What would it take for Deron to be a Laker?

[konex]

Can NJ do a sign and trade with him? :hammerhead:

[DTreats]

Yes, they can.

That's the only way actually, or unless he accepts a 3 years, 10 million dollar contract.

[White Mamba]

a phone call from jerry buss.

[scm5]

Pau and Sessions?

Think that would be enough?

[WeGetRing2012]

Derrick Williams and the 18th pick. 3 team trade. Sign & trade.

[skaterbasist]

a phone call from jerry buss.

Jim Buss now runs the team. :banghead:

[Whoah10115]

Derrick Williams and the 18th pick. 3 team trade. Sign & trade.




LOL, you actually believe this.

[BlackVVaves]

It would require the Nets to first get a lottery pick, so that they at least have SOMETHING to market to their new fanbase. If the Blazers get that pick, then I see the Nets finding a way to keep Deron, by any means necessary.

It would then take a whole lot of manuvering. That T-Wolves trade isn't too bad, but the Nets would need more back.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

1st: Nets would have to be unsuccessful in landing Dwight Howard.
2nd: It would take a 3rd team that wants Gasol and is willing to part with assets the Nets would want (decent young players).

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Derrick Williams and the 18th pick. 3 team trade. Sign & trade.

That's AWFUL. Williams has shown nothing apart from being Beasley 2.0 and the 18th pick doesn't get you a whole lot. Minny and LA bite your hand off, even with Pau's gargantuan contract.

[WeGetRing2012]

That's AWFUL. Williams has shown nothing apart from being Beasley 2.0 and the 18th pick doesn't get you a whole lot. Minny and LA bite your hand off, even with Pau's gargantuan contract.

That's not true. Minny would take that deal. And the Nets would have no option but to take the deal or lose him for nothing. Derrick Williams has shown to be a great young player and they have no other 1st round picks so the 18th pick would be good too.

Minny has said many time that they are looking for a veteran to add and they have been pursuing Gasol since last year.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

That's not true. Minny would take that deal. And the Nets would have no option but to take the deal or lose him for nothing. Derrick Williams has shown to be a great young player and they have no other 1st round picks so the 18th pick would be good too.

Minny has said many time that they are looking for a veteran to add and they have been pursuing Gasol since last year.
you need to move on from the Minny concept.
Here's why:
1. cannot make the math work.
2. Minny does not need Pek and two PFs. Gasol is not good at center.

Now, if you want to include Pek in a deal, it might make sense, but I don't think that is going to happen. Pek is looking GREAT for them.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

That's not true. Minny would take that deal. And the Nets would have no option but to take the deal or lose him for nothing. Derrick Williams has shown to be a great young player and they have no other 1st round picks so the 18th pick would be good too.

Minny has said many time that they are looking for a veteran to add and they have been pursuing Gasol since last year.

Of course the Wolves love it, they have an all-star calibre big man coming in for a guy they already have one of (Beasley) and a pick that's unlikely to bring anything else in.

You really think someone else isn't going to say, hey, we'll throw you Kevin Martin and the 16th pick? Or even the 17th pick and Beaubois? Or Darren Collison and the 26th pick? ALL of those are better offers.

[artificial]

- Not to be jinxed by konex.

[WeGetRing2012]

you need to move on from the Minny concept.
Here's why:
1. cannot make the math work.
2. Minny does not need Pek and two PFs. Gasol is not good at center.

Now, if you want to include Pek in a deal, it might make sense, but I don't think that is going to happen. Pek is looking GREAT for them.

So Minnesota would prefer Pek over Gasol :lol :lol

And Gasol played center most of the time he was with us with Lamar at the 4 (who is stretch 4 just like Love).

And obviously more players would have to be involved to make it work but that would be the main part of the deal.

[WeGetRing2012]

Of course the Wolves love it, they have an all-star calibre big man coming in for a guy they already have one of (Beasley) and a pick that's unlikely to bring anything else in.

You really think someone else isn't going to say, hey, we'll throw you Kevin Martin and the 16th pick? Or even the 17th pick and Beaubois? Or Darren Collison and the 26th pick? ALL of those are better offers.

The point is the Nets don't have any leverage. Once Deron says trade me to the Lakers or I walk they will have to comply.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

So Minnesota would prefer Pek over Gasol :lol :lol

And Gasol played center most of the time he was with us with Lamar at the 4 (who is stretch 4 just like Love).

And obviously more players would have to be involved to make it would but that would be the main part of the deal.

Pekovic: 26 years old, $4.6m, 1 year
Gasol: 31 (32 by next season) years old, $38.3m, 3 years

:confusedshrug:

[Whoah10115]

The point is the Nets don't have any leverage. Once Deron says trade me to the Lakers or I walk they will have to comply.




Yea, ok. So the Nets trade Deron to LA, LA trades Pau to Minnesota, where they already have a C and a PF, and Brooklyn licks its own anus?




In this case, Pau Gasol goes to Brooklyn for Deron. Your idea is asinine.

[WeGetRing2012]

Pekovic: 26 years old, $4.6m, 1 year
Gasol: 31 (32 by next season) years old, $38.3m, 3 years

:confusedshrug:

Now compare talent.

I posted this in another thread


"If we can add a couple of veterans, a big-time scorer and a defender, it will help us tremendously," Love said Tuesday. "We have the money to spend. I'm sure people know we have the makings of something special here. We have valuable assets on this team. You never know what can happen, but I'll definitely be lobbying for our team."

A core of Rubio/Love/Gasol would make the Wolves a automatic playoff team (4-6th seed)...

[BlackWhiteGreen]

The point is the Nets don't have any leverage. Once Deron says trade me to the Lakers or I walk they will have to comply.

Yeah, and why wouldn't Houston, who've been after Gasol, give up one of their PGs (they don't need Dragic AND Lowry) and their pick for Pau? Apart from the fact the salaries don't work, it's a BETTER DEAL than the fictional Minny one you're fabricating.

Of course, you're only thinking about the Lakers in all this. It's great you think that Deron will say "trade me to the Lakers" when he knows he can't sign there. The Nets can just find out where he'd go in free agency, and send him there for a better package (eg Dallas) and get a pick and a huge trade exception and a player like Roddy B, who's probably shown more NBA worth than Derrick freakin Williams.

[DTreats]

Pek is getting overrated as hell, he played out of his mind this year. He'll be a nice 12/8 on 52% with average D big man. Nothing special.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Now compare talent.

I posted this in another thread



A core of Rubio/Love/Gasol would make the Wolves a automatic playoff team (4-6th seed)...

No one wants to be a 4th-6th seed with one of the big players falling off a cliff in a couple of years (Gasol). Then they're back at square one, having to try and persuade Rubio to sign a long deal even though the team will be mediocre at best.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Pek is getting overrated as hell, he played out of his mind this year. He'll be a nice 12/8 on 52% with average D big man. Nothing special.
so, with another year of experience, he will get worse?

