Kobe scored 8 points in a Finals game too

[iDefend5]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

lol at Kobe fans always bringing that up when are trying to bring down LeBron.

What makes things worse is that Kobe was actually trying to score in that game.

[tpols]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

lol at Kobe fans always bringing that up when are trying to bring down LeBron.

What makes things worse is that Kobe was actually trying to score in that game.
That actually makes it better.:oldlol:

Young player chasing greatness trying his hardest to succeed on his first big stage versus veteran player fearing greatness and wilting under pressure to the point of not trying.

You miss every shot you dont take.
-MJ

[bwink23]

That actually makes it better.:oldlol:

Young player chasing greatness trying his hardest to succeed on his first big stage versus veteran player fearing greatness and wilting under pressure to the point of not trying.

You miss every shot you dont take.
-MJ


You can say the same about Austin Croshere, who outscored Kobe for the series and shot way better than him too...:lol :lol

[Quickening]

Kobe also hit 6 for 24 in game 7 of finals, in his prime....:lol

[tpols]

You can say the same about Austin Croshere, who outscored Kobe for the series and shot way better than him too...:lol :lol
Austin was a great player. One of my all time favs.:confusedshrug:

[bwink23]

Kobe also hit 6 for 24 in game 7 of finals, in his prime....:lol


But, but...he wasn't afraid of taking the shot....:confusedshrug:


Maybe he should have been.

[bwink23]

In before kobe's ankle sprain hindered his performance.

:coleman:

[Heavincent]

Kobe also hit 6 for 24 in game 7 of finals, in his prime....:lol

And won the game/series along with FMVP.

OP is a bipolar lunatic with over 40 accounts on ISH anyway. Nobody takes him remotely seriously.

[Heavincent]

And by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

[pauk]

That actually makes it better.:oldlol:

Young player chasing greatness trying his hardest to succeed on his first big stage versus veteran player fearing greatness and wilting under pressure to the point of not trying.

You miss every shot you dont take.
-MJ

No it doesnt... when you shoot bad you should not force shots, you should let the scoring come naturally in the flow of the offense, you should instead focus more on facilitating, rebounding, defending..... Lebron led everybody in assists and rebounds (tied with Chandler) the last Finals...

Lebron was actually not playing bad, he shot 48% FG, he was just deferring to Wade to much (who was hot)... he was way to unselfish and when the time came for them to hit clutch shots they couldnt, wade couldnt, so Lebron then tried but now he had no offensive rythm from all the deferring... lesson learned, wont happen ever again... especially now when Wade has officially taken a backseat...

[pauk]

Kobe averaged 15 PPG in that Finals on many more shots than Lebron, with less rebounds, assists and less efficiency/accuracy......... despite that, the Lakers won the championship... its not like he hit some clutch shot/gamewinner........... which once again brings us back to my old point, a championship is a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT....

[Deuce Bigalow]

He wasn't in his prime and was injured. He played in 6 other Finals series in his prime and averaged 27 PPG in those Finals series, 29 PPG post Shaq.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe averaged 15 PPG in that Finals...
Age: 21
Game 2: 9 minutes, left game because of ankle injury
Game 3: DNP because of ankle injury

[Mr. Jabbar]

That actually makes it better.:oldlol:

Young player chasing greatness trying his hardest to succeed on his first big stage versus veteran player fearing greatness and wilting under pressure to the point of not trying.

You miss every shot you dont take.
-MJ


PRETTY MUCH. :applause: kobe haters are sore losers with not a clue on how a winner mentality works. They are lebron fanbois after all, what else could you expect...:facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe averaged 15 PPG in that Finals on many more shots than Lebron, with less rebounds, assists and less efficiency/accuracy......... despite that, the Lakers won the championship... its not like he hit some clutch shot/gamewinner........... which once again brings us back to my old point, a championship is a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT....
:facepalm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

[oolalaa]

No it doesnt... when you shoot bad you should not force shots, you should let the scoring come naturally in the flow of the offense, you should instead focus more on facilitating, rebounding, defending..... Lebron led everybody in assists and rebounds (tied with Chandler) the last Finals...

