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SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 09:27 AM

What say you?

Odinn

05-30-2012, 09:34 AM

2005-06
2006-07
2007-08

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 09:37 AM

2005-06
2006-07
2007-08

OT, but where do you rank Duncan in those 3 seasons you listed?

Odinn

05-30-2012, 09:39 AM

OT, but where do you rank Duncan in those 3 seasons you listed?
Top 5 in 2005-06.
2nd in 2006-07.
Top 5 in 2007-08.

2007-08 season was the last season Duncan was top 5.

Punpun

05-30-2012, 09:40 AM

Kobe has been the best player in the league for 10 years out of his 16 Season career.

BigTicket

05-30-2012, 09:41 AM

Kobe has been the best player in the league for 10 years out of his 16 Season career.

:biggums:

Kobe is good, but that's just ridiculous.

Punpun

05-30-2012, 09:42 AM

Kobe is good, but that's just ridiculous.

That's not unheard of. What are you on ? :biggums:

francesco totti

05-30-2012, 09:45 AM

2005 - 2006
2006 - 2007
2007 - 2008

then Lebron became the face of the nba the next 4 years

CardiacKemba

05-30-2012, 09:47 AM

Kobe has been the best player in the league for 10 years out of his 16 Season career.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/Jollyblue/KobeNotSureIfSerious.jpg

D-Wade316

05-30-2012, 09:51 AM

2005-2006: Wade, Dirk, Lebron
2006-2007: Duncan, Nash, Lebron
2007-2008: CP3 and Garnett
2008-2009: Lebron and Wade
2009-2010: Lebron and Wade

He never was.

Punpun

05-30-2012, 09:59 AM

Ps : Kobe has been the Best SG for 14-15 years now.

Nero Tulip

05-30-2012, 10:04 AM

Best SG, maybe. But he was never the best player. You guys need to stop underrating Dirk and Nash.

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 10:04 AM

Kobe has been the best player in the league for 10 years out of his 16 Season career.

Can you at least name which seasons?

Calabis

05-30-2012, 10:04 AM

Ps : Kobe has been the Best SG for 14-15 years now.

Thats not what he asked:confusedshrug:

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 10:12 AM

Thats not what he asked:confusedshrug:

It was only a matter of time before the thread got derailed lol. It wouldn't so bad though if he would at least name which seasons he is talking about. Instead he is going to go OT and act like a drooling retard.

Punpun

05-30-2012, 10:15 AM

Mr Know It All

05-30-2012, 10:16 AM

LJJ

05-30-2012, 10:17 AM

2005-06
2006-07
2007-08

Too generous. It's extremely arguable in any of those seasons. One MVP out of those three seasons sounds about right.

Quickening

05-30-2012, 10:19 AM

1 year at best... but I would say he has never been the stand out best player... isn't a good enough all round player.

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 10:19 AM

From the 00-01 season to the 09-10 season. That's Ten seasons. Now, before you raise your eyebrow in a fit of rage, you can be tied at the bes tplayer in the league spot. Which was Kobe's case for a few years. Like the Shaq's time AND Lebron in the 09-10 season.

Yea but you don't think Duncan was better for a few of those seasons? Or were they tied? I have trouble ranking TD in a lot of these seasons. KG was also arguably the best player in the NBA in 2004.

nycelt84

05-30-2012, 10:20 AM

2005-2009 Kobe was the best player in the league each of these years tied with Dirk for #1 in '07.

Calabis

05-30-2012, 10:22 AM

It was only a matter of time before the thread got derailed lol. It wouldn't so bad though if he would at least name which seasons he is talking about. Instead he is going to go OT and act like a drooling retard.

Yup, just wait until they start on some past great, or the other guy still in the playoffs

This is a great question and one that boggles my mind...at times I call Kobe the best player of his generation, then when you ask this question it makes me think what I can say to justify that. Its fact he hasn't been the single best player in the league several times throughout his career...but I guess maintaining Top 3 status year in and year out, including accolades helps that case.

2005-06, 2002-03(played great on both sides of the ball)?

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 10:24 AM

2005-2009 Kobe was the best player in the league each of these years tied with Dirk for #1 in '07.

He definitely has a case for 06. I think Dirk and Duncan were both better in 07. 08 is arguable between him and Lebron imo. I would be willing to give Kobe the edge for his superior postseason though. I think Lebron was better in 09.

triangleoffense

05-30-2012, 10:27 AM

2005-2006: Wade, Dirk, Lebron
2006-2007: Duncan, Nash, Lebron
2007-2008: CP3 and Garnett
2008-2009: Lebron and Wade
2009-2010: Lebron and Wade

He never was.
How can Wade be the best player for those years if he was constantly injured during that time? Wade is way too injury prone to be considered the best player in the league, the closest wade got was probably in 2009 when he led a bunch of role players to the 6th seed or something in the east.

Kobe, unlike Wade, has rarely ever missed any time on the court, and that's even with all of his accumulated injuries that he has built up over the past several seasons. In fact there are several pundits (skip bayless being one of them) that believe that Kobe's ability to play through injuries is one of it not the greatest of all time.

Think about the injuries Kobe had in 09, 10 and 11. The fact that he led his team to two championships with multiple knee and finger issues is a testament to his greatness.

Anyways to answer the original question: Kobe was the best player from 2003 - 2010. Lebron was a close 2nd but the fact that Lebron scored 2 or less points in four straight finals fourth quarters shows how far off Lebron really is.

Kobe also has been on the same team for all these years and didn't have to run away from his problems in cleveland (inability to close, chokes in the playoffs) so he can get his best buddy wade to close for him :facepalm

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 10:28 AM

Yup, just wait until they start on some past great, or the other guy still in the playoffs

This is a great question and one that boggles my mind...at times I call Kobe the best player of his generation, then when you ask this question it makes me think what I can say to justify that. Its fact he hasn't been the single best player in the league several times throughout his career...but I guess maintaining Top 3 status year in and year out, including accolades helps that case.

2005-06, 2002-03(played great on both sides of the ball)?

03 Kobe was filthy. I would go as far as to say he has a case for the 2nd best player in the NBA that season. I give Duncan the edge though. 06 is his best bet imo. Although Wade, Dirk, and Lebron can make a case. Pretty sure Duncan was having foot problems in 06, but not sure. Although, he did have a great postseason.

LJJ

05-30-2012, 10:29 AM

And the next dilemma that becomes clear here is: can you really rank a player in the all time top 10 who can only legitimately claim one, maybe two MVP awards?

The answer is yes you could make an argument, but you would be giving Bryant extremely generous consideration while outright snubbing some other worthy candidates. Bryant of course does have a number of other factors going in his favor, most notably his longevity and his championship success. Because of those factors you might sneak him into your personal top ten, but you would be ranking him ahead of players who were probably better than him as NBA players.

