Knicks Trying to Send Amare to Warriors

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Via Chris Broussard

W's dont seem to be too interested.

Discuss

[jbryan1984]

For who? David Lee again?

[MJ(Mean John)]

Hopefully for curry

[blacknapalm]

without knowing what the deal may be, it doesn't make sense for GS. they'd covet chandler much more. they need a true C and one that plays defense at that. at the same time, bogut is supposed to fill that role, so this would be a strange move considering either lee or amare would have to come off the bench

oh wait, chris brossard, you say?

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[MJ(Mean John)]

without knowing what the deal may be, it doesn't make sense for GS. they'd covet chandler much more. they need a true C and one that plays defense at that. at the same time, bogut is supposed to fill that role, so this would be a strange move considering either lee or amare would have to come off the bench


have lee off the bench and stat start. 100 million dollar man will be great in a run and gun offense. Plus GSW needs star power

[blacknapalm]

have lee off the bench and stat start. 100 million dollar man will be great in a run and gun offense. Plus GSW needs star power

lee is making around $13.5 million a year. i don't see GS bringing in another albatross of a contract. amare and lee will handicap that team's salary cap for years and neither are good defenders. GS needs defense, not scoring

[Rowe]

Who is Golden State supposed to be sending back?

I'd much rather have Amare than Richard Jefferson & Andris Biedrins.

Wait, this shouldn't even be a debate.

As much as Amare disappointed me this season, I still wouldn't trade him for David Lee at this point. I was never a huge fan of David Lee's offensive game when he was here and the spacing between him & Melo would be even worse.

[Rowe]

have lee off the bench and stat start. 100 million dollar man will be great in a run and gun offense. Plus GSW needs star power

No, they don't. They need to make the Playoffs.

Golden State is putting all of their eggs in 1 basket in hoping that Curry/Thompson as a duo is what turns them into a Playoff team.

If not, then that Monta/Bogut deal and Jefferson/Jackson deal looks absolutely terrible on their end. Bogut is so injury prone at this point you can only hope he makes it to 50 games, and Jefferson & Biedrins are 2 of the worst contracts for value in the NBA.

[franchise#3]

So whatever happened to Andris? He seemed promising as a defensive center.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Who is Golden State supposed to be sending back?

I'd much rather have Amare than Richard Jefferson & Andris Biedrins.

Wait, this shouldn't even be a debate.

As much as Amare disappointed me this season, I still wouldn't trade him for David Lee at this point. I was never a huge fan of David Lee's offensive game when he was here and the spacing between him & Melo would be even worse.
Knicks could be going for the most value possible if they see him as only declining and a bad fit with Anthony.

[blablabla]

david lee and...

[GOBB]

Hopefully for curry

What makes you think GSW would trade Curry for Amare? The idea doesnt make an ounce of sense. Why say it? Why hope on something you know using common sense would never happen? GSW traded Mnta Ellis before they even considered dealing Curry. Somehow they will take on Amare tho? Come on man, think before you post.

[bagelred]

Link or it never happened

[bluechox2]

@alanhahn Broussard just said the Knicks offered Amare 2 Golden State but GS didnt want 2 hear it.”

[hawkfan]

The Magic asked for Stoudemire and Chandler for Howard.

Let's see if that trade talk heats up again.

[Batchoy]

How about this...

Knicks re-sign Lin then trade him along with Amare to Goldenstate for Lee, Biedrins, and Curry. Lin started with Goldenstate and management loves him. Amare and Carmelo cannot co-exist, so this may be the best trade for them. Even if Amare isn't fully healthy, with the upcoming draft, Goldenstate can get a very good player with the 7th pick.


Knicks lineup:
Steph Curry/Baron Davis
Iman Shumpert/JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony/JR Smith
David Lee/Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler/Biedrins


Goldenstae lineup:
Jeremy Lin/Charlie Jenkins
Klay Thompson/Brandon Rush
Richard Jefferson/Dorell Wright
Amare Stoudamire/1st round pick
Andrew Bogut/Mickell Gladness

[tontoz]

Amare's contract isn't insured which makes it tough to trade him.