Lebron was actually not playing bad, he shot 48% FG, he was just deferring to Wade to much (who was hot)... he was way to unselfish and when the time came for them to hit clutch shots they couldnt, wade couldnt, so Lebron then tried but now he had no offensive rythm from all the deferring... lesson learned, wont happen ever again... especially now when Wade has officially taken a backseat...

:roll:

DE

LUDE

ED

[Heavincent]

its not like he hit some clutch shot/gamewinner..

Wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

[RRR3]

LOL RG. Us LeBron fans already figured him out and ignore him these days :pimp: .
So now he moved on to trolling Kobe fans.

[swi7ch]

When ppl compare Kobe and LBJ, I always ask this: what has Kobe done without Shaq or Pau? Answer: NOTHING as he never even got past the first round!

Yes, LBJ didn't win a title with the Cavs but the point is this---at least he managed to carry a worthless team all the way to the Finals (unlike Kobe who, again, can't even get past the first round! First round!!!)

[Alamo]

This would be a better argument if Kobe didn't have 5 rings.

[Deuce Bigalow]

When ppl compare Kobe and LBJ, I always ask this: what has Kobe done without Shaq or Pau? Answer: NOTHING as he never even got past the first round!

Yes, LBJ didn't win a title with the Cavs but the point is this---at least he managed to carry a worthless team all the way to the Finals (unlike Kobe who, again, can't even get past the first round! First round!!!)
:oldlol: You act like Pau is a superstar or an all-time great

BTW you want to know what Jordan has done without Pippen?

0 playoff series wins
0 2nd round appearances
0 conference finals appearances
0 finals appearances
0 championships
0 winning seasons

[Yao Ming's Foot]

When ppl compare Kobe and LBJ, I always ask this: what has Kobe done without Shaq or Pau? Answer: NOTHING as he never even got past the first round!

Yes, LBJ didn't win a title with the Cavs but the point is this---at least he managed to carry a worthless team all the way to the Finals (unlike Kobe who, again, can't even get past the first round! First round!!!)

Two gold medals

[Vienceslav]

Wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI
We can probably turn off the lights and leave this thread.

[General]

When ppl compare Kobe and LBJ, I always ask this: what has Kobe done without Shaq or Pau? Answer: NOTHING as he never even got past the first round!

Yes, LBJ didn't win a title with the Cavs but the point is this---at least he managed to carry a worthless team all the way to the Finals (unlike Kobe who, again, can't even get past the first round! First round!!!)
If Lebron was in the Western Conference he would be a second round virgin like Tracy McGrady.

[I<3NBA]

If Lebron was in the Western Conference he would be a second round virgin like Tracy McGrady.
that depends on which team he was on.

[White Mamba]

who cares if he suck on game 5 after he won game 4 for the lakers?

:oldlol:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

that depends on which team he was on.

he's on the Cavs they are just in the Western Conference

How many of Lebron's Cavs playoff series victories have been against teams that would have made the playoffs in the Western Conference?

1?

[Cali Syndicate]

So it's come down to comparing a 21yo Kobe to a Lebron in his prime? Wow.

Also didn't Lebron have some hyped up pre-game speech about how their backs are against the wall and everyone needs to come hard, only to see him finish with 8 points? Wow.





















































































































Wow.

[LakersReign]

When ppl compare Kobe and LBJ, I always ask this: what has Kobe done without Shaq or Pau? Answer: NOTHING as he never even got past the first round!

Yes, LBJ didn't win a title with the Cavs but the point is this---at least he managed to carry a worthless team all the way to the Finals (unlike Kobe who, again, can't even get past the first round! First round!!!)

Love it how Lebronytes keep trying to use that one forgetting that Lebron is playing on the heat now with Wade and Bosh. Which begs the question, if and when the heat do win, what did Lebron do without Wade and Bosh?


Try again:no:

[Jimmy2k8]

When ppl compare Kobe and LBJ, I always ask this: what has Kobe done without Shaq or Pau? Answer: NOTHING as he never even got past the first round!

