And was a deserving 2nd Team member in 2010.

[Heavincent]

Wade should've been over Kobe 2nd team

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Sefolosha deserved it, but definitely not Dwyane Wade.

http://i.minus.com/im7wcIel4GOoO.gif

http://i.minus.com/iBmpfCNORAZDf.gif

http://i.minus.com/ibsR6hnzlxbooT.gif

http://i.minus.com/iVnsZXa5tYVZf.gif

http://i.minus.com/i83XfBpqnbfkG.gif

http://i.minus.com/ibszLkiFtJ2T22.gif

Wade, on the other hand, was waving the white flag after Kobe dropped like 17 points on his ass in the first quarter :oldlol:

[Snoop_Cat]

The thing that annoys me the most is that people are going to get the impression that Kobe was some godly defender. Let's be real, the casual fan 10, 20 years from now is going to see all of Kobe's All-Defense honor and use that as justification as one of the best perimeter defenders ever........

What it should've been:

1st:
G - Rondo
G - Iguodala
F - James
F - Garnett
C - Howard

2nd:
G - Shumpert/Bradley/Wade, whatever
G - Allen
F - Deng
F - Smith
C - Chandler

I'm a Knicks fan and I still think James or Howard should've been DPOY. Iggy plays both wing spots, and considering that they're flexible about it, why not. Ibaka's shotblocking is the most overrated thing.

For me, Allen doesn't play enough minutes to justify putting him 1st team, it's easier to continue to be aggressive when you play 10 minutes less a game. But I wouldn't really care between Rondo, Allen, and Iguodala on first team... it's just Bryant and Ibaka making it over others that's a travesty.

[RRR3]

So Kobe doesn't make the first team, but Lebron does? :biggums:
LeBron is eight times the defender Kobe is, if not more.:coleman:

[T-Time3]

stern trolling hard on tyson chandler

[Yao Ming's Foot]

The thing that annoys me the most is that people are going to get the impression that Kobe was some godly defender. Let's be real, the casual fan 10, 20 years from now is going to see all of Kobe's All-Defense honor and use that as justification as one of the best perimeter defenders ever........

What it should've been:

1st:
G - Rondo
G - Iguodala
F - James
F - Garnett
C - Howard

2nd:
G - Shumpert/Bradley/Wade, whatever
G - Allen
F - Deng
F - Smith
C - Chandler

I'm a Knicks fan and I still think James or Howard should've been DPOY. Iggy plays both wing spots, and considering that they're flexible about it, why not. Ibaka's shotblocking is the most overrated thing.

For me, Allen doesn't play enough minutes to justify putting him 1st team, it's easier to continue to be aggressive when you play 10 minutes less a game. But I wouldn't really care between Rondo, Allen, and Iguodala on first team... it's just Bryant and Ibaka making it over others that's a travesty.

Its pretty funny to hear people consistently whine about Kobe and yet when it comes time to replace him they either choose a SF like Iguodala who actually received more votes but doesn't compete with Kobe since he is a forward or some part time players like Wade, Thabo. Bradley and Shumpert. If Kobe is such a bad choice how hard is it to actually name another guard who actually played similar minutes for the season that played better defense than him?

[Whoah10115]

The thing that annoys me the most is that people are going to get the impression that Kobe was some godly defender. Let's be real, the casual fan 10, 20 years from now is going to see all of Kobe's All-Defense honor and use that as justification as one of the best perimeter defenders ever........

What it should've been:

1st:
G - Rondo
G - Iguodala
F - James
F - Garnett
C - Howard

2nd:
G - Shumpert/Bradley/Wade, whatever
G - Allen
F - Deng
F - Smith
C - Chandler





You almost got it right, except there is 0 justification for Rondo over Allen. Allen plays 26.3MPG. It's not a lot, and it's that big a deal either. 26.3 is enough to not cut off inclusion.



More importantly, Rondo has no business on the 1st team, if even the 2nd. Besides missing 14 games, Rondo played his worst defense of the big 3 era. He plays way off his man, doesn't rotate back, and didn't play nearly as hard as we're used to seeing, or nearly as hard as he should have.



Wade missed 17 games. But he was a much better defender. He sagged off his man some, but he was terrific. Mike Conley, who seemed to get no love (I forget his vote total), Ricky Rubio (same). Rubio missed a lot of time, but he was better than Rondo.

[Figlo]

How does Kobe make it LMFAO, nba is a disgrace...