Odinn

05-30-2012, 10:32 AM

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 10:33 AM

How can Wade be the best player for those years if he was constantly injured during that time? Wade is way too injury prone to be considered the best player in the league, the closest wade got was probably in 2009 when he led a bunch of role players to the 6th seed or something in the east.

Kobe, unlike Wade, has rarely ever missed any time on the court, and that's even with all of his accumulated injuries that he has built up over the past several seasons. In fact there are several pundits (skip bayless being one of them) that believe that Kobe's ability to play through injuries is one of it not the greatest of all time.

Think about the injuries Kobe had in 09, 10 and 11. The fact that he led his team to two championships with multiple knee and finger issues is a testament to his greatness.

Anyways to answer the original question: Kobe was the best player from 2003 - 2010. Lebron was a close 2nd but the fact that Lebron scored 2 or less points in four straight finals fourth quarters shows how far off Lebron really is.

Kobe also has been on the same team for all these years and didn't have to run away from his problems in cleveland (inability to close, chokes in the playoffs) so he can get his best buddy wade to close for him :facepalm

Kobe didn't have to leave the Lakers because they were able to get him the help they needed.

D-Wade316

05-30-2012, 10:36 AM

How can Wade be the best player for those years if he was constantly injured during that time? Wade is way too injury prone to be considered the best player in the league, the closest wade got was probably in 2009 when he led a bunch of role players to the 6th seed or something in the east.

Kobe, unlike Wade, has rarely ever missed any time on the court, and that's even with all of his accumulated injuries that he has built up over the past several seasons. In fact there are several pundits (skip bayless being one of them) that believe that Kobe's ability to play through injuries is one of it not the greatest of all time.

Think about the injuries Kobe had in 09, 10 and 11. The fact that he led his team to two championships with multiple knee and finger issues is a testament to his greatness.
Are you fukking kidding me? In the years I listed Wade, he was healthy. He was healthy in '09-'10. He started slow, but really ramped it up early-mid season. And of course, shitting on the Celtics.

arifgokcen

05-30-2012, 10:49 AM

2000
1.Shaq
2.Duncan
3.K. Malone

2001
1.Shaq
2.Duncan
3.Kobe

2002
1.Shaq
2.Duncan
3.Kobe or Garnett

2003
1.Duncan
2.Garnett
3.Shaq

2004
1.Garnett
2.Shaq
3.Duncan

2005
1.Duncan
2.Shaq
3.Nash

2006
1.Kobe
2.Wade
3.Dirk or Duncan or Nash(lebron)

2007
1.Duncan
2.Kobe (acutally Kobe and Duncan interchangable imo. rs: Kobe, po: Duncan)
3.LeBron

2008
1.Kobe
2.Paul
3.LeBron

2009
1.LeBron
2.Wade
3.Kobe

2010
1.LeBron
2.Kobe
3.Wade

2011
1.LeBron
2.Dirk
3.Wade

2012 (until now)
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. CP3 (Kobe has a case to be ranked in top 3 but I think top 5 is more accurate for him.)

If you disagree with this list too much, you have an agenda or you're just too ignorant.

Two points
First lebron from his second season belongs to top 3.His averages his playoff play and amount of points he generates is way too much not include him.
I understand you dont include him in those years because of unsucessful season cavs had however you say kobe #1 in 2006.Which he failed to get past 1st round

However i think lebron in 2008 was right ahead of kobe. That was the first season he really thrived as a defensive player and led the league in 4th quarter points and averaged 30-8-7-2-1.

Besides those two points
I likes this list a lot.

midatlantic09

05-30-2012, 10:54 AM

05-06
06-07
07-08

Nash winning MVP over Kobe in 05-06 is a total joke and was basically a gift from the media to Nash.

Punpun

05-30-2012, 10:56 AM

>Liking this list

Sure, Let's not act like Duncan is EVERYWHERE, while Kobe isn't. And oh god, the author of that list is a known Kobe hater AND a Duncan ******ger.

:oldlol:

LAClipsFan33

05-30-2012, 10:57 AM

Nash winning MVP over Kobe in 05-06 is a total joke.

Lakers won 45 games

:facepalm

midatlantic09

05-30-2012, 10:59 AM

Lakers won 45 games

:facepalm

Doesn't matter. Let's look at Kobe's stats, including PER, win shares, etc. He was clearly the best player in the league and the most valuable player that year.

The award is called the "Most Valuable Player" award, not the "best player on the team with the best record in the NBA" award. Take Kobe off of that 05-06 Lakers team and they would have been like 29-53.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

05-30-2012, 11:00 AM

And the next dilemma that becomes clear here is: can you really rank a player in the all time top 10 who can only legitimately claim one, maybe two MVP awards?

Ever heard of Shaq?

Sakkreth

05-30-2012, 11:00 AM

Never.

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 11:01 AM

05-06
06-07
07-08

Nash winning MVP over Kobe in 05-06 is a total joke and was basically a gift from the media to Nash.

You can't win MVP by leading your team to the 7th seed. His supporting cast was trash, but you need to generate more wins than 45. Smush parker or not.

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 11:02 AM

Doesn't matter. Let's look at Kobe's stats, including PER, win shares, etc. He was clearly the best player in the league and the most valuable player that year.

The award is called the MVP, not the best player on the team with the best record in the NBA award. Take Kobe off of that 05-06 Lakers team and they wouldn't have even been .500.

I don't think you understand the MVP award. The best player in the league doesn't always win it. If that were the case, Shaq would have a shit-load more MVPs and guys like Rose and Nash would have none.

Mr Know It All

05-30-2012, 11:06 AM

Doesn't matter. Let's look at Kobe's stats, including PER, win shares, etc. He was clearly the best player in the league and the most valuable player that year.

The award is called the "Most Valuable Player" award, not the "best player on the team with the best record in the NBA" award. Take Kobe off of that 05-06 Lakers team and they would have been like 30-52.

Umm, Dirk led the league in PER and win shares that year, AND his team won 60 games to the Lakers 45.

Dirk Nowitzki:
PER: 28.1
Win Shares: 17.7
Win Shares Per 48: .275

Kobe Bryant:
PER: 28.0
Win Shares: 15.3
Win Shares per 48 Minutes: .224

Amazing years from both guys though.

DirtySanchez

05-30-2012, 11:10 AM

midatlantic09

05-30-2012, 11:12 AM

I don't think you understand the MVP award. The best player in the league doesn't always win it. If that were the case, Shaq would have a shit-load more MVPs and guys like Rose and Nash would have none.

And I think it should be based on who the best and most valuable player is; not just given to the best player on the team with the best record (or top 2-3 record) in the league.

I decide who the MVP should be by analyzing how much worse a team would be without a particular player regardless of the team's record. Even if a team finished 30-52, if the team would have finished something like 9-73 without a particular player, that player should receive the MVP because they are clearly the most valuable player in the league.