Yes, LBJ didn't win a title with the Cavs but the point is this---at least he managed to carry a worthless team all the way to the Finals (unlike Kobe who, again, can't even get past the first round! First round!!!)
First it was he can't without Shaq, now its he can't win without Gasol or Shaq.
I guess that means it's be logical to say that Jordan wouldn't win squat without Pippen, Rodman, Grant, and I am sure I am missing someone else.
You can also say the same for Magic and Larsen. What did they do without each other?
and may I remind you that.Kobe's teams during the first three seasons of Post Shaq were terrible. Come on now, you have to factor that in as well.

[White Mamba]

So it's come down to comparing a 21yo Kobe to a Lebron in his prime? Wow.

Also didn't Lebron have some hyped up pre-game speech about how their backs are against the wall and everyone needs to come hard, only to see him finish with 8 points? Wow.


:applause: :applause: :roll: :roll: :oldlol: :oldlol: :cheers: :cheers:

[G-Funk]

Game 2 the Lakers' Kobe Bryant sprained his ankle in the second quarter



In game 4 the Pacers made a 21-2 run early in the fourth and led by five before Los Angeles closed the gap. The Lakers were ahead by three in the final seconds when Sam Perkins tied the game with a three-pointer just as time ran out. It was 104-104 going into overtime. Shaq fouled out during overtime play and had to sit down, but Kobe Bryant scored eight points and put the Lakers ahead 120-118 with 5.9 seconds left.


In game 5 the Lakers opened the fourth with a 15-6 run and pushed ahead 94-90. The Pacers tied the score at 103 with 5:04 remaining. But Kobe Bryant took charge of the LA offense in the final minutes and the Lakers won 116-111.

Doesn't sound like a Lebron type of performance does it?

[White Mamba]

Game 2 the Lakers' Kobe Bryant sprained his ankle in the second quarter



In game 4 the Pacers made a 21-2 run early in the fourth and led by five before Los Angeles closed the gap. The Lakers were ahead by three in the final seconds when Sam Perkins tied the game with a three-pointer just as time ran out. It was 104-104 going into overtime. Shaq fouled out during overtime play and had to sit down, but Kobe Bryant scored eight points and put the Lakers ahead 120-118 with 5.9 seconds left.


In game 5 the Lakers opened the fourth with a 15-6 run and pushed ahead 94-90. The Pacers tied the score at 103 with 5:04 remaining. But Kobe Bryant took charge of the LA offense in the final minutes and the Lakers won 116-111.

Doesn't sound like a Lebron type of performance does it?

pacers won game 5 lakers won in 6.

[KG215]

Kobe has put up really good all around numbers in the Finals but the one thing I have a hard time ignoring is his FG%. Excluding the 2000 Finals, where he missed one game and almost all of another because of an injury, his career FG% in the NBA Finals is 41.8%. I know he had to play two great defense in 2004 and 2008 but in 7 NBA Finals he's barely shooting above 40%. His best series FG% wise was against the Nets in 2002 when he was 36/70 (51.4%) from the floor. After that, his next best 58/135 (43%) came against Magic in 2009.

And to the OP, he had an 8 point game as a 21 year, so what? The game before that he scored 28 on 14/27 shooting. He hasn't been spectacular in the Finals throughout his career, but he's had plenty of really good to great games, as well.

[I<3NBA]

he's on the Cavs they are just in the Western Conference

How many of Lebron's Cavs playoff series victories have been against teams that would have made the playoffs in the Western Conference?

1?
how many Western teams do you think Pistons could've defeated?

[White Mamba]

Kobe has put up really good all around numbers in the Finals but the one thing I have a hard time ignoring is his FG%. Excluding the 2000 Finals, where he missed one game and almost all of another because of an injury, his career FG% in the NBA Finals is 41.8%. I know he had to play two great defense in 2004 and 2008 but in 7 NBA Finals he's barely shooting above 40%. His best series FG% wise was against the Nets in 2002 when he was 36/70 (51.4%) from the floor. After that, his next best 58/135 (43%) came against Magic in 2009.

And to the OP, he had an 8 point game as a 21 year, so what? The game before that he scored 28 on 14/27 shooting. He hasn't been spectacular in the Finals throughout his career, but he's had plenty of really good to great games, as well.

I think u need to look at the fact than in 2000-2002 the real nba finals were the west finals, everybody knew that the team that win the west win the finals, maybe not in 2000 but 2001-2002 for sure, and kobe put up great numbers in those heavy west series.

than you look at those finals, i put 2000 on the side cuz he was young to be able to shoot high every game.

but than 2001 he put up great defense on AI starting in game 2 with phil making the change, so he spent a lot of energy runing with AI.