[Snoop_Cat]

Its pretty funny to hear people consistently whine about Kobe and yet when it comes time to replace him they either choose a SF like Iguodala who actually received more votes but doesn't compete with Kobe since he is a forward or some part time players like Wade, Thabo. Bradley and Shumpert. If Kobe is such a bad choice how hard is it to actually name another guard who actually played similar minutes for the season that played better defense than him?

I put Iguodala as a SG because 1) he plays minutes at SG and guards lots of SGs and 2) out of the pure merit that he deserves a spot on the first team over a lot of people.

Considering Kobe's lackadaisical defense for large stretches of games apart from close 4th quarters, can you really justify the fact that he plays lots of minutes into the argument. Shumpert averaged about 30 a game and that's considering he barely got minutes at the beginning, and you can't argue Bryant's a better defender than him if you watch them.

Wade is a part time player? He goes all out for longer stretches at higher intensities than Bryant while playing similar minutes, though he did miss about 10 less than Kobe.

I can name a ton of guards who are not given their due that should be ahead of Kobe. Holiday, George, Conley, Afflalo, Brewer, I can go on and on.

[LamarOdom]

How does Kobe make it LMFAO, nba is a disgrace...

Coaches pick, they have seen him from 20 ft away I think their knowledge >> yours& medias.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I put Iguodala as a SG because 1) he plays minutes at SG and guards lots of SGs and 2) out of the pure merit that he deserves a spot on the first team over a lot of people.

Considering Kobe's lackadaisical defense for large stretches of games apart from close 4th quarters, can you really justify the fact that he plays lots of minutes into the argument. Shumpert averaged about 30 a game and that's considering he barely got minutes at the beginning, and you can't argue Bryant's a better defender than him if you watch them.

Wade is a part time player? He goes all out for longer stretches at higher intensities than Bryant while playing similar minutes, though he did miss about 10 less than Kobe.

I can name a ton of guards who are not given their due that should be ahead of Kobe. Holiday, George, Conley, Afflalo, Brewer, I can go on and on.

AI had 19 "points" to Kobe's 17. He is simply not on the team because he is considered a forward and not a guard. You can't just choose to make him a guard because it makes it easier to keep Kobe from collecting another all defensive team recognition.

Kobe 2232
Conley 2174
Holiday 2196
Afflalo 2086
George 1958
Shumpert 1705
Brewer 1635
Wade 1625
Bradley 1368
Thabo 914

I would consider Shumpert down a part time for either not playing significant minutes every game or missing even more time with injury than Kobe. I would suspect had Kobe finished out the season without missing those last few games he would have finished ahead of another part time player in Tony Allen as well.

Historically there is voting bias for superstar players who play all season and get full time starter minutes. This isn't a Kobe thing. This is a NBA History thing. Your best hope would be for Wade and Gordon to play all season and Harden or George to try harder.

Can you actually point me to some games where any of the guys actually shut somebody down?

[Whoah10115]

AI had 19 "points" to Kobe's 17. He is simply not on the team because he is considered a forward and not a guard. You can't just choose to make him a guard because it makes it easier to keep Kobe from collecting another all defensive team recognition.

Kobe 2232
Conley 2174
Holiday 2196
Afflalo 2086
George 1958
Shumpert 1705
Brewer 1635
Wade 1625
Bradley 1368
Thabo 914

I would consider Shumpert down a part time for either not playing significant minutes every game or missing even more time with injury than Kobe. I would suspect had Kobe finished out the season without missing those last few games he would have finished ahead of another part time player in Tony Allen as well.

Historically there is voting bias for superstar players who play all season and get full time starter minutes. This isn't a Kobe thing. This is a NBA History thing. Your best hope would be for Wade and Gordon to play all season and Harden or George to try harder.

Can you actually point me to some games where any of the guys actually shut somebody down?






Iguodala is listed as a Forward/Guard.




So that you don't get it twisted, it's not a matter of convenience to put Iguodala ahead of Kobe. It was a matter of convenience to put Kobe over Iguodala. Look back to 2002. Dirk played center about 4 times in his life. And he played nothing but PF. And he made the 2nd Team as a C. Tracy McGrady, despite being the starting 2guard and only catching minutes at SF, made the 1st Team as a F. Ben Wallace, who didn't play PF EVER in Detroit, made the 3rd Team as a F.



The next year, Dirk went to F, Ben went to C, McGrady went to G, and Jermaine O'Neal, between making it as a F in 2002 and making it as a F in 2004, made the 3rd Team as a C. Nothing changed. Just the vote totals and the year.


And Paul Pierce, who played half the previous year as a F but still made the team as a G, in 2003 made it as a F...despite the fact that he played guard almost exclusively in 2002/03.



