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1987_Lakers
05-24-2012, 11:23 PM
I have a tough time seeing them beat the Spurs, but I can see them beating OKC somehow.

Tenchi Ryu
05-24-2012, 11:24 PM
Its gonna have to be MIAMI vs SA.

Wade and Bron vs SA ain't gonna cut it.

General
05-24-2012, 11:25 PM
If Bosh is healthy, absolutely.

Batz
05-24-2012, 11:25 PM
I have a tough time seeing them beat the Spurs, but I can see them beating OKC somehow.
Without Bosh? They got nothing. With Bosh? It's bipolar. If everyone performs, they win the championship. If they have the same mishaps they had with Dallas, they will crumble again. Really hard to tell. This team isn't all that better than last years, and Spo is more of an idiot than ever.

swi7ch
05-24-2012, 11:25 PM
Not without a healthy Bosh.

G-train
05-24-2012, 11:25 PM
I have a tough time seeing them beat the Spurs, but I can see them beating OKC somehow.

The Spurs cannot guard Wade, Lebron and Bosh. However the Heat can guard them.
OKC would be tougher.

Kurosawa0
05-24-2012, 11:26 PM
The only question I have for the Spurs is who are the perimeter defenders? They don't have Bruce Bowen anymore. I don't like the idea of Danny Green and Manu on Wade and then Leonard and Jackson on LeBron.

1987_Lakers
05-24-2012, 11:26 PM
Even if Bosh comes back I seriously doubt he will be 100%.

KingBeasley08
05-24-2012, 11:26 PM
Better question is why do we hear things when are minds are delusioned? Why does Kid Cudi music stand out in the lonliest places? Why was Einstein married to his cousin? And who is Kobe Bryant? :coleman:

Batz
05-24-2012, 11:27 PM
The only question I have for the Spurs is who are the perimeter defenders? They don't have Bruce Bowen anymore. I don't like the idea of Danny Green and Manu on Wade and then Leonard and Jackson on LeBron.
Solid enough team wise. They are active. Which is enough to make it a series.

Upgrayedd
05-24-2012, 11:27 PM
No.

Brickz187
05-24-2012, 11:27 PM
I'm going to say of course. What kind of fan would I be if I said "nope, no chance at all". As long as the Heat are playing, they will always have a legitimate shot.

Tenchi Ryu
05-24-2012, 11:27 PM
Even if Bosh comes back I seriously doubt he will be 100%.
He won't cause this was a injury to his core, meaning not only will he have to wait to GET healthy, THEN he'd have to work his way up back to form. That's a big reason most of the TNT crew considers him out for the rest of the year.

TMT
05-24-2012, 11:28 PM
I have a tough time seeing them beat the Spurs, but I can see them beating OKC somehow.

I feel the opposite. I feel like the Heat can take the Spurs but will struggle against OKC. The main difference being OKC having legit shot blockers inside which will be key to stop the Miami big 2 penetration.

LBJDW305
05-24-2012, 11:28 PM
Bosh will be back this series just letting you know they were debating letting him play a game 7...now he will have even more rest.I think with a bosh that can make his jumper, Miami has a decent shot

OldSchoolBBall
05-24-2012, 11:28 PM
Not without Bosh imo, against either of them. Even with Bosh, SA's execution and defensive discipline will be tough for them; Leonard will be a great defender on Lebron.

Kurosawa0
05-24-2012, 11:29 PM
Solid enough team wise. They are active. Which is enough to make it a series.

I'm picking the Spurs. I think their ball movement will be too much for Miami to stop, but it won't be easy. They're counting on some really inexperienced guys. It'll be interesting to see how well they do against Westbrook & Durant.

shady6121
05-24-2012, 11:29 PM
I just realized Miami won't have home court advantage against either team, it's gonna be tough, but they definitely have a legitimate shot.

1987_Lakers
05-24-2012, 11:29 PM
Mike Miller also looks very banged up, he was hitting shots tonight, but it seemed like he shouldn't have been on the court.

Batz
05-24-2012, 11:30 PM
I'm picking the Spurs. I think their ball movement will be too much for Miami to stop, but it won't be easy. They're counting on some really inexperienced guys. It'll be interesting to see how well they do against Westbrook & Durant.
Ball movement will be interesting. Miami is dangerous and play the lanes better than any team in the league.

mark
05-24-2012, 11:30 PM
Not without Bosh imo, against either of them. Even with Bosh, SA's execution and defensive discipline will be tough for them; Leonard will be a great defender on Lebron.