[AMISTILLILL]

This is all a lot of talk about nothing. Deron Williams isn't going to LA. Bookmarked. Keep dreaming, Lakers fans.

More importantly, D-Will and Kobe isn't even more of a threat than the current Lakers lineup with Gasol/Bynum as the tent poles of the offense behind Kobe. Sure, you're in better position when Kobe retires if D-Will signs long term, but you're looking at several more second round exits if all you're carting out onto the court every night is an overpaid back court.

[WeGetRing2012]

Yeah, and why wouldn't Houston, who've been after Gasol, give up one of their PGs (they don't need Dragic AND Lowry) and their pick for Pau? Apart from the fact the salaries don't work, it's a BETTER DEAL than the fictional Minny one you're fabricating.

Of course, you're only thinking about the Lakers in all this. It's great you think that Deron will say "trade me to the Lakers" when he knows he can't sign there. The Nets can just find out where he'd go in free agency, and send him there for a better package (eg Dallas) and get a pick and a huge trade exception and a player like Roddy B, who's probably shown more NBA worth than Derrick freakin Williams.

Dragic is a free agent he can't be traded and they have made it clear that Lowry isn't going anywhere. And Deron determines his whole destiny in all of this...thats why. He can decide whether or not to pick up his player option to have it traded. If he wants to go to Dallas he can just walk and leave the Nets with nothing. So thats why the Nets have no leverage.

[WeGetRing2012]

No one wants to be a 4th-6th seed with one of the big players falling off a cliff in a couple of years (Gasol). Then they're back at square one, having to try and persuade Rubio to sign a long deal even though the team will be mediocre at best.

You keep saying that but everything that the Wolves FO's,players,and coaches have said shows they don't feel that way.

[DuMa]

Dallas has more of a chance of landing Deron. Laker obsession with landing every premier FA without losing anything is a sad dream

[WeGetRing2012]

Dallas has more of a chance of landing Deron. Laker obsession with landing every premier FA without losing anything is a sad dream

Just like landing CP3 was a dream last year :rolleyes:

And Gasol,Shaq,Malone,Payton,etc

The Lakers always land these players.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

More importantly, D-Will and Kobe isn't even more of a threat than the current Lakers lineup with Gasol/Bynum as the tent poles of the offense behind Kobe.

my grandma could replace Gasol and the Lakers would be more of a threat.

[AMISTILLILL]

No one wants to be a 4th-6th seed with one of the big players falling off a cliff in a couple of years (Gasol). Then they're back at square one, having to try and persuade Rubio to sign a long deal even though the team will be mediocre at best.

To be fair, as a Celtics fan, you should know lots of teams don't approach potential trades like that. Boston took a risk on Garnett in '07, knowing full well his game could see a steep decline within a few seasons. They lucked into him recovering effectively from the knee injuries.

The same situation could be said about Gasol, albeit on a smaller scale... clearly Gasol isn't the first ballot HOF caliber performer that KG is.

[AMISTILLILL]

my grandma could replace Gasol and the Lakers would be more of a threat.

Cool exaggeration. It doesn't change the fact that one of the Lakers' biggest advantages continues to be their length. If that's not the case, Lakers fans worldwide have been bragging about a bogus claim since 2008. Just because they are prone to disappearing for stretches of time doesn't make them any less valuable to the Lakers overall competitive chances.

Have the Lakers start a tweener like Big Baby Davis at the four or something... you'd realize pretty quick how big of an impact a guy like Gasol can have.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Cool exaggeration. It doesn't change the fact that one of the Lakers' biggest advantages continues to be their length. If that's not the case, Lakers fans worldwide have been bragging about a bogus claim since 2008. Just because they are prone to disappearing for stretches of time doesn't make them any less valuable to the Lakers overall competitive chances.

Have the Lakers start a tweener like Big Baby Davis at the four or something... you'd realize pretty quick how big of an impact a guy like Gasol can have.
Unfortunately, Gasol's length did not allow him to outplay an undersized rookie PF (Faried), nor Ibaka.
Gasol lost his mojo or something. He was weak in last year's playoffs too.
Length failed us, apparently, as we got run off the court.

[Doranku]

Now compare talent.

I posted this in another thread



A core of Rubio/Love/Gasol would make the Wolves a automatic playoff team (4-6th seed)...

What kind of guy refers to his teammates as "assets"? :wtf:

[AMISTILLILL]

Unfortunately, Gasol's length did not allow him to outplay an undersized rookie PF (Faried), nor Ibaka.
Gasol lost his mojo or something. He was weak in last year's playoffs too.
Length failed us, apparently, as we got run off the court.

It's more a question of heart and motivation than ability, at least from the perspective of a third party observer. Bynum would probably thrive with a change of scenery, and Gasol could return to some sort of quality form with less pressure mounted on his shoulders. The guy has grown accustomed to catching flak when the Lakers struggle, since Kobe never draws the ire of a fan base that almost prefers to see their favorite player score 50 points... even if it means the team loses.

That Lakers front court is clearly bottomed out in morale. They don't buy what Brown is shoveling, their savior off the bench is no longer available (Odom) when one or both of the Lakers starting bigs come up short.

[DuMa]

Just like landing CP3 was a dream last year :rolleyes:

And Gasol,Shaq,Malone,Payton,etc

The Lakers always land these players.

if you want to feel like an entitled prick, so be it.

[WeGetRing2012]

What kind of guy refers to his teammates as "assets"? :wtf:

A guy who wants better players :lol :lol

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

It's more a question of heart and motivation than ability, at least from the perspective of a third party observer. Bynum would probably thrive with a change of scenery, and Gasol could return to some sort of quality form with less pressure mounted on his shoulders. The guy has grown accustomed to catching flak when the Lakers struggle, since Kobe never draws the ire of a fan base that almost prefers to see their favorite player score 50 points... even if it means the team loses.

That Lakers front court is clearly bottomed out in morale. They don't buy what Brown is shoveling, their savior off the bench is no longer available (Odom) when one or both of the Lakers starting bigs come up short.
I don't disagree.
I have to wonder if things would have been different if the whole CP3 fiasco never happened, Odom didn't get his panties in a bunch, and Gasol did not get mentally bitch-slapped.

[AMISTILLILL]

Just like landing CP3 was a dream last year :rolleyes:

And Gasol,Shaq,Malone,Payton,etc

The Lakers always land these players.

Your front office is hobbled by ineptitude now... that's the difference between now and past moves that the LA front office has made. Have you seen the clown you've got running the show now? Where do you think some of these befuddling moves came from this year? Get used to it.

Because New Orleans wanted to ship CP3 out for the best possible return, since Paul had essentially all the leverage in the world, doesn't mean the Lakers had some innate quality that made them more capable of landing that sort of star talent.

The Malone/Payton thing isn't even noteworthy. You had two guys at the tail end of their careers piggy backing to a seemingly easy ring. They were total non-factors in that playoff run. If I recall correctly, Malone was injured. Hell of a way to go out after a long, fruitful career. :rolleyes:

LA has a desirable location and a rich franchise history... that's it. They also have an underwhelming coaching staff, an aging incumbent superstar who refuses to change and defer, as well as the worst bench production in the league. Things are only going to get worse in LA before they get better.