[Xiao Yao You]

Goldenstate can get a very good player with the 7th pick.


Let's see how the ping pong balls bounce next week first.

[jbryan1984]

I really think New York is jumping the gun here with Amar'e. lol, this was seriously like his only bad season ever. He had a bad year with injuries, family problems and stupid mistakes. The year before, he was a serious MVP candidate. Give him a chance to clean it up.

[bagelred]

I really think New York is jumping the gun here with Amar'e. lol, this was seriously like his only bad season ever. He had a bad year with injuries, family problems and stupid mistakes. The year before, he was a serious MVP candidate. Give him a chance to clean it up.

It's not even about Amare's productivity, it's that Amare/Melo is a bad pairing. That's really what it stems from, plus payroll wise gives Knicks more flexibility to round out roster.

[Sarcastic]

It's not even about Amare's productivity, it's that Amare/Melo is a bad pairing. That's really what it stems from, plus payroll wise gives Knicks more flexibility to round out roster.

Amar'e and Melo have never even had a training camp together, and have played fewer than 82 games together, while mostly with a coach that ran a PG centric offense. They need to be given a REAL chance to play together before blowing it up.

Amar'e has also played with 7 different PGs in the last 2 seasons. How many big men are going to be successful in that scenario?

[bagelred]

Amar'e and Melo have never even had a training camp together, and have played fewer than 82 games together, while mostly with a coach that ran a PG centric offense. They need to be given a REAL chance to play together before blowing it up.


It's been A YEAR AND A HALF. How often are we going to come up with excuses? It's just a flawed pairing. Yes, maybe they can play A LITTLE better together, but its never going to be that great. It's a mismatch.

[Rameek]

Of course the Knicks should look to move Amare IMHO...

*Get rid of the salary

*Uninsured Contract

*Scared of his injuries

[miles berg]

If Orlando wants to do Amare/Chandler for Dwight then NY needs to jump all over that.

All over it.

[Sarcastic]

It's been A YEAR AND A HALF. How often are we going to come up with excuses? It's just a flawed pairing. Yes, maybe they can play A LITTLE better together, but its never going to be that great. It's a mismatch.

It was ~20 games last year, and a strike shortened 66 game season this year, in which BOTH of them missed time due to injury. But yea, ok. A YEAR AND A HALF. :rolleyes:

A year and a half should constitute 123 games (82 +41), correct? I don't think they have over 70 games played together, and have not had a real training camp together.

[highwhey]

The Magic asked for Stoudemire and Chandler for Howard.

Let's see if that trade talk heats up again.
fair trade lol

amare+chandler=dwight with better offense

[highwhey]

It's not even about Amare's productivity, it's that Amare/Melo is a bad pairing. That's really what it stems from, plus payroll wise gives Knicks more flexibility to round out roster.
because melo doesn't pass.

how many touches did amar'e recieve once melo was on the roster?

amar'e was beasting before melo tagged along.

[Godzuki]

No, they don't. They need to make the Playoffs.

Golden State is putting all of their eggs in 1 basket in hoping that Curry/Thompson as a duo is what turns them into a Playoff team.

If not, then that Monta/Bogut deal and Jefferson/Jackson deal looks absolutely terrible on their end. Bogut is so injury prone at this point you can only hope he makes it to 50 games, and Jefferson & Biedrins are 2 of the worst contracts for value in the NBA.


why? Lee does a lot more off the ball, and he's more consistent from mid range. Amare is so up and down its ridiculous, and mostly down this last season. Lee imo would be a better fit with Melo than Amare is...

[Godzuki]

Amar'e and Melo have never even had a training camp together, and have played fewer than 82 games together, while mostly with a coach that ran a PG centric offense. They need to be given a REAL chance to play together before blowing it up.