Leonard could guard a banged up Kobe in the regular season, but not a pissed off LeBron thanks to Granger for waking him up.

dude77
05-24-2012, 11:31 PM
fk that .. the question is does okc or san antonio have a legitimate shot vs. the heat .. wade and lebron are back doing pressers together .. wcf winner is in trouble :rockon:

Kurosawa0
05-24-2012, 11:31 PM
I just realized Miami won't have home court advantage against either team, it's gonna be tough, but they definitely have a legitimate shot.

It's odd in the Finals. We saw it with Dallas last year. You split those first two games and it's really hard not to drop two of three straight on the road.

Batz
05-24-2012, 11:31 PM
Leonard could guard a banged up Kobe in the regular season, but not a pissed off LeBron thanks to Granger for waking him up.
Had more to do with Pacers bad defensive strategies and rotations. He did demolish them in that 40/18/9 game though...

StateOfMind12
05-24-2012, 11:32 PM
Without a healthy Bosh? I don't think they'll beat either one.

They matchup better against OKC though because of OKC was very turnover prone in the post-season although they have had much better ball-control in the post-season.

Spurs would do the same thing the Mavericks did last season except they won't need 4th quarter runs and comebacks to beat them.

SpaceJammeR
05-24-2012, 11:32 PM
if bosh is healthy and there role players score atleast 20+ per game. they could do it. there role players have a lot to do with it.

TMT
05-24-2012, 11:32 PM
The only question I have for the Spurs is who are the perimeter defenders? They don't have Bruce Bowen anymore. I don't like the idea of Danny Green and Manu on Wade and then Leonard and Jackson on LeBron.

Perimeter defense won't be the problem. Leonard has proven he can hold his own, Jackson when motivated (which he is) is stellar defensively primarily against size, and Danny Green is underrated defensively and will atleast be able to stay in front of Wade. Ginobili is more of a wildcard, sometimes he's great on defense and other times not so much.

Like I said, inside defensive presence will be more of an issue for San Antonio.

D.J.
05-24-2012, 11:34 PM
Without Bosh, they're not beating either of them. With Bosh, they have a better shot against OKC. The thing is beating Miami only requires one thing...being able to shift and clog the driving lane. San Antonio probably does that better than any team in the league. That's one thing Indiana couldn't do. You gotta clog the lane and force Bron and Wade to take outside shots and neither of them are consistent outside shooters. OKC has the shot blocking in their favor, but you can't count on Ibaka to block 4-5 shots a game.

1987_Lakers
05-24-2012, 11:37 PM
Without a healthy Bosh? I don't think they'll beat either one.

They matchup better against OKC though because of OKC was very turnover prone in the post-season although they have had much better ball-control in the post-season.

Spurs would do the same thing the Mavericks did last season except they won't need 4th quarter runs and comebacks to beat them.

This is exactly why I think Miami has a better chance against OKC. Spurs are pretty much a steroid version of last year's Mavericks, the ball moves and they don't make mistakes, OKC can be pretty erratic at times when taking care of the ball, and Miami is the last team you want turning the ball over against.

moey-
05-24-2012, 11:41 PM
Miami will have a tough time against Boston, provided they get past Philly.

They have absolutely no chance against SA, at most I'll give them 1 game.

nba_55
05-24-2012, 11:42 PM
A team with Wade and Lebron will always have a legitimate chance against any team.

Batz
05-24-2012, 11:46 PM
This is exactly why I think Miami has a better chance against OKC. Spurs are pretty much a steroid version of last year's Mavericks, the ball moves and they don't make mistakes, OKC can be pretty erratic at times when taking care of the ball, and Miami is the last team you want turning the ball over against.
Spurs and Mavericks are very different. Mavericks were just hot, 3 point crazy and Dirk was just playing out of his minds when it mattered most.

The spurs changed up their offense. Basically making Parker the focal point. The ball moves plenty, sure, but it's run through the guards and then Duncan whereas in previous years they ran it through the Spurs' big three in Parker/Duncan/Giniboli. Much more different than last years Mavericks offense.