2002 easy team good FG%

2004 malone went down which make it so much easier to stop kobe from getting good looks and easy points, great defensive team.

same thing with the boston matchup without bynum.

2009 he really wasn't that bad, 4 out of 5 games he played very smart only 1 off night in game 4.

2010 he got his knee drained 4 times during the finals just to be able to even play and boston played great defense so it was hard.

[White Mamba]

how many Western teams do you think Pistons could've defeated?

u rest his case.

[I<3NBA]

u rest his case.
lol. please look back at that season and see just how many of those West teams Pistons would've defeated.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

how many Western teams do you think Pistons could've defeated?

53-29 good for the 4th seed

so maybe they would get out of the first round :confusedshrug:

Baron Davis was more impressive in leading his team over the Mavs that same year than Lebron James beating a couple of teams without winning records, upsetting a lesser team (than the Mavs) in the Pistons and getting swept in the Finals. Its the most overhyped playoff run in history.

[White Mamba]

lol. please look back at that season and see just how many of those West teams Pistons would've defeated.

who cares? its 1 big series that he won in 7 seasons. thats it.

i have no idea what could've been, but i know what happened when the cavs had HCA all the way and failed, and than failed AND THAN FAILED AGAINNNN:facepalm

AND THAN HE RUN TO WADE:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i.imm.io/qP4K.png

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe has put up really good all around numbers in the Finals but the one thing I have a hard time ignoring is his FG%. Excluding the 2000 Finals, where he missed one game and almost all of another because of an injury, his career FG% in the NBA Finals is 41.8%. I know he had to play two great defense in 2004 and 2008 but in 7 NBA Finals he's barely shooting above 40%. His best series FG% wise was against the Nets in 2002 when he was 36/70 (51.4%) from the floor. After that, his next best 58/135 (43%) came against Magic in 2009.

And to the OP, he had an 8 point game as a 21 year, so what? The game before that he scored 28 on 14/27 shooting. He hasn't been spectacular in the Finals throughout his career, but he's had plenty of really good to great games, as well.

Def Ratings of Finals Opponents

Kobe

04 Pistons 95.4
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
02 Nets 99.5
09 Magic 101.9
00 Pacers 103.6
10 Celtics 103.8

Jordan
96 Sonics 102.1
97 Jazz 104.0
92 Blazers 104.2
91 Lakers 105.0
98 Jazz 105.4
93 Suns 106.7

Lebron
07 Spurs 99.9
11 Mavs 105.0

Wade
06 Mavs 105.0
11 Mavs 105.0

[LakersReign]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

lol at Kobe fans always bringing that up when are trying to bring down LeBron.

What makes things worse is that Kobe was actually trying to score in that game.

Yet another ret**ded Lebronyte making some b.s. comparison to try and make Lebron look good. That's as ret**ded as comparing a cat to a dog, and then saying they're the same cuz both are animals with fur, and 4 legs. Stop reaching:facepalm

[bwink23]

Def Ratings of Finals Opponents

Kobe

04 Pistons 95.4
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
02 Nets 99.5
09 Magic 101.9
00 Pacers 103.6
10 Celtics 103.8

Jordan
96 Sonics 102.1
97 Jazz 104.0
92 Blazers 104.2
91 Lakers 105.0
98 Jazz 105.4
93 Suns 106.7

Lebron
07 Spurs 99.9
11 Mavs 105.0

Wade
06 Mavs 105.0
11 Mavs 105.0




According to defensive ratings:

2003 Washington Wizards >>> 1991 Chicago Bulls at defense.



:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


Smelly Foot at it again.

[G-Funk]

pacers won game 5 lakers won in 6.
typo

[KG215]

I think u need to look at the fact than in 2000-2002 the real nba finals were the west finals, everybody knew that the team that win the west win the finals, maybe not in 2000 but 2001-2002 for sure, and kobe put up great numbers in those heavy west series.
then you look at those finals, i put 2000 on the side cuz he was young to be able to shoot high every game.

but then 2001 he put up great defense on AI starting in game 2 with phil making the change, so he spent a lot of energy runing with AI.