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 11:15 AM

And I think it should be based on who the best and most valuable player is; not just given to the best player on the team with the best record (or top 2-3 record) in the league.

I decide who the MVP should be by analyzing how much worse a team would be without a particular player regardless of the team's record. Even if a team finished 30-52, if the team would have finished something like 9-73 without a particular player, that player should receive the MVP because they are clearly the most valuable player in the league.

the thing is, I don't really disagree with you. I thinks its a shame Nash has 2 MVPs and Rose has one. Nash only really deserves maybe one. If they were doing it our way though, Lebron would probably have at least 5 or 6 MVPs by now considering what he had to work with in Cleveland. Kobe and Shaq definitely would have more also.

pauk

05-30-2012, 11:17 AM

chazzy

05-30-2012, 11:18 AM

06 07 08, arguably top 2 or 3 in 01, 02, 09 and 2010

Dictator

05-30-2012, 11:18 AM

2000-2001 : And yes, Kobe was better than A.I.(stat wise)
2002-2003
2005-2006
2006-2007

These can't be dipsuted

Dictator

05-30-2012, 11:20 AM

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 11:27 AM

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 11:31 AM

:lol

I disagree with Tmac and probably Iverson being named. But its not really laughable.

TaLvsCuaL

05-30-2012, 11:35 AM

none

Bigsmoke

05-30-2012, 11:37 AM

06,07, and in 08

I'll give it to LeBron in 09 and in 2010 and Dirk in 2011

blablabla

05-30-2012, 11:38 AM

from 05/06 to 08/09
top 3 in 02/03 00/01 and 09/10 arguably 11/12 and 01/02

TheBluest

05-30-2012, 11:52 AM

I find it interesting that in the Prime yrs of a player thought to be G.O.A.T. status it's tough to clearly put him as the best player in the NBA during his career

Meanwhile it was never in question for THE G.O.A.T.

Kingwillball

05-30-2012, 11:57 AM

Lebron has Been the Best Player for the past 3 or 4 seasons, Shaq and Duncan were in the Mix up until at least 2006 so Kobe max had 2 years and thats generous.

zay_24

05-30-2012, 12:10 PM

@ dirk ever being better than kobe:roll:

Kobe has been the best player in the NBA from 2001-2010

Kingwillball

05-30-2012, 12:11 PM

@ dirk ever being better than kobe:roll:

Kobe has been the best player in the NBA from 2001-2010

LOL.. Get off the Crack jack..:roll:

L8k3r5

05-30-2012, 12:17 PM

Are you fukking kidding me? In the years I listed Wade, he was healthy. He was healthy in '09-'10. He started slow, but really ramped it up early-mid season. And of course, shitting on the Celtics.
You have got to be shitting me. Kobe never being the best player in the NBA?:oldlol: Man you must be smoking some good shit. D-Wade has always been 2nd to Kobe in terms of best SG in the NBA up until now. I'll give D-Wade this, he's been the best player in the playoffs when he won the title in 2006 but that's it. In the 2000-2010 era of basketball, Kobe has been the best player since Jordan PERIOD. I rest my case.... :facepalm @ these biased sons of bitches.

L8k3r5

05-30-2012, 12:28 PM

NEVER............ Players like first Shaq, Iverson, then T-Mac, Duncan, Garnett, Wade and Lebron have made it tough for him to be "The unquestionable best player in the NBA".... it was mostly Lebron who was the reason to that
There's no hope for you is there? All the players bolded above were great in their primes but, eventually they all fell off. (Exception for Garnett because he's still a beast in his 17th season in the NBA) From 2000-2010 Kobe has been the most durable and most consistent out of all of them. Now Wade and Lebron are the best in the NBA right now, but when Kobe was in his prime, those two don't even come close. As Stephen A Smith says, YOU'RE SO DISRESPECTFUL!!!! You're just gone, you're on another planet if you really believe what you're saying. I tried to help you, I really did. It looks like you're going to have to see a doctor to fix that dome of yours that's out of place. I'm done, anybody else wanna clown on this fool? :facepalm

Odinn

05-30-2012, 12:39 PM

There's no hope for you is there? All the players bolded above were great in their primes but, eventually they all fell off. (Exception for Garnett because he's still a beast in his 17th season in the NBA) From 2000-2010 Kobe has been the most durable and most consistent out of all of them. Now Wade and Lebron are the best in the NBA right now, but when Kobe was in his prime, those two don't even come close. As Stephen A Smith says, YOU'RE SO DISRESPECTFUL!!!! You're just gone, you're on another planet if you really believe what you're saying. I tried to help you, I really did. It looks like you're going to have to see a doctor to fix that dome of yours that's out of place. I'm done, anybody else wanna clown on this fool? :facepalm
And you're so dumb.

L8k3r5

05-30-2012, 12:50 PM

And you're so dumb.
And you're a bitch :D

hawke812

05-30-2012, 01:06 PM

Cool trick question:applause:

He never was...not the best player:bowdown:

Odinn

05-30-2012, 01:17 PM

And you're a bitch :D
And this is coming from a Kobe d!ck rider. Who's the real bitch?..:oldlol:

Deuce Bigalow

05-30-2012, 01:25 PM

2006-2010. You can say Lebron and Wade was tied with Kobe in 2009, even though they said Kobe was still the best.

2005-06: Scoring Title, All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA Defensive 1st Team. 35-5-5 on 49 eFG% in the regular season.
2006-07: Scoring Title, All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA Defensive 1st Team. 32-6-5 on 50 eFG% in the regular season.
2007-08: NBA MVP, All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA Defensive 1st Team. 30-6-6 on 51 eFG% in the Playoffs.
2008-09: NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA Defensive 1st Team. 30-5-6 on 49 eFG% in the Playoffs.
2009-10: NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA Defensive 1st Team. 29-6-6 on 51 eFG% in the Playoffs.

IMO he was robbed of the NBA MVP award in 2005-06 and 2006-07. Should have been a 3 straight MVP award winner.
35/5/5 and All-NBA 1st Team defense ('06 Kobe) vs 19/4/11 with no defense ('06 Nash)
32/6/5 and All-NBA 1st Team defense ('07 Kobe) vs 25/9/3 with no defense ('07 Dirk)

Deuce Bigalow

05-30-2012, 01:33 PM

Lebron has Been the Best Player for the past 3 or 4 seasons, Shaq and Duncan were in the Mix up until at least 2006 so Kobe max had 2 years and thats generous.
2011 Finals

Chris Bosh - 18.5 ppg
Jason Terry - 18.0 ppg
Lebron - 17.8 ppg

Doesn't seem like he's best player the past 4 seasons.

Quickening

05-30-2012, 01:41 PM

2011 Finals

Chris Bosh - 18.5 ppg
Jason Terry - 18.0 ppg
Lebron - 17.8 ppg

Doesn't seem like he's best player the past 4 seasons.

