underated/overated players in the league

[nugsfreak]

being a nuggets fan I seriously think Melo is an underrated player in the league as he plays for the nuggets a small market team. And he has yet to be voted in by the fans for an AllStar game.

most overrated player has to go to Steve Nash. The fact that he is being considered MVP for the THIRD strait season says it all. their are far more deserving players out there. such as i hate to say but Dirk.

what do you guys think.

[insidehoops]

Fans only vote for starters in the all-star game

Melo has never been worthy of that

This is the first year he's been worthy of the all-star team (as a backup). Though the suspension make that questionable

[Mewwem22]

being a nuggets fan I seriously think Melo is an underrated player in the league as he plays for the nuggets a small market team. And he has yet to be voted in by the fans for an AllStar game.

Just think about how it is to be a jazz fan. The whole jazz team is stacked with underrated players.

[nugsfreak]

Fans only vote for starters in the all-star game

Melo has never been worthy of that

This is the first year he's been worthy of the all-star team (as a backup). Though the suspension make that questionable

so you are saying that melo, the leagues leading scorer and the guy that transformed the nuggets does not deserve to be voted in? how about Andrea Kiralinko, he got voted in before melo last year did he deserve it?

[nugsfreak]

Just think about how it is to be a jazz fan. The whole jazz team is stacked with underrated players.

I agree, Boozer deserves more credit than he gets.

[StroShow4]

t-mac is overrated, melo is underrated, arenas is still probably a little underrated.

[Mewwem22]

so you are saying that melo, the leagues leading scorer and the guy that transformed the nuggets does not deserve to be voted in? how about Andrea Kiralinko, he got voted in before melo last year did he deserve it?

first of all, that is a hella bad attempt at spelling Ak's name. second, andrei didn't get voted in last year. He has only been in the ASG one year (in 2004) and he definately deserved it that year.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

My Underated list.

Eddy Curry
David Lee
Josh Howard
Tayshaun Prince
Barbosa
Anthony Parker
Monta Ellis
Matt Barnes
Kevin Martin
Trevor Ariza
Gilbert Arenas
Tracy McGrady (Deserves More Credit)
Carmelo Anthony

[nugsfreak]

t-mac is overrated, melo is underrated, arenas is still probably a little underrated.

tmac was another name that I though of as being an overrated player, just forgot to list him. Arenas will get his due if he continues to play the way he is playing. Melo probably never will.

[nugsfreak]

first of all, that is a hella bad attempt at spelling Ak's name. second, andrei didn't get voted in last year. He has only been in the ASG one year (in 2004) and he definately deserved it that year.
sorry how do you spell his name?

[StroShow4]

i forgot a few... lamar odom is underrated, so is randolph

i also believe chris bosh is a little underrated, people always talk about wade, lebron, and melo being the special 3 in that draft... i never hear anyone mention bosh.

[Darsh]

Just think about how it is to be a jazz fan. The whole jazz team is stacked with underrated players.

i dont think you can really say that.

Deron Williams has recieved the props he deserves and has been compared to Kidd in his style. He is widely regarded as a top 5 sophomore player without a doubt.

Boozer has only proved his outstanding ability this season. He has been ranked at number 1 in the MVP rankings on NBA.com during the year and everyone is well aware of how well he has been playing. This is the first season he deserves to be considered among the best in the NBA and he certainly has recieved that credit.

AK47, He's been playing injured, but you can't deny that he has been exposed for the overrated player he is.

Okur may be the one (of your top tier players) that is legitimately underrated. He is a terrific shooter for a big man and continually proves that he can come up big in the clutch. We all saw the numbers he put up last year when he had to fill the void of injuries, and they were impressive to say the least.

[Mewwem22]

sorry how do you spell his name?

andrei kirilenko. I wouldn't expect someone who isn't a fan to be able to spell his name, but boy was that attempt off. :oldlol:

[StroShow4]

My Underated list.

Eddy Curry
David Lee
Josh Howard
Tayshaun Prince
Barbosa
Anthony Parker
Monta Ellis
Matt Barnes
Kevin Martin
Trevor Ariza
Gilbert Arenas
Tracy McGrady (Deserves More Credit)
Carmelo Anthony


i like your entire list except for one thing... how is t-mac possibly underrated?? he is going to start on the all star team and alot of people still consider him an elite player.

[Darsh]

My Underated list.

Eddy Curry
David Lee
Josh Howard
Tayshaun Prince
Barbosa
Anthony Parker
Monta Ellis
Matt Barnes
Kevin Martin
Trevor Ariza
Gilbert Arenas
Tracy McGrady (Deserves More Credit)
Carmelo Anthony

Nice to see you mentioning Melo's name without a "sucker punching *****" caption next to it. Good work.

[nugsfreak]

andrei kirilenko. I wouldn't expect someone who isn't a fan to be able to spell his name, but boy was that attempt off. :oldlol:
I don't follow the Jazz as you can probably tell. sorry for the miss spelling I am just a bad speller as others can attest to on this board.
:cheers:

[Mewwem22]

i dont think you can really say that.

Deron Williams has recieved the props he deserves and has been compared to Kidd in his style. He is widely regarded as a top 5 sophomore player without a doubt.

Boozer has only proved his outstanding ability this season. He has been ranked at number 1 in the MVP rankings on NBA.com during the year and everyone is well aware of how well he has been playing. This is the first season he deserves to be considered among the best in the NBA and he certainly has recieved that credit.

AK47, He's been playing injured, but you can't deny that he has been exposed for the overrated player he is.

Okur may be the one (of your top tier players) that is legitimately underrated. He is a terrific shooter for a big man and continually proves that he can come up big in the clutch. We all saw the numbers he put up last year when he had to fill the void of injuries, and they were impressive to say the least.

I agree that ak is pretty overrated. But saying that deron is only a top 5 sophomore player... That seriously shows how underrated he is.

[kentatm]

i know it makes me look like a bitter Mavs fan but why in the hell is Wade getting credit for holding the Heat together w/o Shaq when their roster is pretty damn good and he plays in the East?

[nugsfreak]

oh another name to throw out their as being underrated is Jr Smith. I know the Kid has had a questionable past with the hornets. But he can play hoops with the best of them.

[Darsh]

i know it makes me look like a bitter Mavs fan but why in the hell is Wade getting credit for holding the Heat together w/o Shaq when their roster is pretty damn good and he plays in the East?

i hate that as well. Because they are "old"?

[nugsfreak]

i know it makes me look like a bitter Mavs fan but why in the hell is Wade getting credit for holding the Heat together w/o Shaq when their roster is pretty damn good and he plays in the East?

he is overrated that is why.:D

[kentatm]

i hate that as well. Because they are "old"?

yea they are an older team but its not like they are scrubs and they did just win the title. i mean damn. they should not have such a cruddy record just b/c they lost Shaq.

[Darsh]

I agree that ak is pretty overrated. But saying that deron is only a top 5 sophomore player... That seriously shows how underrated he is.

Sorry, i actually just made a mistake on that one.

He's without a doubt top 3. I would put him 2nd after Chris Paul. And im positive that most people would have him in their top 3.

[Darsh]

yea they are an older team but its not like they are scrubs and they did just win the title. i mean damn. they should not have such a cruddy record just b/c they lost Shaq.

Yeah, like i said..i find it stupid too.

[nugsfreak]

how about this name, Kobe Bryant, underrated or overrated?

[Darsh]

how about this name, Kobe Bryant, underrated or overrated?

Both.

Homers overrate him big time.

Haters underrate him big time.

Then you have those who are neither homers nor haters who appreciate him for exactly what he is.

[nugsfreak]

Both.

Homers overrate him big time.

Haters underrate him big time.

Then you have those who are neither homers nor haters who appreciate him for exactly what he is.
thats interesting, I agree with you though on your assessment though. I personally cannot stand him for that infamous day in Vail Colorado. I know if i did something like that I'll be behind bars for a long time.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Jermain Oneil and Kevin Garnett need more credit.

Ben Wallace is really overated

[nugsfreak]

let me throw another name out there, Wade. underrated or overrated?

[DreamRockets]

rated right where he should be, he hasn't done much without shaq, but again, has kobe ? no one calls kobe overrated.

[nugsfreak]

rated right where he should be, he hasn't done much without shaq, but again, has kobe ? no one calls kobe overrated.

I think Darsh hit it right on the head when he said that Kobe is both underrated by his "homers" and underrated by his "haters".

as far as wade goes I think he can sometimes be overrated in the game of basketball for his phantom calls he seems to get night in and night out. but with that being said he is also underrated by some fans that don't see him play every game.

[The White Guy]

[QUOTE=nugsfreak]

most overrated player has to go to Steve Nash.
QUOTE]

Are you out of you're freakin' mind?!? Nash is the BEST PG of his generation. He manages to evenly distribute scoring to 5 other players (Marion, Stoudemire, Diaw, Barbosa, Bell), juggle the feud between Marion/Stoudemire, and averge a double double. He IS the suns and I know it's crazy but he deserves MVP this year.

Oh yeah...his team is 26-2 their last 28 games, but no thanks to Nash of course.

[nugsfreak]

[QUOTE=nugsfreak]

most overrated player has to go to Steve Nash.
QUOTE]

Are you out of you're freakin' mind?!? Nash is the BEST PG of his generation. He manages to evenly distribute scoring to 5 other players (Marion, Stoudemire, Diaw, Barbosa, Bell), juggle the feud between Marion/Stoudemire, and averge a double double. He IS the suns and I know it's crazy but he deserves MVP this year.

Oh yeah...his team is 26-2 their last 28 games, but no thanks to Nash of course.
no I am not out of my mind. I want to see someone else win the MVP this year. i.e Dirk

[The White Guy]

right but how can you say Nash is overrated...if anything, he is underrated. People are tired of seeing Steve Nash win an MVP, but the fact is, he deserves it for all of the reasons I said previously. Not to mention, he has stepped up his killer instinct and mean streak this season, and he has proven invaluable in the clutch. And how can you forget that he is the best free-throw shooter in the NBA, shoots almost or over 50% FG's, and over 40% from 3?

[nugsfreak]

let me throw another name out their, Dirk. overrated or underrated?
I personally think underrated.

[nugsfreak]

right but how can you say Nash is overrated...if anything, he is underrated. People are tired of seeing Steve Nash win an MVP, but the fact is, he deserves it for all of the reasons I said previously. Not to mention, he has stepped up his killer instinct and mean streak this season, and he has proven invaluable in the clutch. And how can you forget that he is the best free-throw shooter in the NBA, shoots almost or over 50% FG's, and over 40% from 3?

one thing I will give him is "ugliest player in the league":D

I hear what you are saying but two times is enough, it is time for some one else to get the light he deserves. I am by no way knocking Nash as he is one of the best players in the league but their are other players that deserve the recognition as well.

Maybe I can see Nash winning the MVP if he wins a championship this year.

[The White Guy]

i think nash is kind of cute haha...I agree with you that if Nash doesn't win a championship, it should be Dirk...By the way, its a damn shame Lebron isn't up in this MVP conversation, his ascension to MJ status has definately leveled off.

[nugsfreak]

i think nash is kind of cute haha...I agree with you that if Nash doesn't win a championship, it should be Dirk...By the way, its a damn shame Lebron isn't up in this MVP conversation, his ascension to MJ status has definately leveled off.

if melo did do the brainless act that one night would he be in consideration of MVP as well as he was playing before his suspension? what do you think?

[The White Guy]

Melo is definately top 2 or 3 MVP canidate, and I could care less about his suspension (especially since he does a lot of charity work in my hometown of baltimore)...Still, Dirk is on a better team and I don't even see the great Allen Iverson lifting the Nugs over the Mavs. By the way nugsfreak, Denver is my favorite team along with the wizards

[nugsfreak]

[QUOTE=The White Guy]Melo is definately top 2 or 3 MVP canidate, and I could care less about his suspension (especially since he does a lot of charity work in my hometown of baltimore)...Still, Dirk is on a better team and I don't even see the great Allen Iverson lifting the Nugs over the Mavs. By the way nugsfreak, Denver is my favorite team along with the wizards[/QUOT

Awesome! another Nuggets fan!:cheers:

anyway I hope the nuggets get past the first round and make some serious noise this post season. I live in Colorado and people here deserve a good showing in the post season. If Melo keeps up his #'s after his suspension he has to be considered a mvp candidate.

[The White Guy]

It would be great to see his numbers stay at that level, but wouldn't it be better if he learned to play with AI and they went deep in the playoffs? His numbers might go down, but thats what happens when two 30 ppg scorers are on the same team.

[nugsfreak]

It would be great to see his numbers stay at that level, but wouldn't it be better if he learned to play with AI and they went deep in the playoffs? His numbers might go down, but thats what happens when two 30 ppg scorers are on the same team.

yeah it would, if his #'s go down put his wins his first championship I would take that any day. I know I am getting ahead of my self though.

[Vishnu Redux]

T-Mac is still elite, you goddamned ****ing idiot.

Have you not seen him when he's healthy?

And, his leadership ability has always been underrated.

He carried those Orlando teams to places they shouldn't have been, and he's doing a fine job carrying his Rockets team this season with scoring surges and sound playmaking display even when being out of rhythm.

He's not, nor has he ever been overrated.

It's his 0 Playoff Exits which have been overemphasized.

[nugsfreak]

T-Mac is still elite, you goddamned ****ing idiot.

Have you not seen him when he's healthy?

And, his leadership ability has always been underrated.

He carried those Orlando teams to places they shouldn't have been, and he's doing a fine job carrying his Rockets team this season with scoring surges and sound playmaking display even when being out of rhythm.

He's not, nor has he ever been overrated.

It's his 0 Playoff Exits which have been overemphasized.

he is a good player but not a great player right now. if he can stay healthy for a long stretch then things might change.

[nugsfreak]

here's another name, Arenas.
A little underrated in my opinion.

[StroShow4]

T-Mac is still elite, you goddamned ****ing idiot.

Have you not seen him when he's healthy?

And, his leadership ability has always been underrated.

He carried those Orlando teams to places they shouldn't have been, and he's doing a fine job carrying his Rockets team this season with scoring surges and sound playmaking display even when being out of rhythm.

He's not, nor has he ever been overrated.

It's his 0 Playoff Exits which have been overemphasized.

key words: when he's healthy

[reppy]

i know it makes me look like a bitter Mavs fan but why in the hell is Wade getting credit for holding the Heat together w/o Shaq when their roster is pretty damn good and he plays in the East?

Not to mention that they're currently beating up on really crappy teams. They're what, 4-1? 5-1? Against who? Bad teams.

[elementally morale]

no one calls kobe overrated.

Do you read ISH?

[heavensdevil]

over

T-mac
Vince
Odom

Under

Monta ellis
Boozer
Okur

[Molson]

Over

Joe Johnson
Devin Harris
Michael Redd
Jameer Nelson
Igoudala

Under

Pierce
Josh Smith
Hamilton
Baron Davis
Kidd
Marion
Duncan
Anthony Parker

[JohnnyBravo5]

Josh Smith is wayyy underrated. By the end of the season he should avg
15ppg/8 reb/3 apg/3.0 blks which is sick. AK Jr.

[DeuceWallaces]

Overrated:

Gilbo: awful defense and shot selection will kill him playoff time
T-Mac: love him but can't stay healthy, playoff choker, and got caught with his foot in his mouth 1st round '03
Melo: Great scorer but what else? Bad leader, questionable character, which affects your teams on court play
Kevin Martin: Everybody can score, who cares
Chris Bosh: Such a great player, then why can't he win in the Craptantic?
Wade: Same as chris, so great? Why does his team suck right now in the east?
Memo: love his personality, but terribly inconsistent
Parker: Defense, shooting?
Ginobli: Flopper
J O'Neal: Soft as a marshmello, playoff choker
Howard, D.: Offense besides putbacks?

Underrated:
Paul Pierce: #1 underrated player by far
Maybe Tayshaun: plays so well on both ends, does all the little things, but maybe gets deserved respect these days.
AI: not enough give him due credit, great player, lays it all out on the floor, playoff success on a terrible team
Redd: shoots the lights out, tears up good teams like the Pistons all the time
Mo Pete: See Tayshaun, great all around player
Ray ALlen: not many trash him, but sure as hell isn't talked about enough.
Brand: Great all around player

Just right when you ignore Homers/Haters:

Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Shaq (1 or 2 years ago, who knows right now)
Billups
KG

[JtotheIzzo]

Overrated:

Gilbo: awful defense and shot selection will kill him playoff time
T-Mac: love him but can't stay healthy, playoff choker, and got caught with his foot in his mouth 1st round '03
Melo: Great scorer but what else? Bad leader, questionable character, which affects your teams on court play
Kevin Martin: Everybody can score, who cares
Chris Bosh: Such a great player, then why can't he win in the Craptantic?
Wade: Same as chris, so great? Why does his team suck right now in the east?
Memo: love his personality, but terribly inconsistent
Parker: Defense, shooting?
Ginobli: Flopper
J O'Neal: Soft as a marshmello, playoff choker
Howard, D.: Offense besides putbacks?

Underrated:
Paul Pierce: #1 underrated player by far
Maybe Tayshaun: plays so well on both ends, does all the little things, but maybe gets deserved respect these days.
AI: not enough give him due credit, great player, lays it all out on the floor, playoff success on a terrible team
Redd: shoots the lights out, tears up good teams like the Pistons all the time
Mo Pete: See Tayshaun, great all around player
Ray ALlen: not many trash him, but sure as hell isn't talked about enough.
Brand: Great all around player

Just right when you ignore Homers/Haters:

Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Shaq (1 or 2 years ago, who knows right now)
Billups
KG

good list, but how come Paul Pierce gets a pass for not winning in the 'Craplantic'?

[DeuceWallaces]

Good point, I'm not sure. He plays so well on both sides of the ball. I guess it would be cos he's had playoff success before, making it to the ECF in '02. Have to think about it and justify.

It's prolly cos all the Raptor fans are just overbearing with the Bosh hype and he hasn't done **** yet but score.

[Molson]

It's prolly cos all the Raptor fans are just overbearing with the Bosh hype and he hasn't done **** yet but score.

Yeah he is probably the worst rebounder in the paint. Doesn;t block shots. Has no mid range shot. No post game. Can't face up or beat anyone on the dribble. Is the easiest guy to defend in the NBA...most PF's can shut him down. shows zero intensity on the floor.

All this and he is already 22 yrs old and has been surrounded by so much talent.

You are right he is barely breathing on the floor.

[hwliuLAP]

Overrated:

Gilbo: awful defense and shot selection will kill him playoff time
T-Mac: love him but can't stay healthy, playoff choker, and got caught with his foot in his mouth 1st round '03
Melo: Great scorer but what else? Bad leader, questionable character, which affects your teams on court play
Kevin Martin: Everybody can score, who cares
Chris Bosh: Such a great player, then why can't he win in the Craptantic?
Wade: Same as chris, so great? Why does his team suck right now in the east?
Memo: love his personality, but terribly inconsistent
Parker: Defense, shooting?
Ginobli: Flopper
J O'Neal: Soft as a marshmello, playoff choker
Howard, D.: Offense besides putbacks?

Underrated:
Paul Pierce: #1 underrated player by far
Maybe Tayshaun: plays so well on both ends, does all the little things, but maybe gets deserved respect these days.
AI: not enough give him due credit, great player, lays it all out on the floor, playoff success on a terrible team
Redd: shoots the lights out, tears up good teams like the Pistons all the time
Mo Pete: See Tayshaun, great all around player
Ray ALlen: not many trash him, but sure as hell isn't talked about enough.
Brand: Great all around player

Just right when you ignore Homers/Haters:

Kobe
Dirk
Nash
Shaq (1 or 2 years ago, who knows right now)
Billups
KG


Good List
but bush was out for most of the time tho
I really don't think he's over rated
as he has shot a winning 3 this early on already
and the raptors could win the titanic

[DeuceWallaces]

I have Bosh on my Fantasy team, he has hardly missed anytime, and it's not just about this season, it's about the past too. I haven't seen much improvement and his team still sucks.

[Molson]

I have Bosh on my Fantasy team, he has hardly missed anytime, and it's not just about this season, it's about the past too. I haven't seen much improvement and his team still sucks.

haha...you really love getting the Raptor fans going...

[knickscity]

Bosh is an Elton Brand type of player. Not nearly as good, but won't help a teamon his own. Just pads his stats by being the best on the team. Needs a supporting cast to play with. They are people who think Bosh is as good as KG in craptor land which is nuts.

[DeuceWallaces]

That's my problem with the Bosh hype. They all want to say he's an elite player, but if you put a real elite player in his place like KG, Tim, Dirk, etc. that team is destroying the division and a playoff force.

[Molson]

Bosh is an Elton Brand type of player. Not nearly as good, but won't help a teamon his own. Just pads his stats by being the best on the team. Needs a supporting cast to play with. They are people who think Bosh is as good as KG in craptor land which is nuts.

I agree, it's very similar to how Knicks fans actually think that Curry is a good centre in this league.

[knickscity]

I agree, it's very similar to how Knicks fans actually think that Curry is a good centre in this league.

I believe it too, but it's partly because there arent that many post center in the league. Most are out of position players that are forced to play center, like Dwight Howard. But stats don't lie, 10 years ago Curry wouldn't be mentioned as a good center at all.

[Molson]

I believe it too, but it's partly because there arent that many post center in the league. Most are out of position players that are forced to play center, like Dwight Howard. But stats don't lie, 10 years ago Curry wouldn't be mentioned as a good center at all.

Actually i was just busting your chops. I think Bosh is an excellent player and at 22 is only going to get better. It's not hard to see why he could be better than KG when it's all said an done. I also think Curry is a legitimate threat at Center. The only other Center i have seen him really struggle against is Yao for obviious reasons. Curry's offensive games does not match up well against him. But against almost every other Center, he is a bad matchup. He is still growing as a player and i think he is only going to get better and better as he learns the game more. Do the Knicks have a big man coach working with him?

[bonez26]

Jose Calderon is underrated. Ricky Davis is overrrated

[DeuceWallaces]

It's not hard to see why he could be better than KG when it's all said an done.

Wow, that's really hard to see. He needs to become a shotblocker, rebounder (man he is a terrible rebounder many nights), on the ball defender, better and more consistent scorer...

I want to like Bosh, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself he's any different from Harrington on the Hawks. At least Harrington rebounded well.

[DreamRockets]

KG is a garbage shot blocker who avergaes less than 1.8 blocks per game in his career, he rarely ever avergaes more than 2 per game a season.

[IBall280]

agreed if garnett wants to help his team win he needs to play D

[DeuceWallaces]

KG is a garbage shot blocker who avergaes less than 1.8 blocks per game in his career, he rarely ever avergaes more than 2 per game a season.

Nearly 2 per game means you're a shot blocker, especially for someone who plays the high post a lot and isn't a center.

[Molson]

Wow, that's really hard to see. He needs to become a shotblocker, rebounder (man he is a terrible rebounder many nights), on the ball defender, better and more consistent scorer...

I want to like Bosh, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself he's any different from Harrington on the Hawks. At least Harrington rebounded well.

He has a better mid range game than KG and better handle. He drives to the rim better than KG but he is definitely not the shotbkocker that KG is (I'm not sure how anyone can say KG is a garbage shot blocker, whenever i watch him play he makes other players change their minds about driving...he is definitely feared in the paint). His rebounding can be inconsistent but at other times he has been dominant. Overall he averages 11.4 per game He does have to work on his on the ball defense but his scoring has been relatively consistent this year, just not dominant.

All in all though he is only 22 years old. Most players start to peak at about 25-26 so I imagine he will only get better.

[DeuceWallaces]

Most players start to peak their 3-4th year in the League, which for most is 25-26. Bosh will only become marginally better.

Bosh should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as KG.

[DreamRockets]

why is that ? what has garnett done other than collect pretty stats ? if bosh at any point makes the raptors a good team then he can surpass garnett, kg has acomplished nothing.

[Molson]

I want to like Bosh, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself he's any different from Harrington on the Hawks. At least Harrington rebounded well.

Just so I have this straight: You would take Harrington instead of Bosh if you were a GM?

If that's your choice, that's cool, just want to make sure i understand you correctly.

[DeuceWallaces]

Just so I have this straight: You would take Harrington instead of Bosh if you were a GM?

If that's your choice, that's cool, just want to make sure i understand you correctly.

No, I think they're both pretty crappy, and put up good stats on a bad team. I would take bosh now, but defintiely worry he's no different than Harrington on a team like the Hawks.

[CaminoChaos]

being a nuggets fan I seriously think Melo is an underrated player in the league as he plays for the nuggets a small market team. And he has yet to be voted in by the fans for an AllStar game.

most overrated player has to go to Steve Nash. The fact that he is being considered MVP for the THIRD strait season says it all. their are far more deserving players out there. such as i hate to say but Dirk.

what do you guys think.

The fact that he has the chance to win 3 MVP's puts him in the Underrated catagory.

Look at the players who have won it multiple times:
6 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
5 - Michael Jordan,
5 - Bill Russell,
4 - Wilt Chamberlain,
3 - Larry Bird,
3 - Magic Johnson,
3 - Moses Malone,

I definately wouldn't call any of them overrated. Would you?

[DeuceWallaces]

why is that ? what has garnett done other than collect pretty stats ? if bosh at any point makes the raptors a good team then he can surpass garnett, kg has acomplished nothing.

Wow, that's a lot of ingorance for 1 sentence. There's the part where he took his team to the playoffs, a pretty ****ty team, in a VERY tough Western Conference like 6 out of 7 years. ANd then there's the part where he went to the WCF and lost in 7 to the Lakers after Cassell went down.

THere's that part. Bosh can't even get in the playoffs, in the ****tiest division in the history of sports, in a historically bad Eastern Conference. Lets see Bosh take his team to the playoffs 7 times, including a 7 game WCF against a team featuring players as good as Shaq and Kobe.

[StroShow4]

No, I think they're both pretty crappy, and put up good stats on a bad team. I would take bosh now, but defintiely worry he's no different than Harrington on a team like the Hawks.


chris bosh is crappy?? he is alot better than al harrington and harrington isnt crappy either.

[New Jazzy Nets]

let me throw another name out there, Wade. underrated or overrated?

Overrated. he is one of the best slashers the league has seen but he isn't a very good shooter.

[saKf]

agreed if garnett wants to help his team win he needs to play D
Wow.

[DeuceWallaces]

chris bosh is crappy?? he is alot better than al harrington and harrington isnt crappy either.

Crappy compared to what Bosh fans think he is. Crappy is too strong. But in terms of leading a team to success, getting in the playoffs, making everyone around them better, and not just putting up numbers on a ****e team they're both crappy.

[Molson]

Crappy compared to what Bosh fans think he is. Crappy is too strong. But in terms of leading a team to success, getting in the playoffs, making everyone around them better, and not just putting up numbers on a ****e team they're both crappy.

Dude, it's his third season. If as a first and second year player you can't take your team to the playoffs you are a bad player? I'll be sure to mention that to Nowitzki, Nash, Billups, etc etc.

Not realy a fair assessment so early in his career imo.

[DeuceWallaces]

Well then the hype should be turned down about 10 notches. You wanna talk about him with KG, you wanna say he's elite? You can't have it both ways. If he's all those things he should at least have a winning record in that division. Gimme a break.

[knickscity]

why is that ? what has garnett done other than collect pretty stats ? if bosh at any point makes the raptors a good team then he can surpass garnett, kg has acomplished nothing.

You don't watch ball at all do you.

[Wuxia]

first of all, that is a hella bad attempt at spelling Ak's name. second, andrei didn't get voted in last year. He has only been in the ASG one year (in 2004) and he definately deserved it that year.

I think thats exactly how I would have spellled it, which is why I never try :P. I just call im AK.

[DreamRockets]

You don't watch ball at all do you.

the real question is: do YOU ? the guy has won 2 playoff series in his career, sorry for not breakin the confetti.

[DreamRockets]

Wow, that's a lot of ingorance for 1 sentence. There's the part where he took his team to the playoffs, a pretty ****ty team, in a VERY tough Western Conference like 6 out of 7 years. ANd then there's the part where he went to the WCF and lost in 7 to the Lakers after Cassell went down.

THere's that part. Bosh can't even get in the playoffs, in the ****tiest division in the history of sports, in a historically bad Eastern Conference. Lets see Bosh take his team to the playoffs 7 times, including a 7 game WCF against a team featuring players as good as Shaq and Kobe.

lol, im the one ignorant ? learn your nba history pretty boy, the lakers beat the wolves in 6 games, not 7, and shaq outplayed garnett all series through and through.

[DeuceWallaces]

Close enough, and he was without his PG, but that wasn't the point.

He's done a hell of a lot more than Bosh, and everyone seems to agree. But you're willing to break out the confetti for a guy who can't even get his team to finish .500 in one of the worst division and conferences in sports history.

[DeuceWallaces]

lol, im the one ignorant ?

Nice

[DreamRockets]

Close enough, and he was without his PG, but that wasn't the point.

He's done a hell of a lot more than Bosh, and everyone seems to agree. But you're willing to break out the confetti for a guy who can't even get his team to finish .500 in one of the worst division and conferences in sports history.

im not the one hyping bosh here, so dont put me in the same group as toronto groupies, but garnett has done nothing to be jealous of, so i think bosh could one day be as good as garnett, some people forget how average garnett was in his first years.

[Molson]

Well then the hype should be turned down about 10 notches. You wanna talk about him with KG, you wanna say he's elite? You can't have it both ways. If he's all those things he should at least have a winning record in that division. Gimme a break.

bro..go back and read what i wrote. I never said Bosh is as good as KG now, I said there is no reason to think he can't be as good as KG in the future. Not once did i say he was elite. In fact i even posted what i thought his weaknesses were and what he had to improve on.

Maybe you've had too many arguements with other guys about this, but let's argue on the same point.

[DeuceWallaces]

im not the one hyping bosh here, so dont put me in the same group as toronto groupies, but garnett has done nothing to be jealous of, so i think bosh could one day be as good as garnett, some people forget how average garnett was in his first years.

You just need to quit man. Just go away. THis was about KG and Bosh, and KG has done plenty for Bosh, and most NBA players, to be jealous of.

And yes, Molson, you didn't say he was as good now, but you're pretty confident, and in fact said could easily see him being as good. SO go back and read what I'm talking about before you entered the conversation. Bosh is overrated, he hasn't done crap but put up solid numbers on a crap team, in the worst division ever in sports, in a horrible conference, and if you put a true elite player, such as KG, on that team they're in the playoffs and possibly taking the East.

[DreamRockets]

You just need to quit man. Just go away. THis was about KG and Bosh, and KG has done plenty for Bosh, and most NBA players, to be jealous of.



name garnett acomplishments then ? i thought so biatch, losing in the 1st round is nothing to be jealous of, you are probably one of those idiots who just watch sportscenter and believe garnett is better than duncan.

[Molson]

And yes, Molson, you didn't say he was as good now, but you're pretty confident, and in fact said could easily see him being as good. SO go back and read what I'm talking about before you entered the conversation. Bosh is overrated, he hasn't done crap but put up solid numbers on a crap team, in the worst division ever in sports, in a horrible conference, and if you put a true elite player, such as KG, on that team they're in the playoffs and possibly taking the East.

when i judge a player, esp one that hasn;t had time to accomplish anything in his career yet, i make my judgements by what i see on teh court. Most teams that play Toronto end up saying Bosh is a huge problem for them because they can't guard him. I was not a Bosh fan when he first entered the league. I though the same as you that he was only putting up big numbers cuz the rest of the team bit a dog. But after watching him get better and better, seeing what he can actually do on the court when he plays, and hearing in interviews what every other coach is saying about him it's hard not to say he is gonna be as good if not better than KG eventually.

So i guess over or under rated comes down to what people are syaing about him. right now, coaches throughout the NBA say they have a big problem guarding him. who i am to say otherwise?

[knickscity]

bro..go back and read what i wrote. I never said Bosh is as good as KG now, I said there is no reason to think he can't be as good as KG in the future. Not once did i say he was elite. In fact i even posted what i thought his weaknesses were and what he had to improve on.

Maybe you've had too many arguements with other guys about this, but let's argue on the same point.

Bosh is not as good as KG right now. Let's see K.G. has made missed the playoffs twice in 11 seasons......as a roookie and last year. Guess what... both have involoved coaching changes. K.G. is regarded as an elite player because of what he has accomplished individually. 20 points 10 boards 4 assist 1 block a game and he is pretty durable. Bosh is overrated only by Raptor fans. Make the playoffs first. With a winning record. The EC is Garbage. Look who K.G. had to face every game he has played. If K.G. had spent 11 years in the east his stats would have been out the roof.

[poorlilrich]

Underrated
Carter
Billups
Artest

Overrated
Nash
Arenas
Odom

[StroShow4]

Underrated
Carter
Billups
Artest

Overrated
Nash
Arenas
Odom

arenas isnt overrated, odom isnt even close to being overrated

[knickscity]

im not the one hyping bosh here, so dont put me in the same group as toronto groupies, but garnett has done nothing to be jealous of, so i think bosh could one day be as good as garnett, some people forget how average garnett was in his first years.

Garnett > T McBroke-back

[DreamRockets]

im i suposed to be offended ? i know kg is better than mcgrady , who cares ? he still isnt better than some other players in the league, and garnett groupies cant accept it.

[poorlilrich]

arenas isnt overrated, odom isnt even close to being overrated

Anyone who thinks odom is a top 5 forward in the league is overrating him.

His jumper is average to below average and he is a below average freethrow

shooter. People overrate his defense and his ball handling skills. He is a good

passer but an average ball handler. His best attribute is his post up game.

Caron Butler is as good as odom.

[StroShow4]

Anyone who thinks odom is a top 5 forward in the league is overrating him.

His jumper is average to below average and he is a below average freethrow

shooter. People overrate his defense and his ball handling skills. He is a good

passer but an average ball handler. His best attribute is his post up game.

Caron Butler is as good as odom.


his jumper is better than average with 3 point range, his handles are amazing especially for a guy that is 6'11, and his post up game is great. he seems to be able to score whenever he wants to. he is so talented/tall/athletic that he can play all 5 positions.

[poorlilrich]

his jumper is better than average with 3 point range, his handles are amazing especially for a guy that is 6'11, and his post up game is great. he seems to be able to score whenever he wants to. he is so talented/tall/athletic that he can play all 5 positions.

He always seem to drive into traffic and lose the ball; he has amazing handles
for a guy who is 6'11, but he plays against sf not pf. He can score when ever
he wants to on the post, you cant give him the ball up top and ask him to score. He'll either brick a jumpshot or turn the ball over.

[StroShow4]

He always seem to drive into traffic and lose the ball; he has amazing handles
for a guy who is 6'11, but he plays against sf not pf. He can score when ever
he wants to on the post, you cant give him the ball up top and ask him to score. He'll either brick a jumpshot or turn the ball over.


not true... the lakers have a play where odom dribbles the ball up the court and takes his man 1 on 1... it is pretty successful.

[poorlilrich]

not true... the lakers have a play where odom dribbles the ball up the court and takes his man 1 on 1... it is pretty successful.

when they have a mismatch, of course odom can take him off the dribble; but you cant ask odom to take a sf off the dribble.

[Molson]

Bosh is not as good as KG right now. Let's see K.G. has made missed the playoffs twice in 11 seasons......as a roookie and last year. Guess what... both have involoved coaching changes. K.G. is regarded as an elite player because of what he has accomplished individually. 20 points 10 boards 4 assist 1 block a game and he is pretty durable. Bosh is overrated only by Raptor fans. Make the playoffs first. With a winning record. The EC is Garbage. Look who K.G. had to face every game he has played. If K.G. had spent 11 years in the east his stats would have been out the roof.

So you agree with me then that Bosh is not as good as KG now. Good. Now the question is can Bosh be as good as KG.

[knickscity]

So you agree with me then that Bosh is not as good as KG now. Good. Now the question is can Bosh be as good as KG.
If he improves on his defense then it's possible he could be. But he is in the EC. No excuse not to make the playoffs WITH a winning record. Unless you are ready to give credit to K.G. having Marbury and Wally on his team.

[knickscity]

Would the Knicks with the roster they have now, do you think they would have a winning record with Bosh instead of let's say Curry?

[NugzFan]

being a nuggets fan I seriously think Melo is an underrated player in the league as he plays for the nuggets a small market team. And he has yet to be voted in by the fans for an AllStar game.

most overrated player has to go to Steve Nash. The fact that he is being considered MVP for the THIRD strait season says it all. their are far more deserving players out there. such as i hate to say but Dirk.

what do you guys think.

dont let the fact that melo has never been voted in by fans be a reason to call him underrated. fans vote for the most popular - not the best player. AS voting is a joke.

[artest 93]

carmel is not undderated .he is overrate dimo. and people say he is the best scorer? I don't htink he is. i think its kobe and maybe gilbert. kobe can score like anyone or better and that is obvious. kobe is bigger and has better shots too.

undderrated? noone is. maybe dwight howard and josh howard.

and ai is also overrated. ihate people tha thave bad fg % and still scores 30ppg. that gets me mad.

[nugsfreak]

dont let the fact that melo has never been voted in by fans be a reason to call him underrated. fans vote for the most popular - not the best player. AS voting is a joke.

I hear ya
:cheers:

[nugsfreak]

carmel is not undderated .he is overrate dimo. and people say he is the best scorer? I don't htink he is. i think its kobe and maybe gilbert. kobe can score like anyone or better and that is obvious. kobe is bigger and has better shots too.

undderrated? noone is. maybe dwight howard and josh howard.

and ai is also overrated. ihate people tha thave bad fg % and still scores 30ppg. that gets me mad.

tell me how melo is overrated?

[El Gato Negro]

:lol