[sick_brah07]

is there anyway to bet money that deron wont end up with the lakers now?

[WeGetRing2012]

Your front office is hobbled by ineptitude now... that's the difference between now and past moves that the LA front office has made. Have you seen the clown you've got running the show now? Where do you think some of these befuddling moves came from this year? Get used to it.

Because New Orleans wanted to ship CP3 out for the best possible return, since Paul had essentially all the leverage in the world, doesn't mean the Lakers had some innate quality that made them more capable of landing that sort of star talent.

The Malone/Payton thing isn't even noteworthy. You had two guys at the tail end of their careers piggy backing to a seemingly easy ring. They were total non-factors in that playoff run. If I recall correctly, Malone was injured. Hell of a way to go out after a long, fruitful career. :rolleyes:

LA has a desirable location and a rich franchise history... that's it. They also have an underwhelming coaching staff, an aging incumbent superstar who refuses to change and defer, as well as the worst bench production in the league. Things are only going to get worse in LA before they get better.

Keep dreaming...:lol :lol

[Twiens]

Bynum for Deron please

[Droid101]

LA has a desirable location and a rich franchise history... that's it. They also have an underwhelming coaching staff, an aging incumbent superstar who refuses to change and defer, as well as the worst bench production in the league. Things are only going to get worse in LA before they get better.
I bet I can find these exact words posted about the Lakers after the 2007 season ended. :lol

[chazzy]

This is all a lot of talk about nothing. Deron Williams isn't going to LA. Bookmarked. Keep dreaming, Lakers fans.
You had this same condescending attitude when the CP3 rumors came about, calling Laker fans delusional for believing it. Just saying.

[WeGetRing2012]

I bet I can find these exact words posted about the Lakers after the 2007 season ended. :lol

Our trading pieces were awful in 2007. And we still pulled it off :lol :lol

[Eat Like A Bosh]

It would take Jim Buss stepping down and Jerry Buss returning

[talkingconch]

lmao some posters scared already at the thought of Dwight, Kobe and D-Will

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

lmao some posters scared already at the thought of Dwight, Kobe and D-Will
they should be!
Hell, just DWill and DHoward is enuf to put them in the playoffs.

[D12"Magic"]

Stefan Bondy ‏@NYDNInterNets
With Lakers S/T for D-Will, source said the Nets would not do that deal for Pau Gasol. Would rather have cap space.

But lets keep on dreaming guys.

[talkingconch]

But lets keep on dreaming guys.
Doesnt mean shit, 3 team trades are possible

[D12"Magic"]

Doesnt mean shit, 3 team trades are possible
Face it, its just not happening.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

But lets keep on dreaming guys.
umm, that's definitive? How about a 3rd team? How about Lakers using the trade exception?
there are many ways to slice this pie.

[D12"Magic"]

umm, that's definitive? How about a 3rd team? How about Lakers using the trade exception?
there are many ways to slice this pie.
Gonna have to come up with some huge block buster trade, its just not a likely scenario where Deron goes to L.A.

[Whoah10115]

I don't know why people think it's impossible that Deron goes to LA. It's very possible and that would be the best backcourt (on paper) in the league. And they seem right to play with each other.




It's unlikely. And WeGetRing is smoking loads of crack with his trade idea.



The Lakers need to figure out and understand how they want to play. Then, they go from there.





But Pau Gasol has to be traded. There's no way around it. The man has been emasculated...by himself. Stop playing bitch to everyone.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Gonna have to come up with some huge block buster trade, its just not a likely scenario where Deron goes to L.A.
as previously discussed, it would have to be a 3 team scenario.

[PJR]

Deron is on record on absolutely hating the Lakers. He would never play with puss ass Kobrick.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Deron is on record on absolutely hating the Lakers. He would never play with puss ass Kobrick.
:rolleyes:

[TheBigVeto]

Can NJ do a sign and trade with him? :hammerhead:

The Lakers can trade their worst scrub for him and Stern will make it happen.
Do it Mitch!

[BlackVVaves]

I don't know why people think it's impossible that Deron goes to LA. It's very possible and that would be the best backcourt (on paper) in the league. And they seem right to play with each other.




It's unlikely. And WeGetRing is smoking loads of crack with his trade idea.



The Lakers need to figure out and understand how they want to play. Then, they go from there.





But Pau Gasol has to be traded. There's no way around it. The man has been emasculated...by himself. Stop playing bitch to everyone.

**nods head**

[longtime lurker]

Why can't people understand that it takes two teams to make a trade? LA has nothing to offer the Nets unless they value Bynum. The 2nd best center in the league and is not a bad consolation prize for losing D-Will. Otherwise Gasol is the one that's going to get traded.

[WeGetRing2012]

Why can't people understand that it takes two teams to make a trade? LA has nothing to offer the Nets unless they value Bynum. The 2nd best center in the league and is not a bad consolation prize for losing D-Will. Otherwise Gasol is the one that's going to get traded.

Why can't people understand there can be 3 team trades?

[Soundwave]

From the sounds of it, Deron is unwilling to leave $20 million on the table to play anywhere (sorry LA) and the Nets need someone to sell tickets/jerseys especially with their move.

No point in having that shiny new arena in Brooklyn if you have no one to bring people to the arena.

Gasol + Sessions is nowhere near enough. If Deron is not willing to leave that much money on the table, than Jersey holds all the cards.

[longtime lurker]

Why can't people understand there can be 3 team trades?

Okay what team? And don't tell me that Houston pu pu platter. Kyle Lowry plus whoever is not enticing enough to open up Brooklyn with. Especially after giving away a potential lottery pick for Gerald Wallace :facepalm

[WeGetRing2012]

From the sounds of it, Deron is unwilling to leave $20 million on the table to play anywhere (sorry LA) and the Nets need someone to sell tickets/jerseys especially with their move.

No point in having that shiny new arena in Brooklyn if you have no one to bring people to the arena.

Gasol + Sessions is nowhere near enough. If Deron is not willing to leave that much money on the table, than Jersey holds all the cards.

Jersey doesnt hold ANY cards. Its either you trade Deron where he wants to go or he walks for nothing. Deron has a PLAYER OPTION. And once he comes to LA we can extend his contract...

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Okay what team? And don't tell me that Houston pu pu platter. Kyle Lowry plus whoever is not enticing enough to open up Brooklyn with. Especially after giving away a potential lottery pick for Gerald Wallace :facepalm

Kyle lowry + 14th pick + 18th pick + sal filler is good deal....

[WeGetRing2012]

Okay what team? And don't tell me that Houston pu pu platter. Kyle Lowry plus whoever is not enticing enough to open up Brooklyn with. Especially after giving away a potential lottery pick for Gerald Wallace :facepalm

Timberwolves Derrick Williams and the 18th pick. Which would make them a great young team. Draft Marqise Teague.