Some people don't base a players year on just 2 percent of the season... Kobe was stand out best player for 1 year, Lebron for 4 so far, deal with it.

Legends66NBA7

05-30-2012, 02:02 PM

2005-06
2006-07
2007-08

I agree with this.

There is debate for his 2009 and 2010 seasons, but that's probably LeBron and Wade was right there with them.

Two of my all-time favourite seasons as well.

LJJ

05-30-2012, 02:03 PM

Ever heard of Shaq?

You saying Shaq was arguably the best player in the NBA for about one season like Kobe? Naw son, you just done proved you are 12 years old. Shaq was in that argument legitimately for much longer and not only that, but he reached a far higher level of play than any version of Kobe as well.

But we all know that people like you can't handle the fact that Bryant doesn't really deserve more than one MVP, and that this means that he can't really be a top 10 all time player. Because there are more than 10 players in NBA history who reached a higher level of play than that.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

05-30-2012, 02:08 PM

You saying Shaq was arguably the best player in the NBA for about one season like Kobe? Naw son, you just done proved you are 12 years old. Shaq was in that argument legitimately for much longer and not only that, but he reached a far higher level of play than any version of Kobe.

Not saying that at all. I was only quoting your post, kiddo.

And the next dilemma that becomes clear here is: can you really rank a player in the all time top 10 who can only legitimately claim one, maybe two MVP awards?

:confusedshrug:

I'm no Kobe fan. So, what can you do to avoid putting your foot in your mouth?

D-Wade316

05-30-2012, 02:10 PM

You have got to be shitting me. Kobe never being the best player in the NBA?:oldlol: Man you must be smoking some good shit. D-Wade has always been 2nd to Kobe in terms of best SG in the NBA up until now. I'll give D-Wade this, he's been the best player in the playoffs when he won the title in 2006 but that's it. In the 2000-2010 era of basketball, Kobe has been the best player since Jordan PERIOD. I rest my case.... :facepalm @ these biased sons of bitches.
LOL. So much butthurt. :rockon:

LJJ

05-30-2012, 02:11 PM

Not saying that at all. I was only quoting your post, kiddo.

:confusedshrug:

I posted "lay claim". In the sense that maybe they weren't always awarded (Iverson :facepalm ), but Shaq can definitely make a serious case for being the Most Valuable Player in the NBA for more than one or two seasons.

Kobe can't. Two seasons during a downswing of NBA talent, if you are being generous. But one sounds about right. That's very good, but not top 10 good.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

05-30-2012, 02:13 PM

I posted "lay claim". In the sense that maybe they weren't always awarded (Iverson :facepalm ), but Shaq can definitely make a serious case for being the Most Valuable Player in the NBA for more than one or two seasons.

Kobe can't. Two seasons during a downswing of NBA talent, if you are being generous. But one sounds about right. That's very good, but not top 10 good.

I agree that one MVP does sound about right. IMO, CP3 and Lebron were just as valuable to their teams as Kobe was to the Lakers in that 08' season.

andgar923

05-30-2012, 02:16 PM

2005-2006 he has a case, although I would go with Dirk or Wade.

2006-2007 again has a case, although again I go with Dirk, Wade, or Lebron.

He has had years where he is the best SCORER, but never the unquestioned BEST PLAYER. ESPN analysts would have you think otherwise, but most are casual fans in reality.

People never know how to separate the the differences.

And we see that with Durant at the moment. I laugh when people say Durant is the best player, he's the leading scorer, but not the best player. He's not even the better scorer then Kobe, let alone a better player then Kobe.

The thing that's always kept Kobe (imo) from being as good as some people make him out to be, is his consistency.

YES he can pass, play defense, rebound, impact games etc.etc. but he's inconsistent at doing so, always has been always will. Most of it is due to his ego getting in the way, which often leads to bad decisions on the floor.

I mentioned it before, Kobe has top 5 all time skill/talent... but I rank him in the top 25, not because of his lack of talent/skill, but because he's possibly the most inconsistent great (at his level) ever. Arguably has the lowest IQ for any top 50 player ever.

iDefend5

05-30-2012, 02:23 PM

Just 2005-2006. Before that it was Shaq/Duncan and after that it's been LeBron for the past 6 years.

k0kakw0rld

05-30-2012, 02:24 PM

Deuce Bigalow

05-30-2012, 02:27 PM

Just 2005-2006. Before that it was Shaq/Duncan and after that it's been LeBron for the past 6 years.
LOL

Kingwillball

05-30-2012, 02:28 PM

2011 Finals

Chris Bosh - 18.5 ppg
Jason Terry - 18.0 ppg
Lebron - 17.8 ppg

Doesn't seem like he's best player the past 4 seasons.

One bad series where he Didnt SHOW UP not get Shut down and your gonna make Ridiculous Statement.. Lebron COULD of been LEAGUE MVP 4 seasons in a Row but last year have it to Drose with Lebron right in Mix..

Deuce Bigalow

05-30-2012, 02:30 PM

One bad series where he Didnt SHOW UP not get Shut down and your gonna make Ridiculous Statement.. Lebron COULD of been LEAGUE MVP 4 seasons in a Row but last year have it to Drose with Lebron right in Mix..
Cool. But he got outscored by a bench player in the NBA Finals in his prime.

Kingwillball

05-30-2012, 02:37 PM

LOL

The Stats back it Up.. THE ONLY REASON Lebron is Not Clear cut #1 last 6 years is lack of championships. His stats have been better than Kobe's every yr since 2006..

Kingwillball

05-30-2012, 02:39 PM

Cool. But he got outscored by a bench player in the NBA Finals in his prime.

I agree no excuses for that.. Lebron is a Mercurial Talent but as Saying goes Million Dollar Talent with a 10 cent head.. Unfortunately for Lebron that applies at times as he lets to many things Bother him on the court and get into his head ex) Not shooting last second shots cause of being called anti-clutch by haters like Skip Bayless.

Deuce Bigalow

05-30-2012, 02:40 PM

The Stats back it Up.. THE ONLY REASON Lebron is Not Clear cut #1 last 6 years is lack of championships. His stats have been better than Kobe's every yr since 2006..
What about in the Finals ...LOL

Lebron was the best player in 2008-09 tied with Kobe.

Heavincent

05-30-2012, 02:49 PM

05-06
06-07
07-08
08-09
09-10

StateOfMind12

05-30-2012, 02:50 PM

2005-2006 to 2008-2009 for me.

2008-2009 is interchangeable between him and LeBron but I usually take Kobe this season, maybe because it was my favorite season from him.

I think he was clearly the best from 05-06 to 07-08 though. He doesn't have much of an argument from anyone else except Duncan in 2007 but I would still roll with Kobe quite easily there.