Amar'e has also played with 7 different PGs in the last 2 seasons. How many big men are going to be successful in that scenario?


but Amare's game isn't affected by those excuses that much. he's mostly a iso mid range, or first step to the basket player, and thats all he really is. he's not a great rebounder, doesn't really bang inside at all, doesn't really play well off the ball which is a huge negative with him, on top of his defense. he's an extremely streaky player and most of his early career freak athleticism is gone. he's probably one of the more overrated big names in the league.

[Sarcastic]

but Amare's game isn't affected by those excuses that much. he's mostly a iso mid range, or first step to the basket player, and thats all he really is. he's not a great rebounder, doesn't really bang inside at all, doesn't really play well off the ball which is a huge negative with him, on top of his defense. he's an extremely streaky player and most of his early career freak athleticism is gone. he's probably one of the more overrated big names in the league.

What? He's made his whole career by playing pick n roll basketball with point guards. Now you think he doesn't need one? :wtf:

[tpols]

What? He's made his whole career by playing pick n roll basketball with point guards. Now you think he doesn't need one? :wtf:
The issue is him and Melo. Unless you guys got somebody like Nash who could run a great PnR with Amare and control the offense, hes never going to fit with Melo. It's very simple. Amare knows two plays.. Isos and PnR. Melo cannot run a PnR so he cant really play off Amare and vice versa. I hope you guys waste another year with these two together.

[Sarcastic]

The issue is him and Melo. Unless you guys got somebody like Nash who could run a great PnR with Amare and control the offense, hes never going to fit with Melo. It's very simple. Amare knows two plays.. Isos and PnR. Melo cannot run a PnR so he cant really play off Amare and vice versa. I hope you guys waste another year with these two together.

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[Godzuki]

What? He's made his whole career by playing pick n roll basketball with point guards. Now you think he doesn't need one? :wtf:


i just don't see his picknroll as much different or greater than picknroll with Chandler or even Melo, assuming Lin is feeding them. if they get it open with the lane they're all capable of finishing it. Amare also tends to have butterfingers on his lane cuts or just not finishing when he should sometimes but maybe i'm being too harsh on that, i can just remember some moments of him missing dunks or gimmes. granted he does have the mid range pull up if he doesn't roll or defender leaves him space, but its so streaky its hard to even say he's even good at the mid range.

i mean Amare has had his moments, but the inconsistencies and bonehead things he's done has to kill you as Knick fans, where for that price tag you'd expect a LOT more.

[tpols]

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Good luck lol.. no offense but Amare isnt the sharpest tool in the shed. We've seen it a million times. Dwight's been working with Hakeem. Lebron's been working with Hakeem. etc. Players dont really go much further than what they've already shown you especially when they're already 30 years old.

To be good in the low post you just have to have that intuitive feeling.. you have to be able to feel the defense behind you and twist/pivot your way around them with a lot of subtle moves. You have to be able to pick up the awareness necessary to feel the double and pass out. It's really hard.. which is why you dont see these guys who 'worked with Hakeem' come back any better than they were before.

Amare is very choppy. He jabs one way and goes the other.. or he just goes from the start. He's very point blank and aggressive. He's doesnt have that natural finesse at all. I dont see that working.

[Godzuki]

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he's too soft imo to be that threat. doesn't have the body either to really take the banging. him constantly standing out at mid range and rarely down low has to account for something, even if Woodson thinks he can change his game.

on a side note Nash said he's not coming to the Knicks...

[Horde of Temujin]

Knicks will have to package chandler or lin with amare if they ever hope to drop his contract.

[highwhey]

he's too soft imo to be that threat. doesn't have the body either to really take the banging. him constantly standing out at mid range and rarely down low has to account for something, even if Woodson thinks he can change his game.

on a side note Nash said he's not coming to the Knicks...

too soft? lol what? he's agressive when he takes it to the rim...you're talking about a guy who initiates contact everytime he gets the ball. how do you think he gets to the line so often? at one point, i'd consider him the best finisher in the nba because he would get and1's on the regular, people would foul him and he would still finish. he would do it as good as kobe or lebron, if not better.

can't believe you're calling ama're soft when he's made a living posterizing all types of players.