2002 easy team good FG%

2004 malone went down which make it so much easier to stop kobe from getting good looks and easy points, great defensive team.

same thing with the boston matchup without bynum.

2009 he really wasn't that bad, 4 out of 5 games he played very smart only 1 off night in game 4.

2010 he got his knee drained 4 times during the finals just to be able to even play and boston played great defense so it was hard.

Again, I already said he played some great defense in those Finals. It still doesn't take away from how inefficient of a scorer he was. But, like you pointed out, he did other things exceptionally well, especially as a defensive stopper. And I acknowledged the fact that he had some big games, especially in the WCF when, like you said, that was the real NBA Finals.

Kobe, though, when talking about scoring, still didn't shoot much better in the WCF from 200-2004. In those four series (Blazers in '00, Spurs in '01, Kings in '02, and T-Wolves in '04) he shot a combined 43.7%. He was incredible against the Spurs in 2001, though, averaging 33-7-7 on 51% shooting. But, offensively (which is what my other post was talking about) he still struggled shooting the ball.

That's fine, though. He wasn't "the man" on those teams and was more focused on being the defensive stopper than anything. And he still had some big scoring nights on decent shooting percentages. I'm not trying to say he was a total bum or anything.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

According to defensive ratings:

2003 Washington Wizards >>> 1991 Chicago Bulls at defense.



:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


Smelly Foot at it again.

According to Field Goal %

Tyson Chandler >>>> Michael Jordan

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Bwink23 lack of comprehension at it again

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

According to Field Goal %

Tyson Chandler >>>> Michael Jordan

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Bwink23 lack of comprehension at it again

This doesn't even make sense. Two different things entirely. :oldlol:

Per 100 possessions, the Wizards were better defensively than the Bulls?

[bwink23]

According to Field Goal %

Tyson Chandler >>>> Michael Jordan

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Bwink23 lack of comprehension at it again


Smelly Foot with no context, again....:facepalm :facepalm

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Smelly Foot with no context, again....:facepalm :facepalm

Like the context of the league 03 vs 91. The dead ball era of modern basketball vs video game basketball. And you wonder why even the Bulls dont have a good def rating in that era?

:oldlol:

[bwink23]

According to Field Goal %

Tyson Chandler >>>> Michael Jordan

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Bwink23 lack of comprehension at it again


Try to answer this question rationally Athlete's Foot:


Who do you think Kobe would struggle against more offensively...


1991 Bulls....or 2003 Washington Wizards??


:coleman:

[bwink23]

Like the context of the league 03 vs 91. The dead ball era of modern basketball vs video game basketball. And you wonder why even the Bulls dont have a good def rating in that era?

:oldlol:


Why make a black-and-white DIRECT comparison with defensive rating numbers then???:confusedshrug:

Again, shooting yourself in the FOOT, sort of speak. :lol

[Yao Ming's Foot]

This doesn't even make sense. Two different things entirely. :oldlol:

Per 100 possessions, the Wizards were better defensively than the Bulls?

They were more effective at limiting their opponents scoring on a per possession basis in 03 than the Bulls in 91. The same way way Tyson Chandler was more effective at successful at putting the ball in the basket for every shot he attempted vs Jordan. They are simple undebatable facts. There is not a flaw in the field goal percentage "formula" by pointing that out.

[bwink23]

They were more effective at limiting their opponents scoring on a per possession basis in 03 than the Bulls in 91. The same way way Tyson Chandler was more effective at successful at putting the ball in the basket for every shot he attempted vs Jordan. They are simple undebatable facts. There is not a flaw in the field goal percentage "formula" by pointing that out.


Only because the offense of the early 2000's SUCKED compared to that of the early 90's....:facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

They were more effective at limiting their opponents scoring on a per possession basis in 03 than the Bulls in 91.

Holy shit. :oldlol: 40 year old Jordan was a better defensive player than he was in his prime. Who woulda thunk it? LOL!!!

[bwink23]

They were more effective at limiting their opponents scoring on a per possession basis in 03 than the Bulls in 91. The same way way Tyson Chandler was more effective at successful at putting the ball in the basket for every shot he attempted vs Jordan. They are simple undebatable facts. There is not a flaw in the field goal percentage "formula" by pointing that out.