Teague
Brooks
Wallace/Williams
Humpries
Lopez

[Whoah10115]

Timberwolves Derrick Williams and the 18th pick. Which would make them a great young team. Draft Marqise Teague.

Teague
Brooks
Wallace/Williams
Humpries
Lopez





Stop.

[longtime lurker]

Kyle lowry + 14th pick + 18th pick + sal filler is good deal....

No it's not. Sorry but no one is lining up to watch Kyle Lowry play. And do you think Houston values Gasol that much that they'd trade Lowry and 2 picks for him? Lakers got him for less and he wasn't on the downside of his career.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Okay what team? And don't tell me that Houston pu pu platter. Kyle Lowry plus whoever is not enticing enough to open up Brooklyn with. Especially after giving away a potential lottery pick for Gerald Wallace :facepalm


lol you are behaving like Deron Williams is still under contract with Nets and is owed something to them....

just be happy you get back something for him instead of losing him for nothing

lol at dummy billy king for giving up the lottery pick for Gerald Wallace.

[longtime lurker]

Timberwolves Derrick Williams and the 18th pick. Which would make them a great young team. Draft Marqise Teague.

Teague
Brooks
Wallace/Williams
Humpries
Lopez

I think the Nets would rather try and build around Deron than turn into a lottery team again considering how much they gave up for him. 2nd best center in the league is good value for a PG of Deron's caliber.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

No it's not. Sorry but no one is lining up to watch Kyle Lowry play. And do you think Houston values Gasol that much that they'd trade Lowry and 2 picks for him? Lakers got him for less and he wasn't on the downside of his career.

dude what part you dont understand? Deron Williams owes nothing to the nets as of now??? he can opt out and outright sign a contract with any team he wants to?

how hard it is to comprehend?

[WeGetRing2012]

No it's not. Sorry but no one is lining up to watch Kyle Lowry play. And do you think Houston values Gasol that much that they'd trade Lowry and 2 picks for him? Lakers got him for less and he wasn't on the downside of his career.

What do you think. The Nets are going to pull off a trade for another star when Deron tells them he wants to go? They have no other options.

[longtime lurker]

lol you are behaving like Deron Williams is still under contract with Nets and is owed something to them....

just be happy you get back something for him instead of losing him for nothing

lol at dummy billy king for giving up the lottery pick for Gerald Wallace.

Hey I understand, getting something is better than losing him for nothing, but...... GM's don't always make the smartest decisions. Look at what happened with Dwight. And these situations very rarely work out the way free agents want it.

[WeGetRing2012]

I think the Nets would rather try and build around Deron than turn into a lottery team again considering how much they gave up for him. 2nd best center in the league is good value for a PG of Deron's caliber.

DERON HAS A PLAYER OPTION!!!!!!!!!

The Nets took a gamble in 2011 and lost. They have to rebuild no other options...

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I think the Nets would rather try and build around Deron than turn into a lottery team again considering how much they gave up for him. 2nd best center in the league is good value for a PG of Deron's caliber.

lol Deron is not attached to the nets dude...

& you can keep dreaming about getting Bynum for him....I will do this trade Bynum/ebanks for Deron/B Lopez

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Hey I understand, getting something is better than losing him for nothing, but...... GM's don't always make the smartest decisions. Look at what happened with Dwight. And these situations very rarely work out the way free agents want it.

whats your point?

[longtime lurker]

lol Deron is not attached to the nets dude...

& you can keep dreaming about getting Bynum for him....I will do this trade Bynum/ebanks for Deron/B Lopez

WTF genius I'm not even a Nets fan. But these trades usually don't go the way that fans want them to go. Melo was the last guy who was successfully able to force his way to a team of his choosing and people still think the Knicks got fleeced.

[AMISTILLILL]

You had this same condescending attitude when the CP3 rumors came about, calling Laker fans delusional for believing it. Just saying.

Neat. Feel free to post some proof to authenticate your claims because, to the best of my knowledge, I doubted the authenticity of "Dwight and CP3 to LA" rumors.

At the end of the day, is Chris Paul a Laker now?

Fans of the Lakers: I'm more than willing to listen to realistic, practical schemes that put your team back in step with the western conferences elite. Good luck thinking of one with your cap situation and current potential trade bait. :rolleyes:

[longtime lurker]

DERON HAS A PLAYER OPTION!!!!!!!!!

The Nets took a gamble in 2011 and lost. They have to rebuild no other options...

The Nets can still make a play for Dwight Howard. Whether Orlando trades him for whatever they're offering is anyone's guess though.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

WTF genius I'm not even a Nets fan. But these trades usually don't go the way that fans want them to go. Melo was the last guy who was successfully able to force his way to a team of his choosing and people still think the Knicks got fleeced.

i think i am done with you...

hey dumb fcuk...he has a player option and after that he is unrestricted free agent....he can go to any team he wants....he needs ZERO help from the Nets to join any new team

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

The Nets can still make a play for Dwight Howard. Whether Orlando trades him for whatever they're offering is anyone's guess though.

with what??? lopez + brooks? lol

[AMISTILLILL]

Also, this is now the Lakers fanbase's new white whale for the off season. Last summer/lockout it was Chris Paul and Dwight (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241475)... still waiting for that to happen.

Again, bookmarked.

[WeGetRing2012]

The Nets can still make a play for Dwight Howard. Whether Orlando trades him for whatever they're offering is anyone's guess though.

The Nets aren't getting Dwight either. Once teams like the Lakers,Spurs,and Celtics start talking to him he will come to his senses and see all of those teams are better options. I don't understand why the Nets really thought they could go from being one of the worst teams in the league to a championship team in a span of a year :facepalm :facepalm They should have spent all of this time rebuilding....

[WeGetRing2012]

i think i am done with you...

hey dumb fcuk...he has a player option and after that he is unrestricted free agent....he can go to any team he wants....he needs ZERO help from the Nets to join any new team

He doesnt get it :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[longtime lurker]

i think i am done with you...

hey dumb fcuk...he has a player option and after that he is unrestricted free agent....he can go to any team he wants....he needs ZERO help from the Nets to join any new team

He needs help from the Nets to go to the Lakers genius. God damn are we not talking about Deron going to he Lakers? Don't get your panties in a bunch

:biggums:

[WeGetRing2012]

Also, this is now the Lakers fanbase's new white whale for the off season. Last summer/lockout it was Chris Paul and Dwight (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241475)... still waiting for that to happen.

Again, bookmarked.

Please do. CP3 wanted to be in LA it was Stern and the other owners who stopped that trade. This time the league doesnt own the Nets

[longtime lurker]

The Nets aren't getting Dwight either. Once teams like the Lakers,Spurs,and Celtics start talking to him he will come to his senses and see all of those teams are better options. I don't understand why the Nets really thought they could go from being one of the worst teams in the league to a championship team in a span of a year :facepalm :facepalm They should have spent all of this time rebuilding....