Not to mention the Spurs have a better defensive repertoire. They're not better defensively individually than the 2011 Mavericks, but I think they can shock the world. And Pop has done a good amount of that.

It'll all come down to coaching, or Lebron/Wade clicking. Heat fans should be slightly afraid, because a small miracle is much needed going up against either OKC or Spurs. Spo better do his homework too.

97 bulls
05-24-2012, 11:52 PM
I like the heat vs okc matchup cuz the thunder turn the ball over far too much. I like the spurs chances vs the heat cuz the spurs are a veteraan team with the core having championship experience. But the heat can definately beat both teams.

Kingwillball
05-25-2012, 12:00 AM
Let me Splain a little something... IF Lebron and Wade play like they have over the past 3 games and they get production from Role players like last 3 games and Have Bosh back not only do they have a legit shot I EXPECT THEM TO WIN !!! Here is Why Wade and Lebron can single handily dominate a game and there Defense and Speed would give SA fits Running a smooth offense while their Experience would be difference against Wet behind the ears OKC..

nbaballllller
05-25-2012, 12:05 AM
Have u not been watching the last 3 games?

Miami is a bi polar team like someone previously mentioned.

They can look like absolute rubbish and then come out on a streak and look damn near invincible.

If miami plays like it has been the last couple games they will beat both teams. Infact without bosh, lebron and wade both know they need to be super aggressive which has actually helped them.

It wuld be ridiculous to say they dont have a good chance

gengiskhan
05-25-2012, 12:10 AM
Ball movement will be interesting. Miami is dangerous and play the lanes better than any team in the league.

& OKC dont :facepalm

apparently all of a sudden Durant extra long wingspan has been cut to size overnight.

Apparently Westbrook cannot deflect a passing lane & come up with wild shot on breakaway that shifts the momentum completely in OKL favor.

OKL too athletic, too quick, too young. You add Ibaka & Perkins to the OKL paint area. MIA will be in trouble if Bosh dont show up 100%.

PickernRoller
05-25-2012, 12:12 AM
No chance at all against San Antonio. 10% chance against OKC. :roll: :roll: Good luck thou...would love to see Wade get his second ring. This is, Lebron's jumpshot is broken and boy will he need it against those teams. Dallas laid the blueprint, still effective.

PianoMan
05-25-2012, 12:14 AM
No chance at all against San Antonio. 10% chance against OKC. :roll: :roll: Good luck thou...would love to see Wade get his second ring. This is, Lebron's jumpshot is broken and boy will he need it against those teams. Dallas laid the blueprint, still effective.
Let's see then

Soundwave
05-25-2012, 12:20 AM
Recovery time for an abdominal tear is generally 3 weeks. Ginobli had one and pushed it down to about 15 days during the regular season, but if Miami can get past the 76ers/Celtics, Bosh should not only be healthy but well rested for the Finals.

If Spoelstra was saying there was a chance Bosh would play in game 7 (if neccessary) vs. the Pacers, then it's almost certain Bosh has a 1st or 2nd degree ab strain, which is not *that* bad.

I think Bosh will play in game 1 of the next round honestly, Miami just has to hope he doesn't re-injure in the first 4-5 days.

Once he clears that window, he should be OK.

nbaballllller
05-25-2012, 12:27 AM
No chance at all against San Antonio. 10% chance against OKC. :roll: :roll: Good luck thou...would love to see Wade get his second ring. This is, Lebron's jumpshot is broken and boy will he need it against those teams. Dallas laid the blueprint, still effective.

dallas didnt do shiz.

Lebron was tired/having mental issues lol (whatever u wana believe) and played terrible (for him).

If he played like himself they wuld have won that series.