[MeLO MvP 15]

I bet you that we wanted David Lee straight up.

Although I wouldn't be surprised to know if GSW would only do Jefferson and Biedrins.... barf

[bdreason]

We don't want Amare, and our new owners aren't that dumb.

[Whoah10115]

Melo and Amare is a stupid pairing and it always was. The second I heard about it I said it. You will never win a title with those two at the head. Someone else has to be the leader.



Lee brings rebounding, and I think he's a smarter player than Amare. But I don't know.



Personally, I'd trade them both. But that's me.

[Godzuki]

too soft? lol what? he's agressive when he takes it to the rim...you're talking about a guy who initiates contact everytime he gets the ball. how do you think he gets to the line so often? at one point, i'd consider him the best finisher in the nba because he would get and1's on the regular, people would foul him and he would still finish. he would do it as good as kobe or lebron, if not better.

can't believe you're calling ama're soft when he's made a living posterizing all types of players.


he is soft. Amare definitely isn't a normal inside guy. opposing bigs constantly get offensive boards when he's on them because he's not always body'ing them out, and the boards he generally gets are stuff that is in his vicinity, that he makes look more aggressive since he pounds the ball when he gets them. i mean he can be aggressive driving to the bucket, but in general i would definitely call Amare soft. i just don't think he likes the body contact much on the inside.

[Scoooter]

Amar'e knows two plays, and Melo knows one. None of the three involve passingthe ball to one another.

They either need to be split up, or to fall in line under a great point guard.

I'd like Nash or Dragic.

[Soundwave]

Honestly the Knicks should go for it.

Chandler + Amare
for
Dwight + Hedo

You're not going to win anything with the core that's there now IMO.

The last time the Knicks had a truly dominant big was Ewing.

[ALBballer]

How about this...

Knicks re-sign Lin then trade him along with Amare to Goldenstate for Lee, Biedrins, and Curry. Lin started with Goldenstate and management loves him. Amare and Carmelo cannot co-exist, so this may be the best trade for them. Even if Amare isn't fully healthy, with the upcoming draft, Goldenstate can get a very good player with the 7th pick.


Knicks lineup:
Steph Curry/Baron Davis
Iman Shumpert/JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony/JR Smith
David Lee/Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler/Biedrins


Goldenstae lineup:
Jeremy Lin/Charlie Jenkins
Klay Thompson/Brandon Rush
Richard Jefferson/Dorell Wright
Amare Stoudamire/1st round pick
Andrew Bogut/Mickell Gladness

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssss

[Knicksfever2010]

Via Chris Broussard

W's dont seem to be too interested.

Discuss

I just cant wait till the next wave of big name free agency and broussard will go with "he has no interest in coming to ny"

[BlackVVaves]

How about this...

Knicks re-sign Lin then trade him along with Amare to Goldenstate for Lee, Biedrins, and Curry. Lin started with Goldenstate and management loves him. Amare and Carmelo cannot co-exist, so this may be the best trade for them. Even if Amare isn't fully healthy, with the upcoming draft, Goldenstate can get a very good player with the 7th pick.


Knicks lineup:
Steph Curry/Baron Davis
Iman Shumpert/JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony/JR Smith
David Lee/Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler/Biedrins


Goldenstae lineup:
Jeremy Lin/Charlie Jenkins
Klay Thompson/Brandon Rush
Richard Jefferson/Dorell Wright
Amare Stoudamire/1st round pick
Andrew Bogut/Mickell Gladness

Your NBA trade proposals have hereby been revoked.

[El Kabong]

So whatever happened to Andris? He seemed promising as a defensive center.
Mentally weak and his confidence is shot.