Dwight allegedly turned down the Lakers, Celtics and Bulls. Why I have no idea. He has some retarded obsession with playing in Brooklyn. He could always change his mind, but for some reason the Nets seem to be his first choice. Don't shoot the messenger....

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

He needs help from the Nets to go to the Lakers genius. God damn are we not talking about Deron going to he Lakers? Don't get your panties in a bunch

:biggums:

exactly....and the nets need help getting something for him in return...rather than losing him for nothing

Thats where Lowry + 14th + 18th ....becomes huge

[Soundwave]

Jersey doesnt hold ANY cards. Its either you trade Deron where he wants to go or he walks for nothing. Deron has a PLAYER OPTION. And once he comes to LA we can extend his contract...

Then why do the Lakers have to do anything? If he wants to go to LA he can go sign there.

[WeGetRing2012]

Dwight allegedly turned down the Lakers, Celtics and Bulls. Why I have no idea. He has some retarded obsession with playing in Brooklyn. He could always change his mind, but for some reason the Nets seem to be his first choice. Don't shoot the messenger....

He said he would talk to the Celtics and the Celtics didn't have the cap room to make it possible last year.

He turned down the Bulls because both him and Rose are the face of Adidas.

Who knows why he turned down LA but if we got Deron you would think he would be open to coming. Who knows...

I guess he goes to the Celtics or Spurs.

[nba_55]

exactly....and the nets need help getting something for him in return...rather than losing him for nothing

Thats where Lowry + 14th + 18th ....becomes huge

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
So Rockets will trade a young good pg and 2 picks for a soft declining Gasol?
They will stay in the 9th seed with Gasol and they are tired of that.

[longtime lurker]

exactly....and the nets need help getting something for him in return...rather than losing him for nothing

Thats where Lowry + 14th + 18th ....becomes huge

Here's the problem though. You assume that:

1) The Nets can't just make a play to trade for Dwight Howard which would guarantee Deron staying.

2) The Rockets still value Gasol enough to give up Lowry+picks etc

3) If 2 is true the Nets find value in Lowry+2 picks. What makes sense to fans doesn't always make sense to GM's. Remember this is the group that traded a lottery pick for a guy that can opt out at the end of the year.

[nba_55]

with what??? lopez + brooks? lol

better than Derrick williams and 18th pick

[Soundwave]

So basically if New Jersey is unwilling to do a sign and trade for Deron, they do actually hold the cards, because the Lakers plain and simple are well over the cap.

[AMISTILLILL]

Please do. CP3 wanted to be in LA it was Stern and the other owners who stopped that trade. This time the league doesnt own the Nets

I'm pretty sure anyone with two functioning eyes/ears and even a casual interest in NBA basketball knows why the trade didn't happen. Thanks for the overview.

Let the entitlement complex continue. Don't mind me.

[WeGetRing2012]

I'm pretty sure anyone with two functioning eyes/ears and even a casual interest in NBA basketball knows why the trade didn't happen. Thanks for the overview.

Let the entitlement complex continue. Don't mind me.

So the Lakers have pulled off two great trades in the last 3 yrs???? (Gasol & CP3) I have a reason to feel entitled. You on the other hand are doubting everything that can improve the Lakers for no reason.

[Soundwave]

So basically Deron would be interesting in going to LA or Dallas.

But that can't happen if New Jersey doesn't cooperate and accept a S&T.

So if they tell Deron they're not going to do that, he's going to re-sign with them.

Which gives them a franchise player to sell tickets with in their new market.

I'm not understanding why the hell New Jersey would accommodate any move for Deron. They're not going to get a franchise player/box office draw back in return for him most likely.

All they have to do to kill any chance of LA/Dallas is say "no" to any S&T.

[Droid101]

All they have to do to kill any chance of LA/Dallas is say "no" to any S&T.
Nope, Dallas has enough to sign him outright. So, he can say "I sign with Dallas, or you can sign and trade me to the Lakers and at least get something in return.

[G-Funk]

Also, this is now the Lakers fanbase's new white whale for the off season. Last summer/lockout it was Chris Paul and Dwight (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241475)... still waiting for that to happen.

Again, bookmarked.


Everyone knows the CP3 was agreed upon by the GM's it was reported all over the news witch led to all the fa99ot owners(MJ,Dan & cuban) to complain to Stern to veto the Trade. Had that deal gone down, you bet Dwight would have been traded for Bynum.

[G-Funk]

Why can't people understand there can be 3 team trades?

Why can't people understand there can be 4 team trades?

[longtime lurker]

I'm pretty sure anyone with two functioning eyes/ears and even a casual interest in NBA basketball knows why the trade didn't happen. Thanks for the overview.

Let the entitlement complex continue. Don't mind me.

How is it an entitlement complex when a player has shown interest in your team? :confusedshrug:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

better than Derrick williams and 18th pick
:biggums: where the fcuk you came from and do you even know what we are talking about?

[G-Funk]

So basically Deron would be interesting in going to LA or Dallas.


All they have to do to kill any chance of LA/Dallas is say "no" to any S&T.


They would REALLY, REALLY be stupid not to get anything for him. Rockets would be willing to give Lowery and Scola & Martin and a few picks for Gasol...They can find a 3rd team with picks & young talent to trade for Scola & Martin to send to Nets.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Here's the problem though. You assume that:

1) The Nets can't just make a play to trade for Dwight Howard which would guarantee Deron staying.

2) The Rockets still value Gasol enough to give up Lowry+picks etc

3) If 2 is true the Nets find value in Lowry+2 picks. What makes sense to fans doesn't always make sense to GM's. Remember this is the group that traded a lottery pick for a guy that can opt out at the end of the year.

thats the most important part. We can find Minny or any other team that might be interested in Pau and is willing to give what it takes to receive Pau

[RazorBaLade]

Not getting my hopes up after the cp3 shit.

Dont do this to me people.

[Soundwave]

Nope, Dallas has enough to sign him outright. So, he can say "I sign with Dallas, or you can sign and trade me to the Lakers and at least get something in return.

Would he get the same exact amount of money signing in Dallas vs. New Jersey?

[AMISTILLILL]

Everyone knows the CP3 was agreed upon by the GM's it was reported all over the news witch led to all the fa99ot owners(MJ,Dan & cuban) to complain to Stern to veto the Trade. Had that deal gone down, you bet Dwight would have been traded for Bynum.

Cool 'what if' scenarios. Let me know if you have any involving the reanimated corpse of Len Bias. I'll pop some popcorn and we'll light a campfire.


So the Lakers have pulled off two great trades in the last 3 yrs???? (Gasol & CP3) I have a reason to feel entitled. You on the other hand are doubting everything that can improve the Lakers for no reason.

Yes, no reason. Because the cap-killing, $70+ million owed to the superstar who refuses to defer and effectively co-exist with another star/borderline superstar player and the chuckle-head son of a once great owner running the show definitely has nothing to do with my reasons to strongly doubt the Lakers ability to currently lure high impact players.