So my point is if lebron turns up then spurs wont be able to stop him, if he doesnt its most likely his fault. (not insulting the spurs in any way)

EnoughSaid
05-25-2012, 12:31 AM
Definitely. If Wade, LeBron and Bosh perform like they're supposed to, the title is in the bag. The most important thing is going to be the role players, especially Haslem, Miller, Battier and Chalmers stepping up. It's nice that there are no dominant big men left in the Playoffs, so Miami's lack of size inside won't hurt them as much in the Finals. LET'S GO HEAT! :rockon:

1987_Lakers
05-25-2012, 12:36 AM
Definitely. If Wade, LeBron and Bosh perform like they're supposed to, the title is in the bag. The most important thing is going to be the role players, especially Haslem, Miller, Battier and Chalmers stepping up. It's nice that there are no dominant big men left in the Playoffs, so Miami's lack of size inside won't hurt them as much in the Finals. LET'S GO HEAT! :rockon:

Duncan: 18 PPG | 9 RPG | 2 BPG | 54 FG% in this postseason so far.
http://live.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tim-duncan.jpg

PianoMan
05-25-2012, 12:38 AM
Duncan: 18 PPG | 9 RPG | 2 BPG | 54 FG% in this postseason so far.
http://live.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tim-duncan.jpg
That boy too old, his knees hurt :lol

TMT
05-25-2012, 12:40 AM
That boy too old, his knees hurt :lol

Why do you even bother talking when you don't watch the games? :confusedshrug:

Duncan is looking as fresh as ever. Much different then the TD we've seen the past couple years.

1987_Lakers
05-25-2012, 12:41 AM
That boy too old, his knees hurt :lol

Duncan hasn't felt this fresh in 3-4 years and despite his old age he is still more mobile than slow ass Hibbert.:oldlol:

TrueRob
05-25-2012, 12:50 AM
I think a healthy Miami team would beat the Spurs in 5 games. Having Bosh healthy will be crucial; he destroyed the Spurs in their regular season match-up. Miami plays fantastic defense on the perimeter, they are built to beat up-tempo 3-pt shooting teams. Personally, I want OKC-Miami, because I think that series would be way more competitive.

PyrrhusX
05-25-2012, 01:03 AM
If spurs can dominate OKC, I dont see how Miami will beat them.
In the end, we will jsut have to wait and see.

MJistheGOAT
05-25-2012, 01:06 AM
If Bosh is back relatively healthy a.k.a. make jumpers, Miami could make the series competitive ...

Without Bosh, SA/OKC win easily (2 vs 5)

All Net
05-25-2012, 01:08 AM
If Bosh is back yes without a doubt...I think spurs would be an better match-up for them than OKC.

chazzy
05-25-2012, 01:11 AM
Of course, but I wonder how they'll handle a truly elite offensive team. They haven't face one these past two seasons in the playoffs

LBJMVP
05-25-2012, 01:28 AM
It's odd in the Finals. We saw it with Dallas last year. You split those first two games and it's really hard not to drop two of three straight on the road.


i know it has to do with traveling from east coast to west coast, but i still hate the format.

there really isn't that much of an advantage.

OKC and Indiana are only a little farther away then indiana and new york right?

Jasper
05-25-2012, 01:30 AM
Spurs will dismantle the Heat .

Heat will dismantle Oak.

Problem is Spurs will be in the finals... They are running on all 8 cylinders :bowdown: (Make that 10 legit players) :D

G-train
05-25-2012, 01:48 AM
There is no team in the history of the NBA that a healthy 2012 Miami Heat wouldn't have a legitimate shot against.
I'm not saying they would beat every team ever or that they are the best team ever.
I am saying they would have a competitive series against anyone, ever.
They have 2 of the top 5 or so players and then a fantastic 4 who would be a number one option on many teams.
Posters here acting like they will get swept.
Miami will be NBA champions IMO. However I feel that OKC would test them the most. I think the Heat would beat the Spurs in 4 or 5 games.

28renyoy
05-25-2012, 02:02 AM
There is no team in the history of the NBA that a healthy 2012 Miami Heat wouldn't have a legitimate shot against.
I'm not saying they would beat every team ever or that they are the best team ever.
I am saying they would have a competitive series against anyone, ever.
They have 2 of the top 5 or so players and then a fantastic 4 who would be a number one option on many teams.
Posters here acting like they will get swept.
Miami will be NBA champions IMO. However I feel that OKC would test them the most. I think the Heat would beat the Spurs in 4 or 5 games.

LOL @ this garbage. A great defensive team with a dominant big man would destroy them. Hell they would be swept by a team like the 05 Spurs.