KingLeBronJames

05-30-2012, 02:50 PM

2002-2003, 2005-2006, 2006-2007, 2007-2008.

ShaqAttack3234

05-30-2012, 03:10 PM

This is easy for me. He was the best from '06-'08. He was widely regarded as the best during that time. Actually most in the league considered him the best in '09 and '10, but I'd go with Lebron, and I'd also lean towards Wade in '09.

I can't see anyone over him in '06 and '08 especially. I see the case for Duncan in '07 at least, '06 was the year where Kobe was most clearly the best in the league. Some would lean towards Paul in '08, but I'm simply not picking him over prime Kobe in his best all around season('06 may have been his best season, but '08 was best from an all around standpoint).

Kobe's rankings.

2000- Top 10
2001- Top 3
2002- Top 3
2003- Top 5
2004- Top 4
2005- Top 10
2006- Best player
2007- Best player
2008- Best player
2009- Top 3
2010- Top 2
2011- Borderline top 5(undecided on an exact ranking
2012- Borderline top 5(also undecided on an exact ranking)

He has a bit of a case for best in '09 and '10, but I don't agree with that.

:oldlol: at some of these answers, he has NO case before '06. He has no case over Shaq from '00-'02 when he was widely regarded as the best player in the league. Only Duncan had a case over Shaq one of those years, and that was in '02. Many actually did consider Kobe the second best player in '01 and '02, but I think Duncan got underrated. You can make an argument for Kobe at 2nd over Duncan in '01 based on his playoff performance when he was obviously the second best player in the league, but I'll still go with Duncan because I'm definitely picking him to start a franchise, and Kobe was in all honesty, a selfish cancer in the first few months of the '00-'01 season. He made up for it in the playoffs with some of his best all around ball, but it hurts his case over Duncan when you consider the entire season, not just the playoffs.

'03-'09 was Kobe's true prime, but he was clearly top 5 every year from '01-'10 outside of '05. That's impressive enough, we don't need people to exaggerate and call him the best player before he had a case.

Once again, we have the worst of both worlds, the Kobe haters who say he was never the best, which is ridiculous, and the Kobe homers who think he was the best every time he stepped on the floor, which is equally ridiculous.

oolalaa

05-30-2012, 03:18 PM

General

05-30-2012, 03:27 PM

I mentioned it before, Kobe has top 5 all time skill/talent... but I rank him in the top 25, not because of his lack of talent/skill, but because he's possibly the most inconsistent great (at his level) ever. Arguably has the lowest IQ for any top 50 player ever.
:roll:

Your hate for Kobe is disturbing.

Toizumi

05-30-2012, 03:38 PM

Posted this in a thread a year back or so. Not the best written piece ever, but whatever :oldlol:
I have Kobe as the best in 05-06 and arguably in 07-08 (but I'd probably give it to Lebron that season). That's about it.

Between 00-04 Kobe has no case whatsoever. He wasn't the best player on his team. Alphawolf, I don't care what some (1) article says.. go watch any Laker game from that period and tell me Shaq wasn't the most valuable piece for those teams. Kobe was great, but not as big a threat, or unique a player as Shaq.
Also, during those years Duncan, KG, Shaq, Iverson won MVP's, while Kobe only came in third in '03 and never higher than 5th. He was a top 10 player, even top 5 (depending on the year), but clearly not the best.

04-05 he was stuck on a rebuilding (bad team). Not his fault. had some personal issues as well. Not a great season for the Lakers, or for Kobe (third team). It's not like he lost his skills or whatever, but things just didnt go right. He was third team for a reason and wasn't the best player in the league that year.

05-06 - Arguably Kobe's finest year. Took a bad team to the playoffs, almost single handidly. set all sorts of scoring records as well. He worked with a bad roster, which explains why he only finished 4th in MVP voting (didn't have much team succes). He was at his best as a scorer though. All his other numbers dipped a bit, but he realized what he had to do for the team to be successful.. Pretty much no player has a case of being better than Kobe for that year.. Nash won MVP, but he was never on Kobe's level. Nowitzki wasn't either. IMO Kobe was the best that season.

06-07 - Nowitzki won MVP, Duncan won a championship, LeBron carried his team to the finals. Kobe, again, didnt have much to work with that year. Put up great numbers, but got ousted in the first round again (not his fault, bad roster..). Still for the regular season, Dirk was great.. and LeBron carried a weak squad to the finals (and looked better than Kobe for the season IMO). Kobe has a case for being the best player that year.. but he misses out in my opinion.

07-08 - Kobe won MVP.. it was overdue. He didn't have the same impact that KG had on the C's (although Kobe, at this point, was the better player than KG). I think Kobe was second best that year. LeBron had a great regular season (lol). Kobe came short in the finals, but the Lakers had a great year. Best player that season: between Kobe and LeBron. I'd say LeBron, but it's arguable.

08-09 - Lakers win the title. Kobe finishes second in MVP voting to LeBron, who was crazy good that season. Kobe's team had a better playoff run, but LeBron was the best player in the league.. had a more complete game, carried his entire team (pretty weak roster) and eventhough he came up short in the playoffs (he's known for that, lol) he was a better player.

In terms of skills, nobody topped LeBron after that season. He's a great overall player. Even this season, with the choking and awfull finals, I'd say he was the best player in the league (he just messes up when it matters most..) 90% of the time he was the best player in the L (skill/talent wise).

Also, for this season (playoffs included) Nowitzki's great run has to be taken into account. Rose had a great regular season as well. Durant also. Kobe was great.. but some players have overtaken him

Kobe ranks high for this decade because he was a factor pretty much every year. Not the best player though, except for one or two seasons (3 tops).

Legends66NBA7

05-30-2012, 03:43 PM

Between 00-04 Kobe has no case whatsoever. He wasn't the best player on his team. Alphawolf, I don't care what some (1) article says.. go watch any Laker game from that period and tell me Shaq wasn't the most valuable piece for those teams

:oldlol: :cheers:

andgar923

05-30-2012, 04:01 PM

:roll:

Your hate for Kobe is disturbing.
I see I'm right.:pimp:

oolalaa

05-30-2012, 04:02 PM

Posted this in a thread a year back or so. Not the best written piece ever, but whatever :oldlol:
I have Kobe as the best in 05-06 and arguably in 07-08 (but I'd probably give it to Lebron that season). That's about it.

Lebron's jumper was still a joke in '08. Kobe was at his all round best throughout the regular season and through the 1st 3 rounds of the playoffs. He stink bombed in the finals but Bron was arguably even worse against the same Boston team in the ECSFs...

27/6/8/2 on 36% for Bron

compared to

26/5/5/3 on 41% for Kobe

I don't see any justification for Lebron over Bryant....