The Chris Paul situation is not comparable to Deron Williams', despite your proclamations to the contrary. Brooklyn/New Jersey are in a much better position to retain Deron Williams and snag Dwight Howard than the Lakers, and that's a widely recognized fact among analysts, critics and casual fans alike.

I know it's fun to envision all these grandiose scenarios where the Lakers stay on top and never enter a cold period but if the post-Shaq era up until 2008 taught us anything, we know those scenarios don't always come true.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

So basically Deron would be interesting in going to LA or Dallas.

But that can't happen if New Jersey doesn't cooperate and accept a S&T.

So if they tell Deron they're not going to do that, he's going to re-sign with them.

Which gives them a franchise player to sell tickets with in their new market.

I'm not understanding why the hell New Jersey would accommodate any move for Deron. They're not going to get a franchise player/box office draw back in return for him most likely.

All they have to do to kill any chance of LA/Dallas is say "no" to any S&T.

:biggums: lol how old are u...sorry but had to ask with that response

[AMISTILLILL]

How is it an entitlement complex when a player has shown interest in your team? :confusedshrug:

Oh, 'sources' claim he's interested? I'm convinced. :rolleyes:

[chazzy]

Neat. Feel free to post some proof to authenticate your claims because, to the best of my knowledge, I doubted the authenticity of "Dwight and CP3 to LA" rumors.

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6553727&postcount=3

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6553779&postcount=17
Oh, 'sources' claim he's interested? I'm convinced. :rolleyes:
The source in this case is the same one who came out with the CP3 trade rumor that you quickly shot down

[WeGetRing2012]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6553727&postcount=3

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6553779&postcount=17
The source in this case is the same one who came out with the CP3 trade rumor that you quickly shot down

:roll: :roll: :roll:

It's ok though he knows a team of Deron/Bryant/Dwight or Bynum would win rings.......

[Soundwave]

Yes or no, New Jersey can still offer Deron more money than Dallas can?

[chazzy]

Yes or no, New Jersey can still offer Deron more money than Dallas can?
Yes. Deron needs NJ to make a trade or acquisition before he resigns there though.. already spent two seasons surrounded with lottery talent.

[Soundwave]

Yes. Deron needs NJ to make a trade or acquisition before he resigns there though.. already spent two seasons surrounded with lottery talent.

So my original point is correct.

Deron cannot just pick up and go anywhere he wants unless he wants to leave a substantial amount of money on the table.

He's not going to Dallas. They're too old and he'll get more endorsements in Brooklyn and they still have a shot at landing Dwight in the long run.

[WeGetRing2012]

Yes or no, New Jersey can still offer Deron more money than Dallas can?

Not much more. I think it was that Dallas can offer 4yrs/75mil and the nets can offer 5yrs/100mil :confusedshrug:

[Sarcastic]

Yes or no, New Jersey can still offer Deron more money than Dallas can?

No. There is no longer a team that plays in New Jersey.

The Brooklyn Nets can offer more money to Deron Williams though. It's a difference of 28 million dollars. Not chump change by any stretch of the imagination.

[chazzy]

No. There is no longer a team that plays in New Jersey.

The Brooklyn Nets can offer more money to Deron Williams though. It's a difference of 28 million dollars. Not chump change by any stretch of the imagination.
Couldn't the Nets hypothetically do a sign and trade for a trade exception+picks with Dallas the way Toronto and Cleveland did?

[AMISTILLILL]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6553727&postcount=3

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6553779&postcount=17
The source in this case is the same one who came out with the CP3 trade rumor that you quickly shot down

The word 'bullshit' and another post a page or two into a thread, before the trade was picked up by legit sources and was just typical ISH babble, is deemed 'condescending' now? I would hope most people would scoff at that trade suggestion without any reliable source cited.

That's a pretty serious reach, chief.

[Sarcastic]

Couldn't the Nets hypothetically do a sign and trade for a trade exception+picks with Dallas the way Toronto and Cleveland did?

Yes.

[Whoah10115]

Everyone knows the CP3 was agreed upon by the GM's it was reported all over the news witch led to all the fa99ot owners(MJ,Dan & cuban) to complain to Stern to veto the Trade. Had that deal gone down, you bet Dwight would have been traded for Bynum.




That makes a lot of sense. When the Lakers have Paul and Kobe, then common sense dictates that the Magic want to cater to a new Laker dynasty, with 3 players who are the best in the game at their positions and all are arguably top 5.


And with Gasol and Odom out the door, and no good draft picks, and before Bynum actually played a full healthy season as a beast, they would do Bynum for Dwight straight up?

[Soundwave]

No. There is no longer a team that plays in New Jersey.

The Brooklyn Nets can offer more money to Deron Williams though. It's a difference of 28 million dollars. Not chump change by any stretch of the imagination.

I honestly don't see Deron leaving that kind of money on the table to go play with an ancient Dirk Nowitzki.

Maaaaaybe they'd have one run at a title and then he'd be stuck on an older than dirt squad.

This isn't like the situation in Miami where LeBron and Bosh were going to team up with Wade who's still in his prime.

[AMISTILLILL]

I honestly don't see Deron leaving that kind of money on the table to go play with an ancient Dirk Nowitzki.

Maaaaaybe they'd have one run at a title and then he'd be stuck on an older than dirt squad.

Dallas has five guys under contract next season. He wouldn't be stuck on a squad of old guys and, if anything, would likely have say in who the team pursues in the off season.

[Soundwave]

Dallas has five guys under contract next season. He wouldn't be stuck on a squad of old guys and, if anything, would likely have say in who the team pursues in the off season.

After they sign Deron to the max they can offer ... what cap space do they have left?

[AMISTILLILL]

After they sign Deron to the max they can offer ... what cap space do they have left?

It depends on what the max is that they intend to offer, or what Deron is willing to sign for. There's always the option for incentives and to back load his contract as well, which wouldn't start to take effect until guys like Marion come off the books. Keep in mind Dallas is almost certainly going to amnesty Haywood after the disappointing finish, and they'll try and restructure as well as possible with the pieces available in free agency. I wouldn't be shocked to see guys like Kaman and Antawn Jamison in Dallas jerseys come next season. Both are coming from losing situations, and Jamison has already stated he's done in Cleveland.

Losing Haywood takes close to $10 million off the books every season for the next 3 years.

[BallsOut]

Also, this is now the Lakers fanbase's new white whale for the off season. Last summer/lockout it was Chris Paul and Dwight (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241475)... still waiting for that to happen.

Again, bookmarked.

Cp3 did happen, but was vetoed by Stern. Dwight Howard trade almost happened but Dwight opted back in right on the day of the deadline, because he didn't want the Magic to trade him to the Lakers.