There is nothing FACTUAL about defensive ratings.....:no:

defense is practically IMMEASURABLE.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Try to answer this question rationally Athlete's Foot:


Who do you think Kobe would struggle against more offensively...


1991 Bulls....or 2003 Washington Wizards??


:coleman:

I have no idea. I never watched the 2003 Wizards. What year are the refs from? 03 vs 91? Whats the relevance? Kobe never faced the Wizards in the Finals.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan in '89: 103 drtg

Jordan in '03: 103 drtg

No difference here. Just stating the facts folks. :oldlol:

[bwink23]

Holy shit. :oldlol: 40 year old Jordan was a better defensive player than he was in his prime. Who woulda thunk it? LOL!!!


Who would have thought that old ass Jordan, Jerry Stackhouse, Tyronne Lou and Popeye Jones were a better defensive core than Prime Jordan, All-star Pippen, Grant and Armstrong....:lol :lol

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Holy shit. :oldlol: 40 year old Jordan was a better defensive player than he was in his prime. Who woulda thunk it? LOL!!!

:biggums:

[bwink23]

Jordan in '89: 103 drtg

Jordan in '03: 103 drtg

No difference here. Just stating the facts folks. :oldlol:


OH SNAP!!!

Why didn't 2003 Jordan win Defensive Player of the Year then??

:lol :lol :lol

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Why make a black-and-white DIRECT comparison with defensive rating numbers then???:confusedshrug:

Again, shooting yourself in the FOOT, sort of speak. :lol

Because people have no problem making a direct comparison of offensive numbers.

:facepalm

Keep the inflated offensive stats, ignore the defensive stats. Its the Jordan fanboys mantra.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Who would have thought that old ass Jordan, Jerry Stackhouse, Tyronne Lou and Popeye Jones were a better defensive core than Prime Jordan, All-star Pippen, Grant and Armstrong....:lol :lol


:roll: :applause:

[bwink23]

Because people have no problem making a direct comparison of offensive numbers.

:facepalm

Keep the inflated offensive stats, ignore the defensive stats. Its the Jordan fanboys mantra.


There is nothing inflated about field shooting Foot.

If i shoot 20 shots a game and you shoot 20, what does it matter?

[pauk]

Its not unusual for that to happen... especially if that superstar is unselfish / aint a shotjacker and defers to a teammate who happens to be on fire... watch Larry Bird in 1981 Finals for example, two back to back 8 point games, his teammate Cedric Maxwell won the FMVP...

[bwink23]

Because people have no problem making a direct comparison of offensive numbers.

:facepalm

Keep the inflated offensive stats, ignore the defensive stats. Its the Jordan fanboys mantra.


So you got yourself a statistical catch 22 then, right??

You want to sit here and say defenses were worse in the early 90's.

I'll tell you offenses were better.

Who's right?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

There is nothing inflated about field shooting Foot.

If i shoot 20 shots a game and you shoot 20, what does it matter?

It matters if you are being guarded by a bunch of children who for the season allowed their opponents to score 50% of the time while Im being guarded by some giants their opponents score 40% of the time. The fact that you made 10 buckets vs toddlers doesn't make it superior to 9 buckets vs giants even if we attempted the same number of shots.

[bwink23]

It matters if you are being guarded by a bunch of children who for the season allowed their opponents to score 50% of the time while Im being guarded by some giants their opponents score 40% of the time. The fact that you made 10 buckets vs toddlers doesn't make it superior to 9 buckets vs giants even we attempted the same number of shots.


The NBA was at it's tallest in the early 90's.

Children huh?? :lol :lol

And there weren't rules to open up the game for perimeter players...

Check the flopping epidemic in today's game, tell me who's playing like children :lol :lol

Answer Kuniva's response.


1989 Jordan vs. 2003 Wizard Jordan....same defensive rating, were they equally good defensively??

[Yao Ming's Foot]

The NBA was at it's tallest in the early 90's.

Children huh?? :lol :lol

And there weren't rules to open up the game for perimeter players...

Check the flopping epidemic in today's game, tell me who's playing like children :lol :lol

Answer Kuniva's response.


