Is the Michael Jordan of the late 80's better than the Michael Jordan of the 90's?

[yeahwhathesaid]

statistically the pre championship jordan is better in almost every category except for 3 pt shooting. Jordan from the late 80's was a far better defensive player than he was in the 90's. and you cant say jordan didnt have a jumper back then, because his ft percentage is actually higher than in the 90's. also his ppg is higher.

[ShannonElements]

Personally, I think MJ was at his best in the early 90's. That's when he had his best combination of athleticism, smarts, and experience, as well as more shooting range.

[Thorpesaurous]

You don't shoot jumpers from the Free Throw line.

Jordan was at his peak during the first threepeat.

[ShannonElements]

You don't shoot jumpers from the Free Throw line.

Yeah, what he said.

:roll:

[HALLandOATES]

80's-early 90's Jordan was obvisously more athletic, while the mid 90's Jordan was much more of a leader and wiser. So the dispute is between a Super Young althletic man or a Little bit older man that maybe lost a tiny step but has more smarts and still creams over everyone by a mile. Can't decide yet

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

well obviously younger PRime Jordan was the superior player


but older Jordan learned how to play within the team scope... and still take over at the right times... to lead to more champinosihps

[ShannonElements]

well obviously younger PRime Jordan was the superior player


but older Jordan learned how to play within the team scope... and still take over at the right times... to lead to more champinosihps

That's why I think MJ was at his peak in the early 90's. He stil had the athleticism, yet he was wiser and smarter and could lead a team.

[JohnnySic]

This thread reminds me of that old cmmercial where "old" Jordan was challenged by "young" Jordan. Ran mid/late 90's, I think...

[ShannonElements]

This thread reminds me of that old cmmercial where "old" Jordan was challenged by "young" Jordan. Ran mid/late 90's, I think...

Ah, no kiddin'? I'd like to see it. Link?

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

moreover, unless you've found a way to disaggregate Michael's career shooting percentage from outside jumpshots and inside shots, you should not look at his FG% as an indication he is a good shooter. he could merely have been drivin to the basket a lot (and he did a lot early in his career)

[Fatal9]

Prime Jordan was like Thorp said during the first three peat. He had the perfect mix of athelicsm and expierence.


This thread reminds me of that old cmmercial where "old" Jordan was challenged by "young" Jordan. Ran mid/late 90's, I think...

I always wondered how they did that. It was the gatorade one right? I was amazed by it.

[ShannonElements]

Found it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL6pYmybB9Y&search=michael%20jordan%20commercial

Cool commercial. UNC Jordan even makes an appearance.

[jamal]

that commerical ran in 2003, MJs last year, and can definatley be found on youtube.

[yeahwhathesaid]

the unc jordan and the skinny jordan doesnt look like michael, escpecially the unc jordan.

[Loki]

Personally, I think MJ was at his best in the early 90's. That's when he had his best combination of athleticism, smarts, and experience, as well as more shooting range.

Yup. His prime was from '88-'93 imo, and if I had to narrow it down to a two-year period, I'd take '91-'92 Jordan (i.e., the '90-'91 and '91-'92 seasons). So I guess you could say the 90's Jordan was better, though the 80's Jordan may have been slightly more individually dominant.

[Loki]

In honor of prime Jordan, here are some clips I uploaded a while ago (not for this topic).


Rookie year drive:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CFF9ED7E5D564166

Sixers drive, '91 playoffs:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=2D89A4775B0C13F4


Lakers drive, '91 Finals (not the famous "switch hands" move)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B6F138C9330F1190


Replay of the above drive where you can see that he goes between his legs at around the foul line in response to the defense collapsing on him to his right; notice in the full speed clip that he doesn't even break forward motion on the between-the-legs. Crazy.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=0165AF6058F45E1E


Jam against Heat, '92 playoffs:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E4BA029705B95303


Knicks drive (not the famous baseline spin on Oakley and jam over Ewing):

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D7646C4725A3C20E


Cavs drive, '93 playoffs:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A0AC19FD1EF805D1


Phoenix dunk from a game where he had 53/14/8:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=CAD2E3205D40813A


Crazy UNC/UCLA alumni game layup:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=9A212A8903D14B9A


Celtics fastbreak (this is crazy because he goes from the opposite FT line to the other end of the court in 3 seconds...while dribbling; I wish they wouldn't have cut to the other camera like they did):

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5F9690C62454E10A


Enjoy. :) I've been trying to combine all my clips into one long video file (because it's a pain in the a$$ to download multiple small files), but the program I use (Windows Movie Maker) slows down the speed of the video by about 10-15% for some reason, so you don't get the same sense of speed that you do from the individual clips.