SacJB Shady
05-25-2012, 03:31 AM
I would say in order for Miami to beat the spurs, not only would bosh have to come back, but he would have to come back playing like his old self, and dwayne wade would have to have epic performances. AND... Lebron James will have to show up in the 4th. So it might be too tall of a task for miami since the spurs are just loaded with pieces that play all out together.

2swift4u
05-25-2012, 03:45 AM
Seems like most guys here expect the Spurs to beat OKC. I'm really not sure about that. And I also think Miami has a better shot at beating the Spurs than beating the Thunder.

Kingwillball
05-25-2012, 03:51 AM
Yeah Spurs are gonna Stop Lebron and Wade.. :rolleyes: , anyway the HEat as an Underdog with ALOT to prove is dangerous as if they are locked in and Confident they wont lose..Spurs are Overrated they Dominate OKC than I will re-access things before Finals but if SPurs OKC goes 7 and Spurs Win in 7 than I would be VERY confident picking the HEat. I Said a 2 months ago OKC vs MIami in Finals and I am sticking with it..

Indian guy
05-25-2012, 04:05 AM
And I also think Miami has a better shot at beating the Spurs than beating the Thunder.

Spurs would be yet another Dallas. Miami wants no part of that offense, believe me.

Finger Roll
05-25-2012, 05:31 AM
Mike Miller also looks very banged up, he was hitting shots tonight, but it seemed like he shouldn't have been on the court.

mike miller looks like he's smoking rocks :biggums:

JustinJDW
05-25-2012, 02:09 PM
I think Boston will beat Miami, but if not, then I definitely think the Spurs would beat them. I really hate sounding too confident about this, but honestly, Spurs are the perfect team to beat the Miami Heat. I think Boston is up there too, but the Spurs are almost perfectly designed to.

Everyone knows that when the Heat are on the fastbreak all game, that's when they become borderline unstoppable. That's how Lebron and D-Wade get 40-point games. Everyone also knows that the best defense against the fastbreak is a good offense. So what's the two best things you could do, that greatly diminishes the fastbreak offense, before you even spend a second focusing on defense?

Don't turnover the basketball.
Make your long range shots.

Well, San Antonio is 3rd in the League in not turning over the basketball, and they're 1st in the league in FG% AND 3-point FG%.

That right there already gives the Heat problems. Before the coaches even get to the X's and O's, they already know that if the Spurs keep that going, the Heat's fastbreak will already struggle. This is why the Clippers only got like freaking 8 fastbreak points a game all series. No chances to break. Can't break on made shots. Offense struggled.

You keep Miami in a half-court set, where they run their borderline non-existent half-court offense, where all they basically run is the pick-n-roll. Well guess which team is one of the best in the league at not only running the pick-n-roll, but also defending it? Yeah, you guessed right. Don't believe me? Ask Chris Paul how effective his pick-n-roll was. Ask how many dunks Blake Griffin or Deandre Jordan got all series. Like four all together? And Chris Paul is the best pick-n-roll player in the league.

My point is that people that are sitting here asking questions like, "Well who's going to shut down Lebron and D-Wade?" Those people really need to learn more about basketball. Its not about one vs. one defending, its about team defending. If you're facing the Heat, and you're stopping the fastbreak, rebounding the basketball and controlling the paint, and you're only problem is who's matching up one vs. one on isolation plays with Lebron and D-Wade, you're going to win that game.

That's exactly what Pop wants to be his problem, stopping isolation plays in the half-court set. One vs. One basketball, because you can't win Championships this way. We're going to play them exactly how we played the Clippers. We're going to funnel them down towards the baseline, go under the screens, and dare the living hell out of them to take the jumpshots. They're not going to be morons like Indiana and go over every single screen and give up layups and dunks all game. And even then, Lebron and D-Wade will continually have to have the God-like games they just had to win the series. That's the problem with Superstar teams, they have to always play like Superstars. No depth. They're not like Boston where Pierce or Rondo can play like shit and they can still put out games. Or the Spurs where Tony Parker can also start playing like shit and take a couple games off, (like Game 4 Utah and Game 1 L.A.C) and still sweep both series. Parker had a mediocre series against the Clippers, and the team still won convincingly. The Heat will have to consecutively have unbelievable performances from their superstars and their roleplayers have to step up every single game to win.