[talkingconch]

The Magic asked for Stoudemire and Chandler for Howard.

Let's see if that trade talk heats up again.

LMAO, and why the **** wouldn't the knicks do this?

[DStebb716]

How about this...

Knicks re-sign Lin then trade him along with Amare to Goldenstate for Lee, Biedrins, and Curry. Lin started with Goldenstate and management loves him. Amare and Carmelo cannot co-exist, so this may be the best trade for them. Even if Amare isn't fully healthy, with the upcoming draft, Goldenstate can get a very good player with the 7th pick.


Knicks lineup:
Steph Curry/Baron Davis
Iman Shumpert/JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony/JR Smith
David Lee/Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler/Biedrins


Goldenstae lineup:
Jeremy Lin/Charlie Jenkins
Klay Thompson/Brandon Rush
Richard Jefferson/Dorell Wright
Amare Stoudamire/1st round pick
Andrew Bogut/Mickell Gladness

How about this: Baron Davis' career is over. He is out for ALL OF NEXT YEAR, and off the Knicks books. Nobody is going to bring him on after next year.
Steph Curry is HORRIBLY injury prone. So who plays the PG position then? Good job.

That rotation is worse than the one the Knicks currently have. By far.

[Cali Syndicate]

How about this...

Knicks re-sign Lin then trade him along with Amare to Goldenstate for Lee, Biedrins, and Curry. Lin started with Goldenstate and management loves him. Amare and Carmelo cannot co-exist, so this may be the best trade for them. Even if Amare isn't fully healthy, with the upcoming draft, Goldenstate can get a very good player with the 7th pick.

Lin wasn't even drafted, and management loves him? Hardly. I like Lin and hated how Warriors hardly ever played him but way i see it, Lin was brought in to generate a new fan base with the large Asian community in the bay area. If management loved him or even had faith in him, they would have resigned him.

Curry is considered a cornerstone in the Warriors future. The only way they were even considering letting him go was for either Dwight or CP3 but for Amare? Yeah right....

[Rowe]

LMAO, and why the **** wouldn't the knicks do this?
I wouldn't do that deal unless Dwight agreed to an extension.

- If Dwight leaves us in the summer, we'll be under the cap but not far enough to be able to go after any other good Free Agents. That pretty much books Melo's ticket out of town because he's not sticking around without other impact players around him.

- Who wants Hedo Turkoglu & his contract on a "defensive-minded" team? For all that Amare gets criticized for his poor season at the very least you know he's a far superior player to an aging Turkoglu and is at least capable of playing like an All Star at times.

[MJ(Mean John)]

What makes you think GSW would trade Curry for Amare? The idea doesnt make an ounce of sense. Why say it? Why hope on something you know using common sense would never happen? GSW traded Mnta Ellis before they even considered dealing Curry. Somehow they will take on Amare tho? Come on man, think before you post.


Hey asshole.

I wasn't serious. :coleman:

[blablabla]

LMAO, and why the **** wouldn't the knicks do this?
because we'd have to take on turkos contract

[SacJB Shady]

I'll be happy if the warriors had amare from last year, but now his body is a wreck for whatever reason. The warriors are already going to have one of the better front courts in the whole league, so why the heck would they want amare?

[Rowe]

I'll be happy if the warriors had amare from last year, but now his body is a wreck for whatever reason. The warriors are already going to have one of the better front courts in the whole league, so why the heck would they want amare?

How is his body a wreck?

His knees are a concern, but they haven't been a problem so far.

He picked up a back injury towards the end, but he was in great shape throughout most of last season and was even slimming down back to 240-245lbs so that he could play with more explosiveness.

[SacJB Shady]

How is his body a wreck?

His knees are a concern, but they haven't been a problem so far.

He picked up a back injury towards the end, but he was in great shape throughout most of last season and was even slimming down back to 240-245lbs so that he could play with more explosiveness.