Bruce Bowen would go from G to F, year to year, depending on how other guys placed. Duncan made the All-Defensive Team in 09 and 10, as a C (which is where he was playing), despite making the All-NBA Team both times as a F.




Kobe made it ahead of Iguodala because he's Kobe. And no other reason.

[G-train]

Wade shouldn't touch either team this season.
And honestly Lebron barely made a rotation in the first 40 games, but he is very good man to man.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Iguodala is listed as a Forward/Guard.




So that you don't get it twisted, it's not a matter of convenience to put Iguodala ahead of Kobe. It was a matter of convenience to put Kobe over Iguodala. Look back to 2002. Dirk played center about 4 times in his life. And he played nothing but PF. And he made the 2nd Team as a C. Tracy McGrady, despite being the starting 2guard and only catching minutes at SF, made the 1st Team as a F. Ben Wallace, who didn't play PF EVER in Detroit, made the 3rd Team as a F.



The next year, Dirk went to F, Ben went to C, McGrady went to G, and Jermaine O'Neal, between making it as a F in 2002 and making it as a F in 2004, made the 3rd Team as a C. Nothing changed. Just the vote totals and the year.


And Paul Pierce, who played half the previous year as a F but still made the team as a G, in 2003 made it as a F...despite the fact that he played guard almost exclusively in 2002/03.



Bruce Bowen would go from G to F, year to year, depending on how other guys placed. Duncan made the All-Defensive Team in 09 and 10, as a C (which is where he was playing), despite making the All-NBA Team both times as a F.




Kobe made it ahead of Iguodala because he's Kobe. And no other reason.

Im saying on whatever ballot was created this year he was listed as a forward.

He had more voting points than Kobe. If he was eligible to be slotted as a guard he would have been on the second team as a guard.

Do you have any evidence that AI's position or any of those other players you mentioned position were changed after voting had already been completed?

If you want to believe that AI was slotted as a forward as part of a conspiracy theory to help ensure Kobe became the most highly decorated defensive shooting guard in history then you are welcome to do so.

:confusedshrug:

[Whoah10115]

Im saying on whatever ballot was created this year he was listed as a forward.

He had more voting points than Kobe. If he was eligible to be slotted as a guard he would have been on the second team as a guard.

Do you have any evidence that AI's position or any of those other players you mentioned position were changed after voting had already been completed?

If you want to believe that AI was slotted as a forward as part of a conspiracy theory to help ensure Kobe became the most highly decorated defensive shooting guard in history then you are welcome to do so.

:confusedshrug:




I think you're thinking about it too much. He is listed as a G/F. It isn't just today. He's been listed there all year. The last time someone made a thread, asking for All-Defensive Team predictions, I predicted he'd make the First Team as a G, after checking on NBA.com that he was still listed as a F/G. That's how he's listed. It's how he's always been listed. Basketball-Reference even has him as a G/F.



You can go back over the selections I actually mentioned, and check to see it's worked that way. Check to see Bowen. Check to see Duncan, only two seasons ago, make the All-NBA 3rd Team as a F and the All-Defensive 2nd Team as a C.


And then you can check back to last year and see that Joakim Noah made it as a F/C. This year, he's no longer listed a F/C. He's listed as just a C. But Iguodala remains the same.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I think you're thinking about it too much. He is listed as a G/F. It isn't just today. He's been listed there all year. The last time someone made a thread, asking for All-Defensive Team predictions, I predicted he'd make the First Team as a G, after checking on NBA.com that he was still listed as a F/G. That's how he's listed. It's how he's always been listed. Basketball-Reference even has him as a G/F.



You can go back over the selections I actually mentioned, and check to see it's worked that way. Check to see Bowen. Check to see Duncan, only two seasons ago, make the All-NBA 3rd Team as a F and the All-Defensive 2nd Team as a C.


And then you can check back to last year and see that Joakim Noah made it as a F/C. This year, he's no longer listed a F/C. He's listed as just a C. But Iguodala remains the same.

You can't be listed as a C/F or G/F on a NBA all defensive team ballot.

Its obvious based on the fact that he had more pts than Kobe yet didnt make the team as a guard that he was considered a forward and only a forward.

What's listed on NBA.com or basketball reference.com doesnt mean that is what is listed on NBA all defensive team ballots.

Its perfectly reasonable for Duncan to be considered a C one year and PF another year as long as that determination was made prior to voting and not after the votes were tallied up. Same with all of those other players. I have never read anything to suggest otherwise.