ShaqAttack3234

05-30-2012, 04:21 PM

For 5 years, between '06 and '10, he was the best player in the league. Not the clear cut, unanimous, unquestionable alpha dog like Jordan was in the 90s or Shaq was in the early 2000s, but still the best.

Wade was NOT the best in '06. :facepalm at anyone who said he was. 4 great (but highly questionable) games at the end of the finals was not sufficient to claim he was better than Kobe, who was in his athletic/scoring prime.

You could make a case for Lebron being the best in '09, considering what he did against Orlando in the ECFs and him winning MVP, but knowing what I know now about his weak mental state, give me Kobe any day. At least he's a proven 'winner'. Lebron most definitely is not. I would take '09 Wade over Bron too.

And 2010? Lebron's entire season went down the drain when he effectively gave up in that game 5 vs Boston.

Yeah, I disagree with Wade over Kobe in '06. I have Wade 2nd, but Kobe was still clearly the better and much more skilled scorer, I believe he could've had a great chance at a title in place of Wade in the East while I don't see Wade having much of a chance of dragging the '06 Lakers to the playoffs, and Kobe was widely regarded as the better player than Wade. No disrespect to Wade's great series vs

Lebron's puzzling final 3 games vs Boston hurt his season for me, but he was so great prior to that, every bit as good as '09, while Kobe wasn't healthy like '09 and lost quite a bit of athleticism as well as much of his 3 point shooting. I see the case for Kobe, but I still have to go with Lebron despite the Boston series.

In '09, Kobe was the more skilled scorer, and perhaps better at fitting in to a team with talent because he was a better off the ball player, so he has a legitimate case, but Lebron became more dominant at that point once he added the improved jumper, and had become a very good defender. Lebron's series vs Orlando wasn't quite as great as the stats suggest due to extreme ball-dominance, but he gave his team a chance to win as a 1 man team despite the match up problems with his teammates not showing up, and played better vs Orlando than Kobe did, imo.

Between 00-04 Kobe has no case whatsoever. He wasn't the best player on his team. Alphawolf, I don't care what some (1) article says

Just ignore him, I tried arguing with him for a while it's not worth it. I've posted GM surverys from around the '01 and '02 seasons where Shaq was getting voted best in the league by a landslide. Outside of Jordan in the 90's, and perhaps Bird in the mid 80's, Shaq was the closest to consensus best player in the league during the 3peat as we've seen. Lebron is currently pretty close to that status now since I don't really see anyone making arguments for other players.

In this one from April 19th, 2002, Shaq gets 56% of the votes for best player, T-Mac is 2nd at 16%, Kobe is 3rd at 10% and others made up 18% of the votes.

I think Duncan was underrated at the time, he was clearly the second best player behind Shaq in '02, and had a case vs Shaq by that point, though I still go with Shaq. But I felt vindicated finding these because it backs up what i've said and what I remembered from the early 00's NBA, that Shaq was widely considered the best in the league.

And this is another survey from March 4th, 2002 (Credit to Nugzheat for finding these last 2 surveys).

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_9_226/ai_83667190/

Shaq was number 1 by a landslide.

That's why Shaq tops THE SPORTING NEWS list of the NBA's 50 best players. We asked one general manager or personnel man from each team to rank the league's top players based on current ability--not potential or past performance--and O'Neal came up No. 1 on 15 of the 18 ballots received

And here's one from March 3rd, 2003.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_9_227/ai_98172075/?tag=content;col1

Shaq is still 1st, and that's clearly more due to what he had done from '00-'02, but he had been considered so clearly above Kobe prior to that, proof of that is that this is Shaq ranking above Kobe despite Kobe having a better regular season in '03, and even more to this point in the season because Kobe was barely removed from the 35+ and 40+ streaks and Shaq hadn't even had his March month yet which got him player of the month.

Obviously, after the playoffs, Duncan had dethroned Shaq. But it's proof of what i've said since I joined here, that it's revisionist history to suggest Shaq wasn't widely regarded as the best player during the 3peat. There's a lesson to trolls, if you're going to discuss early 00's ball, it pays to have actually followed the league closely at the time. :D

Lebron's jumper was still a joke in '08. Kobe was at his all round best throughout the regular season and through the 1st 3 rounds of the playoffs. He stink bombed in the finals but Bron was arguably even worse against the same Boston team in the ECSFs...

27/6/8/2 on 36% for Bron

compared to

26/5/5/3 on 41% for Kobe

I don't see any justification for Lebron over Bryant....

I agree with everything, I don't see a case for Lebron over Kobe in '08. Kobe was clearly the better scorer, and still a better defender without a clear weakness since his approach the game was better than ever. Lebron has always been the better passer/playmaker, but Kobe had his best season in that regard so the gap isn't as big.

Lebron was definitely worse in the Boston series, and while Boston clearly had the better team, it's interesting to point out that Cleveland fared so well in the series with Lebron struggling so much. I will add that Lebron had a very good defensive series, though.

Not only did Lebron shot 36% vs Boston as you mentioned, but he also averaged over 5 turnovers, which was the second straight season his jumper was exposed since he was given that shot and they tried taking away the drives. As a result, it was the second consecutive season he was eliminated from the playoffs with a 35-36 FG%, 5-6 TO per game series. His shooting wasn't as terrible as '07, but it was still a key flaw.

Cleveland was tied at 2-2 through 4 games with Lebron averaging 18.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 9 apg on 25.6% shooting, 25% on 3s(5/20) and 69.8% from the line with 5.8 turnovers per game.

They were still tied at 3-3 through 6 games with Lebron averaging just 23.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 7.8 apg, 5.8 TO, 32.5% from the field and 21.4% on 3s(6/28).

Cleveland fell behind 0-2 in the series, but that was with Lebron having more FGA than points and more turnovers than assists in each of the first 2 games. Between the 2 games, he had 33 total points on 8/42 shooting(19%) with 15 total assists and 17 total turnovers.

Despite what people may remember about his cast, they gave him a chance to win that series, he showed up in game 7, but you have to wonder what happens if he plays better before that. For example, they lost game 1 by just 4 points with Lebron putting up 10/9/9 on 2/18 shooting with 10 turnovers.

Players can off produce at unbelievable levels, but their game doesn't translate as well to the playoffs due to a key flaw or another reason. David Robinson's scoring always dropped a ton, and I always thought that was because he didn't have a good back to the basket game or go to move. Karl Malone's scoring/efficiency typically dropped off a lot, and I always suspected that was because he relied on quite a few easy baskets set up by Stockton, more in the late 80's/early 90's. And if you look at Kevin Durant in 2010, he had a great year, but got to the line at a comical rate, you're not going to get that many calls or those type of calls in the playoffs, and he shot 35% vs the Lakers. He hasn't put up the same numbers the last 2 years(except for shooting a career best at nearly 50% this year), but he's looked like a better all around player(especially this year), his free throw attempts have been more reasonable, and he's fared much better in the playoffs.