I sense a sense of bitterness, resentment and some jealousy from you that the Lakers are capable of picking up these types of players. Unless you've been living under a rock or just plain hating, the Lakers were always involved in serious rumors for Dwight and Cp3 since last season. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter. :confusedshrug:

[AMISTILLILL]

Cp3 did happen, but was vetoed by Stern. Dwight Howard trade almost happened but Dwight opted back in right on the day of the deadline, because he didn't want the Magic to trade him to the Lakers.

I sense a sense of bitterness, resentment and some jealousy from you that the Lakers are capable of picking up these types of players. Unless you've been living under a rock or just plain hating, the Lakers were always involved in serious rumors for Dwight and Cp3 since last season. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter. :confusedshrug:

Not sure how you derive 'bitterness' from anything I've posted. Keep reaching though. It's called 'thinking practically' and 'not having an agenda'. Give it a shot sometime.

It's actually kind of fun to be an impartial fan of a sport. Imagine that.

[It's A VC3!!!]

There is no player on the Lakers that the Nets would be interested in. Nets fans and management would prefer a healthy Brook Lopez over an immature Andrew Bynum. If the Nets wanted Bynum, they would have worked vigorously to obtain him. They have stated repeatedly that the only big men they wish to go after is Dwight Howard.

All I can say to Laker fans is to stop holding their breath. Deron Williams will never be a Laker. It's either Brooklyn or Dallas for him. He's not a pancake like Dwight either so he won't change his mind.

And Pau Gasol's value is crap right now. Unless a team like the Mavericks, Spurs, or Celtics are looking for a peice to continue contending for another year or two, not many teams want him. He would serve as a great second option on a team like the Cavaliers or Grizzlies, but his absurd salary erases interest.

I would like to see Paul Gasol with the Grizzlies because I believe they can instantly be contenders, but they might have to give up a lot.

In conclusion, Deron Williams would need to be traded to be a Laker. Considering that there is no player better then Deron on the Lakers, or many other teams, I don't see that happening. He will most likely have his best two professional years next year and the year after and I cannot wait to watch him have them in a Nets uniform.:cheers:

[NBA2k-Monster23]

This is from Eric Pincus Hoopsworld on the Deron Williams to the Lakers situation.

http://t.co/o1Zp5eeO

Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus
As I've written,if there's some third team willing to give up bright prospects to the Nets in a 3-way with Lakers - but I find that unlikely

Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus
If you're relying on a three-team trade - you're probably grasping at straws as they're pretty rare in the NBA

Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus
If Deron comes out and says-I want to go to the Lakers and that's the team I only want to play for, then let's brainstorm. Until then? nah


I'm a Lakers fan and Deron Williams is one of my favorite players. We just should give up and rebuild the team. There is no way we can land Deron. It's just going to take too much. We should tell Kobe if he wants to go else where then he can ask for a trade. We are not going to win another ring with this core of players. It's over. If we are going to rebuild we should just ship Kobe and Pau out and get back picks and young players.

[Whoah10115]

How anyone thinks that the Lakers were close to landing Dwight Howard...at the deadline? Howard was only looking at Brooklyn and then there was the possibility of something out of left field. The Lakers were not trading Bynum during the year.



And if Williams was traded, it's highly unlikely that the Nets would get equal value.

[Droid101]

Nets fans and management would prefer a healthy Brook Lopez over an immature Andrew Bynum.
You have just proven that Nets fans and management are complete idiots.

[Sarcastic]

How anyone thinks that the Lakers were close to landing Dwight Howard...at the deadline? Howard was only looking at Brooklyn and then there was the possibility of something out of left field. The Lakers were not trading Bynum during the year.



And if Williams was traded, it's highly unlikely that the Nets would get equal value.

The rumor was that the Magic threatened to send Dwight to LAL if he didn't agree to not stay for the extra year. I think he is dead set against being Shaq 2.0

[It's A VC3!!!]

You have just proven that Nets fans and management are complete idiots.

Then every team must be composed of idiots considering not one team has made a pitch for Andrew Bynum this year. There's a series of reasons for that. The injury bug sleeping inside of him combined with complete immaturity prevents other teams from being interested in him.

Granted he hasn't been injured this year, but he is still a risky player to confine huge assets into.
Why would the Nets get rid of Lopez for a player that has already proved that he cannot be a number one option, and is proving to be a lazy second option too. Nobody was bashing Andrew Bynum's skill and potential, so go see a therapist if your that butthurt. There is nothing on that Lakers roster that the Nets are interested in.

Brook Lopez will only be used to lure Dwight Howard. Bottom Line.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

This is from Eric Pincus Hoopsworld on the Deron Williams to the Lakers situation.

http://t.co/o1Zp5eeO

Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus
As I've written,if there's some third team willing to give up bright prospects to the Nets in a 3-way with Lakers - but I find that unlikely

Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus
If you're relying on a three-team trade - you're probably grasping at straws as they're pretty rare in the NBA

Eric Pincus ‏@EricPincus
If Deron comes out and says-I want to go to the Lakers and that's the team I only want to play for, then let's brainstorm. Until then? nah


I'm a Lakers fan and Deron Williams is one of my favorite players. We just should give up and rebuild the team. There is no way we can land Deron. It's just going to take too much. We should tell Kobe if he wants to go else where then he can ask for a trade. We are not going to win another ring with this core of players. It's over. If we are going to rebuild we should just ship Kobe and Pau out and get back picks and young players.
idiot. There is no "shipping out" of Kobe.

[vert48]

The rumor was that the Magic threatened to send Dwight to LAL if he didn't agree to not stay for the extra year. I think he is dead set against being Shaq 2.0If DW is dead set against being Shaq 2.0, then he is even dumber than he appears. Shaq is a top 10 player all time with 4 championships, currently getting paid $5-6 million per year by TNT to do something he is really bad at!!

[Haymaker]

I'm a Lakers fan and Deron Williams is one of my favorite players. We just should give up and rebuild the team. There is no way we can land Deron. It's just going to take too much. We should tell Kobe if he wants to go else where then he can ask for a trade. We are not going to win another ring with this core of players. It's over. If we are going to rebuild we should just ship Kobe and Pau out and get back picks and young players.

:applause: An intelligent Lakers fan. Same thing I was saying about the Spurs when they got eliminated last post-season. Sadly, LA don't have the smart FO/Coach combination Spurs have, and they don't know how to scout properly to give life to their core.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

idiot. There is no "shipping out" of Kobe.

If the "key" is to rebuild then you could ship him out. Don't insult my intelligence because I said something you don't like. What I said was the truth. Unless the Lakers get Deron or Dwight their is no chance you will see another Lakers championship with Kobe. An for the idiot comment you can shove that where the sun don't shine and kick rocks with open toe sandals. Because I can give 2 cents about how you feel.

[AMISTILLILL]

If the "key" is to rebuild then you could ship him out. Don't insult my intelligence because I said something you don't like. What I said was the truth. Unless the Lakers get Deron or Dwight their is no chance you will see another Lakers championship with Kobe. An for the idiot comment you can shove that where the sun don't shine and kick rocks with open toe sandals. Because I can give 2 cents about how you feel.