And we haven't even begun to talk about how the Heat are going to defend the Spurs offense yet. Since you guys like simplifying Playoff series so much, who's going to stop Tim Duncan? Word of advice, he ain't no Roy Hibbert, and he's playing like he's 28 years old again. Lets just say, this is going to be the first team in the Playoffs where the Heat gets attacked just as much from their opponents offense as they do with their own.

Long story short gents, unless the Spurs suddenly start turning over the basketball, (which we won't) magically start missing our shots, (which we won't) Lebron & D-Wade both basically average 40ppg the whole series and magically start hitting EVERYTHING from outside, (which they won't against S.A) and Spoelstra somehow doesn't get mentally ripped to shreds and out-coached by Pop, (which he will) then I don't see how they would win this series. Simply put, they need a lot more things to go there way then we do.

But this whole post is way to immature anyway. Conference Finals series haven't even started yet. O.K.C is going to be a hell of a series. They got so much offensive firepower, its ridiculous. The key here will be to take one in Oklahoma City, as simple and obvious as it sounds. We got home-court advantage already, but these cats can definitely win on the road. If we make it to where they have to beat us twice in S.A, then I think the series will be over. So yeah, got to get ready for the Thunder and that sea of endless white people that is their home crowd.

Nash
05-25-2012, 02:27 PM
Whatever it is, I think its good for Miami to be the underdog. Would be less pressure I guess. Especially against Spurs.

SpecialQue
05-25-2012, 02:28 PM
Whatever it is, I think its good for Miami to be the underdog. Would be less pressure I guess. Especially against Spurs.

It's a nice thought, but I'll be able to use by dlck as a belt before this Miami team ever becomes an "underdog."

ImmortalD24
05-25-2012, 02:30 PM
I have a tough time seeing them beat the Spurs, but I can see them beating OKC somehow.
:oldlol: @ This clown. Your agenda is obvious.

Nash
05-25-2012, 02:31 PM
It's a nice thought, but I'll be able to use by dlck as a belt before this Miami team ever becomes an "underdog."
Well they are. Just look at this thread, nobody expects them to beat Spurs.

SpecialQue
05-25-2012, 02:32 PM
Well they are. Just look at this thread, nobody expects them to beat Spurs.

ISH isn't the mainstream. Everyone, including those talking heads on TV, think Miami is the best team in the league and will win it all.

ImmortalD24
05-25-2012, 02:37 PM
Well they are. Just look at this thread, nobody expects them to beat Spurs.
I'd expect the Heat to beat the Spurs rather easily, actually. Spurs will wear out and their shots (pretty much a jump shooting team) from the perimeter will be mitigated by the great perimeter defense of the Heat. I expect such a series to go 5-6 at most for the Heat.

OKC? I can see them making it an interesting series.. mainly because they have a deeper set of big men who are very capable of defending the Heat onslaught of P&R.. as well as having well above average perimeter defenders in Sefolosha (and to a lesser extent) Kevin Durant.

Either way however, Heat are huge favorites.

ThatsGame
05-25-2012, 02:38 PM
Well they are. Just look at this thread, nobody expects them to beat Spurs.

Thats because this forum is full of trolls and idiots that say the opposite of what the reality is to rile people up.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
05-25-2012, 02:39 PM
:oldlol: @ This clown. Your agenda is obvious.

What's his agenda? The Spurs look like one of IF NOT the best team left right now. :confusedshrug:

Da Hammer
05-25-2012, 02:43 PM
Spurs would beat the Heat in 5 or 6 games. I just don't see how they pose any threat to them. Jackson, Leonard, and Green are all above average defenders with big wing spans that would limit Wade and Lebron to at least low effeciency scoring. Not to mention the Spurs are the best team defense in the league at clogging the lane and chasing down 3 point shooters. Duncan would have a field day against the Miami bigs.

Thunder and Heat honestly is a toss up for me. I can see but I would give the advantage to the younger legs of Oklahoma and the bigger interior defensive precense with both Ibaka and Perkins being able to block and alter shots inside against penetration. I would say Thunder in 6 or 7. Miami would have a real shot in this series to win though.