Same thing with Lebron's jumper before '09, his failures in '10 and '11 don't make sense, but his '07 and '08 performances do because he had a clear hole in his game, especially in '07.

Round Mound

05-30-2012, 04:27 PM

None.

His PER, Plus/Minus, Win Shares and Efficiency etc are Lower than Most Other Great Players

I`d Rank him Top 5-6 Of the Decade

Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Lebron
Dirk or Kobe

DirtySanchez

05-30-2012, 04:29 PM

None.

His PER, Plus/Minus, Win Shares and Efficiency etc are Lower than Most Other Great Players

I`d Rank him Top 5 Of the Decade

Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Dirk
Kobe

Hmmmm...

Not sure about Dirk or KG.....
For some reason I would like to place Rasheed Wallace on that list.

andgar923

05-30-2012, 04:31 PM

None.

His PER, Plus/Minus, Win Shares and Efficiency etc are Lower than Most Other Great Players

I`d Rank him Top 5-6 Of the Decade

Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Lebron
Dirk or Kobe

Kobe fans "stats don't prove anything... you stat whore!"

I'd generally somewhat agree, but the stats are very consistent and are various to ignore.

Quickening

05-30-2012, 04:40 PM

Kobe fans "stats don't prove anything... you stat whore!"

I'd generally somewhat agree, but the stats are very consistent and are various to ignore.

Don't talk any stats with Kobe stans... the stats show clearly his is average at best in the clutch, most would say poor... yet they still claim his a clutch Gawd because he isn't afraid to miss 75 percent of the time..:bowdown:

Round Mound

05-30-2012, 04:43 PM

None.

His PER, Plus/Minus, Win Shares and Efficiency etc are Lower than Most Other Great Players

I`d Rank him Top 5-6 Of the Decade

Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Lebron
Dirk or Kobe

Fixed

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 04:47 PM

Hmmmm...

Not sure about Dirk or KG.....
For some reason I would like to place Rasheed Wallace on that list.
Sheed?

Great player, but he was never really elite.

andgar923

05-30-2012, 04:48 PM

Don't talk any stats with Kobe stans... the stats show clearly his is average at best in the clutch, most would say poor... yet they still claim his a clutch Gawd because he isn't afraid to miss 75 percent of the time..:bowdown:

Honestly, I can see how stats are misleading since there's too many variables to consider. But when they seem to be consistent and when there seems to be different categories something must be going on right?

Kobe fans make fun of Bron for not being clutch, but stats show that they're not too far apart, and like you mentioned Kobe is statistically bad. I understand that there's other variables involved, but these same variables can be attributed to other stars as well. Kobe isn't the only player that has his fg% skewed by taking las minute heaves, or taking impossible shots over defenders.

DirtySanchez

05-30-2012, 04:49 PM

Sheed?

Great player, but he was never really elite.

Talk to any player in the NBA and they will tell you different. When he wanted to be Rasheed was unstoppable.

andgar923

05-30-2012, 04:52 PM

Talk to any player in the NBA and they will tell you different. When he wanted to be Rasheed was unstoppable.

He was never the main option.

He never had to carry a team on his back, which is a huge difference.

Vienceslav

05-30-2012, 04:52 PM

None.

His PER, Plus/Minus, Win Shares and Efficiency etc are Lower than Most Other Great Players

I`d Rank him Top 5-6 Of the Decade

Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Lebron
Dirk or Kobe
This is great , too bad nobody will get the joke.

DirtySanchez

05-30-2012, 04:52 PM

yeeee

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 04:53 PM

Talk to any player in the NBA and they will tell you different. When he wanted to be Rasheed was unstoppable.

You can't rank someone on potential. The stats and accoloades don't add up for Sheed. Don't get me wrong, the man won a ring, played in 3 Finals, was apart of a million conference finals, and made some all-star teams. But he isn't on the same tier as guys like Dirk, Garnett, Kobe, etc. He had the talent to be up there, but he was an underachiever for the most part. He made a great career out of it anyways, so props to him.

ShaqAttack3234

05-30-2012, 04:53 PM

He was never the main option.

He never had to carry a team on his back, which is a huge difference.

He was the 1st option on the Blazers in the early 00's, and back then he was actually primarily a post player offensively, and pretty unstoppable in the post. Never a truly elite player, but he was one of the better defensive players, and one of the better all around big men.

He was on stacked teams, though, so his numbers don't do justice to his ability.

andgar923

05-30-2012, 04:56 PM

He was the 1st option on the Blazers in the early 00's, and back then he was actually primarily a post player offensively, and pretty unstoppable in the post. Never a truly elite player, but he was one of the better defensive players, and one of the better all around big men.

He was on stacked teams, though, so his numbers don't do justice to his ability.

As I finished typing I tried to remember if I was wrong. You may be right, but I'm honestly still not sure whether he was or not.

Oh well...

He was good, but like you said, never an elite player. He could match up well and at times dominate KG, Duncan and others at his position.

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 04:57 PM

He was never the main option.

He never had to carry a team on his back, which is a huge difference.

im harder on Sheed becuase I think he could have had a HOF career. Nasty low-post defender, virtually unguardable jumpshot, filthy arsenal of low-post moves, etc. Again, the guy had a great career. But he could have been a lot better.

andgar923

05-30-2012, 05:00 PM

im harder on Sheed becuase I think he could have had a HOF career. Nasty low-post defender, virtually unguardable jumpshot, filthy arsenal of low-post moves, etc. Again, the guy had a great career. But he could have been a lot better.

Oh yeah.. I agree.

I've been following him since high school and was a huge UNC-tard at the time. He used to have games in which he killed KG, Duncan, CWEb, LO and others. But for whatever reason he never maximized or reached his potential. I guess too busy getting high... dunno.

oolalaa

05-30-2012, 05:13 PM

[QUOTE]I see the case for Kobe, but I still have to go with Lebron despite the Boston series.

Are you honestly telling me you would rather Lebron on your team than Kobe in 2010, knowing that he choked away that Boston series without even putting up a fight? For all of Kobe's nagging injuries and declining athleticism, he did lead his team to a championship. Let's not forget what he did against the suns in the WCF either - the Suns had pretty good perimiter defenders that they were chucking at him all series (aside from Nash :oldlol: ), it didn't matter, he completely shredded them. When you take into account the crunch time heroics it was a truly great series.

Lebron was definitely worse in the Boston series, and while Boston clearly had the better team, it's interesting to point out that Cleveland fared so well in the series with Lebron struggling so much. I will add that Lebron had a very good defensive series, though.

I remember watching that series in genuine bemusment. Considering how Lebron was playing, how did it go to 7 games?? I'm still not sure. Yes, the Cavs played great/stifling Defence - and as you said, that was one of Lebron's better defensive series to date - but come on, this was not exactly a stellar team (Bron's best teammate was Delonte West!!). They were up against the eventual champs, the clear cut, undeniable best team in the league.

I guess you could put it squarely on the shoulders of Ray Allen for letting it get that far. He was worse than horrendous the entire series (was he hurt? I can't really remember). But....wow. 7 games with Bron shooting 36% from the floor? Amazing.

trabash

05-30-2012, 05:37 PM

Kobe is/was a great, great player, but he was never the best player in the league.

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]

Are you honestly telling me you would rather Lebron on your team than Kobe in 2010, knowing that he choked away that Boston series without even putting up a fight? For all of Kobe's nagging injuries and declining athleticism, he did lead his team to a championship. Let's not forget what he did against the suns in the WCF either - the Suns had pretty good perimiter defenders that they were chucking at him all series (aside from Nash :oldlol: ), it didn't matter, he completely shredded them. When you take into account the crunch time heroics it was a truly great series.

I remember watching that series in genuine bemusment. Considering how Lebron was playing, how did it go to 7 games?? I'm still not sure. Yes, the Cavs played great/stifling Defence - and as you said, that was one of Lebron's better defensive series to date - but come on, this was not exactly a stellar team (Bron's best teammate was Delonte West!!). They were up against the eventual champs, the clear cut, undeniable best team in the league.

I guess you could put it squarely on the shoulders of Ray Allen for letting it get that far. He was worse than horrendous the entire series (was he hurt? I can't really remember). But....wow. 7 games with Bron shooting 36% from the floor? Amazing.

The Cavs played great defense that series. Lebron played like crap on offense, but he started to show the kind of force he could on defense, giving Pierce a hard time. Up until game 7 when they both flipped the script and went ape-sh1t on each other. As you mentioned, Ray Allen played like hot garbage. He got held to zero points in game 1 by Wally Szcerbiak of all people. KG was the only real consistent guy on offense that whole series it seemed.

Doranku

05-30-2012, 06:03 PM

Like most everyone else has said, he was the best player in:

'05-06
'06-07
'07-08

As for the decade:

1. Duncan
2. Shaq/Kobe
3. Kobe/Shaq

Dictator

05-30-2012, 06:07 PM

Kobe is/was a great, great player, but he was never the best player in the league.

35 5 5?

Owl

05-30-2012, 06:09 PM

Never clearly. This is to say he was never head and shoulders above everyone, he was always part of a pack. I'm not saying he was "clearly, never the best".

Was one of the very best, amongst a bunch between 06 and 08 Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, Nash, LeBron, Wade and Paul (not all for all of that period).

He was definitely the biggest star during this period (he always had a high profile from the start of his career what with the Jordan comparisons, flashy game, playing in LA, winning titles and of course being an excellent baller), but I don't know if he was ever the best player.

The fact that his numbers and team peaks were seperate was unfortunate in terms of his chances of winning MVPs.

StateOfMind12

05-30-2012, 06:17 PM

andgar923

05-30-2012, 06:22 PM

Deuce Bigalow

05-30-2012, 06:35 PM

None.

His PER, Plus/Minus, Win Shares and Efficiency etc are Lower than Most Other Great Players

I`d Rank him Top 5-6 Of the Decade

Shaq
Duncan
Garnett
Lebron
Dirk or Kobe
According to PER Kobe > Magic and Bird

his career PER in the playoffs and regular season > Bird's
his peak PER in the playoffs and regular season > Magic's

NumberSix

05-30-2012, 06:36 PM

I think you could say Kobe was the overall best for a period of about 6 seasons, but was never the best in any single season.

If you're like the 2nd or 3rd best player each season for like 6 or 7 years straight, you could probably say that player was the overall best of that 6 or 7 season time span.

Deuce Bigalow

05-30-2012, 06:38 PM

Kobe is/was a great, great player, but he was never the best player in the league.
Why did the entire league say Kobe was the best?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg&feature=relmfu

Round Mound

05-30-2012, 06:40 PM

According to PER Kobe > Magic and Bird

his career PER in the playoffs and regular season > Bird's
his peak PER in the playoffs and regular season > Magic's

Compare them to "THEIR ERAS"

Deuce Bigalow

05-30-2012, 06:42 PM

How can anyone say Kobe was not the best in '06 or '07 atleast?
Im not even talking about '08, '09, & '10.

Who was better? Nash? Dirk?
You're telling me they were better?

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 06:43 PM

OP, we haven't heard your opinion on this subject yet so let me ask you this. What seasons do you think Kobe was the best player in the NBA?

I already answered mine a few pages back.

Here is who I think the best players were every season since the start of the 2000 decade.

2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Garnett
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - LeBron
2011 - Dirk
2012 - LeBron

True. I was trying to wait it out a little to give my opinion so people didn't think this was an agenda thread.

2000- Shaq
2001-Shaq
2002- Shaq (unanimous from 00-02)
2003- Duncan (easily Duncan's best season)
2004- KG (Shaq and TD are up there, but KG was the man in 04)
2005- Duncan (Pretty clearly TD, but I will give a shoutout to Shaq)
2006- Kobe (Best scoring season, carried an awful team to the playoffs, etc)
2007- Kobe (Duncan was a close 2nd. His 07 season is underrated imo)
2008- Kobe/Lebron (toss-up imo, but Kobe would get edge probably)
2009- Lebron (Lebron's best season and carried a weak team to 66 wins. Shoutout to Wade, and Kobe was great also)
2010- Lebron (Didn't play as consistent as defense as 09, but still best player)
2011- Dirk/Lebron (Hard to say between these two. Dirk was very underrated throughout the regular season. Lebron's play dropped off a bit from 2010).
2012- Lebron (not much of a debate here. Maybe Lebron's best season as a more complete player (post-ups, jump-shooting, defense, etc.)

I pretty much agree with most of your list. We differ a little on 09, but thats reasonable. Kobe was a beast in 09 also.

talkingconch

05-30-2012, 06:55 PM

Kobe was the best player for quite some time. 2-3 years at least

SwayDizzle

05-30-2012, 07:02 PM

DAA LAAAWDDDbeeeeeeee
06-10 and quite possibly 02 as well

G-Funk

05-30-2012, 07:10 PM

04-10

Mr. Jabbar

05-30-2012, 07:23 PM

he was also the best player of the decade

magnax1

05-30-2012, 07:25 PM

06-
1-Kobe
2-Wade
3-Duncan
4-Lebron
5-KG
07-
1-Kobe
2-Duncan
3-Lebron
4-KG
5-Wade (probably equal to Kobe when healthy though)
08-
1-Kobe
2-Lebron
3-Duncan
4-KG
5-CP3
Then Kobe/Wade/Lebron are all similar in 09.

SilkkTheShocker

05-30-2012, 08:05 PM

04-10

Most Kobe/Laker fans would still disagree with you. Duncan was definitely better in 05 for one.