I just dont trust him no more. why dont you guys just be happy with him?

[Rowe]

I just dont trust him no more. why dont you guys just be happy with him?

Because we're New Yorkers and we're never happy.

[SacJB Shady]

So whatever happened to Andris? He seemed promising as a defensive center.


lol

[Whoah10115]

Because we're New Yorkers and we're never happy.




:applause:

[ihatetimthomas]

Good luck trying to trade one of the worst contracts in basketball, if not the worst. And good luck actually improving the team without taking on horrible deals and giving up Lin. Amare is not moving for Curry and Lee. That is too good a deal for the Knicks.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Good luck trying to trade one of the worst contracts in basketball, if not the worst. And good luck actually improving the team without taking on horrible deals and giving up Lin. Amare is not moving for Curry and Lee. That is too good a deal for the Knicks.

Yeah right. Id never trade Amare for D Lee. That trade benefits the Warriors for the most part

[novocaine]

Yeah right. Id never trade Amare for D Lee. That trade benefits the Warriors for the most part


you serious ? :biggums: david lee

[schism206]

How about this...

Knicks re-sign Lin then trade him along with Amare to Goldenstate for Lee, Biedrins, and Curry. Lin started with Goldenstate and management loves him. Amare and Carmelo cannot co-exist, so this may be the best trade for them. Even if Amare isn't fully healthy, with the upcoming draft, Goldenstate can get a very good player with the 7th pick.


Knicks lineup:
Steph Curry/Baron Davis
Iman Shumpert/JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony/JR Smith
David Lee/Jared Jeffries
Tyson Chandler/Biedrins


Goldenstae lineup:
Jeremy Lin/Charlie Jenkins
Klay Thompson/Brandon Rush
Richard Jefferson/Dorell Wright
Amare Stoudamire/1st round pick
Andrew Bogut/Mickell Gladness

Does that mean gets twice as many shots?

[iDunk]

[QUOTE=novocaine]you serious ? :biggums: david lee

[Story Up]

Curry, Thompson, possibly Barnes(1st round lottery), Lee and Bogut.
Why the hell do they need Amare?

Chandler, Scola, Anthony, Martin, Lin could work if Houston wants a big. Amare for Scola & Martin. NY's bench becomes stronger too.

Plus Scola is probably a better fit with his arsenal of post moves plus jumper and Martin is a nice perimeter scorer who gets to the line. If Lin keeps producing, this starting five becomes very lethal with JR, Jeffries, Shumpert, Davis off the bench. Maybe sign Lamar Odom his wife's family do business there and own homes there.

[hawkfan]

Amare Stoudemire has 3 years left on his deal, with his contract being uninsured. And he has a history of injuries, and this year had to sit out for a while due to injuries.
So it is a big risk for any team to take on.

It is going to be real hard for the Knicks to get equal or near equal value in return, since he could get injured and then his new team would be on the hook for a lot of money.

[longtime lurker]

Here's the problem with Amare he's at his best playing center. Which leads to problem number 2 any team with Amare at center is going nowhere. The bigger problem is Knicks management they're always shuffling the rosters every year instead of letting their core develop chemistry

[hawkfan]

Here's the problem with Amare he's at his best playing center. Which leads to problem number 2 any team with Amare at center is going nowhere. The bigger problem is Knicks management they're always shuffling the rosters every year instead of letting their core develop chemistry

Send him to Toronto for Calderon and picks.

Toronto doesn't concern itself with winning a championship anyway, but Stoudemire and Bargnani actually could get that team to be a playoff contender.

[longtime lurker]

Send him to Toronto for Calderon and picks.

Toronto doesn't concern itself with winning a championship anyway, but Stoudemire and Bargnani actually could get that team to be a playoff contender.

All that ensures is that Melo will be asking out of New York by the end of next season. Knicks need to realize that there aren't any instant championships and let this team grow unless Amare is moved for a clear upgrade.