ImmortalD24
05-25-2012, 02:45 PM
Spurs would beat the Heat in 5 or 6 games. I just don't see how they pose any threat to them. Jackson, Leonard, and Green are all above average defenders with big wing spans that would limit Wade and Lebron to at least low effeciency scoring. say Thunder in 6 or 7. Miami would have a real shot in this series to win though.
Stopped reading right there.

jlip
05-25-2012, 02:49 PM
They have a shot, but I just see the Spurs and Thurnder as more "complete" teams.

Da Hammer
05-25-2012, 02:52 PM
Stopped reading right there.
Then you clearly don't watch the Spurs.

shortsoptional
05-25-2012, 07:11 PM
I hear some talk about Dallas laying the blueprint against Miami.

Here's the thing with San Antonio; while their offense is better than Dallas' was last year at this time, I don't know that i've seen San Antonio play a zone defense like Dallas did last year. A lot of people kept saying, "well if LeBron played up to par in the Finals, they would have won"...Well, that's the thing. Dallas did a good job of not allowing him to play his game.

The zone allows you to funnel people in to the lane, or block them from the lane... basically it limits penetration which is far and a way LeBron's game. You turn him in to a jump shooter, his effectivness goes way down.

I haven't seen a ton of Spurs games this year, but the zone defense Dallas used last year was a big reason why LeBron had trouble having his normal output. No one is better than Miami in transition, so if you can limit them on that and stop penetration, that's the key, IMO.

Granted, I think San Antonio is a better man defending team than Dallas was last year, but the best man defenders in the game can't single handedly shut down talents like LeBron and Wade. That's why I believe a zone defense thrown at them at crucial times of the game is important. Guess we'll see...

Derka
05-25-2012, 07:17 PM
The way Wade and Lebron are playing right now, combining for 70ish points a night? Absolutely.

highwhey
05-25-2012, 07:22 PM
I hear some talk about Dallas laying the blueprint against Miami.

Here's the thing with San Antonio; while their offense is better than Dallas' was last year at this time, I don't know that i've seen San Antonio play a zone defense like Dallas did last year. A lot of people kept saying, "well if LeBron played up to par in the Finals, they would have won"...Well, that's the thing. Dallas did a good job of not allowing him to play his game.

The zone allows you to funnel people in to the lane, or block them from the lane... basically it limits penetration which is far and a way LeBron's game. You turn him in to a jump shooter, his effectivness goes way down.

I haven't seen a ton of Spurs games this year, but the zone defense Dallas used last year was a big reason why LeBron had trouble having his normal output. No one is better than Miami in transition, so if you can limit them on that and stop penetration, that's the key, IMO.

Granted, I think San Antonio is a better man defending team than Dallas was last year, but the best man defenders in the game can't single handedly shut down talents like LeBron and Wade. That's why I believe a zone defense thrown at them at crucial times of the game is important. Guess we'll see...
good post, but you're underestimating coach pop, he'll know how to cripple miami's offense better than any other coach in the nba. this is the biggest reason why i believe SA can win it all this year, not only is the team playing incredible basketball, but they still have the best coach in the nba. miami will have to bring in a chess grandmaster to compete with pop's abilities.

shortsoptional
05-25-2012, 07:27 PM
good post, but you're underestimating coach pop, he'll know how to cripple miami's offense better than any other coach in the nba. this is the biggest reason why i believe SA can win it all this year, not only is the team playing incredible basketball, but they still have the best coach in the nba. miami will have to bring in a chess grandmaster to compete with pop's abilities.


Oh I totally agree that Pop is the best. I guess I was just focussing in on the supposed "blue print" that some people like to say Dallas laid out. I know Popovich can and will employ different defensive men on LBJ and Wade, I just haven't seen SA run a zone defense. And it's pretty rare that any team does it. It requires the right personnel and you can only do it in spurts. I was just eluding to the fact that not a lot of teams have a zone defense to employ that really helped Dallas in those close situations last year.

I think the Spurs can win without a zone, but Dallas' "blueprint" used one.

1987_Lakers
05-30-2012, 12:58 PM
:oldlol: @ This clown. Your agenda is obvious.

wtf are you talking about?

pauk
05-30-2012, 01:00 PM
Eh.... yes?

Sakkreth
05-30-2012, 01:08 PM
They would take down OKC with not too much problem, in 6 probably.

San Antonio is harder though, I'd give a slight edge to Spurs in this one, but either team can win. Amazing finals are ahead of us.