1989 Jordan vs. 2003 Wizard Jordan....same defensive rating, were they equally good defensively??

Forget children. Its about the demonstrated ability of the defense to limit scoring for that season over the course of 82 games. They could be aliens for all I care. Two groups of aliens. The guys you are facing have limited average humans to X scoring on a per possesion basis . The aliens I am facing have limited average humans to Y scoring on a per possession basis. If X is smaller than Y than we could both play equally well but I would have better stats because Y's defense is less effective. Its not very difficult to grasp.

Individual defensive rating vs team defensive rating.

:facepalm

[bwink23]

Individual defensive rating vs team defensive rating.

:facepalm


If it can't hold true for both sides, it's not FACTUAL then is it??

:lol :lol :lol

AGAIN.....Common Sense, look it up Foot.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

If it can't hold true for both sides, it's not FACTUAL then is it??

:lol :lol :lol

AGAIN.....Common Sense, look it up Foot.

:wtf:

[bwink23]

:wtf:


:cry:

[KingBeasley08]

Tall asian dude's foot getting owned here. Nothing to see

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The NBA was at it's tallest in the early 90's.

Children huh?? :lol :lol

And there weren't rules to open up the game for perimeter players...

Yep.

Via NBA.com - Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

Stu Jackson: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots — having more time to shoot — they tend to make more of them.

NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location — at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?

Stu Jackson: It doesn’t. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.

This is Stu Jackson talking here...VP of operations for the NBA.


Answer Kuniva's response.

1989 Jordan vs. 2003 Wizard Jordan....same defensive rating, were they equally good defensively??

Don't individuals make up a team? :hammerhead:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Here's a great article on this.

[quote]League leaders in points:

2008-09 NBA Dwyane Wade 2386
2007-08 NBA Kobe Bryant 2323
2006-07 NBA Kobe Bryant 2430
2005-06 NBA Kobe Bryant 2832
2004-05 NBA Allen Iverson 2302 (rules changes go into full effect)
2003-04 NBA Kevin Garnett 1987

Now let

[bwink23]

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Yep.

Via NBA.com - Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

Stu Jackson: No. [I]The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why did you leave out 2002-03?

1. T-Mac - 32.1 ppg
2. Kobe - 30.0 ppg
3. A.I. - 27.6 ppg
4. Shaq - 27.5 ppg
5. Pierce - 25.9 ppg

[PickernRoller]

Tall asian dude's foot getting owned here. Nothing to see

Two clowns on a Kobe thread that have been owned plenty of times before acting like they are "owning someone" is certainly nothing worth seeing either.

[Deuce Bigalow]

League Average eFG%

'80s: .491
'90s: .488
'00s: .484

League Average PPG

'80s: 109.3
'90s: 101.0
'00s: 96.9

% of Points from the Freethrow line

'80s: 20.3
'90s: 19.8
'00s: 19.5

Before & After Handchecking

1984-1997: 49.1%eFG
2005-present: 49.4%eFG

[bwink23]

Two clowns on a Kobe thread that have been owned plenty of times before is certainly nothing worth seeing.



:rolleyes: ....you don't own ANYONE. All you do is randomly post sarcastic remarks. You're a WORM.

http://thebigredbarniniowa.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/worm.152185552_std.jpg

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why did you leave out 2002-03?

1. T-Mac - 32.1 ppg
2. Kobe - 30.0 ppg
3. A.I. - 27.6 ppg
4. Shaq - 27.5 ppg
5. Pierce - 25.9 ppg

That's not the point, and I didn't 'leave it out' (not my article). The point is, big men were the focal point of their offenses back then.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Two clowns on a Kobe thread that have been owned plenty of times before acting like they are "owning someone" is certainly nothing worth seeing either.

Take your advice and have some "self respect". Be gone, don't reply back. Thank you, moose head.

[PickernRoller]

Too easy to get the best out of clowns....truth hurts I know...

In my pocket...zip.

[bwink23]

Too easy to get the best out of clowns....truth hurts I know...

In my pocket...zip.


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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Too easy to get the best out of clowns....truth hurts I know...

In my pocket...zip.

Post on my command, bitch. :oldlol: