If Jordan gets a pass for 95, why doesn't LeBron for this year

[eliteballer]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

Jordan was coached by Phil Jackson, LeBron has Spoelstra

He had Peak Pippen, Ron Harper who was doing 20/6/5 in 94, 94 All-Star BJ Armstrong, the "Euro Jordan" in Kukoc, and still lost to 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny with the elimination game coming in CHICAGO

Dude comes back drops 55 on one of the best defensive teams in the league, and yall want us to believe that 2 MONTHS LATER when he's averaging his highest playoff stats post 93 he's somehow....not himself

Training camp itself is 2 weeks......not 2 MONTHS

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.

[stallionaire]

Excellent point. Haters won't listen though. Lebron is getting jobbed by having to deal with Spo, no bosh, and a terrible D-Wade.

Best player in the league has to deal with a bad team just like the cavs days.

[guy]

Maybe cause Lebron isn't a 3x champion already?

[chairman]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.
:facepalm

[ILLsmak]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

Jordan was coached by Phil Jackson, LeBron has Spoelstra

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.

wow are you talking about the year Jordan came back from baseball and wore number 45?

-Smak

[gengiskhan]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

Jordan was coached by Phil Jackson, LeBron has Spoelstra

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.

Only a laker fan = laker stan = closet kobe'tard would write such a thing. :facepalm

[juju151111]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

Jordan was coached by Phil Jackson, LeBron has Spoelstra

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.
Probably because MJ had 3 rings.

[eliteballer]

Doesnt matter how many other championships Jordan won because LeBron's career isnt over yet

[Teanett]

are you on crack?
:biggums:

[AceManIII]

:biggums:

[Jimmy2k8]

Excellent point. Haters won't listen though. Lebron is getting jobbed by having to deal with Spo, no bosh, and a terrible D-Wade.

Best player in the league has to deal with a bad team just like the cavs days.

No one held a gun to Lebron's head when he signed with the Heat. And according to Lebron, he said it was going to be easy winning those championships.
No excuses. And if Lebron is al great, he should be able to lead his team.without Bosh and a supposed bad D Wade with a terrible coach.

[chairman]

Doesnt matter how many other championships Jordan won because LeBron's career isnt over yet
Hahahahahaha wow you're so stupid please keep posting and keep us entertained

[Derka]

"Not 1, not 2..." and "Once the games start, its gonna be easy!"

These two statements right here pretty much took away any right he has to a pass. When you're gonna write a check with your mouth, make damn sure your ass cashes it, son.

I gave him his pass in Cleveland, to be honest. He worked his ass off for that franchise and the best they could do was "Here's Antawn Jamison and a guy named Booby. Make it happen!"

[Rose]

"Not 1, not 2..." and "Once the games start, its gonna be easy!"

These two statements right here pretty much took away any right he has to a pass. When you're gonna write a check with your mouth, make damn sure your ass cashes it, son.

I gave him his pass in Cleveland, to be honest. He worked his ass off for that franchise and the best they could do was "Here's Antawn Jamison and a guy named Booby. Make it happen!"
:roll:

Aside from 2010, I agree. And I'm fairly certain that he's going to regret quitting that year, for the rest of his life. Because if he hadn't they easily dismantle the C's, and then go on and beat the Lakers.

[eliteballer]

Dudes act like Jordan was away from the game for 10 years....it was a year and a half and he was in his prime still playing pickup with nba and college players

[guy]

Dudes act like Jordan was away from the game for 10 years....it was a year and a half and he was in his prime still playing pickup with nba and college players

And you're acting like Lebron already has 3 titles and has nothing to prove like Jordan did at the time. Lebron hasn't lived up to his hype yet, while Jordan clearly surpassed it even at that point. Thats why its not the same.

[ronniec]

Dudes act like Jordan was away from the game for 10 years....it was a year and a half and he was in his prime still playing pickup with nba and college players

Probably you were sucking Lebron with Pauk when typing this.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Doesnt matter how many other championships Jordan won because LeBron's career isnt over yet
This nikka is crazy....

[AceManIII]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/new_thread_cat.gif

[El Kabong]

Dudes act like Jordan was away from the game for 10 years....it was a year and a half and he was in his prime still playing pickup with nba and college players
Playing pickup ball occasionally isn't anything like playing NBA games and practicing multiple times a week. Your skills would deteriate no matter who you are. Ray Allen is a great shooter, but he still has to practice hundreds of shots a day to stay that good.

[gengiskhan]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

Jordan was coached by Phil Jackson, LeBron has Spoelstra

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.

Phil who ?????????

ESPN Sportscentury Michael Jordan:

"...Phil Jackson was never the coach of the Team. It was Michael Jordan. Its Jordan's standards they had to live up to. Its Jordan they feared the most...."

Michael Jordan made Phil Jackson into who he was when he took LAL job as 6 times championship winning head coach.

Take MJ out of the bulls. Phil will be loosing NBA finals & playoffs to:

-Magic's LAL 1991
-1992 & 1993 knicks just like Phil & Pippen & co lost to 1994 knicks
-1996 sonics
-1997 Jazz
-1998 Pacers

Phil should be kissing the floor MJ walks on. He literally made Phil's legacy. We all know how a good coach like Doc River's exposed Phil Jackson in 2008 finals. :coleman:

[pauk]

There is just to much expectations from Lebron.... from me aswell...

But the way i see it is like this... i only want Lebron to perform up to his standards (which he is doing right now)... winning a championship is a team accomplishment, so everything else is completely out of his hands.... how his teammates make shots, pass, rebound, hustle, block, steal, deflect, defend is COMPLETELY out of his hands.... a player can control only how HE plays.. he can help his teammates get better shots by facilitating or he can motivate them with his speech.... but the talent-skill their teammates have cant miraculously get boosted...

Many people refuse to get this and act like a championship is the act of one man.... if that was the case, if this was a 1 on 1 game, believe you me Lebron would had at least a couple of championships right now...

[The Iron Fist]

Only Jordan stans give him a pass.

[Sarcastic]

I didn't know that Lebron was playing baseball for 1.5 years and is not in basketball shape.. In that case, then he should get a pass.

[The Iron Fist]

Playing pickup ball occasionally isn't anything like playing NBA games and practicing multiple times a week. Your skills would deteriate no matter who you are. Ray Allen is a great shooter, but he still has to practice hundreds of shots a day to stay that good.
So if you havent rode a bike for ten years you need to take a refresher course with training wheels?

[guy]

Its already funny that Laker fans think Kobe is comparable to Jordan. Now they are trying to compare Lebron to Jordan :oldlol:

[Tenchi Ryu]

I didn't know that Lebron was playing baseball for 1.5 years and is not in basketball shape.. In that case, then he should get a pass.
I didn't even know Lebron already had 3 rings....unless we counting the infamous hypothetical ones.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Because LeBron's abysmal performance last year needs to be made up this year. The only way that happens is if he wins this year. That's mainly the reason why.

Also Jordan is satisfied with 6 rings. Don't go back in history and ask why LeBron should be treated like Jordan.:facepalm

[AceManIII]

These few Laker stans are REALLY embarrassing themselves right now

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[El Kabong]

So if you havent rode a bike for ten years you need to take a refresher course with training wheels?
No, but say you used to do tricks on a bike like Matt Hoffman. You think you're going to pull them off as seamlessly as you did when you did them every day and practiced every day if you then stopped for 18 months and only half heartedly practiced every couple of weeks?

[Crown&Coke]

dude came back late in the season.
other than maybe 3 players, the rest of the guys had never played with MJ
pick up games is not NBA games
Jordan couldn't even get #23 due to it being retired
Bball shape doesn't happen in the blink of an eye

MJ getting a pass? I think he earned that "pass"

LBJ is a terrific player, but we need to stop comparing him to MJ, Bird, Magic, Big O.... he is a different player, and should be treated as such. The stans are killing him with their blowfests, and the haters are killing him for every mistake. Stans gone stan, and haters gone hate, but let the man play ball and enjoy it while it lasts

[AMISTILLILL]

Yeah, both seasons are definitely comparable.
















































:facepalm

[andgar923]

:roll: KObe fans.

[QUIZZLE]

Excellent point. Haters won't listen though. Lebron is getting jobbed by having to deal with Spo, no bosh, and a terrible D-Wade.

Best player in the league has to deal with a bad team just like the cavs days.

Stop being salty cause you made a RETARDED prediction.

He wasn't proclaiming 100 guaranteed championships like LBGAY.

[RaininTwos]

"Not 1, not 2..." and "Once the games start, its gonna be easy!"

These two statements right here pretty much took away any right he has to a pass. When you're gonna write a check with your mouth, make damn sure your ass cashes it, son.

I gave him his pass in Cleveland, to be honest. He worked his ass off for that franchise and the best they could do was "Here's Antawn Jamison and a guy named Booby. Make it happen!"

Sometimes I wonder if I saw a different video than everyone else. dude was just trash talking to get the crowd hype, people still clinging onto his words years later like he's Cervantes.

[tontoz]

Dudes act like Jordan was away from the game for 10 years....it was a year and a half and he was in his prime still playing pickup with nba and college players


He only played 17 games that year. :facepalm

[OldSchoolBBall]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

Jordan was coached by Phil Jackson, LeBron has Spoelstra

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.

LMFAO @ this troll. :oldlol:

[El Kabong]

He only played 17 games that year. :facepalm
He did beat the Monstars though. That has to count for something.

[Tenchi Ryu]

He did beat the Monstars though. That has to count for something.
This is true....

[Glide2keva]

dude came back late in the season.
other than maybe 3 players, the rest of the guys had never played with MJ
pick up games is not NBA games
Jordan couldn't even get #23 due to it being retired
Bball shape doesn't happen in the blink of an eye

MJ getting a pass? I think he earned that "pass"

LBJ is a terrific player, but we need to stop comparing him to MJ, Bird, Magic, Big O.... he is a different player, and should be treated as such. The stans are killing him with their blowfests, and the haters are killing him for every mistake. Stans gone stan, and haters gone hate, but let the man play ball and enjoy it while it lastsHad to correct this. Jordan CHOSE to wear 45 because that was his baseball number. He was starting fresh and wanted to wear that number.

By the time the playoffs started, he changed to 23 against NBA rules and got fined for it every game he wore it, because you can't change numbers during the season. Had nothing to do with it being retired because it was HIS number. HE chose to wear 45.

[Glide2keva]

He only played 17 games that year. :facepalm
19 games.

[I.R.Beast]

Wade - 22ppg, 46%fg, 5 rebs, 5 assists 1.2 steals and 2 bpg

Westbrook 18 ppg 37%fg 6 rebs 7 assists 1 stl 1 bpg.


Durants side kick has been statically worse than Wade..... Wade has had bad 1st halves, still a whole half to go in which all these games were tight and wade played well.

STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!

[OldSchoolBBall]

Dudes act like Jordan was away from the game for 10 years....it was a year and a half and he was in his prime still playing pickup with nba and college players

No, dickhead troll, it was 21 months, not 18 months. That's nearly 2 years. He played 21 games total before the Orlando series and wasn't in game shape, or game sharp, at all.

[Crown&Coke]

Had to correct this. Jordan CHOSE to wear 45 because that was his baseball number. He was starting fresh and wanted to wear that number.

By the time the playoffs started, he changed to 23 against NBA rules and got fined for it every game he wore it, because you can't change numbers during the season. Had nothing to do with it being retired because it was HIS number. HE chose to wear 45.

I hate you

Thx for the correction

[I.R.Beast]

There is just to much expectations from Lebron.... from me aswell...

But the way i see it is like this... i only want Lebron to perform up to his standards (which he is doing right now)... winning a championship is a team accomplishment, so everything else is completely out of his hands.... how his teammates make shots, pass, rebound, hustle, block, steal, deflect, defend is COMPLETELY out of his hands.... a player can control only how HE plays.. he can help his teammates get better shots by facilitating or he can motivate them with his speech.... but the talent-skill their teammates have cant miraculously get boosted...

Many people refuse to get this and act like a championship is the act of one man.... if that was the case, if this was a 1 on 1 game, believe you me Lebron would had at least a couple of championships right now...
PAUK please just shut up...we always hear how james makes this person better that perosn better. HE MAKES THEM WORSE.....the NBA will always be a CLOSERS league...james dont have what it takes.

[caliman]

Is this a serious question? I hope not.

It's pretty easy to see why MJ got a pass for 95. He had enough cred built up to earn. Three titles, multiple MVP's, etc. Not to mention that he came back with 17 games left in the season with a body that was built for baseball, not basketball. And he more than validated the pass that he got in 95 by leading the Bulls to 3 more titles from 96-98.

[L8k3r5]

Because at that point in 1995, Jordan had already proven he can win championships. He already had 3 rings. In this case, Lebron still has to prove he can win it all. Simple as that. Also another thing, Jordan just recently came out of retirement that year too.

[comerb]

Dudes act like Jordan was away from the game for 10 years....it was a year and a half and he was in his prime still playing pickup with nba and college players

He didn't even play the full year, he didn't come back til like March of that year.

[Blue&Orange]

Excellent point.
lol


Let me guess, stallionaire = Pauk

[JohnnySic]

Jordan was already the undisputed GOAT by '93 if not '92.

LeBron, not so much.

[Legends66NBA7]

Well, I needed a good laugh today.

Good job, troll.

[TheMan]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

Jordan was coached by Phil Jackson, LeBron has Spoelstra

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.
Retarded thread is retarded.

Real talk.

[TheMan]

Dudes act like Jordan was away from the game for 10 years....it was a year and a half and he was in his prime still playing pickup with nba and college players
Let's all act like he wasn't playing baseball for the White Sox organization, shall we? He had built his body for baseball and when he came back, he wasn't totally in basketball shape, that's why he made some very un Jordan like turnovers that cost us that series. He dedicated himself to get back to his basketball form and proceeded to rape the NBA the next 3 years.

[pierce2008mvp]

Orlando was the #1 seed, the Bulls were the #5 seed.
Bulls had not much as far as expectations that season.

Orlando had the best record in the East, the Bulls the 5th best record.

In this scenario the Heat had the 2nd best record in the East (really the best record since Rose was out for Chicago) and the Heat have had HCA in each series. Not to mention was heavily favorite over Boston even without Bosh who were the #4 seed (5th best record in conference).

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/matchup/_/teams/heat-celtics
Every analyst picked them over Boston.


And here were the expectations even before the season started. Boston did not get a single vote.

http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2011/story/_/page/Predictions1112-nbachamp/nba-nba-champion-predictions

2011-2012 NBA Champs



Results: Miami Heat (25), Chicago Bulls (3), Oklahoma City Thunder (2).




http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2011/story/_/page/Predictions1112-East/nba-east-champion-predictions

2011-2012 Eastern Champs



Results: Miami Heat (27), Chicago Bulls (3).




http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2011/story/_/page/Predictions1112-West/nba-west-champion-predictions

2011-2012 Western Champs

Results: Oklahoma City Thunder (26 votes), Los Angeles Lakers (2 votes), Dallas Mavericks (1 vote), Los Angeles Clippers (1 vote).



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/12/22/crystal.ball/index.html?sct=nba_t11_a3




The Heat and Thunder were unanimously selected to win their conferences
Heat are favored to win it all, Thunder forward Kevin Durant predicted to win MVP

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/12/22/crystal.ball/index.html#ixzz1hNNChglz



Not to mention the fact that the Heat were up 2-0 in the series while having HCA.

[eliteballer]

LOL he wasn't in basketball shape.

The dude wasn't injured. He dropped 55 on the Knicks in his 5th game back. 2 months later was having his highest playoff stats post 93.

He had Peak Pippen, Ron Harper who was doing 20/6/5 in 94, 94 All-Star BJ Armstrong, the "Euro Jordan" in Kukoc, and still lost to 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny with the elimination game coming in CHICAGO

[TheMan]

LOL he wasn't in basketball shape.

The dude wasn't injured. He dropped 55 on the Knicks in his 5th game back. 2 months later was having his highest playoff stats post 93.

He had Peak Pippen, Ron Harper who was doing 20/6/5 in 94, 94 All-Star BJ Armstrong, the "Euro Jordan" in Kukoc, and still lost to 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny AND he was up 2-1 in the series!!!
Then swept them a year later...and won 3 more titles and FMVPs...nice try but fail.

[eliteballer]

Horace Grant barely played in the 96 series and the Bulls got Rodman. It would be like taking away Garnett from the Celtics and giving him to the Heat

[ConanRulesNBC]

How about because Jordan came back pretty much at the end of the season and it's unbelievable what he even accomplished that season not having a training camp with the team before the season or even really practicing with the team that much before he came back. I think he literally made the decision to come back and played a couple days later.

This thread is ****ing stupid.

[eliteballer]

Dude comes back drops 55 on one of the best defensive teams in the league, and yall want us to believe that 2 MONTHS LATER when he's averaging his highest playoff stats post 93 he's somehow....not himself:oldlol:

Training camp itself is 2 weeks......not 2 MONTHS

I'm just laying down the FACTS. Yall got....MJ air time dvd's your drooling over. Cut da rhetoric, you can't argue FACTS

[eliteballer]

http://www.maniacworld.com/muhammad-ali.jpg

"Jordan Jockers DOWN.....ELITE-BUMBAYEE ELITE-BUMBAYEE!!!"

[eliteballer]

Dude dropped 55, then had a 2 month training camp including regular season games and a playoff series before the Orlando series...but he was somehow "not himself":rolleyes:

[AMISTILLILL]

OP is mad; enjoys french kissing sailors.

[BlackVVaves]

OP, you're asking why a player who

won 3 titles by the time 95 came around, and went on to win 3 more titles the VERY NEXT 3 years

with the SAME FRANCHISE he started with and never quit on despite the many hardships in his earlier days

gets a "pass" over a player who quit on his team in an elimination game in 2010, left his team to join two other Top 15 players in the league, went on to average 18 ****ING PPG IN THE ****ING NBA FINALS, SCORING LESS THAN 10 POINTS IN THE FOURTH QUARTERS OF A 6 GAME SERIES COMBINED, and gets eliminated despite being the superior team?

Are you really serious right now????

Are you REALLY comparing Scottie Pippen or Ron ****ing Harper to Dwayne Wade???


I thought you were a quality poster. Ya learn something new everyday.

[eliteballer]

Peak Pippen>Declining Wade

[Glide2keva]

I hate you

Thx for the correction
:cheers:

[DuMa]

only kobe stans would try to justify trying to defend lebron in order to try to bring's jordan legacy down a peg, to try to help kobe's career look somewhat comparable

[swi7ch]

I didn't realize LBJ went into retirement for two years. :facepalm

[eliteballer]

Facts about 95:

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now. 96 they got Rodman an the Magic lost Ho Grant. Its like taking Garnett away from the Celtics and giving him to the Heat.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

He had Peak Pippen, Ron Harper who was doing 20/6/5 in 94, 94 All-Star BJ Armstrong, the "Euro Jordan" in Kukoc, and still lost to 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny with the elimination game coming in CHICAGO

Jordan comes back drops 55 on one of the best defensive teams in the league, and you want us to believe that 2 MONTHS LATER when he's averaging his highest playoff stats post 93 he's somehow....not himself

Training camp itself is 2 weeks......not 2 MONTHS

Jordan lost to a team led by a 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny.



PROVE.ME.WRONG!!!!!:pimp:

[swi7ch]

Just to remind everyone, here's what Jordan and the Bulls did after that ORL loss the OP is talkinga bout:

* nba title
* 72-10 record in the regular season
* 15-3 record in the playoffs
* all-star mvp, regular season mvp, and finals mvp in jordan
* phil jackson won coach of the year award
* kukoc won the 6th man award
* jordan's 30.4 ppg led the league (was 3rd in steals at 2.2)
* rodman's 14.9 rpg led the league
* jordan and pippen were named to the 1st team all nba team
* jordan, pippen, rodman were named to the 1st team all defensive team
* kerr was second in the league in 3 pt percentage


Also swept the Magic that year.

[caliman]

LOL he wasn't in basketball shape.

The dude wasn't injured. He dropped 55 on the Knicks in his 5th game back. 2 months later was having his highest playoff stats post 93.

He had Peak Pippen, Ron Harper who was doing 20/6/5 in 94, 94 All-Star BJ Armstrong, the "Euro Jordan" in Kukoc, and still lost to 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny with the elimination game coming in CHICAGO



Why are you talking about what 1994 Ron Harper did? The 1995 version of Ron Harper was at 7/2/2. BJ Armstrong was the role player that he always was.

As has been stated many times, MJ earned a pass in 1995, then validated it from 96-98. Any more questions?

[eliteballer]

Facts about 95:

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now. 96 they got Rodman an the Magic lost Ho Grant. Its like taking Garnett away from the Celtics and giving him to the Heat.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

He had Peak Pippen, Ron Harper who was doing 20/6/5 in 94, 94 All-Star BJ Armstrong, the "Euro Jordan" in Kukoc, and still lost to 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny with the elimination game coming in CHICAGO

Jordan comes back drops 55 on one of the best defensive teams in the league, and you want us to believe that 2 MONTHS LATER when he's averaging his highest playoff stats post 93 he's somehow....not himself

Training camp itself is 2 weeks......not 2 MONTHS

Jordan lost to a team led by a 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny.


NO PASS

[eliteballer]

I thought Jordan didnt need excuses............:pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

[pierce2008mvp]

I thought Jordan didnt need excuses............:pimp: :pimp: :pimp:
He doesn't. that is why he is 24-0 in series with HCA and 14-0 against 50+ win teams. Lebron has already lost 3 series with HCA and if he loses to the Celtics it will be 4 series with HCA. Not to mention it would be 4 years in a row where he lost with HCA. Not to mention this would be the 3rd time that Lebron has won MVP and lost the series in the playoffs while having the higher seed, better record, HCA in the series.

[eliteballer]

He doesn't. that is why he is 24-0 in series with HCA and 14-0 against 50+ win teams. Lebron has already lost 3 series with HCA and if he loses to the Celtics it will be 4 series with HCA. Not to mention it would be 4 years in a row where he lost with HCA.

All that means is he couldnt win without homecourt advantage in 7 of his 13 years as a Bull...........

Guess they reopened the slaughterhouses chitown is famous for...cause elite SLAUGHTERING bulls!:pimp:

[pierce2008mvp]

All that means is he couldnt win without homecourt advantage in 7 of his 13 years as a Bull...........

Guess they reopened the slaughterhouses chitown is famous for...cause elite SLAUGHTERING bulls!:pimp:
all it means is he lost to the superior team in those years. Every year he lost he lost to a team that was a higher seed that either won the title or was in the finals. He never lost to a team seeded lower than 2nd.

[The Iron Fist]

Dude dropped 55, then had a 2 month training camp including regular season games and a playoff series before the Orlando series...but he was somehow "not himself":rolleyes:
:applause:

[The Iron Fist]

Sometimes I wonder if I saw a different video than everyone else. dude was just trash talking to get the crowd hype, people still clinging onto his words years later like he's Cervantes.
The only other player I can remember making such a bold statement was Magic when he guaranteed a repeat.

He made true on his promise. Or was he just " talking trash"?

[Da_Realist]

OP, you're asking why a player who

won 3 titles by the time 95 came around, and went on to win 3 more titles the VERY NEXT 3 years

with the SAME FRANCHISE he started with and never quit on despite the many hardships in his earlier days

gets a "pass" over a player who quit on his team in an elimination game in 2010, left his team to join two other Top 15 players in the league, went on to average 18 ****ING PPG IN THE ****ING NBA FINALS, SCORING LESS THAN 10 POINTS IN THE FOURTH QUARTERS OF A 6 GAME SERIES COMBINED, and gets eliminated despite being the superior team?

Are you really serious right now????

Are you REALLY comparing Scottie Pippen or Ron ****ing Harper to Dwayne Wade???


I thought you were a quality poster. Ya learn something new everyday.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[guy]

All that means is he couldnt win without homecourt advantage in 7 of his 13 years as a Bull...........

Guess they reopened the slaughterhouses chitown is famous for...cause elite SLAUGHTERING bulls!:pimp:

Actually, he's won 6 playoff series without HCA.

[Da_Realist]

All that means is he couldnt win without homecourt advantage in 7 of his 13 years as a Bull...........

Without Homecourt Advantage
1989 vs Cavs WON
1989 vs Knicks WON
1993 vs Knicks WON
1993 vs Suns WON
1995 vs Hornets WON
1998 vs Jazz WON

[ILLsmak]

The only other player I can remember making such a bold statement was Magic when he guaranteed a repeat.

He made true on his promise. Or was he just " talking trash"?

Didn't Shaq do that, too? I remember him promising to bring a ring.

But saying you're going to just dominate for years on end is ridiculous. Promising a repeat or even promising a win is not a big deal because IF YOU LOSE, why does it matter if you were wrong?

-Smak

[josh99]

Doesnt matter how many other championships Jordan won because LeBron's career isnt over yet
:roll: :roll:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Without Homecourt Advantage
1989 vs Cavs WON
1989 vs Knicks WON
1993 vs Knicks WON
1993 vs Suns WON
1995 vs Hornets WON
1998 vs Jazz WON

By contrast, Kobe hasn't won a single series without HCA since Shaq left, and only 3 with him anyway. Is anyone surprised?

[caliman]

By contrast, Kobe hasn't won a single series without HCA since Shaq left, and only 3 with him anyway. Is anyone surprised?


To be fair, only the 1989 series against Cleveland and New York were the Bulls not favored to win, and I think they were toss ups. Kobe's Lakers have only been the favorites in 1 series without HCA since Shaq left, the 2008 Finals. All others they were the heavy underdogs.

[guy]

By contrast, Kobe hasn't won a single series without HCA since Shaq left, and only 3 with him anyway. Is anyone surprised?

To be fair, it was 5 with Shaq, but they were all with Shaq.

[OldSchoolBBall]

To be fair, only the 1989 series against Cleveland and New York were the Bulls not favored to win, and I think they were toss ups.

That's not true at all. Many people picked the Suns in '93 and '98 Jazz to win it. I think the '93 Knicks, too.

Point being, why is this dickrider eliteballer talking about winning without HCA to begin with when his hero has never even done so as the leader of his team?

[guy]

To be fair, only the 1989 series against Cleveland and New York were the Bulls not favored to win, and I think they were toss ups. Kobe's Lakers have only been the favorites in 1 series without HCA since Shaq left, the 2008 Finals. All others they were the heavy underdogs.

Bulls were not favored in any of them except vs the Hornets in 95. And the 89 series' were not toss ups and neither was the 93 ECF or the 98 Finals. The opponents were favored. You can argue that the 93 finals was a tossup.

[eliteballer]

We're not talking about individual series....we're talking about CHAMPIONSHIPS.

In 7 of his 13 seasons as a Bull Jordan couldnt win a title because he didnt have homecourt advantage at some point.

If he did...he would have won since he is undefeated with homecourt advantage.

[guy]

We're not talking about individual series....we're talking about CHAMPIONSHIPS.

In 7 of his 13 seasons as a Bull Jordan couldnt win a title because he didnt have homecourt advantage at some point.

If he did...he would have won since he is undefeated with homecourt advantage.

Not exactly sure what's your point. Are you knocking him cause he didn't have HCA in every series he's played in? Are you saying he absolutely needed HCA to win titles? Cause some of those series mentioned did occur in the title years.

[Da_Realist]

That's not true at all. Many people picked the Suns in '93 and '98 Jazz to win it. I think the '93 Knicks, too.

Point being, why is this dickrider eliteballer talking about winning without HCA to begin with when his hero has never even done so as the leader of his team?


Bulls were not favored in any of them except vs the Hornets in 95. And the 89 series' were not toss ups and neither was the 93 ECF or the 98 Finals. The opponents were favored. You can argue that the 93 finals was a tossup.

Both of these are right.

[bwink23]

LOL he wasn't in basketball shape.

The dude wasn't injured. He dropped 55 on the Knicks in his 5th game back. 2 months later was having his highest playoff stats post 93.

He had Peak Pippen, Ron Harper who was doing 20/6/5 in 94, 94 All-Star BJ Armstrong, the "Euro Jordan" in Kukoc, and still lost to 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny with the elimination game coming in CHICAGO


Yet he didn't have any lift and he shot 41%FG in those 17 games...very unlike PRIME MJ. :no:

[Vertical-24]

U mad?

[97 bulls]

The difference is its obvious that james doesnt want the big moment. I think he only does it to try to quiet his critics. I mean, why would you pass the ball to shane battier with a man on him? Why pass the ball to a rookie norris cole? Both in the waining momets of a close tough game.

James needs to stop worrying about what people are gonna say and think about him and just do him.

Jordan didnt play bad vs orlando. He made some bad decisions but they were agressive. And he wasnt trying to steer clear of the ball. Its clear the bulls problem was that they needed some help down low.

[Jailblazers7]

Lebron doesn't get a pass because he shouldn't need one. People don't care about '95 because it is one disappointment in the middle of 6 championships.

[StarJordan]

because Jordan's off year after layoff would be like epic dream year for kobo...jordan's slow year > kobe's prime

[Roundball_Rock]

Both of these are right.

Especially the 98' Finals. Pretty much everyone thought the Bulls were out of gas since they narrowly beat the Pacers in the ECF in 7 games while the Jazz swept the Shaq and 3 other all-star Lakers in the WCF...

[necya]

Real talk.

Jordan lost in 95 without an inside rebounding/defensive presence PF like LeBron is now.

Jordan put up better playoff stats in 95 than 96, 97, or 98.

Jordan was coached by Phil Jackson, LeBron has Spoelstra

He had Peak Pippen, Ron Harper who was doing 20/6/5 in 94, 94 All-Star BJ Armstrong, the "Euro Jordan" in Kukoc, and still lost to 3rd year Shaq and 2nd year Penny with the elimination game coming in CHICAGO

Dude comes back drops 55 on one of the best defensive teams in the league, and yall want us to believe that 2 MONTHS LATER when he's averaging his highest playoff stats post 93 he's somehow....not himself

Training camp itself is 2 weeks......not 2 MONTHS

LeBron is losing to a battle tested championship veteran team.

Jordan lost to a team led by two 3rd and 2nd year players.

glad to be an asshole ? well played

[dude77]

this thread right here .. full of fail .. lots of fail