[Bosh4life]

This thread reminds me of that old cmmercial where "old" Jordan was challenged by "young" Jordan. Ran mid/late 90's, I think...

I don't think so i rememebr seeing it like 4 years ago

[ShannonElements]

Awesome post, Loki. Thanks. You da man.:rockon:

[Zombles]

Younger Jordan wins 1on1 every time, older Jordan is more valuable to a team.

90s Jordan wins.

[Loki]

Awesome post, Loki. Thanks. You da man.:rockon:

No problem. I have dozens of these clips that I extracted from my personal DVD collection. I'm trying to make one big video file from them, as I said, but I want to capture the speed of the moves, and the software slows it down for some reason.


Here's another one, from the '93 playoffs, for those who insist that Jordan got all the calls:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B04C6FC30F209595

Where's the foul? :D ;)

[Indian guy]

Great clips, LOKI. Post as many as you have...

MJ's ability to go from 0 to 100 in no time was incredible. His speed and quickness remains unmatched to date.

[deion2123]

young Jordan was better....dominated the comp so badly he got bored and tried baseball

[Patches O'Houlihan]

This thread reminds me of that old cmmercial where "old" Jordan was challenged by "young" Jordan. Ran mid/late 90's, I think...

I think it was run in 2002. If you notice, Jordan has on Wizards shorts(or what looks like them) in the commercial. I remember he was playing for them when this commercial came out.

[ShannonElements]

No problem. I have dozens of these clips that I extracted from my personal DVD collection. I'm trying to make one big video file from them, as I said, but I want to capture the speed of the moves, and the software slows it down for some reason.


Here's another one, from the '93 playoffs, for those who insist that Jordan got all the calls:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B04C6FC30F209595

Where's the foul? :D ;)

A DVD collection? Which one? A link?

[Heilige]

Does anyone have the Ultimate Michael Jordan DVD set? I heard it was real good.

[Loki]

Great clips, LOKI. Post as many as you have...

MJ's ability to go from 0 to 100 in no time was incredible. His speed and quickness remains unmatched to date.

Well, since you asked (and since I'm not enough of a loser to create an entire topic dedicated to these :D), here are a few more. :pimp:


Crazy layup as a Wizard:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=27F25D392446505C


Abusing Rex Chapman in the post:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=28E0E4AC53A829E8


Scraping Joe Dumars with a crossover (I have this game on DVD, so I need to get this from the normal game angle one day; amazingly, there was no other player near them-- it was MJ and Joe D iso'd out high as he brought the ball up-- he caught him nasty. He did the same to John Starks a couple of times in the '92 playoffs that I need to extract from my games):

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7B477C1A62EA302C


Breakaway facial on some poor Knick:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D42D73D06025B490


Nice play versus Pistons that really illustrates Jordan's recognition. He instinctively knew where the defense was weakest and immediately reacted; in this clip, he sees that the defense is strong towards the middle, with 3 players there, so even before he receives the ball off the curl, he changes his footwork to spin back the other way, away from the pressure:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B6CA40485F87AE4D


James Edwards with the "last resort" defense against Jordan on the pick and roll. In the last replay, you can see Dumars push him so that he can't come off the screen as tightly as he wanted to (which would give the help defense more time to react to close that gap; unfortunately, Edwards was late):

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=39FBFA006F1CC37C


Fastbreak jam against the 76'ers from the '91 playoffs. Note the distance he covers on his hop step (where he brings the ball over the defenders' arms to split them) and the speed at which he does it:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=78F97FB2497B55F0


Gerald Wilkins gets his sh!t sent twice by Jordan on the same play:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B81E83866FC858F1


Lastly, here's a youtube video by the user "hoopsencyclopedia" (who puts up lots of complete Jordan games on youtube-- check his profile) of Jordan's 56-point game versus Miami in the '92 playoffs. He had 2 points in the first quarter, and after the first, a guy on the Heat said to him, "hey Mike, you're done; we're shutting you down tonight!" He then proceeded to drop 54 in the final 3 quarters to complete Chicago's 3 game sweep of Miami. :D Some awesome plays on here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVcwa99dBB4



A DVD collection? Which one? A link?

I bought many DVD's from this site:

http://www.geocities.com/mariabkbcards/


Pretty expensive, but it's the only service of its kind available online (there's one other guy who offers either VHS or DVD, but his pricing is similar). She's very reliable and prompt.


At any rate, I have some time on my hands now, so I should be able to get some more clips from these old games onto my PC, so perhaps I'll update this in the coming days. :)

[hotsizzle]

this is a great topic. IMO, its the perfect example to what many player face today. lets take kobe for example. looking at MJ in the late 80s, you can say that he was the most skilled and most talented in the NBA but you couldnt say hes the best just yet (well, some will say hes the best, but that wont be the overall consensus). same scenario is happening today with kobe, although his stats dont even compare to MJs, kobe appears to be the most talented/skilled today but until he transforms that into rings, most people wont consider him the best.

MJ started involving more of his teamates in the 90s. sure his stats went down, but thats because his teamates were doing more.

jordan in the 90s was better. he was still unstoppable and at the same time involved his teamates and won chips

[hotsizzle]

Does anyone have the Ultimate Michael Jordan DVD set? I heard it was real good.

yea i have it. its really good. worth the buy.

[Loki]

this is a great topic. IMO, its the perfect example to what many player face today. lets take kobe for example. looking at MJ in the late 80s, you can say that he was the most skilled and most talented in the NBA but you couldnt say hes the best just yet (well, some will say hes the best, but that wont be the overall consensus). same scenario is happening today with kobe, although his stats dont even compare to MJs, kobe appears to be the most talented/skilled today but until he transforms that into rings, most people wont consider him the best.

MJ started involving more of his teamates in the 90s. sure his stats went down, but thats because his teamates were doing more.

jordan in the 90s was better. he was still unstoppable and at the same time involved his teamates and won chips

This is largely true, but Jordan was generally considered the best player in the NBA from '88 onwards. '89 if we're stretching it. Hell, I have games on tape from the '90-'91 season/postseason where the commentators say that he's "the best player to ever play the game"-- and this was before he had won even a single ring. And he was playing amongst legends and giants. I'm not saying that I agree that he was the best ever at that point in his career (i.e., before he won titles, or even after he won his first one), but it's crazy that people were even saying things like that. That's how good Jordan was.

[Heilige]

Loki, what do you think is Jordan's singular best game?

What year do you think was Jordan's best?

Is the Ultimate Jordan DVD set the best one out there? If not what is the best DVD/VHS to get of Jordan?

What year did you think Jordan became the greatest player ever?

[yeahwhathesaid]

i think most people are foregetting that jordan in the 80's had multiples dpoy along with an mvp and average 3 plus spg , which totally stops the comparison between him and lebron and even kobe, because lebron james will never win a dpoy or lead the league in steals so will kobe

[GothamKnight]

Lebron might lead the league in steals, but def not DPOY

[Loki]

Loki, what do you think is Jordan's singular best game?


Oh wow, that's tough. Depends on if you're talking statistically or overall in terms of "the moment" etc. Here are some that stand out off the top of my head:


-- 69/18/6/4 vs. Cleveland, 1990

-- 44/9/6/3 vs. Cleveland in game 5 of the 1989 EC first round. 17 points in the 4th, including 4 consecutive baskets and an assist on the last 5 Chicago possessions, culminating in "The Shot" over Craig Ehlo.

-- 57 points and 10 assists vs. Washington in 1993. One of only two times in the last 17 years that a player has had a 50+/10+ game (the other was Stephon Marbury in '01).

-- 46/7/5/5/3 vs. Detroit in the '89 ECF, where he had 17 in the 4th including the game-winner and absolutely shut down Isiah Thomas, holding him to 7 points and 6 assists on 2-11 shooting, well below his 20/10 postseason averages.


-- 63/5/6 vs. Boston in a losing effort in the '86 playoffs (he lost, but you've got to put the all-time playoff record on here)

-- 46/4/6 vs. Philly in game 3 of the '91 playoffs. Bulls were down big and Jordan scored 26 (yes, 26) points in the 4th (and a couple of assists) to pull them within one at one point. They lost, but Jordan put the fear of God into Philly's hearts.

-- 33/7/13 vs. LA in game 2 of the '91 Finals. He hit 13 consecutive shots, the last of which was the famous "switch hands in mid-air" move, and the Bulls blew the Lakers out

-- 38/19/7/4/2 vs. Philly in the '91 playoffs. Outrebounded Barkley and Gilliam combined and dropped 16 in the 4th to close out the series.


-- 56/5/5/3/1 vs Miami in the '92 playoffs, just for the sheer bad-assedness of it. As I said earlier, he had just 2 points in the first when some Miami player started mouthing off to him, saying "we've got your number tonight, Mike; we're shutting you down!" He then dropped 54 over the next 3 quarters on an assortment of spectacular moves. Dominance.

-- 39/3/11 against Portland in game 1 of the '92 Finals. This was the game where he set the record for most points in a half in a Finals game (35). What's amazing is that he sat out about 7-8 minutes that first half-- he conceivably could have had 40+ first-half points. He was on fire.

-- 54 points vs. NY in the '93 playoffs. It was coming off a very poor shooting game, and there was a lot of talk that NY had his number defensively and that he was struggling, and he goes and scores 54 mainly on long jumpers (including 6 threes). A shooting exhibition and another example of his mental dominance. Jordan always answered.


-- 42/12/9 and 55/8/4 vs. Phoenix in the '93 Finals. The first was just a fantastic all-around game on the biggest of stages, and the second was a dominating performance which included the go-ahead basket (and-1) over Barkley with 10 seconds to go. Going into this game, Jordan was furious that some papers were saying that Majerle and KJ had "stopped him" in the previous game (where he had a poor shooting night, like 17-43 iirc), and he came out with a vengeance to prove that such a thing wasn't possible. :D

-- 55 vs. NY in his fifth game back from retirement in '95. Self-explanatory.

-- 48/9/8 vs. Charlotte in the '95 playoffs. Amazing that he could do that against a contending team having just returned from nearly a two year layoff just 17 games prior. He has a sick reverse in this game on Parish and Mourning, and one of my favorite jumpers ever by him, where 3 Hornets track him as he dribbles and goes for the 15-foot fadeaway off the glass, with all 3 (Mourning, LJ, and Hawkins) of their hands in his face nearly blocking the shot.


-- Game 3 of the '96 Knicks series, where he scored 19 points in the Final 6:30 to force overtime. He then scored 7 in OT, but Chicago lost. This is another game that shows Jordan's nigh indomitable will.

-- 51 points vs. NY after Jeff Van Gundy had called him a "con man" in the NY papers. Jordan destroyed the Knick defenders that night, and, in the 4th, was visibly talking to Van Gundy after every made basket. Also memorable because Jordan punked Chris Childs earlier in the game after Childs stepped to him-- he sonned him with the "hand on the forehead and push" thing as if to say "back up off me." :D


-- Games 2 and 3 vs. Washington in the '97 EC first round. Game 2 was his 55-point explosion, and game 3 was when he scored 16 points in the final 4:00-4:30 to bring Chicago back for the victory. It was amazing-- it was like he just turned a switch late in the 4th and started hitting everything. Pippen made the game-winner on a dunk and a foul, but Jordan was the reason they won that game.

-- 45 points vs. Seattle in 1997 on 19-28 shooting. Prior to this game, George Karl had made some comments about how Jordan was playing "like he was afraid of getting hurt" and that he had become basically a jump-shooter. Jordan didn't take kindly to the remarks (though he didn't say anything publicly) and came out on fire with 28 first half points in Gary Payton' grill, including a ridiculous halfcourt shot with perfect shooting form at the halftime buzzer. The Bulls went away from Jordan for about 7:00 in the third, but then came back to him as the Sonics gained ground, and he put in 17 more points. After his final couple of baskets he was glancing over at George Karl as if to say "now, what was that you were saying?" :D After his final shot, a 3-pointer, Payton just threw his hands up in exasperation. :rockon:


-- Game 5 vs. Utah, 1997 Finals. The "Flu Game." Self-explanatory. 38/7/5, including 17 in the 4th and the game-winning 3-pointer on fumes.

-- Game 7 of the 1998 ECF vs. Indiana. Jordan had a poor shooting night (9-25) but still managed to finish with 28/9/8 because he stayed aggressive down the stretch by rpeatedly driving and getting to the line, grabbing big offensive rebounds (including a crucial one with 1:00 to go over 3 Pacers off a free throw) and making key passes (including the one to Longley for a baseline J that sealed the game). Even though he was exhausted, he still found ways to contribute and pull out the game; that's what made him great.

-- Game 6 vs. Utah, 1998 Finals, for the final 1:00 alone. You know the deal. :D :bowdown:




What year do you think was Jordan's best?

Either 1988 (35/5.5/5.9/3.2/1.6/54% FG; DPOY/MVP/ASG MVP) or 1991 (his first championship; absurd PER, season MVP, crazy postseason stats and Finals MVP, defensive first team and all-NBA). Third would be 1996 because he reasserted his dominance over the league, won MVP, ASG MVP, and Finals MVP, and led his team to the best record of all-time.



Is the Ultimate Jordan DVD set the best one out there? If not what is the best DVD/VHS to get of Jordan?

Ultimate Jordan is good, but the Chicago Bulls 1990's Commemorative Set is better imo, since it has lots of rare footage, even if it's is not strictly focused on Jordan.

Among the VHS videos, I like "Airtime: The Jordan Years" the best, followed by "Michael Jordan to the Max" and "Above and Beyond."


What year did you think Jordan became the greatest player ever?

After his first retirement, really. After the 1996 season at the very latest.

[Jerm]

Wherever there's a Jordan topic, Loki's got to be there. :violin:

[Loki]

Wherever there's a Jordan topic, Loki's got to be there. :violin:

Hey, I usually play ball on Saturdays, but it's pouring here in NYC, so I'm stuck inside until later tonight. Bite me. :D :banana:

[Heilige]

Loki, what VHS or DVD has those games you listed on it?

I don't have any Jordan DVDs/VHS. If I could only get one, what would you reccommend? The Ultimate Jordan DVD set?

Who do you think works harder in the off-season, Jordan or Kobe.


I would like to get in the NBA. I am only 5 feet 9 inches. Do I have a chance? Any advice?

[miles berg]

It is hard to say because the level of competition in the NBA took such a nosedive after 1993. You can't compare Jordan's competition from the 80s-93 to that of this 2nd 3 peat because the NBA was so watered down.

Id take the early Jordan, the one from around 88-1st retirement, that guy was going against, and destroying, legit competition and had an unbelievable all around game.

[WADE MONEY]

-- 51 points vs. NY after Jeff Van Gundy had called him a "con man" in the NY papers. Jordan destroyed the Knick defenders that night, and, in the 4th, was visibly talking to Van Gundy after every made basket. Also memorable because Jordan punked Chris Childs earlier in the game after Childs stepped to him-- he sonned him with the "hand on the forehead and push" thing as if to say "back up off me."

the fact that the same Chris childs absolutely PUNKED kobe when they fought a couple years ago makes the kobe jordan comparison laughable. Childs just straight up went up to kobe and ***** smacked him. Now compare that to when Starks tried to start shiit with Jordan and the entire other 4 knicks as well as 2 or 3 bulls had to restrain Jordan, and Starks was STILL backing off. You guys know the clip I'm talking about. Nobody, I mean NOBODY *****s with jordan.

[WADE MONEY]

-- 51 points vs. NY after Jeff Van Gundy had called him a "con man" in the NY papers. Jordan destroyed the Knick defenders that night, and, in the 4th, was visibly talking to Van Gundy after every made basket. Also memorable because Jordan punked Chris Childs earlier in the game after Childs stepped to him-- he sonned him with the "hand on the forehead and push" thing as if to say "back up off me."

the fact that the same Chris childs absolutely PUNKED kobe when they fought a couple years ago makes the kobe jordan comparison laughable. Childs just straight up went up to kobe and piimp smacked him. Now compare that to when Starks tried to start shiit with Jordan and the entire other 4 knicks as well as 2 or 3 bulls had to restrain Jordan, and Starks was STILL backing off. You guys know the clip I'm talking about. Nobody, I mean NOBODY *****s with jordan.

[Heilige]

the fact that the same Chris childs absolutely PUNKED kobe when they fought a couple years ago makes the kobe jordan comparison laughable. Childs just straight up went up to kobe and piimp smacked him. Now compare that to when Starks tried to start shiit with Jordan and the entire other 4 knicks as well as 2 or 3 bulls had to restrain Jordan, and Starks was STILL backing off. You guys know the clip I'm talking about. Nobody, I mean NOBODY *****s with jordan.


Do you have a link of that clip?

[Loki]

Now compare that to when Starks tried to start shiit with Jordan and the entire other 4 knicks as well as 2 or 3 bulls had to restrain Jordan, and Starks was STILL backing off. You guys know the clip I'm talking about. Nobody, I mean NOBODY *****s with jordan.

Yeah, I know that incident. I have the game on DVD, actually (along with the entire '92 Knicks series). Two "better" incidents than that were the Jordan/X-Man and Jordan/Greg Anthony altercations. Anthony backed off mighty quick after leveling Jordan with a football-like body check at full speed that sent MJ to the ground. Jordan got up furious, looking to go, and Anthony ran away. :D I also love that play where MJ goes up for the dunk, gets leveled by McDaniel and Ewing in the air, still manages to drop it in, and then stands over Ewing shouting at him (you have to remember this one).

Seriously, watching those '92 and '93 Knicks series, it's funny that in nearly every game there was some sort of altercation, crazy flagrant foul, or punches thrown. Insane. :roll:

[Heilige]

Loki, what VHS or DVD has those games you listed on it?

I don't have any Jordan DVDs/VHS. If I could only get one, what would you reccommend? The Ultimate Jordan DVD set?

What is the best book writen on Jordan? Playing For Keeps?

I would like to get in the NBA. I am only 5 feet 9 inches. Do I have a chance? Any advice?

[DCL]

can't really pick which year was his best because jordan's peak was a long time. other guys get to peak level for like only 2-3 years. jordan was there for like a decade.

[Loki]

Bumped in case anyone wants to download any of the clips I uploaded above before they expire (since it took me a while to do so and I won't be doing it again any time soon :D).

[vmdv12]

In my opinion...1992 was just about his prime year! I was in Barcelona during the 1992 Olympics of the first Dream Team. The people in Spain were in awe of him and so was just about the rest of the world. Everyone knows he could have gotten MVP EVERY year. The early 90's he had that killer instinct and finally figured how to win pretty much every year. Those "experts" (espn) who said this years Pistons would beat the 72 win Bulls were drunk! Even Greg Anthony said that the Bulls wouldn't be able to stop this Pistons team. OMG! Anyways...once Jordan and the rest of the Bulls got that killer instinct..it was GAME OVER for the rest of the L.

[Lebron23]

Young Michael Jordan was a Great Scorer

Prime Michael Jordan is a great team leader

[BIZARRO]

Young Michael Jordan was a Great Scorer

Prime Michael Jordan is a great team leader



'88-'90 Jordan sh**s on '90's Jordan.

If you took the 88-89 Mike and put him on the 92-93 Mike, he'd kill him and take his chip too.

Also, as far as best singular games, don't ever forget the times when he went into the Silverdome against the Bad Boys and 59 on 21-27 in '88 or 61 the year before.

90-91 the best Bulls team; but 88, arguably 89, the best MJ.

[MARIABKBCARDS]

my new site for Jordan games on dvd:

www.mariabkbcards.com

[NBA BMX]

I love Michael Jordan and Chicago Bulls
Jordan is the best, many people fall in love with basketball and the NBA
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