Kobe has a no trade clause is what he's saying.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

Kobe has a no trade clause is what he's saying.

I know that. I said if the key is to rebuild then Kobe can go to the FO and ask for a trade and the Lakers could accommodate him and receive offers from others. That way we can get younger players and picks to start over with because we will not win another title with this core.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

If the "key" is to rebuild then you could ship him out. Don't insult my intelligence because I said something you don't like. What I said was the truth. Unless the Lakers get Deron or Dwight their is no chance you will see another Lakers championship with Kobe. An for the idiot comment you can shove that where the sun don't shine and kick rocks with open toe sandals. Because I can give 2 cents about how you feel.
Hell, even Magic said, yesterday, that you absolutely HAVE to build around Kobe for the next 3 or 4 years. We have the assets to continue being a contender. Shit look at Dallas last year. Look at Spurs this year.
Besides, there is a major factor of butts-in-seats. If you turn into a lottery team, suddenly its a real revenue issue. The Buss' don't have outside revenue...the teams are their only business.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Hell, even Magic said, yesterday, that you absolutely HAVE to build around Kobe for the next 3 or 4 years. We have the assets to continue being a contender. Shit look at Dallas last year. Look at Spurs this year.
Besides, there is a major factor of butts-in-seats. If you turn into a lottery team, suddenly its a real revenue issue. The Buss' don't have outside revenue...the teams are their only business.

The Lakers have had the same core for two years. The result, two second round losses. I think blind fans are forgetting that it's not how good can my team be. It's if they can be better then OKC. The reality of that happening is unlikely.

And how can the Lakers build around Kobe when their only asset is Bynum. The Lakers era is done dude.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

There is no player on the Lakers that the Nets would be interested in. Nets fans and management would prefer a healthy Brook Lopez over an immature Andrew Bynum.

this is where I stopped reading...there is 1 thing to be a homer and other thing to be a dumb fcuk....

and your comments :biggums:

[It's A VC3!!!]

this is where I stopped reading...there is 1 thing to be a homer and other thing to be a dumb fcuk....

and your comments :biggums:

What are you talking about you obvious moron. How many teams were interested in obtaining Andrew Bynum this season. Zero. No Nets fans or management desire Andrew Bynum. Are you crying over what we prefer?:facepalm

And who is a homer? Did I say that Brook Lopez is better then Bynum? I stated that I do not want his immature ass on this roster. Combine that with his injury bug too. I swear, most Laker fans are completely retarded. And I never use the word retard either. Learn to read before you post. If my preference is to have Lopez over Bynum why do you give a ****? Nobody is interested in Bynum. Bottom Line.

[konex]

Unless the Lakers get Deron or Dwight their is no chance you will see another Lakers championship with Kobe.

Dwight doesn't not improve this team much. Kobe will still be the only option late in games. Deron is the type of guy they need

[NBA2k-Monster23]

Hell, even Magic said, yesterday, that you absolutely HAVE to build around Kobe for the next 3 or 4 years. We have the assets to continue being a contender. Shit look at Dallas last year. Look at Spurs this year.
Besides, there is a major factor of butts-in-seats. If you turn into a lottery team, suddenly its a real revenue issue. The Buss' don't have outside revenue...the teams are their only business.

Kobe has at least two more good years in him. We are weak at PG,SF, and Bench help. We have two 7ft guys who can barely run the floor. If you want to compete against teams in the NBA you have to change your philosophy. You don't have to have two 7ft to win a title and it's really not and advantage. What it does it slows down the pace of the team. Kobe shoots a jumper and miss then it's off to the races for a team like Denver, OKC, and the Spurs. With Bynum and Gasol slow tempo that gives the other team a 4 on 3 advantage because Bynum and Gasol can't get up the court fast enough. The key to beating the Lakers is running, being young, and athletic. Any team that fits that criteria have a major shot at beating the lakers.

I rather rebuild because I just don't see us being good enough team to get another ring. The longer we weight the longer it will take to catch up with other teams.

[NBA2k-Monster23]

[QUOTE=NBA2k-Monster23]Unless the Lakers get Deron or Dwight their is no chance you will see another Lakers championship with Kobe.QUOTE]

Dwight doesn't not improve this team much. Kobe will still be the only option late in games. Deron is the type of guy they need


I want Deron or Dwight it doesn't matter. One of these guys would give a shot.

[D12"Magic"]

Not much more. I think it was that Dallas can offer 4yrs/75mil and the nets can offer 5yrs/100mil :confusedshrug:
Not Much More :oldlol:. Deron can get an extra $28 Million, which is hard to turn down.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

What are you talking about you obvious moron. How many teams were interested in obtaining Andrew Bynum this season. Zero. No Nets fans or management desire Andrew Bynum. Are you crying over what we prefer?:facepalm

And who is a homer? Did I say that Brook Lopez is better then Bynum? I stated that I do not want his immature ass on this roster. Combine that with his injury bug too. I swear, most Laker fans are completely retarded. And I never use the word retard either. Learn to read before you post. If my preference is to have Lopez over Bynum why do you give a ****? Nobody is interested in Bynum. Bottom Line.

lol... how many teams were interested in obtaining Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Wade, Rose????

nobody cause they were not available.....thats the difference Einstein

What we prefer??? Billy King would come and pickup bynum if he can and traded anybody on that roster...immature or not

but keep hating and live with B Lopez..who averages 4rbs/game

[General]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d6hfs25

Then you trade Gasol for Deron.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d6hfs25

Then you trade Gasol for Deron.
:roll:
Do you seriously think the Nets would do that?

[Rekindled]

What are you talking about you obvious moron. How many teams were interested in obtaining Andrew Bynum this season. Zero. No Nets fans or management desire Andrew Bynum. Are you crying over what we prefer?:facepalm

And who is a homer? Did I say that Brook Lopez is better then Bynum? I stated that I do not want his immature ass on this roster. Combine that with his injury bug too. I swear, most Laker fans are completely retarded. And I never use the word retard either. Learn to read before you post. If my preference is to have Lopez over Bynum why do you give a ****? Nobody is interested in Bynum. Bottom Line.

not sure if srs :biggums: :biggums: :coleman: :coleman:

[Droid101]

:roll:
Do you seriously think the Nets would do that?
I think he was making a joke to rebuild the 2008 Jazz (who, incidentally, Hollinger picked to beat the Lakers in the playoffs that year).

[BlackVVaves]

What are you talking about you obvious moron. How many teams were interested in obtaining Andrew Bynum this season. Zero. No Nets fans or management desire Andrew Bynum. Are you crying over what we prefer?:facepalm

And who is a homer? Did I say that Brook Lopez is better then Bynum? I stated that I do not want his immature ass on this roster. Combine that with his injury bug too. I swear, most Laker fans are completely retarded. And I never use the word retard either. Learn to read before you post. If my preference is to have Lopez over Bynum why do you give a ****? Nobody is interested in Bynum. Bottom Line.

:roll: