Kobe = best dunker

[andgar923]

with the lowest vertical jump?

Kobe has some SICK dunks there's no denying that.

He has some of the most aggressive and explosive dunks in history, but unlike some of the other greats, he achieved this with minimal vertical leap. It's 'rare' that he gets high on a dunk, rarely that I've seen his elbow over the rim or him having to duck his head. Not saying that there may not have been instances of what I mentioned, but most of his dunks are barely getting over the rim. They're more a result of aggressiveness and explosiveness than anything.

And NO it's not a knock on him. Just an observation that I made a long time ago.

[Dictator]

Vince Carter....gtfo

[andgar923]

Vince Carter....gtfo
did you read the thread? :facepalm

[eliteballer]

Watch this if you think Kobe has a low vertical.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

60 second mark and 9:20 mark are good examples

[Rake2204]

Vince Carter....gtfo
I think the premise was "Best Dunker. . . with the lowest vertical." As such, Vince would not fit.

I'd have to think about this topic a little bit, see if I can come up with some other candidates.

[Heavincent]

Well he jumped high enough to put his balls in Dwight Howard's mouth

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/AkeemDryden/Kobe_dunk.png

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

[andgar923]

Do you people know how to read?

Do ya'll lack reading comprehension?

I think I made a rather comprehensive post.

[lbj23clutch]

Kobe had a pretty elite vertical. Not as good as guys like VC, MJ, or LeBron, but still among the best in the league during his athletic prime. Young Kobe reminds me of current Westbrook, in terms of aggressiveness, fearlessness and explosiveness in their dunks.

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-tXvMriU0Y&feature=relmfu&t=2m00s

REAL LOW vertical..........

[andgar923]

Some people are butthurt idiots that obviously can't read.

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

Pretty sure Kobe's getting at least as consistently high on these dunks as Jordan is on his:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRyG5bOOtY

[SunsCaptain]

Jared Dudley is the best dunker with the lowest vert!

First Dunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJmZiWh9SM

Talking about his dunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30c_zwISDc

1 handed jam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KIaGLprVhI


Dudley!!!!!!!

[eliteballer]

BTW...Jordan dreams he could do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-tXvMriU0Y&feature=relmfu&t=0m22s

[LA_Showtime]

Why would you say Kobe's vertical is low? Hater.

Teehee

[Myth]

Vince Carter now has a lower vertical, but still has beautiful body control when he does dunk.

[andgar923]

Why would you say Kobe's vertical is low? Hater.

Teehee
Lower than some of the other great dunkers.

[Rake2204]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-tXvMriU0Y&feature=relmfu&t=2m00s

REAL LOW vertical..........
I feel as though it would have been much more effective to post one of Kobe's numerous other high-flying clips that did not feature him slight boosting off an opponent. I mean, I agree he did not have a low vertical. I'm just wondering why you chose that clip of all possibilities.

[LA_Showtime]

One word to categorize Kobe's dunks: Angry or Rapey.

[eliteballer]

I feel as though it would have been much more effective to post one of Kobe's numerous other high-flying clips that did not feature him slight boosting off an opponent. I mean, I agree he did not have a low vertical. I'm just wondering why you chose that clip of all possibilities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55ngZg3BGvU&t=0m17s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U&t=9m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U&t=0m60s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U&t=4m35s

happy?

[AlphaWolf24]

Lower than some of the other great dunkers.


this ***** has no idea what he's talking about...just spews random filth and passes it off as realisticityaction...


Kobe>Mj in game dunking



next

[IGotACoolStory]

No, people get what you are saying.

They're just saying you are wrong as Kobe does get up. He doesn't get up as high as Vince, but maybe a handful of players in NBA history do.

Low vert is not the correct term.

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHcavL9I3cQ&t=5m35s

[eliteballer]

You guys act like Vince gets his head over the rim on every dunk. Look at his HEAD not his king kong size arms. He doesnt consistently get higher than the other great swingmen athletes

[Velocirap31]

So Kobe is being argued as the best dunker who couldn't jump that high. Okay then.

[Velocirap31]

You guys act like Vince gets his head over the rim on every dunk. Look at his HEAD not his king kong size arms. He doesnt consistently get higher than the other great swingmen athletes


Uh Oh. Prepare yourself for a long rant on VC's long arms and overrated hops by eliteballer.
:lol

[elementally morale]

Some of you guys are :(
The original post was actually praising Kobe. Him being able to throw it down in game situations with (actually a lot) less vertical than LeBron, MJ or Vince is a compliment. Yet some of you... eh.

[eliteballer]

Francis was jumping higher than VC in the contest when they measured verticals.

Prove me wrong about VC in relation to the other great leapers, raptor....his head doesnt get higher on average.

prove.me.wrong.

[Velocirap31]

Francis was jumping higher than VC in the contest when they measured verticals.

Prove me wrong about VC in relation to the other great leapers, raptor....his head doesnt get higher on average.

prove.me.wrong.

1. The difficulty of the dunk greatly affects how high you get up. A dunker doing a reverse 360 windmill (a dunk I have never seen emulated well since) is not going to get as high as when that same dunker does a running sprint to catch the ball and dunk (as Francis did on his highest vertical dunk, a vertical beating Vince's by 1-2 inches).

2. Francis had an insane vertical which is why he was able to compete in the slam dunk contest at his height.

3. There are several plays where VC's head is rim level or a bit above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF2zNRr0xdQ on an alley oop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn70Wr48ptE on a block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwYZ-WegYk on a windmill dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxJ4yI3Y1NI on another block

Of course Vince's wingspan helped, but why is that a negative against him in your opinion? His wingspan isn't substantially greater than Kobe's anyway and even still, his head clearly reaches the rim in his prime. I've never seen Kobe's head at the rim. Show me that proof.

[eliteballer]

1. The difficulty of the dunk greatly affects how high you get up. A dunker doing a reverse 360 windmill (a dunk I have never seen emulated well since) is not going to get as high as when that same dunker does a running sprint to catch the ball and dunk (as Francis did on his highest vertical dunk, a vertical beating Vince's by 1-2 inches).

2. Francis had an insane vertical which is why he was able to compete in the slam dunk contest at his height.

3. There are several plays where VC's head is rim level or a bit above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF2zNRr0xdQ on an alley oop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn70Wr48ptE on a block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwYZ-WegYk on a windmill dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxJ4yI3Y1NI on another block

Of course Vince's wingspan helped, but why is that a negative against him in your opinion? His wingspan isn't substantially greater than Kobe's anyway and even still, his head clearly reaches the rim in his prime. I've never seen Kobe's head at the rim. Show me that proof.


:roll: Learn about angles...then get back to me....

:oldlol:

[Velocirap31]

Check the last link. The angle is much better. The angles aren't that deceiving in those vids either. Where's the Kobe head at rim video? It better be a good angle to.

[eliteballer]

They are all horrible angles...except the block.

but in the block he's NOT rim level

[Velocirap31]

They are all horrible angles...except the block.

but in the block he's NOT rim level

His head is clearly rim level in the last link and the angle is above the rim to. Learn a thing about perception and get back to me. Still waiting on that Kobe head at rim video, it must not exist.

[eliteballer]

The last one is as horrible as all of the others. The camera is high above and can peer over the rim.........get educated.

[Velocirap31]

The last one is as horrible as all of the others. The camera is high above and can peer over the rim.........get educated.

Alright man. I'm a structural engineer, but what do I know. You're just a blind Kobe stan. I give up. I'll check this thread tonight to see that Kobe head at rim video. I've got better things to do.

[eliteballer]

Hooray for bad anges!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCwLFa9Q64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjKIm9T7abA&t=0m50s

[eliteballer]

Alright man. I'm a structural engineer, but what do I know. You're just a blind Kobe stan. I give up. I'll check this thread tonight to see that Kobe head at rim video. I've got better things to do.

An engineer posting THOSE absurd angles and trying to pass them off? SURE....:oldlol:

[Rake2204]

1. The difficulty of the dunk greatly affects how high you get up. A dunker doing a reverse 360 windmill (a dunk I have never seen emulated well since) is not going to get as high as when that same dunker does a running sprint to catch the ball and dunk (as Francis did on his highest vertical dunk, a vertical beating Vince's by 1-2 inches).

2. Francis had an insane vertical which is why he was able to compete in the slam dunk contest at his height.

3. There are several plays where VC's head is rim level or a bit above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF2zNRr0xdQ on an alley oop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn70Wr48ptE on a block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwYZ-WegYk on a windmill dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxJ4yI3Y1NI on another block

Of course Vince's wingspan helped, but why is that a negative against him in your opinion? His wingspan isn't substantially greater than Kobe's anyway and even still, his head clearly reaches the rim in his prime. I've never seen Kobe's head at the rim. Show me that proof.
I'm a big Vince guy, but most of those are tough angles to make any kind of point, particularly the UNC clip. I think the blocks provide the best looks in terms of angle and head placement but even then, tough to find anything definitive.

My favorite "high jumping" Vince Carter clips:

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYtaGqM5HTM

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSzKmkEdaVQ (around the 11 second mark).

If we had to be real, I feel like we all could agree that performing an elbow dunk without relying on breaking away the rim to complete the slam probably means one's head is going to be right up there.

And in the 2nd clip, I don't insist this to be a "head at rim level" shot, but there's no doubt he's up there, seemingly without much effort.

Also, for the sake of sakes, here's Vince Carter pulling off the elbow dunk in-game (but without the hang and with a horrible angle): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmvT06dmdpM

[andgar923]

Some of you guys are :(
The original post was actually praising Kobe. Him being able to throw it down in game situations with (actually a lot) less vertical than LeBron, MJ or Vince is a compliment. Yet some of you... eh.
Im glad somebody noticed.

[eliteballer]

Kobe doesnt have a lot less vertical than those guys. Thats just a stupid statement.

Analysts, coaches, players NEVER say "wow good for kobe he is such an inferior athlete to these guys".

Its only fans who dont remember what Kobe is capable of

[Rake2204]

Kobe doesnt have a lot less vertical than those guys.
I would tend to agree, but somehow I sort of understand where he was coming from. Kobe Bryant was a wonderful dunker, but I never recall being struck with that feeling of, "Omigod he was freakishly high up there". That doesn't mean Kobe never had major elevation, because we know he did, but to a lot of folks that portion of his dunking didn't always stick out. Whereas, with certain other dunkers, part of the show is what kind of dunk they did, while the other part of the show is how they seemed to float en route to pulling it off.

[andgar923]

Kobe doesnt have a lot less vertical than those guys. Thats just a stupid statement.

Analysts, coaches, players NEVER say "wow good for kobe he is such an inferior athlete to these guys".

Its only fans who dont remember what Kobe is capable of
Almost every single dunk contest contestant has had a higher vertical leap than Kobe. And that's not counting others that had a higher vert than him.

[jstern]

I always felt that he was an amazing dunker for some one with less than a 40 inch vertical. I sometimes wonder if the reason for the Afro was to give the impression that he was jumping higher, head closer to rim level.

[eliteballer]

Almost every single dunk contest contestant has had a higher vertical leap than Kobe. And that's not counting others that had a higher vert than him.


No....they dont.

There's no way an impartial person can watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

Then this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRyG5bOOtY

and say there is a huge difference in their leaping ability

[andgar923]

I would tend to agree, but somehow I sort of understand where he was coming from. Kobe Bryant was a wonderful dunker, but I never recall being struck with that feeling of, "Omigod he was freakishly high up there". That doesn't mean Kobe never had major elevation, because we know he did, but to a lot of folks that portion of his dunking didn't always stick out. Whereas, with certain other dunkers, part of the show is what kind of dunk they did, while the other part of the show is how they seemed to float en route to pulling it off.
His dunks were always more about ferocity and anger then elevation, when compared to some of the great Dunkers in history.

I guess in a scale if 1-10 of elevation here's where they'd probably rank:

VC= 10
MJ= 10
G.Green=10
Ricky Davis= 8.5
Kobe=7.5

That's not bad, just thought I'd give some examples for context.

[eliteballer]

His dunks were always more about ferocity and anger then elevation, when compared to some of the great Dunkers in history.

I guess in a scale if 1-10 of elevation here's where they'd probably rank:

VC= 10
MJ= 10
G.Green=10
Ricky Davis= 8.5
Kobe=7.5

That's not bad, just thought I'd give some examples for context.



No way an impartial person can watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

Then this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRyG5bOOtY

and say there is a huge difference in their leaping ability.


Watch them again, and again and again.

[andgar923]

No....they dont.

There's no way an impartial person can watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

Then this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRyG5bOOtY

and say there is a huge difference in their leaping ability

Look at the f*ckin dunks you idiot.

Look at where MJ's arm is compared to Kobe's in many of them. Look at where Mj takes off from. Kobe also usually stretches far more than MJ does, MJ was still ascending when he got to the rim while Kobe was at his peak.

You are trying to judge power and style, that isn't what this thread is about. Some of the dunks that Kobe did in the vid, MJ was doing from further out.

[eliteballer]

Give us some concrete examples...............

[andgar923]

Give us some concrete examples...............
Like I'm gonna waste my time on something that's basically accepted as a FACT by most of the world, even most Kobe fans.

Shit, some Kobe fans have even used this as an excuse to prop up Kobe.

This thread was to give props, since it was a foregone conclusion that indeed, Kobe doesn't jump as high as some of the more elite dunkers yet he had some sick ass dunks.

[andgar923]

I forgot to note on some of MJ's dunks....

Look at what he's doing with the ball and where he's doing it from. He's jumping from almost outside of the paint, moves the ball in the air over 2 defenders and throws it down hard.

He also doesn't have to gather himself for dunks like Kobe does.

[Doranku]

Just another example of our Gawd transcending the physical limitations of his body and rising above the rest of the competition. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

How Great is Our Gawd??? :applause:

[Nevaeh]

Just another example of our Gawd transcending the physical limitations of his body and rising above the rest of the competition. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

How Great is Our Gawd??? :applause:

So great that I heard he fed the multitudes with FISH this summer.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/bowdown.gif


Come on dude, it was right there!!
http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

[Noob Saibot]

Prime Kobe Bryant does not possess a 40+ vertical leap.

http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/6765/Sports++Recreation/Highest+Vertical+Leap+in+NBA+History.aspx

btw, how does Jordan Farmar have a 42" vertical. lol

[eliteballer]

Prime Kobe Bryant does not possess a 40+ vertical leap.

http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/6765/Sports++Recreation/Highest+Vertical+Leap+in+NBA+History.aspx

btw, how does Jordan Farmar have a 42" vertical. lol

That list is a bunch of bs. Please tell us you have more common sense than that.

[Noob Saibot]

That list is a bunch of bs. Please tell us you have more common sense than that.

your response is bs. please entertain us some more on how Kobe is the GOAT game dunker with clips.

[Rake2204]

Prime Kobe Bryant does not possess a 40+ vertical leap.

http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/6765/Sports++Recreation/Highest+Vertical+Leap+in+NBA+History.aspx

btw, how does Jordan Farmar have a 42" vertical. lol
How do these lists get made? Where are the statistics drawn from?

[Noob Saibot]

How do these lists get made? Where are the statistics drawn from?

its comes from a variety of sources (mainly old past websites), sometimes they can be right from the NBA Draft profiles.

Its been well documented that Spud Webb's vertical is 46 inches and Shannon Brown has the highest vertical period in NBA currently. Some of the ones like Jordan Farmar is what's gets me. He can jump but 42 inches???

lol, Farmar was even on sports science.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7AIqXqBAEA

[Noob Saibot]

here is a more accurate list of NBA vertical leaps.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=10

[bwink23]

BTW...Jordan dreams he could do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-tXvMriU0Y&feature=relmfu&t=0m22s


Do what??

[bwink23]

Kobe doesnt have a lot less vertical than those guys. Thats just a stupid statement.

Analysts, coaches, players NEVER say "wow good for kobe he is such an inferior athlete to these guys".

Its only fans who dont remember what Kobe is capable of

I like how you post "elevation" dunks when he doesn't have the ball in his hands...:lol

[dynasty1978]

Kobe's dunks are known mostly for creativity and dexterity, less for the vert.

However, he did occasionally elevate. This one is underrated imho:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tFVOTprC_M

[bwink23]

Give us some concrete examples...............


Here's an example for you...

Kobe dunk off 2 feet from the inner circle of the FT line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

Notice how Kobe stretched to full extension with one arm.

Here's MJ doing the same 2-foot dunk from the same distance, but he does a 2-hand, double-pump half-windmill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX49Q9XgxZU#t=2m44s




Comparing the 2...from camera angle, Kobe's looks from further out, when it actually isn't, while MJ's was a greater degree of difficulty and he made it look routine.

[Noob Saibot]

Here's an example for you...

Kobe dunk off 2 feet from the inner circle of the FT line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

Notice how Kobe stretched to full extension with one arm.

Here's MJ doing the same 2-foot dunk from the same distance, but he does a 2-hand, double-pump half-windmill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX49Q9XgxZU#t=2m44s




Comparing the 2...from camera angle, Kobe's looks from further out, when it actually isn't, while MJ's was a greater degree of difficulty and he made it look routine.

40 inch hops vs non 40 inch hops

[andgar923]

Kobe does not match this level of vertical:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=038j-yrL0J4

[andgar923]

Here's a good example of the difference between MJ and Kobe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZb4qgPGa0E&list=UUQorWZQUayOki3CiXvMmSrg&index=6&feature=plcp

Kobe is stretching with his might to reach.

MJ does two handed pumps, tomahawks while still elevating, leaning dunks over defenders, rock the cradle, from the same distance (and further) with 'ease'.

That's the difference between the two jumping abilities.

[Myth]

His dunks were always more about ferocity and anger then elevation, when compared to some of the great Dunkers in history.

I guess in a scale if 1-10 of elevation here's where they'd probably rank:

VC= 10
MJ= 10
G.Green=10
Ricky Davis= 8.5
Kobe=7.5

That's not bad, just thought I'd give some examples for context.

Vertices would give better context, even if they are estimated.

[andgar923]

Vertices would give better context, even if they are estimated.

I agree

[Ketchup]

Wasn't Kobe's vertical 37 inches coming into the league? At 18. Not to mention your best jumping comes at 21ish... So with NBA training it probably would have been up to 39-40 inches. That's like 2 inches off Jordan, and apparently it's somehow a low vertical jump.

Get real lol.

[andgar923]

Wasn't Kobe's vertical 37 inches coming into the league? At 18. Not to mention your best jumping comes at 21ish... So with NBA training it probably would have been up to 39-40 inches. That's like 2 inches off Jordan, and apparently it's somehow a low vertical jump.

Get real lol.

Where are you getting your info from?

Because MJ's vert has been estimated at 48.

And even then, Kobe is more than just 2 inches off MJ's vert.

[Punpun]

MJ'S VERT wasn't 48 inch though. That's inflated.

[andgar923]

MJ'S VERT wasn't 48 inch though. That's inflated.

If that's inflated then so is Kobe's.

Regardless, MJ's vert is noticeably higher than Kobe's.

MJ jumped higher and farther of his dunks more frequently than Kobe did, shouldn't even be an issue.

But even then, that isn't my main point.

Watch most of Kobe's dunks, he's not rising very high on most of them. He is attacking the rim hard with elite explosiveness. Like LA Showtime mentioned, his dunks are 'angry' and that seems to fit perfectly. Mj rarely dunked angrily, dunking hard and dunking angrily are two different things, and Kobe more times than not dunked angrily, but he didn't have MJ's or other player's jumping ability.

[tpols]

:facepalm

[Ketchup]

Where are you getting your info from?

Because MJ's vert has been estimated at 48.

And even then, Kobe is more than just 2 inches off MJ's vert.

No lol. 48 inches is insane, god like, that only a few people in the world have. MJ is not one of those.

Vince Carter had a 43.5 inch vertical I believe. MJ I think was measured at North Carolina in his last season to have had a 42 inch vertical or there abouts. Someone posted an article a while back when I was posting on my original account.

LOL at 48 inches. Have you ever seen Jordan's head 6 inches above the rim? :oldlol:

[andgar923]

No lol. 48 inches is insane, god like, that only a few people in the world have. MJ is not one of those.

Vince Carter had a 43.5 inch vertical I believe. MJ I think was measured at North Carolina in his last season to have had a 42 inch vertical or there abouts. Someone posted an article a while back when I was posting on my original account.

LOL at 48 inches. Have you ever seen Jordan's head 6 inches above the rim? :oldlol:

Even then, if MJ is 42 Kobe is still in the 34-36 range then.

The difference between the two IS noticeable, not just 2 inches.

Unless game time dunks are that different from measured jumping tests. We see this when football players get measured for their 4.0 sprint as well. Some players run faster during a game then they did in their combine time.

[Ketchup]

Even then, if MJ is 42 Kobe is still in the 34-36 range then.

The difference between the two IS noticeable, not just 2 inches.

Unless game time dunks are that different from measured jumping tests. We see this when football players get measured for their 4.0 sprint as well. Some players run faster during a game then they did in their combine time.

Dwyane Wade has a 36 inch vertical. Kobe in his prime jumped considerably more than him.

Jordan is a better one footed leaper hence he does jump further. As for jumping higher. It's only slight.

[Rake2204]

No lol. 48 inches is insane, god like, that only a few people in the world have. MJ is not one of those.

Vince Carter had a 43.5 inch vertical I believe. MJ I think was measured at North Carolina in his last season to have had a 42 inch vertical or there abouts. Someone posted an article a while back when I was posting on my original account.

LOL at 48 inches. Have you ever seen Jordan's head 6 inches above the rim? :oldlol:
Just to throw another hat in the ring, I posted his stuff here a few times about a week ago. But a fellow named Calvin Talford had a true 43+ vert. This went along with a 7'0'' high jump and 24 foot long jump (http://www2.tricities.com/sports/2008/jun/02/castlewood_legend_to_be_inducted_into_hall_of_fame-ar-255637/).

Point being, if an NBA player isn't floating like this guy, then the player being discussed probably doesn't have a 42+ inch vertical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMgHlPbodGw

[Punpun]

If that's inflated then so is Kobe's.


Don't care about Kobe's. 48 inch Vjump is a hugely inflated stat.

[Ketchup]

Just to throw another hat in the ring, I posted his stuff here a few times about a week ago. But a fellow named Calvin Talford had a true 43+ vert. This went along with a 7'0'' high jump and 24 foot long jump (http://www2.tricities.com/sports/2008/jun/02/castlewood_legend_to_be_inducted_into_hall_of_fame-ar-255637/).

Point being, if an NBA player isn't floating like this guy, then the player being discussed probably doesn't have a 42+ inch vertical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMgHlPbodGw

Nice post.

Here is Vince Carter's pre draft measurement stats. He officially recorded a 43 inch vertical.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Vince-Carter-1951/

[Rake2204]

Nice post.

Here is Vince Carter's pre draft measurement stats. He officially recorded a 43 inch vertical.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Vince-Carter-1951/
Excellent. Thanks for that. Something that often gets lost in the fold when verticals are being discussed is whether someone is referring to a max vert or no-step vert. Many folks believe in the no-step, so when they reference it (Carter's was 36'') it may sound much less impressive if it's being compared to someone else's max vert.

Either way, thanks for the link.

[Ketchup]

Excellent. Thanks for that. Something that often gets lost in the fold when verticals are being discussed is whether someone is referring to a max vert or no-step vert. Many folks believe in the no-step, so when they reference it (Carter's was 36'') it may sound much less impressive if it's being compared to someone else's max vert.

Either way, thanks for the link.

Yeah, I think the highest no step vertical ever recorded in the NBA was 40.5 inches. Some player who didn't even make it I think. Either way, anything over 40 inches for a no step vertical is insane.
But yeah, the site is very useful. I always find it interesting to see the wingspans of certain players, and find out why there are so good at defense, or finishing at the rim.

[VeeCee15]

Kobe does have a LOW vertical.

Except one year he might have been on roids..then it was good but still not elite.

[eliteballer]

There's no way IN HELL Jordan or Vince have anywhere NEAR a 48 inch vertical. If they did they would have routinely gotten their heads over the rim.

[eliteballer]

Here's an example for you...

Kobe dunk off 2 feet from the inner circle of the FT line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

Notice how Kobe stretched to full extension with one arm.

Here's MJ doing the same 2-foot dunk from the same distance, but he does a 2-hand, double-pump half-windmill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX49Q9XgxZU#t=2m44s




Comparing the 2...from camera angle, Kobe's looks from further out, when it actually isn't, while MJ's was a greater degree of difficulty and he made it look routine.


Great job posting dunks where Kobe is 40 lbs heavier(thats 2003 Kobe) and goes from a standstill vs a full court running start for Jordan. Jordan's bigger hands don't mean he jumps higher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtn5qhR9cvU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLyM3tE23cI

[Ketchup]

Gerald Green who came out of high school recorded a 39 inch vertical. Kobe recorded a 37 inch vertical coming out of high school.

Seeing as Green is 6'7 in shoes, and he got his head a good 4-5 inches above the rim on that windmill dunk, I'd say his vertical increased to about 45-46 inches. That's the highest we've ever seen anyone in the NBA, and that would have been the perfect amount of adrenaline and aggressiveness going into that dunk.

It's not hard to imagine Kobe adding 3 inches onto his jump since coming into the league as an 18 year old and having a 40 inch vertical.
Jordan was not that much of a higher jumper than Kobe. He had the advantage of being a great one footed leaper, which helped since he could jump from further out and maintain a greater amount of hang on his jumps.

[Kblaze8855]

Kobe is hovering a few inches below the rim in videos pointed to to show how high he jumps. At his height he has to get up 41 inches to be rim level. hes probably 35-37 up on the higher ones elite posted. Which is great by normal standards.

Talking Gerald green, James White, Vince carter, Steve Francis, and types like that?

Kobe isnt on that jump out the gym level.

Hes a great athlete. He just isnt in the discussion with the highest jumpers in the basketball.

[Kblaze8855]

Jordan's bigger hands don't mean he jumps higher

Cmon now...you are old enough to remember young Jordan.

[Heat1011]

Kobrick = best dunker?

Not even close son

[andgar923]

I believe this dunk by MJ was real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12G20lKKOI&feature=related

(ft line dunk in the opening)

This is an old MJ here.

Do people really wanna say that Kobe is close to prime (young) MJ in the vertical leap dept?

[eliteballer]

Cmon now...you are old enough to remember young Jordan.



This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRyG5bOOtY

Is not on another athletic level from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U


I believe this dunk by MJ was real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12G20lKKOI&feature=related

(ft line dunk in the opening)

This is an old MJ here.

Do people really wanna say that Kobe is close to prime (young) MJ in the vertical leap dept?

It's not real, because Jordan himself said in 96 he couldnt jump from the FT line anymore:facepalm

[Ketchup]

I believe this dunk by MJ was real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12G20lKKOI&feature=related

(ft line dunk in the opening)

This is an old MJ here.

Do people really wanna say that Kobe is close to prime (young) MJ in the vertical leap dept?

Are you seriously that deluded that you can't see that is a computer manipulated video? Seriously. He's not even on that actual court... :oldlol:

Furthermore, you're insinuating that he can free throw line dunk from a run up just at half court. Jordan couldn't do that when he was 21, let alone old Jordan.

I'm gonna say Kobe had a max 39 inch vertical, and Jordan had about a 42.5 inch vertical tops. That's significant. That's essentially 0.1m. A big difference.
Jordan sure as hell didn't come close to 48 inches. Ever.

[jjayfive]

i've always felt kobe had decent to good vert.. he's not elite.. however, he was very good at breaking down his defender and getting open for the dunk.. he's in game dunks were better than his vertical would imply..

[swi7ch]

how can you not say vince carter? :facepalm:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm:face palm:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm

[macpierce]

im not sure what you guys qualify as elite vertical, I mean if youre gonna say anyone who jumps over 40 inches is "elite" then there are only maybe 5 dudes you would even mention

Kobe does, I mean did jump very high when he was younger, most of you guys have selective amnesia

[LT Ice Cream]

Yes, we can all agree that 38" vertical (but almost definitely higher than that) is a low vertical :rolleyes:

[ukplayer4]

kobe was a great in game dunker, regardless of his vert.


that said, the idea he or anyone else in the history of the game is even near vinces level is laughable, just:roll:

in 1000 years time when a 7.5 400llb lebron with a 70 inch verticle is doing 1080's 3times between the legs on big men those dunks still wont be as awesome as vince carters dunks. vince just took the beauty of dunking to higher levels than it had ever been before. he also took the creativity of it another step and his finishes on people were the best ever. its not even a debatable imo vince was in a league of his own.

[Ballin']

kobe was a great in game dunker, regardless of his vert.


that said, the idea he or anyone else in the history of the game is even near vinces level is laughable, just:roll:

in 1000 years time when a 7.5 400llb lebron with a 70 inch verticle is doing 1080's 3times between the legs on big men those dunks still wont be as awesome as vince carters dunks. vince just took the beauty of dunking to higher levels than it had ever been before. he also took the creativity of it another step and his finishes on people were the best ever. its not even a debatable imo vince was in a league of his own.

Ahem....Dominique....:eek:

[Rake2204]

I thought of my example (a good dunker without much in the way of relative hops): Paul Pierce. Many times, particularly in the last few years, I'd see him attack and thought there was no chance he was going to be high enough to flush but he would, often with great authority.

[eliteballer]

Kobe was 17 years old when he was drafted.

If his vertical then was indeed measured at 38-39 inches at that point there's NO DOUBT it increased to 40+ later on.

[andgar923]

Are you seriously that deluded that you can't see that is a computer manipulated video? Seriously. He's not even on that actual court... :oldlol:

Furthermore, you're insinuating that he can free throw line dunk from a run up just at half court. Jordan couldn't do that when he was 21, let alone old Jordan.

I'm gonna say Kobe had a max 39 inch vertical, and Jordan had about a 42.5 inch vertical tops. That's significant. That's essentially 0.1m. A big difference.
Jordan sure as hell didn't come close to 48 inches. Ever.

I mentioned "I believe" because unless I'm completely mistaken, I didn't think that dunk was real either but somebody posted the making of that dunk. Cameras were added all around him to capture it the way it is.

I forgot who posted the vid but I didn't believe it either.